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Author Topic: The Cricket Thread 2017  (Read 103280 times)

Offline Risso

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1080 on: September 08, 2017, 11:57:25 AM »
One play that I'm always puzzled on, in terms of lack of selection, is Ben Foakes. I know he's a wicketkeeper, but he's a bloody good batsman and has a lot of talent.

Averaging more than the players they've picked this year.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1081 on: September 08, 2017, 12:02:32 PM »
The problems with the top order really hurt us on batting pitches but pitches like this one we're usually ok because the aggressive middle order will smash us back into the game.  If Australia have been paying attention they'll be trying to set up pitches with a first innings 'par' of 400+ and then challenge us to reach it, just like India did.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1082 on: September 08, 2017, 12:49:11 PM »
I'd still be tempted in Aus to go with Hales opening & Hameed at 3 & challenge him to do the Warner role of getting us off to a flyer.  Hales lasting 50 balls with be more productive than Stoneman or Westley scratching round for 8 runs off 40/50 balls.

Problem is there is no exceptional player smashing the door down to get in.

Hameed, Jennings, Stoneman, Westley, Malan, Duckett & Ballance all had good chances & not grasped it....who is next Northeast, Clarke?? Or back to the list again?

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1083 on: September 08, 2017, 12:57:44 PM »
I'd still be tempted in Aus to go with Hales opening & Hameed at 3 & challenge him to do the Warner role of getting us off to a flyer.  Hales lasting 50 balls with be more productive than Stoneman or Westley scratching round for 8 runs off 40/50 balls.

Problem is there is no exceptional player smashing the door down to get in.

Hameed, Jennings, Stoneman, Westley, Malan, Duckett & Ballance all had good chances & not grasped it....who is next Northeast, Clarke?? Or back to the list again?

Agree with both and Duckett at 5 for me.  If you haven't got obvious choices then pick players who can develop.  Hales is a little older but I see him as a short term solution for the next year or 2 whilst Hameed develops at 3 and we find someone else to step forward.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1084 on: September 08, 2017, 12:59:34 PM »
I honestly can not see Hales lasting 50 balls on fast pitches in Test match conditions.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1085 on: September 08, 2017, 01:02:12 PM »
I honestly can not see Hales lasting 50 balls on fast pitches in Test match conditions.

Maybe not but nor will any of the others we've tried and at least we know that Hales can score big runs in international cricket (albeit in a different format).

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1086 on: September 08, 2017, 01:02:50 PM »
Sorry for appearing negative again but no to Hameed at 3. 3 is a crises position for the best batter in the team not a position to develop batsman.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1087 on: September 08, 2017, 01:03:28 PM »
I honestly can not see Hales lasting 50 balls on fast pitches in Test match conditions.

Maybe not but nor will any of the others we've tried and at least we know that Hales can score big runs in international cricket (albeit in a different format).
That is true.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1088 on: September 08, 2017, 01:48:27 PM »
I actually think Hales would be fine on Aussie wickets, because the bounce is true and the ball isn't going to swing much. I still like Malan people say he hasn't grasped a chance but he's got a couple of 50s and his 20 in this game was pretty good in the context of what has happened. He's shown ability to gut it out.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1089 on: September 08, 2017, 02:38:05 PM »
I actually think Hales would be fine on Aussie wickets, because the bounce is true and the ball isn't going to swing much. I still like Malan people say he hasn't grasped a chance but he's got a couple of 50s and his 20 in this game was pretty good in the context of what has happened. He's shown ability to gut it out.

His lack of foot movement at the crease is the problem because it makes it a little too easy to square him up.

On the current test if anyone hasn't seen 'that over' I recommend giving this a watch - https://www.ecb.co.uk/tv/466964

How did he not get a wicket with that lot?

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1090 on: September 08, 2017, 02:43:09 PM »
Yeah, it was tremendous, up there with Flintoff's 2 wicket maiden during "that Test" at Edgbaston.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1091 on: September 08, 2017, 06:06:08 PM »
500 test wickets for Jimmy. Well done that man.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1092 on: September 08, 2017, 06:16:52 PM »
He is there amongst great bowlers in the world cricket history.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1093 on: September 08, 2017, 06:22:55 PM »
Amazingly skilled bowler.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2017
« Reply #1094 on: September 08, 2017, 06:35:45 PM »
The only two quicks with more are Walsh and McGrath. Impressive.