If we drop what do we need?

[Fergal]

If we stay up, what do we need?

A manager who knows what the fuck he is doing and an owner who actually turns up to games.

[curiousorange]

If we stay up, what do we need?

First of all, a new manager who has a decent scouting network and trusts his backroom team. Second, a competent backroom team. Third, an owner who employs people who know about football and not just spreadsheets. Fourth, an owner who has the bollocks to realise his current policy is suicidal and listens to good advice. Five, a clearout of overpaid and inert first-teamers. Six, experience bought in at a non-extortionate price. Seven, an extended run for the young lads who have made good strides during this dark period. Eight, the big screen put up again between the North Stand and Witton Lane. Nine, a decent set of kit by Macron that everybody likes and ten, and the most important: a clean slate.

[Steve67]

Apparently Randy Lerner was at the game today.  He too, will have sat through yet another shit second half performance where, other than the goal, we failed to have a single shot on goal. He will have heard the Holte End asking for a different Manager.  Will he act?  Will he feck.  This is HIS fault and he needs to get it right.  The conspiracy theorists about being able to start again with the salaries if we go down will be rife.  He certainly picked the right man to take us there. Tosser.

[ozzjim]

Manager wise I would be straight to Brighton for Poyet. Think he could be the type that could grow with the job and get us back up, and then into a decent position in the premier league. I genuinely would not want to come straight back if it meant another season in the premier league under McLeish. The guy is so divisive and damned ignorant that it would be pointless, and completely disheartening. I wonder if they would suddenly drop some season ticket prices if we did drop.

[tomd2103]

After recent performances i don't think the kids are ready for the championship. i reckon randy would stick with am as well given that he took blues back up.

Its a fucking nightmare

Having seen that tonight I wouldn't fancy the team we had out against any of the Premiership teams and I think we would struggle against quite a few Championship sides as well.  I'm sorry, but the myth about how good the "kids" are has been exposed this season and the majority of them hardly made a great impact when they were on loan at Championship clubs.  The Championship is going to be even stronger next season with Charlton and probably the two Sheffield clubs in there as well, and if we are relying on the "kids" I can't see us coming back up at the first opportunity. 

[SoccerHQ]

There is no way Darren Bent would stay and play in the championship for us. He'd be off like a shot and in fairness he's the one player you'd know we could get 10m + for.

Poyet is a good shout. I could see them going for the instant quick fix though like Mick McCarthy or Steve Bruce, promotion specialists but what happens then if we get back in the prem?

[SoccerHQ]

After recent performances i don't think the kids are ready for the championship. i reckon randy would stick with am as well given that he took blues back up.

Its a fucking nightmare

Having seen that tonight I wouldn't fancy the team we had out against any of the Premiership teams and I think we would struggle against quite a few Championship sides as well.  I'm sorry, but the myth about how good the "kids" are has been exposed this season and the majority of them hardly made a great impact when they were on loan at Championship clubs.  The Championship is going to be even stronger next season with Charlton and probably the two Sheffield clubs in there as well, and if we are relying on the "kids" I can't see us coming back up at the first opportunity. 

Lichaj and Herd have been our best players lately though. Lichaj did fine on loan at Leeds last season.

I didn't say a team full of kids, we'd need an experienced championship centre half alongside Baker or someone else (Mark Hudson from Cardiff?)

Midfield, Whittingham's a good shout aswell as an experience sitter to dictate play.

[Irish villain]

This is dreadful.

[curiousorange]

I hope our owners realise that the short-term fix as far as a new manager is concerned is misguided. You spend a year in the lower divisions, that means you sweep away everything that didn't work before. That means new creed, new philosophy, new strategy, new squad. Simply pretending you're a massive club and appointing an ex-PL manager won't cut it. I think the Championship will be a lot easier to absorb for us fans if we can see progress being made. If we see the likes of Allardyce and Curbishley being given the chequebook, we may as well shut two of the stands at Villa Park as the ground will be half-empty.

[ozzjim]

After recent performances i don't think the kids are ready for the championship. i reckon randy would stick with am as well given that he took blues back up.

Its a fucking nightmare

Having seen that tonight I wouldn't fancy the team we had out against any of the Premiership teams and I think we would struggle against quite a few Championship sides as well.  I'm sorry, but the myth about how good the "kids" are has been exposed this season and the majority of them hardly made a great impact when they were on loan at Championship clubs.  The Championship is going to be even stronger next season with Charlton and probably the two Sheffield clubs in there as well, and if we are relying on the "kids" I can't see us coming back up at the first opportunity. 

Lichaj and Herd have been our best players lately though. Lichaj did fine on loan at Leeds last season.

I didn't say a team full of kids, we'd need an experienced championship centre half alongside Baker or someone else (Mark Hudson from Cardiff?)

Midfield, Whittingham's a good shout aswell as an experience sitter to dictate play.

I think Delph and Herd together would be pretty impressive though at that level, with Garnder as backup. I would be sorely tempted to just stick Bannan behind a striker like Rhodes.

The one player I have not considered at all is Ireland, who I reckon might well be one of the ones who stays, and could have the class to take the Championship apart with the right manager.

[Terry Jones]

Well we know now the stark truth the gob shit of a manager Mc Moron is taking us down going to break all records two clubs two seasons.What we need is a complete change of ownership or is that other moron Lerner going to give him a medal like to and pin it on his arse with a size ten boot.

[Phil from the upper holte]

This thread actually makes me feel sick

[charlie]

It is mooted in some quarters that Di Canio might do a decent job, and introduce a rare notion...... attacking football.......

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

As the ownership of the club is in the hands of one man - a man who has proved consistently inept in his decisions when the going got tough - I fear a continual decline. I fell for the Lerner line when he arrived - but frankly if you had the money and came into a club where O'Niell had just been appointed - any of us as a semi absent owner could have managed what happened in the first 3/4 years. He has not done one single thing right when it really mattered.
 
I genuinly fear that if we go down it will be more like 1967 than 1987 and we may not return for a number of years without a change to the club ownership. We are now operating with structures and attitudes in the club which out of date with how other clubs are operating.  The only difference  between Randy Lerner and the old duffers pre 1968 is that he is about 20 years younger.

[Ron Manager]

As the ownership of the club is in the hands of one man - a man who has proved consistently inept in his decisions when the going got tough - I fear a continual decline. I fell for the Lerner line when he arrived - but frankly if you had the money and came into a club where O'Niell had just been appointed - any of us as a semi absent owner could have managed what happened in the first 3/4 years. He has not done one single thing right when it really mattered.
 
I genuinly fear that if we go down it will be more like 1967 than 1987 and we may not return for a number of years without a change to the club ownership. We are now operating with structures and attitudes in the club which out of date with how other clubs are operating.  The only difference  between Randy Lerner and the old duffers pre 1968 is that he is about 20 years younger.

I second that emotion!