Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2014, 04:39:46 PMQuote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 04:36:30 PMQuote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2014, 04:35:10 PMHe was better than Herd I thought, but maybe not quite good enough for the top flight (not that it's stopped Baker and Clark getting lots of games).A completely different type of player to Herd though. I think he's just found his level. Good luck to him. Not really, Carruthers has played in central midfield the last few times I've seen him play, which is Herd's position.Except that one's very much an attacking midfielder / winger and the other very much a defensive midfielder / centre-back / right back. They're not comparable players in the slightest.
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 04:36:30 PMQuote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2014, 04:35:10 PMHe was better than Herd I thought, but maybe not quite good enough for the top flight (not that it's stopped Baker and Clark getting lots of games).A completely different type of player to Herd though. I think he's just found his level. Good luck to him. Not really, Carruthers has played in central midfield the last few times I've seen him play, which is Herd's position.
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2014, 04:35:10 PMHe was better than Herd I thought, but maybe not quite good enough for the top flight (not that it's stopped Baker and Clark getting lots of games).A completely different type of player to Herd though. I think he's just found his level. Good luck to him.
He was better than Herd I thought, but maybe not quite good enough for the top flight (not that it's stopped Baker and Clark getting lots of games).
He had a bad injury last season. I think another season out on loan would have been better. I'm sick of all these youth players never stepping up or not being given the chance.Its something the club need to sort out.
Quote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 04:41:29 PMQuote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2014, 04:39:46 PMQuote from: RussellC on August 06, 2014, 04:36:30 PMQuote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2014, 04:35:10 PMHe was better than Herd I thought, but maybe not quite good enough for the top flight (not that it's stopped Baker and Clark getting lots of games).A completely different type of player to Herd though. I think he's just found his level. Good luck to him. Not really, Carruthers has played in central midfield the last few times I've seen him play, which is Herd's position.Except that one's very much an attacking midfielder / winger and the other very much a defensive midfielder / centre-back / right back. They're not comparable players in the slightest.Carruthers started out as a winger and ended up being much more of a central midfielder. Are you seriously trying to suggest that Herd is a right-back or central defender?What nonsense.
Quote from: Hoppo on August 06, 2014, 04:45:37 PMHe had a bad injury last season. I think another season out on loan would have been better. I'm sick of all these youth players never stepping up or not being given the chance.Its something the club need to sort out.If you're sick of both them not getting the chance, and them getting the chance but not stepping up, what are the club meant to do about it?The number of youth team players who make it at a Premier League club is truly miniscule, the odds are always going to be stacked against them.
attitude issues? He seemed to show ability but you have to be dedicated too even when the chips are down.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2014, 04:50:15 PMQuote from: Hoppo on August 06, 2014, 04:45:37 PMHe had a bad injury last season. I think another season out on loan would have been better. I'm sick of all these youth players never stepping up or not being given the chance.Its something the club need to sort out.If you're sick of both them not getting the chance, and them getting the chance but not stepping up, what are the club meant to do about it?The number of youth team players who make it at a Premier League club is truly miniscule, the odds are always going to be stacked against them.I have always found it hard to believe that any manager worth his salt would go out of his way to stop a player from coming through the clubs academy. First it's essentially free and allows him to spend his limited resources elsewhere, and two in the most part it is hugely popular with the supporters. It's hard breaking into a PL first team squad as it should be and much of it is down to attitude which is what I was alluding to with my earlier comment on Carruthers. Not that he has a bad one, but that he couldn't elevate himself sufficiently to make the grade. And it could be that he isn't good enough right now, but if he has the talent and the mental strength he can come back from this disappointment and make a good career for himself down the road.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2014, 04:23:50 PMattitude issues? He seemed to show ability but you have to be dedicated too even when the chips are down.I'd go with this, him and Grealish both went out on loan last year to clubs where they'd be expected to look a class above if they were ready for the premier league; Grealish regularly did, Carruthers rarely did. Given that Carruthers is older and had premier league appearances under his belt where he looked like he had the talent to make it you have to assume that there's something not quite right there, attitude and specifically the will to really push on is the normal culprit.