Where is MON ?

[Risso]

He is in SA managing England.   Him and Fab are in fact the same person.   Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it.  And the love affair with EH.

Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.

To be fair, bringing on Emile Heskey yesterday was about the most stupid substitution in the history of football.

[Brend'Watkins]

He is in SA managing England.   Him and Fab are in fact the same person.   Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it.  And the love affair with EH.

Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.

To be fair, bringing on Emile Heskey yesterday was about the most stupid substitution in the history of football.

Did Defoe hold the ball up front at anytime during the game yesterday?  maybe he did but I can't remember him doing that.  In fact, I can't remember him doing very much at all so I can see a reason why Capello brought on Heskey.

[Risso]

He is in SA managing England.   Him and Fab are in fact the same person.   Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it.  And the love affair with EH.

Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.

To be fair, bringing on Emile Heskey yesterday was about the most stupid substitution in the history of football.

Did Defoe hold the ball up front at anytime during the game yesterday?  maybe he did but I can't remember him doing that.  In fact, I can't remember him doing very much at all so I can see a reason why Capello brought on Heskey.

Defoe did however, very nearly score, which is not something that Emile has ever looked like doing.  If he wanted somebody to hold the ball up while still having some sort of goal threat, he should have stuch Crouch on.

[Phil from the upper holte]

He is in SA managing England.   Him and Fab are in fact the same person.   Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it.  And the love affair with EH.

Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.

To be fair, bringing on Emile Heskey yesterday was about the most stupid substitution in the history of football.

Did Defoe hold the ball up front at anytime during the game yesterday?  maybe he did but I can't remember him doing that.  In fact, I can't remember him doing very much at all so I can see a reason why Capello brought on Heskey.

Defoe did however, very nearly score, which is not something that Emile has ever looked like doing.  If he wanted somebody to hold the ball up while still having some sort of goal threat, he should have stuch Crouch on.

My thoughts Exactly. Crouch didn't get a look in. Ridiculous

[dave.woodhall]

He is in SA managing England.   Him and Fab are in fact the same person.   Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it.  And the love affair with EH.

Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.

And the winner of today's H&V Godwin's Law is...

[LeeB]

He is in SA managing England.   Him and Fab are in fact the same person.   Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it.  And the love affair with EH.

Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.

And the winner of today's H&V Godwin's Law is...

What law's that Dave? That it's ok to think you know more than successful managers, but not local journalists?

[TheSandman]

He is in SA managing England.   Him and Fab are in fact the same person.   Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it.  And the love affair with EH.

Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.

To be fair, bringing on Emile Heskey yesterday was about the most stupid substitution in the history of football.

Did Defoe hold the ball up front at anytime during the game yesterday?  maybe he did but I can't remember him doing that.  In fact, I can't remember him doing very much at all so I can see a reason why Capello brought on Heskey.

Defoe did however, very nearly score, which is not something that Emile has ever looked like doing.  If he wanted somebody to hold the ball up while still having some sort of goal threat, he should have stuch Crouch on.

When you're 4-1 down it doesn't matter a jot who you bring on. So all this talk about goal threat and indeed holding up the ball is utter bollocks.

It was a stupid substitution mind in that there was no point. However, it was nowhere near the stupidest substitution in history.

That was bring on Shite Phillips.

[Percy McCarthy]

He is in SA managing England.   Him and Fab are in fact the same person.   Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it.  And the love affair with EH.

Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.

And the winner of today's H&V Godwin's Law is...

What law's that Dave? That it's ok to think you know more than successful managers, but not local journalists?

That's the one.

[Mazrim]

There he is, in the black tracksuit.

[dave.woodhall]

He is in SA managing England.   Him and Fab are in fact the same person.   Look at the similarities in management style or lack of it.  And the love affair with EH.

Maybe they just both see something that you can't because you're too thick.

And the winner of today's H&V Godwin's Law is...

What law's that Dave? That it's ok to think you know more than successful managers, but not local journalists?

That's the one.

No, as far as I'm concerned everyone can pass comment freely. But there is a subsection of the law that says while nobody is as experienced in the ways of football management as Martin O'Neill, and can therefore never be allowed to pass comment upon him (although previous managers are strangely exempt from this rule), every other profession is fair game.

[Percy McCarthy]

Every other profession is fair game? In that case, I'll just come on here in future if I need a medical diagnosis, financial advice, accounts looking at, legal guidance etc.

It wouldn't be at all stupid to take seriously the views of amateurs who sometimes imply they know more than the professionals despite being in possession of only a fraction of the relevant information would it?

Never allowed to comment? That's up there with not being allowed to be English.

[pauliewalnuts]

Every other profession is fair game? In that case, I'll just come on here in future if I need a medical diagnosis, financial advice, accounts looking at, legal guidance etc.

It wouldn't be at all stupid to take seriously the views of amateurs who sometimes imply they know more than the professionals despite being in possession of only a fraction of the relevant information would it?

Never allowed to comment? That's up there with not being allowed to be English.

So what if they don't know as much as managers? So what if they've not managed at any level? I think you're both stating the obvious and missing the point, Percy.

I thought football was all about opinions and thinking you knew more than the professionals. Isn't that the whole point of football message boards?

I don't know anything like as much about football as Rafa Benitez, I've never managed a team at any level (although I have sat in the dugouts at Dundee, Dundee United, Hibs and Hearts, but that's another story). He's won the Champions League and is currently managing his third big European Club.

I still think he royally fucked it up at Liverpool towards the end, though, and I'm still going to act like I know more about it than he does.

[KevinGage]

I wonder if those who feel that MON should be beyond criticism because of his lengthy time in the game extend that kind of logic to other areas of interest/  entertainment.

I take it that music is similarly not up for discussion unless you're Quincy Jones.

Can only Martin Scorsese discuss the relative merits or weaknesses of a film?

[Rip Van We Go Again]

I wonder if those who feel that MON should be beyond criticism because of his lengthy time in the game extend that kind of logic to other areas of interest/  entertainment.

I take it that music is similarly not up for discussion unless you're Quincy Jones.

Can only Martin Scorsese discuss the relative merits or weaknesses of a film?

I've said this before Kevin.
If you play the 'MON is a professional and you are not' card, then you have no right to question George Osborne and David Camerons political competence, Westlife's studio recordings or Carling Black Label Lager's (lack of) taste.

[TheSandman]

Every other profession is fair game? In that case, I'll just come on here in future if I need a medical diagnosis, financial advice, accounts looking at, legal guidance etc.

It wouldn't be at all stupid to take seriously the views of amateurs who sometimes imply they know more than the professionals despite being in possession of only a fraction of the relevant information would it?

Never allowed to comment? That's up there with not being allowed to be English.

So what if they don't know as much as managers? So what if they've not managed at any level? I think you're both stating the obvious and missing the point, Percy.

I thought football was all about opinions and thinking you knew more than the professionals. Isn't that the whole point of football message boards?

I don't know anything like as much about football as Rafa Benitez, I've never managed a team at any level (although I have sat in the dugouts at Dundee, Dundee United, Hibs and Hearts, but that's another story). He's won the Champions League and is currently managing his third big European Club.

I still think he royally fucked it up at Liverpool towards the end, though, and I'm still going to act like I know more about it than he does.

That's an interesting point. I'm sure some of the people who invoke this H&V iteration of Godwin's Law will freely criticise Rafa and indeed Mourinho or Taggart. It's just one manager who seems to be immune from criticism.

I also don't get this argument that you have to show unswerving support of a manager to rate and back him. Nobody's perfect after all. Certainly not MoN, Mourinho or Ferguson.