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Offline brian green

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2017, 07:18:54 AM »
Tears down Vote Labour poster from front window.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2017, 07:27:07 AM »
2 League cups, regular European football, top 4 finishes......

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2017, 07:59:28 AM »
2 League cups, regular European football, top 4 finishes......

Fair point. I would have that back right about now.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2017, 08:04:58 AM »
Randy Lerner would seem a competent owner if you only count the good seasons and ignore anything bad that ever happened.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2017, 08:11:23 AM »
In fairness to Doug we have been more successful under the Tories than Labour.

Last FA Cup win under MacMillan. Did we ever have it so we good ?  Well yes, Mrs T saw us win the League and rule Europe (Happy Rotterdam day by the way). Harold Wilson got us relegated and it took the combined efforts of Doug and Mr Heath to bring us back from the Third Division to where we belong.
Admittedly it was an utter disaster with Cameron but I put that down to his confusion regarding his claret and blue allegiance as opposed to his Conservative politics.

In conclusion, I shall therefore be making a very substantial donation to the Lib Dems.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2017, 08:13:11 AM by Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air »

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2017, 08:17:54 AM »
Shouldn't this thread be in off topic if politics takes priority?

Fact is Wendy were
One of the the most successful clubs during the 90s under Douglas, let's just enjoy those days.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2017, 08:21:33 AM »
Randy Lerner would seem a competent owner if you only count the good seasons and ignore anything bad that ever happened.

How many cups and top four finishes did Mr Lerner achieve?

Even in Dougs relegation he manged
To acquire Sir Graham from Watford.

Please never compare Lerners tenure with Dougs.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2017, 08:25:03 AM »
We are discussing HDE and he is a major donor to the Conservative party.  He made the vast majority of his wealth from Aston Villa FC so a political dimension to this thread is inevitable.  I personally feel unhappy that a few pennies of his political largesse came from the money I paid for Villa shares.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2017, 08:32:29 AM »
If you only focus on the good, you can make either seem decent.

Lerner had us achieve three successive top six finishes, which Ellis never did.

Ellis got us relegated within five years of returning to take over the European Champions. He deserves recognition for appointing Taylor, but also condemnation for employing O'Leary, Turner and McNeill. He would also have got rid of Ron Saunders had he got his own way.

I'm perfectly happy with recognising the better achievements we made during his two spells as Chairman, but see no point in applying a Stalinist approach and eliminating from history all the bad things that happened during his tenure.

People should consider good and bad spells of his reign, today of all days.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2017, 08:48:13 AM »
What should also be put in the scales of HDE's record is the destruction of the Trinity architecture and it's replacement with Kwik Build Flatpackery.  I hate the word icon but it was an icon in three fields - architecture, urban social history and football history.  HDE turned it to rubble but worse still was proud of what he did.  The ultimate football Philistine.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2017, 08:56:37 AM »
2 top four consecutive finishes wasn't too shabby.

Two league cups and two runners up weren't too unejoyable either.

Man Utd also appointed David Moyes.

Oh and O'Leary almost got us champions league football and Doug had one relegation with an immediate return.

I'm a 90s kid so You will never convince me otherwise. Leave the politics to another topic though gents.


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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2017, 09:06:19 AM »
What should also be put in the scales of HDE's record is the destruction of the Trinity architecture and it's replacement with Kwik Build Flatpackery.  I hate the word icon but it was an icon in three fields - architecture, urban social history and football history.  HDE turned it to rubble but worse still was proud of what he did.  The ultimate football Philistine.

The problem we face with many old buildings. How do we make them safe, fit for purpose and the work economically feasible.  Football clubs probably take the biggest hit as it can hit performances on the pitch due to less investment.

Saying that, I think a far better redevelopment could have been achieved at no more cost and that recognised the architecture and history of the Trinity Road stand.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2017, 09:07:56 AM »
Doug had two relegations. We also won the European Cup while he was away. Not sure why you are unwilling to consider any bad things that happened while he was here.

Trying to pretend O'Leary was anything but an unmitigated disaster is scraping the barrel.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2017, 09:08:05 AM »
Another Doug Ellis debate. Joy.

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Re: Herbert Ellis
« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2017, 09:12:55 AM »
Well, if it's a political thread, austerity is the result of uncontrolled spending way beyond your means.  There always comes a day of reckoning.  Oh, back on Villa.

 


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