Sad, sad, sad

[supertom]

I hope it's not too serious and that he gets the help and support he needs. Following on from Supertom in my opinion he was "frighteningly good" (although I think I know what you mean) his continual knee problems were another major factor.

Christ only knows how good with a solid pair of knees too. He wouldn't just be a God, he'd be Zues, a God of Gods. He would have made Maldini look like Titus Bramble.

[Toronto Villa]

I hope it's not too serious and that he gets the help and support he needs. Following on from Supertom in my opinion he was "frighteningly good" (although I think I know what you mean) his continual knee problems were another major factor.

Christ only knows how good with a solid pair of knees too. He wouldn't just be a God, he'd be Zues, a God of Gods. He would have made Maldini look like Titus Bramble.

you have to wonder though if he didn't have those problems would he have ever ended up with us?

[supertom]

I hope it's not too serious and that he gets the help and support he needs. Following on from Supertom in my opinion he was "frighteningly good" (although I think I know what you mean) his continual knee problems were another major factor.

Christ only knows how good with a solid pair of knees too. He wouldn't just be a God, he'd be Zues, a God of Gods. He would have made Maldini look like Titus Bramble.

you have to wonder though if he didn't have those problems would he have ever ended up with us?

Yes that's the other thing. Perhaps not. My guess is that either Bruce or Pallister would not have had quite as illustrious a career.

[damon loves JT]

Caring about somebody who has addiction problems, or poor mental health, makes you feel so powerless.

I wish him well, I hope he finds the strength to get better.

[john e]

Caring about somebody who has addiction problems, or poor mental health, makes you feel so powerless.

I wish him well, I hope he finds the strength to get better.

yes,
 I have similar issues in my own family concerning gambling,
there is support out there, in the form of GA and AA etc, I've only been to GA and they are excellent but you have to be willing to go and get the 'treatment' for the want of better word,

 Paul has I am sure done that in past, but its easy to fall away, and people around do give up in the end, because they see it as a never ending battle, which it is

in fact sometimes its harder for the immediate family than the person with the addictions, because like you say you feel powerless,
in a recent GA meeting with family and friends of compulsive gamblers, everyone in the room said the same thing, it wasn't the gambling that was the biggest problem, it was the lies

the lying destroyed everything, I'm not sure if that's the same for alcoholics, but people do get to the point where they have had enough, give up and go away

[eastie]

Caring about somebody who has addiction problems, or poor mental health, makes you feel so powerless.

I wish him well, I hope he finds the strength to get better.

yes,
 I have similar issues in my own family concerning gambling,
there is support out there, in the form of GA and AA etc, I've only been to GA and they are excellent but you have to be willing to go and get the 'treatment' for the want of better word,

 Paul has I am sure done that in past, but its easy to fall away, and people around do give up in the end, because they see it as a never ending battle, which it is

in fact sometimes its harder for the immediate family than the person with the addictions, because like you say you feel powerless,
in a recent GA meeting with family and friends of compulsive gamblers, everyone in the room said the same thing, it wasn't the gambling that was the biggest problem, it was the lies

the lying destroyed everything, I'm not sure if that's the same for alcoholics, but people do get to the point where they have had enough, give up and go away

May I take this opportunity to wish you all the best in your fight john, I've always enjoyed your posts and you seem a really decent bloke - hope it goes well for you pal.

[damon loves JT]

I bet you £2 he gets better

[john e]

Caring about somebody who has addiction problems, or poor mental health, makes you feel so powerless.

I wish him well, I hope he finds the strength to get better.

yes,
 I have similar issues in my own family concerning gambling,
there is support out there, in the form of GA and AA etc, I've only been to GA and they are excellent but you have to be willing to go and get the 'treatment' for the want of better word,

 Paul has I am sure done that in past, but its easy to fall away, and people around do give up in the end, because they see it as a never ending battle, which it is

in fact sometimes its harder for the immediate family than the person with the addictions, because like you say you feel powerless,
in a recent GA meeting with family and friends of compulsive gamblers, everyone in the room said the same thing, it wasn't the gambling that was the biggest problem, it was the lies

the lying destroyed everything, I'm not sure if that's the same for alcoholics, but people do get to the point where they have had enough, give up and go away

May I take this opportunity to wish you all the best in your fight john, I've always enjoyed your posts and you seem a really decent bloke - hope it goes well for you pal.

thanks,
 although I have been a heavy gambler in the past, its my Son who has the problem, I go to support him, although i'm only allowed into the family support meeting

[john e]

I bet you £2 he gets better

make it 2 grand and we might be talking......

[eastie]

Best wishes to you both anyway john, you have always struck me as one  of the good guys

[john e]

Best wishes to you both anyway john, you have always struck me as one  of the good guys

I am pretty good to be fair

[eastie]

Best wishes to you both anyway john, you have always struck me as one  of the good guys

I am pretty good to be fair

Indeed.

[Phil from the upper holte]

it just doesn't sound like him, being loud?

[eastie]

it just doesn't sound like him, being loud?

He has had problems in the past becoming a bit loud when drunk i think - not aggressive though.

[Irish villain]

it just doesn't sound like him, being loud?

His inherent shyness is probably what makes him return to the drink.