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Author Topic: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?  (Read 13582 times)

Offline brontebilly

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Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« on: September 21, 2011, 03:42:28 PM »
We have better players now than that awful time but our debt and losses for which Lerner is solely responsible are crippling the club. Lets be honest about it, McLeish is a terrible manager. terrible. An unfathomable appointment. I thought he might turn out better than the hapless Houllier but the wimbeldon esque tactics will drive supporters away from the club in their droves. There is a malaise at the club that isnt far off the time O'Leary was writing letters to the papers trying the turn players against the chairman. Back then we were an attractive club for someone like Lerner to take over, now with our debt, losses and an increasingly disillusioned fanbase, Id argue we are in a worse state now as a club than then.

What do you all think?

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 03:44:40 PM »
I think there's too many miserable threads.

Offline eastie

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 03:46:10 PM »
Probably yes as the gap between the top clubs and ourselves has grown even bigger and the present squad is woefully inadequate-add to that the debts and general depression around the club and things look bleak indeed.

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 03:47:41 PM »
For the amounts of money spent, in many ways - but not all - we're not much further along than we were when he came, except now we've got enormous debts.

Mind you, I entirely agree with the miserable thread count point made by our Coventry Correspondent above.

Maybe we need to bundle these all up into one uber-thread?

Offline Walmley_Villa

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 03:48:38 PM »
We're Brummies, the glass is always half empty. We wouldn't have it any other way......... ;)

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 04:10:33 PM »
They break yer 'eart Tone.

Offline Clark W Griswold

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2011, 04:28:38 PM »
It's not quite as bad, but it feels worse as a fan, because at least in the last couple of years of Doug there was always the chance he would sell and it would get better. I look at it now and can see no end in sight, just many years of mediocrity and 'existing', somewhat like the Browns. I have to say, only the last 3 or 4 years under Ellis were as pointless and hopeless as things look now. Not that i want him back like, and not that i totally blame Lerner either, it is much to do with the way football is these days. But without money or a damn good plan of how to build a good exciting team without it, he might as well give up.

Offline Quiet Lion

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2011, 04:47:32 PM »
Not by any metric.

I will now have to imagine half the H&V user base as eyeliner wearing, floppy fringed, skinny jeans loving, self harming, Emos!


Offline eastie

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2011, 04:51:56 PM »
Not by any metric.

I will now have to imagine half the H&V user base as eyeliner wearing, floppy fringed, skinny jeans loving, self harming, Emos!



why imagine? Just look in the mirror!

Offline Damo70

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2011, 04:59:48 PM »
One more year of Doug N' Dave and we would have gone down. So unless you think we will go down this season then I would say we are in a better state. As for the debt, that situation is obviously being addressed.

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2011, 05:00:59 PM »
It's all very disappointing, and I don't think that for all the money spent [wasted] that we're any stronger at all.


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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2011, 05:18:37 PM »
About the same I'd say.

So far as finances go, the club is not better off now as regards revenues than had Ellis stayed. It also has a shed load of debt to Lerner to pay down, and precious little to show for it.

At least if HDE had stayed MON would not have been so profligate, and I still think MON with less money would have had us top half and decent cup runs (managed it with Leicester). Also Ellis would never have appointed McLeish, and would never have put the club in a position where so much compensation had to paid out to MON/ Houllier/ BCFC.

Not that I miss Herbert much, just that I really don't see how Lerner is better these days.

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2011, 05:27:45 PM »
heaven knows I think there's too many miserable threads.

Said like a true Smiff fan.

Offline Richie

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2011, 05:31:22 PM »
Ashton, I think O'Neill only took the job because he knew Lerner was taking over and he had cash to spend. I don't reckon he would have took the job if the previous regime was carrying on running the club.

Agree with you that Old Deadly would never have appointed McLeish and no matter what anyone thought of Doug, his love for the club was never in doubt.

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Re: Is the club in a worse state now than when Lerner took over?
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2011, 05:33:23 PM »
It's not quite as bad, but it feels worse as a fan, because at least in the last couple of years of Doug there was always the chance he would sell and it would get better. I look at it now and can see no end in sight, just many years of mediocrity and 'existing', somewhat like the Browns. I have to say, only the last 3 or 4 years under Ellis were as pointless and hopeless as things look now. Not that i want him back like, and not that i totally blame Lerner either, it is much to do with the way football is these days. But without money or a damn good plan of how to build a good exciting team without it, he might as well give up.

Nicely point, completely agree.

 


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