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Offline Dave Cooper please

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2013, 01:11:49 PM »
Hallam V Sheffield FC was first played in 1860.

I wasnt very clear in my criteria. I was thnking of 2 teams who are still fairly prominent.

What could be more prominent than the oldest team in The World playing against the team who play in the oldest ground in The World?

Don't be so elitist!

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2013, 01:15:44 PM »
Reform Aston Unity that's what I say.  Now that would be a derby!

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2013, 01:18:52 PM »
There's an Aston FC playing non-league. I think Gabby's brother, the shitely-named Charisma Agbonlahor, plays for them.

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2013, 02:44:04 PM »

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2013, 02:58:11 PM »
There's an Aston FC playing non-league. I think Gabby's brother, the shitely-named Charisma Agbonlahor, plays for them.

Really , gabbys brother is called charisma? - how charming :)

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2013, 03:04:21 PM »
Yes. Sicknote is in the reserves.

Offline MarkM

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2013, 03:24:13 PM »
I'm sure the Christians played the Lions a few times in the BC era

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2013, 03:30:10 PM »
I'm sure the Christians played the Lions a few times in the BC era

Definitely the AD era.

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2013, 03:52:43 PM »
Christians were pretty rare in the BC era, it must be said.


Offline barrysleftfoot

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2013, 04:07:14 PM »

 Why is it called a "derby"?

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2013, 05:14:57 PM »

 Why is it called a "derby"?

It is widely reported that the phrase originates from the town of Ashbourne, Derbyshire, England. There, since as early as the 12th century, two teams from opposite ends of the town play a rough and tumble football/rugby type of game called the Royal Shrovetide Football Match. The match is between the 'uppers' and the 'downers' - townspeople from opposite sides of the river that runs through the town. The object of the game is to get a painted leather ball into the opposition's goal by fair means or foul. You might get a flavour of the scene from the fact that the goals are three miles apart and that one of the (few) rules is that 'unnecessary' violence is frowned upon. This type of game used to be common on feast days throughout England, and this example is still played out annually at Ashbourne.

In normal circumstances evidence linking an event with a phrase having a 900 hundred-year pedigree would be persuasive. Unfortunately, there's nothing apart from local folklore, which is always present when locals lay claim to a phrase, to link the phrase to the town or to the Shrovetide match. After all, the phrase isn't 'a local Ashbourne'.

The actual source is more prosaic. The Derby is the name of the premier horse race in England and the contest was founded by the twelfth Earl of Derby in 1780. Since at least as early as 1840 'derby' has been used as a noun in English to denote any kind of sporting contest. A local derby is just a sporting contest between local rivals.

Early uses of the phrase referred to football (soccer) matches and the first printed citation appears to be the Daily Express, October 1914:

"A local Derby between Liverpool and Everton".


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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2013, 01:19:39 PM »
As has been said above derby is a superior sporting event and therefore has been applied to football where some time ago only the local teams playing each other were a big event due to travel etc...now days it can be applied more widely.

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2013, 01:28:05 PM »
Scotland V England? Goes back to a thousand years or so?

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2013, 01:35:56 PM »
Christians were pretty rare in the BC era, it must be said.



Any that were were ahead of their time.

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Re: Oldest local derby
« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2013, 01:38:16 PM »
The Hittites Vs The Egyptians?

 


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