The brute fact is that the £15-20million we will get for him will be better for us than keeping the player now.
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 08, 2011, 01:44:27 PMI know. Seems though that many have been offended by it though. Pathetic really.I'm sorry SH but it is not 'pathetic' to expect someone who has a wonderful lifestyle, a job any of us would give our left arm for, and is paid obscene amounts of money to be a role model to kids to behave like a professional and not scream profanities at his colleagues in the full gaze of the watching world.For large parts of this season he's been the club's captain and that sort of behaviour is nothing like what should be expected of Aston Villa's captain.There will be kids who've watched that who will want to emulate their hero. I don't want a generation of kids who think shouting 'fuck off' when they do something good at work is acceptable. Rooney apologised when he did it directly into a camera. Although I'm not saying Ash should publicly apologise the principle that he's done something wrong is exactly the same.
I know. Seems though that many have been offended by it though. Pathetic really.
If you gave your left arm to become a footballer, wouldn't that then mean you couldn't become one? (Professional in the Premier League that is).
Ashley needs taking down a peg or two. Going to Man Utd, or any big club, and being surrounded by much better and bigger players than him will do wonders for his game. I don't think he'll lose much of the petulance, because that stuff is only magnified with those teams, but I'm sure his game will mature as he settles down to a job that he's TOLD to do, rather than one he himself demands.
Quote from: Kingthing on May 08, 2011, 08:18:53 AMQuote from: adrenachrome on May 08, 2011, 01:14:17 AMQuote from: Kingthing on May 07, 2011, 11:51:36 PMQuote from: adrenachrome on May 07, 2011, 09:28:20 PMQuote from: holtepaul on May 07, 2011, 08:19:21 PMagree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.He did not throw himself to the ground on this occasion.A defender was slyly tugging his shirt from behind and when he let go Ash stumbled forward. One of Newton's Laws of Motion. Maybe if he had a bungy jump rope tied round his waste but a bit of shirt pulling? I know he's a streak of piss but I'm afraid he's a cheat, dives better than Tom Daley and moans like hell at every opportunity. Saying all that I had to defend him, and me, when awarding him the MOTM against West Ham. Its a sad fact but football changed when the rules changed and you couldn't tackle anyone with any commitment.From what I remember in the 80's nobody was booked for diving, you went down because Allan Evans hacked you down and you got up off your arse to get it back, not rolled around crying like a fucking baby. I'm going to bed. The bungy dump rope analogy makes no sense at all in this context and you seem to be crying like a fucking baby yourself.I'm at ease with my analogy thanks. May I suggest you lay off the Stella. I apologise for the abusive nature of my post, Kingthing, and you are quite right that alcohol was involved in no small measure.
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 08, 2011, 01:14:17 AMQuote from: Kingthing on May 07, 2011, 11:51:36 PMQuote from: adrenachrome on May 07, 2011, 09:28:20 PMQuote from: holtepaul on May 07, 2011, 08:19:21 PMagree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.He did not throw himself to the ground on this occasion.A defender was slyly tugging his shirt from behind and when he let go Ash stumbled forward. One of Newton's Laws of Motion. Maybe if he had a bungy jump rope tied round his waste but a bit of shirt pulling? I know he's a streak of piss but I'm afraid he's a cheat, dives better than Tom Daley and moans like hell at every opportunity. Saying all that I had to defend him, and me, when awarding him the MOTM against West Ham. Its a sad fact but football changed when the rules changed and you couldn't tackle anyone with any commitment.From what I remember in the 80's nobody was booked for diving, you went down because Allan Evans hacked you down and you got up off your arse to get it back, not rolled around crying like a fucking baby. I'm going to bed. The bungy dump rope analogy makes no sense at all in this context and you seem to be crying like a fucking baby yourself.I'm at ease with my analogy thanks. May I suggest you lay off the Stella.
Quote from: Kingthing on May 07, 2011, 11:51:36 PMQuote from: adrenachrome on May 07, 2011, 09:28:20 PMQuote from: holtepaul on May 07, 2011, 08:19:21 PMagree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.He did not throw himself to the ground on this occasion.A defender was slyly tugging his shirt from behind and when he let go Ash stumbled forward. One of Newton's Laws of Motion. Maybe if he had a bungy jump rope tied round his waste but a bit of shirt pulling? I know he's a streak of piss but I'm afraid he's a cheat, dives better than Tom Daley and moans like hell at every opportunity. Saying all that I had to defend him, and me, when awarding him the MOTM against West Ham. Its a sad fact but football changed when the rules changed and you couldn't tackle anyone with any commitment.From what I remember in the 80's nobody was booked for diving, you went down because Allan Evans hacked you down and you got up off your arse to get it back, not rolled around crying like a fucking baby. I'm going to bed. The bungy dump rope analogy makes no sense at all in this context and you seem to be crying like a fucking baby yourself.
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 07, 2011, 09:28:20 PMQuote from: holtepaul on May 07, 2011, 08:19:21 PMagree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.He did not throw himself to the ground on this occasion.A defender was slyly tugging his shirt from behind and when he let go Ash stumbled forward. One of Newton's Laws of Motion. Maybe if he had a bungy jump rope tied round his waste but a bit of shirt pulling? I know he's a streak of piss but I'm afraid he's a cheat, dives better than Tom Daley and moans like hell at every opportunity. Saying all that I had to defend him, and me, when awarding him the MOTM against West Ham. Its a sad fact but football changed when the rules changed and you couldn't tackle anyone with any commitment.From what I remember in the 80's nobody was booked for diving, you went down because Allan Evans hacked you down and you got up off your arse to get it back, not rolled around crying like a fucking baby. I'm going to bed.
Quote from: holtepaul on May 07, 2011, 08:19:21 PMagree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.He did not throw himself to the ground on this occasion.A defender was slyly tugging his shirt from behind and when he let go Ash stumbled forward. One of Newton's Laws of Motion.
agree 100% - I cheered when he was booked.And I tell you this, he was lucky to be on the pitch coz he clearly dived in the first half trying to get a penalty = something no one seems to have picked up on.
Absolutely. Take our best player out of the team and we'll be better for it!Fucking hell!
I like passion, I like that he cares, but I wish he would pick his battles better. Oh well, he won't be here to start these kind of debates next year.
Can we change the thread title to The petulance of Villa fans.
I once played football against someone with only one arm. Absolutely bizarre. Didn't feel like it was fair on him. Thankfully he was rubbish or I'd have got some stick off the lads.
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 08, 2011, 11:22:33 AMAbsolutely. Take our best player out of the team and we'll be better for it!Fucking hell!Yes - why not ? It's happened countless times before and we have survived and arguably become better for itI cried my eyes out when Gerry Hitchens went to Italy and wasn't chuffed when Platt & Yorkiewent to further their careers elsewhereNo one player is bigger than the club, but I get the impression that young Ashley maybe thinks he is ?