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Offline pauliewalnuts

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2011, 05:13:04 PM »
It's been said before Paulie, that if Carew was "up for it" all of the time, he wouldn't ever have ended up at Villa in the first place.

That's true enough.


Offline Villa'Zawg

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2011, 06:44:30 PM »
Carew's goals per appearance record sits somewhere between Gray/Platt and Withe/Shaw. He must be some player if he's done that without being up for it.

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2011, 06:55:22 PM »
Carew's goals per appearance record sits somewhere between Gray/Platt and Withe/Shaw. He must be some player if he's done that without being up for it.
Fair point but take into account jc's natural abilities. His sheer size and strength guarantees him a large return. Added to the fact he is a great finisher with both head and feet,  and this goes some way to explaining his healthy return without really giving 100%. his class and ability has never been in doubt...

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2011, 07:05:20 PM »
Carew's goals per appearance record sits somewhere between Gray/Platt and Withe/Shaw. He must be some player if he's done that without being up for it.

We all know how good he can be, but we are just the latest club to see him be outstanding for two seasons and then be shite and move on, he's done it throughout his career. I have no idea why.

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2011, 07:32:22 PM »
And if we had signed Bent from Ipswich like I said.... Or when he left Spuds like many of us were advocating the Blessed St Martin should have....

Offline Arsey

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2011, 08:30:24 PM »
Carew got 37 goals in 113 appearances, 1 goal per 3.05 games. 

Benty - 7 from 12 - 1 per 1.7
Withe - 74 from 182 - 1 per 2.5
Shaw - 59 from 169 - 1 per 2.9
Deano - 37 from 110 - 1 per 2.97
Savo - 29 from 90 - 1 per 3.1
Yorkie - 73 from 232 - 1 per 3.2
Dublin - 48 from 155 - 1 per 3.3
Rambo - 18 from 59 - 1 per 3.3
Joachim - 39 from 141 - 1 per 3.6
Gabby - 49 from 178 - 1 per 3.6
Dalian - 23 from 85 - 1 per 3.7
JPA - 44 from 175 - 1 per 4.0
Vassell - 35 from 162 - 1 per 4.6





Offline Arsey

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #36 on: April 26, 2011, 08:30:49 PM »
Carew got 37 goals in 113 appearances, 1 goal per 3.05 games. 

Benty - 7 from 12 - 1 per 1.7
Withe - 74 from 182 - 1 per 2.5
Shaw - 59 from 169 - 1 per 2.9
Deano - 37 from 110 - 1 per 2.97
Savo - 29 from 90 - 1 per 3.1
Yorkie - 73 from 232 - 1 per 3.2
Dublin - 48 from 155 - 1 per 3.3
Rambo - 18 from 59 - 1 per 3.3
Joachim - 39 from 141 - 1 per 3.6
Gabby - 49 from 178 - 1 per 3.6
Dalian - 23 from 85 - 1 per 3.7
JPA - 44 from 175 - 1 per 4.0
Vassell - 35 from 162 - 1 per 4.6






Benty !!!!!!!

Offline The Left Side

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2011, 09:16:36 PM »
Great Stats!

Offline pauliewalnuts

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2011, 09:26:59 PM »
And if we had signed Bent from Ipswich like I said.... Or when he left Spuds like many of us were advocating the Blessed St Martin should have....

When Bent left Spurs to go to Sunderland for 10m in 2009, Martin was too busy spending 20 million pounds on defenders, partly to replace the ones he'd spent 25m on the season before.

This was at a time when we clearly needed more firepower. The striker he bought in 09 was Emile Heskey, the one before that was Marlon Harewood, who, combined, cost not a lot less than Bent cost Sunderland.

Some of the players Martin bought were good buys, but if anything illustrates the scattergun nature of his transfer policy and the frivolous way he chucked money around (fees and, more importantly, wages), it is the above.

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2011, 09:43:30 PM »
I wish we'd signed Bent in summer 2009.

I'm certain he'd have turned a few of those many home draws into wins and got us 4th and won us the league cup.

I think he'd have been very effective in a MON team that got the ball more forward quickly, set pieces were more accurate and he would've had Heskey/ Carew/gabby alongside him to hold the ball up.

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2011, 09:44:39 PM »
Carew's goals per appearance record sits somewhere between Gray/Platt and Withe/Shaw. He must be some player if he's done that without being up for it.

Except as the facts below show, he didn't.

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2011, 09:47:10 PM »
Carew did have pretty much a 1 in 2 goal record for us though despite the sulks and injury so superior to pretty much any striker we've had in the last 10 years who we've signed pre bent.

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2011, 09:51:36 PM »
Chelsea paid £50 million for Fernando Torres who has scored one goal in 14 appearances for them.

Villa paid less than half of that amount for Darren Bent who has scored seven goals in 12 appearances for us.

Did Gérard Houllier know what he was doing or what?

If Bent had cost us 50 mil and Torres had gone to Chelsea for 18 mil then I would still say that we have got the best deal.  This is largely due to the fact that he has kept us in the Premier League with his goals and that alone is almost invaluable.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2011, 01:34:23 AM by Holtenderinthesky »

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2011, 09:57:29 PM »
Carew's goals per appearance record sits somewhere between Gray/Platt and Withe/Shaw. He must be some player if he's done that without being up for it.

Except as the facts below show, he didn't.

Depends where Platt and Gray come from on that list. Either they weren't worked out or they are off the bottom in which case VD is correct that he falls between Gray/Platt and Withe/Shaw.

Offline pauliewalnuts

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Re: Which Club Had The Better Deal?
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2011, 10:54:02 PM »
Carew's goals per appearance record sits somewhere between Gray/Platt and Withe/Shaw. He must be some player if he's done that without being up for it.

Except as the facts below show, he didn't.

Depends where Platt and Gray come from on that list. Either they weren't worked out or they are off the bottom in which case VD is correct that he falls between Gray/Platt and Withe/Shaw.

I can only find figures for all players if we take league appearances only.

Andy Gray - 167 apps, 59 goals - 1 goal per 2.83 games
Platt - 121 apps, 50 goals- 1 goal per 2.42 games
Shaw - 165 apps, 59 goals - 1 goal per 2.79 games
Withe - 182 apps, 74 goals - 1 goal per 2.45 games

Carew - 113 apps, 37 goals - 1 goal per 3.05 games.

 


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