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Offline PaulWinch again

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #270 on: May 27, 2017, 10:32:40 PM »
Stokes is so important for this side I'd rotate in next game.

I think so long as we have 2 out of Stokes, Moeen and Woakes we're in a good position because they all 'bring it' in all aspects of the game.

Woakes and Ali are very important, but Stokes is arguably the best all rounder in the world. We're a very different side without him.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #271 on: May 27, 2017, 10:41:30 PM »
Stokes is so important for this side I'd rotate in next game.

I think so long as we have 2 out of Stokes, Moeen and Woakes we're in a good position because they all 'bring it' in all aspects of the game.

Woakes and Ali are very important, but Stokes is arguably the best all rounder in the world. We're a very different side without him.

I still don't think He's a good enough bowler to deserve that title.  I think the gap between him and Woakes is very small with Stokes as the batting all rounder and Woakes as the bowling all rounder.  Ali is a tough one because with both bat and ball he can be very inconsistent, at his best he's world class with both but he seems to lack something to take the final step to genuine greatness, he's still a seriously important player for England though.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #272 on: May 27, 2017, 11:03:54 PM »
I like Woakes and think he's made himself a really important player, but Stokes has more of that intangible x-factor and has more potential for growth. When he's not playing for England they lose a huge amount of balance.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #273 on: May 28, 2017, 01:00:01 AM »
Stokes is so important for this side I'd rotate in next game.

I think so long as we have 2 out of Stokes, Moeen and Woakes we're in a good position because they all 'bring it' in all aspects of the game.

Woakes and Ali are very important, but Stokes is arguably the best all rounder in the world. We're a very different side without him.

Agree, as having Stokes out upsets the whole balance of the side.  Woakes out just means moving Rashid to 8, Plunkett to 9 and bringing in an extra bowler.  Similarly, no Ali could mean playing an extra batsman at seven and using Root as a second spin option or moving Woakes to seven, the others up one place and bringing in another spinner.  The team probably wouldn't be a strong if either of those two were absent but the make up of the balance of the side wouldn't be too impacted.   Losing Stokes would completely unbalance the side. 

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #274 on: May 28, 2017, 08:03:26 AM »
Stokes is so important for this side I'd rotate in next game.

I think so long as we have 2 out of Stokes, Moeen and Woakes we're in a good position because they all 'bring it' in all aspects of the game.

Woakes and Ali are very important, but Stokes is arguably the best all rounder in the world. We're a very different side without him.

Agree, as having Stokes out upsets the whole balance of the side.  Woakes out just means moving Rashid to 8, Plunkett to 9 and bringing in an extra bowler.  Similarly, no Ali could mean playing an extra batsman at seven and using Root as a second spin option or moving Woakes to seven, the others up one place and bringing in another spinner.  The team probably wouldn't be a strong if either of those two were absent but the make up of the balance of the side wouldn't be too impacted.   Losing Stokes would completely unbalance the side. 

I thought we missed Woakes yesterday. He is an economical bowler at this level and he applies control and bowls wicket taking balls not just in the power plays but also during the rest of his spell. For me, he has become the perfect one day bowler; economy, wickets and control.

The Saffers must be kicking themselves, the game was there for the taking and they threw it away. For a side with so many class players they do seem to struggle to finish games off.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #275 on: May 28, 2017, 08:44:33 AM »
We definitely missed Woakes as he's made himself a key player in the side, likewise I think Ali is a key player too. But I think if I were to say who is the most important player to the side it'd be Stokes for me.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #276 on: May 28, 2017, 08:53:03 AM »
We definitely missed Woakes as he's made himself a key player in the side, likewise I think Ali is a key player too. But I think if I were to say who is the most important player to the side it'd be Stokes for me.

Reports this morning that he's having a scan on his knee. Now that might be precautionary but it doesn't bode well for the Champions Trophy.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #277 on: May 28, 2017, 06:13:09 PM »
Ali, Stokes and Woakes have been rested ahead of tomorrow's ODI with Stephen Finn, Liam Dawson and Toby Roland-Jones called up as replacements.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #278 on: May 29, 2017, 01:29:49 AM »
We definitely missed Woakes as he's made himself a key player in the side, likewise I think Ali is a key player too. But I think if I were to say who is the most important player to the side it'd be Stokes for me.

Agree.  Woakes and Ali are better than any of the replacements out there, bug replacing them doesn't alter the balance of the side too much.  Replacing Stokes definitely would.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #279 on: May 29, 2017, 10:43:40 AM »
The Saffers have one the toss and we are batting.

Wood, Plunkett, Stokes and Ali are rested/injured and Bairstow, Willey, Finn and Roland-Jones play.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #280 on: May 29, 2017, 11:23:20 AM »
A good toss for SA to win, England 15-4 off 4.1 overs.

Hales played a very poor shot, a waft outside off stump but the other three were good balls on a cloudy morning when batting at Lords can be difficult.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #281 on: May 29, 2017, 11:27:04 AM »
20-5........

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #282 on: May 29, 2017, 11:31:17 AM »
20-6.........car crash cricket and Rabada on a hat trick.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #283 on: May 29, 2017, 11:33:53 AM »
At this rate they could play two games today.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #284 on: May 29, 2017, 01:02:28 PM »
Bairstow and TRJ leading a fight back

Clean forgot about the game. I could have listened driving back from London today