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Offline paul_e

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #105 on: February 04, 2017, 01:56:18 PM »
There is currently time being lost in the SA vs SL ODI because of bees.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #106 on: February 04, 2017, 03:55:33 PM »
The fuckers demonstrating about the price of honey again?

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #107 on: February 06, 2017, 09:38:01 AM »
Alastair Cook is standing down as captain.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #108 on: February 06, 2017, 12:36:36 PM »
No shock, I expected him to announce that a month ago.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #109 on: February 06, 2017, 01:04:32 PM »
Hope he can continue for a few years as a player.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #110 on: February 06, 2017, 02:10:43 PM »
Hope he can continue for a few years as a player.

I think that's what the decision is about and I hope he's opening the batting for us to great effect for a few more years and without going in after a long day in the field with his head clearly not in the right place.  Openng batsmen don't last as captain for all that long because combining the 2 jobs is mentally exhausting and Cook looked like he needed a break in the India tour.  Keep him involved and working with Jennings, Hameed, Duckett and Billings and lets get a top 3 ready as the next generation.

I suspect Root is the obvious choice for the next captain and I think he'll be really good for it.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #111 on: February 06, 2017, 02:44:59 PM »
Hope he can continue for a few years as a player.

Openng batsmen don't last as captain for all that long because combining the 2 jobs is mentally exhausting and Cook looked like he needed a break in the India tour.

Alastair Cook 59 matches as captain
Andrew Strauss 50 matches as captain
Michael Atherton 54 matches as cpatain
Graham Gooch 34 matches as captain

All openers and 4 of England's top 6 longest serving captain's.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #112 on: February 06, 2017, 03:28:28 PM »
Hope he can continue for a few years as a player.

Openng batsmen don't last as captain for all that long because combining the 2 jobs is mentally exhausting and Cook looked like he needed a break in the India tour.

Alastair Cook 59 matches as captain
Andrew Strauss 50 matches as captain
Michael Atherton 54 matches as cpatain
Graham Gooch 34 matches as captain

All openers and 4 of England's top 6 longest serving captain's.

Indeed, and now look at their batting averages from before they got the role and series on series as captain, they all have a clear downward trajectory.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #113 on: February 06, 2017, 07:52:20 PM »
Hope he can continue for a few years as a player.

Openng batsmen don't last as captain for all that long because combining the 2 jobs is mentally exhausting and Cook looked like he needed a break in the India tour.

Alastair Cook 59 matches as captain
Andrew Strauss 50 matches as captain
Michael Atherton 54 matches as cpatain
Graham Gooch 34 matches as captain

All openers and 4 of England's top 6 longest serving captain's.

Indeed, and now look at their batting averages from before they got the role and series on series as captain, they all have a clear downward trajectory.
Which is not what you said. Opening batsman actuallg seem to last longer than any other player as captain. Yes, their averages might have a clear downward trajectory but I'd suggest most captains of most countries have the same regardless of their batting position.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #114 on: February 06, 2017, 08:09:45 PM »
Player         Tests (as captain) Average as captain Average not as captain         
    David Gower         117 (32)             43.59                44.50
    Mike Gatting         79 (23)             44.05                32.21
    Graham Gooch        118 (34)             58.72                35.93 
    Alec Stewart        133 (15)             39.22                39.59
    Mike Atherton       115 (54)             40.58                35.25
    Nasser Hussain       96 (45)             36.04                38.10
    Michael Vaughan      82 (51)             36.02                50.98
    Andrew Flintoff      79 (11)             33.23                31.53
    Andrew Strauss      100 (50)             40.76                41.04 
   

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #115 on: February 06, 2017, 08:22:08 PM »
I also note the three longest serving test match captains are Graeme Smith, Allan Border and Stephen Fleming.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #116 on: February 06, 2017, 08:47:36 PM »
the overall averages aren't so helpful because they're usually made captain because they're one of the best players so that form plays a part, it's the last 2-3 series before they step down/get sacked where they always seem to be under far too much pressure.

It might not be so clear in the stats but it's the impression I've always had.

Anyway, regardless of that I think it's right decision for Cook and I think it may prove to be the right decision for England as well.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #117 on: February 06, 2017, 09:24:01 PM »
I agree that Cook stepping down as captain is the right thing to do at this time.

I hope he stays on for another few years yet, regaining near to the Ashes form of 2010/11.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #118 on: February 07, 2017, 08:21:55 AM »
How do you view Cook's captaincy?

I thought that he started slowly and was too conservative. He grew into the job but never really lost the conservatism. I also thought he was a little tactically naive.

That said two Ashes wins and a series win last year in South Africa stand out. I also admire that way he stuck at it after the last Ashes series down under when things were chaotic.

He's not my favourite England captain. That honour go the Michael Vaughan due to the wonderful memories of 2005. It's such a pity that he's apparently an odious twat. I liked Strauss too. Those two were supreme tacticians.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #119 on: February 07, 2017, 10:07:02 AM »
I think Cook did a lot of things right and there are definitely more positives than negatives from his time but he had a tendency to let games drift by defaulting to a defensive field and getting bowlers to concentrate on keeping the rate down rather than taking wickets if the pitch got flat.  On top of that I think there's only been 4-5 bowlers that he's ever really trusted and his tactics in a lot of games were about how to get those bowlers the chances to take wickets rather than how can I use my entire attack to bowl this team out.  The lack of any real strategy for the 30-60 over period is what has help him back, I think having Broad and Anderson made him a bit lazy in that regard because for huge parts of the day he knew he could throw the ball to them and they'd just make stuff happen and he didn't really need to force anything.