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Offline tomd2103

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #480 on: June 25, 2017, 07:10:12 PM »
It's beyond just these two T20s though, whenever he's played he's struggled. Hopefully he'll come good but thus far he's not performed.

For me he's had 3-4 good knocks across T20is and ODIs but his appearances seem to be 1 game in 3-4 so he's never settled into the side.

Anyway, good win for England, some great bowling after a brilliant 15-16 overs with the bat.

Yep, good win with an experimental side (SA also far from full strength it has to be noted).  Good to see young players given their chance.

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« Reply #481 on: June 25, 2017, 10:16:35 PM »
I think we now have a big squad of international quality players in all 3 formats just need to win some tournaments now and become the top ranked test side.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #482 on: June 25, 2017, 10:39:26 PM »
I think we now have a big squad of international quality players in all 3 formats just need to win some tournaments now and become the top ranked test side.

Still need to find a quality spinner for the test team

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« Reply #483 on: June 26, 2017, 08:18:59 AM »
I think we now have a big squad of international quality players in all 3 formats just need to win some tournaments now and become the top ranked test side.

Still need to find a quality spinner for the test team

Also think we need to get a settled top three sorted.  I'm not keen on Root at three, as he is our best player and it often exposes him to the new ball too soon.  The rest of the side (Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Woakes, Broad, Anderson) is fine. 

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« Reply #484 on: June 26, 2017, 01:26:12 PM »
Livingstone was a really strange pick for the T20 Internationals, and it showed. He's batted 26 times for Lancs and only passed 50 once in that format. If he is to get another England chance soon, it should be in a longer format.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #485 on: June 26, 2017, 02:32:10 PM »
I think with Livingstone it was down to liking something about him and wanting to see if the step up lifted him or weighed him down.  As it looked like the latter I suspect he'll get a year or 2 more at county level before they try again unless his county game shows a clear reaction to this.  The first game was poor but understandable but yesterday it was a truly horrific shot that would only be attempted by someone inexperienced and trying too hard to impress.

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« Reply #486 on: June 26, 2017, 03:33:23 PM »
I think with Livingstone it was down to liking something about him and wanting to see if the step up lifted him or weighed him down.  As it looked like the latter I suspect he'll get a year or 2 more at county level before they try again unless his county game shows a clear reaction to this.  The first game was poor but understandable but yesterday it was a truly horrific shot that would only be attempted by someone inexperienced and trying too hard to impress.

Bit harsh Paul as he came in at the end of the innings and pretty much had to go for it straight away.  It's tough to judge anyone on T20 to be honest due to the nature of the game.

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« Reply #487 on: June 26, 2017, 03:56:11 PM »
I think with Livingstone it was down to liking something about him and wanting to see if the step up lifted him or weighed him down.  As it looked like the latter I suspect he'll get a year or 2 more at county level before they try again unless his county game shows a clear reaction to this.  The first game was poor but understandable but yesterday it was a truly horrific shot that would only be attempted by someone inexperienced and trying too hard to impress.

Bit harsh Paul as he came in at the end of the innings and pretty much had to go for it straight away.  It's tough to judge anyone on T20 to be honest due to the nature of the game.

I agree had to go for it but to play a shot like he did is too risky for the first ball you face.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #488 on: June 26, 2017, 05:13:20 PM »
Curran impressed me.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #489 on: June 26, 2017, 06:25:51 PM »
Curran impressed me.

Curran and Crane both looked good for me, Malan was superb.  To reiterate I'm in no way writing off Livingstone, I just think he's been called up too soon.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #490 on: June 27, 2017, 11:56:10 AM »
I think with Livingstone it was down to liking something about him and wanting to see if the step up lifted him or weighed him down.  As it looked like the latter I suspect he'll get a year or 2 more at county level before they try again unless his county game shows a clear reaction to this.  The first game was poor but understandable but yesterday it was a truly horrific shot that would only be attempted by someone inexperienced and trying too hard to impress.

Bit harsh Paul as he came in at the end of the innings and pretty much had to go for it straight away.  It's tough to judge anyone on T20 to be honest due to the nature of the game.

I agree had to go for it but to play a shot like he did is too risky for the first ball you face.

Yes the shot was all too pre-meditated. Whereas if he'd stayed in his normal stance he'd have had a juicy full toss to which he could have just stood tall and whacked it for 4, or at worst got a single to get him off the mark.

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« Reply #491 on: June 29, 2017, 10:28:59 PM »
Curran impressed me.

Yep, seemed to have a bit of something about him as well which is always a good sign.  Another one though not quite in the 90mph plus bracket. 

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #492 on: June 30, 2017, 10:11:29 AM »
Tom Curran looks twice the bowler of his younger brother Sam from what I've seen of both so far, really can't see the fuss around Sam, think he'll turn in to a very average cricketer.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #493 on: June 30, 2017, 11:37:21 AM »
Tom Curran looks twice the bowler of his younger brother Sam from what I've seen of both so far, really can't see the fuss around Sam, think he'll turn in to a very average cricketer.

Yep, I can't understand the fuss over a 19 year old with nearly 150 wickets across all forms either, it's especially weird given he's a leftie.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #494 on: June 30, 2017, 11:53:53 AM »
Tom Curran looks twice the bowler of his younger brother Sam from what I've seen of both so far, really can't see the fuss around Sam, think he'll turn in to a very average cricketer.

Yep, I can't understand the fuss over a 19 year old with nearly 150 wickets across all forms either, it's especially weird given he's a leftie.

Stats don't always tell the full story. He's burst on the scene, and people are excited due to his age. But having watched him a few times I don't think he has enough about him to kick on, and will still be a decent county player in a couple of years, but nothing more.