Quote from: paul_e on June 07, 2012, 04:03:24 PMQuote from: pestria on June 07, 2012, 03:20:52 PMQuote from: charleeco7 on June 07, 2012, 12:22:10 PMIn terms of the business and marketing side of things I think he has done a superb job of selling the Aston Villa "brand". I feel where he struggles is on the footballing side. We dont seem to have anyone on the board who has that sort experience.It looks like he is learning fast though and is only 33 so fair play to him as its a big job.Sorry, but I can't agree with this. I don't see any raised awareness of the Villa 'brand' at all. I recognise it's a difficult job and I'd agree he's done OK - but hardly superbly.He's overseen the signing of the 3 biggest sponsorship deals we've ever had, he's got our revenue at the highest level it's ever been.He (and Lerner) have made mistakes, letting mon push the club towards ruin and appointing the worst manager in our history being the major ones but, since MoN was told to take it easy on the money, the work to get us back on track and put us in a stronger position to reinvest has been good, that's what he's employed to do and he's done a fair job of it so far. At the end of the summer we'll see whether that progresses from fair to excellent based on spending, if we go out and spend 25m+ then it's a clear indication that the finances are back in a very strong position, I only expect 3-4 sides in the league to spend around that level (after sales), with only man city likely to spend silly money this season.I've tried to understand the points you're trying to make here.The first para says he's signed the three biggest deals in the clubs history - fair enough and well done - I happen to think they reflected the higher profile of Villa under MON/Lerner's first phase, and are perhaps in line with general football inflation. Our commercial income remains just about inline with our upper midtable standing - nothing outstanding.I'm not sure what on earth you're saying in the second para - the only thing I might comment on is that if we spend £25m it will not be because the commercials support it, but will reflect Lerner's attitude to investing further in the club.
Quote from: pestria on June 07, 2012, 03:20:52 PMQuote from: charleeco7 on June 07, 2012, 12:22:10 PMIn terms of the business and marketing side of things I think he has done a superb job of selling the Aston Villa "brand". I feel where he struggles is on the footballing side. We dont seem to have anyone on the board who has that sort experience.It looks like he is learning fast though and is only 33 so fair play to him as its a big job.Sorry, but I can't agree with this. I don't see any raised awareness of the Villa 'brand' at all. I recognise it's a difficult job and I'd agree he's done OK - but hardly superbly.He's overseen the signing of the 3 biggest sponsorship deals we've ever had, he's got our revenue at the highest level it's ever been.He (and Lerner) have made mistakes, letting mon push the club towards ruin and appointing the worst manager in our history being the major ones but, since MoN was told to take it easy on the money, the work to get us back on track and put us in a stronger position to reinvest has been good, that's what he's employed to do and he's done a fair job of it so far. At the end of the summer we'll see whether that progresses from fair to excellent based on spending, if we go out and spend 25m+ then it's a clear indication that the finances are back in a very strong position, I only expect 3-4 sides in the league to spend around that level (after sales), with only man city likely to spend silly money this season.
Quote from: charleeco7 on June 07, 2012, 12:22:10 PMIn terms of the business and marketing side of things I think he has done a superb job of selling the Aston Villa "brand". I feel where he struggles is on the footballing side. We dont seem to have anyone on the board who has that sort experience.It looks like he is learning fast though and is only 33 so fair play to him as its a big job.Sorry, but I can't agree with this. I don't see any raised awareness of the Villa 'brand' at all. I recognise it's a difficult job and I'd agree he's done OK - but hardly superbly.
In terms of the business and marketing side of things I think he has done a superb job of selling the Aston Villa "brand". I feel where he struggles is on the footballing side. We dont seem to have anyone on the board who has that sort experience.It looks like he is learning fast though and is only 33 so fair play to him as its a big job.
He's overseen the signing of the 3 biggest sponsorship deals we've ever had, he's got our revenue at the highest level it's ever been.
I think both RL and PF have been given a seriously unjust amount of stick in the recent past. On the one hand people say they should have spotted the MON largesse before it became a problem; but I don't recall too many saying at the time that it was madness spending £10m or whatever on Curtis Davies et al, just good news that we seemed to be stepping up to the plate.
Quote from: Banganappa on June 07, 2012, 04:13:47 PMI think both RL and PF have been given a seriously unjust amount of stick in the recent past. On the one hand people say they should have spotted the MON largesse before it became a problem; but I don't recall too many saying at the time that it was madness spending £10m or whatever on Curtis Davies et al, just good news that we seemed to be stepping up to the plate.In fairness, at the time we were spending insane money on Curtis Davies, we didn't realise that such spending would have left the club in dire financial straits quite so quickly.We didn't know, but they should have.
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on June 07, 2012, 04:28:25 PMQuote from: Banganappa on June 07, 2012, 04:13:47 PMI think both RL and PF have been given a seriously unjust amount of stick in the recent past. On the one hand people say they should have spotted the MON largesse before it became a problem; but I don't recall too many saying at the time that it was madness spending £10m or whatever on Curtis Davies et al, just good news that we seemed to be stepping up to the plate.In fairness, at the time we were spending insane money on Curtis Davies, we didn't realise that such spending would have left the club in dire financial straits quite so quickly.We didn't know, but they should have.Was Faulkner even at the club at that stage? My understanding of events was that when he came in he saw the mess re. wages, tried to act, and that's when MON walked. Am I wrong on that one?
Was Faulkner even at the club at that stage? My understanding of events was that when he came in he saw the mess re. wages, tried to act, and that's when MON walked. Am I wrong on that one?
I know hind sight is a wonderful thing but we should have kept Steve Stride onI know he would have loved to have stayed on when RL took over and with his footballing knowledge and working at Villa since an early age - he would have been a safe pair of hands (TSM would not have darkened our doorstep)That said PF is now getting on with things and it would appear we are heading in the right direction - he has had a steep learning curve which could have cost us dearlyOnwards and upwards
Reading about both PF and other CEOs it seems their main role is Chief Scapegoat. The bad things are their fault and the good ones are down to the manager. Plan A - throw money at it and tie up as a junior partner with IMG and Nike in the hope that their glamour rubs off - failed. Plan B - spend within our means and be a large fish in a smaller corporate pool - is about to begin. If it works Randy and Paul will be heralded as the model way to run a medium-to-large club.