But that's what most clubs do with young players, it's like saying Grealish was so good we sent him to Notts County and then we started to give him some games. Or Harry Kane was so good Spurs sent him out on loan 4 times. And when Tshibola was frozen out he wasn't competing with those players, it was Gardner, Bacuna and Westwood.
I never met Platt but I have met Bosnich and he was great, really chatty and friendly.
Quote from: RussellC on September 25, 2018, 11:47:05 AMQuote from: Drummond on September 24, 2018, 06:02:55 PMQuote from: RussellC on September 24, 2018, 05:32:43 PMQuote from: Drummond on September 24, 2018, 01:10:39 PMJust because he's had a game or two in Scotland doesn't make him good enough for the Championship.What about the spell he had playing well for Reading....in the Championship?Oh yes, sorry, those 13 games were brilliant. So they loaned him out to Hartlepool.Hmm. A bit of Bruce-esque revisionism here... He went on loan to Hartlepool in 2014/15, returning to Reading the following season, where he made 16 appearances in total.I just don't understand why he wasn't given a chance in pre-season, when the squad was on its knees. Is it really better to persevere with a player like Henri Lansbury - who's barely ever broken sweat in a Villa shirt - than to try to get a tune of a young player who clearly has some ability? Not revisionism, just a lazy post really. My wording could have said. 'So good wa she that Reading loaned him out to play 23 games for Hartlepool then gave him 13 games themselves.' 'Then we flounced in with a load of dosh and bought the potential rather than any quality because we had a bit of cash.'He's not done anything to evidence he's good enough, particularly to get in the side in front of Grealish, McGinn, Hourihane, etc.As for Lansbury, career so far...Senior career*Years Team Apps (Gls)2007–2012 Arsenal 3 (0)2009 → Scunthorpe United (loan) 16 (4)2009–2010 → Watford (loan) 37 (5)2010–2011 → Norwich City (loan) 23 (4)2011–2012 → West Ham United (loan) 22 (1)2012–2017 → Nottingham Forest 145 (32)2017 – → Aston Villa 26 (1)National team2005–2006 England U16 5 (0)2006–2007 England U17 14 (4)2007–2009 England U19 11 (4)2009–2013 England U21 16 (5)
Quote from: Drummond on September 24, 2018, 06:02:55 PMQuote from: RussellC on September 24, 2018, 05:32:43 PMQuote from: Drummond on September 24, 2018, 01:10:39 PMJust because he's had a game or two in Scotland doesn't make him good enough for the Championship.What about the spell he had playing well for Reading....in the Championship?Oh yes, sorry, those 13 games were brilliant. So they loaned him out to Hartlepool.Hmm. A bit of Bruce-esque revisionism here... He went on loan to Hartlepool in 2014/15, returning to Reading the following season, where he made 16 appearances in total.I just don't understand why he wasn't given a chance in pre-season, when the squad was on its knees. Is it really better to persevere with a player like Henri Lansbury - who's barely ever broken sweat in a Villa shirt - than to try to get a tune of a young player who clearly has some ability?
Quote from: RussellC on September 24, 2018, 05:32:43 PMQuote from: Drummond on September 24, 2018, 01:10:39 PMJust because he's had a game or two in Scotland doesn't make him good enough for the Championship.What about the spell he had playing well for Reading....in the Championship?Oh yes, sorry, those 13 games were brilliant. So they loaned him out to Hartlepool.
Quote from: Drummond on September 24, 2018, 01:10:39 PMJust because he's had a game or two in Scotland doesn't make him good enough for the Championship.What about the spell he had playing well for Reading....in the Championship?
Just because he's had a game or two in Scotland doesn't make him good enough for the Championship.
Even if he isn't, and I still think it's more off the pitch reasons why he's been frozen out, using him going to Hartlepool on loan as proof he wasn't very good doesn't hold up.
To clarify, i'm saying that going on loan to Hartlepool doesn't prove anything as every year loads of players, some bad, some soon to be brilliant, are sent on loan to the lower leagues. I'm not saying that he's some super talent scandalously being overlooked.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 25, 2018, 06:13:15 PMTo clarify, i'm saying that going on loan to Hartlepool doesn't prove anything as every year loads of players, some bad, some soon to be brilliant, are sent on loan to the lower leagues. I'm not saying that he's some super talent scandalously being overlooked.OK, I get your point. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that so far the evidence in front of us is that he played well at Hartlepool, had a few games at Reading and has done ok for Kilmarnock.It's not the best CV going is it? Yes, a lot of players go on loan at lower league clubs to improve, christ we've got and had enough of them the last couple of years and sent enough of ours out too. Clarke seems to be doing great at Port Vale, yet won't get in our team. Sulaiman is, by all accounts a great prospect too, but he's not evidenced it at a decent level yet.I'm trying to say that Tshibola is just not proving enough to warrant getting into our side with the midfielders we've currently got.