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Offline Villa'Zawg

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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2010, 05:30:49 PM »
I once saw an old map that had the boundary of Aston extending as far as Small Heath.
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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2010, 08:18:20 PM »
Close, but I would imagine the border is the River Rea which flows under Digbeth. It is covered mainly from Rea St  in Highgate to Deritend although I think opened up around the Custard factory as a 'feature'. There are plans to open it up more which I find forbidding considering the drop there is from the street. Mind you if they filled it up as a kind of moat it would not be such a bad idea, I suppose.
I suspect this is where the spreading fields of Broom that were Brumwich, in the Land of Aston, then swept up and over the the lands and hills that were Hockley, the Dudley Road and Smethwick until they met the Hawthorn hedges that formed the boundaries of west Brumwich controlled by the Lords of old Aston Manor. Where were those prickly hawthorn hedges I wonder?
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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2010, 10:54:32 PM »
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I once saw an old map that had the boundary of Aston extending as far as Small Heath

That's correct.

Simon Inglis mentions it in Villa Park 100 Years

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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2010, 12:16:32 AM »
The Domesday Book of 1086 records... The population comprised 30 villeins, 12 bordars and one serf.
So even back then we were the biggest team, 30 Villans, 12 Baggies and a Bluenose?

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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2010, 08:56:31 AM »
The Domesday Book of 1086 records... The population comprised 30 villeins, 12 bordars and one serf.
So even back then we were the biggest team, 30 Villans, 12 Baggies and a Bluenose?
;D Quality!

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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2010, 02:00:58 PM »
Anywhere north of Worcester and south of Stafford is in Birmingham as far as I'm concerned.

If you live in Redditch it's an east/west divide. The old town in the west is the Black Country while the new town in the east is displaced, white-trash Brum. Interestingly, Small Heath have a base in the new town, West Brom a stronghold in the old and Villa a presence across the town.

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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2010, 08:31:17 PM »
There is one thing which winds them up more than being told they are a Birmingham club and that is to be told by the natives of Gornal, Cradley and Rowley Regis that they are not proper Black Country.

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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2010, 01:22:35 PM »
The Domesday Book of 1086 records... The population comprised 30 villeins, 12 bordars and one serf.
So even back then we were the biggest team, 30 Villans, 12 Baggies and a Bluenose?
;D Quality!

Absolutely !!

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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2010, 01:24:37 PM »
The Domesday Book of 1086 records... The population comprised 30 villeins, 12 bordars and one serf.
So even back then we were the biggest team, 30 Villans, 12 Baggies and a Bluenose?
;D Quality!

Absolutely !!

At that time Aston Manor was five times bigger than Birmingham.

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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2010, 03:50:53 PM »
I'd just like to add my appreciation for this thread.  Top quality!!

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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2010, 06:14:30 PM »
Anyone got a link for the real size..I am too focussed on landmarks in town..funny how Brummies from suburbs still refer a trip to the centre as 'gooing into town' as opposed to the the shops in Kings Heath, Moseley, Alum Rock or whereever.
If we knew the boundaries maybe we could get as far as the Forest of Arden and include the Bard as a Villein? Certainly there are enough from round there these days. I don't doubt Will would have been a fan...he did his bit in making reference to the game. Of course he'd be a Villa fan; who else is there!
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That's tennis, I think, but I'll find a footie quote from him somewhere.
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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2010, 06:20:51 PM »
Anyone got a link for the real size..I am too focussed on landmarks in town..funny how Brummies from suburbs still refer a trip to the centre as 'gooing into town' as opposed to the the shops in Kings Heath, Moseley, Alum Rock or whereever.
If we knew the boundaries maybe we could get as far as the Forest of Arden and include the Bard as a Villein? Certainly there are enough from round there these days. I don't doubt Will would have been a fan...he did his bit in making reference to the game. Of course he'd be a Villa fan; who else is there!
'Love all, trust a few and do harm to no one'.   
That's tennis, I think, but I'll find a footie quote from him somewhere.

The tree in the middle of Arden Road, Acocks Green, is reputed to mark the centre of the old forest.

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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2010, 06:37:48 PM »
There you are..I knew he'd be in our neck of the woods.

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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2010, 07:15:04 PM »
The only football Bardism which comes to mind is "then let us kick against these pricks" from Richard III and obviously proved Shakespeare was one of us and foresaw our games against the Blasted Heath (Scotch play).

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Re: A Century (or more) of Birmingham geographical history on one thread
« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2010, 07:23:22 PM »
The oldest tomb in Aston Parish Church is that of Ralph Arden d.1360, the great-great-great-great-great-grandfather of William Shakespeare. He's one of ours no doubt.

 


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