Deloitte money list

[andyh]

It seems we no longer are in the top 30 of the money list (we have been previously)
Wasn't our performance in this league supposed to be a major factor for Lerner ?

http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/5999f66f7d8b3410VgnVCM2000003356f70aRCRD.htm

[LeeS]

Even West Ham are above us in 29th, with £104m revenue.

[cdbearsfan]

Why wouldn't they be? They play in the richest city in Europe and have got a nice, tax-payer funded stadium to move into. They'll be above us for a while I'd have thought.

Where are people seeing this list anyway I can only get the top twenty?

[lovejoy]

Sorry to come across like an accountant, but this list focussed on revenue not profitability.

[LeeS]

Why wouldn't they be? They play in the richest city in Europe and have got a nice, tax-payer funded stadium to move into. They'll be above us for a while I'd have thought.

Where are people seeing this list anyway I can only get the top twenty?

IN the actual report, further down it lists 21-30.

[Ad@m]

Sorry to come across like an accountant, but this list focussed on revenue not profitability.

It always has been.  Focussing on profitability for football clubs is rather meaningless in isolation because its massively impacted by player transfers, even those from several years ago, due to the way amortisation of player contracts is accounted for.

[TheSandman]

I seem to recall the aim was for us to be in the top 20, not the top 30 as we managed that two or three years back. Cue a 'how far we have fallen' type response. In all honesty, I couldn't care less about it.

[nick harper]

Shows how Man City's sponsorship has distorted their numbers. They hadn't gone past the group stage in CL until this year. Clear financial doping as Arsene would say.

[Handsworth Wood Villa]

2009-10 - 20th - €109.4
2010-11 - 24th - €99.3
2011-12 - 27th - €98.6

[bertlambshank]

Being in the top 20 was another Faulknerism,hope he has learnt from it.

[BC54 VFC]

Sorry to come across like an accountant, but this list focussed on revenue not profitability.

It always has been.  Focussing on profitability for football clubs is rather meaningless in isolation because its massively impacted by player transfers, even those from several years ago, due to the way amortisation of player contracts is accounted for.

EBIT is probably the best measure.

[Villa in Denmark]

Sorry to come across like an accountant, but this list focussed on revenue not profitability.

It always has been.  Focussing on profitability for football clubs is rather meaningless in isolation because its massively impacted by player transfers, even those from several years ago, due to the way amortisation of player contracts is accounted for.

EBIT is probably the best measure.

Surely if you're going down that route then EBITDA is a better measure as that is before tax, depreciation and amortisation, rather than just before tax, amortisation being, as Ad@m says, being the major distortion in the profit/loss account.

Most capital intensive businesses are judged on this measure when looking at results rather than net profit as it's a better indication of underlying performance.

[BC54 VFC]

Sorry to come across like an accountant, but this list focussed on revenue not profitability.

It always has been.  Focussing on profitability for football clubs is rather meaningless in isolation because its massively impacted by player transfers, even those from several years ago, due to the way amortisation of player contracts is accounted for.

EBIT is probably the best measure.

Surely if you're going down that route then EBITDA is a better measure as that is before tax, depreciation and amortisation, rather than just before tax, amortisation being, as Ad@m says, being the major distortion in the profit/loss account.

Most capital intensive businesses are judged on this measure when looking at results rather than net profit as it's a better indication of underlying performance.

You are correct (it's been a long day)

[Ad@m]

The Deloitte league is trying to be a proxy for a ' large clubs league '.  That's why they use revenue.

Any measure of profit wouldn't show that.

[Dave Clark Five]

2009-10 - 20th - €109.4
2010-11 - 24th - €99.3
2011-12 - 27th - €98.6

We deal in £s in this country.