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Offline paul_e

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #495 on: June 30, 2017, 12:57:28 PM »
Tom Curran looks twice the bowler of his younger brother Sam from what I've seen of both so far, really can't see the fuss around Sam, think he'll turn in to a very average cricketer.

Yep, I can't understand the fuss over a 19 year old with nearly 150 wickets across all forms either, it's especially weird given he's a leftie.

Stats don't always tell the full story. He's burst on the scene, and people are excited due to his age. But having watched him a few times I don't think he has enough about him to kick on, and will still be a decent county player in a couple of years, but nothing more.

but you said you don't see what the fuss is about.  The fuss is all about the stats, that was my point.  I've not watched him much but he looks like he has a habit of taking wickets from nothing, if he can carry that forward and add a bit of speed I think he'll be very good.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #496 on: June 30, 2017, 01:06:37 PM »
Tom Curran looks twice the bowler of his younger brother Sam from what I've seen of both so far, really can't see the fuss around Sam, think he'll turn in to a very average cricketer.

Yep, I can't understand the fuss over a 19 year old with nearly 150 wickets across all forms either, it's especially weird given he's a leftie.

Stats don't always tell the full story. He's burst on the scene, and people are excited due to his age. But having watched him a few times I don't think he has enough about him to kick on, and will still be a decent county player in a couple of years, but nothing more.

but you said you don't see what the fuss is about.  The fuss is all about the stats, that was my point.  I've not watched him much but he looks like he has a habit of taking wickets from nothing, if he can carry that forward and add a bit of speed I think he'll be very good.

I think a lot of people hype players up based on what they see though too. People get excited when they see a player who can do something out of the ordinary, like a bowler who can bowl 90mph+, having stats which back up what they see helps. If we were going solely on stats, Will Gidman would be the first pick for England's test side.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #497 on: June 30, 2017, 01:23:01 PM »
Watch this one



He's still a kid so you won't get spells like that all the time but that's the bowling of someone worth keeping an eye on, especially given his age, and he's had 5-6 spells like that over the last 18 months.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #498 on: June 30, 2017, 01:39:19 PM »
Some great swinging deliveries in there. I do wonder how much he relies on the conditions, as I've seen him a couple of times in the flesh and several more on Sky in One-Day games and he's never bowled any spells like that. As he's 19 I won't write him off, but I'll stand my prediction that he'll turn in to a decent County player rather than an England one. The Jack Grealish of cricket for a cheeky comparison.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #499 on: June 30, 2017, 01:50:36 PM »
Red balls and white balls are very different, his white ball stats are far worse than his red ball ones.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #500 on: June 30, 2017, 02:15:40 PM »
Averages nearly 30 in red ball, just over 32 with the white. Unless you are referring to his 5-wicket hauls, when he's been able to bowl longer spells in the longer format?

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #501 on: June 30, 2017, 02:51:52 PM »
Averages nearly 30 in red ball, just over 32 with the white. Unless you are referring to his 5-wicket hauls, when he's been able to bowl longer spells in the longer format?

I was really because I was thinking about spells.  As I've said I don't think anyone expects a 19 year old to show the consistency of a full international so you have to look at how and when he's taken wickets.  His record and style are similar to Jimmy Anderson when he was breaking through for me, he's one of 2-3 that I think are genuinely exciting young bowlers so I was a bit surprised to see such a harsh post is all.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #502 on: June 30, 2017, 02:57:05 PM »
I'm certainly in the minority with this one Paul. I guess for England it would be good if I was proved wrong. The ones I really like the look of at the moment in that age group are his brother, and Tongue at Worcester. Think Brad Wheal has potential too but not showing it yet this season.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #503 on: June 30, 2017, 05:03:40 PM »
I think there's a few decent young bowlers about, Coad looks like a great prospect as well.  The thing is I think judging a player before they're about 22-23 is unfair because anyone less than a genuine world class player is going to have ups and downs before that and that's true for pretty much any sport.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #504 on: June 30, 2017, 05:24:21 PM »
Cricket coming home (we'll sort of, in a couple of years) - new TV deal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-4655026/England-cricket-coming-home-BBC-enough.html

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #505 on: July 01, 2017, 10:54:46 AM »
Hameed's form has cost him, I still think long term he'll be a star. This really has to be last chance saloon for Ballance. He had a great start to his Test career but he's consistently failed since.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #506 on: July 01, 2017, 11:03:41 AM »
Hameed's form has cost him, I still think long term he'll be a star. This really has to be last chance saloon for Ballance. He had a great start to his Test career but he's consistently failed since.

A lot of the talk is that Root really pushed for a Ballance recall.

In fairness he has been in awesome form and is averaging 98 this summer.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #507 on: July 01, 2017, 11:05:01 AM »
He has and I hope he does well, but if he fails again off the back of that form we need to move on.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #508 on: July 01, 2017, 11:14:00 AM »
I think the problem is more that Ballance was recalled last summer despite being in poor form at that time. He was always odds on to fail last summer.

Looks like he's going to bat at 3 which will be a real test against a good attack

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #509 on: July 01, 2017, 11:17:37 AM »
Liam Dawson is the staggering selection for me. In the longer form he adds sod all with the ball.