Quote from: Mark Kelly on August 28, 2010, 02:11:17 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on August 27, 2010, 11:51:00 PMThe right guy is out there, but getting him takes time, and when he arrives he will take the club forward.My guess is Carlos Quieroz. He has some unfinished business (Euro qualifiers next week) but as I've mentioned several times now, I think he would work very well with the current board and would jump at the chance to join Villa. He'd be a super hire Mark. A top coach with a lot to fulfil in his career.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 27, 2010, 11:51:00 PMThe right guy is out there, but getting him takes time, and when he arrives he will take the club forward.My guess is Carlos Quieroz. He has some unfinished business (Euro qualifiers next week) but as I've mentioned several times now, I think he would work very well with the current board and would jump at the chance to join Villa.
The right guy is out there, but getting him takes time, and when he arrives he will take the club forward.
Whatever the circumstances of the club at the time of a managerial appointment, if the man doesn't have that understanding of Aston Villa in his blood, he'll struggle.
Quote from: Villadawg on August 28, 2010, 02:01:51 AMQuote from: hilts_coolerking on August 28, 2010, 01:04:33 AMQuote from: Villadawg on August 28, 2010, 01:00:49 AMI think that having a manager who understands what it is to be Aston Villa manager is incredibly important. It isn't the same as being manager of any other club in the world, we are unique. It also isn't the same as just being able to speak about the club in glowing terms. How is it unique? What additional responsibilities does it carry that no other management job has? How did this come into play when we appointed Graham Turner, or O'Leary, or Billy McNeill?It stems from being the founders of the football league and having been the most successful team in the most important football nation for the majority of our history. For some people its ancient history, for others it's who we are. Very few English clubs have earned the right to be mentioned in the same breath as Aston Villa. Whatever the circumstances of the club at the time of a managerial appointment, if the man doesn't have that understanding of Aston Villa in his blood, he'll struggle.I think that's going to play into it. For me a lot was revealed when the General called out MON for acting bigger than the club and they don't want that again. It has to be club first and everyone pulling in the same direction. Which is the way it should be. Someone who shares the vision. The history and heritage of this club is fabulous, but it shouldn't be a determining factor in our appointment. Let the board and fans protect the history. The new manager will have enough on his plate dealing with making us successful today and in the future.
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on August 28, 2010, 01:04:33 AMQuote from: Villadawg on August 28, 2010, 01:00:49 AMI think that having a manager who understands what it is to be Aston Villa manager is incredibly important. It isn't the same as being manager of any other club in the world, we are unique. It also isn't the same as just being able to speak about the club in glowing terms. How is it unique? What additional responsibilities does it carry that no other management job has? How did this come into play when we appointed Graham Turner, or O'Leary, or Billy McNeill?It stems from being the founders of the football league and having been the most successful team in the most important football nation for the majority of our history. For some people its ancient history, for others it's who we are. Very few English clubs have earned the right to be mentioned in the same breath as Aston Villa. Whatever the circumstances of the club at the time of a managerial appointment, if the man doesn't have that understanding of Aston Villa in his blood, he'll struggle.
Quote from: Villadawg on August 28, 2010, 01:00:49 AMI think that having a manager who understands what it is to be Aston Villa manager is incredibly important. It isn't the same as being manager of any other club in the world, we are unique. It also isn't the same as just being able to speak about the club in glowing terms. How is it unique? What additional responsibilities does it carry that no other management job has? How did this come into play when we appointed Graham Turner, or O'Leary, or Billy McNeill?
I think that having a manager who understands what it is to be Aston Villa manager is incredibly important. It isn't the same as being manager of any other club in the world, we are unique. It also isn't the same as just being able to speak about the club in glowing terms.
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on August 28, 2010, 01:54:43 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on August 28, 2010, 01:25:21 AMYou really don't get it tonight do you?Get what? TV has it spot on: it's about getting someone on board who is committed, agrees with the objectives and strategy, and who can bring experience and influence to bear in attempting to achieve them. And that's more or less it. It's a big job, at a club which if handled properly can hit the heights, but which is also an institution and which for over 130 years has had a reputation for doing things right. It's not a stepping stone en route to a better job, and it's not just one more page on a CV.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 28, 2010, 01:25:21 AMYou really don't get it tonight do you?Get what? TV has it spot on: it's about getting someone on board who is committed, agrees with the objectives and strategy, and who can bring experience and influence to bear in attempting to achieve them.
You really don't get it tonight do you?
Quote from: toronto villa on August 28, 2010, 02:13:36 AMQuote from: Mark Kelly on August 28, 2010, 02:11:17 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on August 27, 2010, 11:51:00 PMThe right guy is out there, but getting him takes time, and when he arrives he will take the club forward.My guess is Carlos Quieroz. He has some unfinished business (Euro qualifiers next week) but as I've mentioned several times now, I think he would work very well with the current board and would jump at the chance to join Villa. He'd be a super hire Mark. A top coach with a lot to fulfil in his career. Add to that his knowledge of players around the world, I'm sure he'd offer a great deal to the club. I'm sure Man Utd signing Bebe last week wasn't lost on the board, not to mention the story of Quieroz wanting to sign Pepe at Real Madrid for next to nothing. They turned him down at the time then signed him for £26m a couple of years later.
Quote from: Villadawg on August 28, 2010, 02:01:51 AMWhatever the circumstances of the club at the time of a managerial appointment, if the man doesn't have that understanding of Aston Villa in his blood, he'll struggle.Which of the umpteen candidates listed on the other thread would you say have that understanding of Aston Villa in their blood?
He'd be a super hire Mark. A top coach with a lot to fulfil in his career.
Quote from: toronto villa on August 28, 2010, 02:13:36 AMHe'd be a super hire Mark. A top coach with a lot to fulfil in his career.I don't see though that Queiroz fulfills vd's criteria of having an understanding of Aston Villa in his blood. But then I'm not sure that any of the candidates do, apart from Kevin MacDonald.
I've no idea but I do believe the ability to understand Aston Villa Football Club as more than a name on the classified results is a prerequisite for a successful Villa manager.
Quote from: Villadawg on August 28, 2010, 02:29:59 AMI've no idea but I do believe the ability to understand Aston Villa Football Club as more than a name on the classified results is a prerequisite for a successful Villa manager.This is the trouble with abstract ideas like this, it's impossible to define and therefore very difficult to tell whether or not someone has it. That's why I'm uneasy about it being a big factor in the selection process.I would expect the successful candidate to be passionate about the job without necessarily having to be passionate about the club, at least to begin with. It's unreasonable to expect someone with no previous connection to the club to have that.
Quote from: madirishvillain on August 28, 2010, 01:38:00 AMbut when i see a chairman getting rid of the best manager since big ron (league wise), it hurtsGot rid? He walked out on us, and don't forget that.
but when i see a chairman getting rid of the best manager since big ron (league wise), it hurts
Which of the umpteen candidates listed on the other thread would you say have that understanding of Aston Villa in their blood?