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Offline Gaztonniller

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If......
« on: January 12, 2012, 09:00:51 PM »
....we/VP were located in the capital, with the same ground capacity, catchment area etc, and only difference being situated in london. Would we/the club be in a better situation than we are now; Or wouldnt it make that much difference to the clubs fortunes.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2012, 09:39:32 PM by Gaztonniller »

Offline Handsworth Wood Villa

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Re: If......
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 09:11:16 PM »
Wouldn't make a difference imo.

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Re: If......
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 09:15:21 PM »
Then London would have a European Cup and the whole world would not make a lick of sense.

Cats would marry dogs and the seas would boil.

But to answer your point, we'd be the best supported club in the land as we'd all be cock-er-nees and not miserable Brummie wankers and downtrodden Yammers, with more cash in the pocket to get down the game.

The press would fawn over us and print endless stories about us.

Redknapp would be our manager and we'd play 'triffic football.

And we’d sing fack orf Arsenal, the city is ours.

Of course, we'd have more fans wearing berets and flap caps at silly angles.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2012, 09:18:11 PM by Ads »

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Re: If......
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 09:19:28 PM »
I think it makes a massive difference in this era of global Premiership football

You can sell living in London to a player, especially a foreign player. Birmingham is a much harder sell.

If a player was offered Birmingham or London on the same wages, they'd go for London every time.

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Re: If......
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 09:25:49 PM »
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!



Offline lovejoy

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Re: If......
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2012, 09:26:14 PM »
I think it makes a massive difference in this era of global Premiership football

You can sell living in London to a player, especially a foreign player. Birmingham is a much harder sell.

If a player was offered Birmingham or London on the same wages, they'd go for London every time.

But Manchester/Liverpool is as difficult a sell as Birmingham surely?

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Re: If......
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 09:29:31 PM »
And Tottenhams a shit hole!
They set it on fire!

Doesn't stop old 'arry though.

Offline Chipsticks

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Re: If......
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 09:35:26 PM »
Don't think so, one of our problems is that we'd have big, arguably bigger than Villa, clubs in close proximity to us as competition, in Spurs, Chelsea, and Arsenal. One of our advantages is that we've got a reputation (rightfully so) as the 'Biggest club in the Midlands', and I reckon we get the biggest draw of the area. Competing for fans with the afore mentioned big London clubs would probably mean that we'd be a club similar to the size of Fulham, with similar attendances around the 25,000 mark.

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Re: If......
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 09:37:04 PM »
If we were in London, then we'd have always been in London and therefore we'd be bigger than those Mickey Mouse clubs you've mentioned, like we have been for most of our 130 odd year history.

Alright, maybe Arsenal would be an exception.

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Re: If......
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2012, 09:38:31 PM »
IF you can keep your head when all about you...


That's one of my very favourite poems.  Rock on, Leeg!
 
If...Villa were London.  We would be Arsenal.  Or Dagenham and Redbridge if we hadn't grabbed all the opportunities.

Offline Billy Walker

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Re: If......
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2012, 09:48:03 PM »
Don't think so, one of our problems is that we'd have big, arguably bigger than Villa, clubs in close proximity to us as competition, in Spurs, Chelsea, and Arsenal. One of our advantages is that we've got a reputation (rightfully so) as the 'Biggest club in the Midlands', and I reckon we get the biggest draw of the area. Competing for fans with the afore mentioned big London clubs would probably mean that we'd be a club similar to the size of Fulham, with similar attendances around the 25,000 mark.

We'd be bigger than Tottenham, Arsenal and Chelsea because (assuming we had the same history) we would be the oldest, most established club in the whole of the south east.  Not only that, but if Villa had been a London club I don't think there would be an Arsenal as such.  My understanding of Herbert Chapman was that his vision for Arsenal was to make them into the Aston Villa of the south, even down to rebuilding their stadium to match the grandeur of Villa Park.  Indeed, I'm sure he changed Arsenal's kit to the red body/white sleeves (from all red) because he admired the famous claret body/blue sleeves design of the Villa kit.

Offline Chipsticks

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Re: If......
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2012, 09:53:45 PM »
Don't think so, one of our problems is that we'd have big, arguably bigger than Villa, clubs in close proximity to us as competition, in Spurs, Chelsea, and Arsenal. One of our advantages is that we've got a reputation (rightfully so) as the 'Biggest club in the Midlands', and I reckon we get the biggest draw of the area. Competing for fans with the afore mentioned big London clubs would probably mean that we'd be a club similar to the size of Fulham, with similar attendances around the 25,000 mark.

We'd be bigger than Tottenham, Arsenal and Chelsea because (assuming we had the same history) we would be the oldest, most established club in the whole of the south east.  Not only that, but if Villa had been a London club I don't think there would be an Arsenal as such.  My understanding of Herbert Chapman was that his vision for Arsenal was to make them into the Aston Villa of the south, even down to rebuilding their stadium to match the grandeur of Villa Park.  Indeed, I'm sure he changed Arsenal's kit to the red body/white sleeves (from all red) because he admired the famous claret body/blue sleeves design of the Villa kit.

Yeah but you've got to take into account that Chelsea and Arsenal have vastly bigger a fan base than us, with significantly bigger revenue. I wouldn't mind betting Spurs are in that bracket as well, as much as it's a shame to say, History means very little when dealing with catchment areas and the like, we're just not fashionable enough to compete with those 3 in terms of fan base and revenue in my opinion.

Offline Trinitymiddle

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Re: If......
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2012, 10:01:25 PM »
I think it makes a massive difference in this era of global Premiership football

You can sell living in London to a player, especially a foreign player. Birmingham is a much harder sell.

If a player was offered Birmingham or London on the same wages, they'd go for London every time.

But Manchester/Liverpool is as difficult a sell as Birmingham surely?

Those two tend to pay higher wages and can also guarantee (until recently in Liverpool's case) Champions League and the chance of winning medals. Playing for United is an easier sell than the Villa, even the most blinkered Villa fan would ageree. Even so, players have left Manchester, in spite of playing for "the greatest club in the world", because they dont settle.

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Re: If......
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2012, 10:09:19 PM »
If we were in the south-east we wouldn't have won much of what we've won. I don't think the first London club joined the Football League until we'd won it five times.

Offline Archie

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Re: If......
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2012, 10:30:22 PM »
Then London would have a European Cup and the whole world would not make a lick of sense.

Cats would marry dogs and the seas would boil.

But to answer your point, we'd be the best supported club in the land as we'd all be cock-er-nees and not miserable Brummie wankers and downtrodden Yammers, with more cash in the pocket to get down the game.

The press would fawn over us and print endless stories about us.

Redknapp would be our manager and we'd play 'triffic football.

And we’d sing fack orf Arsenal, the city is ours.

Of course, we'd have more fans wearing berets and flap caps at silly angles.


English humour is fantastic, this is the main reason why I love so much this Country!

 


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