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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #750 on: July 30, 2017, 03:40:14 PM »
Maybe Root has arthritis and can't do the declaration signal? That's the only reason to still be batting.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #751 on: July 30, 2017, 03:42:18 PM »
I think they've decided to bat until tea now.  I'm not that upset, I think staying in for 120+ overs on this pitch will be tough.  The target is, in my opinion, already too big to be chased down, it would be one of the greatest 4th innings of all time and this SA team don't have a good enough batting line-up to do that.

Surely not as tough as staying in for 130 overs? We should have been having a go before tea then another straight after. Effectively two new attacks at the openers.

I agree and if we'd had a better test record in the last year I'd be with you but with this much time in the game and the forecasts on our side I don't think it's giving them a huge chance by batting out a little longer.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #752 on: July 30, 2017, 05:30:10 PM »
Chipping away nicely here.  Why do they get so tight on no-balls though!!

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #753 on: July 30, 2017, 05:39:45 PM »
Stokes is in the zone.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #754 on: July 31, 2017, 11:37:22 AM »
Hopefully we'll make quick work of finishing the South Africans off today.  I watched quite a bit of the test over the weekend and something struck me about Westley and Malan.  It was highlighted that both players  have pretty major deficiencies in their technique and this was pointed out in the analysis.  Neither are young players, so surely it is a damning indictment of the county system that players can prosper at that level despite having such flaws.  Surely by the time they reach international level, flaws such as Malan's backlift making him very susceptible to inswingers should have been ironed out or recognised as a reason not to be selected? 

One of the main reasons identified by the SKY commentators was the weakness and lack of pace in bowling attacks in the County Championship.  Maybe time for a rethink of the system?

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #755 on: July 31, 2017, 11:59:57 AM »
Hopefully we'll make quick work of finishing the South Africans off today.  I watched quite a bit of the test over the weekend and something struck me about Westley and Malan.  It was highlighted that both players  have pretty major deficiencies in their technique and this was pointed out in the analysis.  Neither are young players, so surely it is a damning indictment of the county system that players can prosper at that level despite having such flaws.  Surely by the time they reach international level, flaws such as Malan's backlift making him very susceptible to inswingers should have been ironed out or recognised as a reason not to be selected? 

One of the main reasons identified by the SKY commentators was the weakness and lack of pace in bowling attacks in the County Championship.  Maybe time for a rethink of the system?

The gulf between the county game and test cricket is wider than ever. Some players like Cook and Root make the step up effortlessly whereas others struggle. I like the look of Westley, I think he has the makings of a solid test batsman. Malan is in the "also rans" for me. Too good for county cricket but not quite good enough for test cricket.

We've lost alot of experience from our batting over the last few seasons. Strauss, Trott, Bell, Pietersen etc and they've not been replaced. Arguably only Root is an improvement on what went before.

How would you improve the county game Tom?

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #756 on: July 31, 2017, 12:00:53 PM »
So close to a hat trick for Roland-Jones.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #757 on: July 31, 2017, 12:24:51 PM »
Hopefully we'll make quick work of finishing the South Africans off today.  I watched quite a bit of the test over the weekend and something struck me about Westley and Malan.  It was highlighted that both players  have pretty major deficiencies in their technique and this was pointed out in the analysis.  Neither are young players, so surely it is a damning indictment of the county system that players can prosper at that level despite having such flaws.  Surely by the time they reach international level, flaws such as Malan's backlift making him very susceptible to inswingers should have been ironed out or recognised as a reason not to be selected? 

One of the main reasons identified by the SKY commentators was the weakness and lack of pace in bowling attacks in the County Championship.  Maybe time for a rethink of the system?

The gulf between the county game and test cricket is wider than ever. Some players like Cook and Root make the step up effortlessly whereas others struggle. I like the look of Westley, I think he has the makings of a solid test batsman. Malan is in the "also rans" for me. Too good for county cricket but not quite good enough for test cricket.

We've lost alot of experience from our batting over the last few seasons. Strauss, Trott, Bell, Pietersen etc and they've not been replaced. Arguably only Root is an improvement on what went before.

How would you improve the county game Tom?

Some good points and to be fair we went through a run where a number players came in and immediately adapted to test cricket.  Others were a bit younger and took some time, but Malan and Westley are hardly young and seem to have pretty obvious flaws.

I guess the question is around whether the current County Championship system is fit for purpose when it comes to producing players for international cricket.  Maybe we keep the County Championship, but add a smaller competition as a tier above that involving some regional teams made up of the best county players.  You could have six teams - North (Durham, Yorkshire, Lancashire), Central (Warwickshire, Worcestershire and Northants), East (Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire), South East (Essex, Middlesex, Surrey), South (Kent, Hampshire, Sussex) and West (Gloucestershire, Somerset, Glamorgan).  In all honesty, the County Championship is not a prestige competition these days, so you could perhaps reduce the number of games there to fit the five extra games in.       

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #758 on: July 31, 2017, 12:44:26 PM »
I don't think that the counties will vote for that kind of revolution. There was enough resistance from certain counties to the new T20 format so I can't see them going for a similar set up in red ball domestic cricket.

For me the game is poorer for the lack of established International cricketers playing for a county. At one time every county except Yorkshire had a couple of overseas test players. County players were testing themselves against quality players. Now the best players chase the T20 dollar all over the world.

I think that an enhanced Lions system would be a better choice. Invest in the coaching of the next generation and they should be better equipped to make the step up. The talent is there but we need to develop it better.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #759 on: July 31, 2017, 12:50:42 PM »
Amount of kolpac players isn't going to help the development of any young players. Last couple of years Yorkshire used the hit and run to give young players some playing time but they seem to have abandoned that idea this season apart from the odd match. Heard Ashley Giles on TMS a while ago saying how the academy at Warwickshire wasn't producing players so they were having to scout for players from other counties who weren't getting a game in the first team.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #760 on: July 31, 2017, 12:58:58 PM »
I don't think that the counties will vote for that kind of revolution. There was enough resistance from certain counties to the new T20 format so I can't see them going for a similar set up in red ball domestic cricket.

For me the game is poorer for the lack of established International cricketers playing for a county. At one time every county except Yorkshire had a couple of overseas test players. County players were testing themselves against quality players. Now the best players chase the T20 dollar all over the world.

I think that an enhanced Lions system would be a better choice. Invest in the coaching of the next generation and they should be better equipped to make the step up. The talent is there but we need to develop it better.

It wouldn't be like the T20 situation as the County Championship would still exist.  All it would be doing is adding a layer on top of the existing structure.

Agree about the lack of internationals in the county system being a problem and I think part of that is probably down to the fragmented nature of the season and that most international players are now only really chasing the T20 big bucks. 

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #761 on: July 31, 2017, 01:22:41 PM »
Great wind up of Geoffrey this morning by Aggers and Andrew Samson

https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/892006915064115201

Although listen to the full version if you can
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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #762 on: July 31, 2017, 02:27:11 PM »
Mo with a hat trick to finish the game

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #763 on: July 31, 2017, 02:30:49 PM »
Mo with a hat trick to finish the game

Bloody marvellous!

No doubt he will be back to being 3rd choice spinner in the next test!

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #764 on: July 31, 2017, 02:48:18 PM »
   
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South Africa's innings today was the first in Test cricket to include four 1st ball ducks