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Offline Dave Clark Five

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2014, 12:26:28 PM »
I think a few have already said it he needs to go on loan and get some games under his belt!

I heard that Gardner was pissed off that he wouldn't let him go on loan but never gave him a game here. It was only when Baker was injured, I think just prior to the Sheff Utd game, that he got on the bench but didn't get chance to get on. After the injury that he has had, he needs plenty of opportunities to play.

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2014, 12:32:10 PM »
I know he has been injured, but is he any good, I never seen him play , barring i think v Man united 2011-12


never seen him either. Thought he might get a look in this season after coming back from injury. You'd have to conclude that maybe he isn't that good if you look at the mediocrity we have in the squad around the midfield places. However, it's often a fine line between success and failure at the top level, so I'd be inclined to keep him at least for another season and see if he can stake a claim. Apart from Delph, we've got no real top drawer quality in midfield.

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2014, 12:45:20 PM »
I think a few have already said it he needs to go on loan and get some games under his belt!
This is the issue though - from July he'll no longer be our player to send out on loan, unless he is offered (and chooses to accept) a new contract. So if we think that he's worth persevering with them we need to commit a fair bit of money to do so.

I think I'd offer him a 2 year deal and try to arrange for a season long-loan for the first of them. Whether the club feel that it is worth risking potentially what, 1.5m in wages during that time is another story though.

Or whether he thinks he might get something better if he just chooses to sign a new contract and have the promise of a first-team slot at say, Middlesbrough or Derby.

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2014, 12:47:08 PM »
If the plan to keep him at the club for the rest of the season, and give him more game time as and when our position is more secure, might it be an idea to send him on loan to a club in America in the summer to get some game time? Sort of a Robbie Keane in reverse.... I doubt he'll suffer burnout having not played much and he could be ready to hit the ground rubbing next season. Just a thought...

If he stays, of course.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2014, 12:50:18 PM by boozey182 »

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2014, 01:01:27 PM »
I used to watch him play a fair bit in the u21's and always thought he had a lot of ability and a great attitude on the field too, I really didn't think his Villa future would be playing out like this ... I understand he's had a torrid time with injuries which can obviously really stunt his development, but does anyone really trust Lambert to develop our young home grown players?

Since he has taken over, I don't believe he has promoted a single youth player to the first team? I know Donacien got near when Ron was out a few weeks ago but he still chose to go with Lowton/Herd (the former of who clearly can't play that position) instead. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it's a case of "must not be doing it in training" and more so a case of Lambert choosing to stick with players who he likes even if they don't have much of a future at VP (i.e. KEA, Sylla).  I really don't trust PL to spot quality in the youth, gamble on it and man manage them effectively - didn't Grealish kick up a fuss after being called a baby or whatever a month ago?

Makes no sense that he hasn't given him ANY game time.  My prediction is he'll step down a level, establish himself as a goal scoring midfielder and eventually carve out a decent career in the Prem.  Best of luck to the lad.

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2014, 01:06:42 PM »
I used to watch him play a fair bit in the u21's and always thought he had a lot of ability and a great attitude on the field too, I really didn't think his Villa future would be playing out like this ... I understand he's had a torrid time with injuries which can obviously really stunt his development, but does anyone really trust Lambert to develop our young home grown players?

Since he has taken over, I don't believe he has promoted a single youth player to the first team? I know Donacien got near when Ron was out a few weeks ago but he still chose to go with Lowton/Herd (the former of who clearly can't play that position) instead. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it's a case of "must not be doing it in training" and more so a case of Lambert choosing to stick with players who he likes even if they don't have much of a future at VP (i.e. KEA, Sylla).  I really don't trust PL to spot quality in the youth, gamble on it and man manage them effectively - didn't Grealish kick up a fuss after being called a baby or whatever a month ago?

Makes no sense that he hasn't given him ANY game time.  My prediction is he'll step down a level, establish himself as a goal scoring midfielder and eventually carve out a decent career in the Prem.  Best of luck to the lad.

I fully expect Lambert to develop our homegrown talent, more so than any manager we've previously had, but if they're not up to it then what can he do?

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2014, 02:17:22 PM »
I used to watch him play a fair bit in the u21's and always thought he had a lot of ability and a great attitude on the field too, I really didn't think his Villa future would be playing out like this ... I understand he's had a torrid time with injuries which can obviously really stunt his development, but does anyone really trust Lambert to develop our young home grown players?

Since he has taken over, I don't believe he has promoted a single youth player to the first team? I know Donacien got near when Ron was out a few weeks ago but he still chose to go with Lowton/Herd (the former of who clearly can't play that position) instead. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it's a case of "must not be doing it in training" and more so a case of Lambert choosing to stick with players who he likes even if they don't have much of a future at VP (i.e. KEA, Sylla).  I really don't trust PL to spot quality in the youth, gamble on it and man manage them effectively - didn't Grealish kick up a fuss after being called a baby or whatever a month ago?

Makes no sense that he hasn't given him ANY game time.  My prediction is he'll step down a level, establish himself as a goal scoring midfielder and eventually carve out a decent career in the Prem.  Best of luck to the lad.

I fully expect Lambert to develop our homegrown talent, more so than any manager we've previously had, but if they're not up to it then what can he do?

I don't really see why everyone thinks they must not be good enough when our u19's were crowned champions of Europe a year ago and we've got one of the worst footballing squads in a long time. I'm not expecting them to be regulars but I would be expecting a handful of them to get opportunities, and he hasn't given them that.

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2014, 02:47:56 PM »
I used to watch him play a fair bit in the u21's and always thought he had a lot of ability and a great attitude on the field too, I really didn't think his Villa future would be playing out like this ... I understand he's had a torrid time with injuries which can obviously really stunt his development, but does anyone really trust Lambert to develop our young home grown players?

Since he has taken over, I don't believe he has promoted a single youth player to the first team? I know Donacien got near when Ron was out a few weeks ago but he still chose to go with Lowton/Herd (the former of who clearly can't play that position) instead. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it's a case of "must not be doing it in training" and more so a case of Lambert choosing to stick with players who he likes even if they don't have much of a future at VP (i.e. KEA, Sylla).  I really don't trust PL to spot quality in the youth, gamble on it and man manage them effectively - didn't Grealish kick up a fuss after being called a baby or whatever a month ago?

Makes no sense that he hasn't given him ANY game time.  My prediction is he'll step down a level, establish himself as a goal scoring midfielder and eventually carve out a decent career in the Prem.  Best of luck to the lad.

I fully expect Lambert to develop our homegrown talent, more so than any manager we've previously had, but if they're not up to it then what can he do?

I don't really see why everyone thinks they must not be good enough when our u19's were crowned champions of Europe a year ago and we've got one of the worst footballing squads in a long time. I'm not expecting them to be regulars but I would be expecting a handful of them to get opportunities, and he hasn't given them that.

There's clearly a massive gulf between playing at that level and playing in the Premier League, and the brightest talent from the group you mention is cutting his teeth at Notts County as it stands.

From the earlier group of wonder kids, Bannan, Baker, Clarke and to a lesser extent largely due to injury Albrighton have all been given plenty of opportunity and the jury's still out on all of them as to if they're up to it.

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2014, 02:59:25 PM »
I used to watch him play a fair bit in the u21's and always thought he had a lot of ability and a great attitude on the field too, I really didn't think his Villa future would be playing out like this ... I understand he's had a torrid time with injuries which can obviously really stunt his development, but does anyone really trust Lambert to develop our young home grown players?

Since he has taken over, I don't believe he has promoted a single youth player to the first team? I know Donacien got near when Ron was out a few weeks ago but he still chose to go with Lowton/Herd (the former of who clearly can't play that position) instead. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it's a case of "must not be doing it in training" and more so a case of Lambert choosing to stick with players who he likes even if they don't have much of a future at VP (i.e. KEA, Sylla).  I really don't trust PL to spot quality in the youth, gamble on it and man manage them effectively - didn't Grealish kick up a fuss after being called a baby or whatever a month ago?

Makes no sense that he hasn't given him ANY game time.  My prediction is he'll step down a level, establish himself as a goal scoring midfielder and eventually carve out a decent career in the Prem.  Best of luck to the lad.

I fully expect Lambert to develop our homegrown talent, more so than any manager we've previously had, but if they're not up to it then what can he do?

I don't really see why everyone thinks they must not be good enough when our u19's were crowned champions of Europe a year ago and we've got one of the worst footballing squads in a long time. I'm not expecting them to be regulars but I would be expecting a handful of them to get opportunities, and he hasn't given them that.

There's clearly a massive gulf between playing at that level and playing in the Premier League, and the brightest talent from the group you mention is cutting his teeth at Notts County as it stands.

From the earlier group of wonder kids, Bannan, Baker, Clarke and to a lesser extent largely due to injury Albrighton have all been given plenty of opportunity and the jury's still out on all of them as to if they're up to it.

I appreciate there is a big difference in the level, but that's not an argument to not give them game time and see how they get on! The group you mentioned there were all pretty much established as members of the first team squad by the time Lambert came in (although he seems to have put more faith in Baker than his predeccesors).  What makes you think that he'll develop more of our own youth than any of our recent managers? He didn't have a great track record of doing that at Norwich either ...

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2014, 03:10:10 PM »
Callum Robinson has been on the bench a few times and had a run out in the league cup.  Grealish was involved in pre-season before going out on loan.  I think both are pretty firmly in his thinking.  I think he's on the fence about Carruthers and Seigrist so has loaned them out to see what happens.

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2014, 03:11:49 PM »
It's difficult to look at anything he did at Norwich because they played in three different divisions in three seasons, but I suppose fielding the youngest Villa side in living memory is one of the things that make me feel he'll be more likely to develop our own youth.

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2014, 03:15:10 PM »
What happened to Drennan?

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2014, 03:42:02 PM »
I think that if the club rate them highly enough they should get them some first team exposure.

In most sports exposure to a higher standard at an early age means that the younger players "kick on" at a faster pace.

Perhaps we haven't been able to do this recently as our form has been average at best, making most games important.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2014, 04:02:48 PM by ev »

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2014, 03:58:53 PM »
It's difficult to look at anything he did at Norwich because they played in three different divisions in three seasons, but I suppose fielding the youngest Villa side in living memory is one of the things that make me feel he'll be more likely to develop our own youth.

And as I said, the fact that he hasn't given a single academy player a debut in the PL would suggest that he wont. If he would rather play Matty Lowton, who I rate but struggles massively defensively, at centre back over a very promising centre half in Donacien then I would think he's not overly bothered.  Fair enough he's fielded a very young team but is that not because he's fallen out with almost every senior player at the club and couldn't sign experience from elsewhere?  I don't think that is an indicator of his ability to utilise our excellent youth system.

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Re: Gary Gardner
« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2014, 04:02:17 PM »
What happened to Drennan?

On loan at Carlisle. Started and played 77 minutes last saturday, hitting the bar with a cracking shot (from the highlights show).