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Offline olaftab

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Shay Given
« on: April 09, 2012, 11:31:46 PM »
I would like to suggest that Given is not a very good keeper and the main reason for us conceding so many goals from set pieces. Defence is panic stricken because they know that the GK will not give them any help at set pieces.  He has not made many obvious mistakes that  can be entirely pinned on him but that is because he does not do any thing brave.  Been said that he is a good shot stopper but so is every other keeper in th ePL.

I think we need to move him on and give Brad a longer run in the team.

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2012, 11:36:36 PM »
I agree you know. He's a very good shot-stopper but that has a tendency to mask the number of deficiencies in his game. When Guzan came in I though he was more authoritative of his box and his distribution was better. Given is rooted to his line and is the worst offender in our team when it comes to the aimless boofing. However, it was classic McLeish: favour the established, 'senior' player regardless of form.

Offline luke25

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2012, 11:37:22 PM »
I agree, his reaction saves are fantastic and look nice in a Match of the day type highlights show but his command of the box is gash, no chance of moving him on though with the contract we gave him.

Offline Chris Harte

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2012, 11:39:31 PM »
Being a good shot-stopper should be an absolute pre-requisite of playing between the sticks in the PL.

Not sure what Brad Guzan did to be moved aside when Given had recovered from his injury.

Offline myf

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2012, 11:40:03 PM »
Didn't we have the same problem last year though?

Offline Chipsticks

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2012, 11:47:35 PM »
From what I've seen, Guzan is no more authorative in his box and really struggles from crosses. Though I do agree that Given can suffer from this problem at times as well, though he's still a much better keeper than Guzan.

I think we'd really struggle to do better than Given anyway.

Offline hawkeye

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2012, 11:52:32 PM »
I thought that with Guzan we were more solid at the back and particularly from corners, any one got the stats?

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2012, 11:55:16 PM »
I used to think the same about Brad Friedel. But, look at his performances for Spurs this season. Villa keepers are under so much pressure these days due to a weak midfield and poor defending. Given is a top goalkeeper.

Offline Somniloquism

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2012, 11:57:48 PM »
From what I've seen, Guzan is no more authorative in his box and really struggles from crosses. Though I do agree that Given can suffer from this problem at times as well, though he's still a much better keeper than Guzan.

I think we'd really struggle to do better than Given anyway.

Guzan in his last showing, especially at Stoke, showed he had got over his fear of crosses he had in earlier matches a few years ago. Maybe his loan spell in the lower leagues helped. As to whether he is better then Given or not. It is hard to tell but one is on ~£70k and one is on £20k so is Given worth the extra £50k a week?

Offline TheSandman

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2012, 12:17:05 AM »
I did say something to this effect before we signed him.

Offline PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2012, 12:33:04 AM »
The majority of the goals we have conceded from set pieces come of a result of the ball not being dealt with at the near post, no keeper in the world uses that as their starting position.

Offline The Left Side

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2012, 12:47:27 AM »
I don't think he will be sold for one minute, AM loves him.

Offline littlevillain

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2012, 01:20:07 AM »
for me his biggest weakness is his kicking!, abysmal.

Offline Vancouver

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2012, 01:29:42 AM »
I wish that he would come out for a cross and smash James Collins in the back of the head

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Re: Shay Given
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2012, 05:53:32 AM »
Given's top class for me. He's not a big guy so getting off his line is more difficult. If he's  "great shot stopper" I'd rather him stay on his line and try to make a save than come up painfully short when punching a cross.

 


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