Villa v Sunderland FA Cup Final 1913

[DaveH1874]

I was chatting to a family member at a funeral recently.  Her Grandad played for the Villa second team way back and she has some fantastic memorabilia from his days at the Villa. Quite amusing were the notes he was given instructing him to be at Snow Hill station with clean boots and "knickers" in time to catch the train for away matches.  Some fantastic old photographs of Villa Park as well.  Unfortunately Villa were not interested in any of it as he wasn't a regular first team player.  Makes me proud though even if it was the reserves.  Said family member has a programme from her Grandad from the FA Cup Final of 1913, Villa v Sunderland.
Wonder if anyone can shed any light on why a programme from this match would be worth so much. I understand that the value could be between £5000 and £7000, for what I believe is a piece of double sided card.
I know it was played at Crystal Palace, that we won 1-0, that there were over 121000 people there, that two players were "suspended", that the ref was also suspended for allowing 17 minutes of additional time and that it was the last FA Cup final before the outbreak of WW1.  Enough to make it so valuable though?  Any thoughts?

[PeterWithesShin]

It's always worth remembering that there's a difference between a site listing it at £7K and someone ever paying that much. Although Sportspages usually aren't too far off with their prices.

Anyway, here's a video (mute the sound!) and a couple of pics from that day

[ADVILLAFAN]

This was the first time that the top two teams in the league met in the Cup Final too  apparently

[john e]

wow they are nearly as far away from the pitch as west Ham fans in those photos

good story in the op Dave,
my wife has a similar story with a long time ago relative who played for Nottingham Forest reserves, the mother in law never shuts up about it when she on a roll

Stoke City showed interest in my Dad when he was a lad back in the 1940's but when the club officials went round his house to ask his Dad and he found out it meant playing on Sunday and it was out of the question, it was never mentioned in the house again

 I don't know anything about the value of programmes but 5-7k does seem a little steep for a old football programme, I suppose it depends on how rare it is and how many remain

take it to Fiona Bruce she knows a few people

[UK Redsox]

Pics looks like a baseball stadium

[dave shelley]

On the tenuous claim to fame thing, my old man turned down terms to play for Notts County, never told me why.  This was corroborated by my mother so is not self-aggrandisment bullshit.  I suspect messers Ansells and Mitchells and Butlers had a lot to do with it.

[Tayls_7]

I watched the footage and felt that if Sunderland made a couple of astute substitutions and switched to a more positive 4-3-3 they could have forced extra time and penalties.

[lennythekad]

You'd probably get that for it, off a serious cup final collector, at auction. A Wolves v PNE 1889 FAC final prog went for £21,850, a couple of years ago. 1924 Villa v Newcastle final progs have gone for £6-8K on several occasions. This game is more sought after than the 1923 final, the first at Wembley, as it poured with rain at the '24 final, and a lot of the crowd used them to keep their heads dry, turning them to a mush, as they were made of cheap paper, plus the price went up from 6d in '23 to 1/- in '24, so less were sold.

[ADVILLAFAN]

17 minutes added on time. I think I'd die if we were 1-0 up in the Cup Final and the referee added on that long....

[dave shelley]

By the look of his personal animation, it looks as though it would have taken him ten minutes to reach any incident in question.

[DaveH1874]

Cheers all and many thanks for the pics and video PWS.

[berneboy]

GTC

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[peter w]

On the 'my dad' theme my dad was playing locally in Birmingham and a Villa scout approached someone at the club about taking him to Villa. Only to be told that my dad wouldn't be interested because he judt joined whichever team it was. He only found out roughly 5-10 years ago when whoever it was told him that he was the one approached by Villa and told them no. My dad was a mixture of absolutely gutted combined with delight that Villa wanted him.

[cdbearsfan]

This was the first time that the top two teams in the league met in the Cup Final too  apparently

I don't think it happened again for nearly a century. Whenever it was that Drogba scored the only goal against Man U.

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

One Sunderland supporter bet his house on the outcome of the showpiece - which is why the property bears the name 'Aston Villa.'

You will find the building in Front Street, Quarrington Hill, County Durham and it once belonged to businessman Albert Gillett, co-owner of the G & B bus company.

Mr Gillett, an avid follower of the Wearside club, was so confident his favourites would lift the trophy that he publicly declared that his new home would be named after the winners.

He was as good as his word, reluctantly calling the house 'Aston Villa' after Barber's late goal secured victory over a Sunderland team who would go on to become league champions.

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/aston-villa/front-street-south/quarrington-hill/durham/dh6-4qn/6792892

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Aston+Villa,+Front+St,+Quarrington+Hill,+Durham+DH6+4QN/@54.7305705,-1.4810078,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x487e8889be933d6b:0xd62239624af506fd!8m2!3d54.7305705!4d-1.4788191

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3112170