Before yesterday when was the last time we conceded directly from a corner? In some games it's felt like that but in others they've done their jobs correctly.There seems no rhyme nor reason to it.
Quote from: Chris Smith on December 19, 2011, 11:12:55 PMQuote from: Clampy on December 19, 2011, 11:05:16 PMLuke Young has been a big loss i think. We always seemed a more organised defence whenever he played. I don't think Dunne and Collins are helped by two very average full backs. I don't see what that has to do with defending corners which is what prompted this thread.The highlighted bit maybe? But as Young used to be left back and that meant Cueller was RB, we had the extra head in the box at corners.
Quote from: Clampy on December 19, 2011, 11:05:16 PMLuke Young has been a big loss i think. We always seemed a more organised defence whenever he played. I don't think Dunne and Collins are helped by two very average full backs. I don't see what that has to do with defending corners which is what prompted this thread.
Luke Young has been a big loss i think. We always seemed a more organised defence whenever he played. I don't think Dunne and Collins are helped by two very average full backs.
Quote from: aftab235 on December 19, 2011, 10:04:46 PMZonal marking man to man marking I don't know what works but I do know that a corner against us is as good as a penalty unless the opposition make a mess of it.Before yesterday when was the last time we conceded directly from a corner? In some games it's felt like that but in others they've done their jobs correctly.There seems no rhyme nor reason to it.
Zonal marking man to man marking I don't know what works but I do know that a corner against us is as good as a penalty unless the opposition make a mess of it.
I just don't get zonal marking at all.
Quote from: ozzjim on December 19, 2011, 07:19:03 PMI just don't get zonal marking at all. Obviously.It's what we used to do when we were good at defending set-pieces.
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on December 20, 2011, 12:52:44 AMQuote from: ozzjim on December 19, 2011, 07:19:03 PMI just don't get zonal marking at all. Obviously.It's what we used to do when we were good at defending set-pieces.Correct.Martin Laursen has said precisely this in an article I have posted before.
How about that quote from the Dunner? "We've flitted between man marking and zonal marking in the past few seasons and never really pinpointed which one we should be doing."
That quote also illustrates that it was more than just last season when we flitted between the two. Apart from Cuellar at fullback, the other difference between 09/10 and 10/11 was Carew or Heskey (and sometimes both) also in our penalty area defending incoming deliveries. So Carew, Heskey, Cuellar, Dunne and Collins v Dunne, Collins and occasionally Heskey. Zonal or man to man, having 4/5 big bastards in our box compared to 2/3 is probably the most telling factor really.
Quote from: Clampy on December 19, 2011, 11:05:16 PMLuke Young has been a big loss i think. We always seemed a more organised defence whenever he played. I don't think Dunne and Collins are helped by two very average full backs. Hutton is not even average. I've never known a player so consistently get pulled out of position.