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Online dave shelley

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Re: CCFC's obsession with Villa?
« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2015, 10:10:49 AM »
That's a strange claim from strange supporters.

Everton have not been relegated since WW11 ended either, believe me.

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Re: CCFC's obsession with Villa?
« Reply #76 on: July 22, 2015, 10:18:58 AM »



That's a strange claim from strange supporters.

Everton have not been relegated since WW11 ended either, believe me.

From "toffee-web site"  - Wikipedia !!! for what it's worth also back it up[quote

THE SLIM DECADES

The years after the war, at the end of the forties and the start of the fifties, are the worst times in the history of Everton.

Everton were relegated after the 1950-51 season for only the second time (and the last!) to the Second Division. This time it wasn't an accident, and it took more time to get back than in 1930-31. It took three seasons before the team got back to the top-flight in 1954 as the runners-up. Promotion was not decided until the last match of the season, when the Toffees beat Oldham away 4-0.

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Re: CCFC's obsession with Villa?
« Reply #77 on: July 22, 2015, 10:21:36 AM »
Everton were relegated in the early 1950s.

Arsenal have only finished in the relegation places once but were never actually relegated for some reason which I cant recall

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Re: CCFC's obsession with Villa?
« Reply #78 on: July 22, 2015, 10:26:35 AM »
Arsenal and Everton have never been relegated from the top division of English football as far as I know.

They have. A while back, mind. Not sure about Everton exactly (pretty sure they've got a relegation post-WW2, but I wouldn't put too much money on it), but Arsenal definitely went down before WW1, then whinged to get back in in1919, I think, and I'd put a bit more on that!

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Re: CCFC's obsession with Villa?
« Reply #79 on: July 22, 2015, 10:26:43 AM »



That's a strange claim from strange supporters.

Everton have not been relegated since WW11 ended either, believe me.

From "toffee-web site"  - Wikipedia !!! for what it's worth also back it up[quote

THE SLIM DECADES

The years after the war, at the end of the forties and the start of the fifties, are the worst times in the history of Everton.

Everton were relegated after the 1950-51 season for only the second time (and the last!) to the Second Division. This time it wasn't an accident, and it took more time to get back than in 1930-31. It took three seasons before the team got back to the top-flight in 1954 as the runners-up. Promotion was not decided until the last match of the season, when the Toffees beat Oldham away 4-0.


That's what you get for not checking.  :-[. I was convinced I'd read somewhere that Everton were top-flight ever presents.  That'll teach me.

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Re: CCFC's obsession with Villa?
« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2015, 10:35:26 AM »



That's a strange claim from strange supporters.

Everton have not been relegated since WW11 ended either, believe me.

From "toffee-web site"  - Wikipedia !!! for what it's worth also back it up[quote

THE SLIM DECADES

The years after the war, at the end of the forties and the start of the fifties, are the worst times in the history of Everton.

Everton were relegated after the 1950-51 season for only the second time (and the last!) to the Second Division. This time it wasn't an accident, and it took more time to get back than in 1930-31. It took three seasons before the team got back to the top-flight in 1954 as the runners-up. Promotion was not decided until the last match of the season, when the Toffees beat Oldham away 4-0.


That's what you get for not checking.  :-[. I was convinced I'd read somewhere that Everton were top-flight ever presents.  That'll teach me.

Think Everton have spent the most
 seasons in the top flight & Arsenal the most consecutive

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Re: CCFC's obsession with Villa?
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2015, 10:41:21 PM »
Everton were relegated in the early 1950s.

Arsenal have only finished in the relegation places once but were never actually relegated for some reason which I cant recall

Quote from: AISA Arsenal History Society
One of the many myths of Arsenal’s history is that the club has never been relegated. Unfortunately, this is not so. Even worse is that when they were relegated it was with one of the worst records ever.

The fateful day when Arsenal were relegated was 12 April 1913. Prior to this date they had been hanging on by the skin of their teeth, mainly because Chelsea were having a pretty poor season as well. That morning the bottom of the First Division table looked like this:

                               Pld   W   D   L   F   A   Pts   GA
17   Tottenham Hotspur   35   12   5   18   43   67   29   0.64
18   Chelsea                   35   8   6   21   42   71   22   0.59
19   Notts County           35   6   8   21   24   50   20   0.48
20   Arsenal                   35   3   10   22   23   70   16   0.33

Taken from AISA Arsenal History Society: preserving Arsenal's heritage

Which apparently coincided with them moving to Highbury

It's their return to the top division after WWI that's controversial.

Quote from: ESPN
Four months after Armistice Day brought a halt to battle on the Western Front in November 1918, the authorities sought to revitalise football and the First Division was to be resurrected and expanded to 22 clubs from 20. Tradition dictated the bottom two clubs from the previous season - Chelsea and Tottenham - would be handed a reprieve, and that the top two clubs in the Second Division - Derby and Preston - would be promoted.

Certainly Chelsea were in a strong position, as the club had only fallen into the relegation zone in 1914-15 due to a notorious match-fixing scandal involving Manchester United and Liverpool. As events transpired, they retained their place without a vote being taken by the Football League at the crucial meeting because, as reports at the time stated, "the manner in which they lost their position before war interfered with the game is generally regarded as unsatisfactory".


Tottenham were fully expected to join Chelsea in the top flight, but then Arsenal, led by Norris, made an audacious move. Based partially on their longer service in the Football League (Arsenal were the first southern side to join in 1893), Norris argued that the Gunners were more deserving of a place than Tottenham, let along Barnsley and Wolves, who had both finished above them in the final Second Division season before the war. Following Arsenal's lead, Nottingham Forest, Birmingham and Hull all submitted their own applications and, with the promoted Derby and Preston ushered into the top flight, a seven-way tussle was underway for the final place in the expanded 22-team division.

The Daily Express recorded the anticipation felt ahead of the meeting in Manchester on March 10, 1919: "London was never more intimately concerned with Football League deliberations than on this occasion... There is an understanding that Chelsea will be voted into the First Division, and when the present scheme was first mooted it was regarded as a matter of course that they would be accompanied by Tottenham Hotspur, but The Arsenal considered that they had a superior claim and issued an appeal to the clubs to vote for them in preference to the Spurs ... there is a strong body of opinion that considers Tottenham Hotspur ought to remain in the First Division."

It was almost certain that the place would go to a side from the capital - after all, an unnamed northern official told the Daily Mirror, "our boys like a visit to London once or twice a year ... they get a show at the theatres and see something of the great city. The directors also enjoy a visit to the big smoke" - but momentum swung decisively in Arsenal's favour when League chairman and Liverpool owner John McKenna, a close friend of Norris, urged clubs to vote in favour of the Gunners as they had joined the League some 15 years before Tottenham.

When the votes were counted, Arsenal had won the support of 18 clubs, Tottenham 8, Barnsley 5, Wolves 5, Forest 3, Birmingham 2 and Hull 1. Despite finishing fifth in the Second Division in the final season before the Football League was suspended, it was Arsenal who would occupy a place in the top flight, and not their neighbours Tottenham.

Link to full article

Particulalrly the 1919 story is very partisan with all manner of accusations lobbed in Arsenal's direction from some Spurs articles and some rather testy defences in some Arsenal articles, which is why I've ended up using the ESPN article, as roughly consistent with most of the various versions I've heard / read down the years without teading towards some of the more contentious theories as to how the decision came to be.

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Re: CCFC's obsession with Villa?
« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2015, 11:04:10 PM »
Currently Bournemouth are the only club never to have been relegated from the top flight.

Edit- apart from all the teams who've never been in the top flight of course

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Re: CCFC's obsession with Villa?
« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2015, 11:55:58 PM »
One of my favourite days, relegating them.

Especially the way we went about it with them creaming themselves at halftime thinking they were staying up.

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Re: CCFC's obsession with Villa?
« Reply #84 on: July 23, 2015, 12:30:34 AM »
Our obsession with CCFC's obsession with Villa.

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Re: CCFC's obsession with Villa?
« Reply #85 on: July 23, 2015, 01:05:20 AM »
Honestly had no idea who CCFC were until I opened the thread and I go to the Ricoh's casino every month.

Offline Pat McMahon

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Re: CCFC's obsession with Villa?
« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2015, 01:56:05 PM »
I've never been bothered by Coventry. When I was a kid we always beat them, took thousands to games at Highfield Rd and I never had the slightest bit of bother there (because of our numbers). They are just the 5th nearest team to us (I think).

I recall watching MOTD on the night of the 1975 league cup final and Coventry were featured at home. Thier fans were singing Villa / Norwich in that old Rangers / Celtic way.

 


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