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Offline eastie

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The difference between o neill and houllier
« on: January 13, 2011, 01:33:36 PM »
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/james-nursey/James-Nursey-column-Revealed-The-extreme-differences-in-Aston-Villa-Gerard-Houllier-and-Martin-ONeill-methods-that-have-caused-so-many-problems-with-players-and-staff-article671399.html

By the time Martin O'Neill dramatically quit Aston Villa five days before the start of the season, he was fed up with owner Randy Lerner - and club officials felt similarly about him .

So Lerner and his key confidants such as chief executive Paul Faulkner deliberately sought out a successor who was completely different to the Irishman.

Yes, O'Neill had undoubtedly done a good job (and his reign is looking better with every new bad result under successor Gerard Houllier). Three successive sixth-place finishes in the Premier League is admirable and Villa also reached Wembley twice last season in the two domestic cup competitions.

But Lerner wants and wanted more from and for the football club he has spent £200million on since buying Villa .

He finally wants some silverware, primarily.

The American also wants better value for money from the £100m-plus he has spent on players, as the club, whose wage bill is an unsustainable £70m, are being forced to virtually give away expensive flops such as Steve Sidwell, Nicky Shorey and Habib Beye.

Lerner wants all his players to be trained thoroughly and improved on the practice pitch.

He wants some of the club's talented youngsters, such as Marc Albrighton, to be given more chances to flourish.

And he wants an open, friendly dialogue with the man running the team after his relationship with O'Neill turned sour.

Given those reasons, I can fully understand why Lerner recruited former Liverpool manager Houllier.

Spend any time in Houllier's company and he quickly comes across as confident, urbane, intelligent and not shy to highlight his impressive CV!

I mention this as Lerner is definitely standing by his man despite a torrid start to Houllier's managerial reign amid unrest from fans.

And I think it is precisely because Houllier has such different methods to O'Neill that Villa have struggled to adapt to his regime.

Under O'Neill, rightly or wrongly, everything was geared towards the players performing on a match-day.

The squad were often given at least two days off a week and training was laid-back under John Robertson and Steve Walford, with five-a-side games taking up the majority of the time.

There was little analytical assessment of opponents, as O'Neill preferred to focus on his own side's strengths.

O'Neill did not talk to the players much at the training ground, he would save his wisdom for the dressing room, where he produced such inspirational rhetoric on a match-day that his players would be full of confidence.

So, regardless of whether his methods were more in keeping with Brian Clough's generation of players or not, they undoubtedly worked well despite O'Neill's tendency to rarely rotate his squad.

Yet since Houllier arrived in September, Villa's players are having to knuckle down under a completely different, disciplined approach.

And let's be quite clear, it has been a hell of a culture shock.

Already, Houllier has clashed with John Carew, Richard Dunne, Stephen Ireland and Beye, as reported in Mirrorsport.

The change of routine and methods has caused much grumbling at Villa's training ground as even the players' jacuzzi has been removed.

I was the first to report in October that Houllier had dramatically upped the number of days players were due in at the club .

And not only did he get French fitness coach Robert Duverne - who fell out with Patrice Evra at the World Cup - cracking the whip, but he also imposed a set of new rules that went down like a lead balloon.

Mobile phones were banned at the training ground, players were told to cut out non-football related chit-chat in training and those living miles away from the club, such as Stephen Warnock in Ormskirk in Lancashire, were asked to relocate .

Perhaps crucially, Houllier is completely different in the dressing room to his predecessor.

The 63-year-old is softly spoken these days and confirmed to the press last week that he has no plans to start throwing any tea cups.


Houllier believes his players should be motivated themselves, without him rallying them with any Churchillian speeches.

Indeed, after their Carling Cup exit at arch-rivals Birmingham, I am told Houllier basically said to the players: 'Well played. Unlucky. On to the next game'!

O'Neill, who won all six of his matches against Brum, certainly would have handled it differently.

So, all in all, life could scarcely be much more of a contrast for Villa's squad, unless perhaps Nicolas Sarkozy had come over from France instead!

And I can understand why Villa supporters are getting both worried and restless about results with the club now in the relegation zone.

Sunday's league game at arch-rivals Birmingham must be enough to fill most Villa fans with dread.

But Lerner has taken on Houllier to rebuild the club, as part of a long-term strategy, on a cheaper more sustainable model while still maintaining big ambitions.

Houllier will be backed this month with funds to offload the likes of Carew and Beye (who will need pay-offs) and bring in players such as Lyon's Jean Makoun, Blackburn's Chris Samba, Charlie Adam of Blackpool and Toulouse starlet Moussa Sissoko.

His French revolution is going to need both time and patience to yield results.

Those commodities are in short supply in football these days, but if I was a betting man I would put money on Houllier being at Villa until the summer at least.

Perhaps by then those reactionary members of Villa's squad will be bombed out and the club can progress using Lerner and Houllier's blueprint.



« Last Edit: January 13, 2011, 01:43:22 PM by east19 »

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2011, 01:43:10 PM »
Surprisingly good article that. It probably was discussed before, but does anyone else think that the drastic change in training methods and general discipline happening in mid-season, rather than in pre-season, is one of the main causes of the trouble?

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2011, 01:48:26 PM »
Well balanced article from Mirror/Nursey shocker!

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2011, 01:48:56 PM »
Just think how successful we could have been if MON would have taken on board all of these new fangled training techniques that GH has introduced.

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2011, 01:49:46 PM »
Surprisingly good article that. It probably was discussed before, but does anyone else think that the drastic change in training methods and general discipline happening in mid-season, rather than in pre-season, is one of the main causes of the trouble?


I would say so. Some people will always enjoy the comfort zone.

I have no problem with the sound of Houllier's training methods at all. In fact O'Neill's sound prehistoric in comparison. But I do worry about the lack of changing room inspiration...although I also agree that players shouldn't need to have someone motivate them. The job is the job - to win.

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2011, 01:55:29 PM »
But I do worry about the lack of changing room inspiration...
That's where a good assistant manager should come in. Doesn't look like Gary Mac is doing it though.

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2011, 02:03:44 PM »
Good article i enjoyed reading it.

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2011, 02:17:01 PM »
I like the sound of Moussa Sissoko

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2011, 02:20:09 PM »
A good article, well balanced and sounds good to me, I never saw the jacuzzi on ebay though.

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2011, 02:21:04 PM »
For once an article that seems balanced and measured. I'm all for Houliers methods, particularly where player discipline and enforced relocation are concerned.

There is a marked comparison between the two when it comes to preperation, but there is also one on the field in the form of results, and that tends to be the bottom line.

MON acolytes would argue that his methods, however basic, bought results, something that we are in dire need of at the moment. Others would point out that his success had limits and his management was somewhat short term in overall view.

It would seem that a combination of the two is required, but in the meatime, however progressive Hou's regime is off the field, it needs to have a greater impact on the field and thats where the major doubt still lies.

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2011, 02:22:36 PM »
I think Gezza needs a bit of a charm offensive to win over the fans. Not sure how he does this, but he needs to get the vocal minority on his side to ease the pressure a bit.

A win against the Blues would go some way to help that, but if that doesn't happen he needs some sort of rallying cry to get people on-side.

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2011, 02:34:33 PM »
Surprisingly good article that. It probably was discussed before, but does anyone else think that the drastic change in training methods and general discipline happening in mid-season, rather than in pre-season, is one of the main causes of the trouble?

Possibly but I think if his methods were bringing results the players would have less room for complaint.  In the end that will be the thing that decides his future however much we argue for allowing him time.

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2011, 02:35:08 PM »
I think the tide is turning in his favour and fans some fans who were against him are beginning to give him a chance (not pmk), a win over blues would go a huge way to winning over his critics as would another 2 or 3 decent signings.

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2011, 02:43:14 PM »
I think the tide is turning in his favour and fans some fans who were against him are beginning to give him a chance (not pmk), a win over blues would go a huge way to winning over his critics as would another 2 or 3 decent signings.

I have seen no evidence of the tide turning. Plenty of people were calling for him to be sacked at the last home game. While I don't agree with them they haven't gone away.

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Re: The difference between o neill and houllier
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2011, 02:45:35 PM »
Surprisingly good article that. It probably was discussed before, but does anyone else think that the drastic change in training methods and general discipline happening in mid-season, rather than in pre-season, is one of the main causes of the trouble?


I would say so. Some people will always enjoy the comfort zone.

I have no problem with the sound of Houllier's training methods at all. In fact O'Neill's sound prehistoric in comparison. But I do worry about the lack of changing room inspiration...although I also agree that players shouldn't need to have someone motivate them. The job is the job - to win.

Great article, this is what Ive been trying to get through to a lot of villa fans through snippets of information Ive read and heard although i didnt realise that Gerrard wasnt so motivational at team talk time,ifs thats not going to change we need a stronger captain or coach

 


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