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Offline Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #75 on: May 27, 2017, 05:57:08 AM »
I do wonder how an Ellis-less Villa would have fared,
 

It's a bit like asking how a Thatcher-less UK would have fared. We will never know.

 

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #76 on: May 27, 2017, 07:08:55 AM »
As if there isn't enough reason to dislike Ellis already? Does anyone know the amount he has donated to this pathetic amoral dangerous party?
Buddy that's just your opinion. I think leftie communists are far more dangerous but that's just mine. So shall we leave politics off this site ?

Yep. You correctly observed it's his opinion.
And this is a discussion forum.

I think if you were requesting to rise above politics you might do it in a more polite way.

If it helps you understand: Politics mean I'm recruiting less NHS staff to my team than agreed because my trust makes cuts. Every year. Btw this is in the same mental health that Theresa May allegedly is championing.

Social care had been destroyed in this country. Councils up and down the land have been slashing services for years. I see people suffering as a result, including football fans.

Your request has unfortunately had the opposite effect.

From ?working class roots, Villa opposing nazism, the death of Matthias Sindelar, Franco's Real Madrid, government dictating seating stadia, European working regulations (Bosman), migration, work permits, current links between football & violence/nationalism/fascism/self determination, international relations expressed in international fixtures, great union/socialist managers, subsidised stadia (happy with the West Ham deal?), boycotting under armour as they promote big game hunting  etc etc

Just how could we ignore politics in football? It's life.

And whilst it's villa related, as HDE is, it's here. In this part of the site. On this thread.

Oh thank you for enlightening me, without your help I wouldn't have realised a forum was about discussion. I wasn't aware I was being impolite to Diablo, and if I had been he hasn't shown offence but thank you also for defending him
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It would appear you're not aware of quite a few things - but hey ho! Fingers crossed it's not early signs of dementia as it would be awful for you to lose your home paying for social care as this government have recently proposed in their manifesto (along with cutting winter fuel payments to vulnerable pensioners). Saying that let's hope you or any of your family, relatives or friends don't fall ill at any time in the near future and need to use the NHS. You know the NHS that the party you're so eagerly defending are hell bent on dismantling. Do any of those policies come across to you as pathetic? Amoral? Dangerous? Or do you just want to get back to calling (and assuming) people are communists for having that opinion - Buddy?

Before spouting off the socialist agenda, get you facts right (or your spin on them).  Dangerous - there's nothing like a big helping of exaggeration to mislead.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #77 on: May 27, 2017, 10:29:34 AM »
So the European Cup was won on his birthday. Bet he wasn't there.

This is a resurrected thread - his birthday is 3rd January.
No, he wasn't in Rotterdam. The story is that he had returned from a holiday in Barbados but due to industrial action at Heathrow he couldn't get over there in time.

Some fucking travel agent.

*standing ovation*

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #78 on: May 27, 2017, 10:33:18 AM »
I couldn't stand him but never realised he was this vile. Still, fitting that this heartless, greed-driven egotist who loved flogging off valuable assets has donated money to the Tories.

« Last Edit: May 27, 2017, 10:37:11 AM by Percy McCarthy »

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #79 on: May 27, 2017, 12:12:01 PM »
So the European Cup was won on his birthday. Bet he wasn't there.

This is a resurrected thread - his birthday is 3rd January.
No, he wasn't in Rotterdam. The story is that he had returned from a holiday in Barbados but due to industrial action at Heathrow he couldn't get over there in time.
That excuse beats having to do overtime at The Rover.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #80 on: May 27, 2017, 05:59:17 PM »
As if there isn't enough reason to dislike Ellis already? Does anyone know the amount he has donated to this pathetic amoral dangerous party?
Buddy that's just your opinion. I think leftie communists are far more dangerous but that's just mine. So shall we leave politics off this site ?

Yep. You correctly observed it's his opinion.
And this is a discussion forum.

I think if you were requesting to rise above politics you might do it in a more polite way.

If it helps you understand: Politics mean I'm recruiting less NHS staff to my team than agreed because my trust makes cuts. Every year. Btw this is in the same mental health that Theresa May allegedly is championing.

Social care had been destroyed in this country. Councils up and down the land have been slashing services for years. I see people suffering as a result, including football fans.

Your request has unfortunately had the opposite effect.

From ?working class roots, Villa opposing nazism, the death of Matthias Sindelar, Franco's Real Madrid, government dictating seating stadia, European working regulations (Bosman), migration, work permits, current links between football & violence/nationalism/fascism/self determination, international relations expressed in international fixtures, great union/socialist managers, subsidised stadia (happy with the West Ham deal?), boycotting under armour as they promote big game hunting  etc etc

Just how could we ignore politics in football? It's life.

And whilst it's villa related, as HDE is, it's here. In this part of the site. On this thread.

Oh thank you for enlightening me, without your help I wouldn't have realised a forum was about discussion. I wasn't aware I was being impolite to Diablo, and if I had been he hasn't shown offence but thank you also for defending him
👍

It would appear you're not aware of quite a few things - but hey ho! Fingers crossed it's not early signs of dementia as it would be awful for you to lose your home paying for social care as this government have recently proposed in their manifesto (along with cutting winter fuel payments to vulnerable pensioners). Saying that let's hope you or any of your family, relatives or friends don't fall ill at any time in the near future and need to use the NHS. You know the NHS that the party you're so eagerly defending are hell bent on dismantling. Do any of those policies come across to you as pathetic? Amoral? Dangerous? Or do you just want to get back to calling (and assuming) people are communists for having that opinion - Buddy?

Before spouting off the socialist agenda, get you facts right (or your spin on them).  Dangerous - there's nothing like a big helping of exaggeration to mislead.

It is not an exaggeration to say that this government are selling off the NHS to private companies. Take this week, you only have to look at why they have been so determined to block the full discloser of the former Health Secretary Andrew Lansley ministerial diaries from 2010 to 2011, a crucial period, just before the Health and Social Care Act 2012 was introduced. On Wednesday 3 judges have ruled he must disclose more information, thanks to a journalist requesting freedom of information, which will show the details of his meetings with private healthcare companies and executives with a vested interest in privatisiation. They have already moved key people from the private sector into the public office like former president of American healthcare firm UnitedHealth who is now CEO of NHS England.  Would you like an American health “care” system?

If you vote Conservative you are saying goodbye to the NHS as we know it, that isn’t an exaggeration. My local hospital was the first NHS hospital in the country. In the last 3 years they have closed the A&E and are now downgrading it further by taking away emergency consultants and leaving that to nurses and GPs.

If you think this is far fetched I suppose you can take lots of comfort with their record with the disabled? The rising need and use of foodbanks across the country? (The figures for 3 day emergency food supplies given to people in crisis by Trussell Trust) April 2016 – April 2017 Nationwide 1,182,954 – West Midlands 111,386, North West 174, 489. The rapidly rising number of homeless people in our cities.  The Conservatives have failed to deliver on the economy (they’ve borrowed more than any other government ever) and on security (I currently have armed police on the streets where I live/work) - this isn’t exaggeration. 

I wasn't looking to hijack the Herbert Ellis thread and turn it into an election/political thread (there is no doubt somewhere else to discuss this subject for those that want to). To summarise I think Ellis is now an even bigger twat than I thought a week ago and vote but don't vote Tory if you want an NHS ;-)

Offline old man villa fan

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #81 on: May 27, 2017, 08:26:41 PM »
You win. I've lost the will to live. Now, must go and read that not left for the Coalition Govt. when they took over from Labour.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #82 on: May 27, 2017, 10:17:52 PM »
You win. I've lost the will to live. Now, must go and read that not left for the Coalition Govt. when they took over from Labour.
It was a joke of the kind that most Chancellors apparently leave for their successor.
Reggie Maudling left a note for Jim Callaghan saying something along the lines "Good luck, sorry I've left such a mess."
But hey just let your prejudices get in the way of reality.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #83 on: May 27, 2017, 11:18:48 PM »
As if there isn't enough reason to dislike Ellis already? Does anyone know the amount he has donated to this pathetic amoral dangerous party?
Buddy that's just your opinion. I think leftie communists are far more dangerous but that's just mine. So shall we leave politics off this site ?

Yep. You correctly observed it's his opinion.
And this is a discussion forum.

I think if you were requesting to rise above politics you might do it in a more polite way.

If it helps you understand: Politics mean I'm recruiting less NHS staff to my team than agreed because my trust makes cuts. Every year. Btw this is in the same mental health that Theresa May allegedly is championing.

Social care had been destroyed in this country. Councils up and down the land have been slashing services for years. I see people suffering as a result, including football fans.

Your request has unfortunately had the opposite effect.

From ?working class roots, Villa opposing nazism, the death of Matthias Sindelar, Franco's Real Madrid, government dictating seating stadia, European working regulations (Bosman), migration, work permits, current links between football & violence/nationalism/fascism/self determination, international relations expressed in international fixtures, great union/socialist managers, subsidised stadia (happy with the West Ham deal?), boycotting under armour as they promote big game hunting  etc etc

Just how could we ignore politics in football? It's life.

And whilst it's villa related, as HDE is, it's here. In this part of the site. On this thread.

Oh thank you for enlightening me, without your help I wouldn't have realised a forum was about discussion. I wasn't aware I was being impolite to Diablo, and if I had been he hasn't shown offence but thank you also for defending him
👍

It would appear you're not aware of quite a few things - but hey ho! Fingers crossed it's not early signs of dementia as it would be awful for you to lose your home paying for social care as this government have recently proposed in their manifesto (along with cutting winter fuel payments to vulnerable pensioners). Saying that let's hope you or any of your family, relatives or friends don't fall ill at any time in the near future and need to use the NHS. You know the NHS that the party you're so eagerly defending are hell bent on dismantling. Do any of those policies come across to you as pathetic? Amoral? Dangerous? Or do you just want to get back to calling (and assuming) people are communists for having that opinion - Buddy?

Before spouting off the socialist agenda, get you facts right (or your spin on them).  Dangerous - there's nothing like a big helping of exaggeration to mislead.

Diablo,  Thanks for bringing Dementia into the conversation , I hope I get chance to meet you to discuss it as I have two members of my family and one close friend suffering from it. As for losing homes to pay for social care ....how long have you got? You are born with nothing and you die with nothing- My mother who is now 72 lives in a nice house in  Four Oaks , worked for all her life , from a working class area ( Yardley Wood ) should she and millions of others in our ageing population need home care is it 'fair' to expect you and everyone to pay for it whilst I inherit a fortune? I believe in social policy but my belief is that you need economic policy to pay for it. Every developed country in the world has this problem not just us. What could be fairer to all than for families that can afford it to pay for it , I have no right to inherit a fortune and actually if someone left me 'just' the £100,000 figure quoted after social care deductions I would not have a problem. And your answer to the funding problem would be ??????

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #84 on: May 28, 2017, 01:35:48 AM »
As if there isn't enough reason to dislike Ellis already? Does anyone know the amount he has donated to this pathetic amoral dangerous party?
Buddy that's just your opinion. I think leftie communists are far more dangerous but that's just mine. So shall we leave politics off this site ?

Yep. You correctly observed it's his opinion.
And this is a discussion forum.

I think if you were requesting to rise above politics you might do it in a more polite way.

If it helps you understand: Politics mean I'm recruiting less NHS staff to my team than agreed because my trust makes cuts. Every year. Btw this is in the same mental health that Theresa May allegedly is championing.

Social care had been destroyed in this country. Councils up and down the land have been slashing services for years. I see people suffering as a result, including football fans.

Your request has unfortunately had the opposite effect.

From ?working class roots, Villa opposing nazism, the death of Matthias Sindelar, Franco's Real Madrid, government dictating seating stadia, European working regulations (Bosman), migration, work permits, current links between football & violence/nationalism/fascism/self determination, international relations expressed in international fixtures, great union/socialist managers, subsidised stadia (happy with the West Ham deal?), boycotting under armour as they promote big game hunting  etc etc

Just how could we ignore politics in football? It's life.

And whilst it's villa related, as HDE is, it's here. In this part of the site. On this thread.

Oh thank you for enlightening me, without your help I wouldn't have realised a forum was about discussion. I wasn't aware I was being impolite to Diablo, and if I had been he hasn't shown offence but thank you also for defending him
👍
Hi brentastonb6, I was responding to your point, "that's just your opinion" as it seems a rather limited argument to base a request for use of a discussion forum on.

I was also responding on behalf of myself (not Diablo) as someone you might presume to be a 'leftie communist', as I felt that was a rather lazy and disrespectful (hence my mentioning politeness) way of labelling someone like *me* who cares about vulnerable people. I'd also criticise new labour for the u-turn in developing PFI, the singlemost health infrastructure disaster of recent time perhaps.

I actually accept some tightening of the belt but feel great discomfort when it's not done honestly. Although saying that, I think it's a fairly common analysis - as has been pointed out- that austerity policy hasn't worked (at least as planned). And that those that are suffering most are those most in need.

It might be hard to see the crises ahead with the NHS from the outside, but this is such a crucial time.

I wish everybody well, and hope we get outcomes that are best.

PS back on topic, I hadn't even got as far as thinking about it being my £ spent on Villa that is going to the party that is threatening our social fabric. Shudder.

Oh and I hope those close to you brentastonb6 suffering from dementia are doing as well as they can and have some good services in their area.

Offline brian green

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #85 on: May 28, 2017, 07:05:50 AM »
What is overlooked in the Dementia Tax debate is that only inheritance money makes it possible for children and grandchildren to own their own homes.  If I get the dementia I see peeking over the horizon and live to the same age as my mother, my grandchildren will get £20k each towards a home which in the place they were born and raised already averages £500k.  The wealth being siphoned off home owners to pay for medical care they have already paid for is in reality being siphoned off the young.  My hope is that if that appears to be happening I will be compos mentis enough to top myself.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #86 on: May 28, 2017, 08:59:31 AM »
What is overlooked in the Dementia Tax debate is that only inheritance money makes it possible for children and grandchildren to own their own homes.  If I get the dementia I see peeking over the horizon and live to the same age as my mother, my grandchildren will get £20k each towards a home which in the place they were born and raised already averages £500k.  The wealth being siphoned off home owners to pay for medical care they have already paid for is in reality being siphoned off the young.  My hope is that if that appears to be happening I will be compos mentis enough to top myself.

The trouble is Brian, governments of all colours have chronically underfunded old age care for decades. For me it comes down to successive governments cashing cheques every year we can't afford to pay so they're naturally going to come after your wealth in areas where they feel you have the ability to pay. It's a wealth tax by any other name.

Unfortunately both the Tories mainly and Labour when in power have continued reducing tax burdens on individuals which has lessened the tax take as a proportion of GDP leading to chronic funding problems for all parts of the "social contract" inc Defence, NHS, Social Care, Education.

It's the old conundrum we want Scandinavian levels of govt services funded by Singaporean levels of taxation. The sums just don't add up.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #87 on: May 28, 2017, 09:23:57 AM »
I agree 100% AV.  What is at the root of the problem is waste.  Successive governments have failed to use the huge amounts of tax raised from UK taxpayers wisely and thriftily.  Just one example to quote Scandinavian standards, Norway used it's oil revenue to set up a sovereign wealth fund we pissed ours up the wall on aircraft carriers with no aircraft, computer systems that do not work, bombing the living daylights out of Gaddafi, paying millions to BBC executives to arse lick the likes of Jimmy Savile, giving away the Olympic Stadium to Gold and Sullivan, salvaging banks that should have been made to face the consequences of their blind greed and all the rest of the burdens generated by failure and stupidity of those charged with spending our money.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2017, 09:38:59 AM by brian green »

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #88 on: May 28, 2017, 10:29:44 AM »
I haven't looked at the proposals for the selling of houses and the £100K limit too closely, but they wouldn't appear from the outset to hard to get round. 

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #89 on: May 28, 2017, 10:46:42 AM »
I haven't looked at the proposals for the selling of houses and the £100K limit too closely, but they wouldn't appear from the outset to hard to get round. 

Isn't that part of the unfairness that people are so excorcised about? Rich people will have the funds to employ someone to find the ways around a tax system, whereas people without the means will end up paying. The marginal tax rate on the rich is lower than that on less wealthy people that contribute through PAYE

 


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