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Offline The Laughing Policeman

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Safe Standing Petition.
« on: August 22, 2011, 07:58:50 PM »
Given what the guys of Brigada 1874 are trying to do, and the fact that I detest sitting at football matches. I want to bring this to your attention.
As it says on the petition it works in Germany why shouldn't it here.?
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1908

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2011, 08:03:34 PM »
Much as I loved standing at football, terracing is never coming back.

Offline Ad@m

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2011, 08:09:43 PM »
Never going to happen. Seats carry more benefits to more people than terraces do.

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2011, 08:13:00 PM »
No one is advocating the wholesale return of the terraces.
All we want is designated areas where seats can be removed and a certificate can be issued for a certain number of fans to be admitted to that area. Exactly in the same way as tickets are now sold for all seater stadia.
Those of you who say it can't or wont work should pay a visit to a Bundesliga ground. I recommend 1 FC Koln.

Offline spangley1812

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2011, 08:14:01 PM »
Never going to happen.....Move on

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2011, 08:16:15 PM »
Never going to happen. Seats carry more benefits to more people than terraces do.

What benefits are you referring to, not being able to see the match when the person in front decides that he will stand all the match despite paying for a seat?

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2011, 08:16:45 PM »
It doesn't matter how large or small a terracing area, for many reasons it's never coming back.

Offline The Laughing Policeman

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2011, 08:22:38 PM »
It doesn't matter how large or small a terracing area, for many reasons it's never coming back.
There's only one reason it wont come back............the apathy of people who are willing to put up with the bullsh*t fed to them by the governing bodies. And who seem to enjoy the lack of atmosphere at our major football grounds.

Offline spangley1812

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2011, 08:26:14 PM »
It doesn't matter how large or small a terracing area, for many reasons it's never coming back.
There's only one reason it wont come back............the apathy of people who are willing to put up with the bullsh*t fed to them by the governing bodies. And who seem to enjoy the lack of atmosphere at our major football grounds.
What was the reason all seater stadiums were introduced

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2011, 08:26:37 PM »
It doesn't matter how large or small a terracing area, for many reasons it's never coming back.
There's only one reason it wont come back............the apathy of people who are willing to put up with the bullsh*t fed to them by the governing bodies. And who seem to enjoy the lack of atmosphere at our major football grounds.

Yes, that is of course the only reason terracing isn't already back.

Offline The Laughing Policeman

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2011, 08:37:51 PM »
Yes spangly we all know why all seater stadia were introduced, and it was adopted by EUFA to make it mandatory Europe wide, but with the proviso that governing FA's could apply for certain areas of grounds to be exempted for league matches but with strict licensing conditions.
As I said in my OP it works in Germany and elsewhere.

Offline hilts_coolerking

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2011, 08:38:08 PM »
Of all the things to petition the government about, the right to stand up for a couple of hours seems trivial to say the least.  As others have said, it's never going to happen.  From the government's point of view there is nothing to gain and much to lose.

Offline spangley1812

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2011, 08:43:07 PM »
Yes spangly we all know why all seater stadia were introduced, and it was adopted by EUFA to make it mandatory Europe wide, but with the proviso that governing FA's could apply for certain areas of grounds to be exempted for league matches but with strict licensing conditions.
As I said in my OP it works in Germany and elsewhere.
This topic has been discussed many times on this forum it may well work in other countries but you are wasting your time

Offline Ad@m

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2011, 09:35:28 PM »
Never going to happen. Seats carry more benefits to more people than terraces do.

What benefits are you referring to, not being able to see the match when the person in front decides that he will stand all the match despite paying for a seat?

Off the top of my head:

For the regulatory authorities - safety

For the clubs - safety and the ability to charge more money to punters

For fans - safety and the increased accessibility; I don't have the figures but I'd bet my life earnings that the number of women, children, and disabled people attending football matches is significantly higher now to the 80s.

And ignoring all the logical arguments, Hillsbrough is enough to stop anyone in authority with any common sense whatsoever to suggest bringing terracing back.  I'm not aware that Germany has had a Hillsbrough equivalent and the emotion attached to it means we'll never see large-scale terracing again.

As proven by the numerous campaigns over the past few years, there just isn't enough support for this to make it worth while for those that make the decisions.  You're basically asking clubs to spend money changing the grounds again, for no financial reward (indeed you'd probably expect lower prices to stand) and with the increased safety risk.  Given attendances are so high anyway what exactly is football's incentive to make this happen?

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Re: Safe Standing Petition.
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2011, 10:21:30 PM »
Man Citeh have a safe standing area of sorts.
Mind you so do Villa it's called the North Stand Lower.
Haven't sat in there since it opened,they might as well get rid of the seats.
It would be safer.

 


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