Quote from: Bad English on July 21, 2019, 09:42:04 PMQuote from: AsTallAsLions on July 21, 2019, 07:58:53 PMQuote from: Lastfootstamper on July 21, 2019, 07:30:38 PMQuote from: Virgil Caine on July 21, 2019, 07:05:42 PMQuote from: Bad English on July 21, 2019, 03:02:28 PMAt one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular. Villa are a "we", not an "it". This is definitely a US/British thing, but from a strictly grammatical perspective it would be more appropriate in a majority of cases to use singular i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer..." as you can't say "The club are...", and in this instance "the club" is the stand-in noun for Aston Villa.However, people on this side of the pond are more comfortable speaking of a team or a club as a collective, and though it's a bit awkward, "Aston Villa are..." certainly sounds better.Yes you can. It is a collective noun and can be third person singular or plural. We Brits generally prefer the plural, unlike our less-developed brethren in Gilead."The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer". There, much better!Only if the members/components of the team/club/collective entity are operating as individuals. There's a good explanation here: https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/collective-nouns.htmlIn the given example, "The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer", the club members are not operating as individuals in any express sense, so the noun takes the singular form of the verb, i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer."CC cdbullyweefan...
Quote from: AsTallAsLions on July 21, 2019, 07:58:53 PMQuote from: Lastfootstamper on July 21, 2019, 07:30:38 PMQuote from: Virgil Caine on July 21, 2019, 07:05:42 PMQuote from: Bad English on July 21, 2019, 03:02:28 PMAt one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular. Villa are a "we", not an "it". This is definitely a US/British thing, but from a strictly grammatical perspective it would be more appropriate in a majority of cases to use singular i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer..." as you can't say "The club are...", and in this instance "the club" is the stand-in noun for Aston Villa.However, people on this side of the pond are more comfortable speaking of a team or a club as a collective, and though it's a bit awkward, "Aston Villa are..." certainly sounds better.Yes you can. It is a collective noun and can be third person singular or plural. We Brits generally prefer the plural, unlike our less-developed brethren in Gilead."The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer". There, much better!
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on July 21, 2019, 07:30:38 PMQuote from: Virgil Caine on July 21, 2019, 07:05:42 PMQuote from: Bad English on July 21, 2019, 03:02:28 PMAt one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular. Villa are a "we", not an "it". This is definitely a US/British thing, but from a strictly grammatical perspective it would be more appropriate in a majority of cases to use singular i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer..." as you can't say "The club are...", and in this instance "the club" is the stand-in noun for Aston Villa.However, people on this side of the pond are more comfortable speaking of a team or a club as a collective, and though it's a bit awkward, "Aston Villa are..." certainly sounds better.
Quote from: Virgil Caine on July 21, 2019, 07:05:42 PMQuote from: Bad English on July 21, 2019, 03:02:28 PMAt one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular. Villa are a "we", not an "it".
Quote from: Bad English on July 21, 2019, 03:02:28 PMAt one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular.
At one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!
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Quote from: AsTallAsLions on July 22, 2019, 02:59:19 PMQuote from: Bad English on July 21, 2019, 09:42:04 PMQuote from: AsTallAsLions on July 21, 2019, 07:58:53 PMQuote from: Lastfootstamper on July 21, 2019, 07:30:38 PMQuote from: Virgil Caine on July 21, 2019, 07:05:42 PMQuote from: Bad English on July 21, 2019, 03:02:28 PMAt one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular. Villa are a "we", not an "it". This is definitely a US/British thing, but from a strictly grammatical perspective it would be more appropriate in a majority of cases to use singular i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer..." as you can't say "The club are...", and in this instance "the club" is the stand-in noun for Aston Villa.However, people on this side of the pond are more comfortable speaking of a team or a club as a collective, and though it's a bit awkward, "Aston Villa are..." certainly sounds better.Yes you can. It is a collective noun and can be third person singular or plural. We Brits generally prefer the plural, unlike our less-developed brethren in Gilead."The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer". There, much better!Only if the members/components of the team/club/collective entity are operating as individuals. There's a good explanation here: https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/collective-nouns.htmlIn the given example, "The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer", the club members are not operating as individuals in any express sense, so the noun takes the singular form of the verb, i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer."CC cdbullyweefan...ATAL 1. you are quoting an American English site to comment upon British usage. 2. You are trying to force prescriptive grammar down our throats when there is no need. We can say "the club 'are'" irrespective of whether the members are 'acting as individuals' or not. Either you consider the noun as a singular unit or a group, then you conjugate accordingly. It's up to you. Really.*Starts chant "We do what we want, we do what we waaaaant, we're British English, we do what we want."
Quote from: Bad English on July 22, 2019, 05:36:48 PMQuote from: AsTallAsLions on July 22, 2019, 02:59:19 PMQuote from: Bad English on July 21, 2019, 09:42:04 PMQuote from: AsTallAsLions on July 21, 2019, 07:58:53 PMQuote from: Lastfootstamper on July 21, 2019, 07:30:38 PMQuote from: Virgil Caine on July 21, 2019, 07:05:42 PMQuote from: Bad English on July 21, 2019, 03:02:28 PMAt one point he said "Aston Villa is back where it belongs", which is that dumbed-down American version of Engerlish. Tsk!I’ll bow to your superior knowledge BE but I thought when dealing with single entities such as Aston Villa that one should you the singular ‘is’ rather tha ‘are’. It has always confused me as it reads as a tad clunky but certainly my company always uses the singular. Villa are a "we", not an "it". This is definitely a US/British thing, but from a strictly grammatical perspective it would be more appropriate in a majority of cases to use singular i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer..." as you can't say "The club are...", and in this instance "the club" is the stand-in noun for Aston Villa.However, people on this side of the pond are more comfortable speaking of a team or a club as a collective, and though it's a bit awkward, "Aston Villa are..." certainly sounds better.Yes you can. It is a collective noun and can be third person singular or plural. We Brits generally prefer the plural, unlike our less-developed brethren in Gilead."The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer". There, much better!Only if the members/components of the team/club/collective entity are operating as individuals. There's a good explanation here: https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/collective-nouns.htmlIn the given example, "The club are expected to make their tenth signing of the summer", the club members are not operating as individuals in any express sense, so the noun takes the singular form of the verb, i.e. "The club is expected to make its tenth signing of the summer."CC cdbullyweefan...ATAL 1. you are quoting an American English site to comment upon British usage. 2. You are trying to force prescriptive grammar down our throats when there is no need. We can say "the club 'are'" irrespective of whether the members are 'acting as individuals' or not. Either you consider the noun as a singular unit or a group, then you conjugate accordingly. It's up to you. Really.*Starts chant "We do what we want, we do what we waaaaant, we're British English, we do what we want."Apropos something totally different - how come Hyperbole is "Hyperb-ole" while it isn't "Hyperb-olic" - double standards clearly?
If you're talking about pronunciation, "hyperbole" should be said as if it has four syllables. "Hy-per-bol-e".Otherwise I'm confused as to what you are asking.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 23, 2019, 10:32:27 AMIf you're talking about pronunciation, "hyperbole" should be said as if it has four syllables. "Hy-per-bol-e".Otherwise I'm confused as to what you are asking.This is why you have education systems with 'English teachers'. ;-)
I know he's hardly Mr Slick, but there's something about Jack Woodward that's just so Villa.
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