Isn't it time to take matters into our own hands. A 3/4 full Villa Park being served up constant dross is often tame, at times bordering on mutinous, but (off the top of my head) games like Bradford in Div 2 & Liverpool on the last day of the old Holte, were games where the team were driven over the line by the sheer noise of the crowd - despite how shit or nervous the team was. Recently Albion games last season and possibly more so the semi final at Wembley show what a difference having a partisan backing can have. Leicester & Palace are no great shakes and cannot match VP at full noise but they continually squeeze out results at home due to the will of their support. It's kind of get the team home despite the tool in charge and the lack of cohesion in front of our eyes, cos sadly that is unlikely to change quickly and we run the risk of becoming part of an ever decreasing circle of failure unless we take control together
Quote from: Reuben on October 05, 2015, 03:06:44 PMI hoped that Sherwood would turn things around with home form after the turnaround v Leicester in the cup.There were a few wins...but he had several easyish games at the end of last season to improve this yet got one point from Stoke, Swansea, QPR and Burnley.You are right though - even under MON we were better away. Was it 76/77 where we had an amazing home record? It was before my time but I remember being amazed that we could have such stats!We lost one home game that season, to non-league opposition. It's been said before, but Fortress Villa Park has never existed.
I hoped that Sherwood would turn things around with home form after the turnaround v Leicester in the cup.There were a few wins...but he had several easyish games at the end of last season to improve this yet got one point from Stoke, Swansea, QPR and Burnley.You are right though - even under MON we were better away. Was it 76/77 where we had an amazing home record? It was before my time but I remember being amazed that we could have such stats!
Quote from: A Northern Soul on October 05, 2015, 11:01:12 PMIsn't it time to take matters into our own hands. A 3/4 full Villa Park being served up constant dross is often tame, at times bordering on mutinous, but (off the top of my head) games like Bradford in Div 2 & Liverpool on the last day of the old Holte, were games where the team were driven over the line by the sheer noise of the crowd - despite how shit or nervous the team was. Recently Albion games last season and possibly more so the semi final at Wembley show what a difference having a partisan backing can have. Leicester & Palace are no great shakes and cannot match VP at full noise but they continually squeeze out results at home due to the will of their support. It's kind of get the team home despite the tool in charge and the lack of cohesion in front of our eyes, cos sadly that is unlikely to change quickly and we run the risk of becoming part of an ever decreasing circle of failure unless we take control togetherWith the exception of the higher profile games, I've always found the lack of vocal support at Villa Park bewildering and frustrating at times. I've always stood at the back of the Holte and always give my vocal support but I've never understood why the place feels like a morgue at times. The back of the Holte does sing but this very rarely cascades its way down the Holte or around the ground in week-to-week league games. Sure we've had to endure watching some dire shite, but the crowd is very much reactive rather than proactive. This is more of an observation than a criticism, and its been like it for as long as I can remember.
Despite our shiteness at home we have maintained decent crowds over the last few years.Am I right in saying that our average attendances have gone up year on year for the last 3 seasons or so?
Quote from: Ads on October 05, 2015, 03:39:01 PMQuote from: itbrvilla on October 05, 2015, 03:31:26 PMQuote from: Ads on October 05, 2015, 03:21:33 PMI love my mileage versus wins comparisons, so I had a look the other day.Since the 2010/11 season we’ve won 27 out of 99 at home. We actually won eight home games that year.You can factor O’Neill into it too, as we only won 8 home games in the league the year before, which is the reason why we failed to qualify for the Champions League. Part of the reason under O’Neill was that we were too one dimensional in that we had to get it wide quick and in behind to square them up or hit them on the break. All but four or five sides and Bolton would come and park the bus, so we struggled to break them down.Under the subsequent managers it’s been a real absence of quality in the midfield to either cover the back four or supply the front men. We bizarrely have some quality players in Grealish, Gil, Traore, Gana, Veretout and Sancherz to choose from now, but we lack cohesion and organisation.Its always been a very easy place to come and play. Its a wonderful ground and its that grandeur that allows lesser teams to raise their game. Dreadful reading .Sorry, that should have read 09/10 season under O'Neill. Its been 99 games since then, which for me is 17,028 miles at a rate of 631 miles per win.I love mil miles v wins v cost comparisons. I enjoy reading your stats - what are the costs then?
Quote from: itbrvilla on October 05, 2015, 03:31:26 PMQuote from: Ads on October 05, 2015, 03:21:33 PMI love my mileage versus wins comparisons, so I had a look the other day.Since the 2010/11 season we’ve won 27 out of 99 at home. We actually won eight home games that year.You can factor O’Neill into it too, as we only won 8 home games in the league the year before, which is the reason why we failed to qualify for the Champions League. Part of the reason under O’Neill was that we were too one dimensional in that we had to get it wide quick and in behind to square them up or hit them on the break. All but four or five sides and Bolton would come and park the bus, so we struggled to break them down.Under the subsequent managers it’s been a real absence of quality in the midfield to either cover the back four or supply the front men. We bizarrely have some quality players in Grealish, Gil, Traore, Gana, Veretout and Sancherz to choose from now, but we lack cohesion and organisation.Its always been a very easy place to come and play. Its a wonderful ground and its that grandeur that allows lesser teams to raise their game. Dreadful reading .Sorry, that should have read 09/10 season under O'Neill. Its been 99 games since then, which for me is 17,028 miles at a rate of 631 miles per win.I love mil miles v wins v cost comparisons.
Quote from: Ads on October 05, 2015, 03:21:33 PMI love my mileage versus wins comparisons, so I had a look the other day.Since the 2010/11 season we’ve won 27 out of 99 at home. We actually won eight home games that year.You can factor O’Neill into it too, as we only won 8 home games in the league the year before, which is the reason why we failed to qualify for the Champions League. Part of the reason under O’Neill was that we were too one dimensional in that we had to get it wide quick and in behind to square them up or hit them on the break. All but four or five sides and Bolton would come and park the bus, so we struggled to break them down.Under the subsequent managers it’s been a real absence of quality in the midfield to either cover the back four or supply the front men. We bizarrely have some quality players in Grealish, Gil, Traore, Gana, Veretout and Sancherz to choose from now, but we lack cohesion and organisation.Its always been a very easy place to come and play. Its a wonderful ground and its that grandeur that allows lesser teams to raise their game. Dreadful reading .
I love my mileage versus wins comparisons, so I had a look the other day.Since the 2010/11 season we’ve won 27 out of 99 at home. We actually won eight home games that year.You can factor O’Neill into it too, as we only won 8 home games in the league the year before, which is the reason why we failed to qualify for the Champions League. Part of the reason under O’Neill was that we were too one dimensional in that we had to get it wide quick and in behind to square them up or hit them on the break. All but four or five sides and Bolton would come and park the bus, so we struggled to break them down.Under the subsequent managers it’s been a real absence of quality in the midfield to either cover the back four or supply the front men. We bizarrely have some quality players in Grealish, Gil, Traore, Gana, Veretout and Sancherz to choose from now, but we lack cohesion and organisation.Its always been a very easy place to come and play. Its a wonderful ground and its that grandeur that allows lesser teams to raise their game.
It's another debate altogether but you could argue that we may be 'happier' winning games in the Championship rather than losing every week in the PL.I guess there is every chance we might find out in due course.
Quote from: somec on October 06, 2015, 02:46:08 PMDespite our shiteness at home we have maintained decent crowds over the last few years.Am I right in saying that our average attendances have gone up year on year for the last 3 seasons or so?Dropped nearly 2K last season. We're at our usual average of around 34-36K.