Two types of manager

[curiousorange]

To be fair, I think some of these tactical masterstrokes stem from happy accidents. There are some players who will never be able to take on a role other than the one they're paid for, but others are utility men who just aren't recognised for it.

[Hillbilly]

Two types of manager? Those who have been found out and those who will be found out.

[brian green]

Fat Sam is just bigging himself up like Joey Barton buying books that don't need crayons.

There are two types of managers like there are two types of individuals, namely extrovert and introvert. At the extrovert end if the manager spectrum you have BFR who would lead the singing on the team bus and at the introvert extreme Paul Lambert who (allegedly) had Marc Albrighton dismissed from the team bus and made to return home from Palace on the train.
In our situation it is not rocket science to work out which one would restore collapsing morale.

[Tayls_7]

You could try and work this out for all PL managers using a venn diagram with different bubbles denoting tactician, motivator etc etc. Lambert would still float away in his own "useless twonk" bubble.

[rob_bridge]

PS It would have been between Houghton and Garry Parker as to whom Fenton replaced, most likely Houghton as Parker was injured or out of favour most of that season.

He brought Fenton in to play attacking midfield and dropped Houghton. This was to help do a job v Ince and Keane. He pushed both Daly and Atkinson wider to counter the threats of Giggs and Kanchelsis.

BFR wasn't known for tactical nous but got it right in that game

[Witton Warrior]

At Norwich Lambert seemed to use both styles - he would set up in his preferred formation and if it didn't work change it during the match.
Remember the debacle at Palace when the team sheet was leaked  (or whatever) and the opposition tactics were to target certain of our players? We never seem to do anything like that so I reckon McMumbles is a "stick not twister" these days.

One of the journos did a piece about team tactics last season and he had us down as trying the same thing until it worked - or didn't.

His tactical inflexibility is compounded by his apparent lapses into panic when he just piles on forwards or alternatively replaces like with like to. equally, little effect.

[dave.woodhall]

PS It would have been between Houghton and Garry Parker as to whom Fenton replaced, most likely Houghton as Parker was injured or out of favour most of that season.

He brought Fenton in to play attacking midfield and dropped Houghton. This was to help do a job v Ince and Keane. He pushed both Daly and Atkinson wider to counter the threats of Giggs and Kanchelsis.

BFR wasn't known for tactical nous but got it right in that game

"I'd seen Arsenal play them with Alan Smith up front and Ian Wright and Kevin Campbell to the sides...I thought we could get away with that if we used Dalian and Tony Daley in a wide and strong, physical midfield. We didn't have anyone who could go man to man with them. So I thought we could take them in numbers, force Cantona deep. I said to the fast lads on the wings, 'If their fullbacks start coming forward, come back with them'."   

[Monty]

Lambert's problem is that he's type one, and this is the point against Fat Sam's simplification - if you spend all your time adjusting to the opposition, what do you do when the onus is on you to make the game? You're stranded without a coherent playing style because that takes time and work to inculcate into a team. Neither one is perfect, despite Allardyce's posturing.

[not3bad]

At the extrovert end if the manager spectrum you have BFR who would lead the singing on the team bus and at the introvert extreme Paul Lambert who (allegedly) had Marc Albrighton dismissed from the team bus and made to return home from Palace on the train.

I thought it was Culverhouse who (allegedly) had Albrighton dismissed from the coach?

[not3bad]

PS It would have been between Houghton and Garry Parker as to whom Fenton replaced, most likely Houghton as Parker was injured or out of favour most of that season.

He brought Fenton in to play attacking midfield and dropped Houghton. This was to help do a job v Ince and Keane. He pushed both Daly and Atkinson wider to counter the threats of Giggs and Kanchelsis.

BFR wasn't known for tactical nous but got it right in that game

I remember that game well. Graham hadn't listened to instructions and BFR was on the sidelines shouting "Fenton... FENTON!!!  Jesus Christ!!"

[sendô WHU]

It's ironic to hear Allardyce say that, given the single biggest criticism of him last season from all sections of West Ham's support was that we only ever played one way - defensive, physical, slow, looking to score from set pieces.

Some might have described it as "shit".

He's certainly making sure he gets the plaudits whilst the team are playing well.

[brian green]

Not3Bad, the actual punishment meted out to Marc after the Palace game was (allegedly) by Culverhouse but

a) I do not believe for one nano second that Lambert did not know about it and
 
b) To have such a crushing downer  (allegedly) inflicted on one of your team by one of your assistants and to do nothing about it is worse than doing it personally.

[Matt C]

Lambert has become the extremely rigid type, religiously sticking to the same shape and style. Which is the complete opposite of the manager I thought we were getting.

[Tokyo Sexwhale]

Surely, the way you set up is determined by how you assess your team against the quality of the opposition.  So if you're Villa and you're playing Chelsea or Man City, you'd probably not going to be the favourite there, so you set out to nullify the opposition.  But if you're playing Hull or Burnley, you ought to be expecting to win, so you set up according to your strengths.

And if you happen to be playing a weaker team that just happens to have a great individual, then you have a plan to stop him.

[ChicagoLion]

There are 2 types all right, ones that have a clue and Lambert types.