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Online paul_e

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #825 on: August 06, 2017, 04:03:40 PM »
remember the 4th innings average here is one of the lowest around (it's about 160-170) because there's usually a lot going on.  SA will already be looking at the scoreboard with some concern, add another 30-40 and I genuinely think they'll shift to looking at the weather reports instead and hoping they can just last it out.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #826 on: August 06, 2017, 05:08:47 PM »
Jennings and Malan gone cheaply again.  The pitch doesn't look great for the left handers though, seems to have cut up pretty badly.

Mo seems to be enjoying it tho :-)

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #827 on: August 06, 2017, 05:17:14 PM »
Mo is such an important player for us.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #828 on: August 06, 2017, 05:19:19 PM »
Manchester sunshine strikes again!

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #829 on: August 06, 2017, 05:39:27 PM »
Jennings and Malan gone cheaply again.  The pitch doesn't look great for the left handers though, seems to have cut up pretty badly.

Mo seems to be enjoying it tho :-)

He just played it like a t20, he knew we had enough on the board to be on top and decided he might as well have a swing.  As Holding said earlier if the ball is playing up off the pitch you just don't let it bounce, you might not stick around for long but a better than a run a ball 60-70 is far more useful for everyone than a hard fought 23.  Root and Stokes earned him the chance to do it by grafting through to a lead we'd have been happy to defend and he's made the most of it.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #830 on: August 06, 2017, 06:35:24 PM »
Mo is such an important player for us.

This test has again shown the advantage of having Bairstow and him at 7 and 8 respectively.  Both could bat higher, but just when the opposition think they have a glimmer of hope, those two have come in and put us back in control.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #831 on: August 06, 2017, 07:53:44 PM »
I must confess I have always had doubts about Moeen making it at highest level however these are some interesting snippets from BBC:
*Moeen Ali is only the second England Test player to score more than 200 runs and take 20 wickets in a four-match series
*Sir Ian Botham was the only other player to achieve that feat - against India in 1979
The last England player to score more than 200 runs and take 20 wickets in a series was Andrew *Flintoff in the 2005 Ashes (over five Tests)

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #832 on: August 07, 2017, 10:41:39 AM »
I must confess I have always had doubts about Moeen making it at highest level however these are some interesting snippets from BBC:
*Moeen Ali is only the second England Test player to score more than 200 runs and take 20 wickets in a four-match series
*Sir Ian Botham was the only other player to achieve that feat - against India in 1979
The last England player to score more than 200 runs and take 20 wickets in a series was Andrew *Flintoff in the 2005 Ashes (over five Tests)

I think he's a cracking player. His only downside at least in terms of batting is his ability to get out due to poor shot selection but that's a result of his attacking instincts I guess.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #833 on: August 07, 2017, 10:43:33 AM »
Mo is such an important player for us.

This test has again shown the advantage of having Bairstow and him at 7 and 8 respectively.  Both could bat higher, but just when the opposition think they have a glimmer of hope, those two have come in and put us back in control.

Indeed. It's just a shame that it seems that we always need them to bail the team out recently, rather that coming in with the score at 400 and quickly batting the opposition out of contention.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #834 on: August 07, 2017, 11:10:10 AM »
Broad has gone early for 5. Bowled by Morkel.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #835 on: August 07, 2017, 11:16:54 AM »
England all out for 243, a healthy lead of 379. Moeen 75 not out.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #836 on: August 07, 2017, 11:48:21 AM »
Mo is such an important player for us.

This test has again shown the advantage of having Bairstow and him at 7 and 8 respectively.  Both could bat higher, but just when the opposition think they have a glimmer of hope, those two have come in and put us back in control.

Indeed. It's just a shame that it seems that we always need them to bail the team out recently, rather that coming in with the score at 400 and quickly batting the opposition out of contention.

They have both played some very important knocks over the past few years batting lower down the order.  I saw something over the weekend that Ali averages nearly 70 batting at number 8.  One of the negatives though is you run the risk of them being left stranded by the tail, like Ali was today. 

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #837 on: August 07, 2017, 12:15:36 PM »
Graeme Swann has just said on TMS:

"If you took a Jonathan Trott from five years ago and put him in now, this England team would be unbelievable".

Agree with him, but I think you would also have to add a peak form Strauss and Bell at opener and five respectively to reach the kind of levels he is talking about.  6-11 is probably as good as we have been for some time.   

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #838 on: August 07, 2017, 12:32:26 PM »
Interesting discussion during the rain delay regarding playing Hales at five

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #839 on: August 07, 2017, 12:45:39 PM »
Interesting discussion during the rain delay regarding playing Hales at five

A role he's currently playing for Notts, and scoring 74 not out at a run a ball.