Based on the job he did at Norwich he was highly rated and rightly so concerning what he did there. My concern was the bang average to poor jobs he had done everywhere else he had been at before Norwich. And that has continued ever since Norwich.
If you take almost any side and stick a top class (for the relevant level) in it, it will make the rest of the side and the manager look better. Look at Brendan Rodgers with Suarez.
Watching his antics on Saturday on TV, with him track-suited up waving his arms around like a plane propeller taking occasional sips of water, pointing at nothing in particular - all the actions of someone uncomfortable in what they were doing trying to convince us otherwise. He's Stoke's problem now but won't be for much longer I'm sure.
I lost patience with him when he just kept telling us how good we were when we all knew we were shit
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 08, 2018, 09:56:42 PMQuote from: Stu on May 08, 2018, 08:01:17 PMQuote from: Chico Hamilton III on May 08, 2018, 10:42:03 AMGreat image from Stoke on Saturdayhttps://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/07/paul-lambert-stoke-manager-future-contract-clause#img-1Remember the 8-0 at Chelsea, mate? I'll never forgive him for that. He should have been fired the next day.Should MON have been fired for the 7-1 defeat there with a much better side?Hindsight is great but at the time it was our first defeat in 7, we'd just smashed Liverpool at Anfield, and were in a cup semi final with a near bye to the final.But the big picture is that the Chelsea defeat under MON came in a run of three consecutive top six finishes. Under Lambert we finished 15th twice and were 18th when he was sacked. So the contexts of the Chelsea defeats under each manager were totally different.
Quote from: Stu on May 08, 2018, 08:01:17 PMQuote from: Chico Hamilton III on May 08, 2018, 10:42:03 AMGreat image from Stoke on Saturdayhttps://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/07/paul-lambert-stoke-manager-future-contract-clause#img-1Remember the 8-0 at Chelsea, mate? I'll never forgive him for that. He should have been fired the next day.Should MON have been fired for the 7-1 defeat there with a much better side?Hindsight is great but at the time it was our first defeat in 7, we'd just smashed Liverpool at Anfield, and were in a cup semi final with a near bye to the final.
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on May 08, 2018, 10:42:03 AMGreat image from Stoke on Saturdayhttps://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/07/paul-lambert-stoke-manager-future-contract-clause#img-1Remember the 8-0 at Chelsea, mate? I'll never forgive him for that. He should have been fired the next day.
Great image from Stoke on Saturdayhttps://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/07/paul-lambert-stoke-manager-future-contract-clause#img-1
Quote from: Damo70 on May 09, 2018, 12:12:29 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on May 09, 2018, 11:58:10 AMQuote from: Bren'd on May 09, 2018, 11:37:03 AMLambert is or has been the latest 'fashion manager'. By that I mean he is or rather was the latest new thing. A successful playing career with Celtic and then with Dortmund which resulted in the big cup. Obviously with this playing experience he learnt a thing or two at what was the latest 'fashion club' - Dortmund and the Dortmund way of playing. As a manager he would bring some of that style combined with his own experience to any managerial role. We know this because he mumbled it so. We were all sucked in by it because of his middling success at Norwich. "If he can do that with them just think what he could do for us with a bit of cash"? That's what we thought and that's what Lerner thought. The club would now be in safe hands at last. Lerner wouldn't need to attend games to see what was actually going on because he had a trusted steed who would report back that we were often "brilliant"/"excellent" even "outstanding" despite the results and the many humiliations. We muddled on he mumbled on meaning we probably muddled that bit more. Watching his antics on Saturday on TV, with him track-suited up waving his arms around like a plane propeller taking occasional sips of water, pointing at nothing in particular - all the actions of someone uncomfortable in what they were doing trying to convince us otherwise. He's Stoke's problem now but won't be for much longer I'm sure.He was a fashionable manager at the time of his appointment and had done very well at Norwich getting back-to-back promotions and a solid season in the top flight. On that basis, I don't think his appointment was a bad one, but he soon got found out and should have gone far sooner than he did.Based on the job he did at Norwich he was highly rated and rightly so concerning what he did there. My concern was the bang average to poor jobs he had done everywhere else he had been at before Norwich. And that has continued ever since Norwich.Together with Roberto Martinez and Brendan Rogers Paul Lambert was meant to be the new "Golden Generation" of managers.As regards the jobs Paul Lambert had done elsewhere was he not very good in the post he had before Norwich?
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 09, 2018, 11:58:10 AMQuote from: Bren'd on May 09, 2018, 11:37:03 AMLambert is or has been the latest 'fashion manager'. By that I mean he is or rather was the latest new thing. A successful playing career with Celtic and then with Dortmund which resulted in the big cup. Obviously with this playing experience he learnt a thing or two at what was the latest 'fashion club' - Dortmund and the Dortmund way of playing. As a manager he would bring some of that style combined with his own experience to any managerial role. We know this because he mumbled it so. We were all sucked in by it because of his middling success at Norwich. "If he can do that with them just think what he could do for us with a bit of cash"? That's what we thought and that's what Lerner thought. The club would now be in safe hands at last. Lerner wouldn't need to attend games to see what was actually going on because he had a trusted steed who would report back that we were often "brilliant"/"excellent" even "outstanding" despite the results and the many humiliations. We muddled on he mumbled on meaning we probably muddled that bit more. Watching his antics on Saturday on TV, with him track-suited up waving his arms around like a plane propeller taking occasional sips of water, pointing at nothing in particular - all the actions of someone uncomfortable in what they were doing trying to convince us otherwise. He's Stoke's problem now but won't be for much longer I'm sure.He was a fashionable manager at the time of his appointment and had done very well at Norwich getting back-to-back promotions and a solid season in the top flight. On that basis, I don't think his appointment was a bad one, but he soon got found out and should have gone far sooner than he did.Based on the job he did at Norwich he was highly rated and rightly so concerning what he did there. My concern was the bang average to poor jobs he had done everywhere else he had been at before Norwich. And that has continued ever since Norwich.
Quote from: Bren'd on May 09, 2018, 11:37:03 AMLambert is or has been the latest 'fashion manager'. By that I mean he is or rather was the latest new thing. A successful playing career with Celtic and then with Dortmund which resulted in the big cup. Obviously with this playing experience he learnt a thing or two at what was the latest 'fashion club' - Dortmund and the Dortmund way of playing. As a manager he would bring some of that style combined with his own experience to any managerial role. We know this because he mumbled it so. We were all sucked in by it because of his middling success at Norwich. "If he can do that with them just think what he could do for us with a bit of cash"? That's what we thought and that's what Lerner thought. The club would now be in safe hands at last. Lerner wouldn't need to attend games to see what was actually going on because he had a trusted steed who would report back that we were often "brilliant"/"excellent" even "outstanding" despite the results and the many humiliations. We muddled on he mumbled on meaning we probably muddled that bit more. Watching his antics on Saturday on TV, with him track-suited up waving his arms around like a plane propeller taking occasional sips of water, pointing at nothing in particular - all the actions of someone uncomfortable in what they were doing trying to convince us otherwise. He's Stoke's problem now but won't be for much longer I'm sure.He was a fashionable manager at the time of his appointment and had done very well at Norwich getting back-to-back promotions and a solid season in the top flight. On that basis, I don't think his appointment was a bad one, but he soon got found out and should have gone far sooner than he did.
Lambert is or has been the latest 'fashion manager'. By that I mean he is or rather was the latest new thing. A successful playing career with Celtic and then with Dortmund which resulted in the big cup. Obviously with this playing experience he learnt a thing or two at what was the latest 'fashion club' - Dortmund and the Dortmund way of playing. As a manager he would bring some of that style combined with his own experience to any managerial role. We know this because he mumbled it so. We were all sucked in by it because of his middling success at Norwich. "If he can do that with them just think what he could do for us with a bit of cash"? That's what we thought and that's what Lerner thought. The club would now be in safe hands at last. Lerner wouldn't need to attend games to see what was actually going on because he had a trusted steed who would report back that we were often "brilliant"/"excellent" even "outstanding" despite the results and the many humiliations. We muddled on he mumbled on meaning we probably muddled that bit more. Watching his antics on Saturday on TV, with him track-suited up waving his arms around like a plane propeller taking occasional sips of water, pointing at nothing in particular - all the actions of someone uncomfortable in what they were doing trying to convince us otherwise. He's Stoke's problem now but won't be for much longer I'm sure.
What's the big attraction with our last manager but three?