Quote from: The Edge on August 28, 2016, 10:35:41 AMQuote from: saunders_heroes on August 27, 2016, 05:48:11 PMQuote from: ChicagoLion on August 27, 2016, 05:37:29 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on August 27, 2016, 05:12:54 PMQuote from: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 05:09:43 PMTwo constants from our shite last few seasons - Westwood and Bacuna - are still in senior roles. It's no surprise to me that with their contributions, we're as solid as a paper aeroplane in a tornado.Absolute bollocks. Two of our better players this season. It's their fault the whole fucking team collapse in the second half?i know the result as soon as I see thier names on the team sheet.Bacuna's done half decent so far but he's still not anything special. Westwood on the other hand has been his usual anonymous self. Honestly when are fans gonna realise the waster this man is? He's spent years making our midfield mediocre with displays of nothingness and it's time we finally got rid of him. We won't be promoted with him in our midfield.The fans do realise what a useless player Westwood is. Question is when will the hierarchy realise it? He is not the sole reason we are in this utterly depressing situation but he has become a symbol of the club's current malaise. We have got only one crumb of comfort to cling on to. And that is in the shape of Tommy Elphick. Can he be the one to turn up at the training ground and lay the law down to the troops? I sincerely hope so. I'm hoping TE decides to stop bangin' his Swede on an upright & does it on the bonces of some of our squad ponces. Better still, he starts banging a few heads together and issuing the riot act. Let's face it, RDM is never gonna do it (although SC certainly looks like he could dish it out). And how Westwood continues to deceive a succession of management teams is one of the great mysteries of our time. I can only think he's one of the world's eminent practitioners of massed hypnotism (ie more than one gullible idiot at any given time) - although the majority of supporters evidently ain't so stupid as to buy such jiggery pokery. AAAAAAAAARRRGGGGHH!
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 27, 2016, 05:48:11 PMQuote from: ChicagoLion on August 27, 2016, 05:37:29 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on August 27, 2016, 05:12:54 PMQuote from: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 05:09:43 PMTwo constants from our shite last few seasons - Westwood and Bacuna - are still in senior roles. It's no surprise to me that with their contributions, we're as solid as a paper aeroplane in a tornado.Absolute bollocks. Two of our better players this season. It's their fault the whole fucking team collapse in the second half?i know the result as soon as I see thier names on the team sheet.Bacuna's done half decent so far but he's still not anything special. Westwood on the other hand has been his usual anonymous self. Honestly when are fans gonna realise the waster this man is? He's spent years making our midfield mediocre with displays of nothingness and it's time we finally got rid of him. We won't be promoted with him in our midfield.The fans do realise what a useless player Westwood is. Question is when will the hierarchy realise it? He is not the sole reason we are in this utterly depressing situation but he has become a symbol of the club's current malaise. We have got only one crumb of comfort to cling on to. And that is in the shape of Tommy Elphick. Can he be the one to turn up at the training ground and lay the law down to the troops? I sincerely hope so.
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 27, 2016, 05:37:29 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on August 27, 2016, 05:12:54 PMQuote from: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 05:09:43 PMTwo constants from our shite last few seasons - Westwood and Bacuna - are still in senior roles. It's no surprise to me that with their contributions, we're as solid as a paper aeroplane in a tornado.Absolute bollocks. Two of our better players this season. It's their fault the whole fucking team collapse in the second half?i know the result as soon as I see thier names on the team sheet.Bacuna's done half decent so far but he's still not anything special. Westwood on the other hand has been his usual anonymous self. Honestly when are fans gonna realise the waster this man is? He's spent years making our midfield mediocre with displays of nothingness and it's time we finally got rid of him. We won't be promoted with him in our midfield.
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 27, 2016, 05:12:54 PMQuote from: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 05:09:43 PMTwo constants from our shite last few seasons - Westwood and Bacuna - are still in senior roles. It's no surprise to me that with their contributions, we're as solid as a paper aeroplane in a tornado.Absolute bollocks. Two of our better players this season. It's their fault the whole fucking team collapse in the second half?i know the result as soon as I see thier names on the team sheet.
Quote from: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 05:09:43 PMTwo constants from our shite last few seasons - Westwood and Bacuna - are still in senior roles. It's no surprise to me that with their contributions, we're as solid as a paper aeroplane in a tornado.Absolute bollocks. Two of our better players this season. It's their fault the whole fucking team collapse in the second half?
Two constants from our shite last few seasons - Westwood and Bacuna - are still in senior roles. It's no surprise to me that with their contributions, we're as solid as a paper aeroplane in a tornado.
Until we get the crucial goals when it matters (McCormack at Weds, Ayew v Hudds and Bacuna today) we are inviting teams to punish us. And invariably they do. The reason? No killer instinct, no real desire to win. It's RDMs job to change the mentality, and bloody soon.
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 27, 2016, 05:12:54 PMQuote from: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 05:09:43 PMTwo constants from our shite last few seasons - Westwood and Bacuna - are still in senior roles. It's no surprise to me that with their contributions, we're as solid as a paper aeroplane in a tornado.Absolute bollocks. Two of our better players this season. It's their fault the whole fucking team collapse in the second half?Again, nobody is saying it's 'their fault'. Theyre both poor players with a long history of being in a losing team. You like them, I get it. But it doesn't make them good players, and you don't really have a leg to stand on defending either of them. They have no particular attribute. Westwood for one rarely assists or scores, dribbles, tackles or makes a decisive pass. Give me one shred of evidence which backs up your pro-Westwood stance.
Quote from: auntiesledd on August 28, 2016, 11:24:50 AMQuote from: The Edge on August 28, 2016, 10:35:41 AMQuote from: saunders_heroes on August 27, 2016, 05:48:11 PMQuote from: ChicagoLion on August 27, 2016, 05:37:29 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on August 27, 2016, 05:12:54 PMQuote from: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 05:09:43 PMTwo constants from our shite last few seasons - Westwood and Bacuna - are still in senior roles. It's no surprise to me that with their contributions, we're as solid as a paper aeroplane in a tornado.Absolute bollocks. Two of our better players this season. It's their fault the whole fucking team collapse in the second half?i know the result as soon as I see thier names on the team sheet.Bacuna's done half decent so far but he's still not anything special. Westwood on the other hand has been his usual anonymous self. Honestly when are fans gonna realise the waster this man is? He's spent years making our midfield mediocre with displays of nothingness and it's time we finally got rid of him. We won't be promoted with him in our midfield.The fans do realise what a useless player Westwood is. Question is when will the hierarchy realise it? He is not the sole reason we are in this utterly depressing situation but he has become a symbol of the club's current malaise. We have got only one crumb of comfort to cling on to. And that is in the shape of Tommy Elphick. Can he be the one to turn up at the training ground and lay the law down to the troops? I sincerely hope so. I'm hoping TE decides to stop bangin' his Swede on an upright & does it on the bonces of some of our squad ponces. Better still, he starts banging a few heads together and issuing the riot act. Let's face it, RDM is never gonna do it (although SC certainly looks like he could dish it out). And how Westwood continues to deceive a succession of management teams is one of the great mysteries of our time. I can only think he's one of the world's eminent practitioners of massed hypnotism (ie more than one gullible idiot at any given time) - although the majority of supporters evidently ain't so stupid as to buy such jiggery pokery. AAAAAAAAARRRGGGGHH! Jiggery pokery! ! Fantastic. Word (s) of the day.
As stated by Rose and what a statement to make about a professional footballer " Westwood for one rarely assists or scores, dribbles, tackles or makes a decisive pass" and thats when he is having a good game.Chris W , yes when the game is going our way I can see what you are saying, he rotates the ball around the middle of the park and does what he does best, keeps it simple, but what he does not offer and has never in a Villa shirt, is the protection of the back 4, the ability to spot an opponents run and track him back, the breaking up of play by the opponents before it gets into a dangerous position for AVFC, we are at present playing with Ayew, Jack and RMc in a more forward positions, again none of their strengths are winning the ball back once lost, the Jedi has probably been brought in to do part of this,but he cannot do it on his own.The lack of qualities that Westwood has, has already, will now and going forward cost us dearly.
Quote from: Axl Rose on August 28, 2016, 11:59:54 AMQuote from: chrisw1 on August 27, 2016, 05:12:54 PMQuote from: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 05:09:43 PMTwo constants from our shite last few seasons - Westwood and Bacuna - are still in senior roles. It's no surprise to me that with their contributions, we're as solid as a paper aeroplane in a tornado.Absolute bollocks. Two of our better players this season. It's their fault the whole fucking team collapse in the second half?Again, nobody is saying it's 'their fault'. Theyre both poor players with a long history of being in a losing team. You like them, I get it. But it doesn't make them good players, and you don't really have a leg to stand on defending either of them. They have no particular attribute. Westwood for one rarely assists or scores, dribbles, tackles or makes a decisive pass. Give me one shred of evidence which backs up your pro-Westwood stance.The fact that every single one of our managers since we signed him thinks he contributes sufficiently to pick him. Of course you'll retort they were all shit managers, but they wouldn't have been managing pl clubs if they didn't have some football knowledge - more than most posters on Internet forums I suspect. So there is my evidence, thanks.I've said before I think he adds balance to the team, keeps the ball moving, works hard and is always available as an outlet to a teammate under pressure. Not every player scores 40 yard screamers or knocks opponents into the stands, you need a balanced team and when we play well Westwood usually looks like he is helping the team tick over. I'm not saying he's a world beater and of course could be upgraded, but blaming our collapses on him when the manager has signed practically a whole new team is just ridiculous.
I know yesterday was shit but come on there's 40+ games to go this season, let's not get too hysterical about things.