Quote from: Chris Smith on October 04, 2011, 12:35:13 PMQuote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on October 04, 2011, 12:21:17 PMMy understanding is it's now fine for 'individuals' to buy cards from foreign TV stations but not pubs. The landlady effectively lost her right to broadcast in her pub using the Greek card.She can reinstate her Greek decoder but not broadcast as she'd be breaching the PL copyright.QuoteThere was one other loser on Tuesday: Karen Murphy, the Portsmouth publican who started the case. Tired of the high prices Sky charges pubs and clubs, she went off and bought the original Greek satellite decoder card that caused all the trouble in the first place.Unfortunately, the court held that pubs who are in effect trying to profit from getting cheaper foreign decoder cards can't benefit. That's because she was breaching the copyright of the Premier League, not by showing live coverage of the football match itself, but by broadcasting the Premier League's logo or anthem without permission.The sanguine Premier League is already noting that it will be easy to stop publicans using its footage without permission by ensuring that its logo is on screen all the time, or its theme music played every time a replay is aired.
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on October 04, 2011, 12:21:17 PMMy understanding is it's now fine for 'individuals' to buy cards from foreign TV stations but not pubs. The landlady effectively lost her right to broadcast in her pub using the Greek card.
My understanding is it's now fine for 'individuals' to buy cards from foreign TV stations but not pubs. The landlady effectively lost her right to broadcast in her pub using the Greek card.
There was one other loser on Tuesday: Karen Murphy, the Portsmouth publican who started the case. Tired of the high prices Sky charges pubs and clubs, she went off and bought the original Greek satellite decoder card that caused all the trouble in the first place.Unfortunately, the court held that pubs who are in effect trying to profit from getting cheaper foreign decoder cards can't benefit. That's because she was breaching the copyright of the Premier League, not by showing live coverage of the football match itself, but by broadcasting the Premier League's logo or anthem without permission.The sanguine Premier League is already noting that it will be easy to stop publicans using its footage without permission by ensuring that its logo is on screen all the time, or its theme music played every time a replay is aired.
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on October 04, 2011, 12:55:54 PMQuote from: Chris Smith on October 04, 2011, 12:35:13 PMQuote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on October 04, 2011, 12:21:17 PMMy understanding is it's now fine for 'individuals' to buy cards from foreign TV stations but not pubs. The landlady effectively lost her right to broadcast in her pub using the Greek card.She can reinstate her Greek decoder but not broadcast as she'd be breaching the PL copyright.QuoteThere was one other loser on Tuesday: Karen Murphy, the Portsmouth publican who started the case. Tired of the high prices Sky charges pubs and clubs, she went off and bought the original Greek satellite decoder card that caused all the trouble in the first place.Unfortunately, the court held that pubs who are in effect trying to profit from getting cheaper foreign decoder cards can't benefit. That's because she was breaching the copyright of the Premier League, not by showing live coverage of the football match itself, but by broadcasting the Premier League's logo or anthem without permission.The sanguine Premier League is already noting that it will be easy to stop publicans using its footage without permission by ensuring that its logo is on screen all the time, or its theme music played every time a replay is aired.That's not quite how I read it (though admittedly I've only skimmed the full judgment) - what I think it is saying is that if you buy an individual subscription you are not breaching copyright by then "broadcasting" (showing in a pub) the match itself, but you are violating copyright law if you broadcast the FAPL's intellectual property (anthem, logo etc).The issue is therefore not that it's a foreign subscription, but that it's a domestic, not a commercial subscription. Presumably the broadcaster in Greece (or insert EU country here) also offers commercial subscriptions, that a UK pub could take up.Interesting aside - can Sky (unlikely to want to) or ESPN (perhaps more likely) now sue the FAPL, as it turns out the FAPL cannot guarantee exclusivity? That presumably makes the current contracts less valuable than previously thought.She is waiting for the High Court to endorse the ruling before reinstating her decoder.
Interesting aside - can Sky (unlikely to want to) or ESPN (perhaps more likely) now sue the FAPL, as it turns out the FAPL cannot guarantee exclusivity? That presumably makes the current contracts less valuable than previously thought.
Will this now drive clubs to sell their TV rights individually abroad? If so the n football will implode as the big clubs will command far higher fees than the likes of the Boltons of this world.
Quote from: Fuse on October 04, 2011, 03:39:59 PMWill this now drive clubs to sell their TV rights individually abroad? If so the n football will implode as the big clubs will command far higher fees than the likes of the Boltons of this world.Love the way you used Bolton as an example of a team nobody wants to watch...especially when there's a more obvious team...
Listening to Barry Hearne on Talkshite this afternoon - he was is raptures over the fact that Sky had exclusive rights and had paid handsomely for those rights. Basically little old landlord in Pompey would soon be put in her place by exclusive lawyers representing their exclusive clients. If she was allowed to "win" it would affect the "product" that is the Premier League etc etc. As ever its all about the money.Football is due one hell of a reality check - however like society in general, the rich get richer and look after their own. How long can clubs go on playing ridiculous fees and wages?Perhaps Sky and the PL should consider backing grassroots rather than subsidising the mega rich clubs. Not an effing chance.