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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2010, 05:50:32 PM »
I imagine the clubs will object and FIFA will cave in.

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2010, 05:53:06 PM »
I thought you could get around it by the owner paying massively over the odds for an executive box every year.

Or I'd assume getting your own company to sponsor the club for an exorbitant amount.

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2010, 06:01:12 PM »
I imagine the clubs will object and FIFA will cave in.
FIFA don't enter into the equation, thankfully.

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2010, 06:06:47 PM »
Who is in charge of enforcing the rule then? Can't imagine UEFA or Premier League standing up to Manure and saying sort your debts outs or you're banned from Europe / relegated?

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2010, 06:12:02 PM »
I imagine the clubs will object and FIFA will cave in.

Actually the clubs lobbied for it. Chelsea, Man Utd, Barcelona, Milan - it's in their interests for turnover to equal success. Fortunately, it also levels the playing field at crucial levels like Champions' League places, meaning more long-term competition. The only club who objected? You guessed it - Man City.

Who is in charge of enforcing the rule then? Can't imagine UEFA or Premier League standing up to Manure and saying sort your debts outs or you're banned from Europe / relegated?

The punishment is barring from European competition like has happened to Mallorca this season. The only difference is how they're defining debt now - and that debt includes Man City.

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2010, 06:15:22 PM »
Be interesting to see if they stick to their guns. Mallorca aren't Barcelona / Manure / Chelski though.

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2010, 06:17:53 PM »
Be interesting to see if they stick to their guns. Mallorca aren't Barcelona / Manure / Chelski though.

They aren't the clubs who'll be in trouble, as they don't spend beyond their turnover - Man Utd especially make gargantuan profits. Contracts from before the regulations are meant to come in don't count as much, so expect to see lots of 5- and 6-year contracts signed next year. Then the year after is year zero. The three clubs in Europe who'll benefit most are Arsenal, Barcelona and Milan.

The laws are known as "Financial Fair Play", and are designed to stop a) Portsmouths and b) Man Citys.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2010, 06:19:28 PM by Monty »

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2010, 07:29:01 PM »
And C) Aston Villas.

All such regulations will do is perpetuate a natural order. The Man Uniteds, Liverpools, Chelseas and Arsenals have greater turnover and thus a greater chance of success. It will have a deeply negative effect upon competition, probably more so than a Manchester City being able to spend far more than other clubs.

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2010, 07:37:32 PM »
And C) Aston Villas.

All such regulations will do is perpetuate a natural order. The Man Uniteds, Liverpools, Chelseas and Arsenals have greater turnover and thus a greater chance of success. It will have a deeply negative effect upon competition, probably more so than a Manchester City being able to spend far more than other clubs.

Not necessarily. Wenger is really on to something when he talks about clubs having "natural potential". Villa have enormous natural potential for fanbase expansion, which brings up gate receipts, merchandising etc. We have also have a good catchment area for local youth players, which is always nice. The important thing about the "Chinese casual fan" who is so valuable to clubs is that his affections are not necessarily monogamist or unchangeable, like ours are. He could have a Man Utd and a Man City shirt and think nothing of it. That market is easy enough to tap into if you can break through the all-important Champions' League barrier, which the regulations help with, providing a great increase in potential revenue.

A key part of the regulations is that you are allowed to spend beyond turnover on a) stadium development, b) youth systems and c) training facilities and other areas of development. Man City, for instance, are building their own hotels near to the ground for away fans and Man City fans who live far away to stay in. This allows outside investment, but in a more indirect way so it benefits the game as a whole. One way or another, clubs will now have to build, which is a good thing.

The real glass ceiling now is countries who are too small for competitive leagues, such as Holland, Belgium or Switzerland. I'm in favour of combining these countries leagues fully at the top level, so a Dutch-Belgian Premier League or a Swiss-Austrian-Hungarian Central European Premier League, but that's just my idea.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2010, 07:42:24 PM by Monty »

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2010, 07:41:45 PM »
Why Blackburn though? A club that could barely sell out half of their ground capacity for a cup semi final last season! Wolves or Albion would have been a better investment if a Premier League club was what this guy wanted.

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2010, 07:55:27 PM »
I don't get it either.

Still don't know why the Sheikh's at Citeh didn't buy Newcastle, either.

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2010, 08:58:24 PM »
I don't get it either.

Still don't know why the Sheikh's at Citeh didn't buy Newcastle, either.

This could be way off beam, but Indians of a certain age are fascinated by Lancashire. Dating back to the time of the textile boom/ industrial revolution and trade between the UK and India. Lancashire/ Blackburn was at the epicentre of all that.

Blackburn might be a name that carries a certain resonance and respectability over there, I dunno.

Whereas here it's synonymous with pies and Sam Allardyce

Or Sam Allthepies.

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2010, 08:58:48 PM »
Does seem like a strange purchase, maybe he doesn't have the money for someone like Everton but feels he might make an impact there, all the money in the world wont bring the fans in

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2010, 09:21:56 AM »
A price of 300M GBP is being suggested in the press + him taking on Blackburn's 20M of debt.

It might all be smoke and mirrors, but if it goes through what value would you put on Villa?

We certainly have more debt, but even factoring this in we Randy would make a massive profit if he sold.

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Re: 0% Villa - Blackburn, the next Man City?
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2010, 09:32:26 AM »
Maybe its because Blackburn have a prem history? They did win the title in the dim distant past:-)

 


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