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Offline maidstonevillain

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7080 on: June 14, 2018, 10:39:02 AM »
I tend to think of his selling price the other way round to most people. I know it's generally thought that desperation would drive the price down, but I think that it's not worth selling him for less than an amount that would get us right out of the woods. If we sold him for £15 million, we'd probably still need to sell a lot of other players to make up the deficit. We could sell him cheap and actually still be in massive financial difficulty - so that'd be pointless.

I'd say it's only worth selling Grealish for £30 milliion+ - because if it doesn't solve our problems, it's better to keep him surely?



It all depends how desperate thay are for £15m.  If it is need to stave off winding up,there is not much choice.

My gut feeling is, however, that he will still be here next season.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7081 on: June 14, 2018, 10:57:29 AM »
Every single Premier League club would snap your hands off for Grealish at £15m, every single one.  Which means he won't go for £15m, or anywhere near it.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7082 on: June 14, 2018, 11:06:27 AM »
For all this idea that Daniel Levy is such a genius a) what have they won and b) why hasn't he been headhunted by a real successful club?
I dont think its even that he's that amazing. Its just that hes not Keith Wyness/Fox/Risdale/The Porn Kings/Venkys or any of the other shysters out there.
At some point in the  near future, its hard to argue that with the cemented riches of being a top 6 side, champions league money, the huge new stadium etc they are only going to get richer and success may be just around thecorner

May be. There are some who would tell you that Martin O'Neill had the Champions League around the corner but that's not the point. We're always being fed this line that Daniel Levy is some kind of wonder administrator who always gets the best out of every deal and who is bound to shaft us so we might as well get used to swapping Jack Grealish for a handful of magic beans. If that's the case then why have Spurs won one League Cup and failed to challenge for the title in the seventeen years he's been their chairman?

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7083 on: June 14, 2018, 11:09:55 AM »
For all this idea that Daniel Levy is such a genius a) what have they won and b) why hasn't he been headhunted by a real successful club?

I'd settle for where they are now to be honest.  Some brilliant players and now Champions League regulars.  Levy earns £6m a year from Spurs alone, gets very well looked after by Joe Lewis more generally, and his family are minted so I don't imagine that cash is his foremost concern.

Don't disagree, but they need to to win something. I hear some pretty idiotic discussions on 5Live about how it doesn't matter that they've won nowt.

What are they going to reminisce about in 50 years time? That period where they had a wage bill VillaDawg creamed over?

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« Reply #7084 on: June 14, 2018, 11:21:54 AM »
They do need to win something because it’s become a mental block, but if you asked them FA Cup or top 4 they’d always go with the latter.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7085 on: June 14, 2018, 11:38:26 AM »
For all this idea that Daniel Levy is such a genius a) what have they won and b) why hasn't he been headhunted by a real successful club?
I dont think its even that he's that amazing. Its just that hes not Keith Wyness/Fox/Risdale/The Porn Kings/Venkys or any of the other shysters out there.
At some point in the  near future, its hard to argue that with the cemented riches of being a top 6 side, champions league money, the huge new stadium etc they are only going to get richer and success may be just around thecorner

May be. There are some who would tell you that Martin O'Neill had the Champions League around the corner but that's not the point. We're always being fed this line that Daniel Levy is some kind of wonder administrator who always gets the best out of every deal and who is bound to shaft us so we might as well get used to swapping Jack Grealish for a handful of magic beans. If that's the case then why have Spurs won one League Cup and failed to challenge for the title in the seventeen years he's been their chairman?

Also how much of their success is geographic rather than anything particular special about the way they're run? As the league became globalised they were comfortably one of the top 3 sides in London, with a large fanbase in the press and a decent location (and massively over-promoted local derby) to pull in tourist fans who just wanted to go to any premier league game and buy as much tat as possible in the process.  They'd been a mid-table side for the best part of 20 years before the recent push into the top 6 and yet always had a turnover much higher than the clubs around them so someone coming in and managing to use those advantages is, for me, just a case of him doing his job.

As for his brilliance in the transfer market, who do they have that they've signed for vastly below true value?

Lloris £11m, Alderweirald £14m, Vertoghen £11m, Dele Alli £6m (having never played higher than the 3rd tier), Eriksen £12m.  None of those were a steal, Dier and Trippier are the only 2 regulars that can be considered as them signing for a good price but both were £4m with a year left on their contract so again, not massively under priced.

If you add to that the list of expensive mistakes (that have been posted previously) the idea that he's a master of the transfer market is a complete myth, everything they have is down to a solid youth structure and scouting system and any envious eyes towards them should be looking at those things not how the negotiate signings.

Offline Perthvillan

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7086 on: June 14, 2018, 12:01:49 PM »
Spuds can sod off.
I can't think of a worse club Jack could go to, flash bastards.
Some club will have to come up with at least something over 20mil.
We bought McCormack for 15 mil maybe they would take him instead.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7087 on: June 14, 2018, 12:04:21 PM »
For all this idea that Daniel Levy is such a genius a) what have they won and b) why hasn't he been headhunted by a real successful club?
I dont think its even that he's that amazing. Its just that hes not Keith Wyness/Fox/Risdale/The Porn Kings/Venkys or any of the other shysters out there.
At some point in the  near future, its hard to argue that with the cemented riches of being a top 6 side, champions league money, the huge new stadium etc they are only going to get richer and success may be just around thecorner

May be. There are some who would tell you that Martin O'Neill had the Champions League around the corner but that's not the point. We're always being fed this line that Daniel Levy is some kind of wonder administrator who always gets the best out of every deal and who is bound to shaft us so we might as well get used to swapping Jack Grealish for a handful of magic beans. If that's the case then why have Spurs won one League Cup and failed to challenge for the title in the seventeen years he's been their chairman?

I'd say that getting a club of Tottenham's size finishing in the top 3 of the Premier League for three consecutive seasons is in itself a pretty fantastic achievement. I know Spurs haven't exactly been short of cash during the time he's been there, but he/they have found a way of regularly competing near the top of the league with a seemingly sensible wage structure against considerably richer clubs. I think it's very impressive how they've seemingly overtaken Arsenal and Liverpool over the last few years. I agree they need to win something for any of it to really matter, but I think these days we may be in the minority in our belief that football should be about winning trophies first and foremost.

Seeing Grealish in a Spurs shirt would be the perfect, sickening symbol of how two similarly sized clubs have been managed in two completely opposite ways over the last ten years. The make up of modern football suggests its going to be extremely difficult to reverse the last ten years for a very, very long time.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7088 on: June 14, 2018, 12:06:27 PM »
In the same way that a lot of the Premier League's dominance is down to English being the world's most common language, so I don't think it's any coincidence that three of the top six clubs in it are from London and two of the others might as well be given where their supporters come from. They attract tourists, they can charge top prices (I've said before that Spurs at White Hart Lane charged more for car parking than we did for match tickets, even allowing for the fact that eleven parked cars would have given them more of a game than us in recent years), they have the sort of 'glamour' that sells clubs around the world. None of that's down to Daniel Levy. 

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7089 on: June 14, 2018, 12:29:54 PM »
Alli was a brilliant bit of business, as was Eriksen for £12m, when you consider some of the utter shit we've spent that sort of money on in McCormack and Hogan.  Trippier was good business too.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7090 on: June 14, 2018, 12:32:57 PM »
For all this idea that Daniel Levy is such a genius a) what have they won and b) why hasn't he been headhunted by a real successful club?

I wasn't suggesting he's a genius, merely good at getting the best deal for his club. Think it was Alex Ferguson who said he was the toughest negotiator he'd had to deal with.


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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7091 on: June 14, 2018, 12:47:38 PM »
Alli was a brilliant bit of business, as was Eriksen for £12m, when you consider some of the utter shit we've spent that sort of money on in McCormack and Hogan.  Trippier was good business too.

Good signings I agree, but not brilliantly negotiated and signed for well below their value.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7092 on: June 14, 2018, 01:00:33 PM »
Alli was a brilliant bit of business, as was Eriksen for £12m, when you consider some of the utter shit we've spent that sort of money on in McCormack and Hogan.  Trippier was good business too.

Good signings I agree, but not brilliantly negotiated and signed for well below their value.

Read that three or four times now and still don't understand!

Offline old man villa fan

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7093 on: June 14, 2018, 01:09:36 PM »
Alli was a brilliant bit of business, as was Eriksen for £12m, when you consider some of the utter shit we've spent that sort of money on in McCormack and Hogan.  Trippier was good business too.

Good signings I agree, but not brilliantly negotiated and signed for well below their value.

Read that three or four times now and still don't understand!

I think it means value at the time of signing. Where Spurs did well is spotting the talent and how they could add value to them.

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Re: Jack Grealish
« Reply #7094 on: June 14, 2018, 01:44:06 PM »
Alli was a brilliant bit of business, as was Eriksen for £12m, when you consider some of the utter shit we've spent that sort of money on in McCormack and Hogan.  Trippier was good business too.

Good signings I agree, but not brilliantly negotiated and signed for well below their value.

Read that three or four times now and still don't understand!

Yeah, I get that, it isn't exactly clear so i'll try again.

Those players were well scouted and their value has increased but what spurs paid was, pretty much, the asking price/market value so there's no expert negotiation in any of those signings, they just found players they wanted and paid a fair price for them so how has Levy earned this reputation?

I'd be more interested in finding out who setup their scouting network and academy, Frank Arnesen was there around the time things started to improve and did a good job at Chelsea afterwards, but was a year long enough for him to get credit?

Either way, what we now need is for Round to step up and show he can do the same or we need to replace him with someone who can.  I'm yet to see any sign of a decent scouting network but maybe some of the kids we've signed in the last year or so, will come through and show that value. Indiana Vassilev (which is a fucking brilliant name) arrived a few months ago and we got Dimitri Sea and Colin Odutayo last summer so they're the names to watch out for over the next 18 months or so, they're all of an age where they should be breaking into the U23s next season if they're going to be what we hope.