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Offline KevinGage

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #75 on: September 15, 2010, 04:00:21 PM »
For all the talk of the players wanted him, maybe they wanted him because he was a soft touch.

Like the sub Maths teacher that the more rowdy students can bully.

I'm possibly doing him a disservice as he does seem well respected, but I've seen nothing in the glut of games we've had so far to indicate that he was cut out for the role long term. If the players were playing for him, determined for him to get the gig they've a funny way of showing it.

We generally start bright enough but everytime we concede we go to pieces.

Offline MalcolmP

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #76 on: September 15, 2010, 04:24:00 PM »
He isn't good enough end of. If he can't see Young does not work in the free role there is no hope

Is that the free role that many posters on here over the past couple of years have said that he should play in? He operated in that role quite successfully 2/3 seasons back. Also would you be pleased to be given only 3 weeks in a new job to prove your worth with no opportunity to change things and get your own team together?

Offline Bent Neilsens Screamer

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #77 on: September 15, 2010, 04:40:22 PM »
He isn't good enough end of. If he can't see Young does not work in the free role there is no hope

Is that the free role that many posters on here over the past couple of years have said that he should play in? He operated in that role quite successfully 2/3 seasons back.

That was before we had Ireland, from the games that he has started in a deeper midfield role he hasn't been up to much although he has shown glimpses of his quality. Irelands best position is behind the striker with Young out on the left, it was only an injury to Ireland in the warm up against Everton that saw NRC return to the team. You could probably get away with a midfield 2 of Ireland and Petrov/NRC against poorer teams at home but not against the better teams, not at this point in time anyway.

Offline WALTERS WARRIORS

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2010, 12:27:34 AM »
Mac is totally out of his league as a premiership manager. Hope he stays as reserve manager though ..........

Offline TopDeck113

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #79 on: September 16, 2010, 06:58:52 AM »
In the case of Kevin McDonald, I think that Randy and the board could see relatively quickly that were they to give him the position of manager full time, Villa Park would see a working example of the Peter Principle.

Offline john e

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #80 on: September 16, 2010, 09:23:34 AM »
i dont think he's going anywhere,
no one will give him a manages job, theres loads of guys out there with more experience than him who are out of work

he basicaly got a job for life, presumably on decent money, as good as he'l get anywhere else,
its just a load of balls all this talk that he's off,

as Robert Chase said about Sutton many years ago, 'he aint goin nowhere' in a broad norfolk acent

Offline OzVilla

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #81 on: September 16, 2010, 11:34:00 AM »
If this fucking pantomime was being played at St Andrews, we'd all be pissing oursleves larfin'

O'Neill leaving was the start of this, maybe, ( although until/if we ever find out the reasons for him leaving we can only speculate) but our board's reaction to it has been absolutely rank amateur.

I'm getting more than pissed off now

100% what i've been thinking. 

As for our rather half hearted 'search' for a new manager, the list of final interviewees was totally uninspiring.  If Dave's right and the Board really wanted KMac then why, he has no experience at managing in the Prem, transfers etc.  A novice is not what we needed.

However, nor is a bloke that was enjoying semi retirement with the French national federation (that bastian of footballing professionalism) and long lunches with FIFA pals.

I'm hoping to wake up at any moment and the events of the last 6 weeks will all have been a terrible nightmare.

 

Offline peter w

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #82 on: September 16, 2010, 11:52:59 AM »
He isn't good enough end of. If he can't see Young does not work in the free role there is no hope

Is that the free role that many posters on here over the past couple of years have said that he should play in? He operated in that role quite successfully 2/3 seasons back. Also would you be pleased to be given only 3 weeks in a new job to prove your worth with no opportunity to change things and get your own team together?

It worked successfully and then he was found out and was crowded out of games and his effectiveness nullified. Yes, it was worth having another look and you can understand why MON didn't want Ireland if he had plans for another central-midfielder to come in and to play Ash in the hole.

However, its effectiveness is decidedly average compared to Ash's destructive runs down the left.

Offline sfx412

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #83 on: September 16, 2010, 12:40:27 PM »
If, Mon had, didn't want ?

You one of the fortunate few to have a chat with Mon then ?

KM has done his best and been found wanting. He had the squad behind him, several went on record to say so. He had plenty of 'names', Yorke, Atkinson, Little extolling his suitability and did little to impress, we just meandered along changing a few here, due probably to necessity, trying a few kids as the Board deemed necessary pre Mons exit, but still hardly modified tactics, rarely made effective substitutions, came across as a quiet indecisive man, not the sort we need to take on the residue left by Mon's departure.
Considering the many who went to great trouble to make issue with the few who originally didn't think he was good enough, few now seem keen to laud his cause, which suggests to me he didn't do well enough overall in the few weeks he had.
Nice bloke, seems to have done a decent job with the reserves, has he shown enough, against West Ham maybe, since NO.
Could anyone else have done better. We didn't have anyone, Mon took them all when he left, that's the crux. Given time he might have, IF, he'd have had some luck, or more idea/experience  how to do the job, perhaps, maybe, who knows.
Houllier with perhaps 2 experienced coaches now has the task, lets hope he does better in the next 30 odd games than KM did with his few, so far.
Thing is read the other threads and  I see is plenty with reasons why he, McAllister, the French guy won't, they are all experienced so what chance did he have apart from the sympathy vote, none.

Offline Chico Hamilton III

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #84 on: September 16, 2010, 12:48:27 PM »
It's the Peter Principle, plain and simple.

If someobody is very good at their job, they are contuinally promoted until they get a job that they are shit at

Offline peter w

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #85 on: September 16, 2010, 01:01:54 PM »

If, Mon had, didn't want.


I know gibberish is your forte. Well done.

Offline Chris Smith

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #86 on: September 16, 2010, 03:41:55 PM »
As Oscar Wilde said on the way back from Stoke the other night:

To lose one manager may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness.

Offline freakypete

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #87 on: September 16, 2010, 08:14:41 PM »
i totally agree with hookeysmiths sentiments

Offline Mister E

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Re: MacDonald now possibly looking at a move
« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2010, 11:50:57 AM »
KMac is in the same boat as Brian kidd was - except that Kidd tried harder and earlier to be a manager. It didn't work for Kidd, and now is the time for KMac to recognise the same and get back to doing what he does best.
No embarrassment needed - he's just what he is: an apparently damned good coach.

 


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