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Offline ChicagoLion

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #585 on: November 09, 2019, 09:14:52 PM »
This is all pretty unseemly and therefore disrespectful to Dalian's memory I reckon.
Completely agree.

Offline dave.woodhall

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #586 on: November 09, 2019, 09:57:33 PM »
What is your problem here?


My problem is that you're turning into a policeaphobic version of Tommy Robinson, potentially threatening a trial you so desperately want. Stop it now.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2019, 05:07:20 AM by dave.woodhall »

Offline KevinGage

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #587 on: November 10, 2019, 01:55:36 AM »
Can't we just accept that an esteemed member of this board might not be crazy about the rozzers and this latest episode confirms what many of us suspected.

No need for a pissing contest or endless quotathons.

Offline Axl Rose

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #588 on: November 10, 2019, 03:01:07 AM »
This is all pretty unseemly and therefore disrespectful to Dalian's memory I reckon.
Completely agree.

This.

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #589 on: November 10, 2019, 06:27:42 AM »
What I find so sad is where they show the picture of him in the Asics home shirt. He looks so young, I remember when he signed, saw most of the games he ever played for us, the goals, THAT goal.

..and now all these years on and he's dead. RIP Dalian.

Offline mike

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #590 on: November 10, 2019, 08:34:55 AM »
Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people.  I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob

How did you get this job?

Did you need any particular qualifications?

Did you work your way up?

Why did you stay in the job? Was it solely because you care?

I had already come to the same conclusion as Chicago Lion that this continued debate is disrespectful to Dalian and had no intention of contributing further to it but I want to answer these questions. I joined by an application process as you do. I can’t recall what qualifications I needed but I grew up on a deprived council estate, got four A levels and a good degree from one of the better universities. I refused to apply to Oxbridge because of my family’s generational and enduring belief in Socialism and equality. I quickly got onto a fast promotion scheme but stepped off it to stay working at the coal face because that’s why I joined. I stayed because I was able to help and make a difference. I left early for that über stereotypical police reason of becoming a househusband. I stayed because when my mates were talking about earning a fortune in the city, I could say I protected vulnerable people. As another poster says, saying fuck the police because of what those two did and why is like saying fuck Villa fans because amongst our number we count violent idiots and racists.

Now thought to Dalian and his family and leave it at that.

Offline The Edge

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #591 on: November 10, 2019, 10:01:32 AM »
Just for the record, I was a police officer for 27 years. I put plenty of rapists, murderers and child molesters in prison. I have spent hours viewing the most disgusting videos you could imagine and matching them painstakingly with e mails to prove someone was part of an international paedophile ring. I still have nightmares about that one, but I saved a girl who was too frightened to accuse her dad from a life of torture. I sent a man who had systematically raped three of his daughters over twenty years to prison, even though none of them made a complaint. I sent down two men who had burgled and terrified a string of old people.  I comforted the bereaved, I dealt with things and saw things and shared people’s suffering in ways I suspect Bob can only imagine. I never lifted a finger to a black person and hate racism with every fibre of my being. I put myself in danger, I got injured, I carry mental scars from what I have seen and done for half the money my mates earn and I did it all, like 99% of plod, because I care. If this bloke has done what he’s accused of, I would have taken massive pride in helping send him to prison. So I suspect I have contributed more to the poor and minority groups than Bob ever has. Fuck narrow minded, prejudiced, generalising, judgmental twats like Bob

How did you get this job?

Did you need any particular qualifications?

Did you work your way up?

Why did you stay in the job? Was it solely because you care?

I had already come to the same conclusion as Chicago Lion that this continued debate is disrespectful to Dalian and had no intention of contributing further to it but I want to answer these questions. I joined by an application process as you do. I can’t recall what qualifications I needed but I grew up on a deprived council estate, got four A levels and a good degree from one of the better universities. I refused to apply to Oxbridge because of my family’s generational and enduring belief in Socialism and equality. I quickly got onto a fast promotion scheme but stepped off it to stay working at the coal face because that’s why I joined. I stayed because I was able to help and make a difference. I left early for that über stereotypical police reason of becoming a househusband. I stayed because when my mates were talking about earning a fortune in the city, I could say I protected vulnerable people. As another poster says, saying fuck the police because of what those two did and why is like saying fuck Villa fans because amongst our number we count violent idiots and racists.

Now thought to Dalian and his family and leave it at that.
Well said. Please don't rise to bobs bait anymore. This is about one of our own who died in tragic circumstances.

Offline Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #592 on: November 12, 2019, 09:00:50 AM »
What I find so sad is where they show the picture of him in the Asics home shirt. He looks so young, I remember when he signed, saw most of the games he ever played for us, the goals, THAT goal.

..and now all these years on and he's dead. RIP Dalian.

If you listen very carefully, you can hear me shouting "Pass the ball! Pass the ball! Oh for f... brilliant goal Dalian".

Offline AV82EC

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #593 on: November 12, 2019, 09:07:10 AM »
What I find so sad is where they show the picture of him in the Asics home shirt. He looks so young, I remember when he signed, saw most of the games he ever played for us, the goals, THAT goal.

..and now all these years on and he's dead. RIP Dalian.

If you listen very carefully, you can hear me shouting "Pass the ball! Pass the ball! Oh for f... brilliant goal Dalian".

I was there for THAT goal and you’re right most people on the Holmesdale were encouraging him to pass it to Deano. It was a beautiful moment to be part of and experience.

Offline WarszaVillan82

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #594 on: November 12, 2019, 09:19:42 AM »
What I find so sad is where they show the picture of him in the Asics home shirt. He looks so young, I remember when he signed, saw most of the games he ever played for us, the goals, THAT goal.

..and now all these years on and he's dead. RIP Dalian.

If you listen very carefully, you can hear me shouting "Pass the ball! Pass the ball! Oh for f... brilliant goal Dalian".

I was there for THAT goal and you’re right most people on the Holmesdale were encouraging him to pass it to Deano. It was a beautiful moment to be part of and experience.

I was doing the same, Yorke (I think?) had made a run and was in acres of space. I loved that team.

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #595 on: November 12, 2019, 11:01:12 AM »
There are a lot of people on the margins of society who lack respect for the police and when something tragic like this happens, they become emotional and use hyperbole. Much the same can be said of football fans in general.

There are many, many examples of the police not approaching their work in the right way, when they should be above reproach. There are also many examples of the police really stepping up to do work and protect people that most of us couldn't do. Some of our police officers are killed in the line of duty, which is abhorrent and wrong.

I'm not sure Bob's response is the one I'd agree with, but I understand why he may be one of people who feels that way. Much the same as I'd not agree with someone who says the sun shines out of police arses.

We've all been away fans, herded about and treated like shit by the police haven't we? Nottingham Forest away is one example that gets mentioned on here now and again.

We see examples from the States, where young black men are routinely beaten, or killed, and protests start as a result. because, yes, there are many in the police force who don't act responsibly.

So sometimes, yeah, fuck the police. But no, not all the time, not even a majority of the time, in fact probably a very small minority of the time.

It would be helpful if Bob could contextualise his point. Otherwise perhaps he should shut up.

Offline Mortimer's Bear

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #596 on: November 12, 2019, 11:30:02 AM »
Please excuse my ignorance but what else needs to be said really other than "Rest in Peace Dalian, and thanks for the memories".

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #597 on: November 12, 2019, 11:35:54 AM »
What I find so sad is where they show the picture of him in the Asics home shirt. He looks so young, I remember when he signed, saw most of the games he ever played for us, the goals, THAT goal.

..and now all these years on and he's dead. RIP Dalian.

If you listen very carefully, you can hear me shouting "Pass the ball! Pass the ball! Oh for f... brilliant goal Dalian".

I was there for THAT goal and you’re right most people on the Holmesdale were encouraging him to pass it to Deano. It was a beautiful moment to be part of and experience.

I was doing the same, Yorke (I think?) had made a run and was in acres of space. I loved that team.

Me too. The team, the kit, the awaydays. Magic.

Offline paul_e

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #598 on: November 12, 2019, 12:13:31 PM »
So sometimes, yeah, fuck the police. But no, not all the time, not even a majority of the time, in fact probably a very small minority of the time.

This was my point, when this happened I could understand people being upset and saw many similar sentiments and had no issue with it. My problem was that everything that happened last week showed that the police were doing the right thing, exactly as we'd ask of them, making it the wrong time to make such a blanket statement.

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Re: Dalian Atkinson
« Reply #599 on: November 12, 2019, 12:26:41 PM »
There are a lot of people on the margins of society who lack respect for the police and when something tragic like this happens, they become emotional and use hyperbole. Much the same can be said of football fans in general.

There are also a lot of people on the margins of society who have been on the receiving end of grave injustices, which provokes a strong reaction. In my experience, it's not so much about the small minority of individuals in the force who've done the wrong thing, although this does happen occasionally.  It's the systemic, ingrained problem, usually to do with race, which can be pervasive. And people on the margins of society feel, and in most cases truly are, powerless to do anything about it... which breeds deep anger and resentment, hence the reactions.