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Offline Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2012, 10:12:29 PM »
Eh??? McLeish has no plan. That is why we are shit. Nobody knows what they're supposed to be doing. When he was at blues he had a plan - defend. We don't even have that plan!

Offline Dave Cooper please

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2012, 10:19:43 PM »
Isn't this just the "Who's to blame" thread but with a different poll?
How many do we need?

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2012, 10:21:52 PM »
Isn't this just the "Who's to blame" thread but with a different poll?
How many do we need?


That's about who is to blame.

This is about who is the more stupid.  Both things contribute to our current predicament, but they aren't the same.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2012, 10:24:51 PM by Risso »

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2012, 10:22:23 PM »
Lerner.

McLeish is a poor football manager (as shown by his two relegations in four years) who should have got nowhere near the Villa job.

The fact he got it within weeks of getting Small Heath relegated beggars belief. For that, you have to point the finger at Randy.

I am sure he has generally good intentions, but he has proven himself to be way, way out of his depth when it comes to running sport businesses, on both sides of the Atlantic.

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2012, 10:23:51 PM »
The past two years have been conducted like a terrible am-dram production. If you were trying to write a ham-fisted farce about clueless authority and people promoted beyond their abilities, you'd be hard pressed to top the way Aston Villa have done it.

That's absolutely spot on, and very well put.

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2012, 10:29:29 PM »
Yes, all so true Paulie and curiousorange. I am not going to pretend to be wise after the event because I bought it all as much as the next Villa fan but I do remember wondering several times why the Cleveland Browns could be so unremittingly poor when he seemed to be doing such good things for us. Now I have found out. It is perhaps also time to admit that I didn't like the way a lot of loyal Villa fans had their throats jumped down as soon as they dared to query anything 'the General' said in his thread. I didn't have the guts to admit it at the time, but it didn't feel right. I wonder where he was today whilst we were all seething at that diving, cheating twat winning a pen for their first goal

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2012, 10:34:56 PM »
Isn't this just the "Who's to blame" thread but with a different poll?
How many do we need?


That's about who is to blame.

This is about who is the more stupid.  Both things contribute to our current predicament, but they aren't the same.

We needed a new thread for it though? Really?

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2012, 10:40:05 PM »
I didn't have the guts to admit it at the time, but it didn't feel right.

Yes, a lot of people are saying things now that they apparently thought at the time but 'didn't feel like saying'.

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2012, 10:44:33 PM »
I didn't have the guts to admit it at the time, but it didn't feel right.

Yes, a lot of people are saying things now that they apparently thought at the time but 'didn't feel like saying'.
Any time anybody questioned the general they had numerous posters jumping down there throat so I can see what Richard Moore means.

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2012, 10:45:32 PM »
The Buck stops with Lerner, he is responsible for a littany of crap decisions.
It is difficult to see how you could make a bigger mess of the club than he has unless that was the original intention.

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2012, 10:47:26 PM »
I didn't have the guts to admit it at the time, but it didn't feel right.

Yes, a lot of people are saying things now that they apparently thought at the time but 'didn't feel like saying'.

I wish I knew which thread I posted in about three or four years ago when I said that the time to judge Lerner as an owner would be after he had had to replace a manager and deal with a downturn in fortunes on the pitch.  Whilst I don't get any pleasure in saying it, those things have come to pass and I've made my judgement.

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2012, 10:48:04 PM »
I didn't have the guts to admit it at the time, but it didn't feel right.

Yes, a lot of people are saying things now that they apparently thought at the time but 'didn't feel like saying'.

A lot of people were taken in by Lerner and The General's propaganda.  Most people have the intelligence to have seen through it now.

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2012, 10:50:43 PM »
I didn't have the guts to admit it at the time, but it didn't feel right.

Yes, a lot of people are saying things now that they apparently thought at the time but 'didn't feel like saying'.
Any time anybody questioned the general they had numerous posters jumping down there throat so I can see what Richard Moore means.

Dave, I've just admitted I didn't have the guts to say it even though I thought it was bad that posters seemed unable to question the General without being subject to a witch hunt. I haven't said 'I didn't feel like saying' things at all. I wanted to but lacked the moral conviction to do so

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2012, 10:58:44 PM »
Lerner for me, he has created this mess.

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Re: Who is more clueless - Randy or McLeish?
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2012, 11:11:13 PM »
What makes this all the more disappointing is to see how divided villa fans are among themselves today. That's a sure sign that there's no escaping how bad things are. It's not like we're in 'transition'. Transition implies that a rebuilding programme is under way but hasn't been completed yet.

This is a dismantling.

 


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