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Author Topic: Neutral section at VP?  (Read 7874 times)

Online Brend'Watkins

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2014, 11:29:35 PM »
No. A big no too. It's a recipe for disaster for 90% of our games.

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2014, 11:32:25 PM »
The whole idea just screams Mickey Mouse. If the club adopted this idea it would show that they'd given up on the possibility of Villa ever being good enough to attract 40,000 Villa fans to a game again.

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2014, 11:34:19 PM »
Not a neutral section, no. A family stand though, where both sections of fans can go. To qualify you should either be under 12 (or with an under 12) or over 65.

Which stand are you choosing for this and would long-term season ticket holders who don't meet the criteria be thrown out?
I don't think the demand would warrant a whole stand. How about four sections of the Witton or the Trinity? And any current season ticket holders are moved to a parallel section (so at most a few dozen seats in one direction or another) with a discount for the first year to compensate for their trouble. And if it doesn't work then after a couple of seasons it's quietly shelved. And they can move back if they really want to.

I'm yet to hear an actual reason why this wouldn't be a positive thing to try beyond some sort of emasculated "but we're too important to do something like this".
« Last Edit: December 23, 2014, 11:37:12 PM by Dave »

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2014, 11:38:08 PM »
The whole idea just screams Mickey Mouse. If the club adopted this idea it would show that they'd given up on the possibility of Villa ever being good enough to attract 40,000 Villa fans to a game again.

I agree.

it is a horrible idea.

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2014, 11:44:15 PM »
How can it be a positive thing to encourage Brummie Reds? The only games that would attract any interest in the neutral end would be the games that are close to sell-out anyway.

I fail to see how allowing an extra two hundred Man U, sorry "neutral", fans in is going to help the club long-term.

We need to be focussing on ways of attracting more Villa fans to games, including those who've lapsed over the last few years, rather than worrying about encouraging day-tripping scum who want to cheer for a team whose home city they've never visited.

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2014, 12:11:39 AM »
I don't mean a whole stand, just a section. Probably where it is, close to the tunnel.

All teams should be forced to do it. I've no doubt there are plenty of folk who have thought twice about taking villa youngsters away. Our crew all stand  so the existing arrangements don't work.

I'm struggling to understand why people think it small time to encourage young people to football matches, regardless of who they choose to support. If a load of brummie reds turn up,  then we should be trying to charm them all with villa merchandise.

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2014, 12:14:50 AM »
So if we get a gate of 40,000... including, say, a few hundred Manure scum in the neutral end... we let all the Villa fans leave empty-handed but give every Brummie Red that jumps up when "their" team scores a bunch of free Villa kit that they probably don't want... that's going to encourage more Villa fans to attend?

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2014, 12:15:44 AM »
So if we get a gate of 40,000... including, say, a few hundred Manure scum in the neutral end... we let all the Villa fans leave empty-handed but give every Brummie Red that jumps up when "their" team scores a bunch of free Villa kit that they probably don't want... that's going to encourage more Villa fans to attend?

There's probably more chance of that making them become Villa fans than the "football" on offer, mind.

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2014, 12:18:06 AM »
So if we get a gate of 40,000... including, say, a few hundred Manure scum in the neutral end... we let all the Villa fans leave empty-handed but give every Brummie Red that jumps up when "their" team scores a bunch of free Villa kit that they probably don't want... that's going to encourage more Villa fans to attend?

cd, old chap. You're a decent, egalitarian believer in freedom, democracy and the rights of man. Do you honestly, truly, think that the word 'scum' is appropriate for someone who just happens to support a different football team to you?

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2014, 12:26:48 AM »
Not if the team is, say, Swansea or Bolton.

If it's those bunch of wankers, "scum" is mild.

In any case attempting to bring "real World" logic into football is no fun. There's a load of us Socialists on here who follow a game which is, basically, more rampantly-capitalist than Keith Joseph, reading "The Wealth of Nations" while setting fire to an NHS hospital.

I try not to mix football and things like politics and common decency as it makes my head spin.

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2014, 12:32:09 AM »
Not if the team is, say, Swansea or Bolton.

If it's those bunch of wankers, "scum" is mild.

In any case attempting to bring "real World" logic into football is no fun. There's a load of us Socialists on here who follow a game which is, basically, more rampantly-capitalist than Keith Joseph, reading "The Wealth of Nations" while setting fire to an NHS hospital.

I try not to mix football and things like politics and common decency as it makes my head spin.

One of the best football supporters I've ever known was a Manchester United supporter from Birmingham. She was involved in the FSA when we were still being locked up, kept behind fences and frogmarched. She helped football move from what it was then to the infinitely better conditions we all enjoy now.

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2014, 12:38:59 AM »
I'm probably small-minded, but I'd still struggle to get past the "Man United fan from Birmingham" bit, to be honest.

I'm sure there are nice UKIP voters and, maybe, even reasonable people who own a U2 album.

I've no wish to associate with them or see Villa give them an extra stand though.

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2014, 12:40:15 AM »
I'm probably small-minded, but I'd still struggle to get past the "Man United fan from Birmingham" bit, to be honest.

I'm sure there are nice UKIP voters and, maybe, even reasonable people who own a U2 album.

I've no wish to associate with them or see Villa give them an extra stand though.

Nobody's saying they should get an extra stand.

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2014, 12:40:23 AM »
I'm probably small-minded, but I'd still struggle to get past the "Man United fan from Birmingham" bit, to be honest.

I struggled with the "she" bit. Did she work in the kitchens or something?

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Re: Neutral section at VP?
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2014, 12:45:08 AM »
I'm probably small-minded, but I'd still struggle to get past the "Man United fan from Birmingham" bit, to be honest.

I'm sure there are nice UKIP voters and, maybe, even reasonable people who own a U2 album.

I've no wish to associate with them or see Villa give them an extra stand though.

Nobody's saying they should get an extra stand.

Section, then.

What... you expect me to actually read the thread title?

 


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