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Offline pedro25

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2010, 12:47:31 PM »
And Lichaj is obviously a Yank.

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2010, 12:47:40 PM »
*I think only Weimann and Barry Bannan are from outside the Midlands?     

Lichaj, Lowry? theres another one from Australia as well but I cant mind his name

Offline AlwaysAVFC

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2010, 12:54:21 PM »
Basically what I am saying is its only luck that has stopped us finding a world class gem rather than a flaw in what our youth set up does.

I agree.

The examples given were Gerrard and Rooney, both of who were born in Liverpool making them natural kids for Liverpool and Everton to spot.  I think a greater achievement is Man Utd, who scouted the likes of Giggs and Beckham from further afield.

Maybe that's our one fault in that our prospects coming through are only from our immediate vicinity*.  Were we to improve the scouting at this level what would our excellent accademy do with the cream of the entire country, if not the worlds, 12 and 13 year olds?

*I think only Weimann and Barry Bannan are from outside the Midlands?     
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Basically what I am saying is its only luck that has stopped us finding a world class gem rather than a flaw in what our youth set up does.

I agree.

The examples given were Gerrard and Rooney, both of who were born in Liverpool making them natural kids for Liverpool and Everton to spot.  I think a greater achievement is Man Utd, who scouted the likes of Giggs and Beckham from further afield.

Maybe that's our one fault in that our prospects coming through are only from our immediate vicinity*.  Were we to improve the scouting at this level what would our excellent accademy do with the cream of the entire country, if not the worlds, 12 and 13 year olds?

*I think only Weimann and Barry Bannan are from outside the Midlands?     


As you would expect the club do look further afield. I know someone that works in a hotel and they get a few trialists in from abroad. A few of them have had several visits

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2010, 12:58:31 PM »
*I think only Weimann and Barry Bannan are from outside the Midlands?     

Lichaj, Lowry? theres another one from Australia as well but I cant mind his name

Chris Herd centre midfield i think. What about the keeper Siegrest or however its spelt?

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2010, 01:07:32 PM »
Herd and Lowry are Aussies, Clark is Irish and I'M sure Hogg is a northerner, as was Cahill and Ridgewell a southerner

I thought Clark was of Irish decent but born over here?

Lowry and Lichaj are the obvious ones I missed!

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2010, 01:10:40 PM »
*I think only Weimann and Barry Bannan are from outside the Midlands?     

Lichaj, Lowry? theres another one from Australia as well but I cant mind his name

Chris Herd centre midfield i think. What about the keeper Siegrest or however its spelt?

He is Swiss.


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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2010, 01:13:55 PM »
I thought Clark was of Irish decent but born over here?

Born in Harrow according to the Beeb.

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2010, 01:19:34 PM »
I feel it's important that we hoover up all the local talent.  And what's to stop us when any budding youngster in the area can see what's going on down at Bodymoor Heath.  It galls me when we see a Brummie lad showing some real ability popping up elsewhere...not that there's been a dearth of them in the last 10 years mind.

I get immense pride seeing our local lads doing so well.

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2010, 01:25:21 PM »
I thought Clark was of Irish decent but born over here?

Born in Harrow according to the Beeb.

Fair enough - still counts as 'out of area' in terms of the point I ws making though!

Of the players we've had that have 'made it', excluding Barry as we poached him:-
Gabby
Craig Gardner
Liam Ridgewell
Luke Moore
Gary Cahill
Lee Hendrie
Darius Vassell
J Lloyd Samuel
Myhill

Not sure about the origins of the last two, but only Ridgewell and Cahill are from outside of the Midlands?

And of the current batch we're excited about, the Fonz and Marc are local and Clark (Harrow) and Bannan (Scotland) from further afield.  Still shows we're quite reliant on local talent.   

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2010, 01:26:53 PM »
It galls me when we see a Brummie lad showing some real ability popping up elsewhere...not that there's been a dearth of them in the last 10 years mind.

Lescott and Michah Richards spring to mind.

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2010, 01:33:43 PM »
Ciaran's parents are Irish. Hence the Gaelic spelling of his name (ie not 'Kieron'), although it's missing an accent on the second 'a' - ''Ciarán''.

Anyway...don't we also have a couple of other continentals in the academy? What happened to those Swiss (or were they French?) twins, Yago was the name of one of them I think.

Offline FatSam

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2010, 01:36:57 PM »
Fair enough - still counts as 'out of area' in terms of the point I ws making though!

Of the players we've had that have 'made it', excluding Barry as we poached him:-
Gabby
Craig Gardner
Liam Ridgewell
Luke Moore
Gary Cahill
Lee Hendrie
Darius Vassell
J Lloyd Samuel
Myhill

Not sure about the origins of the last two, but only Ridgewell and Cahill are from outside of the Midlands?

And of the current batch we're excited about, the Fonz and Marc are local and Clark (Harrow) and Bannan (Scotland) from further afield.  Still shows we're quite reliant on local talent.   

We poached J Lloyd from Charlton didn't we?

Offline Matt Collins

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2010, 01:38:30 PM »
I agree the youth system seems to go from strength to strength. I think we get our fair share of talent from outside the midlands. We're somewhat disadvantaged by the fact that London, merseyside, greater manchester and the north east have tended to be hotbeds of genuinely outstanding young talent, less so the west midlands.

If you think about the truly top players over the last 20 years, I can't think of a single Brummie - maybe Collymore. I think most of the really top players have come from one of those areas I name above?

London: Terry, Cole (x2), Beckham, Ferdinand, Sheringham, Hoddle? Pearce
NE: Shearer, Beardsley, Gascoigne, Waddle, Robson
M'side: Rooney, Gerrard
wider GM: Scholes, Platt, Owen

edit: plus the best youngsters villa have produced seem to have been mainly outside the WM, with the exception of Gary Shaw? (Little, Cowans, Yorke, Barry)

Main other ones I can think of were Lineker (Leics) James (not sure)
« Last Edit: November 19, 2010, 01:41:15 PM by Matt Collins »

Offline mozza

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2010, 01:47:35 PM »
Anyone that watches the Academy will confirm that there are more
outstanding youngsters coming through the ranks ............

Derek Williams a centre back and Jordan Graham a right sided
midfield player in u'16 stand out (but what do I know)   

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Re: England's real Academy of Football is
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2010, 01:57:14 PM »
jack grealish too... i havent seen him myself, but i am told by friends in the know, who i trust. that he is something very special...

there is another too who is meant to be excellent whos name escapes me, and like the three mentioned in this post, are being fast tracked a year or two ahead of their age group...

graham looks extremly skillful, and a bif lad too with pace, but his delivery looked a little suspect when i saw him in the victory sheild... not sure if that was down to poor movement of the others, as it was shocking, or whether he just needs to work on this area... but, i have only seen one game of his, and he is only 15, so i am not really in a position to comment too much...
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