Doug or Randy?

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Slight change of subject, 1975 to 1982 were (mostly) glorious years, yet we had buffoons in charge then.
Bendall was absolutely hopeless, but what times the club had then.

Most directors are/were fucking useless. Just on occaision they'd stumble upon a genius manager to make them look good.

A good example was Sam Longston at Derby, a complete arse but he had Clough there to give him the best team in the country.

[LeeB]

Slight change of subject, 1975 to 1982 were (mostly) glorious years, yet we had buffoons in charge then.
Bendall was absolutely hopeless, but what times the club had then.

Most directors are/were fucking useless. Just on occaision they'd stumble upon a genius manager to make them look good.

A good example was Sam Longston at Derby, a complete arse but he had Clough there to give him the best team in the country.

That was exactly the example I had in mind.

[ktvillan]

Hmmm, a fool and his money or just a fool?  Frying pan or fire?  I'd rather have neither, but of the two I'd go for Lerner, just, simply because at least he put some money in and is (or rather was) well meaning and not in it for the ego trip.  Just a shame he seems utterly clueless about both football and business, and has a tendency to lurch from one extreme approach to the polar opposite.  He seems oblivious to the fairly obvious fact that a blend of youth and experience is the best option, and that there needs to be a transition period between his "throw money at it" period and his new youth centred policy.

[Irish villain]

Excellent piece here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-why-randy-lerner-must-1535072

[eastie]

Excellent piece here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-why-randy-lerner-must-1535072

Absolutely , what a very good read that was !

[Clampy]

An interesting in depth read for those on the outside looking in. The only thing i'd take issue with is when he says that there are big earners without relegation clauses. He dose'nt know that for  sure. Players have all sorts of clauses put in nowadays.

[VillaAlways]

An interesting in depth read for those on the outside looking in. The only thing i'd take issue with is when he says that there are big earners without relegation clauses. He dose'nt know that for  sure. Players have all sorts of clauses put in nowadays.

I wouldn't hold your breath.Remember we ended up paying Jenas's wages for a season

[rob_bridge]

I'm sure this has been commented before. Lerner is (was) a very good owner and we found his hands off actions speak louder than words a refreshing change from Mr Bicycle Kick himself. That and he backed MON with big money - somewhat naievely.
That said Doug was a good chairman just not a particularly good owner for us at the time football was reinvented 20 years ago.
Lerner just.

[itbrvilla]

Its amazing the change in overall opinion on this site regarding DoFs over the last 2 years or so.

[Villadroid]

Excellent piece here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-why-randy-lerner-must-1535072

The article proves how easy it is to be a football writer these days.

They read the forums, collect the recurring opinions and assemble into an article.

The fans read their own opinions being repeated back to them, decide what fantastic insight the journalist has, and decide the guy's a genius.

The suggestion that Villa should get Graham Taylor in as DOF has been mentioned on quite a few Villa sites recently.

So just the capitalist Mirror confiscating the surplus value of the workers and selling it back to them, as usual.

[LeeB]

Excellent piece here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-why-randy-lerner-must-1535072

The article proves how easy it is to be a football writer these days.

They read the forums, collect the recurring opinions and assemble into an article.

The fans read their own opinions being repeated back to them, decide what fantastic insight the journalist has, and decide the guy's a genius.

The suggestion that Villa should get Graham Taylor in as DOF has been mentioned on quite a few Villa sites recently.

So just the capitalist Mirror confiscating the surplus value of the workers and selling it back to them, as usual.

I have to agree, and furthermore I can't believe people can't see it for what it is.

[Hairbandinho]

Randy was doomed to fail from Day 1.

In hindsight he should have appointed someone with football market knowledge to the board to advise him given his lack of knowledge. He did not because O'Ego would have not stood for it. So he lets him run wild with wages,transfer fees, agents fees etc in the hope we would qualify for the CL to bankroll the spend.

They day we lost at home to Stoke and missed out on CL to Arsenal was the day the financial meltdown started. Combine that with paying off contracts to all the failed managers since means we are broke, and having to sign cheaper young unproven players as a result.

We will most likely be relgated, and the better players still here will leave relatively cheaply in the summer (Benteke, Vlaar, Guzan etc)

And to top it off the fat twats on the bench on huge wages will stay and continue to pick up huge wages as nobody else will pay the wages they want.

What a disaster.

 

[E I Adio]

Excellent piece here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-why-randy-lerner-must-1535072

The article proves how easy it is to be a football writer these days.

They read the forums, collect the recurring opinions and assemble into an article.

The fans read their own opinions being repeated back to them, decide what fantastic insight the journalist has, and decide the guy's a genius.

The suggestion that Villa should get Graham Taylor in as DOF has been mentioned on quite a few Villa sites recently.

So just the capitalist Mirror confiscating the surplus value of the workers and selling it back to them, as usual.

That may well all be true, but at the least he's done a little research. It still manages more insight into the reasons why we are where we are, than 99% of the lazy tosh and outright fiction normally printed by newspapers, even the quality ones, never mind the Mirror.

[not3bad]

Excellent piece here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-why-randy-lerner-must-1535072

The article proves how easy it is to be a football writer these days.

They read the forums, collect the recurring opinions and assemble into an article.

The fans read their own opinions being repeated back to them, decide what fantastic insight the journalist has, and decide the guy's a genius.

The suggestion that Villa should get Graham Taylor in as DOF has been mentioned on quite a few Villa sites recently.

So just the capitalist Mirror confiscating the surplus value of the workers and selling it back to them, as usual.

I have to agree, and furthermore I can't believe people can't see it for what it is.

Ultimately, as with the Guardian (I think it was them) article that summed up Alex Mcleish's time as manager so well last year, I like the piece because it is concise.  I don't think anybody is claiming there is some terrific insight here that nobody else has thought of, it is just a very good summary.  As for the rubbish about capitalism, I didn't pay a penny to read it so that didn't work did it?

[rutski]

Excellent piece here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-why-randy-lerner-must-1535072

The article proves how easy it is to be a football writer these days.

They read the forums, collect the recurring opinions and assemble into an article.

The fans read their own opinions being repeated back to them, decide what fantastic insight the journalist has, and decide the guy's a genius.

The suggestion that Villa should get Graham Taylor in as DOF has been mentioned on quite a few Villa sites recently.

So just the capitalist Mirror confiscating the surplus value of the workers and selling it back to them, as usual.

That may well all be true, but at the least he's done a little research. It still manages more insight into the reasons why we are where we are, than 99% of the lazy tosh and outright fiction normally printed by newspapers, even the quality ones, never mind the Mirror.

i agree with villadroid, what a load of lazy arsed journalism that will have the doom mongers creaming themselves. yes most of it is true, yes we are in the shit, put to have the perceptiveness of a miror(worst paper going) article in black and white, will possibly make the football world sit up and take notice.
droid is right, pick any topic from 30 on here, villatalk etc, sit down and read it and than come up with a genius piece like that, well he must be up there for journalist of the year!