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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #780 on: August 01, 2017, 11:22:45 AM »
Any changes for the next test?  The only real consideration for me would be Jennings dropping out for Stoneman, but the runs in the second innings might have earned Jennings a reprieve.   

I'd stick with Jennings for this test.  See if a decent knock (albeit one he was a bit lucky in) and a very good team win has given him confidence.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #781 on: August 01, 2017, 11:35:56 AM »
Any changes for the next test?  The only real consideration for me would be Jennings dropping out for Stoneman, but the runs in the second innings might have earned Jennings a reprieve.   

I'd stick with Jennings for this test.  See if a decent knock (albeit one he was a bit lucky in) and a very good team win has given him confidence.

I agree, sometimes a lucky knock is what a player really needs to get them going.

Of the other newcomers in the top order I'd stick with Westley.  He has a technical flaw where he doesn't bring the bat down straight to ones around 5th stump but you could see from the first innings to the 2nd that he'd attempted to address it.  Having bad habits from the county game where bowlers aren't consistently good enough to exploit them is common, being able to see those habits and address them quickly and effectively is what makes a test player.  I like him.

Malan is a bigger concern, I'd keep him in but he needs to either change his backlift to be a little wider to give himself room to come across his legs or he needs to open up his stance, neither of those are quick fixes.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #782 on: August 01, 2017, 01:59:33 PM »
Any changes for the next test?  The only real consideration for me would be Jennings dropping out for Stoneman, but the runs in the second innings might have earned Jennings a reprieve.   

Unless the selectors take into account Jennings being dropped very early on.


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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #783 on: August 01, 2017, 04:21:50 PM »
Any changes for the next test?  The only real consideration for me would be Jennings dropping out for Stoneman, but the runs in the second innings might have earned Jennings a reprieve.   

I'd stick with Jennings for this test.  See if a decent knock (albeit one he was a bit lucky in) and a very good team win has given him confidence.

I'd go with that Risso.  Nasser Hussain made the point the other day though that from the end of this series, any selection in the West Indies Series should be made with Australia in mind.  He was saying that if it is felt that certain players are going to struggle on the pitches down there and against their attack, there is no real point in having them gaining false currency against a weak West Indies attack.   

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #784 on: August 01, 2017, 10:30:26 PM »
Any changes for the next test?  The only real consideration for me would be Jennings dropping out for Stoneman, but the runs in the second innings might have earned Jennings a reprieve.   

I'd stick with Jennings for this test.  See if a decent knock (albeit one he was a bit lucky in) and a very good team win has given him confidence.

I'd go with that Risso.  Nasser Hussain made the point the other day though that from the end of this series, any selection in the West Indies Series should be made with Australia in mind.  He was saying that if it is felt that certain players are going to struggle on the pitches down there and against their attack, there is no real point in having them gaining false currency against a weak West Indies attack.   

I agree with Nasser, he talks a lot of sense.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #785 on: August 02, 2017, 12:18:48 AM »
Five tests against the Aussies is standard, that should never be tampered with. But against the other nations, three is quite enough.
Why?

Three tests will usually give you a better chance of winner takes all, so I'd prefer to see a result.

Onto the specifics of this series: As far as this England side is concerned, they are more than capable of losing the next test by an innings +

4 tests against South Africa is too much.  And whoever signed off on five tests away to India needs shooting.  A 2-0 or even a 3-0 defeat down there would be about par usually (which is why the 2012/13 result was so outstanding). But a 4-0 drubbing following on so soon from the Bangladesh series benefits no one except the BCCI.
Hmmm yes but commercialism dictates. ECB make money out of "auctioning" Tests to Counties. Their budget is based on maximum number of Tests being "sold" every season. It's no longer about competition and as you rightly said it should be winner takes all. 5 Tests in India is all about TV money as nearly no one turns up to watch Test match cricket in India.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #786 on: August 02, 2017, 08:42:43 AM »
I like five test series. Realistically, we are only going to be playing two tests in series against Ireland and Afghanistan so that opens up the possibility of playing five test series against whoever else is touring in that given summer, same as we always play two against Bangladesh and five against the Aussies. South Africa and India seem the most viable candidates. I'd reduce the Windies to a two test series. If they can't be arsed with test cricket, I don't see why we should be arsed with them.
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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #787 on: August 04, 2017, 09:47:19 AM »
Philander and Morris are out for the Saffers so they're playing 7 batsmen.

Jimmy and Co will be licking their lips in anticipation!

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #788 on: August 04, 2017, 09:54:30 AM »
"...Anderson bowling from the Anderson End"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/40823606

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #789 on: August 04, 2017, 10:34:59 AM »
We won the toss and are batting.

That's a good toss to win. Going by some of the reports that I've read, the weather in Manchester has been poor for the last week or so and the pitch has been covered. It will probably be a little under prepared so batting 4th on the pitch will be difficult.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #790 on: August 04, 2017, 11:06:42 AM »
That was a good first over from Morkel. Thakfully he was bowling to Cook because I don't think Jennings would have survived it!

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #791 on: August 04, 2017, 11:07:47 AM »
Jennings could have been out. Great effort by Rabada but he couldn't hang on to the C&B

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #792 on: August 04, 2017, 11:33:22 AM »
We won the toss and are batting.

That's a good toss to win. Going by some of the reports that I've read, the weather in Manchester has been poor for the last week or so and the pitch has been covered. It will probably be a little under prepared so batting 4th on the pitch will be difficult.

Yep.  If we can get a good first innings score here, the South Africans will really be under pressure. 

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #793 on: August 04, 2017, 11:53:55 AM »
Once again Jennings fails. He really doen't do himself any favours! There just didn't seem to be any conviction in that shot, he was half forward and suffered as a result.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #794 on: August 04, 2017, 01:09:59 PM »
Jennings aside, a pretty decent start.