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Author Topic: The Cricket Thread 2017  (Read 105150 times)

Offline OzVilla

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1290 on: November 19, 2017, 04:34:28 AM »
There's a lot to like about Woakes, he's a Villa fan, plays for the Bears and is a very handy cricketer. But he's not a match winner like Ben Stokes is and he doesn't have the aura and the match winning spells that Stuart Broad does.

Imho, if Stokes and Mark Wood had been available Woakes doesn't make the starting eleven.

Hope I'm proved wrong ofcourse.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1291 on: November 19, 2017, 07:14:41 AM »
There's a lot to like about Woakes, he's a Villa fan, plays for the Bears and is a very handy cricketer. But he's not a match winner like Ben Stokes is and he doesn't have the aura and the match winning spells that Stuart Broad does.

Imho, if Stokes and Mark Wood had been available Woakes doesn't make the starting eleven.

Hope I'm proved wrong ofcourse.

I think you probably are wrong. Before his injury he was a regular plus he is much handier with the bat than Wood.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1292 on: November 19, 2017, 10:17:56 AM »
In the 12 months before his injury Woakes was easily our best fast bowler and one of the best in the world. He's an important part of the attack and lower middle order.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1293 on: November 19, 2017, 02:08:19 PM »
Woakes has a better strike rate, better economy and better average than Stokes or Wood and, after 18 tests, he's already bowled a few of those spells you're saying he's incapable of.  He's not got the aggression of Stokes but he's every bit as important to our team.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1294 on: November 19, 2017, 05:54:07 PM »
My selection for Brisbane:
http://bbc.in/2zjE7WT
Cook
Stoneman
Malan
Root
Vince
Moeen
Bairstow
Woakes
Anderson
Broad
Curran
« Last Edit: November 19, 2017, 05:58:27 PM by olaftab »

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1295 on: November 19, 2017, 08:29:10 PM »
Woakes has a better strike rate, better economy and better average than Stokes or Wood and, after 18 tests, he's already bowled a few of those spells you're saying he's incapable of.  He's not got the aggression of Stokes but he's every bit as important to our team.

I like Woakes and he's become really important but Stokes is a more vital balancing part of the side. He's probably the best all rounder in the world. That is not diminishing Woakes importance as a player, but Stokes is talismanic.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1296 on: November 19, 2017, 08:35:41 PM »
And my point with Wood is about pace. This is the area where we'll fall short. Previous records against the like of Pakistan means nothing when your playing at the Gabba which has more pace ans bounce than anywhere else. Horses for courses and all that. If they were available both Stokes and Wood would be playing IMO.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1297 on: November 19, 2017, 08:42:30 PM »
I'd have Woakes in front of Wood, but I'd have Wood in front of Ball or Overton.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1298 on: November 19, 2017, 08:45:44 PM »
Cook
Stoneman
Vince
Root
Malan
Bairstow
Moeen
Woakes
Anderson
Broad
Crane

This would be my team........My choice of picking Crane is that both Overton/Ball have failed to impress in the warm up games and everytime Crane has played he has got wickets and the 4th choice seamer would only bowl about 10/15 overs in a day   

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1299 on: November 19, 2017, 09:02:31 PM »
I wouldn't play a second spinner unless it was an absolute dust bowl and even then I'm not sure I would.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1300 on: November 19, 2017, 09:57:44 PM »
I personally think a fourth seamer is going to be necessary in Australia and another spinner a luxury.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1301 on: November 19, 2017, 10:27:15 PM »
Not long now.  Donít think it will be 5.0.  I sense a team up for it.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1302 on: November 20, 2017, 12:57:09 AM »
Woakes has a better strike rate, better economy and better average than Stokes or Wood and, after 18 tests, he's already bowled a few of those spells you're saying he's incapable of.  He's not got the aggression of Stokes but he's every bit as important to our team.

Yep, Woakes is a starter in the side, especially as his batting is strong.  I can see the reasoning to include Wood on Australian pitches, but I think he would be competing against abroad and Anderson for a spot. 

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1303 on: November 20, 2017, 01:02:17 AM »
Cook
Stoneman
Vince
Root
Malan
Bairstow
Moeen
Woakes
Anderson
Broad
Crane

This would be my team........My choice of picking Crane is that both Overton/Ball have failed to impress in the warm up games and everytime Crane has played he has got wickets and the 4th choice seamer would only bowl about 10/15 overs in a day

Anderson at nine means a longish tail.  Broad's batting has deteriorated severely over the years, so as someone mentioned above, I can see them going with Overton at nine simply because he can offer something with the bat. 

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1304 on: November 21, 2017, 12:43:19 AM »
We're about an hour north of Brisbane and it's been chucking it down here since Saturday.  The forecast for the Test is fine but it wont be as hot as it normally is (25c-27C) with the odd shower around so there should be plenty of moisture in the pitch for the bowlers, especially on day one. 

They'll be no reverse and probably not the heat to open up any cracks as the test wears on.  So losing the toss wont be a disaster as I dont see the wicket deteriorating like say it might in Adelaide on days 4 and 5.  It might even be one of those rare occasions where, if it looks a bit green, you put the opposition in and as the best batting conditions would be days 2 and 3.