Deadly Doug & Managers

[PeterWithesShin]

In those days I had hair, I miss that.

[dave shelley]

In those days I had hair, I miss that.

Me too.  I also miss seeing my knob.

[Villanation]

As much as people like to knock Doug Ellis, me included at times, he left the club in very good shape that RL has benefited from and IMO he sold Villa at far less a value than it was really worth, even then IMO it was his concern that he found the right man rather than someone that would take advantage of the club, think that counted more than profit.

Was Doug Ellis more switched on than RL, I doubt very much we would have gone this long without direction, that said Randy Lerner has only been here a few years so jury is still out, I think the point about the good times and the bad times is right, its now we will see the real value of the chairman.

[Eigentor]

Was Deadly more decisive than Randy: definately, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse.

Overall, was Deadly a better chairman than Randy is: no way.

[dave.woodhall]

As much as people like to knock Doug Ellis, me included at times, he left the club in very good shape that RL has benefited from and IMO he sold Villa at far less a value than it was really worth, even then IMO it was his concern that he found the right man rather than someone that would take advantage of the club, think that counted more than profit.

Was Doug Ellis more switched on than RL, I doubt very much we would have gone this long without direction, that said Randy Lerner has only been here a few years so jury is still out, I think the point about the good times and the bad times is right, its now we will see the real value of the chairman.

That's some revisionism there. At the moment there's uproar because we're linked with the former Small Heath manager. And where did Doug start his football directorship life?

[Villanation]

As much as people like to knock Doug Ellis, me included at times, he left the club in very good shape that RL has benefited from and IMO he sold Villa at far less a value than it was really worth, even then IMO it was his concern that he found the right man rather than someone that would take advantage of the club, think that counted more than profit.

Was Doug Ellis more switched on than RL, I doubt very much we would have gone this long without direction, that said Randy Lerner has only been here a few years so jury is still out, I think the point about the good times and the bad times is right, its now we will see the real value of the chairman.

That's some revisionism there. At the moment there's uproar because we're linked with the former Small Heath manager. And where did Doug start his football directorship life?

@dave. No question there are some massive grey area's around Dougies wheeling and dealings, hell as a kid i washed his Jag and he still owe's me the sheckles, the only point i was making is that in part, a pretty large part, Villa are what they are to some degree down to Mr Ellis. Thats the only point, and also, you have to say when Doug moved he moved fast, hiring and firing.

[PeterWithesShin]

Just out of interest, can anyone remember how much time there was between SGT1 leaving and BFR arriving, as that's about the longest gap I can remember us having between managers under Ellis? Mind you, as he got rid of so many (mutually of course!) mid season he usually had to act sharpish.

[dave.woodhall]

Just out of interest, can anyone remember how much time there was between SGT1 leaving and BFR arriving, as that's about the longest gap I can remember us having between managers under Ellis? Mind you, as he got rid of so many (mutually of course!) mid season he usually had to act sharpish.

About eleven months - Dr Jo came in between.

[PeterWithesShin]

Just out of interest, can anyone remember how much time there was between SGT1 leaving and BFR arriving, as that's about the longest gap I can remember us having between managers under Ellis? Mind you, as he got rid of so many (mutually of course!) mid season he usually had to act sharpish.

About eleven months - Dr Jo came in between.

I meant Dr Jo and BFR!

Jeeze i'm a twat. Absolutely no idea why I typed SGT1. I blame the lack of hair affecting my brain.

[dave.woodhall]

As much as people like to knock Doug Ellis, me included at times, he left the club in very good shape that RL has benefited from and IMO he sold Villa at far less a value than it was really worth, even then IMO it was his concern that he found the right man rather than someone that would take advantage of the club, think that counted more than profit.

Was Doug Ellis more switched on than RL, I doubt very much we would have gone this long without direction, that said Randy Lerner has only been here a few years so jury is still out, I think the point about the good times and the bad times is right, its now we will see the real value of the chairman.

That's some revisionism there. At the moment there's uproar because we're linked with the former Small Heath manager. And where did Doug start his football directorship life?

@dave. No question there are some massive grey area's around Dougies wheeling and dealings, hell as a kid i washed his Jag and he still owe's me the sheckles, the only point i was making is that in part, a pretty large part, Villa are what they are to some degree down to Mr Ellis. Thats the only point, and also, you have to say when Doug moved he moved fast, hiring and firing.

Except when he sacked Barton and the job was touted around Europe before we finally got Turner six weeks later. Sir Graham left in May 1990 - after being turned down by Joe Jordan and Gerry Francis Dr Jo eventually arrived during the pre-season tour. 16 days (during the season) between BFR and Brian. That's not moving fast.

[Ian.]

Its not the first time we have been turned down then?

Out of curiosity did we actually call off an appointment with McClaren due to fan power? Or is it the press (Sky Sports) actually making that one up?

[mozza]

Doug had Steve Stride whereas Randy has Paul Faulkner ?

[Villanation]

As much as people like to knock Doug Ellis, me included at times, he left the club in very good shape that RL has benefited from and IMO he sold Villa at far less a value than it was really worth, even then IMO it was his concern that he found the right man rather than someone that would take advantage of the club, think that counted more than profit.

Was Doug Ellis more switched on than RL, I doubt very much we would have gone this long without direction, that said Randy Lerner has only been here a few years so jury is still out, I think the point about the good times and the bad times is right, its now we will see the real value of the chairman.

That's some revisionism there. At the moment there's uproar because we're linked with the former Small Heath manager. And where did Doug start his football directorship life?

@dave. No question there are some massive grey area's around Dougies wheeling and dealings, hell as a kid i washed his Jag and he still owe's me the sheckles, the only point i was making is that in part, a pretty large part, Villa are what they are to some degree down to Mr Ellis. Thats the only point, and also, you have to say when Doug moved he moved fast, hiring and firing.

Except when he sacked Barton and the job was touted around Europe before we finally got Turner six weeks later. Sir Graham left in May 1990 - after being turned down by Joe Jordan and Gerry Francis Dr Jo eventually arrived during the pre-season tour. 16 days (during the season) between BFR and Brian. That's not moving fast.

This is true, but generally Ellis was a decisive person as many ex managers would say, I suppose the real cross Doug has to live with is the period between 79 and 82  unfortunate that, but he didn't shrink from taking decisions, I remember when he wrecked the squad in the middle/ late eighties and we got relagated, but again his claim was he did that to make the club viable.

[dave.woodhall]

This is true, but generally Ellis was a decisive person as many ex managers would say, I suppose the real cross Doug has to live with is the period between 79 and 82  unfortunate that, but he didn't shrink from taking decisions, I remember when he wrecked the squad in the middle/ late eighties and we got relagated, but again his claim was he did that to make the club viable.

He did it to make them relegated.

[Villanation]

This is true, but generally Ellis was a decisive person as many ex managers would say, I suppose the real cross Doug has to live with is the period between 79 and 82  unfortunate that, but he didn't shrink from taking decisions, I remember when he wrecked the squad in the middle/ late eighties and we got relagated, but again his claim was he did that to make the club viable.

He did it to make them relegated.

The view from the terraces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!