Stanley Victor Collymore

[peter w]

I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

Which can be if not explained by his illness be caused because of his illness. Depression can make the sufferer feel a range of debilitating emotions on the same violent timeline from irrational irritability, through to deep rooted hatred, to violent outbursts. It doesn't need to be caused by what the sufferer sees somebody else see or do (Ulrika chatting to Ally McCoist) but the inability to deal with the internal emotions that have no bearing on the outside world and what is happening at any given time.

just to think you could explain it as some bloke is hitting some women is doing yourself and every sufferer of the illness an injustice. it also shows your ignorance of the illness.

Christ I'm going to have to lie down, I'm agreeing with peter w.

Okore's a wanker.


May as well throw it in.

[peter w]

I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

Which can be if not explained by his illness but be caused by his illness. Depression can make the sufferer feel a range of debilitating emotions on the same violent timeline from irrational irritability, through to deep rooted hatred, to violent outbursts. It doesn't need to be caused by what the sufferer sees somebody else see or do (Ulrika chatting to Ally McCoist) but the inability to deal with the internal emotions that have no bearing on the outside world and what is happening at any given time.

just to think you could explain it as some bloke hitting some woman, is doing yourself and every sufferer of the illness an injustice. it also shows your ignorance of the illness.

That last paragraph doesn't even make any sense.

Probably does now.

Unlike your stance on this.

[peter w]

Just one more point and I promise I'll not comment on this thread again. How do you shoehorn into your mitigation the fact that Stan was drinking at the time of the incident?

It has no bearing on it.

[Villa in Denmark]

I assume you're implying that it was the fact that he was pissed rather than a depressive episode that led to the incident.

In my experience, generally drink takes any depressive tendencies and amplifies them. Especially the more nihilistic tendencies.

I can't remember if he was diagnosed at that point, but if he was on some of the SSRI treatments such as Citalopram then the depressive tendencies can be rapidly amplified in some people

[Villa in Denmark]

I'm not defending the Ulrika thing but he slapped her and paid ever since. He'll regret it every day but no one crucifies Gazza for hitting Cheryl

It was more than a slap. She was punched and kicked in the head. He's a charmer our Stan...

Which can be if not explained by his illness be caused because of his illness. Depression can make the sufferer feel a range of debilitating emotions on the same violent timeline from irrational irritability, through to deep rooted hatred, to violent outbursts. It doesn't need to be caused by what the sufferer sees somebody else see or do (Ulrika chatting to Ally McCoist) but the inability to deal with the internal emotions that have no bearing on the outside world and what is happening at any given time.

just to think you could explain it as some bloke is hitting some women is doing yourself and every sufferer of the illness an injustice. it also shows your ignorance of the illness.

Christ I'm going to have to lie down, I'm agreeing with peter w.

Okore's a wanker.


May as well throw it in.

So are people who still believe in the blessed St Eric of Blackness. Purveyor of bullshit and bollocks to anyone who'll listen.

[peter w]

I assume you're implying that it was the fact that he was pissed rather than a depressive episode that led to the incident.

In my experience, generally drink takes any depressive tendencies and amplifies them. Especially the more nihilistic tendencies.

I can't remember if he was diagnosed at that point, but if he was on some of the SSRI treatments such as Citalopram then the depressive tendencies can be rapidly amplified in some people

Me? Quite the opposite. Drink amplifies any tendencies as most will know, but it doesn't bring on the state of mind of the depressive. In fact its very rare that a sufferer from depression will be able to drink enough on a night out for that to influence their behaviour. At home, in their solitude, it is more likely to be the case. But out with other people the depression will mean they actually probably drink less than usual due to wanting to be left alone, not go to a bar to order for themselves (so they don't have to interact with bar staff), not wanting to be talked to so not asked if they want a drink - thus drinking very slowly...obviously this is not the case for every person in every situation - but if Collymore was at the rage stage that would have had nothing to do with excessive alcohol.

[Lucky Eddie]

I assume you're implying that it was the fact that he was pissed rather than a depressive episode that led to the incident.

In my experience, generally drink takes any depressive tendencies and amplifies them. Especially the more nihilistic tendencies.

I can't remember if he was diagnosed at that point, but if he was on some of the SSRI treatments such as Citalopram then the depressive tendencies can be rapidly amplified in some people

Me? Quite the opposite. Drink amplifies any tendencies as most will know, but it doesn't bring on the state of mind of the depressive. In fact its very rare that a sufferer from depression will be able to drink enough on a night out for that to influence their behaviour. At home, in their solitude, it is more likely to be the case. But out with other people the depression will mean they actually probably drink less than usual due to wanting to be left alone, not go to a bar to order for themselves (so they don't have to interact with bar staff), not wanting to be talked to so not asked if they want a drink - thus drinking very slowly...obviously this is not the case for every person in every situation - but if Collymore was at the rage stage that would have had nothing to do with excessive alcohol.

Are you being serious?

Excess alcohol has nothing to do with violent massive over reaction!

Nothing at all?

[sickbeggar]

Hmmm, having known a few people suffering from depression i'm not sure violence to others is part of most people's symptons and they wouldn't be too pleased to think others thought that they would suddenly attack them at the drop of the hat with or without alcohol.  Getting a serious illness whether that be depression or cancer etc., is non-discriminatory so it tends to happen to as many assholes as nice people and in SVC's case  i'd say the illness only amplified his actions not created them.

[peter w]

I assume you're implying that it was the fact that he was pissed rather than a depressive episode that led to the incident.

In my experience, generally drink takes any depressive tendencies and amplifies them. Especially the more nihilistic tendencies.

I can't remember if he was diagnosed at that point, but if he was on some of the SSRI treatments such as Citalopram then the depressive tendencies can be rapidly amplified in some people

Me? Quite the opposite. Drink amplifies any tendencies as most will know, but it doesn't bring on the state of mind of the depressive. In fact its very rare that a sufferer from depression will be able to drink enough on a night out for that to influence their behaviour. At home, in their solitude, it is more likely to be the case. But out with other people the depression will mean they actually probably drink less than usual due to wanting to be left alone, not go to a bar to order for themselves (so they don't have to interact with bar staff), not wanting to be talked to so not asked if they want a drink - thus drinking very slowly...obviously this is not the case for every person in every situation - but if Collymore was at the rage stage that would have had nothing to do with excessive alcohol.

Are you being serious?

Excess alcohol has nothing to do with violent massive over reaction!

Nothing at all?

That's a different question. I'm talking about a depressive's state of mind. it's very rare that if they are having an episode that is making them feel vulnerable they are in any position to drink copious amounts of alcohol surrounded by people. When they get home then they will drink more for comfort, to punish themselves whatever. But no, it is highly unlikely that in Collymore's case that excessive alcohol contributed to his violent reaction.

[Lucky Eddie]

I think every landlord in the country would disagree.

Even small amounts of alcohol always play a part.

[peter w]

Well unless every landlord has a psychology degree or is a behaviourist then I think other than pulling pints their opinion hardly counts.

[Lucky Eddie]

Well unless every landlord has a psychology degree or is a behaviourist then I think other than pulling pints their opinion hardly counts.

So their years of experience of human behaviour counts for nothing?

Are you being serious?

[Stirchley Villain]

Just one more point and I promise I'll not comment on this thread again. How do you shoehorn into your mitigation the fact that Stan was drinking at the time of the incident?

It has no bearing on it.

Rubbish. And you know it.

[Stirchley Villain]

I assume you're implying that it was the fact that he was pissed rather than a depressive episode that led to the incident.

In my experience, generally drink takes any depressive tendencies and amplifies them. Especially the more nihilistic tendencies.

I can't remember if he was diagnosed at that point, but if he was on some of the SSRI treatments such as Citalopram then the depressive tendencies can be rapidly amplified in some people

Me? Quite the opposite. Drink amplifies any tendencies as most will know, but it doesn't bring on the state of mind of the depressive. In fact its very rare that a sufferer from depression will be able to drink enough on a night out for that to influence their behaviour. At home, in their solitude, it is more likely to be the case. But out with other people the depression will mean they actually probably drink less than usual due to wanting to be left alone, not go to a bar to order for themselves (so they don't have to interact with bar staff), not wanting to be talked to so not asked if they want a drink - thus drinking very slowly...obviously this is not the case for every person in every situation - but if Collymore was at the rage stage that would have had nothing to do with excessive alcohol.

Are you being serious?

Excess alcohol has nothing to do with violent massive over reaction!

Nothing at all?

That's a different question. I'm talking about a depressive's state of mind. it's very rare that if they are having an episode that is making them feel vulnerable they are in any position to drink copious amounts of alcohol surrounded by people. When they get home then they will drink more for comfort, to punish themselves whatever. But no, it is highly unlikely that in Collymore's case that excessive alcohol contributed to his violent reaction.

I was beginning to think you might know what you're talking about for a minute...

[ChicagoLion]

Well unless every landlord has a psychology degree or is a behaviourist then I think other than pulling pints their opinion hardly counts.

Come on, you know as well as I do "that I heard it from a bloke down the pub" is gospel and can not be challenged.
So a landlord that is in the pub all the time must be, the font of all knowledge.
Cheers!