Louis Vitton or Dolce Gabana?
Quote from: Pete3206 on February 03, 2011, 02:10:01 PMQuote from: Jimbo on February 03, 2011, 12:54:44 PMOn a related point, why hasn't the BBC sacked Clarkson and his pair of poodles from Top Gear, for making racist jibes against Mexicans? How come it's been relatively overlooked in the media? Is it because it's impossible to be racist against Mexicans? Can the government issue a list of nationalities we can perpetuate stereotypes about, please, because I'm getting confused. I'm pretty sure I'd be hanged if I applied what they said to Jamaicans, for example, but I think Eskimos and the Welsh are fair game. I'm not sure. Can anyone help?I'm pretty certain Clarkson and Top Gear make money for the BBC. While he's useful, they'll keep him around.Too true, plus the fact that it was said in a different context and as such a defence, if needed, could be launched.This is the biggest issue surrounding the whole thing. What Keys and Gray said, despite what some may claim was utterly serious. It wasn't jovial or humorous, it was 2 blokes bemoaning the fact that women were involved in officiating football matches.Top Gear is a light hearted entertainment show that is not meant to be taken seriously, including comments therein. The same applies to the Soccerette on Sky, the claptap spouted on Loose Women etc etc.There is a marked difference. Thats why Gray and Keys are out of a job and Hammond isn't.Just for the record, I can't abide Top Gear or the wankers who are on it.
Quote from: Jimbo on February 03, 2011, 12:54:44 PMOn a related point, why hasn't the BBC sacked Clarkson and his pair of poodles from Top Gear, for making racist jibes against Mexicans? How come it's been relatively overlooked in the media? Is it because it's impossible to be racist against Mexicans? Can the government issue a list of nationalities we can perpetuate stereotypes about, please, because I'm getting confused. I'm pretty sure I'd be hanged if I applied what they said to Jamaicans, for example, but I think Eskimos and the Welsh are fair game. I'm not sure. Can anyone help?I'm pretty certain Clarkson and Top Gear make money for the BBC. While he's useful, they'll keep him around.
On a related point, why hasn't the BBC sacked Clarkson and his pair of poodles from Top Gear, for making racist jibes against Mexicans? How come it's been relatively overlooked in the media? Is it because it's impossible to be racist against Mexicans? Can the government issue a list of nationalities we can perpetuate stereotypes about, please, because I'm getting confused. I'm pretty sure I'd be hanged if I applied what they said to Jamaicans, for example, but I think Eskimos and the Welsh are fair game. I'm not sure. Can anyone help?
Quote from: D.boy on February 03, 2011, 05:24:02 PMLouis Vitton or Dolce Gabana?Radley's.
Quote from: Nev on February 03, 2011, 03:05:44 PMQuote from: Pete3206 on February 03, 2011, 02:10:01 PMQuote from: Jimbo on February 03, 2011, 12:54:44 PMOn a related point, why hasn't the BBC sacked Clarkson and his pair of poodles from Top Gear, for making racist jibes against Mexicans? How come it's been relatively overlooked in the media? Is it because it's impossible to be racist against Mexicans? Can the government issue a list of nationalities we can perpetuate stereotypes about, please, because I'm getting confused. I'm pretty sure I'd be hanged if I applied what they said to Jamaicans, for example, but I think Eskimos and the Welsh are fair game. I'm not sure. Can anyone help?I'm pretty certain Clarkson and Top Gear make money for the BBC. While he's useful, they'll keep him around.Too true, plus the fact that it was said in a different context and as such a defence, if needed, could be launched.This is the biggest issue surrounding the whole thing. What Keys and Gray said, despite what some may claim was utterly serious. It wasn't jovial or humorous, it was 2 blokes bemoaning the fact that women were involved in officiating football matches.Top Gear is a light hearted entertainment show that is not meant to be taken seriously, including comments therein. The same applies to the Soccerette on Sky, the claptap spouted on Loose Women etc etc.There is a marked difference. Thats why Gray and Keys are out of a job and Hammond isn't.Just for the record, I can't abide Top Gear or the wankers who are on it.Yes, Nev, I'm perfectly aware of the context. Would we still be dismissing it as just a harmless joke within the context of a lighthearted programme if they were referring to, say, Pakistanis? Personally, I'm not offended by what they say. Neither was I offended by Gray and Keys' comments. But either you're perfectly okey-dokey to perpetuate stereotypical rubbish about people of all nationalities or you're not. Now, which is it? Why are some nationalities fair game, and others a big no-no? I'm genuinely stumped by it (apologies to all 'unidexters').
Quote from: Legion on February 03, 2011, 05:26:12 PMQuote from: D.boy on February 03, 2011, 05:24:02 PMLouis Vitton or Dolce Gabana?Radley's.Good choice, Legion.
Quote from: Jimbo on February 03, 2011, 06:07:02 PMQuote from: Nev on February 03, 2011, 03:05:44 PMQuote from: Pete3206 on February 03, 2011, 02:10:01 PMQuote from: Jimbo on February 03, 2011, 12:54:44 PMOn a related point, why hasn't the BBC sacked Clarkson and his pair of poodles from Top Gear, for making racist jibes against Mexicans? How come it's been relatively overlooked in the media? Is it because it's impossible to be racist against Mexicans? Can the government issue a list of nationalities we can perpetuate stereotypes about, please, because I'm getting confused. I'm pretty sure I'd be hanged if I applied what they said to Jamaicans, for example, but I think Eskimos and the Welsh are fair game. I'm not sure. Can anyone help?I'm pretty certain Clarkson and Top Gear make money for the BBC. While he's useful, they'll keep him around.Too true, plus the fact that it was said in a different context and as such a defence, if needed, could be launched.This is the biggest issue surrounding the whole thing. What Keys and Gray said, despite what some may claim was utterly serious. It wasn't jovial or humorous, it was 2 blokes bemoaning the fact that women were involved in officiating football matches.Top Gear is a light hearted entertainment show that is not meant to be taken seriously, including comments therein. The same applies to the Soccerette on Sky, the claptap spouted on Loose Women etc etc.There is a marked difference. Thats why Gray and Keys are out of a job and Hammond isn't.Just for the record, I can't abide Top Gear or the wankers who are on it.Yes, Nev, I'm perfectly aware of the context. Would we still be dismissing it as just a harmless joke within the context of a lighthearted programme if they were referring to, say, Pakistanis? Personally, I'm not offended by what they say. Neither was I offended by Gray and Keys' comments. But either you're perfectly okey-dokey to perpetuate stereotypical rubbish about people of all nationalities or you're not. Now, which is it? Why are some nationalities fair game, and others a big no-no? I'm genuinely stumped by it (apologies to all 'unidexters'). History and culture would appear to influence our senistivity to this sort of "humour". I'm sure Jewish jokes would be considered pretty off-colour in many coutries. The mexican stereotype wouldn't go down well in parts of the U.S just as "Paki" jokes wouldn't here. The British have historically stereotyped the Irish, yet within Ireland stereotypes exist from county to county.
Quote from: Nev on February 03, 2011, 06:45:42 PMQuote from: Jimbo on February 03, 2011, 06:07:02 PMQuote from: Nev on February 03, 2011, 03:05:44 PMQuote from: Pete3206 on February 03, 2011, 02:10:01 PMQuote from: Jimbo on February 03, 2011, 12:54:44 PMOn a related point, why hasn't the BBC sacked Clarkson and his pair of poodles from Top Gear, for making racist jibes against Mexicans? How come it's been relatively overlooked in the media? Is it because it's impossible to be racist against Mexicans? Can the government issue a list of nationalities we can perpetuate stereotypes about, please, because I'm getting confused. I'm pretty sure I'd be hanged if I applied what they said to Jamaicans, for example, but I think Eskimos and the Welsh are fair game. I'm not sure. Can anyone help?I'm pretty certain Clarkson and Top Gear make money for the BBC. While he's useful, they'll keep him around.Too true, plus the fact that it was said in a different context and as such a defence, if needed, could be launched.This is the biggest issue surrounding the whole thing. What Keys and Gray said, despite what some may claim was utterly serious. It wasn't jovial or humorous, it was 2 blokes bemoaning the fact that women were involved in officiating football matches.Top Gear is a light hearted entertainment show that is not meant to be taken seriously, including comments therein. The same applies to the Soccerette on Sky, the claptap spouted on Loose Women etc etc.There is a marked difference. Thats why Gray and Keys are out of a job and Hammond isn't.Just for the record, I can't abide Top Gear or the wankers who are on it.Yes, Nev, I'm perfectly aware of the context. Would we still be dismissing it as just a harmless joke within the context of a lighthearted programme if they were referring to, say, Pakistanis? Personally, I'm not offended by what they say. Neither was I offended by Gray and Keys' comments. But either you're perfectly okey-dokey to perpetuate stereotypical rubbish about people of all nationalities or you're not. Now, which is it? Why are some nationalities fair game, and others a big no-no? I'm genuinely stumped by it (apologies to all 'unidexters'). History and culture would appear to influence our senistivity to this sort of "humour". I'm sure Jewish jokes would be considered pretty off-colour in many coutries. The mexican stereotype wouldn't go down well in parts of the U.S just as "Paki" jokes wouldn't here. The British have historically stereotyped the Irish, yet within Ireland stereotypes exist from county to county.Isn't Top Gear shown all over the world? I was under the impression that it was wrong to perpetuate lazy stereotypes about all nationalities, not just certain ones depending on where you live. Surely that would imply that you shouldn't say certain things because of who might be offended, and not because it's just plain wrong. The sooner the government issues the list of who we can and can't belittle in this country, the safer all our jobs will be.
Quote from: Jimbo on February 03, 2011, 07:12:32 PMQuote from: Nev on February 03, 2011, 06:45:42 PMQuote from: Jimbo on February 03, 2011, 06:07:02 PMQuote from: Nev on February 03, 2011, 03:05:44 PMQuote from: Pete3206 on February 03, 2011, 02:10:01 PMQuote from: Jimbo on February 03, 2011, 12:54:44 PMOn a related point, why hasn't the BBC sacked Clarkson and his pair of poodles from Top Gear, for making racist jibes against Mexicans? How come it's been relatively overlooked in the media? Is it because it's impossible to be racist against Mexicans? Can the government issue a list of nationalities we can perpetuate stereotypes about, please, because I'm getting confused. I'm pretty sure I'd be hanged if I applied what they said to Jamaicans, for example, but I think Eskimos and the Welsh are fair game. I'm not sure. Can anyone help?I'm pretty certain Clarkson and Top Gear make money for the BBC. While he's useful, they'll keep him around.Too true, plus the fact that it was said in a different context and as such a defence, if needed, could be launched.This is the biggest issue surrounding the whole thing. What Keys and Gray said, despite what some may claim was utterly serious. It wasn't jovial or humorous, it was 2 blokes bemoaning the fact that women were involved in officiating football matches.Top Gear is a light hearted entertainment show that is not meant to be taken seriously, including comments therein. The same applies to the Soccerette on Sky, the claptap spouted on Loose Women etc etc.There is a marked difference. Thats why Gray and Keys are out of a job and Hammond isn't.Just for the record, I can't abide Top Gear or the wankers who are on it.Yes, Nev, I'm perfectly aware of the context. Would we still be dismissing it as just a harmless joke within the context of a lighthearted programme if they were referring to, say, Pakistanis? Personally, I'm not offended by what they say. Neither was I offended by Gray and Keys' comments. But either you're perfectly okey-dokey to perpetuate stereotypical rubbish about people of all nationalities or you're not. Now, which is it? Why are some nationalities fair game, and others a big no-no? I'm genuinely stumped by it (apologies to all 'unidexters'). History and culture would appear to influence our senistivity to this sort of "humour". I'm sure Jewish jokes would be considered pretty off-colour in many coutries. The mexican stereotype wouldn't go down well in parts of the U.S just as "Paki" jokes wouldn't here. The British have historically stereotyped the Irish, yet within Ireland stereotypes exist from county to county.Isn't Top Gear shown all over the world? I was under the impression that it was wrong to perpetuate lazy stereotypes about all nationalities, not just certain ones depending on where you live. Surely that would imply that you shouldn't say certain things because of who might be offended, and not because it's just plain wrong. The sooner the government issues the list of who we can and can't belittle in this country, the safer all our jobs will be. The point of my post was to try and point out why the Top gear presenters thought it acceptable to make jokes at the expense of the Mexicans and not Jews or Pakistani's, Coogans article puts it better than I ever could.
Steve Coogan has had his saySpot on, it seems to me.