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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: martin@ardenley on October 18, 2005, 10:32:00 AM
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from givemefootball.com
Aston Villa fans´ groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later.
Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday´s annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential investors will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.
VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
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Why do VFC get so much publicity? Didn't JF storm out of the AGM like a big baby recently? I can't believe journo's still take him seriously.
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Poppycock.
We need investment to have a crack at the top 5 or so, yes. As it is I think we'll steadily improve with this current squad until we're knocking on the European door. Defenitely need some cover in the Jan window and hopefully we'll have rich new overlords by then.
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Poppycock.
We need investment to have a crack at the top 5 or so, yes. As it is I think we'll steadily improve with this current squad until we're knocking on the European door. Defenitely need some cover in the Jan window and hopefully we'll have rich new overlords by then.
One win over a shit team and we're going to be challenging for Europe Maz? Reality check required I think. When was the last time we recorded back to back wins? We should do this week, but knowing Villa we'll go and balls it up against Wigan.
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First Mr Fear was unhppy about Ellis not talking to to Ranson about his bid. Now he's unhappy because he's talking to somebody else about a bid. Had Ranson offered him a job or is he just a permanantly unhappy man?
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Who is Jonathan Fear?
Really...i don't know who he is, or what, if any, experience he has of running a Premiership football club?
What are his qualifications for spouting bollocks
VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
Qualify backwards Mr Fear?...you may use your family tree!
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Had Ranson offered him a job?
That crossed my mind when i read it.
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Thats what I mean Chris, why does anyone take the first bit of notice of anything he has to say? No matter what HDE does it will never be good enough for Jon Fear.
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Who is Jonathan Fear?
Really...i don't know who he is, or what, if any, experience he has of running a Premiership football club?
What are his qualifications for spouting bollocks
VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
Qualify backwards Mr Fear?...you may use your family tree!
Well this could get silly, who are you to say Jonathan Fear has no right to an opinion? Generally in a three year cycle we seem to take one step forward and two steps back, this summer we seem to have taken a forward step with our investment, but will we maintain it?
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Andy Poole wrote:
Who is Jonathan Fear?
Really...i don't know who he is, or what, if any, experience he has of running a Premiership football club?
What are his qualifications for spouting bollocks
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VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
Qualify backwards Mr Fear?...you may use your family tree!
Well this could get silly, who are you to say Jonathan Fear has no right to an opinion? Generally in a three year cycle we seem to take one step forward and two steps back, this summer we seem to have taken a forward step with our investment, but will we maintain it?
I don't go around claiming to represent Villa fans, he does....he claims to speak on my behalf yet i have never ever met the man
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I don't go around claiming to represent Villa fans, he does....he claims to speak on my behalf yet i have never ever met the man
When has he ever claimed to speak on your behalf? I've never seen him claim to be the voice of all Villa fans. He represents a group of Villa fans.
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What is there to disagree with in the statement? If we don't get investment, we WILL keep going backwards. Most of the comments on this thread are just criticising for the pure sake of it.
And I really can't see how the journalist's spin on it can be obtained from what Jon actually said. How do you get to
Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid
from
Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future
Where does he say he's sceptical about anything. he just says we need investment, which we do.
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When was the last time we recorded back to back wins? We should do this week, but knowing Villa we'll go and balls it up against Wigan.
why should we, wigan are playing well, it wont be the walk in the park we all thought it would be at the start of the season.
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Most of the comments on this thread are just criticising for the pure sake of it.
They've something in common with VFC then.
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Most of the comments on this thread are just criticising for the pure sake of it.
They've something in common with VFC then.
Yeah, Ellis has never done anything worthy of criticism has he? Hang on, didn't somebody once stand in the election on an "Ellis Out" ticket? I guess he must have done something bad once then. Marches and red card protests are futile, but that was going to end with the person concerned representing us in Parliament was it?
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More quotes on football365
Aston Villa fans' groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later.
Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday's annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential investors will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.
VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
Villa have already rejected a £47million takeover bid from a consortium including former Manchester City player Ray Ranson in July.
Fear added: "You can't keep flirting with relegation forever and, for the chairman to say we are going for Europe without any investment, is an insult to the fans.
"At the AGM I did question Mr Ellis on whether he had confused the Champions League with the Championship. He didn't answer - but, if we continue down the road we are on at present, that quip could just become reality."
Fear added: "I truly hope that AGM was the last pro-active action anyone involved with VFC and the Aston Villa Shareholders' Association have to take and that the board of AVFC are honestly considering a takeover proposal.
"However, it has to be said, that the timing is more than a little convenient. The same happened before last year's AGM and the same excuses for not answering our questions were given.
"They suggested virtually no questions could be answered because of the rules of the City. Two years in a row, two years of losses, two years of poor on-the-field performances and two years where they couldn't answer questions.
"If people don't come forward and genuinely bid, and at the moment there is no official bid but just an approach and enquiry, then the club, both on the field and on the accountants' sheets, will continue to stagnate or fall behind our competitors."
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What is there to disagree with in the statement? If we don't get investment, we WILL keep going backwards. Most of the comments on this thread are just criticising for the pure sake of it.
And I really can't see how the journalist's spin on it can be obtained from what Jon actually said. How do you get to
Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid
from
Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future
Where does he say he's sceptical about anything. he just says we need investment, which we do.
I trust he will be doing something about his views being falsely reported then.
The problem I have with VFC is that they are always represented in the media as being an Umbrella organisation for fans groups when they are no such thing. If they were reported that way once then I'd give them the benefit of the doubt but when it happens repeatedly with no apparent effort made to correct this misrepresentation then they lose credibility in my eyes because it does appear as though they are claiming to speak on behalf of the wider fanbase. Whether that is there intrention or not is neither here nor there if they don't do anything to counter it.
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How can they moan about investment when this summer we spent a fair bit of cash building a squad DOL wants.
It's not just about spending money, look at everton last year and bolton and charlton they don't spend shit loads but they are doing well.
And unless jon fear has a huge amount of money that he himself can invest in aston villa then i'd wish he would shut the fuck up. he is the exact reason villa fans have a repuation for being a bunch of moaning bastards.
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"You can't keep flirting with relegation forever and, for the chairman to say we are going for Europe without any investment, is an insult to the fans.
Plonker!
"At the AGM I did question Mr Ellis on whether he had confused the Champions League with the Championship. He didn't answer..."
It’s called treating a question with the contempt it deserves.
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Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.
Predictable.
21 pages at least.
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He must have done something to rattle Doug, as he got a fair bit of discussion on SSN on Saturday. If he's helped Doug decide to get out a bit sooner by even 1%, it's all been worthwhile in my eyes.
And spending a fair amount of money this summer hasn't yet made up for the under investment in the previous 2-3 years.
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Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.
Predictable.
21 pages at least.
Perhaps it’s because while it is quite amusing to see Fear make a complete plonker of himself, people aren’t so keen for him to drag the rest of Villadom through the mud.
By the way, the only truly predictable thing here is that VFC should try to hijack a good Villa story and make their perpetually dark cloud eclipse a silver lining.
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Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.
Predictable.
Shouldn't that be, stomps his foot and screams and screams until he's sick?
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Shouldn't that be, stomps his foot and holds
What does that mean exactly?
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Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.
Predictable.
Shouldn't that be, stomps his foot and holds and screams and screams until he's sick?
Perhaps you missed the point, Mac.
It may be that he wanted everybody to join in with a big musical number:
“Clap hands
Stamp your feet.
Bang it on a big bass drum.
What a travesty
What a travesty
Rum tiddley um pum pum pum pum
Stick it in yer AGM album.”
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Well at least it looks like it got Disco posting again, so it's not all bad.
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Well at least it looks like it got Disco posting again, so it's not all bad.
Is there anything these VFC jokers won’t erroneously attempt to take credit for?
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Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.
Predictable.
21 pages at least.
Do you see him as some sort of angel then?
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Would any VFC types care to explain how a club that’s only twice finished outside the top flight’s top ten in the last fourteen years is “flirting with relegation forever”?
By the way, it seems that members of the fundamentalist wing of the Fear Groupies are getting quite upset.
I predict a riot.
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Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.
Predictable.
21 pages at least.
Do you see him as some sort of angel then?
Fear’s about as effective as Angel – constantly offside and always fires well wide of the target.
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nit pickers of the world unite :smt009
Look guys Ellis is going to go, thus the need for any protest goes and if someone takes us private ala Glazier then you can forget about any kind of groups.
The future is bright.
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Or always does the hard work, beat the man, then picks up his ball and cries off home when someone tries to tackle him. He reminds me of a kid in school who had one argument, and when he was losing would stomp of and claim he was being bullied.
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Would any VFC types care to explain how a club that’s only twice finished outside the top flight’s top ten in the last fourteen years is “flirting with relegation forever”?
That's up there with the amount we spent on Djemba Djemba ... ](*,)
Look guys Ellis is going to go, thus the need for any protest goes and if someone takes us private ala Glazier then you can forget about any kind of groups.
That touches on something I was thinking about - once Ellis goes, who are we going to blame for bad performances? The players? :-k
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That touches on something I was thinking about - once Ellis goes, who are we going to blame for bad performances? The players?
Thatcher, everything else is her fault.
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Jonathan Fear is entitled to his opinion.
I am also entitled to mine "He's a Egotistical tosser"
By the way I'm speaking on behalf of the CVF (Combined Villa Fans)
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nit pickers of the world unite :smt009
Look guys Ellis is going to go, thus the need for any protest goes and if someone takes us private ala Glazier then you can forget about any kind of groups.
The future is bright.
It's a bit more than nit picking when the guy's standing up proclaiming this and that, frequently wide of the mark comments, as if he represents the majority of Villa fans.
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nit pickers of the world unite :smt009
Look guys Ellis is going to go, thus the need for any protest goes and if someone takes us private ala Glazier then you can forget about any kind of groups.
The future is bright.
I don't get that why when Ellis goes, the club will have an epiphany and rocket up the league. What possible reason do we have to suggest anything will change in the forthcoming. Are we going to get a whole new squad of players, a new manager, training facilities to rival Man U and a gold plated stadium?
Do you honestly believe that any new consortia is the answer, when we don't know anything about them (If indeed they do exist)?
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Jonathan Fear is entitled to his opinion.
I am also entitled to mine "He's a Egotistical tosser"
By the way I'm speaking on behalf of the CVF (Combined Villa Fans)
You people in the CVF should be working with VFT, Villa Fans Together - the true voice of Villa fans.
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I hope when we are sold, VFC retire!
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Neil, not sure why you think there is no consortuim because if there isn't Ellis should be jailed.
We don;t know who is involved but everyone excepts Ellis's time is over even him so we can just to who is bidding.
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Neil, not sure why you think there is no consortuim because if there isn't Ellis should be jailed.
We don;t know who is involved but everyone excepts Ellis's time is over even him so we can just to who is bidding.
Ian you are a total idiot! by should Ellis be jailed. People like you are gonna be so bored when we he does leave
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Richard We are a PLc and Ellis on national TV (sky) said that tehre were two consortuims, this has an immediate impact on shareprices, thus if he lies he was misleading the city and shareholders that is a jailable offence.
I don't believe for one minute he is lying I firmly believe he has agreed a price and now all that is left is the fine print.
He is paving the way with teh training ground being his monument to the club as he could not build the North Stand,
I am thinking of an Ellis free future by December.
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No need to call anyone an idiot Richard.
He's entitled to his opinion.
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No need to call anyone an idiot Richard.
He's entitled to his opinion.
Fair comment, Mark
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When has he ever claimed to speak on your behalf? I've never seen him claim to be the voice of all Villa fans. He represents a group of Villa fans.
He speaks on behalf of a group which claims to be an umbrella of Villa supporters' groups. In reality he represents maybe half a dozen of his friends. He's happy to be quoted as a fans' leader. That's why he gets so much stick.
Incidentally, this is what Jon Fear thinks of anyone who disagrees with him.
http://listman.net/archives/villa/2005-October/061553.html
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Risso, I do believe this squad will get steadily better throughout the season. I've not seen anything from any other team bar Chelsea and maybe Man Utd to say that if we get a good run together we wont climb the league and challenge for a European place.
There are a few problems to iron out but we are showing [In my opinion] that we can score goals and play some good attacking football. Hopefully as the season progresses, we will settle down and be consistently strong.
We still have a very young team that are learning their trade and each others games. I'm certainly not worried about mixing it up at the wrong end of the table and I do expect a good run of results pretty soon.
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How very dare you feel positive about Aston Villa, Mazrim.
There’s only one word for your kind –
Supporter!
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I'm very positive for the future
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Neil, not sure why you think there is no consortuim because if there isn't Ellis should be jailed.
We don;t know who is involved but everyone excepts Ellis's time is over even him so we can just to who is bidding.
I was referring to the fact that just because he is talking doesn't make it a done deal by any stetch.
Where is the evidence that Ellis is about to accept? I think Doug's tenure is coming to a close, but there is nothing as yet to confirm if he is going to sell, or merely step aside his chairmanship role to someone else on the board.
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I have been thinking about the VFCFearshareholdersgroup since the AGM and i have to admit they/he are still annoying. Get a fuckin girlfriend or take up a hobby but please stop releasing stupid press releases claiming all villa fans feel the same as you and your bedroom revolution gang.
You never answer questions put to you from the fans you claim to speak for, so im walking out.
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To be fair I usually agree with Risso. I'm nowhere near content with the Ellis era and although I do think he has done his best or at least cares a lot about Villa I do want him to quit now and sell Villa to folks who can take it forward.
I dont doubt for a second that if Dougula does sell Villa, it will be to somebody who can and will take us forward and I think its exciting but the current squad is young and potentially exciting. Its going to be a bit turbulent to start with but eventually we will have a great team.
Even better if we can add to our best players with a few world class performers courtesy of our new benefactors.
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Got to go out now !!!
busy time typing this
Basically Neil if he was simply handing over to stride then why all the emotion on Sunday, he has seen us beat Blooz before, there is something else. He is openly talking about consortuims, he has set his own deadline of a month, he has not said anything about wanting to stay on.
the signs are that he is going.
If he wanted to hand over to Stride that could have been done at the AGM biut instead he annouced thaat we were in detailed talks on takeover.
It is happening
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Are you the same Ian who said when the Cisneros deal was first mooted that Doug was hanging on and it was only a matter of time?
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If things are happening then I think we can be confident that ellis won't sell out to a bunch of asset strippers. However, how many of you lot feel like me and are a bit concerned that there hasn't been any indication of the identity of at least one of these consortiums?
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Sunday's emotion was an old man, in his twilight years savouring a win for the club he loves, in the knowledge that it'll probably be his last as chairman of the club, as he will retire very shortly. Anything else is just conjecture and we can make up all the conspiracy theories we want, but all we know right now is that we've had an approach that he is listening to. Hardly big news at the moment
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Well at least it looks like it got Disco posting again, so it's not all bad.
Another pseudonym - and I thought that H&V had unearthed another writer with a very similar repartee.
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Richard We are a PLc and Ellis on national TV (sky) said that tehre were two consortuims, this has an immediate impact on shareprices, thus if he lies he was misleading the city and shareholders that is a jailable offence.
I don't believe for one minute he is lying I firmly believe he has agreed a price and now all that is left is the fine print.
He is paving the way with teh training ground being his monument to the club as he could not build the North Stand,
I am thinking of an Ellis free future by December.
If he is paving the way - can we call him John the Baptist from now on?
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Whatever you say about Doug he must be a very forgiving person.
After all ianrobo has said about old Deadly over the years it’s clear the guy has magnanimously decided to share all of his future plans with his long-time adversary whom he fondly refers to as ‘Who?’.
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NeilH wrote
Sunday's emotion was an old man, in his twilight years savouring a win for the club he loves, in the knowledge that it'll probably be his last as chairman of the club, as he will retire very shortly. Anything else is just conjecture
Surely that is conjecture?
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Richard We are a PLc and Ellis on national TV (sky) said that tehre were two consortuims, this has an immediate impact on shareprices, thus if he lies he was misleading the city and shareholders that is a jailable offence.
Norman Stanley Herbert Douglas Ellis.
You have pleaded guilty to the charge of taking the piss out of Ian Robathan, and it is now my duty....
You know the rest.
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Well there are a few of us that can play Godber - or will that be Steve Stride?
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Well there are a few of us that can play Godber...
Richard Beckinsale was somewhat taller than you.
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I do want him to quit now and sell Villa to folks who can take it forward.
And so say all of us. But VFC just seem to want Villa sold. To anybody. ](*,)
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I hope when we are sold, VFC retire!
As said a few months ago, it'll be a press release along the lines of
"We note with interest that we won"
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Sunday's emotion was an old man, in his twilight years savouring a win for the club he loves, in the knowledge that it'll probably be his last as chairman of the club, as he will retire very shortly. Anything else is just conjecture and we can make up all the conspiracy theories we want, but all we know right now is that we've had an approach that he is listening to. Hardly big news at the moment
no conspriarcy theories Neil but look at the evidence
1) Two admissions within three days that bidders are talking to the club
2) A heart to heart on Friday with DOL
3) DOL's and Ellis's reaction
4) share price heading towards probable bid price (550p)
5) No statement from Ellis stating he will be leaving in a box
6) No replacement for FD and CEO
All of these add up in my mind only one sceanrio that teh deal will do, whilst Neil you may want to wait for the ink to dry I am predicting it will happen soon, no inside info just looking at the evidence.
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He must have done something to rattle Doug, as he got a fair bit of discussion on SSN on Saturday.
Is the success of VFC is measured in column inches?
Cause and effect is a truly pliable science in VFC circles. As I pointed out on another AGM autopsy, the media spoke about the AGM because of the takeover talks. VFC/SA got in there as a loud anti-Doug voice. How that equates with rattling Doug is something only explicable in the alternative bubble in which VFC lives. DOUG was rattled (or put out) once in the AGM and that was when someone with no connection to VFC took it upon himself to claim no one could stand the sight of Doug.
As for the question about how do they get so much publicity, there are a number of outlets who require a story a day on every Premier League club, not least PA which feeds all these sites which pop up as the source of stories on here. Unsurprisingly, there are many days when sod all happens at a given club. I'll leave you to work out the cause and effect.
Just a couple of other points. VFC = fans' groups, or four flouncers, two associates and a couple of dozen members of apoplectics anonymous?
And what flirting with relegation?
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4) share price heading towards probable bid price (550p)
Not sure if this is significant but shares down 21p today to 479.
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Oh no! The market doesn't think there will be a takeover.
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sell! sell!
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When has he ever claimed to speak on your behalf? I've never seen him claim to be the voice of all Villa fans. He represents a group of Villa fans.
He speaks on behalf of a group which claims to be an umbrella of Villa supporters' groups. In reality he represents maybe half a dozen of his friends. He's happy to be quoted as a fans' leader. That's why he gets so much stick.
Incidentally, this is what Jon Fear thinks of anyone who disagrees with him.
http://listman.net/archives/villa/2005-October/061553.html
Dave when you get quoted in the press the comments are similar "What right has Dave got to say that, who does he think he is, he doesn't represent me" blah blah blah. I'm still yet to see a claim from Jon Fear himself proclaiming himself as a self styled leader of the rebel alliance or whatever.
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First - when I talk to the media (which isn't very often, as I long ago realised it's more trouble than it's worth), I make it clear that I speak for nobody but myself. If they want to twist that into something else, that's their outlook, but as a general rule, I won't deal with anyone who makes me out to be a leader or spokesman of/for anything again.
Second - Jon Fear regularly contacts the media, describing himself as the spokesman for VFC, which he then describes as a coalition of Villa fans' groups (although VFC tends to be sketchy about what these groups are). He therefore is, by any definition, calling himself a fans' leader. He has also, no matter how much he protests about the phrase, never, to my knowledge, refused to speak to anyone who describes him in the terms he claims to dislike. I can therefore only presume that he's happy to be called a fans' leader.
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ianrobo wrote:
4) share price heading towards probable bid price (550p)
Not sure if this is significant but shares down 21p today to 479.
Oh no! The market doesn't think there will be a takeover.
Or they have an inkling that the offer will be less than a fiver a share? :-k [/b]
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There are an awful lot of people out there who want to see the back of Ellis, and I'm sure that many of them agree with Jon's statements. There may well be as many who think Doug's done a great job. Nothing's stopping any of them forming a group or contacting the media.
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to my knowledge, refused to speak to anyone who describes him in the terms he claims to dislike. I can therefore only presume that he's happy to be called a fans' leader.
And this is probably what winds most people up about him.
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to my knowledge, refused to speak to anyone who describes him in the terms he claims to dislike. I can therefore only presume that he's happy to be called a fans' leader.
And this is probably what winds most people up about him.
Most people? Or a few people on H&V with an axe to grind?
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There are an awful lot of people out there who want to see the back of Ellis, and I'm sure that many of them agree with Jon's statements. There may well be as many who think Doug's done a great job. Nothing's stopping any of them forming a group or contacting the media.
However if that happened and then this new group made out like they spoke for the majority of villa fans, i bet Mr Fear and the old VFC wouldn't be to happy with that.
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However if that happened and then this new group made out like that spoke for the majority of villa fans, i bet Mr Fear and the old VFC would be to happy with that.
Want to try that again, but in English this time?
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Most people? Or a few people on H&V with an axe to grind?
Wait i made out i was speaking on behalf of more people than i actually was and you weren't happy with this. Isn't that strange.
And yes i was rushing my post so it didn't come out great. Well done Risso you must be a much better man than me. I think it's pretty pathetic when during a discussion you have to bring in how someone has written their post.
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Gentleman. Can we not start with all this VFC bollocks again please.
We all want the best for Villa. Some of us differ slightly in how that is best achieved.
Most of us see a takeover by a reputable and financially sound group as the best way forward. It may or may not happen.
Lets wait and see.
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Well done Risso you must be a much better man than me. I think it's pretty pathetic when during a discussion you have to bring in how someone has written their post.
Hang on a second, according to you, Jon Fear shouldn't comment on Ellis's chairmanship, because he hasn't had the intelligence to have amassed a personal fortune, and yet you can't string a simple sentence together so it's readable to other members of the site.
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Most people? Or a few people on H&V with an axe to grind?
Although I disagree with the "axe to grind" bit, you've hit the nail on the head. I reckon I share the view of some (God knows how many) Villa fans. One of the things I like about coming on here or talking to other Villa fans is sharing those views - sometimes convincing other people of my view, sometimes being convinced by the view of others.
What I'm always prepared for is facing a contrary view. I welcome it because it helps inform and stops me disappearing up my own arse in the delluded belief that I hold all knowledge.
How has VFC reacted to contrary views?
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How has VFC reacted to contrary views?
They note things with interest?
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Hang on a second, according to you, Jon Fear shouldn't comment on Ellis's chairmanship, because he hasn't had the intelligence to have amassed a personal fortune, and yet you can't string a simple sentence together so it's readable to other members of the site.
I never said he shouldn't comment, i said i don't agree with some of his methods and doing nothing to stop this image that he speaks on behalf of villa fans. However there is a big difference between just a comment and telling doug directly to his face how things should be done and demanding his resignation. Just my opinion mind and notice how i've just stuck to the points you've made and not how you write them on an internet message board.
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Second - Jon Fear regularly contacts the media, describing himself as the spokesman for VFC, which he then describes as a coalition of Villa fans' groups (although VFC tends to be sketchy about what these groups are). He therefore is, by any definition, calling himself a fans' leader. He has also, no matter how much he protests about the phrase, never, to my knowledge, refused to speak to anyone who describes him in the terms he claims to dislike. I can therefore only presume that he's happy to be called a fans' leader.
I think there's a big difference between claiming to be a fans leader and claiming to speak for all fans, which is where the bulk of the criticism comes from, I've never had the impression that Jon Fear is claiming to speak for me, he does claim to speak for VFC and if the people in VFC don't like that then that's up to them to sort out.
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so apparently we can not have freedom of speech and tell Ellis how he should ru(i)n OUR club.
fine you disagree with Jon's comments that is ok but the comments every time there is a VFC comment is daft, OTT and also very personal.
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How has VFC reacted to contrary views?
They note things with interest?
As it happens, they ignore it. They react to abuse and note occurrances.
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fine you disagree with Jon's comments that is ok but the comments every time there is a VFC comment is daft, OTT and also very personal.
And we can't have personal comments, can we? That would never do.
VFC speak about the Villa. What gives them the divine right not to be spoken about by Villa supporters?
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fine you disagree with Jon's comments that is ok but the comments every time there is a VFC comment is daft, OTT and also very personal.
Are you talking about VFC Ian?
The reason people comment on VFC is simple. They make all Villa fans look like moaning whingers. When 2 defeats can cause a protest and one win stops it.
Plus some of their idiotic statements/actions and timing of press releases makes it impossible not to pass comment.
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he does claim to speak for VFC and if the people in VFC don't like that then that's up to them to sort out.
Whoever these people might be, if indeed there are people "in" VFC.
*ducks for cover*
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fine you disagree with Jon's comments that is ok but the comments every time there is a VFC comment is daft, OTT and also very personal.
Which could be said about some of the comments released by VFC about Doug.
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what personal comments have they ever made about Ellis, or me or you guys etc.
It is fair comment to say that a sick 81 year old should not be in charge of a PLc and OUR football club.
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I think anybody reading this thread or the countless others like it might also reach the conclusion that Villa fans are nothing but whingers.
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what personal comments have they ever made about Ellis, or me or you guys etc.
Ian, please tell me you're joking. What 'personal comments' have VFC and friends ever said about us? Are you serious?
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Tony look at my post
WHAT personaal comments ?
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what personal comments have they ever made about Ellis, or me or you guys etc.
It is fair comment to say that a sick 81 year old should not be in charge of a PLc and OUR football club.
I don't think that's a fair comment at all and think it's ageist and very personal.
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Dave in their press release i haave not seen them call you names nor Mac nor anyone from this website or others.
Their comments are about ellis and a viewpoint that many share ?
WHAT personal comments about ELLIS ?
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I'm still trying to work out when all these relegations battles have been. Must have missed them as i can only recall 1 from the last 10 years or so.
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Dave in their press release i haave not seen them call you names nor Mac nor anyone from this website or others.
Well I've never said anything about them in a press release, so now we're square.
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Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.
Here is a test for name me a 81 year old who is an exec chairman and CEO of any other PLC ?
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I don't think that's a fair comment at all and think it's ageist and very personal.
Only as ageist as stock exchange rules that say directors shouldn't stand for re-election after the age of 70.
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Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't no 81 would be.
Here is a test for name me a 81 year old who is an exec chairman and CEO of any other PLC ?
What has his age got to do with anything? How can you say that's not personal?
William Dillard was an 80 year old CEO. Google is good like that.
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I don't think that's a fair comment at all and think it's ageist and very personal.
Only as ageist as stock exchange rules that say directors shouldn't stand for re-election after the age of 70.
Shouldn't or can't?
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Tony look at my post
WHAT personaal comments ?
This press release was a particular favourite (http://www.villafc.com/PR_20040109.html)
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shouldn't it is not good governance because they could die at any moment and leave the company in trouble and seconddly they recommend new blood.
And it is no more personal than saying someone who is blind can not drive
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Shouldn't or can't?
It clearly says "shouldn't" Tony! ".....Except where it's in the best interests of the company."
Well thank God Doug stayed on then, else we'd have very probably "done a Leeds."
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Sorry, almost forgot this one (http://www.villafc.com/PR_20050118.html)
I find it hard to think of a more ridiculed or hated Chairman
Admittedly most PRs are more careful. Certainly more careful than spur of the moment pronouncements.
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and whats the problem with that one, it is not a great one but nothing too abusive, unless you think having an 81 year old running a PLc is right
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Sorry, which one?
Did I ever mention I find it hard to think of a more ridiculed or hated former leader of a Villa fans' group? :wink:
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".....Except where it's in the best interests of the company."
Well thank God Doug stayed on then, else we'd have very probably "done a Leeds."
Aaaah, for the days when it was someone not a million miles from this thread's dearest wish to 'do a Leeds'.
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Dave, Leeds, blew with help from DOl. at one stage it worked until the Cardiff game, with two CL seasons and top of the table. it was the season after when they failed to qualify as the plan called for CL qualification it blew up.
We have never had a plan under Ellis, or if there was one it was well hidden !!
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So it's the rip-roaring success that is Leed United we're talking about now.
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".....Except where it's in the best interests of the company."
Well thank God Doug stayed on then, else we'd have very probably "done a Leeds."
Aaaah, for the days when it was someone not a million miles from this thread's dearest wish to 'do a Leeds'.
If we're digging up old views I'm sure I could have a look back and find some of your old rants against Doug.
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I thought Everton were the new role model of "success." ;-) :lol:
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Feel free, Risso. There's nothing much where I wouldn't defend my belief at the time, nor, with the wisdom of experience, if necessary explain my change of opinion.
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So we did want to do a Leeds, but don't want to do a Leeds. Like Doug, his detractors indulge in too much revising of points of reference.
We do have a plan under Doug. It's the same as always. In basic terms, give all available cash to the manager to spend, but don't bank on a top four finish. It's a good plan which falls down (from the fans' point of view) on a perceived inability to self-generate enough cash. It has produced more success than most, but not enough to create either sustained success or, in more recent years, peaks of hope.
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Feel free, Risso. There's nothing much where I wouldn't defend my belief at the time, nor, with the wisdom of experience, if necessary explain my change of opinion.
And I'd say the same, so why use discussions from 4 years ago to back up your points?
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And I'd say the same, so why use discussions from 4 years ago to back up your points?
Ten? fights against relegation.
No one man should control the Villa.
Where were you in '82.
I won't tolerate anything but success.
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It's all in the
timing
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So we did want to do a Leeds, but don't want to do a Leeds. Like Doug, his detractors indulge in too much revising of points of reference.
We do have a plan under Doug. It's the same as always. In basic terms, give all available cash to the manager to spend, but don't bank on a top four finish. It's a good plan which falls down (from the fans' point of view) on a perceived inability to self-generate enough cash. It has produced more success than most, but not enough to create either sustained success or, in more recent years, peaks of hope.
I agree Simon the plan is about staying where we are, being risk free and hoping we don't get relegated (thanks Marcus). However the plan is more suitable for a Charlton or a fulham not a big club. We have got the resources through loans to progress and try and challenge as Leeds did but failed.
It is always the fear of failure that has held Villa back and a number of supporters.
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I think anybody reading this thread or the countless others like it might also reach the conclusion that Villa fans are nothing but whingers.
You can thank the VFC for that. All they do is fuckin moan. Every Villa fan worth his salt woke up with a smile as wide as the Mersey tunnel for the last couple of days, but what does the VFC do??
Yeah you guessed it, they fuckin moaned again.
Give us all a rest for Christ sake.
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So we agree there is a plan after all?
I find the Ellis plan perfectly acceptable. It's the same one Man Utd and Arsenal used to such great effect. The difference is in the application. To completely succeed you need either luck and/or much better income. I think we'd agree that Villa failed to fully capitalise on the Premier League boom and the lack of competition anywhere in the Midlands. Hence it's not the plan that's wrong, but the application could be better.
The Leeds shit or bust method has so far only worked at Chelsea and that needed Abramovich. There's nothing wrong with wanting the two seasons Leeds enjoyed, but something very wrong with advocating it as a sensible business plan.
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see and there is the big difference Simon and the heart of all these discussions.
The plan is simply NOT acceptable for a big club like us because the supporters demand far much. The orginal protests started when we were in the top 6 now you saying the plan is ok to keep us 10th.
Yes if you want to go back in history the last 10 years has been ok but I believe the club should be striving for the very top and we don't, thats why Elliss's reign will be remembered as unambitous and frankly boring.
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Do you just skim read?
The plan works for the most successful clubs of the PL era. Therefore, we can extrapolate that the plan works. Indeed, four of the top six clubs in PL history utilise that exact same plan. So...
Man Utd: Worked through brilliant marketing of myth/legend coupled with luck of an exceptional youth crop.
Arsenal: Worked through brilliant marketing coupled with luck of Arsene's bargains coming good.
Liverpool: Failed (relatively) because of some poor purchases.
Villa: Failed (relatively) because of some poor purchases and not generating enough income.
Newcastle have combined good income generation with big debts (which seems to be what you're advocating but correct me if I'm wrong). Result, less success than Villa. Interestingly, Man Utd tried the same thing in the 80s and were moments away from being owned by Knighton once the banks got pissed off.
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The plan is simply NOT acceptable for a big club like us because the supporters demand far much.
The big club with one title, one FA Cup and one European trophy in 85 years?
The big club that pre-Ellis's return had finished in the top four on a massive two occasions in te previous half a century? That big club?
Doug could have done better than he has, but let's not kid ouselves that we were Real Madrid before he arrived.
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So Man Ure are different because they generate three times more money than us
Arsenal have been lucky wiith managers but now gone into debt by £200m
Liverpool are I believe £50m in debt (can anyone confirm this)
So none of them have the same policies because they all agressively market the club to increase revenue streams and thus afford players.
I am advocating debt Simon, all companies run an amount of leverage, anyone with a mortgage runs a debt based on future income.
It is a risk (and there's the key) but we could run a debt of £40m and afford it this releases the money for players to get us higher, generating more money.
That is what all companiess do.
do you think DHL are buying Excel with cash ?
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In the last press release, VFC stated we have had "2 years of poor on-field performances"
Ok, last year wasn't great, but it could of been worse. And 03/04 was a great season which would of earned us Europe in a typical year!
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Arsenal's debt is as a result of the stadium plan. At the minute it looks like biting them on the arse, but let's learn from Leeds and wait to see what happens.
Liverpool's debt is a new one to me. They have enjoyed the funding of Granada - which was like our frankly exceptional ntl deal only bigger.
£40m is around the market capital of the company. You'll forgive me if I don't take business advice from you?
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Ok Dave so we have done fuck all for 80 years so what !!!
that should not meean we should think small we all know we could be a big club in all measures of what one is it is only people like Ellis who think being Birmingham's no.1 team that stops us.
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do you think DHL are buying Excel with cash ?
No, they are probabaly 'borrowing' a copy from work the same as everybody else.
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Ok Dave so we have done fuck all for 80 years so what !!!
that should not meean we should think small we all know we could be a big club in all measures of what one is it is only people like Ellis who think being Birmingham's no.1 team that stops us.
So once Doug Ellis leaves, every day will be the first day of Spring. How, exactly?
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So Doug's plan has been the same as Man Utd's and Arsenal's. Apart from the bit about the brilliant marketing. And the bit about appointing the right manager and sticking with them through thick and thin. And the bit about having a decent board of directors all pulling together to take the club forwards. Ah yes, exactly the same
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do you think DHL are buying Excel with cash ?
No, they are probabaly 'borrowing' a copy from work the same as everybody else.
I can use my work copy legally at home thank you very much!
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Shouldn't or can't?
It clearly says "shouldn't" Tony! ".....Except where it's in the best interests of the company."
Well thank God Doug stayed on then, else we'd have very probably "done a Leeds."
So he can then, so what's the problem, why use personal insults about his age to try and make a point? That sort of personal abuse is counter productive, it undermines the good points made about the failings of Ellis' leadership.
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So he can then, so what's the problem, why use personal insults about his age to try and make a point?
Running out of ideas obviously...
Next month he'll be too short and thus not fit to run Aston Villa.
Martin, can you clarify whether it's 6 or 7 for me?..just trying to tie up some loose ends.
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Martin, can you clarify whether it's 6 or 7 for me?..just trying to tie up some loose ends.
In terms of contribution to this site I'd give you a 3. You only seem to pipe up when there's a VFC thread. STILL not got over your Villa Talk experience Matthew?
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Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.
F'ing ell, that statement, by it's globally sweeping presumption, IS ageist.
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Some people are just too stupid :-$
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In terms of contribution to this site I'd give you a 3. You only seem to pipe up when there's a VFC thread. STILL not got over your Villa Talk experience Matthew?
3 Mr Angry's it is...it gets lower every time :-k
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Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.
F'ing ell, that statement, by it's globally sweeping presumption, IS ageist.
how can it be ageist Mac, retirement age is 65, every company I have worked for enforces the rule and why ?
because you need to renew your staff at that age people get less involved, less interested and more boring.
I asked for examples and was brought one name I had not heard off but just like you wouldn't want a 20 year old running Villa you also wouldn't want a 81 year old (for obviously different reasnons before anyone becomes smart arse !!)
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What’s age got to do with it?
William Pitt The Younger was Prime Minister at 24 while Gladstone and Churchill both held the job into their 80s.
This age business is simply a VFC red herring.
Are we expected to believe that they’d think Doug was wonderful if only he were a few years younger?
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Well there are a few of us that can play Godber...
Richard Beckinsale was somewhat taller than you.
How do you know :smt002
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I've seen him on the telly.
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So Man Ure are different because they generate three times more money than us
Arsenal have been lucky wiith managers but now gone into debt by £200m
Liverpool are I believe £50m in debt (can anyone confirm this)
So none of them have the same policies because they all agressively market the club to increase revenue streams and thus afford players.
I am advocating debt Simon, all companies run an amount of leverage, anyone with a mortgage runs a debt based on future income.
It is a risk (and there's the key) but we could run a debt of £40m and afford it this releases the money for players to get us higher, generating more money.
That is what all companiess do.
do you think DHL are buying Excel with cash ?
Ian that is utter rubbish, new investor borrow to buy villa 100% say 50m, debt gets loaded into AVFC Ltd, AVFC have to service debt. E.g 50 million debt, service costs 6-8M, a year. We play 20 games a season = servicing costs of 400000 a game. Average crowd 35000 (gates rise with new ownership), equals costs to each fan to service debt 12 pounds a game. Are you gonna pay between 28-40 pounds a ticket JUST to service debt borrowings to buy the club, NOT to sign players!
We need to see where this money is coming from to buy villa prior to getting the welcome carpet out!
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Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.
F'ing ell, that statement, by it's globally sweeping presumption, IS ageist.
how can it be ageist Mac, retirement age is 65, every company I have worked for enforces the rule and why ?
retirement age does not apply to directors
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What I want to know is what's happened to that fund that the VFC keep banging on about.
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Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.
F'ing ell, that statement, by it's globally sweeping presumption, IS ageist.
how can it be ageist Mac, retirement age is 65, every company I have worked for enforces the rule and why ?
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Richard on your point on the takeover I totally agree with you, until we see the details of the bid we simply do not know what will happen.
I suspect it will be a cash deal, as if you have a club with no debt it is a good starting point, but you will obviously bring the Glaziers in.
Problem is Rich at some point now or even in the next year the club will be sold so we just have to hope they are good for us.
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Richard on your point on the takeover I totally agree with you, until we see the details of the bid we simply do not know what will happen.
I suspect it will be a cash deal, as if you have a club with no debt it is a good starting point, but you will obviously bring the Glaziers in.
Problem is Rich at some point now or even in the next year the club will be sold so we just have to hope they are good for us.
I agree the club will be sold, I hope it is financed properly. I hope we do well. I know I have no impact on that. Shame the FEAR does not realise that and shut up
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What I want to know is what's happened to that fund that the VFC keep banging on about.
What fund is it that you're banging on about VFC banging on about, Mac?
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So Doug's plan has been the same as Man Utd's and Arsenal's. Apart from the bit about the brilliant marketing. And the bit about appointing the right manager and sticking with them through thick and thin. And the bit about having a decent board of directors all pulling together to take the club forwards. Ah yes, exactly the same
Woohoo. Risso responds. See a chink eh?
Exactly apart from the "brilliant" marketing. Well done for reading that.
Appointing the right manager? Possibly. I think Atkinson was (though possibly went at the right time). Little was. O'Leary may well be.
Sticking through thick and thin? When was Arsenal's thin bit under Wenger?
Board of directors pulling in the same direction? That's precisely what we've had. Oh, what about Ansell? Left because of the appointment of Langham as opposed to promotion for Mark from what I heard, but maybe someone knows different. And Langham? Could be Doug being a tit, could be Langham being one. Do you know the answer?
As you will be aware (unless you aren't as smart as I give you credit for) my point was made in response to Ian stating we don't have a plan. Subsequently, he admitted we do. And as you'll equally be aware, it was exactly my point that it was the application of said plan which put us behind the likes of Man U and the Arse. Of course, if you look at Tottenham, Everton, Boro and Ian's pool of little clubs, we've done quite well. Like you though, I'd rather be Salford's finest than Spurs.
Now, about those other points you may have missed....
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And Langham? Could be Doug being a tit, could be Langham being one. Do you know the answer?
I'd love to know the answer to that one. All this 'professionalism' is a bit boring isn't it? Whatever happened to the slagging each other off in the press after quitting / being fired? It was much better IMHO, definitely more interesting.
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We do have a plan under Doug. It's the same as always. In basic terms, give all available cash to the manager to spend, but don't bank on a top four finish. It's a good plan which falls down (from the fans' point of view) on a perceived inability to self-generate enough cash....
At the risk of being picky, that's not a plan, and not the same as Arsenal's or Man U's
You might as well say our plan is "to do as well as we can"
It's not a plan, "a detailed proposal for doing or achieving something"
It rather lacks detail for a start. Or indeed a "something" which is to be the target.
And this is where it's hugely different, I suspect from Man U or Arsenal.
I suspect, again, that our "plan" (in your terms) has been based around a lot of "don'ts" and not many "do's"
Don't go into debt
Don't take any risks
Don't allow that ruddy manager to take control
Don't put up with any dissent
Don't look at attracting any investment (which would dilute the HDE position)
and so on
I just feel the whole outlook has mostly been over cautious and has concentrated on current account bank balance, making sure Herbert stays in control, making sure he has the deciding say on every facet of the way the club functions (perhaps with the exception of the playing side, where he went as far as he could without immediately causing the managers to leave)
I wonder if perhaps other clubs - especially the two examples you chose, don't perhaps delegate and divide responsibility more widely. Don't leave the relevant areas to have have freedom to be positive, to set their own targets and how they want to go about reaching them etc etc.
I felt that after a while Langham was starting to get some of this approach embedded in the club. Then he was gone. Resigned over a difference of opinion about the "direction the club should take"
To say Villa's plan is the same as Man U and Arsenal's is, apart from superficially, er, somewhat mistaken, I feel.
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(perhaps with the exception of the playing side, where he went as far as he could without immediately causing the managers to leave)
I think there have been times when the managers had to get his approval for selections.
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(perhaps with the exception of the playing side, where he went as far as he could without immediately causing the managers to leave)
I think there have been times when the managers had to get his approval for selections.
I think this needs further explanation...can you back this up?
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I'm pretty sure that Graham Turner (I know),complained of to much interference about team selection from Doug.Also wasn't this the initial reason why Big fat ron & doug fell out.I may be wrong here but it's something that's always been at the back of my mind.
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I'm pretty sure that Graham Turner (I know),complained of to much interference about team selection from Doug.Also wasn't this the initial reason why Big fat ron & doug fell out.I may be wrong here but it's something that's always been at the back of my mind.
My worry is that this was a rumour started by a section of supporters, which has now turned into gospel...similar to the 'Doug purchased Ginola' nonsense that JG has since put straight.
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It may well be as I'm not sure how or where I heard it,isn't something reletive to this mentioned in HDE's lieography & by a few managers in Dave Woodalls book.
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Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.
F'ing ell, that statement, by it's globally sweeping presumption, IS ageist.
how can it be ageist Mac, retirement age is 65, every company I have worked for enforces the rule and why ?
because you need to renew your staff at that age people get less involved, less interested and more boring.
I asked for examples and was brought one name I had not heard off but just like you wouldn't want a 20 year old running Villa you also wouldn't want a 81 year old (for obviously different reasnons before anyone becomes smart arse !!)
Don't Asda or someone employ lots of people past retirement age and haven't we got a bit of a pensions crisis going on? How old are some of those people in the house of Lords, which is quite an important role. The age thing is just a personal issue.
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It may well be as I'm not sure how or where I heard it,isn't something reletive to this mentioned in HDE's lieography & by a few managers in Dave Woodalls book.
I wish somebody had interfered in Graham Turner's team selections.
That aside, the general concensus of the managers I spoke to was that Doug's supposed interference was over-exaggerated. BFR, in particular, said they worked well together.
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Board of directors pulling in the same direction? That's precisely what we've had.
Well technically I suppose two full time executive directors constitutes a board, seeing as they're directors, and errr, they meet in the boardroom. By any reasonable sized company's criteria though, it's a good four members short.
Doug deciding what to do and Stride agreeing with him does not constitute a board pulling in the same direction.
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Would this post make the 12th page?
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Well I think we should sign Bakke and Milner.
Oh, sorry is this the wrong thread? :- :-#
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Yes Graham Turner at least had his selections "approved". But I suspect most of the managers over the years had "discussions" with Doug over team selection. I'm sure I read that somewhere, it may have been Doug himself. Can't remember now.
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I was at the AGM and managed to get a picture of the 4 VFC members walking out.
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Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.
F'ing ell, that statement, by it's globally sweeping presumption, IS ageist.
how can it be ageist Mac, retirement age is 65, every company I have worked for enforces the rule and why ?
because you need to renew your staff at that age people get less involved, less interested and more boring.
I asked for examples and was brought one name I had not heard off but just like you wouldn't want a 20 year old running Villa you also wouldn't want a 81 year old (for obviously different reasnons before anyone becomes smart arse !!)
Don't Asda or someone employ lots of people past retirement age and haven't we got a bit of a pensions crisis going on? How old are some of those people in the house of Lords, which is quite an important role. The age thing is just a personal issue.
That's a ridiculous statement. You can't equate an old person working in checkout at Asda, or someone sitting pretty in the House of Lords with Doug and his role at Villa.
It is not Doug's age that is the problem, but his business ideals and values. The advent of the Premiership (whether its been good for football or not) saw the global push of English clubs to the fore. Villa have failed shockingly at exploiting this and the blame should lie at the feet of teh Chairman because he runs Villa with an iron grip. He hasn't made conditions at Villa conducive for new innovative merchandising ideas - instead he appoints yes men. THis has led to us having a poor international image and little support, despite consistent finishes in the top half of the table.
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When John Gregory joined Derby he said he was now happy working for a board that let him manage without interference.
If anyone tells me that over the years Doug has resisted offering his footballing expertise to his managers on team matters then I will say they are deluded.
"For Doug Ellis, by Doug Ellis, on behalf of Doug Ellis".
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It is not Doug's age that is the problem,
Correct. His problem is that he is a self-serving egotistical arse.
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People saying that Doug doesn't interfere in team selection are like people who believe OJ Simpson didn't kill his wife. Sometimes you don't need irrefutible proof to know how someone works/thinks.
DOug's problem at the Villa has been that he simply can't see anyother way of doing things than his way. Its left us short of ideas in a business and commercial sense. Its not that he's deliberately holding us back, nor is he the evil old man some people make him out to be, he is however too stubborn and entrenched in his own mind-set to be a good chairman in the Premier League era of football.
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It is not Doug's age that is the problem,
Correct. His problem is that he is a self-serving egotistical arse.
Doug is a self-serving, self-promoting egotistical man. He does run Villa so that he can stay at the helm. He'd love us to be top of the league because it would reflect well on him. However, he doesn't want to take on board people or ideas that conflict with his own set in stone business beliefs - beliefs that don't really work well in the current corporate style of football.
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There is an issue with Doug's age. To put it bluntly a man of 81 is more likely to die suddenly than a man of 50 and there is no evidence of a proper succession plan being in place should this happen.
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The other problem with doug (and I know this is based around a horrible marketing driven idea of football but you'd be naive to think it isn't significant) is that he's terrible for our brand value. Which affects turnover and our ability to attract players. With him pulling all the strings, and insisting that he remaing in the spotlight all the time, our image has become synonymous with an ancient, ill, tightwad. If he was content to sit in the background and let dol be the figurehead (as is the case at most clubs) then I suspect we would have far fewer problems attracting big signings. As he's not capable of doing that, even in his current state, we need someone/s who will.
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If he was content to sit in the background and let dol be the figurehead
Chelsea excepted, I have little or no idea who the Chairman/CEO is of any other football team. But I know nearly everyone knows Doug is Chairman of Aston Villa.
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Not thinking to hard then?
Shepherd, Kenright, Glazer. These names not ring a bell?
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People saying that Doug doesn't interfere in team selection are like people who believe OJ Simpson didn't kill his wife. Sometimes you don't need irrefutible proof to know how someone works/thinks.
My irrefutable proof is interviews with each manager, all of whom said that Doug didn't interfere in team selection. What's yours?
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Not thinking to hard then?
Shepherd, Kenright, Glazer. These names not ring a bell?
Add in lowe and gold and take away the ones whose names we only know
because they took over in controversial circumstances or are billionaires and what links them? All wankers who have their own egotistical agenda for getting their name in the press. The best chairmen are the ones who put up the money and delegate the decision making to experts and because of this you rarely hear about them. If doug was a genuine football expert i wouldn't mind him poking around in the workings of the club. But he's not, which is painfully obvious to everyone but him.
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What manager is going to admit to being weak?
John Gregory said Doug interferred.
Do you honestly believe Doug resisted this temptation?
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I think this is one of those urban myths that grows and grows. Yeah, no doubt Doug wants to stick his oar in when it comes to buying and selling players more than he should. IMO. But no manager would allow any chairman to interfere in picking the team. Its how Doug has not allowed them to take Villa to the next level that irks them all. No manager in my recollection has been told that player A must play rather than player B.
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People saying that Doug doesn't interfere in team selection are like people who believe OJ Simpson didn't kill his wife. Sometimes you don't need irrefutible proof to know how someone works/thinks.
My irrefutable proof is interviews with each manager, all of whom said that Doug didn't interfere in team selection. What's yours?
Whatever the pros and many, many cons of Herbert's leadership, I flatly refuse to believe that he dictated team selection to previous managers.
That is just wild and uninformed speculation.
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Like Peter said, a myth that grows.
'Interferes with team selection' is an easy stick to beat Doug with, rather like 'never spends enough' and 'falls out with every manager'. There just isn't any evidence, though, apart from "It must be true because everyone says it is and I don't believe anyone who says any different."
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I flatly refuse to believe that he dictated team selection to previous managers.
You don't believe Doug expressed his opinion on selection? Especially when things were perhaps not going so well for the incumbent manager?
I can't believe that a man like Ellis would have resisted this opportunity to make his footballing expertise available.
I remember the incident about Doug and Big Fat Ron's program notes.
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Can't say I've ever given much thought to whether Doug interferes with team selection or not. I'm more concerned with the fact that under him we've stagnated for far too long, as he runs the club for his own self promotion.
For Doug Ellis, by Doug Ellis etc etc.
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Dou may well have 'expressed an opinion.' About a hundred people will do the same on here between now and Saturday. There's a difference between that and interfering.
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Dou may well have 'expressed an opinion.' About a hundred people will do the same on here between now and Saturday. There's a difference between that and interfering.
Not if you're he's your boss and you're perhaps under a bit of pressure.
This man has had a finger in every pie, he doesn't trust anyone except himself.
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And your evidence is?
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The programme notes.
http://astonvilla.blogfootball.com/drkeene/discuss/msgReader$164
Thanks Dr Keene.
Just in case anyone has forgotten what a complete tosser Doug is.
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And your evidence is?
The man himself!
37 years of him.
You kid yourself if you think he never interferred.
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Does that prove that Doug interefered, or does it prove that Doug wanted to show what a wise old sage he thinks he is?
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Hand on heart Dave, do you really believe he never interferred.
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Andy Gray mentions in his book that Doug used to piss Atkinson off by hovering around the training ground. Atkinson used to give him short shrift.
Gray however mentions that when the team was announced on a match day, he used to make sure that Doug received the team sheet first - he said little things like that pleased him and Gray was happy to keep him informed.
He never though suggested that Doug dabbled in team selection.
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It's enough evidence though that Doug's first and foremost reason for doing anything at Villa is to further his own self image. As soon an anyone shows him up to be the outdated numpty he is, they're out the door.
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He never though suggested that Doug dabbled in team selection.
I'm not suggesting that Doug wrote his own team sheet. I am suggesting that Doug would express an "opinion" about playing A instead of B and if you were Graham Turner or any other manager perhaps not enjoying a good run then you would take note of his "opinion".
Anyone who believes that Doug doesn't express "opnions" to his managers is dreaming.
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Not thinking to hard then?
Shepherd, Kenright, Glazer. These names not ring a bell?
Off the top of my head I can add:
Hill-Wood/Dein, Gold/Sullivan, Jordan, Delia Smith, Whelan, Geoffrey Robinson MP, Rupert Lowe, Madeski, Moores, Gibson, Levy…
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ATKINSON QUOTE When I accepted the job, he had turned to me and asked: "Do me a favour - don't ever take the mickey out of me in public."
I can't blame Herbert for that, I wouldn't get away with taking the piss out of my boss in front of everybody.
Let's be honest, this blind hatred of Ellis produces some ridiculous claims about him.
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Andy Gray mentions in his book that Doug used to piss Atkinson off by hoovering around the training ground.
Tight old git! You think he'd have paid cleaners to do it.
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As I said before, I'm sure that Doug might have a word with managers all the time, whether the team are doing well or not. I'm also sure that any decent manager would have taken not a blind bit of notice.
Doug's the chairman. There probably aren't many chairmen in any industry that don't feel they could do every job in their company better than anyone else, and can't occasionally resist the temptation to pass on a few words of wisdom.
Has he influenced the team selection? I don't think so.
Has he signed players the manager didn't want? No manager has ever said he has.
Has he denied managers reasonable access to funds? Not according to the ones I've asked.
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Let's be honest, this blind hatred of Ellis produces some ridiculous claims about him.
Such as? The team interference isn't a ridiculous claim and I can remember it being said back in the mid 80's.
Doug really believes he is a "sounding board for selections and tactics". The stronger managers were perhaps able to resist him. But I don't believe everyone did.
That's the way the man sees himself and wants everyone to see him.
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Good link LG. He just sounds like he's on another planet, and that was when he was relatively young and in touch with the game. I think dol has the right approch, flattering his ego while subtly dismissing him as a failing old man. In his canny way he's probably wrestling more control off doug than a lot of recent managers have had. Not ideal though is it?
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There probably aren't many chairmen in any industry that don't feel they could do every job in their company better than anyone else
They might think they can, the difference is most of them don't TRY to do every job.
Look at all the criticism he gets:
John Gregory's rant about Doug still thinking his outdated methods were cutting edge.
Ansell saying that he had to get's Doug's say so for ordering stationery
Langham leaving over "differences of opinion."
Countless players leaving citing lack of ambition.
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Dave that's your opinion.
My opinion that a man of with such an ego simply could not resist the temptation to give everyone the benefit of his wealth of knowledge and experience.
He certainly wanted people to think of him in that way and I'm sure he has tried it over the years and it would be a foolish manager to ignore him if your job is on the line. And we've had a few of those.
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Gregory - Yes, a real managerial genius, that one. How's he doing at Plymouth?
Ansell - Wasn't he the Antichrist a couple of years ago? What changed?
Langham - Nobody know why he left.
Players - another semi-myth. How many of our players from the post-Little era left for better or more ambitious clubs, and how many were pushed out/not wanted by the manager/thought they were better than they were? I'd say Yorke, Bosnich and possibly Southgate, although the latter fell out with Gregory as well. It's not the long list many would have you believe.
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Dave that's your opinion.
It isn't just my opinion. It's backed up by facts.
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You're saying its a fact that Doug never interferred in team selection and tactics?
Never?
Where do I find that fact?
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I would give JG more credit than he seems to get.
He didnt play the sexiest of football but he did get us into Europe against the odds and we were top of the league for over three months before getting an FA Cup final spot.
I liked JG.
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VFC are stuck in a timewarp
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I liked JG.
The most friendly ex Villa man I've ever met.
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VFC are stuck in a timewarp
And that's what this discussion is all about.
Two sides, one who rightly dispise Ellis and the other who a few years ago in an ego battle with "Ellis Out" "VFC" or its supporters suggested that Ellis is not all that bad, now feel oblidged to defend that position even if they feel not entirely comfortable doing it.
Ellis is an interferer, regardless of interviews with some ex-managers who may may not have wanted to paint themselves in the best light, he can't help himself. End of story.
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I liked JG.
The man who said Ellis interferred.
But there we go.
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. End of story.
surely not? it's only 20 pages long at the moment
and it's only taken me half a morning to read through.
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No its on 14.
I predicted 21.
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Sorry 15.
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We seem to be getting off the point here. The public persona of Doug Ellis is that of a man difficult to like. He appears vain, egotistical and patronising in the extreme. However that isn't the real issue, it's how he performs the roles of Chairman and Chief Executive that is important.
On the plus side he has built a stable and solvent club. That in itself doesn't sound like a lot, but for those of us of a certain age it is a huge improvement on what went before. However he has also shown that he cannot do what is needed to take the next step. That might not be entirely his fault but after 20 odd years in charge the buck stops with him.
If those who actively seek his removal were to stick to the issues (and brush up on their timing) they might find that they receive less hostility.
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I reckon Chris has summed it up quite nicely.
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my wonder is how we'll judge villa since the start of the premiership in ten years time.i hope we won't all have rose tinted specs and the benefit of hindsight,in the words of sam cooke,a change is gonna come,crystal balls anyone?
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Ansell saying that he had to get's Doug's say so for ordering stationery
Ansell said lots of things over the years.
Most of the time he was utterly contemptuous of the club’s supporters and absolutely craven in his devotion to Doug.
Now that Ansell is apparently the fount of all knowledge, are we to assume VFC is in agreement with the former deputy-chief executive’s well documented hagiographic view of Doug?
Anyway, let’s get this thread back on topic, which is not Ellis but VFC’s attempt to once again ruin even the semblance of a Villa feel-good factor.
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According to the experts now speaking about Doug, Ansell was really running Villa at one point and Doug was taking a backseat. I bow to their superior knowledge about all things Doug.
The feel good factor lasts until the Wigan result, it might contine after, it might not.
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I thought the VFC were taking the credit for getting Ansell the sack because of the major (sic) criticisms of him in their Hodgson report?
Are they now best buddies?
This is why I find the VFC hard to take seriously. They flip-flop their position on everything when it suits them.
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According to the experts now speaking about Doug, Ansell was really running Villa at one point and Doug was taking a backseat. I bow to their superior knowledge about all things Doug.
The feel good factor lasts until the Wigan result, it might contine after, it might not.
According to many sources Ansell was doing most of the driving but apparently got a bit too big for his boots and forgot who owned the car.
Of course, any sort of feel good factor does not suit VFC’s agenda and no doubt Fear and his supporter(s) will be cheering Wigan on with gusto on Saturday afternoon.
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The feel-good factor has nothing to do with VFC. If Villa lose to Wigan the knives will be out again. That's what happens.
Ansell was driving? Not a chance.
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On the plus side he has built a stable and solvent club.
That BASTARD!
He's built a stable and then the horses from said stable go to the Solvent club. Thus becoming Bostik!
Dastardly evil genius is Count Dougula.
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I thought the VFC were taking the credit for getting Ansell the sack because of the major (sic) criticisms of him in their Hodgson report?
Are they now best buddies?
This is why I find the VFC hard to take seriously. They flip-flop their position on everything when it suits them.
Where have VFC said they're best buddies with Ansell Mac? And as for for flip flopping position, how about looking a bit closer to home?
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Two sides, one who rightly dispise Ellis and the other who a few years ago in an ego battle with "Ellis Out" "VFC" or its supporters suggested that Ellis is not all that bad, now feel oblidged to defend that position even if they feel not entirely comfortable doing it.
Ellis is an interferer, regardless of interviews with some ex-managers who may may not have wanted to paint themselves in the best light, he can't help himself. End of story.
I haven't had an 'ego battle' with anyone.
And I've been given two sides of the story of (say) Ron Atkinson's time at Villa Park. I chose his. Should I have chosen yours?
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And I've been given two sides of the story of (say) Ron Atkinson's time at Villa Park. I chose his. Should I have chosen yours?
His version posted on that blog seems to contradict what he told you Dave.
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The feel-good factor has nothing to do with VFC.
Well done. You’ve managed to grasp a simple point for once although most likely by accident.
As you rightly suggest, VFC is all about creating a feel-bad factor.
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looking on from 13,000 kilometres away may I observe that the said Mr Fear has a striking similarity to Douglas in that they both seem filled with their own self importance and any infuence they may have at present will disipate in the advent of new owners. I am supportive of anyone using their best endevours to unseat deadly but i'm afraid he lost me with his dummy spit at the A.G.M. As for deadly interfering with team selection i can only say that as a company owner as long as i am seeing progress i keep well out but if business starts to go backwards and its my money we're talking about keeping out is not an option.
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I thought the VFC were taking the credit for getting Ansell the sack because of the major (sic) criticisms of him in their Hodgson report?
Are they now best buddies?
This is why I find the VFC hard to take seriously. They flip-flop their position on everything when it suits them.
Where have VFC said they're best buddies with Ansell Mac?
VFC hasn’t said it but isn’t it about time it came clean on the issue?
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its my money we're talking about keeping out is not an option.
It's not Doug's money we're talking about though.
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His version posted on that blog seems to contradict what he told you Dave.
How? His anecdote relates to Doug asking him to paint Doug in a better light, which is typical Doug. Nowhere does he say that Ellis influenced his team selections, and to my knowledge, no other manager ever has, either.
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VFC hasn’t said it but isn’t it about time it came clean on the issue?
I don't know what you're referring to, sorry.
Ansell may have been a dick, and nobody on here had a good word to say about him, but the fact is he was being paid well to do a job. The point is if Doug felt the need to stand over his shoulder, either Ansell wasn't the right bloke for the job and should therefore have been replaced, or Doug just can't let qualified people do their jobs. I've seen enough evidence of the latter to think that this is the case.
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Where have VFC said they're best buddies with Ansell Mac? And as for for flip flopping position, how about looking a bit closer to home?
I can't speak for anyone else, but my position on Doug's position hasn't changed one iota since about 1985. I'd like him to go, never to darken our door again, except when he watches the match. Where I have changed, is that I no longer believe him to be the devil personified.
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VFC hasn’t said it but isn’t it about time it came clean on the issue?
I don't know what you're referring to, sorry.
Are you an official of the organisation known as VFC?
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flip-flop their position on everything
A frequent complaint from my wife.
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Are you an official of the organisation known as VFC?
No
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I don't blame you, I wouldn't want to admit it either.
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Are you an official of the organisation known as VFC?
No
Then surely the obvious thing is to take up the point with somebody who is.
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Sorry for the delay. I missed a turning on page 13 and ended up spying on some inside info regarding team selection. Master stroke by the boy Ellis, playing Fenton in the final.
Pete. Rather than trawl through your response, I'll just agree. Doug has also agreed to pick my lottery numbers as, from what you say, he has to be the luckiest bstard alive.
Risso, stunning work with the two executive directors bit. Of course, our non-execs are a bit more hands on aren't they?
Woodhall. Doug picks the team - someone said so twice in the 80s, four times in the 90s and once last year. I don't care how much proof exists to the contrary, it must be true.
So, is Ansell good or bad today?
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So, is Ansell good or bad today?
Is Ansell a bitterman?
BOOM FUCKING BOOM!
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So, is Ansell good or bad today?
Is Ansell a bitterman?
BOOM FUCKING BOOM!
It does seem increasingly difficult to find a pub which sells Ansells Bitter or Mild in the Birmingham area.
Its all bloody creamflow these days.
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I could kill a pint of Ansells bitter right now.
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His version posted on that blog seems to contradict what he told you Dave.
How? His anecdote relates to Doug asking him to paint Doug in a better light, which is typical Doug. Nowhere does he say that Ellis influenced his team selections, and to my knowledge, no other manager ever has, either.
In Andy Gray's autobiography, Gray states while working as assistant to BFR, that BFR hated Ellis. Gray advised BFR not to take such a bold stand against Ellis as he in the end he could never win, but BFR could not stand the man and made it obvious to all. The rest is history.
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Nowhere does he say that Ellis influenced his team selections, and to my knowledge, no other manager ever has, either.
What do you think though Dave? Do you honestly believe he never did?
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Nowhere does he say that Ellis influenced his team selections, and to my knowledge, no other manager ever has, either.
What do you think though Dave? Do you honestly believe he never did?
Yes I do. He may have tried to, but I don't think that any of his managers would ever have stood for such interference.
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Yes I do. He may have tried to, but I don't think that any of his managers would ever have stood for such interference.
I disagree. Graham Turner and Billy McNeil being prime candidates.
I think Graham Taylor and BFR would have easily resisted, they were a match for him.
The others? If the pressure was big enough, I think so.
It takes a strong man to resist when your boss says "I think this is a good idea".
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Are you an official of the organisation known as VFC?
No
Then surely the obvious thing is to take up the point with somebody who is.
I suppose it is. Go for it then.
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I don't blame you, I wouldn't want to admit it either.
That'll be because you're not one either I assume.
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Laughing Gravity wrote
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Yes I do. He may have tried to, but I don't think that any of his managers would ever have stood for such interference.
I disagree. Graham Turner and Billy McNeil being prime candidates.
I think Graham Taylor and BFR would have easily resisted, they were a match for him.
The others? If the pressure was big enough, I think so.
It takes a strong man to resist when your boss says "I think this is a good idea".
So can you give us any examples of which players may have been picked ahead of others or at the expense of others, to back up these claims?
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Are you an official of the organisation known as VFC?
No
Then surely the obvious thing is to take up the point with somebody who is.
I suppose it is. Go for it then.
What with VFC's record on answering questions?
Perhaps they'll tell somebody who spends all his free time banging on about how wonderful they are.
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Maybe your new identity will lull them into a false sense of security.
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Good idea. Change the subject and maybe you can avoid the difficult Ansell related questions.
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So can you give us any examples of which players may have been picked ahead of others or at the expense of others, to back up these claims?
You want me to search through my secret Doug phone tap recordings? It might take a while.
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Good idea. Change the subject and maybe you can avoid the difficult Ansell related questions.
Are there any? The man was a bit of a dick, but if he was being paid to do a job, he should have been able to get on with it without interference from Doug. If he wasn't, he should have been sacked and replaced.
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If he wasn't, he should have been sacked and replaced.
He was sacked and replaced. He then became a favourite of some. (See also Taylor, Graham - 'From Lying, Cowardly Tosser to Visionary in One Easy Move'.)
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Good idea. Change the subject and maybe you can avoid the difficult Ansell related questions.
Are there any? The man was a bit of a dick, but if he was being paid to do a job, he should have been able to get on with it without interference from Doug. If he wasn't, he should have been sacked and replaced.
Yes.
They surely relate to any contact between VFC and Ansell following his resignation from the board.
Are you not in the VFC loop, Risso? Don’t they trust you with such information?
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Are you not in the VFC loop, Risso? Don’t they trust you with such information?
I've never claimed to be.
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So can you give us any examples of which players may have been picked ahead of others or at the expense of others, to back up these claims?
Fat Dave - at the expense of anyone.
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Maybe your new identity will lull them into a false sense of security.
Top sarcasm BTW =D>
Among the many Ansell questions is the very simple what is the current view of him? He was Satan himself. Then got a good press from Hodgson. Then was tipped to be Doug's Brutus at the AGM. I'd like to know what the various fan groups think of him. I'd like to know it from them rather than conjecture.
One question for you though Risso. I'm sure you've answered this before, but do you have anything to do with VFC? May help for next time people read your comments as if they were a VFC statement.
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Are you not in the VFC loop, Risso? Don’t they trust you with such information?
I've never claimed to be.
Everyone will surely agree it’s quite scandalous that they treat you in such a way after all the nonsense you’ve written on VFC’s behalf.
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Laughing Gravity wrote
So can you give us any examples of which players may have been picked ahead of others or at the expense of others, to back up these claims?
You want me to search through my secret Doug phone tap recordings? It might take a while.
I don't mind how you do it! You claim Ellis interfered in team affairs i merely asked for proof, hard fact, names, call it what you will, untill then it is all just supposition
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One question for you though Risso. I'm sure you've answered this before, but do you have anything to do with VFC? May help for next time people read your comments as if they were a VFC statement.
Well I'm friends with Pete and through him Jon, and meet up for a pre match beer on the odd occasion I get to Villa Park for a game. I agree with their aims and most of what they say in press releases and interviews.
But I think you probably knew all that. I've never claimed to be "in the loop" or whatever people want to call it. I just like a good debate, and happen to fall on the VFC side of the fence.
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If he wasn't, he should have been sacked and replaced.
He was sacked and replaced. He then became a favourite of some. (See also Taylor, Graham - 'From Lying, Cowardly Tosser to Visionary in One Easy Move'.)
Ansell was a prick, nobody is saying otherwise. However when he got fired he became a resentful prick and was willing to shed some light on the inner workings of the board. Sure, what he said had to be taken with a pinch of salt but its still useful - even you must agree.
I don't think VFC (from anything i've read on here or VT in the last 5 years) ever said he was a good bloke though, but maybe you could show me where - or perhaps you're using common conjecture to reinforce your point.
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I could kill a pint of Ansells bitter right now.
Why, what's it ever done to you? Groan.
Just had a pint of WUFFA. From a birmingham brewery. Very nice it was too.
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I just like a good debate, and happen to fall on the VFC side of the fence.
Thank the Lord. I'd be bored shitless on here otherwise.
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Gav you are spot on there mate.
HGowever I wonder what people will have to say when the VFC disbands in a few months, the number of postings will go down !!
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What's your view on Ansell Ian?
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From meeting him and various conversations he was a Villa fan and did have a passion for the club.
He also was someone who considring his position could not help actually giving me some help but we had very heated conversations through e-mail and phone and he would not be moved.
In the end the club was better for having Ansell trying to moderate Ellis but he wanted the top chair and that ambition in the end got him relieved/sacked of his position.
I think I would have enjoyed a few beers and discussions with him but I would not want him involved again, I do not wannt a Villa fan as the next owner.
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I do not wannt a Villa fan as the next owner.
Hence the support for Ranson.
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what the fuck are you on about ??
You will not find one statement from me supporting the Ranson bid, however I would have liked to see his plans and see what he was going to do.
But at £48m the price was too low and Ellis was right to reject it on the price.
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mark fletcher wrote:
Simon Page wrote:
So, is Ansell good or bad today?
Is Ansell a bitterman?
BOOM FUCKING BOOM!
It does seem increasingly difficult to find a pub which sells Ansells Bitter or Mild in the Birmingham area.
Its all bloody creamflow these days.
As a Debt Collector for Carlsberg UK, I can exclusively reveal the following 3 pubs as still being stockists of Ansells
Lad In Lane Erdington (recently polled highly on the worst pubs thread)
Prince Of Wales Moseley
Billesley, well Billesley.
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I don't think VFC (from anything i've read on here or VT in the last 5 years) ever said he was a good bloke though, but maybe you could show me where - or perhaps you're using common conjecture to reinforce your point.
I'll go even further and say they haven't. Not sure I've read them being accused of it either.
I think they may have referred to him in a couple of press releases (but could be wrong). I know Hodgson spoke about him at some length in his reports (mostly painting him in a good light, some bad).
The most interesting thing was the rumour that he and Abdul were to ride into the AGM on white chargers, wiping away the dark lord Ellis. This, as always, led to a reconstitution of Ansell among some internet posters all over Nerddom. However, as neither Jon Fear nor Naz were among these, VFC cannot be said to be among the revisionists.
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From meeting him and various conversations he was a Villa fan and did have a passion for the club.
He also was someone who considring his position could not help actually giving me some help but we had very heated conversations through e-mail and phone and he would not be moved.
In the end the club was better for having Ansell trying to moderate Ellis but he wanted the top chair and that ambition in the end got him relieved/sacked of his position.
I think I would have enjoyed a few beers and discussions with him but I would not want him involved again, I do not wannt a Villa fan as the next owner.
Are you Ian Robathan, or someone who just shares a similar name? Because the Ian Robathan I know and laugh at hated Ansell with a passion and the feeling was mutual.
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I have a question.
Is VFC a democratic open membership organisation and if so how many registered members does it have?
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I have a question.
Is VFC a democratic open membership organisation and if so how many registered members does it have?
No. One.
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No and two.
So come clean Ian. What caused the Stalinist rewrite?
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No and four is my guess, but any of them are willing to come on here and put the record straight.
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Right. Who wants an Ice Cream?
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No thanks. I am fantacising about beer at the moment.
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Right. Who wants an Ice Cream?
Have you got rum and ranson?
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Four? Was there a recruitment drive? I've got Jon Fear and Naz. Who else.
Just a plain vanilla cornet for me ta. No sprinkles.
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Right. Who wants an Ice Cream?
Strawberry Mivvi please.
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Ive got crushed nuts.
No wait, its Spina Biffida.
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I'll have an Aston Vanilla.
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What about a Steve Bruce Funny face?
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Four? Was there a recruitment drive? I've got Jon Fear and Naz. Who else.
Just a plain vanilla cornet for me ta. No sprinkles.
That bloke of C5 who looks like Timmy Mallet, Carl Chinn, Pete Bland, Dennis ? who used to post on here, that other bloke whose name escapes me me who used to post on here when he was drunk and kept falling out with Mac?
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Timmy Mallett is either a sleeping partner (fnarr) or no longer there. Carl Chinn no longer apparently. Work commitments I believe. Pete Bland always said he wasn't (although he can deny/confirm this of course) and Dennis Box arrives late and leaves early with them but hasn't ever claimed to be of them as far as I'm aware.
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Ive got crushed nuts.
No wait, its Spina Biffida.
Keyboard, meet tea. Tea, keyboard.
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Fear, Nazir, I thought Pete Bland was a member (he's certainly made reference to being 'in the loop', as I believe the terminology goes) but maybe he can confirm that. Mike Field said he was a member once, but he seems to have vanished. Whoever runs Villatalk now.
The 'millionaires and pop stars' ( (c) Martin) have certainly distanced themselves lately.
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I thought Pete definitely wasn't. (Where is he when you need him?) Don't know Mike Field - completely new name to me. John Cresswell was in the AGM walkout I believe, but I didn't know he was of. Certainly not the impression I've got reading VFC threads on their site.
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It's a shame they've never said who they are. What with them being so insistent that questions should be answered.
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Mike Field said he was a member once,
That's who I meant by the drunk who argues with Mac.
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Oh, so not many of them then.
I just got told on the mailing list that there were 600-700 at the meetings in the Leisure Centre, what happened?
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Pat Murphy weekly column today- thinks Doug could be selling aswell.
From icBrum
nappreciated Ellis finally contemplating the final whistle
So is the Doug Ellis reign at Villa Park now on its last knockings after his revelation at a fascinating shareholders' annual meeting that he was seriously considering a takeover bid?
I think the signs are more favourable than in the past.
Seasoned Ellis watchers, and cynics - and the two are often convertible terms - believe that his announcement about a serious interest in the club was a typical stroke he's pulled in the past.
Veterans of the Villa Park power struggles will point to the occasions when the chairman has hinted that he might step aside - in the club's interests, blah, blah, blah - but then the matter is quietly shelved.
This time, I'm not so sure. Apparently the lawyers were climbing all over Ellis' statement before he stood up to face the shareholders, to ensure he said as little as possible without incurring the wrath of the Stock Exchange. And for the first time in my memory he wouldn't speak, either on or off the record, afterwards.
For those who know Doug Ellis' readiness to talk to the media, that was an eye-opener.
Some comments from the floor were courteous while others went straight to the point, with one fan saying: 'What happens to the club if you suddenly keel over?'
Underlying the whole session, though, was the awareness that time is running out for the Doug Ellis regime as he approaches his 82nd birthday.
He was at pains to stress that he'd been back in his office for the past three weeks and that he'd been told at first hand that a heart by-pass can lead to a new lease of life. But Doug is a realist.
When the meeting finished after 90 minutes he looked and sounded tired. Understandably so.
Even his implacable critics ought to recognise his courtesy in dealing with the varied degrees of vituperation and I could only discern one pro-Ellis monologue that might have been planted.
His detractors had the chance to vent their spleen. It's a pity many of them weren't more succinct. Why do so many babble when a microphone is in their hand? They just play into the hands of a wily platform performer like Doug Ellis.
He says he's 'interested' in the proposal from an unnamed quarter and this time I believe him. Ellis felt Ray Ranson's bid of £47 million last summer undervalued the club and with surrounding land valued at around £20m, it would take something like £60m to make him sell up.
I understand that those interested are Villa fans and judging by the chairman's comments on Friday, that will be highly relevant.
It may just be a platitude for him to say that the key is the sort of people who'd take the club forward - rather than the money on offer - but such a scenario would allow Ellis to step down with honour and remain a welcome presence on match days.
He would love still to sit in the directors' box. We shall see. Possibly within a month.
If so, David O'Leary and his successors in the manager's office could regret his passing. It was always handy to point the finger at the chairman's foibles when the team fell short, season after season.
'Don't blame me, blame Deadly Doug' loses impact when it's trotted out for so long.
The annual meeting yielded some interesting nuggets, not least of all how much it costs to sign footballers these days.
We were told that the total cost of buying six players in the close season was £14.963m but when you add their salaries for the first season, it shoots up to £21.888m.
Villa managed to bring in £5.23m for the sale of Darius Vassell and Nobby Solano - including salaries for the forthcoming season - so that left a commitment of £16.658m towards new players.
Add the loan deals bringing in Erik Bakke and James Milner before the end of August and that's a solid investment by the club.
That's a salutary corrective if you hear David O'Leary complaining again about a lack of depth in his squad. Villa's stake in new players was double that of West Bromwich Albion and Birmingham City - and even Arsenal.
With a new training ground, costing £8m, due to be ready for the start of next season, it's simply unfair of the anti-Ellis brigade to bang on about the chairman's parsimony.
O'Leary may be interested to know that his chairman has committed him to appear on a few supporters' forums this season.
A justified criticism from the floor that the fans rarely see O'Leary address the supporters clearly stung the chairman who replied magisterially: "I'll ask David to go to the next fans' forum".
Quite right, too. Villa's poor communications skills as a club need to be addressed. In contrast to O'Leary, Steve Bruce attends around ten Blues supporters' forums a season. He's done three already this campaign.
Another point may scotch a rumour that's gathered momentum down the years. Robbie Keane was not lost to Villa for the sake of just £500,000. Ellis said he had done the deal with Wolves to sign the Irish striker for £5.5m, but the player chose instead to go to Coventry City in 1999.
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He also was someone who considring his position could not help actually giving me some help but we had very heated conversations through e-mail and phone and he would not be moved.
Was this following when you called him a tosser in an email and accidentally copied him in?
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Oh, so not many of them then.
I just got told on the mailing list that there were 600-700 at the meetings in the Leisure Centre, what happened?
If I can compare them to a cornershop (in this case I think I can), their customers got tired of seeing the same old produce repackaged and displayed as "fresh". Their other problem was they only opened from 3am until 7am, which was little use to their customers but did make the press.
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I just got told on the mailing list that there were 600-700 at the meetings in the Leisure Centre, what happened?
They were attendees, not members.
As was pointed out numerous times, they aren't a membership organisation. It is (possibly) this which leads to the irritation over Fear being labelled as a fans spokesman and VFC being an umbrella organisation. It's decisions seem to be made by one or two people, although I presume the SA agree owing to the similarity in spokespeople.
In all seriousness, I can't believe anyone can have the front to accuse Doug of spin, bluster, having no mandate (save his own shares) and not listening to people, while being in their own closed shop. It's not that I necessarily disagree with the message, I just bulk at the hypocrisy.
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Oh, so not many of them then.
I just got told on the mailing list that there were 600-700 at the meetings in the Leisure Centre, what happened?
Who really takes any notice of VFC? A mailing list on which about a dozen people post supports them, they're backed by one comparatively small website and we (another site that isn't very big in the greater scheme of things) tend to debate them when we're bored. Elsewhere, they're largely ignored.
For a group established in a blaze of publicity over two years ago, and which claims to have "forged good relations with the media, corporate advisers, lawyers and financiers, many from large City firms, as well as achieving a great deal of support from AVFC's major customer base, the supporters" (Press Release 27/7/03) they haven't really made much subsequent impact.
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I just got told on the mailing list that there were 600-700 at the meetings in the Leisure Centre, what happened?
There weren't that many. 700 would have been full capacity. And there were plenty of empty seats.
I said at the time 400-500.
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There was the undetaker and someone from the meejia called Jonny who's almost certainly sorry and gone on home.
I'm off to bulk at the publicity a bloke from Headless Cross has managed to stir up for himself on here.
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Who really takes any notice of VFC?
Priceless.
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Come on one more page and we can finish the thread.
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You got in before me but it seems 20 pages on this threqad proves quite a lot do !!!
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21.
Can a moderator lock this thread now to prove my powers of seeing the future.
Ta.
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You got in before me but it seems 20 pages on this threqad proves quite a lot do !!!
No Ian, we on H&V are not a lot of people as a percentage of the Villa fanbase, go out and ask your average Villa shirted bloke on the street about VFC and chances are he either won't have a clue what your on about or he'll mention something about some bloke called Fear and a red card protest.
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I think dave you have missed the irony of it.
reckon this will reach 50 pages when Jon annouces he is brushing his teeth tonight !!!
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I think dave you have missed the irony of it.
reckon this will reach 50 pages when Jon annouces he is brushing his teeth tonight !!!
Is it his birthday?
Let's get this thread up to 100+ pages.
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He also was someone who considring his position could not help actually giving me some help but we had very heated conversations through e-mail and phone and he would not be moved.
Was this following when you called him a tosser in an email and accidentally copied him in?
Worth repeating.
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..reckon this will reach 50 pages when Jon annouces he is brushing his teeth tonight !!!
Why, is there a press release?
Seriously, it was a great idea, shame it never worked. There was no harm in educating the press about the popularity of Doug Ellis at Villa Park, not to mention his shortcomings as a Chairman. Anybody that makes the effort to make a stand on something they truely believe in deserves a bit of respect in my book, no matter how poorly that stand is executed.
One thing that we all must face if we are taken over, is the opportunity to face the future together, not only as fans but as a club, with everybody pulling in the same direction. If that can be achieved, we finally will have a club to be proud of. I really hope it happens, though I won't be holding my breath.
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..reckon this will reach 50 pages when Jon annouces he is brushing his teeth tonight !!!
Why, is there a press release?
Seriously, it was a great idea, shame it never worked. There was no harm in educating the press about the popularity of Doug Ellis at Villa Park, not to mention his shortcomings as a Chairman. Anybody that makes the effort to make a stand on something they truely believe in deserves a bit of respect in my book, no matter how poorly that stand is executed.
One thing that we all must face if we are taken over, is the opportunity to face the future together, not only as fans but as a club, with everybody pulling in the same direction. If that can be achieved, we finally will have a club to be proud of. I really hope it happens, though I won't be holding my breath.
I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I'd like to hold it in my arms
And keep it company
I'd like to see the world for once
All standing hand in hand
And hear them echo through the hills
Ah, peace throughout the land
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He also was someone who considring his position could not help actually giving me some help but we had very heated conversations through e-mail and phone and he would not be moved.
Was this following when you called him a tosser in an email and accidentally copied him in?
Worth repeating.
Oh stu and then I chatted with Ansell afterwards and explained it all and within a week I spoke to him again.
Big deal, why is the past history so interesting to you, it feels like i gained my groupie again just like in the good ole' days.
(awaits with excitment the next funny remark so I can split my sides)
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Somebody get some coke for Chris Smith.
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...it feels like i gained my groupie again just like in the good ole' days.
In your dreams Tehman.
It wasn’t me that spent hours researching into your background although from what I’ve heard they could base a sequel to the Loneliness of a Long Distance Runner on it.
Anyone who remembers your previous persona on this site is aware that your obsession with Disco Stu knows no bounds.
Teh, teh, teh Chris Waddle.
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Oi! Delia, you calling my pint a hippy?
Seriously Chris, there is a big opportunity to get this club back where it belongs. Read the first paragraph of the Andy Lockhead interview in Woodhall's book. You should know, you were there too.
The only problem I see, is Villa fans expecting to receive everything on a plate, instead of joining in and having a voice. VFC - Villa Fans Complaining.....ring any bells?
White riot!
I wanna riot!
White riot, I'll riot on my own!
Oh hang on....... :-k
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not that funny, I'm disappointed Stu.
your standards have slipped over the years.
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told you it would be funny
Hardly a case of unrivalled prescience is it?
Edit: (Oh dear he's changed his mind, well you would, wouldn't you if you had a mind like that?)
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I thought Pete definitely wasn't. (Where is he when you need him?) Don't know Mike Field - completely new name to me. John Cresswell was in the AGM walkout I believe, but I didn't know he was of. Certainly not the impression I've got reading VFC threads on their site.
Then you believe wrongly.
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I don't disagree, Mark.
A period of everyone pulling in the same direction would make a welcome change.
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So thanks to Gary Shaw, we now know John Cresswell is no part thereof. We are back to two people. Unless Gary Shaw makes three.
So Ian, what prompted the Stalinist rewrite?
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...it feels like i gained my groupie again just like in the good ole' days.
In your dreams Tehman.
Genius!
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So thanks to Gary Shaw, we now know John Cresswell is no part thereof. We are back to two people. Unless Gary Shaw makes three.
Right, let's get this sorted out once and for all. VFC speak on behalf of all Villa supporters so i reckon there are tens of thousands of members. Surely the best way of establishing who the members are is for those of us who have nothing to do with VFC and quite frankly wish they would shut the fuck up to come clean.
My name is Chris Jameson and i am NOT a member of VFC.
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My name's Dave Cooper and quite frankly I don't think VFC would want me!
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I hereby declare that I Ian 'Warren Aspinall' O'Shea is a pro anti-VFC member.
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I'd never thought of it before but for VFC, a non-membership closed secret group, to call themselves Villa Fans Combined a crouping of websites and fans groups, which in effect was Jon Fear, Naz, the bloke that hosted Jon Fear's web column, and Pete Bosworth. It's all very funny.
Remember that next time Villa Fans' Chief speaks for YOU!
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Is that you oficially denying membership of VFC then Mac?
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Mark Kelly wrote...
Anybody that makes the effort to make a stand on something they truely believe in deserves a bit of respect in my book, no matter how poorly that stand is executed.
Get in!
So bollocks to all the Jon Fear haters.
Never met him, I might not like him, but at least he did something.
Why don't you all form your own group.
No?
UFO
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Mark Kelly wrote...
Anybody that makes the effort to make a stand on something they truely believe in deserves a bit of respect in my book, no matter how poorly that stand is executed.
Get in!
So bollocks to all the Jon Fear haters.
Never met him, I might not like him, but at least he did something.
Why don't you all form your own group.
No?
UFO
You're making an assumption that nobody on here has ever done anything then?
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You're making an assumption that nobody on here has ever done anything then?
No, I know they have.
So has Jon.
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Right, let's get this sorted out once and for all. VFC speak on behalf of all Villa supporters
No!
Lets get this sorted!
VFC speak for who they speak for.
If you don't like it join a group that speak for you.
Oh...
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You have no idea how bitterly disappointed I am that we are on page 22.
I thought I had the power.
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Laughing Gravity - There is a group that others are in, it is called the Aston Villa Supporters' Trust.
Check it out.
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Laughing Gravity - There is a group that others are in, it is called the Aston Villa Supporters' Trust
I know, splendid, join it, make a noise.
Or form another group and make another noise.
Whatever.
Don't knock people for wearing their heart on a sleeve.
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I'm knocking it LG I'm just pointing out that there are some who do belong to groups who speak on their behalf (such as the Trust). It wasn't meant to be offensive to you.
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I'm in a group called 'Aston Villa Supporters'. What's great about our group is that we all have varied opinions on different matters, whilst many agree in the main and others don't. It's great.
Fairly regularly we meet at Villa Park, and occasionally at other venues around the UK (we even used to meet abroad). These meetings are very casual but everybody gets to voice their opinion.
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So thanks to Gary Shaw, we now know John Cresswell is no part thereof. We are back to two people. Unless Gary Shaw makes three.
So Ian, what prompted the Stalinist rewrite?
I think John Cresswell has consistently said he's not part of VFC but his website takes a pro VFC stance, generally, but VFC get stick over there too.
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Whatever.
Don't knock people for wearing their heart on a sleeve.
I don't knock people for wearing their heart on a sleeve, their sleeve or any sleeve.
I knock people when they get upset because I don't want to wear their heart on my sleeve.
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RussellC - Theres no denying that we all have at some time, or do belong to that group, although for some of us getting to Villa Park is extremely time consuming and expensive.
You're right though, it is great and I wouldn't want it any other way. =D>
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Who really takes any notice of VFC?
Priceless.
Why? A dozen or so on here. Let's say the same number onVillatalk. Half a dozen on the mailing list. Thirty or so in total, out of thirty-odd thousand who go down the match. It's an irrelevant number, and that's what VFC, in reality, are.
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Don't know fear, don't know bosworth or any of the other VFC people. I've no problem with villa fans doing things out of love for my football team. However, I have a problem with them sending out the same statement time and time again,they start to get predictable and boring. Walking out in a pique of rage at an AGM or abusing Ellis for the sake of it does them no favours either. They do not look like the professinal outfit they seemed when they first appeared. They look at best amateurish. If some people support them, fine, I and many others do not. Again, like many others I want Doug out, but VFC come across as just attention seeking egotistical lightweights with no direction. Exactly the same criticism they throw at Ellis. I would perfer it if they put out a statement that they do not speak for all Villa fans, but if they did they would lose any press coverage. If they lost that they would lose their raison d'etre. Therefore, how can they be nothing more than attention seekers. They embarrass and irritate me more than I cannot stand Ellis at the moment.
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........ but VFC get stick over there too.
And is very moderated also, but then that's their choice.
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VFC are irrelevant. They/He are a very small voice in an enormous choir of fans. They have a right to exist as I have the right to laugh at them.
When Doug finally goes they can slap themselves/his self on the back as having no part in his leaving and get on with supporting the team or perhaps start a protest group advisory service. The one thing they should stop doing is claiming to be my voice.
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Whatever.
Don't knock people for wearing their heart on a sleeve.
I don't knock people for wearing their heart on a sleeve, their sleeve or any sleeve.
I knock people when they get upset because I don't want to wear their heart on my sleeve.
My Sleeve: http://www.myspace.com/thedominoparade[/u][/url]
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Don't knock people for wearing their heart on a sleeve.
Or their egos?
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However, I have a problem with them sending out the same statement time and time again,they start to get predictable and boring.
Form your own group of people and send out your own statements. Or join a group that conforms to your opinions, but there isn't a lot of choice as far as that's concerned.
You obviously think there are lot of people out their who disagree with the VFC stuff. Well now is your chance to unite them and spread the message of the majority.
This is a wonderfully free country in some respects and you are allowed to do that.
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Or their egos?
I did say this was all about egos.
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However, I have a problem with them sending out the same statement time and time again,they start to get predictable and boring.
Form your own group of people and send out your own statements. Or join a group that conforms to your opinions, but there isn't a lot of choice as far as that's concerned.
You obviously think there are lot of people out their who disagree with the VFC stuff. Well now is your chance to unite them and spread the message of the majority.
This is a wonderfully free country in some respects and you are allowed to do that.
Why should I? I don't agree with lots of things but I don't bang drums and march up and down streets, or issue statements, commenting on them. If VFC want to put themselves in the public gaze then they are open to criticism, or does suppression form part of their strategy. They bore me, do not speak for me, put themselves in the public eye as if they do, so I will react against them.
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Why should I?
It's a free country.
If VFC want to put themselves in the public gaze then they are open to criticism, or does suppression form part of their strategy.
No I don't think suppression is part of their strategy.
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concerned.
You obviously think there are lot of people out their who disagree with the VFC stuff. Well now is your chance to unite them and spread the message of the majority.
And say what? Ellis In? There's no point, he's there already. Ellis Out but we don't want to shout about it? That's a bit self-defeating.
One of the pro-VFC lobby's regular claims is that anyone who disagrees with them should 'do something themselves.' Many of us have, for many years, and with no help from anyone who is part of VFC, because they didn't seem too keen on doing anything at all prior to forming their gang. I don't remembr Jon Fear handing out many £ signs, or helping with Ian Robinson's election campaign, for starters.
Others don't want to do anything because they've got what they want already. It's not about egos, it's about VFC's inability to accept that ordinary supporters can disagree with them.
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I represent the Villa Fans Front of Judea. [VFFJ] NOT the Judean Villa Fans Front.
Fucking Popular Front of Judean Villa fans.... [-(
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This is a wonderfully free country in some respects and you are allowed to do that.
You may have noticed that people on this site are using such freedom to express varied opinions about VFC. You seem to think that this is the crime of the century and people should be constrained from doing so unless they are willing to form “their own group” of some description.
That is, if I may say so, an incredibly ridiculous point of view.
One of my primary objections to Fear’s latest ego-driven media offering is the fact that his palpable disappointment that Villa did not lose last Sunday is so barely concealed that it’s embarrassing. The guy is clearly so desperate to get his name in the papers that he wishes disaster on the team that most people on this site support with the hearts they wear on their sleeves.
If the VFC leader requires undiluted public adulation he should have hesitated before entering the agitation game. It’s a thick skin that’s required not a thick head.
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You may have noticed that people on this site are using such freedom to express varied opinions about VFC. You seem to think that this is the crime of the century
VFC are using their freedom to express their opinion and that's no crime either, although some people think it is.
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One of my primary objections to Fear’s latest ego-driven media offering is the fact that his palpable disappointment that Villa did not lose last Sunday is so barely concealed that it’s embarrassing.
Yeah, I can see how saying Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday
would lead anybody to think that.
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Dave Woodhall said:
I don't remembr Jon Fear handing out many £ signs, or helping with Ian Robinson's election campaign, for starters.
Can you imagine the uproar and piss taking on here if VFC came up with the idea of standing in a General Eelection? Proof that it's not about what VFC do, but the clash of personalities behind the scenes.
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Proof that it's not about what VFC do, but the clash of personalities behind the scenes.
Hammer nail head.
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Dave Woodhall said:
I don't remembr Jon Fear handing out many £ signs, or helping with Ian Robinson's election campaign, for starters.
Can you imagine the uproar and piss taking on here if VFC came up with the idea of standing in a General Eelection? Proof that it's not about what VFC do, but the clash of personalities behind the scenes.
Or perhaps it's a realisation that just banging on about ELLIS OUT has been tried and didn't really achieve much as without a viable alternative it's just pissing in the wind.
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it's just pissing in the wind.
Better to light a candle than curse the darkness.
I think George Formby wrote that as well.
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Or perhaps it's a realisation that just banging on about ELLIS OUT has been tried and didn't really achieve much as without a viable alternative it's just pissing in the wind.
Read through this thread again. Actually don't, life's too short. If there was anything constructive along those lines Chris, you'd have a point, but mostly it's just the Fantastic Four having a dig with their smart arsery. Fair enough, it's a discussion board after all, but to pretend it's anything other than being petty and vindictive is just wrong.
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One of my primary objections to Fear’s latest ego-driven media offering is the fact that his palpable disappointment that Villa did not lose last Sunday is so barely concealed that it’s embarrassing.
Yeah, I can see how saying Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday
would lead anybody to think that.
Just admit it, Fear and good few saddos like him are desperate for Villa to do badly so they can use it as a stick to beat Ellis.
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Just admit it, Fear and good few saddos like him are desperate for Villa to do badly
See what I mean Chris?
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Just admit it, Fear and good few saddos like him are desperate for Villa to do badly
See what I mean Chris?
They want the truth but they can’t handle the truth.
By the way, isn’t it rather ironic that the very same touchy VFC types who are complaining about long threads concerning VFC’s many shortcomings are the ones that are keeping the threads going?
I predict a riot.
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The only thing the laughable VFC have ever achieved is to make Villa fans look like a bunch of moaning whingeing bastards with chips on their shoulders.
No doubt when Doug does eventually leave they'll consider it some kind of great victory for themselves. It'll have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the man (Ellis) is well into his eighties or the fact that he has found someone to sell to who can invest in the club long term. Oh no it'll have nothing to do with that, it'll have all to do with their pathetic pound signs and their embarrassing "we have noticed with interest" press releases that they spout out every other week.
and do you know what, half of the tedious tossers don't even go and support the team.
Sad bastards, go and get a life and leave the rest of us to support the club.
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it's just the Fantastic Four having a dig with their smart arsery.
I don't know about that, but I'd like to think that Chris Smith, Richard Hubbard and I are the modern day 3 Stooges.
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Oh no it'll have nothing to do with that, it'll have all to do with their pathetic pound signs and their embarrassing "we have noticed with interest" press releases that they spout out every other week.
and do you know what, half of the tedious tossers don't even go and support the team.
Sad bastards, go and get a life and leave the rest of us to support the club.
The "pathetic" pound sign protest wasn't anything to do with VFC. And how do you know who goes to the matches and who doesn't?
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smart arsery
Who is this person?
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And how do you know who goes to the matches and who doesn't?
He knows lots of things, completion dates and other inside stuff.
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Oh no it'll have nothing to do with that, it'll have all to do with their pathetic pound signs and their embarrassing "we have noticed with interest" press releases that they spout out every other week.
and do you know what, half of the tedious tossers don't even go and support the team.
Sad bastards, go and get a life and leave the rest of us to support the club.
The "pathetic" pound sign protest wasn't anything to do with VFC. And how do you know who goes to the matches and who doesn't?
Of course those signs had nothing to do with the VFC, of course they didn't.
As for not going the games, well pop over to Villatalk and ask how many of them are refusing to visit Villa Park untill Ellis leaves. You'll be surprised you know. Trust me.
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Oh no it'll have nothing to do with that, it'll have all to do with their pathetic pound signs and their embarrassing "we have noticed with interest" press releases that they spout out every other week.
and do you know what, half of the tedious tossers don't even go and support the team.
Sad bastards, go and get a life and leave the rest of us to support the club.
The "pathetic" pound sign protest wasn't anything to do with VFC. And how do you know who goes to the matches and who doesn't?
To be fair, all of the VFC bigwigs have season tickets.
Apparently, they’re all in the Tilton Road End.
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And how do you know who goes to the matches and who doesn't?
He knows lots of things, completion dates and other inside stuff.
Did you note that with interest by any chance??
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Did you note that with interest by any chance??
Superb! :smt041
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Of course those signs had nothing to do with the VFC, of course they didn't.
VFC has been going for just over 2 years to my knowledge, the £ sign protests were at least 4 years ago when Gregory was still manager. Some of the same people might have been involved in organising it, I don't know, but it was certainly well before the VFC came into being.
I thought as far as it went that was a succesful protest in that a large percentage of fans held them up and it got a lot of publicity. In hindsight it's easy to see that on it's own it wasn't going to achieve much but you don't know that until you give it a try.
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I thought as far as it went that was a succesful protest in that a large percentage of fans held them up and it got a lot of publicity. In hindsight it's easy to see that on it's own it wasn't going to achieve much but you don't know that until you give it a try.
It was very successful.
It brought attention to the fact that the Villa board thought it was OK to play defenders or crap loan players from lower divisions up front rather than spend money like our peers.
I thought it was great.
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Aided by JG, iirc.
"20, 000 £ signs? What happened to the 30,000 that I handed out!"
or similar
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The pound sign thing was by something called the VPL which, to my knowledge, has now been de-wedgied.
It didn't work because it led to Juampi joining.
Was there another pound sign protest after this?
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Yeah, I can see how saying Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday
would lead anybody to think that.
Selective quoting there Risso!
The full quote is:
"Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
So on the day after the Derby victory while every other Villa fan was celebrating Fear just had to find a way to have a bash at Ellis, typical, predictable and completely pointless.
As someone has already pointed out, it's their timing that makes them so bloody irritating.
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Name and shame the Fantastic Four Risso.
For the benefit of Laughing Gravity, I have never suggested VFC gives up. In fact, I'm happy to restate that I'd love to see them keep going for years. And I'd back their right to do so regardless.
However, if you live in the public eye, promoting a political campaign, you should be able to handle criticism (which they are about 50/50 on) and answer questions (which they just don't). While they're still around, I'll still express an opinion and ask questions. That okay with you?
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Excellent Simon.
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So on the day after the Derby victory while every other Villa fan was celebrating Fear just had to find a way to have a bash at Ellis, typical, predictable and completely pointless.
As someone has already pointed out, it's their timing that makes them so bloody irritating.
Whether you agree with the timing or not, I still can't see how any person of sound mind could form the conclusion that Jon Fear was unhappy at the team winning. All he pointed out was that one win over Small Heath didn't suddenly mean all our problems were sorted out.
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...Ellis Out but we don't want to shout about it? That's a bit self-defeating....
I'm surprised no one has picked up on this point. It's most intriguing.
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Can you imagine the uproar and piss taking on here if VFC came up with the idea of standing in a General Eelection? Proof that it's not about what VFC do, but the clash of personalities behind the scenes.
Nope, it's definately about what they do. Putting "Terry Weir RIP" on their Red Card protest was a fuckwit of an idea.
The VFC must be extremely arrogant if they think it's about personailties rather than some of the stupid things they do and say. Although, it is hard to ignore some of their "personalities", I'll grant you.
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While they're still around, I'll still express an opinion and ask questions. That okay with you?
Everybody's got the right to their opinion, it's just that some people dress up their petty personal vendettas as concern for the club. (I'm not including you in that by the way)
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And how do you know who goes to the matches and who doesn't?
He knows lots of things, completion dates and other inside stuff.
Is it impossible for you to actually name whom you are quoting? You'd make life a hell of a lot easier for us
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...Ellis Out but we don't want to shout about it? That's a bit self-defeating....
I'm surprised no one has picked up on this point. It's most intriguing.
Never be amazed at the points which are missed on VFC threads, intentionally or otherwise.
Seconded on the personalities point Mac. I like Jon Fear. Naz I don't really know but the couple of occasions I've met him he's come across as a far more decent bloke than me.
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You'd make life a hell of a lot easier for us
I didn't get where I am today by making life easier for other people.
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While they're still around, I'll still express an opinion and ask questions. That okay with you?
Everybody's got the right to their opinion, it's just that some people dress up their petty personal vendettas as concern for the club. (I'm not including you in that by the way)
Perhaps you ought to name and shame these people and expose what these petty personal vendettas are or others might conclude that you’re just once again making misleading statements to shore-up your increasingly desperate arguments.
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Perhaps you ought to name and shame these people
I don't think the readers of H&V need any help differentiating the decent posters from the petty stirrers.
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Seconded on the personalities point Mac. I like Jon Fear. Naz I don't really know but the couple of occasions I've met him he's come across as a far more decent bloke than me.
I've only ever said "hello" to Jon once. Naz is a nice bloke - although he did annoy me when he continued to refer to himself as "Chairman of AVISA" for almost 12 months after it had disbanded.
That said.... the last time Box was on here he was exceedingly sly and rude.
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Perhaps you ought to name and shame these people
I don't think the readers of H&V need any help differentiating the decent posters from the petty stirrers.
I think you should name them.
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Perhaps you ought to name and shame these people
I don't think the readers of H&V need any help differentiating the decent posters from the petty stirrers.
I think you should name them.
He should definitely name them.
He’s made the allegation and further said there are “petty personal vendettas”.
Everybody will no doubt be very interested to hear all about such intriguing matters.
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That said.... the last time Box was on here he was exceedingly sly and rude.
He was Brilliant. Can we get him back on here?
Does he charge by the hour?
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Pioneered the storming out protest no less. Even took his posts with him.
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Does Risso’s failure to tell us who these reprobates are and give us any information about the vendettas mean he was once again just making it all up as he went along in order to advance the shakiest of arguments?
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OK, I'll name them.
It's dump, Mr dump, tallulah and Willy W.
I've yet to see them post anything positive about VFC.
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Does Risso’s failure to tell us who these reprobates are and give us any information about the vendettas mean he was once again just making it all up as he went along in order to advance the shakiest of arguments?
Or does it say that I'm not going to play your daft little games? I think so. Like I said, it's fairly obvious who the wind up merchants are.
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I believe that Boxy was/is a member of the paramilitary arm of VFC. I can't say much more as I don't want his lawyers on my tail.
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Does Risso’s failure to tell us who these reprobates are and give us any information about the vendettas mean he was once again just making it all up as he went along in order to advance the shakiest of arguments?
Or does it say that I'm not going to play your daft little games? I think so. Like I said, it's fairly obvious who the wind up merchants are.
You’ve sensationally claimed that these people, whom you steadfastly refuse to name, are motivated by “petty personal vendettas”, of which we must assume that you have insider knowledge.
You should either fill us all in on the juicy details or withdraw the claim.
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You should either fill us all in on the juicy details or withdraw the claim.
Why, because you say so?
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I believe that Boxy was/is a member of the paramilitary arm of VFC. I can't say much more as I don't want his lawyers on my tail.
They can't be any good - they never contacted Dave.
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You should either fill us all in on the juicy details or withdraw the claim.
Why, because you say so?
No, but because you want to defend you line of arguement.
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You should either fill us all in on the juicy details or withdraw the claim.
Why, because you say so?
No, mainly because it just looks like a person’s talking out of their arse if they can’t (or haven’t got the courage to) actually substantiate what they’ve written.
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I believe that Boxy was/is a member of the paramilitary arm of VFC. I can't say much more as I don't want his lawyers on my tail.
They can't be any good - they never contacted Dave.
Aye, but Dave has something of the night about him as he slips in and out of the shadows (oo-er), very hard to get hold of. I'm far easier to find.
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No, mainly because it just looks like a person’s talking out of their arse if they can’t (or haven’t got the courage to) actually substantiate what they’ve written.
Yawn. Whatever.
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No, mainly because it just looks like a person’s talking out of their arse if they can’t (or haven’t got the courage to) actually substantiate what they’ve written.
Yawn. Whatever.
Things must be getting bad for this VFC lot. After resorting to the gutter yesterday Risso’s now gone for the sulky teenager tactic.
More importantly however, everyone who’s read this thread now knows that Risso’s contributions aren’t worth the bit of cyberspace they exist in.
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If I wrote something along the lines of: "Certain people in VFC simply want to further their own interests and sate their personal vendettas," should I have to back up the claim in order for it to be taken seriously?
Maybe we should sticky a personal vendetta thread where we can name and shame.
Edit: I still want to know who the Fantastic Four are. And if they are really fantastic.
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Ahh, i'd forgotten how entertaining the cliquiness of grown men on the internet can be. Thank god for Villa fans.
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More importantly however, everyone who’s read this thread now knows that Risso’s contributions aren’t worth the bit of cyberspace they exist in.
The majority of the readership gave up a long time ago in expecting to find anything of any substance in a VFC thread.
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More importantly however, everyone who’s read this thread now knows that Risso’s contributions aren’t worth the bit of cyberspace they exist in.
The majority of the readership gave up a long time ago in expecting to find anything of any substance in a VFC thread.
Well, you never know. This one's still got 74+ pages to go.
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And who are you to claim to speak on behalf of the majority?
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everyone who’s read this thread now knows that Risso’s contributions aren’t worth the bit of cyberspace they exist in.
are you professing to be the official spokesperson for H&V now, Stewpot?
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And who are you to claim to speak on behalf of the majority?
Up yours.
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everyone who’s read this thread now knows that Risso’s contributions aren’t worth the bit of cyberspace they exist in.
are you professing to be the official spokesperson for H&V now, Stewpot?
I certainly am not, which is one of the many good reasons why I’ve never claimed to be such.
I can’t speak for Stu (not Stew) but it doesn’t sound as if it would be up his street either.
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Risso’s now gone for the sulky teenager tactic.
And that's from the person who refrained from posting (read: took his ball home) as Disco Stu for 10 days after a bit of fun was poked at him around the time of the Tory conference.
Anyway this whole thread's been childish, so surely the sulky teenager tactic is perfectly justified.
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Risso’s now gone for the sulky teenager tactic.
And that's from the person who refrained from posting (read: took his ball home) as Disco Stu for 10 days after a bit of fun was poked at him around the time of the Tory conference.
Anyway this whole thread's been childish, so surely the sulky teenager tactic is perfectly justified.
And we all know how much little Rissokins missed his Disco Stu but little Rissokins must understand that Stu can’t always be stuck to the computer to entertain the likes of him.
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And who are you to claim to speak on behalf of the majority?
Up yours.
I think you meant: "A majority spokesman said 'up yours'."
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And we all know how much little Rissokins missed his Disco Stu but little Rissokins must understand that Stu can’t always be stuck to the computer to entertain the likes of him.
So you didn't have the hump then? For 10 days? And then join again under a new name? Purely so you could carry on with the "either/or" thread?
Sorry, my mistake!
:smt003
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I've worked out who Smart Arsey is!
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Come, come, Risso.
You’re plainly just trying to distract people’s attention from these allegations you’ve made but can’t substantiate.
By the way, you’ve also failed miserably to work out the motivation behind the time waster involvement.
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Oh Christ, another VFC thread ends in a big scrap.
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And we all know how much little Rissokins missed his Disco Stu but little Rissokins must understand that Stu can’t always be stuck to the computer to entertain the likes of him.
So you didn't have the hump then? For 10 days? And then join again under a new name?
I know, as you posted elsewhere at great length, you missed me terribly and it must have seemed an awful long time to somebody so obviously lovelorn but where does this ten days come from?
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Did you get a proper haircut?
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I'm with Fletch on Box. Field was a bit creepy; Fear, in best Fuzzy Wuzzy when confronted with Corporal Jones stylee, didn't seem to like it up him, and eventually left with ball firmly clutched, but Box was definitely worth the entrance fee none of us actually pay.
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Especially for Simon, the Fantastic Four (with tongue mostly in cheek):
Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!
The Invisible Woman - Disco Stu, disappears before your very eyes! For days at a time!
The Human Torch - Ian Robinson, Flame on! Flame! Flame! Flame!
The Thing - Mac McColgan, the ginger clobberer!
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with tongue mostly in cheek
Mostly Fear's.
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Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!
Dave drops anchor at poo bay???!!!!??????
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Especially for Simon, the Fantastic Four (with tongue mostly in cheek):
Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!
The Invisible Woman - Disco Stu, disappears before your very eyes! For days at a time!
The Human Torch - Ian Robinson, Flame on! Flame! Flame! Flame!
The Thing - Mac McColgan, the ginger clobberer!
Nah, Stu'd be the human torch cause he's the one who always makes the smart arse comments.
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Especially for Simon, the Fantastic Four (with tongue mostly in cheek):
Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!
The Invisible Woman - Disco Stu, disappears before your very eyes! For days at a time!
The Human Torch - Ian Robinson, Flame on! Flame! Flame! Flame!
The Thing - Mac McColgan, the ginger clobberer!
Well, well. Another VFC acolyte making juvenile comments from behind the safety of a computer screen.
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Especially for Simon, the Fantastic Four (with tongue mostly in cheek):
Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!
The Invisible Woman - Disco Stu, disappears before your very eyes! For days at a time!
The Human Torch - Ian Robinson, Flame on! Flame! Flame! Flame!
The Thing - Mac McColgan, the ginger clobberer!
Well, well. Another VFC acolyte making juvenile comments from behind the safety of a computer screen.
It was a joke, but that notwithstanding, how on earth else are you supposed to make juvenile comments on an internet message board, if not from behind a computer screen?
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Ah, so it was a joke. That's why my sides just split.
What's a joke doing on this board?
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Ah, so it was a joke. That's why my sides just split.
What's a joke doing on this board?
I didn't say it was funny, but at least it wasn't the bird flu one!
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Well, well. Another VFC acolyte making juvenile comments from behind the safety of a computer screen.
Dave, do you know if the Bartons' has a car park?
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Dave, do you know if the Bartons' has a car park?
I believe it has.
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Can you imagine the uproar and piss taking on here if VFC came up with the idea of standing in a General Eelection? Proof that it's not about what VFC do, but the clash of personalities behind the scenes.
If VFC had stood a candidate in the last election I'd have been flattered that they stole my idea from four years ago, and pleased that they were doing something other than regular press releases and an annual stroll down Trinity Rd. The first public meetings were a good idea, as was the Hodgson Report. The £ sign protest of 2000-01 was a good idea, last year's red cards were counter-productive. Sending out repetitive press releases and still not working out that you can refuse to comment when the media get in touch are both bad ideas. Asking pointed questions at an AGM is a good idea, storming out because you don't get the answers you want is a bad one.
Proof that it's not about a clash of personalities but that I can make up my mind about specific actions as & when required.
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Can you imagine the uproar and piss taking on here if VFC came up with the idea of standing in a General Eelection? Proof that it's not about what VFC do, but the clash of personalities behind the scenes.
If VFC had stood a candidate in the last election I'd have been flattered that they stole my idea from four years ago, and pleased that they were doing something other than regular press releases and an annual stroll down Trinity Rd. The first public meetings were a good idea, as was the Hodgson Report. The £ sign protest of 2000-01 was a good idea, last year's red cards were counter-productive. Sending out repetitive press releases and still not working out that you can refuse to comment when the media get in touch are both bad ideas. Asking pointed questions at an AGM is a good idea, storming out because you don't get the answers you want is a bad one.
Proof that it's not about a clash of personalities but that I can make up my mind about specific actions as & when required.
Well why didn't you just say that in the first place?
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Well why didn't you just say that in the first place?
Because I've got 37 pages.
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Well why didn't you just say that in the first place?
If he’s said it once, he’s said it a thousand times but apparently some people just can’t see beyond their petty personal vendettas.
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Because I've got 37 pages.
This is going to 100+ pages even if it takes until Christmas.
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Dave, why not have your next book, as comments on VFC. It would be a book you could release in multi part volumes!
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It would be nice to hit the fabled 100 pages, but we need something to breathe new life into it. Hmmmmmm.
DEATH TO ALL ASYLUM SEEKERS
VOTE BNP
MAKE ALL GAYS WEAR PINK TRIANGLES
Plus, you're all a bunch of bastards!
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H&V's new editorial Team
(http://elliottback.com/wp/wp-content/fantastic-four-movie-poster.jpg)
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It looks like a red X to me.
Now, about this maffiosi drip drip
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It would be nice to hit the fabled 100 pages, but we need something to breathe new life into it. Hmmmmmm.
DEATH TO ALL ASYLUM SEEKERS
VOTE BNP
MAKE ALL GAYS WEAR PINK TRIANGLES
Plus, you're all a bunch of bastards!
Mark you shandy drinking , boy stop picking on pink triangle wearers
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Why doesn't any other Villa supporters group say anything? There's plenty to say? Are they active?
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Dave, do you know if the Bartons' has a car park?
I believe it has.
Yes, well you said there were some petty personal vendettas and that turned out to be bullshit.
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There's plenty to say
Such as....?
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Dave, do you know if the Bartons' has a car park?
I believe it has.
Yes, well you said there were some petty personal vendettas and that turned out to be bullshit.
It hasn't got a car park?
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What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.
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What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.
Same as they were when he was asked while Ansell was still there.
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What plan is that?
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It would be nice to hit the fabled 100 pages, but we need something to breathe new life into it. Hmmmmmm.
DEATH TO ALL ASYLUM SEEKERS
VOTE BNP
MAKE ALL GAYS WEAR PINK TRIANGLES
Plus, you're all a bunch of bastards!
You've just nicked David Davies next campaign speech.
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What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.
You mean if, for example, he undergoes major surgery?
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You've just nicked David Davies next campaign speech.
What’s the MP for Monmouth got to do with anything?
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What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.
You mean if, for example, he undergoes major surgery?
His heart troubles should be a warning sign to Ellis that running the club, at nearly 82 years old - re-taking on the joint CEO/Chairman role, to boot - is beneficial neither to him or the club. He should step down permanently. Now.
Or is that ageist, etc?
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What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.
You mean if, for example, he undergoes major surgery?
His heart troubles should be a warning sign to Ellis that running the club, at nearly 82 years old - re-taking on the joint CEO/Chairman role, to boot - is beneficial neither to him or the club. He should step down permanently. Now.
Or is that ageist, etc?
In a way, yes. Would you be saying the same if he was 45 and just had heart surgery?
In any case, I think he does recognise it's time to hand over the reigns, otherwise he wouldn't even be considering other options. You have to remember this in itself is a huge change of position for Doug Ellis.
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Especially for Simon, the Fantastic Four (with tongue mostly in cheek):
Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!
The Invisible Woman - Disco Stu, disappears before your very eyes! For days at a time!
The Human Torch - Ian Robinson, Flame on! Flame! Flame! Flame!
The Thing - Mac McColgan, the ginger clobberer!
I'm tourched.
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What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.
You mean if, for example, he undergoes major surgery?
His heart troubles should be a warning sign to Ellis that running the club, at nearly 82 years old - re-taking on the joint CEO/Chairman role, to boot - is beneficial neither to him or the club. He should step down permanently. Now.
Or is that ageist, etc?
Since when have you felt so strongly over this?
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For quite while now, Simon :)
I don't mind if people, don't feel the same way. I don't mind if they criticise me for saying it. As long as the criticism is even handed, then I should be able to stand behind what I say, or as a VFC person, what Jonathan says in my name (in effect).
I do think an element of this thread has been based not so much on what is said, but who says it. And some of the accusations made about Jonathan have used distortion, or innacuracies to then have a go at him on a false premise.
VFC threads seem to gather a lot of posts, simply because it's the VFC saying it. If it was someone else, then it would pass with little or no comment. Double edged sword I suppose. C'est la vie
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VFC threads seem to gather a lot of posts, simply because it's the VFC saying it. If it was someone else, then it would pass with little or no comment. Double edged sword I suppose. C'est la vie
I'm sure that if any other group were as controversial in what they say and the way that they say it, they would also inspire debate.
It is, as you say, a double-edged sword. What a pity that VFC's spokesman doesn't see matters in the same way.
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What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.
You mean if, for example, he undergoes major surgery?
His heart troubles should be a warning sign to Ellis that running the club, at nearly 82 years old - re-taking on the joint CEO/Chairman role, to boot - is beneficial neither to him or the club. He should step down permanently. Now.
This is a classic example of the blinkered VFC line. Your beloved chairman has recently stated that the appointment of a new CEO has been put on hold, as it would be a pointless exercise bringing in a new man should the impending takeover be successful. Ellis has said the offer is very interesting, hinting that for him, he's happy with it. It looks like it could well happen, yet those at VFC want him to step down "now".
Sorry Pete, I understand your frustration but you sound like naughty, spoilt children who can't get their own way.
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Yes, still yelling Ellis Out when he's close to packing the photos on his desk. Still more bothered about him leaving than - far more relevant to any right-thinking Villa fan - who might be coming through the door to replace him.
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The thing that pisses me off no end, is that I have 1700 posts under my belt, fairly respectable/sad/whatever and have only lit up 4 of my muppet fellas. Mac, with his bloody 600/700 posts has lit the the whole lot up like a fucking christmas tree! Have a word. I demand a frigging recount, or to make me a muppet forthwith.
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Only 31 pages and now unlikely to get to 100.
I'm very disappointed, people.
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Only 31 pages and now unlikely to get to 100.
I'm very disappointed, people.
I'm not. Fletch you're a shit of the highest order. You and VFC are fellow bedwetters who demand this that and the other deserve the contempt you are royally treated with. Erm, keep right on and other such stirring things....
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That's the spirit Peter.
Also, I happen to know for a fact that 14 posters on here are Blues fans. What about that eh?
Their names will be revealed when we hit page 100.
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Yeah, and Angel is shit.
And I like the design of the new Trinity.
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Anyone else agree that Paul McGrath was overrated?
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Anyone else agree that Paul McGrath was overrated?
Think that would be a struggle - now Robbie Williams [-X
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That's the spirit Peter.
Also, I happen to know for a fact that 14 posters on here are Blues fans. What about that eh?
Their names will be revealed when we hit page 100.
I'm a Blues fan, I especially like the white crumbly ones, you don't see too many of those these days.
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Anyone else agree that Paul McGrath was overrated?
Think that would be a struggle - now Robbie Williams [-X
How about "I think the Supporters Trust are overrated"
Actually, I don't, but I can't find my renewal form.
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I personally think that VFC DO speak for me and all other Villa fans. You lot are just upset because you didn't think of it first. If you had balls you slag off an 80- year old anti christ, wave red cards at him, and walk away flailing your hands just about as he was about to ask you the way to the toilets. Fletch you're a prick. Risso you're an arse, all Chris's you are faggots, Famous AV you embarrass yourself, BD you're an eejit. Woodhall stop making a living off the back off my football team and getting mugs like me to buy your books, Olofs beard?Olofs bollocks. Mac shmac. Laughing Gravity you're a tit,Legion who the fuck are you anyway? mazz and your poof of a brother can suck my big cock, Robbo and JD you fairies, Simon Page ooh you're soooo hard.Steve D what the 'D' stand for? Dickhead?Pete Bland ain't that the truth. Disco Stu or whatever the frig you call yourself you cocksucking animal sod off, Karlos get a proper job you boring twat, oh fuck the lot of ya VillaTalk is a lot more interesting anyway.....
surely that will get something going...
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Especially for Simon, the Fantastic Four (with tongue mostly in cheek):
Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!
The Invisible Woman - Disco Stu, disappears before your very eyes! For days at a time!
The Human Torch - Ian Robinson, Flame on! Flame! Flame! Flame!
The Thing - Mac McColgan, the ginger clobberer!
I'm tourched.
That's pretty good actually.
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I personally think that VFC DO speak for me and all other Villa fans. You lot are just upset because you didn't think of it first. If you had balls you slag off an 80- year old anti christ, wave red cards at him, and walk away flailing your hands just about as he was about to ask you the way to the toilets. Fletch you're a prick. Risso you're an arse, all Chris's you are faggots, Famous AV you embarrass yourself, BD you're an eejit. Woodhall stop making a living off the back off my football team and getting mugs like me to buy your books, Olofs beard?Olofs bollocks. Mac shmac. Laughing Gravity you're a tit,Legion who the fuck are you anyway? mazz and your poof of a brother can suck my big cock, Robbo and JD you fairies, Simon Page ooh you're soooo hard.Steve D what the 'D' stand for? Dickhead?Pete Bland ain't that the truth. Disco Stu or whatever the frig you call yourself you cocksucking animal sod off, Karlos get a proper job you boring twat, oh fuck the lot of ya VillaTalk is a lot more interesting anyway.....
This is the most sensible contribution to this thread yet.
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mazz and your poof of a brother can suck my big cock
Ah well Maz, you could do worse.
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I personally think that VFC DO speak for me and all other Villa fans. You lot are just upset because you didn't think of it first. If you had balls you slag off an 80- year old anti christ, wave red cards at him, and walk away flailing your hands just about as he was about to ask you the way to the toilets. Fletch you're a prick. Risso you're an arse, all Chris's you are faggots, Famous AV you embarrass yourself, BD you're an eejit. Woodhall stop making a living off the back off my football team and getting mugs like me to buy your books, Olofs beard?Olofs bollocks. Mac shmac. Laughing Gravity you're a tit,Legion who the fuck are you anyway? mazz and your poof of a brother can suck my big cock, Robbo and JD you fairies, Simon Page ooh you're soooo hard.Steve D what the 'D' stand for? Dickhead?Pete Bland ain't that the truth. Disco Stu or whatever the frig you call yourself you cocksucking animal sod off, Karlos get a proper job you boring twat, oh fuck the lot of ya VillaTalk is a lot more interesting anyway.....
surely that will get something going...
I'm insulted - I wasn't included!
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His heart troubles should be a warning sign to Ellis that running the club, at nearly 82 years old - re-taking on the joint CEO/Chairman role, to boot - is beneficial neither to him or the club. He should step down permanently. Now.
This is a classic example of the blinkered VFC line. Your beloved chairman has recently stated that the appointment ....Sorry Pete, I understand your frustration but you sound like naughty, spoilt children who can't get their own way.
OK revelation time.
The opinion quoted above, is one with which I genuinely hold, but the words were "inspired" by a Supporters Trust Press Release from 10th June (http://www.villatrust.org.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=176&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0).
Like many others the Aston Villa Supporters Trust were shocked at the news of Doug Ellis’s illness and wish him a speedy and healthy recovery. However, surely this must now be the warning sign to Doug that running a large company at the age of 81 is not beneficial to either him or the club......surely now the time has come to enjoy a belated retirement, letting others take over the reigns
I did this to show a couple of things - firstly that the line taken by VFC is often not so different at all from that of the "respectable and responsible" supporters trust, but that VFC "views" seem to raise a lot more comment and opprobrium than the Trust's views and secondly because of two comments further up this thread - the one I highlighted from Dave a couple of pages back about "...Ellis Out but we don't want to shout about it? That's a bit self-defeating...."
And LG's question Why doesn't any other Villa supporters group say anything? There's plenty to say? Are they active?
The supporters trust in their understated, not wanting to shout about it - way seem to all want Ellis out (at the moment) and quietly anounced it on their website, and no one passes comment (or maybe even notices) "self defeating" indeed - yet VFC say the same (and shout about it) - and we get 30 odd pages on H&V about whether VFC are good /bad /tossers /irrelevant etc.
It all fills space and keeps people entertained, which is what this place is for, but....
note:The supporters trust (though they don't represent me) are right to want Ellis out and they are a worthy organisation.
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The Supporters Trust want Ellis out?
Really?
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If the Trust's representative had stamped his foot and walked out of the AGM, then it would have aroused comment. If a Trust spokesman had made the comments that Jon Fear made in the story at the top of this tread, it would equally have inspired debate.
The Trust board, generally, does not believe that there's anything to be gained from running to the press on a regular basis, particularly when nothing is happening.
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particularly when nothing is happening.
Nothing is happening?
Do they go around blindfolded with candlewax in their ears?
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particularly when nothing is happening.
Nothing is happening?
Do they go around blindfolded with candlewax in their ears?
Okay - so what's happening? That's 'what is actually happening?' as opposed to 'what is happening in a parallel universe where half a word can be stretched into an entire novel?'
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Okay - so what's happening? That's 'what is actually happening?' as opposed to 'what is happening in a parallel universe where half a word can be stretched into an entire novel?'
How about 1 rejected approach (at least) to buy the club, one on going at an early stage, the chairman having severe health problems, the Chief Exec resigning over a "difference of opinion about future direction"
But perhaps if you (anyone) is unaware as to what's happening, as shareholders you (anyone) might want to try and find out, perhaps by asking questions.
Or perhaps none of the things happening have any bearing on the future of the club and therefore are not cause to ask questions or pass comment. Perhaps it's more important to talk about other things?
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I agree, the only place where nothing is happening is the ST.
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But perhaps if you (anyone) is unaware as to what's happening, as shareholders you (anyone) might want to try and find out, perhaps by asking questions.
I seem to remember that one of the few blokes who’s consistently asked questions of Doug over the last twenty years was abused by a prominent VFC supporter as a “geriatric madman” after last year’s AGM.
Why do VFC people hate our senior citizens so much? Do they all live with their parents and are grounded if they fail to note enough things with interest?
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But perhaps if you (anyone) is unaware as to what's happening, as shareholders you (anyone) might want to try and find out, perhaps by asking questions.
I seem to remember that one of the few blokes who’s consistently asked questions of Doug over the last twenty years was abused by a prominent VFC supporter as a “geriatric madman” after last year’s AGM.
Still trying to continue your petty vendetta I see Stu. I think your memory's playing tricks on you, I'd like to see the post where the phrase "geriatric madman" was used.
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Yes, still yelling Ellis Out when he's close to packing the photos on his desk. Still more bothered about him leaving than - far more relevant to any right-thinking Villa fan - who might be coming through the door to replace him.
I now understand the reason Pete and VFC have taken this stand. It seems from posts on other sites, the VFC do not believe Ellis is seriously looking to sell the club and it's basically all "spin". That therefore justifies their continued press releases/pressure/attacks etc on Ellis.
Why didn't you say that in the first place, Pete?
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do not believe Ellis is seriously looking to sell the club and it's basically all "spin
That is certainly a possibility looking at Ellis's "I'm fit" comments in todays papers.
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Hasn't the share price fallen a fair bit over the last few days as well?
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Hasn't the share price fallen a fair bit over the last few days as well?
It's stable Risso, with very low trading and still up £1.00 compared to a month ago. Current price: £4.75
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Hasn't the share price fallen a fair bit over the last few days as well?
It's stable Risso, with very low trading and still up £1.00 compared to a month ago. Current price: £4.75
Didn't it drop about 35p in the week though? Might not mean anything, but you'd expect the price to keep gradually rising somewhere towards the final sale price.
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Unless it has already rose above the final offer price!?
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Hasn't the share price fallen a fair bit over the last few days as well?
It's stable Risso, with very low trading and still up £1.00 compared to a month ago. Current price: £4.75
Didn't it drop about 35p in the week though? Might not mean anything, but you'd expect the price to keep gradually rising somewhere towards the final sale price.
So you disagree with Pete Bland/VFC and think Ellis is looking to sell? :-
I hope you're right!
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I hope he sells.
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Very diplomatic, Risso. Can't blame you though, having a drink by yourself before the game doesn't sound much fun although I'm sure you'd be made very welcome up at the Bartons. :smt002
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But perhaps if you (anyone) is unaware as to what's happening, as shareholders you (anyone) might want to try and find out, perhaps by asking questions.
I seem to remember that one of the few blokes who’s consistently asked questions of Doug over the last twenty years was abused by a prominent VFC supporter as a “geriatric madman” after last year’s AGM.
Still trying to continue your petty vendetta I see Stu.
As with the abuse of senior citizens, I’ll leave the petty personal vendettas to you, Risso.
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How about 1 rejected approach (at least) to buy the club, one on going at an early stage, the chairman having severe health problems, the Chief Exec resigning over a "difference of opinion about future direction"
But perhaps if you (anyone) is unaware as to what's happening, as shareholders you (anyone) might want to try and find out, perhaps by asking questions.
Or perhaps none of the things happening have any bearing on the future of the club and therefore are not cause to ask questions or pass comment. Perhaps it's more important to talk about other things?
One approach that was generally regarded as tentative in the extreme, inadequate, and from someone who was so dedicated to the approach that he skulked off at the first opportunity. One that might or might not be serious, might or might not be at a realistic price, from someone whose identity has not been revealed, and which has rated a cursory mention in the press.
A chairman whose ill-health led to the club being run in his absence by senior management, and I'm sure that even you would agree it was run efficiently.
A chief executive resigning several months ago, and for reasons which neither he nor the club, when asked, will fully state, except to say that it was for more than purely business reasons.
I don't think there's much there to get worked up about, and until something concrete happens with regards to a possible takeover/retirement, I can't see any reason to labour the point.
Asking questions is fine, provided you don't go into a sulk when you don't get the right answer you want. Saying the same things on an almost weekly basis regardless of what's happening in the world outside your computer is pointless.
Incidentally, as you've started to talk about VFC now, perhaps you could settle an argument. How many members have they got, and who are they?
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I now understand the reason Pete and VFC have taken this stand. It seems from posts on other sites, the VFC do not believe Ellis is seriously looking to sell the club and it's basically all "spin". That therefore justifies their continued press releases/pressure/attacks etc on Ellis.
Why didn't you say that in the first place, Pete?
Personally I'm sceptical about whether Ellis is about to divest himself of his interests in the club, sure. There's an element of spin in some of the recent stuff from Ellis and friends - but whether that's the traditional "be nice about someone who's leaving (or very ill)" or "see he's a great person to stay in charge, fit as a fiddle etc" who knows.
There's clearly, definitely, people who would like to take over. But it's not a done deal by a long way is it?
Jonathan asked some good questions at the agm - no one seems to disagree that they were relevant and courteously put.
I would guess that the vast majority of fans would like to see Ellis step down, new money come in, new ideas and dynamism, and Ellis have a long and happy retirement.
People will be concerned that whoever comes next is better, not worse, for the club and for the fans.
To me that's much more worthy of discussion than a recycled press article.
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Incidentally, as you've started to talk about VFC now, perhaps you could settle an argument. How many members have they got, and who are they?
I'll be amazed if you ever get an answer to that.
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Why is an answer necessary? They are what they are.
What has the ST ever done for us?
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Jonathan asked some good questions at the agm - no one seems to disagree that they were relevant and courteously put.
I would guess that the vast majority of fans would like to see Ellis step down, new money come in, new ideas and dynamism, and Ellis have a long and happy retirement.
People will be concerned that whoever comes next is better, not worse, for the club and for the fans.
To me that's much more worthy of discussion than a recycled press article.
"Relevant and courteous" - agreed. So why act like a spoiled child later? And why then start bitching about anyone who disagrees with him? He spoke about people hiding behind computers. That's a bit rich, considering 2/3 of the people he was with, and the way in which they all arrived late and left early, therefore avoiding the need to speak to anyone.
"Whoever comes next is better, not worse" - agreed again. So why give the impression of Anyone But Ellis? You may disagree, but that's the implication of VFC's continued actions.
"Much more worthy of discussion than a recycled press article" - agreed again. But it wasn't recycled - it was completely new, and obviously written after the weekend. Why pretend otherwise?
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Jonathan asked some good questions at the agm - no one seems to disagree that they were relevant and courteously put.
However none of those of us, who weren't able to attend, know what they were or what answers were given. All we know is that he subsequently walked out in a huff which sort of defeats the object.
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You know when the ST makes statements, do they make it clear they are not speaking for the majority of Aston Villa supporters and that there membership is almost as insignificant a number as the VFC when compared with the number of Villa fans out there? Just wondering.
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Why is an answer necessary? They are what they are.
Don't you harbour the slightest curiosity as to the identity of someone who you support so vigorously?
And what is VFC? Is it still a coalition of supporter groups? Is it one man and a computer? Can anyone join?
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Don't you harbour the slightest curiosity as to the identity of someone who you support so vigorously?
Strangely no.
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A chief executive resigning several months ago, and for reasons which neither he nor the club, when asked, will fully state, except to say that it was for more than purely business reasons.
The announcement to the LSE said it was for business reasons -specifically a difference over the direction of the club.
...until something concrete happens with regards to a possible takeover/retirement, I can't see any reason to labour the point.
I agree.
Asking questions is fine, provided you don't go into a sulk when you don't get the right answer you want. Saying the same things on an almost weekly basis regardless of what's happening in the world outside your computer is pointless.
So how many VFC threads have there been on H&V? loads. As you say, pointless. Same people, mostly making the same "comment" on the same subject.
Talking of which
Incidentally, as you've started to talk about VFC now, perhaps you could settle an argument. How many members have they got, and who are they?
We've done this loads of times before. It's not a membership organisation. There are no members cards, joining fee etc. It's not "democratic" It's a pressure group. A group of people backed by many more, putting forward a particular viewpoint. VFC doesn't represent all villa fans and has never claimed to do so.
People who agree/disagree are quite at liberty to say so. Constructive criticism has been welcomed, in my view. Sniping, not welcomed.
Not all questions have been answered, though most sensible ones have, I think.
Some have been asked repeatedly and answered repeatedly.
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We've done this loads of times before. It's not a membership organisation. There are no members cards, joining fee etc. It's not "democratic" It's a pressure group. A group of people backed by many more, putting forward a particular viewpoint. VFC doesn't represent all villa fans and has never claimed to do so.
May I suggest a slight change of name, then? To Some Villa Fans Combined? :)
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They are a lobby group.
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[So how many VFC threads have there been on H&V? loads. As you say, pointless. Same people, mostly making the same "comment" on the same subject.
We've done this loads of times before. It's not a membership organisation. There are no members cards, joining fee etc. It's not "democratic" It's a pressure group. A group of people backed by many more, putting forward a particular viewpoint. VFC doesn't represent all villa fans and has never claimed to do so.
People who agree/disagree are quite at liberty to say so. Constructive criticism has been welcomed, in my view. Sniping, not welcomed.
Not all questions have been answered, though most sensible ones have, I think.
Some have been asked repeatedly and answered repeatedly.
Again, as I've said before, the reason VFC gets debated here is usually when there's nothing else to talk about. However, their modus operandi is to get publicity, so they can't complain when the debate is not entirely supportive. If a 33 page thread somewhere else produced a largely pro-VFC opinion, you'd welcome it.
I know we've debated VFC's membership before. That's because we've never had an answer. How many members? How many supporters? You can't claim to be the umbrella group you hold yourselves out to be when in reality you consist of a handful.
As for constructive criticism being welcomed, please don't insult my intelligence. VFC and most of their camp followers have never been able to accept either criticism or a different viewpoint. That's the main gripe I have with them.
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Jonathan asked some good questions at the agm - no one seems to disagree that they were relevant and courteously put.
However none of those of us, who weren't able to attend, know what they were or what answers were given. All we know is that he subsequently walked out in a huff which sort of defeats the object.
Jonathan Fear put this on the interweb and Villa mailing list, Chris sorry, it's quite long, but seeing as you asked...
I truly hope that yesterdays AGM was the last pro-active action anyone involved with VFC and the Aston Villa Shareholders Association have to take and that the board of AVFC are honestly considering a takeover proposal.
However, it has to be said, that the timing is more than a little convenient. The same happened before last years agm and the same excuses for not answering our questions was given. They suggested virtually no questions could be answered because of the rules of the City. 2 years in a row, 2 years of losses, 2 years of poor on the field performances and 2 years where they couldn't answer questions.
IF there is an offer on the table, the board of Aston Villa proved beyond doubt yesterday, that they MUST give it their full consideration because their inability to even run an AGM with any vigour or skill proved again that they are moribund and are incapable of taking Villa anywhere but backwards.
I asked if the club was up for sale and if they would actively seek investment. They talked about the approach on the table. But that wasn't the question. Mr Ellis has - reportedly - had approaches before, but if the approaches and are ignored or stonewalled, then they aren't being considered professionally. The question was if he would actively seek investment. He replied, and the reply baffled most of us, that in business you are better to wait for an approach. He used the analogy of if we were selling a house. Well, I'm sorry Mr Ellis, but when I sell my houses I - yes you have guessed it - actively seek potential buyers and then consider the best offer. THAT is the way business in done.
Our suggestion is that all interested parties now approach, if their approaches are ignored, then go public, because the board have a duty to their shareholders and at the moment, much like every other aspect of the club, we are in limbo.
The questions were deflected by spin and bluster and the frustration of a good few shareholders grew. The look of bewilderment on the presses faces also didn't go unnoticed.
For the resolution in regards to the remuneration of the executives and directly in relation to the £50 000 bonuses they have again sanctioned for themselves I asked why, when shareholders have had no dividends for 4 years, do they consider they are worthy of such high bonuses? The answer came - if memory serves me right - from Mr Hales, who said it was because they had reduced the £10million debt to just under £2million. I said a couple of times to get an answer, 'but they still made a loss?'. I also asked why, if they got the bonus this year for reducing the loss, did they get one the previous year when they had created such a huge loss? That remained unanswered. So I'll answer it. Greed. Mr Ellis tells us he puts money into the club but no one has ever found any evidence in the accounts. He has however, had over £8million out. His answer to that 'only women and horses work for nothing'.
They lost the resolution to have their remuneration accepted on a show of hands. They will now overturn that by a poll.
When it came on to the re-election of Mr Ellis.
I asked if we had a Chief Executive. They said no. I asked why we didn't have a Chief Executive. Their excuse was the offer on the table. However Mr Langham 'left' before any such approach was made. Doug did however point to the fact we had a new Sales Director. I hadn't asked that. Another shareholder asked why Mr Langham was paid off when he 'left'. The answer was Mr Langham had to give one years notice and they decided it was in the interest of the club to pay his contract up and let him leave immediately. Why? He was the only member of staff doing something! They were also questioned about why he left but they said you would have to ask Mr Langham that yourselves. I may just do that.
I went on to ask if we had a Financial Director. The board pointed at the sales director who started telling the meeting that he looked at the finances. I asked him therefore if he was the Financial Director to which the reply was no. I asked again, do we have a Financial Director? They finally answered the simple question saying 'no'. I then asked why don't we have a Financial Director?! The excuse was the current approach. However Mark Ansell left years ago, and had become Deputy Chief Exec as opposed to Financial Director anyway.
So, we don't have a Chief Executive and we don't have a Financial Director. But they assured us that they follow corporate Governance. I could only conclude that what we in fact have is a rudderless ship.
I genuinely complimented Mr Ellis on the way he is manfully fighting his health issues and many people echoed that. For me and many amongst the 'anti Ellis' brigade, it isn't a personal attack on the man, it is the simple fact that we know - and he has proved - that he is not the man to take this club forward.
The questions put to Mr Ellis by myself and a few other excellent shareholders, were mostly deflected or answered in incomprehensible ways.
I asked Mr Ellis, as he had a vested interest in any approaches, if he would leave the negotiations to others. He said no. One of the only times he did give a straight answer.
I also asked him if he would stand down and take up an honouree role immediately. Again, he said no. You would expect nothing more of a man clinging to power for his benefit and not the benefit of the club that has slowly dragged away from its once fine standing.
I also asked him how long, at his age and in such ill health, he actually intended to go on. He tried not to answer, Hales made some comment that made no sense, so I asked again. How long did he intend to continue. Again, he would not give a straight answer. I didn't consider it a complicated question in all fairness. But like a great many things that happen at Villa, Mr Ellis appears to have no forward thinking projections or plans. That frightens me greatly.
We were also told about the league attendance averages etc. This information was nothing to do with the business at hand. I asked Mr Ellis not to compare us to Leeds during the meeting, to maybe look at Arsenal as a model instead. That fell on deaf ears and Mr Ellis did indeed use Leeds as an example, and many groans from the audience was the result. We were told by Mr Stride that we couldn't just compete with the likes of Arsenal because of our losses, what they didn't seem aware of is it was that very board that created the losses and are responsible for the financial inadequacies we have. We may have no debt, but we also have no profits or cashflow, we do in fact sail very close to the wind finance wise, no matter what they tell us, this is not a well run business.
Another shareholder asked how much of a sell on fee we got when Southampton sold Crouch to Liverpool. He said we sold an England International for £2million, so you will obviously have put a sell on clause in. The answer came back as a no. The shareholder said that on that very point they should resign and that their incompetence had cost the business millions of pounds. Steve Stride said something about 'in hindsight'. You have to ask how long these people have been involved in the business of football? And yet they still don't know what they are doing? This too should frighten you. It is little wonder we have no dividends, no profits and very little cashflow.
On the re-election of Mr Doug Ellis, by a show of hands, he was defeated. Mr Peter Ellis was also defeated in his attempt to be re-elected. Both matters will be reversed by a poll vote.
By the end, I believe there were just two resolutions left, I decided I had had enough of the spin and bluster. I stood and said that I had been sitting there listening and it dawned on me how appropriate that the backdrop was shrouded in black, because the current board of Aston Villa are killing this club. I said I had had enough of the spin and bluster, that there was no point in staying, and that I was walking out. A few others followed.
In conclusion? If people don't come forward and genuinely bid - please note at the moment there is no official bid in, just an approach and enquiry - then the club both on the field and on the accountants sheets, will continue to stagnate or fall behind our competitors. I did question Mr Ellis whether he had confused the Champions League with the Championship. He didn't answer, but if we continue down the road we are on, that quip could just become reality.
It is also amazing to think, that whilst they leave the club in limbo once more in not bringing in a Chief Exec or Financial Director - as they said a staff revue isn't appropriate whilst we are potentially under offer - that they can still announce the long delayed £8million re-development of Bodymoor Heath. This development was asked for during John Gregory's reign and Graham Taylor did a huge amount of work towards it. So why delay this long? Any how can you sanction that sort of spending if you are expecting an offer? It works both ways. Maybe this means the offer is actually acceptable and that those who are putting the proposal forward have sanctioned it. OR maybe it means the offer will disappear within a month. Lets hope it is the former.
Or was it another way to try to show us that the club is developing, the way the board spoke you would think they were a new group in. They spoke as if they hadn't allowed Bodymoor to fall into such disrepair in the first place (we are years behind the facilities of even small clubs like Charlton). Worrying times indeed. Mr Ellis said the changes were needed for the training facilities because Bodymoor had become 'a little tired'. That isn't the only thing at Villa that is past its sell by date and is 'a little tired' Mr Ellis. We can but hope the offer is a) acceptable for the future of Aston Villa b) accepted. Many fans and shareholders have their doubts. Prove us wrong.
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who ever made that comment about crouch is a complete idiot. At the time myself and many others thought that we'd done well getting £2 million for him.
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What an absolutely cracking letter from Jon Fear. Bravo.
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Thanks for posting that up Pete, but I still think that the decision to walk out was at best ill judged. In the real world we all have to sit through meetings and listen to things that we disagree with or we don't want to hear. If our reaction is a theatrical flounce then that is what will be remembered not the case we tried to present.
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... can't complain when the debate is not entirely supportive. If a 33 page thread somewhere else produced a largely pro-VFC opinion, you'd welcome it.
Sure. No argument there.
I know we've debated VFC's membership before. That's because we've never had an answer.
Yes you have. The same as the one I gave above.
How many members? How many supporters?
Oh no, not again ;)
There are no "members" None. Nada, zilch, rien.
Like, I dunno, maybe the Anti-Nazi league, the countryside alliance, those fat blokes in trucks (Petrol protestors) and many other pressure groups, there are a core of organisers and an unquantifiable number of people who support. Thousands have taken leaflets, hundreds have donated towards costs, hundreds came to the meetings at the leisure centre. Taking another tack, 2 websites have a largely "pro" readership and one a, er, more negative readership. The mailing list is more "pro" than anti. On all 4 there are a wide range of views though, from very supportive, through indifferent, to very aggressively anti. Perhaps the silent indifferent lot are the biggest single body, I just don't know.
As for constructive criticism being welcomed, please don't insult my intelligence. VFC and most of their camp followers have never been able to accept either criticism or a different viewpoint. That's the main gripe I have with them.
I have no wish to insult you or your intelligence, Dave, I guess we just perceive things differently.
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There are some good points for discussion, but this is Bollox.
Another shareholder asked how much of a sell on fee we got when Southampton sold Crouch to Liverpool. He said we sold an England International for £2million, so you will obviously have put a sell on clause in. The answer came back as a no. The shareholder said that on that very point they should resign and that their incompetence had cost the business millions of pounds. Steve Stride said something about 'in hindsight'. You have to ask how long these people have been involved in the business of football? And yet they still don't know what they are doing? This too should frighten you. It is little wonder we have no dividends, no profits and very little cashflow.
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Okay, on another tack. What groups comprise VFC's 'umbrella'?
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Does the ST represent Villa supporters?
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If that is an accurate account of events at the AGM then I too if I had been the questioner would have walked out.
What is the point of an AGM if pertinent questions such as those raised are to be either dismissed or fudged over? Those same questions could have been put forward by any share holder, the fact that it was Jonathen Fear or the VFC who may or may not have a personal vendetta against Ellis is irrelevant. The board have shown nothing but contempt for it's fellow share holders.
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Those same questions could have been put forward by any share holder,
Or even a Trust.
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If that is an accurate account of events at the AGM then I too if I had been the questioner would have walked out.
What is the point of an AGM if pertinent questions such as those raised are to be either dismissed or fudged over? Those same questions could have been put forward by any share holder, the fact that it was Jonathen Fear or the VFC who may or may not have a personal vendetta against Ellis is irrelevant. The board have shown nothing but contempt for it's fellow share holders.
I've been to the last 20 (I think) AGMs, and at every one the board has either declined to answer, or given answers which the questioner has thought inadequate. I would imagine that most AGMs, whatever the company, are much the same. No-one has ever walked out of an AGM before because they didn't like what was being said, and to do so was, I believe, counter-productive. It was also highly discourteous to the Shareholders Association members whose interests their chairman is elected to represent, but as I've been informed I'm not welcome in their organisation, that doesn't overly bother me.
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Thanks for posting that up Pete, but I still think that the decision to walk out was at best ill judged..[etc]...
I can understand that, Chris. There are two ways of looking at it. One is that the walk-out will distract attention from the good questions asked.
Another is that the questions were unanswered, and that actually it's the answers that are the important thing. With the answers being largely unforthcoming, JF may have distracted from the impression that he asked some pertinent questions etc, but I think the point he wanted to make was that the questions were ducked and unanswered - the walk out was meant to underline this point. Perhaps it didn't work. Certainly it didn't in your eyes. Fair comment.
You learn by experience. I hope there's no "next time"
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You could pick various parts out. You really could.
He said we sold an England International for £2million, so you will obviously have put a sell on clause in.
Spot the deliberate error.
I don't know who raised that point - if he had said, "England U-21 with potential", then you couldn't disagree. But he lied.
And all effect is gone. What was the point in the question in that case?
Its like the VFC release saying we spent 900k on Dj-Dj when we clearly didn't. Why over-egg the pudding there?
I also don't get why they make the point with the "that will be overturned in the poll" as we know that it will. That's kind of how it works with one or two groups holding a large amount of the shares. ](*,)
Its all I've ever seen from this angle. 70, 80% of it works but the people doing the shouting have no idea how to take it the last step. Which is quite ironic for Villa fans, really.
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Does the ST represent Villa supporters?
It represents its members whose views it seeks on a regular basis and, yes, I would image that 100% of them are Villa fans.
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...but I think the point he wanted to make was that the questions were ducked and unanswered - the walk out was meant to underline this point.
That’s very odd because I read a quote directly from Fear saying that he walked as he had to be elsewhere.
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I've been to the last 20 (I think) AGMs, and at every one the board has either declined to answer, or given answers which the questioner has thought inadequate. I would imagine that most AGMs, whatever the company, are much the same. No-one has ever walked out of an AGM before because they didn't like what was being said, and to do so was, I believe, counter-productive. It was also highly discourteous to the Shareholders Association members whose interests their chairman is elected to represent, but as I've been informed I'm not welcome in their organisation, that doesn't overly bother me.
I'm thinking about since we've been a PLC. So the last 8 years would concern me. I'm not a share holder of AVFC PLC, but if you put the football aside and look at it as Aston Villa the company then the board of directors should be willing to answer questions regarding the running of the company, if I had invested in that company I'd like to be certain that my investment was being looked after. If I was treated with contempt then I'd have to consider removing that investment as I would have little faith in those in charge of it.
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Can I ask one simple question, after 35 pages of threads
Villa is a business, that at its AGM's does not breach any companies act requirements. Why do the board need to respond to a small shareholder like Fear, he has no financial clout with the club?
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If I was treated with contempt then I'd have to consider removing that investment as I would have little faith in those in charge of it.
Maybe that’s partly a factor in the contempt.
Let’s face it, “answer my point Doug or I’m selling my shares” is hardly on a par with waking up with a thoroughbred’s head in your bed, is it?
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...but I think the point he wanted to make was that the questions were ducked and unanswered - the walk out was meant to underline this point.
That’s very odd because I read a quote directly from Fear saying that he walked as he had to be elsewhere.
He said on the mailing list that he has another meeting to attend.
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You could pick various parts out. You really could.
He said we sold an England International for £2million, so you will obviously have put a sell on clause in.
I don't know who raised that point
Nor me, but JF's report is of the whole AGM (or at least the 98% of it he witnessed) not just VFC's part in it.
Its like the VFC release saying we spent 900k on Dj-Dj when we clearly didn't. Why over-egg the pudding there?
That was me/my "fault". The reason I did that was because the statement to the stock market said that the fee was 950K in the Jan window, with other payments dependent upon appearances and so on.
Maybe I took the wrong approach. I know as recent example shows, that Ellis includes wages over the contract, bonuses, appearance fees, absolutely everything in the "I spent" figure.
I feel this is misleading, and that the spend at a given time is the money that's just gone out of the bank - ie the 900K or whatever it was, in Jan for E D-D.
Perhaps both ways are wrong, and I should have said, the club has just spent 900k with a further 250K in june, plus a further 250 after 25 appearances, plus a further 250 K after another..etc... which could potentially add up to 1.7 million (or whatever the figure was, I can't be arsed looking it up again). But the PRs were often criticised for being too long anyway.
Ellis wants to portray himself as very generous and a benefactor etc. VFC feels that the reality is the exact opposite.
I know some people said it was disingenuous, others felt it was good. Again, it's something where despite some claims to the opposite, the criticism was taken. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I understand it and we can learn from it.
I also don't get why they make the point with the "that will be overturned in the poll" as we know that it will. That's kind of how it works with one or two groups holding a large amount of the shares. ](*,)
You may know that BW, but not everyone reading JF's report will have done...
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...but I think the point he wanted to make was that the questions were ducked and unanswered - the walk out was meant to underline this point.
That’s very odd because I read a quote directly from Fear saying that he walked as he had to be elsewhere.
He said on the mailing list that he has another meeting to attend.
Somebody's telling fibs.
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If I was treated with contempt then I'd have to consider removing that investment as I would have little faith in those in charge of it.
Maybe that’s partly a factor in the contempt.
Let’s face it, “answer my point Doug or I’m selling my shares” is hardly on a par with waking up with a thoroughbred’s head in your bed, is it?
Don't get giving VFC ideas, you could be incited for Mu-der!
I'm aware there might be history with Mr Fear and the board. Do you think that had these same questions come from another source ie, someone with a £250,000 invested there may have been answers?
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Again, it's something where despite some claims to the opposite, the criticism was taken
http://listman.net/archives/villa/2005-October/061553.html
The last couple of sentences in the third paragraph of his reply was a particularly fine acceptance of criticism, I think.
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...but I think the point he wanted to make was that the questions were ducked and unanswered - the walk out was meant to underline this point.
That’s very odd because I read a quote directly from Fear saying that he walked as he had to be elsewhere.
Somebody's telling fibs.
Or someobody can't read.
What JF actually said on the list was
As for walking out....I had another meeting after and decided the spin and bluster was beyond a joke and that I may as well get off...I have every right to do what I wish. Attend, not attend, ask questions, not ask questions, leave early, stay late...
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Thanks for the replies.
You may know that BW, but not everyone reading JF's report will have done...
He makes it appear like Ellis is faking(?), fudging(?) the vote. That Ellis has no right to win the poll. Whereas, he and one or two others have the rightly acquired ability to use their votes in the way they chose.
As with the Dj-Dj case, people will find this disingeneous.
If you have the arguments and if you hold the facts, why do you want to falsely improve your argument?
Its the same as the various now-gospel stories that originate from myths.
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Laughing Gravity wrote:
Does the ST represent Villa supporters?
Oscar Goldman wrote:
It represents its members whose views it seeks on a regular basis and, yes, I would image that 100% of them are Villa fans
That was not the question. Surely it is a very tiny minority of Villa supporters and can not claim to speak for them.
Actually it doesn't speak, it's like a dead sheep.
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How's the statue fund progressing that the Trust don't keep banging on about?
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Again, it's something where despite some claims to the opposite, the criticism was taken
http://listman.net/archives/villa/2005-October/061553.html
The last couple of sentences in the third paragraph of his reply was a particularly fine acceptance of criticism, I think.
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At first glance.
But I tell you what, as you've now cited this example twice - the first time claiming it as evidence that this is how Jon responds to anyone who "criticises" Why don't you quote the "criticism" and why don't you explain why the response to a single "slagging off" from one person equates to a response to "anyone" who criticises?
Either way, selecting one post from someone tends to lose overall context.
I'm sure almost everyone on this board, for example, has at some point responded in kind to some "comment". I know you have. To then use that single response to claim "this is what he always says to anyone who criticises" is at best a cheap, personal, shot.
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Laughing Gravity wrote:
Does the ST represent Villa supporters?
Oscar Goldman wrote:
It represents its members whose views it seeks on a regular basis and, yes, I would image that 100% of them are Villa fans
That was not the question. Surely it is a very tiny minority of Villa supporters and can not claim to speak for them.
Actually it doesn't speak, it's like a dead sheep.
However small or otherwise if they are it's members it can claim to speak for them, but then if it doesn't even do that you've nothing to worry about.
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However small or otherwise if they are it's members it can claim to speak for them, but then if it doesn't even do that you've nothing to worry about.
Small I think. And totally ineffective. And very very very quiet. Ssssh!
Have they ever given the impression they speak for Villa supporters in general? Just wondering.
"Why can't VFC be more like the Supporters Trust" is the line some people here follow. Well if you're into doing and saying nothing then great.
The Trust is almost as insignificant in numbers as VFC, I don't care how they are made up. Everyone has the right to a voice. I like what Jon Fear says. Good luck to him.
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Laughing Gravity wrote:
Does the ST represent Villa supporters?
Oscar Goldman wrote:
It represents its members whose views it seeks on a regular basis and, yes, I would image that 100% of them are Villa fans
That was not the question.
It may well have not been the question you actually wanted to ask but it was indeed the question.
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Only in pedantworld.
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Or someobody can't read.
Someobody (sic) certainly has problems writing.
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Only in pedantworld.
And also in Thickoworld it seems.
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So you admit it doesn't represent very many of all Villa supporters. What right have they to say anything on their behalf?
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However small or otherwise if they are it's members it can claim to speak for them, but then if it doesn't even do that you've nothing to worry about.
Small I think. And totally ineffective. And very very very quiet. Ssssh!
Have they ever given the impression they speak for Villa supporters in general? Just wondering.
"Why can't VFC be more like the Supporters Trust" is the line some people here follow. Well if you're into doing and saying nothing then great.
The Trust is almost as insignificant in numbers as VFC, I don't care how they are made up. Everyone has the right to a voice. I like what Jon Fear says. Good luck to him.
Everyone has a right to a voice. Absolutely. Of course those that don't agree with that voice have the same right to voice their disagreement. Particularly if an impression is allowed to flourish that the voice has a wider mandate.
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So you admit it doesn't represent very many of all Villa supporters. What right have they to say anything on their behalf?
Is that what they do?
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Particularly if an impression is allowed to flourish that the voice has a wider mandate.
Like the Trust?
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Is that what they do?
That's the impression that's allowed to florish.
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Exactly who are VFC?
VFC and most of their camp followers
I assume they're the ones wearing the pinky/purple Villa shirts from a few seasons back.
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Is that what they do?
That's the impression that's allowed to florish.
Where?
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Where?
The clue is in the name.
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Where?
The clue is in the name.
What other name do you think would be more appropriate for the Supporters’ Trust (as established by an Act of Parliament) that is associated with Aston Villa?
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So you admit it doesn't represent very many of all Villa supporters. What right have they to say anything on their behalf?
Oscar and Chris can't seem to get through to you (Through no fault of their own, I might add) so I'll have a go. The ST does NOT claim to say anything on behalf of all supporters. It represents its members. And only its members.
That is linked to the perceived problem with VFC, which is that no-one knows who they represent (beyond whoever has written the press releases and those who publicly support them, which is a small number of people). And they give the impression (deliberately or accidentally, through their profile in the press) of representing an umbrella group of fans' organisations. maybe it's the 'combined' bit of the name that does it.
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Where?
The clue is in the name.
No it isn't.
If you think that the Trust is claiming that it is representative as all supporters than that's quite a serious accusation that I assume you will back up with evidence.
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Cobblers.
An ST press release...
Press release issued on 27th June.
The Aston Villa Supporters Trust have reacted cautiously to reports of a possible takeover bid for the club. As the largest democratic supporters organisation, the Trust are prepared to meet any bidders to discuss their plans and objectives, and to ascertain whether they provide the guarantees that it is in the supporters interest, for the Trust to support any approach.
We believe that any bid should not lead to the removal of supporter involvement via ownership, although we accept that a takeover may lead to the PLC going private. The Trust is committed to supporter involvement and we urge any bidder to take this into account.
With or without the bid, Aston Villa PLC remains in a similar position to Manchester United pre-Glazier. In order to protect their interests, we urge supporters to galvanise now by joining the Trust to ensure strong representation in dialogue with bidders and Board and to ensure that supporter shareholding is safeguarded.
Don't give me the bullshit. Who said they could act in "supporters interest"?
They are just a slightly bigger but much quieter VFC, not happy that VFC get more attention then they do.
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Cobblers.
Don't give me the bullshit.
Steady on Laughing gravy.
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Laughing gravy
I love that little dog. He's long dead now though.
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"They are just a slightly bigger but much quieter VFC, not happy that VFC get more attention then they do".
Very strange thing to say that gravity. It almost implies a level of insecurity from both groups.
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Cobblers.
An ST press release...
Press release issued on 27th June.
The Aston Villa Supporters Trust have reacted cautiously to reports of a possible takeover bid for the club. As the largest democratic supporters organisation, the Trust are prepared to meet any bidders to discuss their plans and objectives, and to ascertain whether they provide the guarantees that it is in the supporters interest, for the Trust to support any approach.
We believe that any bid should not lead to the removal of supporter involvement via ownership, although we accept that a takeover may lead to the PLC going private. The Trust is committed to supporter involvement and we urge any bidder to take this into account.
With or without the bid, Aston Villa PLC remains in a similar position to Manchester United pre-Glazier. In order to protect their interests, we urge supporters to galvanise now by joining the Trust to ensure strong representation in dialogue with bidders and Board and to ensure that supporter shareholding is safeguarded.
Don't give me the bullshit. Who said they could act in "supporters interest"?
They are just a slightly bigger but much quieter VFC, not happy that VFC get more attention then they do.
I'm not really sure what you are saying, but that release is saying that the Trust would be willing to meet with potential bidders so that it can decide whether their aims are consistent with those of the Trust. If they are then it, on behalf of it's members who are Villa supporters, would consider supporting them.
The bit about the attention received is also disingenuous because it was you who mentioned the Trust.
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At first glance.
But I tell you what, as you've now cited this example twice - the first time claiming it as evidence that this is how Jon responds to anyone who "criticises" Why don't you quote the "criticism" and why don't you explain why the response to a single "slagging off" from one person equates to a response to "anyone" who criticises?
Because it wasn't a single attack at one person, rather it was how he described anyone who disagreed with him at the meeting. If it were the first time such a thing had been said, it would be more understandable, but it wasn't. VFC and its members/supporters has a tendency to belittle and/or abuse anyone with a differing view.
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I’ve criticised both groups in my time but only VFC supporters react hysterically – indeed it’s almost as if somebody’s pissed on their chips.
Laughing Gravity’s clearly an energetic and enthusiastic supporter of VFC so, if he can bear to be relieved of the anonymity of hiding behind a keyboard, he should put his money where his mouse is and give Fear the help he so obviously needs.
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Chris,
whether they provide the guarantees that it is in the supporters interest
The Trust are deciding "the supporters interest"
That is a self-appointed. The Trust is really a very small number of people.
Egos, it's all about egos.
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We believe that any bid should not lead to the removal of supporter involvement via ownership, although we accept that a takeover may lead to the PLC going private
If a takeover does end up with the club being in private hands, what then for the Trust?
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Laughing Gravity’s clearly an energetic and enthusiastic supporter of VFC so, if he can bear to be relieved of the anonymity of hiding behind a keyboard, he should put his money where his mouse is and give Fear the help he so obviously needs.
He doesn't need any help. It's not that kind of group.
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If a takeover does end up with the club being in private hands, what then for the Trust?
I expect they'll go on speaking for the supporters.
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Laughing Gravity’s clearly an energetic and enthusiastic supporter of VFC so, if he can bear to be relieved of the anonymity of hiding behind a keyboard, he should put his money where his mouse is and give Fear the help he so obviously needs.
He doesn't need any help. It's not that kind of group.
What's not what kind of group?
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Quoting Pete Bland:
We've done this loads of times before. It's not a membership organisation. There are no members cards, joining fee etc. It's not "democratic" It's a pressure group.
If that's the case then can I start issuing press releases calling myself a VFC spokesman then? As long as if covers a vague 'Ellis Out' subject, then surely I have as much right as anyone to issue one, no?
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Chris,
whether they provide the guarantees that it is in the supporters interest
The Trust are deciding "the supporters interest"
That is a self-appointed. The Trust is really a very small number of people.
Egos, it's all about egos.
It then goes on to explain what it means by supporter interest:
We believe that any bid should not lead to the removal of supporter involvement via ownership, although we accept that a takeover may lead to the PLC going private. The Trust is committed to supporter involvement and we urge any bidder to take this into account.
Which is soemthing that Trust members (and I'll declare an interest here) have been given the opportunity to vote on.
It's easy to pretend that it's all about egos, it saves having to answer the difficult questions.
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If that's the case then can I start issuing press releases calling myself a VFC spokesman then? As long as if covers a vague 'Ellis Out' subject, then surely I have as much right as anyone to issue one, no?
Someone is catching on.
Give it a try.
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Laughing Gravity’s clearly an energetic and enthusiastic supporter of VFC so, if he can bear to be relieved of the anonymity of hiding behind a keyboard, he should put his money where his mouse is and give Fear the help he so obviously needs.
He doesn't need any help. It's not that kind of group.
How do you know he doesn't need help?
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Which is soemthing that Trust members (and I'll declare an interest here) have been given the opportunity to vote on.
I don't care how many of the small number of ST members voted on it, you don't speak for all Villa supporters. You hardly speak for any of them.
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Quoting Pete Bland:
We've done this loads of times before. It's not a membership organisation. There are no members cards, joining fee etc. It's not "democratic" It's a pressure group.
If that's the case then can I start issuing press releases calling myself a VFC spokesman then?
Yes, anyone can.
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"On behalf of the non-democratic, non-hierarchical pressure group Villa Fans Combined I would like it to be noted by the media that we still don't like Doug Ellis.
David Houghton
VFC Spokesman
PS Ellis Out"
I'll whack that over to Reuters now then.
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Come on, Gravity, exactly what kind of group is VFC and why are you so unwilling to help it?
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Which is soemthing that Trust members (and I'll declare an interest here) have been given the opportunity to vote on.
I don't care how many of the small number of ST members voted on it, you don't speak for all Villa supporters. You hardly speak for any of them.
Where has anyone claimed to "speak on behalf of all Villa supporters". The Trust having a view that something is not, in their opinion, in the interests of supporters is not the same as being a Villa Fans Chief.
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Where has anyone claimed to "speak on behalf of all Villa supporters".
You read the press release.
The Trust having a view that something is not, in their opinion, in the interests of supporters is not the same as being a Villa Fans chief
really?
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Where has anyone claimed to "speak on behalf of all Villa supporters". The Trust having a view that something is not, in their opinion, in the interests of supporters is not the same as being a Villa Fans Chief.
Which is something that Jon Fear has never referred to himself as. Although to follow the reasoning given for the Trust's statement, it could be argued that he's the "chief" of the fans he represents.
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Come on, Gravity, exactly what kind of group is VFC and why are you so unwilling to help it?
They are what they are and they are doing alright without my help. I've got my own group to look after.
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That's stuffed you Woodhall.
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I agree with Laughing Gravity. The Trust PR does appear to be claiming that the Trust wishes to decide whether...good for ALL supporters.
It may not be what was intended to be said, but it's how it comes across. Honestly, it does.
I don't mind. Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so, they are doing something they believe in. I used to be a member and am not against the principle of supporters trusts.
I suspect that they may be (OK definitely are) pissing in the wind as far as their stated aim, while Ellis is in place. I suspect they know it.
I like the outbreaks of straightforwardness when they say Ellis should go.
I'm less impressed when they, or their (exec) members say "I believe it would be in the best interests of the club for Ellis to remain in place..." as they did not so long ago.
But it's a free world.
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Come on, Gravity, exactly what kind of group is VFC and why are you so unwilling to help it?
They are what they are...
Well, that’s illuminating although I’m sure it does actually sum up everything you really know about VFC.
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Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so
Does it? is it true that some didn't renew their membership this time round and were ceremoniously dumped?
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Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so
Does it? is it true that some didn't renew their membership this time round and were ceremoniously dumped?
What sort of ceremony do you imagine was involved?
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Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so
Does it? is it true that some didn't renew their membership this time round and were ceremoniously dumped?
Yes. They didn't renew and were - shock! horror!! - no longer members. Oh, the outrage!!!
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Where has anyone claimed to "speak on behalf of all Villa supporters". The Trust having a view that something is not, in their opinion, in the interests of supporters is not the same as being a Villa Fans Chief.
Which is something that Jon Fear has never referred to himself as. Although to follow the reasoning given for the Trust's statement, it could be argued that he's the "chief" of the fans he represents.
I know that Risso, but as I posted 80 pages back I don't think enough has been done to correct that view and it detracts from their credibility in my eyes. If they get misrepresented once then that's fair enough, but to allow it to keep happening leaves them open to the criticism that will inevitably follow.
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Yes. They didn't renew and were - shock! horror!! - no longer members. Oh, the outrage!!!
So is ST membership on the increase or decline?
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What sort of ceremony do you imagine was involved?
Did they have the collars ripped from their 80/81 replica shirts and slapped across the cheeks with a three year old copy of H&V?
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Pete,
As you claim to always answer sensible questions, you will no doubt have missed rather than ignored the one earlier which asked: Which groups lie under the umbrella of VFC?
I'll refrain from trawling for the ones of mine you've missed just on this thread.
Hey Mr Gravity (or may I call you Laughing as I bet your Christening was a blast). The Supporters' Trust claims to speak on behalf of an obvious, concrete, known group of people, namely its members. That is both implicit and explicit in their press releases. (Ask for help if you can't follow). But I agree with you that Jon Fear and VFC don't claim to speak for all Villa fans. It did claim knowledge of shareholders views a couple of PRs back although I'm sure that was poor language rather than big ego. I wish people would stop beating them over the head with the "fans' chief" stuff so they didn't have the hurt and offended route of avoiding questions.
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I know that Risso, but as I posted 80 pages back I don't think enough has been done to correct that view and it detracts from their credibility in my eyes. If they get misrepresented once then that's fair enough, but to allow it to keep happening leaves them open to the criticism that will inevitably follow.
I only ever remember seeing the term "Fans' Chief" in one piece, and read on another site that Jon was embarrassed by it.
I think that most people are intelligent enough to work out that when a group is mentioned, it doen't necessarily mean all fans agree with that point of view.
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(or may I call you Laughing as I bet your Christening was a blast).
I was circumcised by a Russian Rabbi in Stoke.
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Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so
Does it? is it true that some didn't renew their membership this time round and were ceremoniously dumped?
Yes. They didn't renew and were - shock! horror!! - no longer members. Oh, the outrage!!!
I can't find my form.....
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I only ever remember seeing the term "Fans' Chief" in one piece, and read on another site that Jon was embarrassed by it.
He might be embarassed by it, but he doesn't do anything to prevent it from happening. I do wish VFC would realise that when you've got nothing to say, the best course is to say nothing. Then again, we wouldn't have these pleasant little debates if they did.
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He might be embarassed by it, but he doesn't do anything to prevent it from happening. I do wish VFC would realise that when you've got nothing to say, the best course is to say nothing. Then again, we wouldn't have these pleasant little debates if they did.
It happened once that I've seen. You're positive Jon knew that's what the journo in question was going to write before he printed it, and did nothing to stop it?
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I know that Risso, but as I posted 80 pages back I don't think enough has been done to correct that view and it detracts from their credibility in my eyes. If they get misrepresented once then that's fair enough, but to allow it to keep happening leaves them open to the criticism that will inevitably follow.
I only ever remember seeing the term "Fans' Chief" in one piece, and read on another site that Jon was embarrassed by it.
I think that most people are intelligent enough to work out that when a group is mentioned, it doen't necessarily mean all fans agree with that point of view.
I'll say this quickly in case Simon tells me off. That particular term might only have been used once, but they are often misrepresented as 'an umbrella group for all supporters organisations' or similar. That's not true and they should make it clear to the press people that they deal with just who they represent. Then we might have an idea too.
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So is ST membership on the increase or decline?
I think we have a right to know.
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I can't find my form.....
I never had a renewal form either.
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It happened once that I've seen. You're positive Jon knew that's what the journo in question was going to write before he printed it, and did nothing to stop it?
I doubt very much that he knew what said journo was going to write - the first time. Has he spoken to him since?
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I doubt very much that he knew what said journo was going to write - the first time. Has he spoken to him since?
I don't know. Has the term "Fans' chief" been used since?
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So is ST membership on the increase or decline?
I think we have a right to know.
have the members voted with their feet?
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have the members voted with their feet?
Surely only Christy Brown could do that.
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(or may I call you Laughing as I bet your Christening was a blast).
I was circumcised by a Russian Rabbi in Stoke.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but he cut off the wrong bit.
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I agree with Laughing Gravity. The Trust PR does appear to be claiming that the Trust wishes to decide whether...good for ALL supporters.
It may not be what was intended to be said, but it's how it comes across. Honestly, it does.
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I read it as the ST being keen that all supporters retain the right to be shareholders if the club goes private. Arguing that supporters should have that right is not the same as claiming to speak for all supporters, IMO.
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I agree with Laughing Gravity. The Trust PR does appear to be claiming that the Trust wishes to decide whether...good for ALL supporters.
It may not be what was intended to be said, but it's how it comes across. Honestly, it does.
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I read it as the ST being keen that all supporters retain the right to be shareholders if the club goes private.
I don't think that's what they were getting at, as it's impossible.
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(or may I call you Laughing as I bet your Christening was a blast).
I was circumcised by a Russian Rabbi in Stoke.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but he cut off the wrong bit.
Straight in at this week's Number One...
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I'll say this quickly in case Simon tells me off. That particular term might only have been used once, but they are often misrepresented as 'an umbrella group for all supporters organisations' or similar. That's not true and they should make it clear to the press people that they deal with just who they represent. Then we might have an idea too.
You're a very naughty... oh fck it.
Pete Bland said:
It's a pressure group. A group of people backed by many more, putting forward a particular viewpoint. VFC doesn't represent all villa fans and has never claimed to do so.
So who's in the group? Who's in the backers?
I did find this while I was being dull (http://www.villafc.com/PR_20030618.html)
It is two years old but I just randomly clicked on a PR in the list. It states:
VFC (Villa Fans Combined)
VFC is an umbrella group that includes independent websites such as Holteenders.com (Mike Field), VillaTalk.com (Peter Bosworth and John Cresswell), astonished etc, Navid Nazir of Avisa, The Aston Villa Shareholders Association, Jonathan Fear and a long list of supporters from all sections of the Villa community.
Is it still the case?
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Seeing as it's sticking around, can somebody edit the thread title and remove the ALL CAPS please? It's doing my head in.
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Why is the ST being so secretive about its membership numbers?
Are they up or down?
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I’m not sure to which section of the Villa community I belong.
Is there an enthusiastic supporter of the team section?
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Is there an enthusiastic supporter of the team section?
Now that group does seem to be dwindling.
Navid Nazir of Avisa
Would that be Old Blue Nose Naz?
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I only ever remember seeing the term "Fans' Chief" in one piece, and read on another site that Jon was embarrassed by it.
Even if I believe that that was his only feeling, how long was it before he spoke to the tosser that wrote it again?
I think it was less that 2 weeks.
That's how embarressed and outraged he was. =;
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Did the term get used again by the same journo?
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Did the term get used again by the same journo?
Can't remember. He always writes using the generic term "Villa Fans" as in "Villa Fans Think Ellis Smells". There's probably very little Jon Fear can do about it and as the hack in question writes the copy which appears on all the outlets in which VFC gets mentioned, I'm sure it will continue. The alternative is probably no press coverage, unless John Curtis can be encouraged to write "Fans Group".
Now, does that list of two years ago still apply?
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The list from the website, largely applies - VFC is an "amalgamation" of shareholders and supporters seems a pretty fair description to me. Given that there are no actual members as such. I'm sure we've done this one before. If only the website didn't keep changing and disappearing we could all just do that "I refer the gentleman to the naswer I gave 6 months, 12 months, 18 months etc ago.
When VFC was set up, as you know I wasn't involved at that time, so won't comment on the original "description" and have no wish to go over old ground again, as entertaining as it may be for some.
Sorry for the delay, I haven't read every post on this very long thread, nor am I going to.
Also I have a life*/pathetic existence sustained only by a loathing of Ellis and inability to take on board any criticism or comment* to lead.
*delete as suits your preconcieved view.
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Also I have a pathetic existence sustained only by a loathing of Ellis and inability to take on board any criticism or comment to lead.
Have you asked Risso’s permission?
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The list from the website, largely applies
Pete, it may seem petty to you. Indeed, it may be petty for some, but I don't ask to score points. If for no other reason, VFC should be concerned about openness because the lack of it is one of the sticks used to beat Doug.
VillaTalk and John Cresswell claim not to be anything to do with VFC (save the former having more pro posters than, say, H&V and the latter generally agreeing). I have no reason to doubt them. So does "largely" mean everyone on the list except VillaTalk/JC?
Bearing in mind VFC's existence is solely a mediated one, do you not see the importance of this?
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I can't find my form.....
I never had a renewal form either.
I did get one, I just put it with stuff to do, like my renewal of membership for the Institute of Maths and its Applications..........
I'll get me coat.
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I agree with Laughing Gravity. The Trust PR does appear to be claiming that the Trust wishes to decide whether...good for ALL supporters.
It may not be what was intended to be said, but it's how it comes across. Honestly, it does.
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I read it as the ST being keen that all supporters retain the right to be shareholders if the club goes private.
I don't think that's what they were getting at, as it's impossible.
No it isn't, I hold shares in Tamworth FC, they are not a PLC, their shares are not quoted on the stock exchange but I am still a shareholder.
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I wrote to Jonathan Fear back in march and asked if he got permission for using Terry's name in the leaflets they handed out, to quote his reply "I am not answerable to people like you.", so I wrote and asked again and he replied "I couldn't care what you want. I don't trust you, I don't like you and I don't answer to you."
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Can I have a synopsis of this thread? 40+ pages is a lot to go through!!
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Can I have a synopsis of this thread? 40+ pages is a lot to go through!!
Sure: wank, tits, shit, fuck, bollocks, ******.
That just about does it.
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(http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfu6.jpg)
That's better! \:D/
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Actually, don't mind me, I was just tittering at that image when I found it.
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Great pic! Is it RH (JOKE Rich!!)?
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I’m not sure to which section of the Villa community I belong...
Somewhere on the right wing? I'm sure they'll care for you there.
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Did the Supporters Trust ask any questions at the AGM? If so what were they?
And am I right in thinking that the £50,000 for the William McGregor Statue has to be totally raised by the Trust? How is that fund going? What is the club contributing? The space to put it on? Also am I right in thinking that the Board just awarded themselves a bonus of £50,000 each?
It's a strange world.
Are the Trust actually doing anything interesting at the moment?
How many fully paid up members are there?
How many were at the last AGM?
I think the Trust is a good idea, I'm just trying to gauge its moral superiority over anyone else to have a say.
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I’m not sure to which section of the Villa community I belong...
Somewhere on the right wing? I'm sure they'll care for you there.
I’m not really sure what that means but does anyone else get the impression that Blandy’s stuck in a 1970s time warp?
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Did the Supporters Trust ask any questions at the AGM? If so what were they?
And am I right in thinking that the £50,000 for the William McGregor Statue has to be totally raised by the Trust? How is that fund going? What is the club contributing? The space to put it on? Also am I right in thinking that the Board just awarded themselves a bonus of £50,000 each?
It's a strange world.
Are the Trust actually doing anything interesting at the moment?
How many fully paid up members are there?
How many were at the last AGM?
I think the Trust is a good idea, I'm just trying to gauge its moral superiority over anyone else to have a say.
What do you mean by moral superiority, it's a strange concept to attach to any organisation of football supporters. Does this mean that in your version of the world there is some sort of league table of morality?
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Where has anyone claimed to "speak on behalf of all Villa supporters". The Trust having a view that something is not, in their opinion, in the interests of supporters is not the same as being a Villa Fans Chief.
If VFC speak then people accuse them of saying they are speaking on behalf of all Villa supporters, which is something I've never seen them claim. A spokesman for the trust could easily be described as a "Villa fans chief" and it still wouldn't make me think they were claiming to represent all Villa fans either.
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Tony that is the most sensible post on this whole thread (just spent 20 minutes looking at the latest).
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What do you mean by moral superiority, it's a strange concept to attach to any organisation of football supporters. Does this mean that in your version of the world there is some sort of league table of morality?
I mean some people think the ST have more right to speak for the fans then VFC. I'm saying that isn't true.
How many fully paid up ST members are there and how many were at the last AGM?
How is the statue fund going? Why can't they persuade the club just to erect one anyway and pay for it?
Is the ST active?
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What do you mean by moral superiority, it's a strange concept to attach to any organisation of football supporters. Does this mean that in your version of the world there is some sort of league table of morality?
I mean some people think the ST have more right to speak for the fans then VFC. I'm saying that isn't true.
How many fully paid up ST members are there and how many were at the last AGM?
How is the statue fund going? Why can't they persuade the club just to erect one anyway and pay for it?
Is the ST active?
I can't speak for anyone else here but I'm a Share Trust member. I didn't go to the last AGM. And I have given the ST my proxy in the past, so they have spoken for me. More so than the VFC. Last I heard the ST had about 300 hundred members (I'm sure others can confirm or deny this) and I am receiving emails from them at present which suggests that they are active.
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I mean some people think the ST have more right to speak for the fans then VFC. I'm saying that isn't true.
Who thinks that?
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Last I heard the ST had about 300 hundred members
How many fully paid up members?
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Who thinks that?
The Trust Supporters who slag off VFC every time they open their mouth.
Did the Trust ask any questions at the last Villa AGM?
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I hope the ST is still active as myself and 3 others have just sent off the application forms. I'm not a big VFC fan but for my own reasons.Its a matter of personal opinion. I find constant banging on about Ellis becomes counter productive. What's the plan B as it isn't working. Do they have a follow up strategy. A pressure groupdon't just release the same type of statement and keep saying it because the effect is lost on the person they're aftyer-Ellis. but loses broad appeal and support of Villa fans. Surely that's just as important. IMO they are banging the same drum to the point of coming across as moaners. Once that is recognised, they have to sit down-whoever it is- and decide on the next step. If they cannot come up with anything new, then they have to ask themselves what are they for? A march before a game, a demonstration? They need to get popular support from the majority of Villa fans to be successful in their aims. Instead they seem to be losing it.
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I find constant banging on about Ellis becomes counter productive.
I disagree. If at first you don't succeed...
You know when athletes lose the first few races in their career should they give up?
You know when people are falsely imprisoned and there family and friends don't get immediate rectification, should they give up?
Your logic is for losers.
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But we're talking about the tactics of a pressure group. Not athletes. And yes, if athletes loses races, they may look to change a coach, training methods,race tactics, instead of trying the same thing that didn't work before. Family members falsely imprisoned? Get a sense of reality, that is the most pathetic thing I have seen. Go to somebody who is in that situation and tell them you want to compare what they do with VFC changing chairman they'll laugh at you. What these groups do, as you bring it up, isn't to just issue you press statements, and ask questions at AGM's it goes deeper and further than that. If thats how VFC see themselves, and how they compare their cause, then they demand less repect than first thought.
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Hey Peter you're wrong. Simple. And you missed the point of what I'm saying. I'm not saying a VFC campaign equates with a mis-justice campaign, I'm saying the priciple of not giving up is the same and banging on when no one appears to be listening.
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Who thinks that?
The Trust Supporters who slag off VFC every time they open their mouth.
Do they really?
The Trust as a legally constituted, democratic organisation has a mandate to speak for it's members.
The VFC has a mandate to speak for Jon Fear and his mates.
I'm not saying that they, the VFC, don't have any right to make their statements, but as with any right there are reponsibilities. It is therefore perfectly acceptable for those of us on the outside to question and criticise if we see fit.
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Hey Peter you're wrong. Simple. And you missed the point of what I'm saying. I'm not saying a VFC campaign equates with a mis-justice campaign, I'm saying the priciple of not giving up is the same and banging on when no one appears to be listening.
If no one appears to be listening it's probably because they are not. Which either means that you've got the wrong message or the wrong method of conveying that message. Which ever it is it's probabaly a good idea to have a bit of a think about what you are doing. Just ask the Tories.
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Hey Peter you're wrong. Simple. And you missed the point of what I'm saying. I'm not saying a VFC campaign equates with a mis-justice campaign, I'm saying the priciple of not giving up is the same and banging on when no one appears to be listening.
Whhich is ironic really. If you read what I stated in the first place, I said a change of tactics are required when the approach being used isn't working. How is that saying give up? If anything its saying try harder. The same thing said over and over , the same way, becomes easy for Ellis to deflect and grates those who you should have as your support. This needs to rectified if VFC are to be successful. If you/they are a pressure group then obviously there must be a campaign co-ordinater. If not why not? If there is , shouldn't somebody be asking questions as to why they are losing the support they initially had from many Villa fans?
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The Trust as a legally constituted, democratic organisation has a mandate to speak for it's members.
The VFC has a mandate to speak for Jon Fear and his mates.
There's not a matey thing going on at the Trust then?
Anyway I pointed out they sometimes like to give a different impression about who they speak for. They don't in reality speak for many people anyway.
How many fully paid up members are there? What questions did they ask at the last AGM?
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why they are losing the support they initially had from many Villa fans?
The same could be said of another group.
The VFC keeping saying the same thing because it's what needs to be said, because people forget.
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why they are losing the support they initially had from many Villa fans?
The same could be said of another group.
The VFC keeping saying the same thing because it's what needs to be said, because people forget.
So you're turning this into a ST v VFC thread? Ellis must be literally laughing himself silly. If VFC are an Ellis Out pressure group concentrate your mind on the point in question. If the current policy of VFC is the issuing of statements, that is now losing its punch and a new strategy needs to be thought out. Its irrelevant as to how many members ST has/had. I'm discussing the plan of VFC. They will only succeed in the removal of Ellis if they have the goodwill and support of fans. Thats how pressure groups- and indeed justice campaigners- succeed. Now, as I said VFC did have support initially. They are losing it. If they wish to suceed they need to change tack. I'm not say disappear, I'm not saying this person or that person is an idiot, just that some new input is needed in the campaign direction.
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The Trust as a legally constituted, democratic organisation has a mandate to speak for it's members.
The VFC has a mandate to speak for Jon Fear and his mates.
There's not a matey thing going on at the Trust then?
Anyway I pointed out they sometimes like to give a different impression about who they speak for. They don't in reality speak for many people anyway.
How many fully paid up members are there? What questions did they ask at the last AGM?
Was determined not to get sucked into this.
However, I am a member of the Trust, whilst not being mates with any of the Exec and as far as I know any other members (other than my wife and kids).
I am happy that the Trust speak on my behalf and vote according to the democratic views of it's members at the AGM.
My suggestion to anyone that doesn't like what the Trust is doing is to jojn and make your voice heard through the legally constituted one member one vote system.
While we are on the topic, was Jon Fear speaking at the AGM wearing his VFC or Shareholder's Association hat? What did the SA members think of their Chairman walking out before the end of the meeting and therefore being unable to represent their views fully?
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Somebody said to me on Saturday that the last time he saw something as funny and painful as Jon Fear & the rest of the VFC storming out of the AGM was the Bee Gees on Clive Anderson - for exactly the same reason.
And SImon - you wont find many members of the SA - because the SA don't want ordiunary shareholders as normal members - unless they're still trying to set up an alternative Supporters Trust.
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What did the SA members think of their Chairman walking out before the end of the meeting and therefore being unable to represent their views fully?
Maybe walking out was the best representation of their views.
Ooo ST don't like criticism.
So how many fully paid up members are there in the ST? Are their numbers dwindling because they don't have the support they used to?
Did they ask any questions at the AGM?
Do they have a view on the Ellis health situation and takeover offers that the club ARE considering according to Ellis?
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What did the SA members think of their Chairman walking out before the end of the meeting and therefore being unable to represent their views fully?
Maybe walking out was the best representation of their views.
Ooo ST don't like criticism.
So how many fully paid up members are there in the ST? Are their numbers dwindling because they don't have the support they used to?
Did they ask any questions at the AGM?
Do they have a view on the Ellis health situation and takeover offers that the club ARE considering according to Ellis?
So, back to my dads bigger than your dad, LG? I was trying to engage you in a sensible debate and this is all you come back with.
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So, back to my dads bigger than your dad, LG? I was trying to engage you in a sensible debate and this is all you come back with.
Actually no. If you read it there are a numer of meaty questions there waiting to be answered. I've asked them probably five times now.
I'm merely pointing out that the people, ST supporters, slagging off VFC have to look to themselves as to why VFC is necessary.
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While we are on the topic, was Jon Fear speaking at the AGM wearing his VFC or Shareholder's Association hat? What did the SA members think of their Chairman walking out before the end of the meeting and therefore being unable to represent their views fully?
As was posted above, Jon asked many questions, and was palmed off with non answers time and time again, so decided enough was enough.
As LG has repeatedly asked, what questions were asked by the Trust at the AGM?
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I think I know who Laughing Gravity is. We've met him before. ](*,)
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Why don't you stick to the debate Mac like a good moderator and follow your own rules.
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Now I definitely know who LG is. \:D/
What are you doing in Huddersfield?
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I'm disappointed in you Mac. You are breaking your own rules. I thought you at least had more integrity.
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I'm merely pointing out that the people, ST supporters, slagging off VFC have to look to themselves as to why VFC is necessary.
So it's memebers of the Trust that make an anti-Ellis pressure group necessary?
As you said earlier nobody is listening to the VFC, so why not engage the brain and try something different?
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I'm disappointed in you Mac. You are breaking your own rules. I thought you at least had more integrity.
That's not what you normally say.
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As you said earlier nobody is listening to the VFC, so why not engage the brain and try something different?
Because if at first you don't succeed...
What did the ST ask at the last AGM and how many paid up members are there? Are they losing popularity?
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And if I'm not mistaken, you're banned.
Email me and we'll discuss it off line.
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That's not what you normally say.
I've argued with you but always respected you. You've let me down. I thought you had integrity.
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What did the SA members think of their Chairman walking out before the end of the meeting and therefore being unable to represent their views fully?
Maybe walking out was the best representation of their views.
Ooo ST don't like criticism.
So how many fully paid up members are there in the ST? Are their numbers dwindling because they don't have the support they used to?
Did they ask any questions at the AGM?
Do they have a view on the Ellis health situation and takeover offers that the club ARE considering according to Ellis?
I'm sure that constructive criticism is always welcome. However, this would probably be best addressed to the Exec rather than posting on a public message board and hoping that one of them reads it.
I'm also not sure what bringing the ST into the debate does other than muddy the waters. If members aren't happy with the direction, aims and communications then there are a number of things that they can do.
I'm not sure why a non-member is unhappy at how the ST represents the views of it's members.
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Laughing Gravity has left the building.
He's still banned from before.
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Laughing Gravity has left the building.
He's still banned from before.
That's a shame, he hasn't looked like he's said anything unreasonable this time round. What does he need to do to get unbanned?
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Because if at first you don't succeed...
But waht if after several goes you don't succeed?
Trotting out the same lines at every opportunity is becoming counter-productive because they are alienating the very people they are supposed to be winning over. That weakens their message so that it becomes cliched sloganeering.
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Trotting out the same lines at every opportunity is becoming counter-productive because they are alienating the very people they are supposed to be winning over.
Do you know that that's the case Chris? The fact that the statements get picked to bits on here, doesn't mean that they don't have broader support amongst other Villa supporters. It doesn't mean that they do of course, but that's the point, I don't think we should take the views from here as necessarily indicative of Villa fans on the whole.
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Laughing Gravity has left the building.
He's still banned from before.
What was his previous moniker?
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I'm not sure why a non-member is unhappy at how the ST represents the views of it's members.
Because he, in this and previous aliases, has never done anything in this type of debate except pick a 'side' and make puerile remarks about its perceived opposition. He was doing it years ago, and he hasn't grown up from then.
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I have NEVER been banned before.
I have some contentious views but I have NEVER been banned before.
Outrageous Mac.
You have let yourself down big time.
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make puerile remarks about its perceived opposition.
For puerile remarks read "valid questions" that are not answered.
Wow, I've seen the light.
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Trotting out the same lines at every opportunity is becoming counter-productive because they are alienating the very people they are supposed to be winning over.
Do you know that that's the case Chris? The fact that the statements get picked to bits on here, doesn't mean that they don't have broader support amongst other Villa supporters. It doesn't mean that they do of course, but that's the point, I don't think we should take the views from here as necessarily indicative of Villa fans on the whole.
You are right of course, but believe it or not I do know some 'real' people as well. There was a great deal of good will towards the VFC when they started out now there is just a sense of here they go again. I think most people have come to the realisation that Ellis isn't going to take any notice of us unless he really has to and for a variety of reasons the anti Ellis people have never been able to mobilise sufficient, sustained support for them cause to cause him more than a slight discomfort every now and then.
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Anyway I'm off to Villatalk, everything the exiles there said about this site appears to be true. Bye.
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Anyway I'm off to Villatalk, everything the exiles there said about this site appears to be true. Bye.
Too true. Now shut the door, we're just about to sacrifice a goat.
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There's no need to make us feel sad LG. :roll:
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Anyway I'm off to Villatalk, everything the exiles there said about this site appears to be true. Bye.
Unless I'm mistaken, you're banned from there too.
And as I said, if you want to discuss this we'll do it via email off list.
Stomping off? You're not Jon Fear are you? =D>
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Laughing Gravity has left the building.
He's still banned from before.
What was his previous moniker?
Did he frequent Welsh kebab shops?
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Whatever he's said before, I don't think Mac needed to ban him. He's said nothing that's abusive as far as I can see, and others that have been banned in the past (Eg Ian Robo and Ian Robinson) are now posting again.
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Whatever he's said before, I don't think Mac needed to ban him. He's said nothing that's abusive as far as I can see, and others that have been banned in the past (Eg Ian Robo and Ian Robinson) are now posting again.
Sorry Risso, but what he said before DOES give me every reason to not want the cnut anywhere near this site ever. However, if I'm wrong we can civilly discuss this via email.
There is of course a chance that I'm wrong, but his comments today, including the flouncing off have made me 99% certain that I know who he is.
I believe he is Mark Hall aka MH and Villatalk know all about him too.
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I'm disappointed in you Mac. You are breaking your own rules. I thought you at least had more integrity.
That does sound like Hannibal Lecter talking on the phone. Very much out of the serial killers' films! =D>
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Of course I could be wrong..... :oops:
And it could be an old friend....... 8-[
LG unbanned.
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Of course I could be wrong..... :oops:
And it could be an old friend....... 8-[
Oops! I take it he's not banned then?! Mac McColgan, IP address super sleuth, not! :smt002
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If he's in Stoke as he says, he must have long arms. His computer's in Huddersfield.
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If he's in Stoke as he says, he must have long arms. His computer's in Huddersfield.
I think the bit about the Russian rabbi in Stoke may have been a joke.....
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Can we get back to the bitching now, please?
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I thought that it might be a man who is not too keen on Jews or rubber johnnys.
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I thought that it might be a man who is not too keen on Jews or rubber johnnys.
The new Pope?
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The new Pope?
That's very good. =D>
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How did the ST vote at the AGM, with their own and proxy votes? (yes, yes, they stuck their hand in the air at the appropriate time..)
specifically
Did they vote for or against the re-election of Doug Ellis.
Did they vote for or against the re-election of other board member(s)
Did they hold a ballot of all their members prior to the AGM to determine which way the membership wanted them to vote?
Given that the democracy,open-ness and all round goodness of the ST is feted, why has no one answered LG's questions. Surely it can't be that hard?
Previously (when I was a member) the ST voted against Ellis and Peter Ellis, did hold a ballot of its members prior to the AGM and had around 310 members. This was all very good, I felt.
I would imagine, it's still the same. Am I right?
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Speaking as a member I can honestly say that I was balloted before the AGM as to what the mandate should be.
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Speaking as a member I can honestly say that I was balloted before the AGM as to what the mandate should be.
What was the result Mac?
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WHile we're throwing questions around, since the take-over of the SA by VFC (to rejuvanise the moribund organisation we were told). What has the SA done, other than look a lot like the bloke that runs the VFC?
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I'd suggest that the Supporters' Trust chair would be the most appropriate person to ask this question of, rather than have it used as a potential point-scoring exercise on a topic unrelated to their activities.
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Are the Trust not worried about Villa's future then?
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I would imagine that members are, but this thread isn't about them.
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Well I could start a seperate thread about The Trust if you like, but I'd say it makes sense to have only the one thread about supporters' groups.
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Pity that Villa Fans Combined don't want one Supporters' Group.
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So getting back on topic, are any fans worried about Villa's future then?
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So getting back on topic, are any fans worried about Villa's future then?
I am, a bit.
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I'd suggest that the Supporters' Trust chair would be the most appropriate person to ask this question of, rather than have it used as a potential point-scoring exercise on a topic unrelated to their activities.
There's been lot's of discussion of VFC and Trust views and so on, on here. Though I am not the spokesman for the VFC, I have tried to answer the questions about VFC.
LG asked, what to me seem reasonable questions about the trust. I have posted that the Trust (while I was a member) did things in a good way, but can't answer for how it works now. There are several Trust Execs, and former Execs who are regular users of this site, and who (quite fairly) have posted their views on VFC matters on this very thread.
It seems a shame if they are not prepared to be as open with information on the Organisation they represent, and which has been contrasted (by some of them) with the "secretive" VFC.
And following the line of your logic, Dave, wouldn't all comments regarding Jonathan's comments in the paper be better directed to the journalist and to Jonathan, than discussed on here?
Or is this a message board, where things can be discussed and information passed on?
Perhaps if no Trust Committee people are available or willing (delete as applicable) to provide the information, one of the members would be so kind as to put the info up?
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The Trust membership voted that all motions be supported, except for the ones regarding the re-election of Doug & Peter Ellis.
Unfortunately, the CEO of the Trust was unable at short notive to attend the AGM, and so some questions which he had wanted putting forward weren't asked. As far as I'm aware, no Trust member had asked for questions to be asked on their behalf, although members did ask questions as individuals.
So, while we're on the subject....
What's the current membership of the Shareholders Association? How many AGMs have they held in the past six years? How many elections of officers? When were their accounts last distributed to members? How much dialogue has there been between committee and members since the current chairman was elected? Bearing in mind the fuss that resulted from the Trust's forum in 2004, when will the SA chairman publish an account of the meeting which took place between him and Bruce Langham at the beginning of this year?
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Bearing in mind the fuss that resulted from the Trust's forum in 2004, when will the SA chairman publish an account of the meeting which took place between him and Bruce Langham at the beginning of this year?
Was that advertised as a meeting between the SA chair and BL, or was it an off the record meeting between two individuals?
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Bearing in mind the fuss that resulted from the Trust's forum in 2004, when will the SA chairman publish an account of the meeting which took place between him and Bruce Langham at the beginning of this year?
Was that advertised as a meeting between the SA chair and BL, or was it an off the record meeting between two individuals?
Or perhaps a top secret meeting that the Supreme Fans’ Chief regarded as being of no interest to the "riffraff"?
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Bearing in mind the fuss that resulted from the Trust's forum in 2004, when will the SA chairman publish an account of the meeting which took place between him and Bruce Langham at the beginning of this year?
..was it an off the record meeting between two individuals?
Got it in one Risso. BL invited JF to a private meeting.
Thanks for the info Dave.
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Got it in one Risso. BL invited JF to a private meeting.
That unless I'm mistaken, Fear said would be made public. Anyway, remind me who it was who made the biggest fuss about the Trust not releasing details of the Langham forum immediately.
Anyone care to hazard a guess at answering the questions I asked?
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Am I correct in assuming that if members of the Trust become dissatisfied with the way the organisation is run they can vote to change matters/people?
Are there similar arrangements for the greater body of Villa fans when it comes to the Supreme Commander of Allied Villa Fans Europe?
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As I'm not, nor ever have been, a member of the Trust, I can't (rather than won't) answer the questions about that body. But, can I assume Pete from your comments on the last couple of pages that you agree answers should be given to questions - particularly ones which don't attack individuals nor use the phrase "fans' chief" or similar?
Assuming you do, earlier you stated you are "not the VFC spokesperson". Who are the officials of VFC and what are their titles? I'll happily stand in line behind the SA questions.
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Got it in one Risso. BL invited JF to a private meeting.
That unless I'm mistaken, Fear said would be made public.
Not to my knowledge, he didn't. he asked for an informal off the record chat and that was what I agreed to
As for the questions about the Trust forum and the fuss - I have no idea who it was. I do remember being bemused by it all. Is it important who made the "fuss"?
Regarding the SA I don't know the answers to the question(s)
Regarding Simon's question on VFC - There aren't any officials or titles. There aren't any members.
There has been a group of people, normal fans, who have, for want of a better word "led" things. The people involved in this "core", has, as you know, changed from Day 1 to today.
Of the original people from the first meeting you were at, Simon (I think), It's perhaps only JF and Naz still involved, though I might be wrong as I wasn't "in" at the start. Other people who still talk and discuss what to do include(d), at various times, Nigel Ashford, myself, David Carson, Paul Barnes... Ideas have come from a hell of a lot of people e-mailing or talking to some or all of us. As I have explained before, there's no "membership cards" or list of supporters as such, though a fair old number of people have got in touch and someone somewhere has a list, I'm sure. Some people don't want to be named, perhaps too - maybe they work at the club, or are just shy.
We've always said if the support for what we're doing goes, we'll stop. And whilst there is a combination of views on here, from very supportive, through to sceptical, to downright hostile - plus a lot of questions and suggestions, the overall response in the wider world has been good, and still is.
Jon and to a lesser extent Naz have done the "spokesman" role, as you'll have spotted. Various PRs have been, though, jointly drafted and finalised etc. Sometimes they have been less than perfect and one was contentious, to some people because it said Terry Weir RIP on the bottom. Personally speaking, I accept that it caused some people offence and /or anger and I understand some of the anger, though not all of the comments that were made. I know that the comment was not meant in any way to insult the memory of Terry Weir, or to upset his family. I am genuinely sorry if it did upset them. It's a hard call to know whether to "ask permission" (if such a thing is needed) to write (for example) "Pete Bland RIP" on a document, or (heaven forbid) in a Newspaper obit, or wherever, or just to simply go ahead. The person who added it, genuinely felt sorrow at his passing and wanted to express that, simply. Would asking permission have been an intrusion? It's not an easy protocol. I know that about 3 people, all largely against VFC (co-incidentally I'm sure), expressed anger at what was written - feeling that it was inappropriate to put Terry's name on the Red Card which was "political" Others probably felt the same, but held off from saying so. Others felt quite the opposite.
The way I look at it is that Villa supporters to a man and woman, were sorry at Terry's passing away, whatever their views on other matters surrounding their club. I don't see that adding a simple RIP message to the bottom of the cards was "an offence". At worst it was a heartfelt statement clumsily given. It certainly wasn't worthy of some of the abuse recieved. But that's a minor matter.
I won't discuss it further, but wanted to explain, at least the rationale behind it. Ian Robinson raised the matter, and apologise if I shouldn't have mentioned it. After thinking long and hard about replying to his revelation regarding his private correspondence with JF (several pages ago) decided I should perhaps write [edit] the bit above[/edit].
"Let he who hasn't made a mistake cast the first stone"
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When I asked based on a VFC PR...
VFC (Villa Fans Combined)
VFC is an umbrella group that includes independent websites such as Holteenders.com (Mike Field), VillaTalk.com (Peter Bosworth and John Cresswell), astonished etc, Navid Nazir of Avisa, The Aston Villa Shareholders Association, Jonathan Fear and a long list of supporters from all sections of the Villa community.
Is it still the case?
...you said the list was largely correct. Is it still bearing in mind the names in your last post?
Pete, as I've said before, of those I've met I like the people involved in VFC, have no gripe over "fan's chief" nor a conflict of interests. I do though find it amazing that Villa fans have such a struggle to get info about VFC. It comes across as a group which only communicates via press release.
Oh, and do you have spies within the politburo ("maybe they work at the club").
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Re the list you quoted - the SA, the Websites, Naz, JF, and a long list of supporters - yeah, I'd say so.
It's not "organised" democratic, it's informally so. Point taken about getting info. Especially if you largely or only post or read on here.
For right or wrong, for us, it's never been about who "we" are, only about the message. Call us foolish, niaive, whatever, but we basically felt that the Club (Ellis) was putting across an unrealistic slant (being polite) on things, felt this wasn't correct, and wanted to try and focus on how things really are. And of course felt that Ellis was rather more in it for himself than for the club etc (see the VFC website for the whole gist of it) to the detriment of the club.
I understand that some folk desire every last detail of who are they?, are they suspiscious ne'er do wells, but we maybe again niaively, felt that, well we go down the matches, have for years, are shareholders, season tiocket holders, and we don't think the club is run as well as it could or should be, that Ellis is to blame (simplistically, as I have to go in a mo') and a change is needed. No-one else has put that case publically, we feel a LOT of fans also hold that viewpoint, let's see where we go.
I guess that was true at the start, too- as I said I wasn't "in" at the start.
Pretty much I personally suspect that whatever little we have or haven't achieved is done and dusted - we now have people interested in the club, Ellis (possibly) looking to sell, or even if not, he's not so well, the old chap. So largely VFC could be soon a tiny footnote.
I might be wrong, mind. And while people still by and large share the desire for a change of ethos and approach to the way the club is currently run, and while the incumbents still remain, we'll be around, I guess.
Despite many accusations to the contrary, it's not personal against Ellis. It's about the club we support and its future.
It's not all Ellis's fault, in my opinion, but a hell of a lot of where we are right now, is ultimately down to him, the bad and the good and the mostly mediocre.
Lastly a retort to the VFC - ego mad as bad as Ellis - accusations. Jonathan has I feel been very harshly on the end of much of it. He's the one, with Naz too, who has in the nicest sense, left his "ordinary world" to front up to reporters, TV and radio, at his own expense to give the message. It's have been a lot easier for him to have remained the anonymous, nice bloke, his friends and family know him as, and I'm sure he'd have prefered that in many ways. People who know him will know why, too. But he sacrificed time, money and effort to stand up for what he believed.
For a bunch of attention seekers and ego-ists we are so often accused of being, we're awfully, well, unknown - as proven by the "we don't know who they are" comments.
It's not, and never has been, about "us" but about the club. We are staggeringly normal people, who have in varying degrees just declined to silently accept what is placed before us.
All of the above is a personal view.
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Jonathan has I feel been very harshly on the end of much of it. He's the one, with Naz too, who has in the nicest sense, left his "ordinary world" to front up to reporters, TV and radio, at his own expense to give the message. It's have been a lot easier for him to have remained the anonymous, nice bloke, his friends and family know him as, and I'm sure he'd have prefered that in many ways. People who know him will know why, too. But he sacrificed time, money and effort to stand up for what he believed.
Is this the same St Jonathan who called this very board "out of control on bile and bitterness"?
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Night everyone
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This thread’s slipped a bit down the page.
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I'd still argue that it was totally inappropriate and inconsiderate to put "Terry Weir RIP" on the front of the "red card" protest. And if Jon Fear STILL doesn't see that, and thinks my comments at the time were petty/vindictive/point scoring then it shows that he's the wrong man to front the VFC. Or stand up to be some sort of representative for Villa fans.
His comments at the time, once again, are best summed up by "my way or the highway". There wasn't a doubt in his mind that he could have been wrong. Indeed Pete's comments above re-affirm this. The criticism of this is dismissed as being from people with "an axe to grind"
If it's a difficult call to make as to whether you need to ask the man's family then surely, the logical call is NOT to do it? Not take an attitude that looks like Terry's memory is a stick to beat Doug Ellis with.
That was low.
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I'd still argue that it was totally inappropriate and inconsiderate to put "Terry Weir RIP" on the front of the "red card" protest.
Whether you thought that the use of his name was in bad taste or not, a thread with the title "VFC - Very Fucking Crass" is hardly the way to debate it in my opinion. It just smacked as an excuse to have another go at VFC, which to me is in pretty bad taste itself.
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I beg to differ Risso.
I thought that it summed up my feeling totally.
(I was not the OP either)
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I'd also add that the RIP message deflected criticsm from the content and misleading quotes on the back. It was a poorly thought out piece of paper that was distributed. - Not petty point scoring but my opinion.
I seem to recall that Doug's slip of the tongue "Nobody is less ambitious for Villa than I am" was the first point on the back. Funny ha ha, but it was a slip he made it years ago. Does anybody actually believe that's what he meant?
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What was worse Mac, a small tribute to Terry on a piece of card handed out to 1000's of fans, or the sight of Villa fans slagging each other off because of it, on a message board that his daughter had posted on that same week?
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Well if you didn't have the former, the latter wouldn't have occured.
As the former did, if we didn't have the latter then perhaps VFC had have thought that everybody thought it was hunky dory.
As I said - it appears that the VFC, even with hindsight, still don't think they did anything wrong. And that's the really sad thing about all of this.
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As I said - it appears that the VFC, even with hindsight, still don't think they did anything wrong. And that's the really sad thing about all of this.
Who are YOU to say it's wrong? I don't remember seeing anything from the family about it, and to be honest, they're the only opinions that count.
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Who are YOU to say it's wrong? I don't remember seeing anything from the family about it, and to be honest, they're the only opinions that count.
So why weren't they consulted? And that's my only view on the matter.
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Who are YOU to say it's wrong? I don't remember seeing anything from the family about it, and to be honest, they're the only opinions that count.
A fan?
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So why weren't they consulted? And that's my only view on the matter.
I think Pete puts it best (as usual)
I know that the comment was not meant in any way to insult the memory of Terry Weir, or to upset his family. I am genuinely sorry if it did upset them. It's a hard call to know whether to "ask permission" (if such a thing is needed) to write (for example) "Pete Bland RIP" on a document, or (heaven forbid) in a Newspaper obit, or wherever, or just to simply go ahead. The person who added it, genuinely felt sorrow at his passing and wanted to express that, simply. Would asking permission have been an intrusion? It's not an easy protocol.
I can see why some people would find it inappropriate, but I can't see that it justified the self righteous invective that followed it on here, with people pretending to be oh so outraged, when really, it was just another excuse to have a pop at VFC.
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Who are YOU to say it's wrong? I don't remember seeing anything from the family about it, and to be honest, they're the only opinions that count.
A fan?
I can't see that that's really got much to do with it, in this instance.
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Maybe not on the card but i doubt anyone would've criticised if the tributewas in the press release before the boro game.
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Maybe not on the card but i doubt anyone would've criticised if the tributewas in the press release before the boro game.
Wanna bet?
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Can we please move this debate on from something which has been picked over endlessly, if only out of respect for the man? Thank you.
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Can we please move this debate on from something which has been picked over endlessly, if only out of respect for the man? Thank you.
Agreed.
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Ooh, Dave said it best (as usual). Suit you, sir!
Actually, Risso says it best…
…when he says nothing at all.
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I'm bereft of ribs, ooh me sides, stitch me back up etc.
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I'm bereft of ribs, ooh me sides, stitch me back up etc.
Bit of a George Michael fan, are we?
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The race to 50 begins....
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The race to 50 begins....
Dave must be 50 if he's a day.
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Pete, ta for the reply. Not sure naive is the right word, but it is utterly unrealistic to start a campaign group which aims to publicise its message as widely as possible and hope for anonymity. It simply breeds suspicion.
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it is utterly unrealistic to start a campaign group which aims to publicise its message as widely as possible and hope for anonymity.
Not if they use the "psst, Ellis is rubbish pass it on..." method for disseminating their message it isn't.
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Pete, ta for the reply. Not sure naive is the right word, but it is utterly unrealistic to start a campaign group which aims to publicise its message as widely as possible and hope for anonymity. It simply breeds suspicion.
There are 2 answers to that. One is "well you started it"
The other, more seriously, I agree with you completely. But I don't think anyone has "hoped for anonymity" (unless perhaps they use various multiple pseudonyms on here, in which case they may well be on their way to achieving it, almost effortlessly).
As I said before it was just a case of putting the message before the individuals.
Is alchoholics anonymous a campaign group?
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Is alchoholics anonymous a campaign group?
No. It’s a support group.
The Portman Group is a campaigning organisation on alcohol issues.
Having said that, VFC Anonymous does have a certain ring to it.
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Who are YOU to say it's wrong? I don't remember seeing anything from the family about it, and to be honest, they're the only opinions that count.
So why weren't they consulted? And that's my only view on the matter.
Why weren't they consulted?
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Why weren't they consulted?
Can we please move this debate on from something which has been picked over endlessly, if only out of respect for the man? Thank you.
Wise words.
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What was this thread about again ?
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the antichrist ?
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Are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet?
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As the posters close in Winters takes a look around the field and looks a place to sneak a quick single. Risso, bland, smith, et al have all sent down various deliveries to knock him, off his stride but he's defended studiously thus far. He comes another wicked turner.....
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played into the offside where VFC are huddled together it seems like no run there.....
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oh, but the VFC fielders all seem to be looking around at each other, pointing, surely some leadership is required....winters looks like he's setting off to take a cheeky 1 off them...
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he carries on .... surely VFC have noticed that no one else is paying attention...this could be the turning point
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and there it is..he raises the key board high and proud... he reaches the half century whilst inner turmoil seems to be abound amongst the VFC field. However, it seems they are waving red cards at him and saying its the owners fault and not theirs....
its only a joke fellas....you're all asleep and its another slow work day in Islamabad.
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B U G G E R ! ! ! ! !
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B O G N O R ! ! ! ! !
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BOLLOCKS!
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Brouhaha
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BOULABAISSE
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Bukakke
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I like Bukkake. www2.b3ta.com/bukkake/
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I like Bukkake. www2.b3ta.com/bukkake/
What does it mean? Is it African for shit?
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I like Bukkake. www2.b3ta.com/bukkake/
What does it mean? Is it African for shit?
its a little more interesting than that!
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What the h*ll was that all about?
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What the h*ll was that all about?
Boredom.
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I like Bukkake. www2.b3ta.com/bukkake/
What does it mean? Is it African for shit?
its a little more interesting than that!
Whatever you do don't do a google image search (at least not in the office)
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Bump
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grind
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I note with interest that this thread's been diverted off topic so what’s really going on with this Supreme Commander Allied Villa Fans Europe, King of the Wild Frontier, Heir to the Holy Roman Empire, the Once and Future King, Tsar of All the Russias, King of Kings, Star of Stage, Screen and Emmerdale Farm (an extra c.1986), KGB, BCFC, CSE (Woodwork Grade 4) and Bar that VFC keep banging on about?
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It would be nice if Jon Fear came on here to put his side across.
Any chance?
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By the way, as VFC seem so happy to have Laughing Gravity on board, is it worth asking whether they’re quite so keen on his well-documented views on the holocaust and homosexuality?
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By the way, as VFC seem so happy to have Laughing Gravity on board, is it worth asking whether they’re quite so keen on his well-documented views on the holocaust and homosexuality?
Well he was never banned from here, so following that reasoning H&V were quite happy to have him "onboard" as well.
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According to the rules personal attacks are a banning offence.
Moderators?
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According to the rules personal attacks are a banning offence.
Moderators?
I don't see anything wrong with Oscar/Stu's query, It's personal abuse that is not tolerated.
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Banning is in the hands of Admins only.
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This is a forum for debate and discussion. It is not intended to allow personal attacks (be it on individuals, groups of individuals or other forums), rudeness, insulting posts or purposeless inflammatory posts.
There we go.
He should be banned.
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There's one rule for some and another rule for others.
have the moderators got the bottle?
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I've missed old man Mooney
the daft Christian Fundamentalist
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Banning is in the hands of Admins only.
See above.
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Thought so.
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Mark can ban people, although his title still says he's a moderator.
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How can I ban someone when I do not have the 'powers'? You really need to PM Mac giving reasons.
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There's one rule for some and another rule for others.
have the moderators got the bottle?
I certainly have.
I'll have to get that wording changed as I see no problem with asking questions regarding your opinions on the above subjects, when you used to post on here under another name.
Unfair?
Maybe John, but I'm a big fan of dictatorships, just like you!
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No bottle.
Who's in with the in-crowd?
Pah.
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No bottle.
Who's in with the in-crowd?
Pah.
Yes, I'm such a weed.
We're not in the business of banning people at the drop of a hat.
The banned list includes a few BCFC variations and the name of another person who was banned for abuse.
Your 'no bottle' comments are drip-drip-dripping water off a duck's back.
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Some people might regard telling fibs and pretending you live in Stoke as banning offences.
By the way, the Russian Orthodox Church doesn’t really hold with circumcision.
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They're your rules.
Some people are immune it seems.
I haven't told anyone my real identity in these threads, I am not John Mooney. I am a Russian from Stoke, Bristish Citizen since 1997. I have not revealed my views on the above mentioned subjects.
Oscar Goldman has personally attacked me and I demand satisfaction.
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I demand satisfaction.
self abuse is frowned upon by your God
you may very well go blind, Herr Mooney
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I am not John Mooney. I am a Russian from Stoke
Bloody asylum seekers!
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I demand satisfaction.
And you're a Villa fan?
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I’m totally against bullying of any kind so will the mods please ask this strange man, who claims he’s been circumcised since 1997 by an organisation that doesn’t indulge in such practices, to stop picking on cousin Oscar.
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Clique.
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If Oscar isn't banned it will just confirm many peoples suspicions.
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My god your a petty little man aren't you.
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If Oscar isn't banned it will just confirm many peoples suspicions.
Are you picking on Oscar because you think he’s gay or because Goldman’s a Jewish name?
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My god your a petty little man aren't you.
Aye.
Not as petty as some though.
Well, do I get satisfaction?
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God preserve us from people who spend so much of their life on the internet that they lose all sense of reality.
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I'm just pointing out your own rules.
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What's the betting I get banned?
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Well, do I get satisfaction?
Depends what you're asking for, you cheeky monkey!
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I'm not a cliquey monkey!
Its the others.
Are you going to abide by your own rules?
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What's the betting I get banned?
Only if you start geting abusive.
Being annoying is not a banning offence.
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Why get so wound up about the internet when there's so many other things happening in the world that are much more worthy of concern? The continued global Zionist conspiracy and the insiduous spread of homosexuality by brainwashing, for example.
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Come on John.
Let me take you up the wrong 'un.
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OK, I'm obviously wasting my breath.
The clique has closed ranks again.
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What's the betting I get banned?
Why do you fancy a flutter? :-k
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OK, I'm obviously wasting my breath.
Every minute of your life, probably.
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OK, I'm obviously wasting my breath.
The clique has closed ranks again.
You know you want it.
I promise not to drip-drip-drip on your back.
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Mooney must be suffering from a crisis of faith
maybe it's all those bunmers in the catholic church, with their drip drip methods of indoctrination?
or maybe he's come to his senses and is no longer a holocaust denier
stranger things have happened
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Every minute of your life, probably.
Moderator?
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My Inbox is about to implode....
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Every minute of your life, probably.
Moderator?
Doctor?
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Thought so.
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Any chance of everyone calming it a bit?
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My Inbox is about to implode....
As is John's.
He wants me.
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Every minute of your life, probably.
Moderator?
Doctor?
Maaatron!
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Guess who just got back today?
Those wild-eyed boys that had been away
Haven’t changed, haven’t much to say
But man, I still think those cats are great
They were asking if you were around
How you was, where you could be found
I told them you were living downtown
Driving all the old men crazy
The boys are back in town
You know the chick that used to dance a lot
Every night she’d be on the floor shaking what she’d got
Man when I tell you she was cool, she was red hot
I mean she was steaming
That night over at johnny’s place
Well this chick got up and she slapped johnny’s face
Man we just fell about the place
If that chick don’t want to know, forget her
Friday night they’ll be dressed to kill
Down at dino’s bar and grill
The drink will flow and blood will spill
If the boys want to fight, you’d better let them
That jukebox in the corner blasting out my favorite song
The nights are getting warmer, it won’t be long
It won’t be long till summer comes
Now that the boys are here again
The boys are back in town
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Any chance of everyone calming it a bit?
Wouldn't have thought so, but you can never tell.
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How many Cliquey Dee records do you all own?
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Perhaps he should have left the whiskey in the jar.
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Are you still here? I thought you might have been banned by now.
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How many Cliquey Dee records do you all own?
That's crap!
'Cliquey' sounds nothing like 'Kiki'
Must try harder!
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This is a forum for debate and discussion. It is not intended to allow personal attacks (be it on individuals, groups of individuals or other forums), rudeness, insulting posts or purposeless inflammatory posts.
There we go.
He should be banned.
Sorry to look like a complete eejit but where are these comments?
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Altogether now:
CHORUS:
Germany was having trouble
What a sad, sad story
Needed a new leader to restore
Its former glory
Where, oh, where was he?
Where could that man be?
We looked around and then we found
The man for you and me
LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
And now it's...
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Deutschland is happy and gay!
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Rhineland's a fine land once more!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Watch out, Europe
We're going on tour!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany...
CHORUS:
Look, it's springtime
LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
Winter for Poland and France
CHORUS AND STORMTROOPER:
Springtime for Hitler and Germany!
CHORUS:
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
STORMTROOPER:
Come on, Germans
Go into your dance!
STORMTROOPER "ROLF":
I was born in Dusseldorf und that is why they call me Rolf.
STORMTROOPER "MEL":
Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the Nazi party!
ULLA:
The Fuhrer is coming, the Fuhrer is coming, the Fuhrer is coming!
STORMTROOPER #1:
Heil Hitler!
STORMTROOPER #2:
Heil Hitler!
LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
Heil Hitler!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
ALL:
Heil Hitler!
ROGER:
Heil myself
Heil to me
I'm the kraut
Who's out to change our history
Heil myself
Raise your hand
There's no greater
Dictator in the land!
Everything I do, I do for you!
CHORUS:
Yes, you do!
ROGER:
If you're looking for a war, here's World War Two!
Heil myself
Raise your beer
CHORUS:
Jawohl!
ROGER:
Ev'ry hotsy-totsy Nazi stand and cheer
CHORUS:
Hooray!
Ev'ry hotsy-totsy Nazi...
ROGER:
Heil myself!
CHORUS:
Ev'ry hotsy-totsy Nazi...
ROGER:
Heil myself!
CHORUS:
Ev'ry hotsy-totsy Nazi...
ROGER:
...stand and cheer!
THE HEIL-LOs:
The Fuhrer is causing a furor!
He's got those Russians on the run
You gotta love that wacky hun!
The Fuhrer is causing a furor
They can't say "no" to his demands
They're freaking out in foreign lands
He's got the whole world in his hands
The Fuhrer is causing a furor!
ROGER:
I was just a paper hanger
No one more obscurer
Got a phone call from the Reichstag
Told me I was Fuhrer
Germany was blue
What, oh, what to do?
Hitched up my pants
And conquered France
Now Deutschland's smiling through!
But it wasn't always so easy...
It was 1932. Hindenburg was working the Big Room and I...
I was playing the lounge. And then I got my big break.
Somebody burned down the Reichstag. And, would you believe it?
They made me Chancellor. Chancellor!
It ain't no myst'ry
If it's politics or hist'ry
The thing you gotta know is
Ev'rything is show biz
Heil myself
Watch my show
I'm the German Ethel Merman
Dontcha know
We are crossing borders
The new world order is here
Make a great big smile
Ev'ryone sieg heil to me
Wonderful me!
And now it's...
CHORUS:
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Goose-step's the new step today
ROGER:
Springtime!
Goose-steps!
CHORUS MEN:
Bombs falling from the skies again
CHORUS:
Deutschland is on the rise again
ROGER & CHORUS:
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
U-boats are sailing once more
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
ROGER:
Means that...
CHORUS:
Soon we'll be going...
ROGER:
We've got to be going...
CHORUS:
You know we'll be going....
ROGER:
You bet we'll be going...
ROGER & CHORUS:
You know we'll be going to war!!
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How many Cliquey Dee records do you all own?
You wouldn't know who we were talking about if we told you though would you?
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We're moving through the fifties rapidly. Maybe Peter will get the century up as well.
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I think Chico should be banned for a personal attack.
Thanks.
They are your rules.
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dancing) I'm having so much love
(dancing) too bad my back had gone
(dancing) boogie down with Fletch now
I'd give my house in the country
If you'd slept it's so funky
(music) I'm dancing in the street
(ooh music) I've torn the shoes from my feet
(romancing) it's got me dirty and sweet
It's got you reeling and rocking
Won't you let the slender thing in
(rolling) I think it's all I can do
(rolling) just got me feeling you too
(rolling) get a little take a little
Get a little back
Jumping john the great goose is gone
Got a lion in my hand
Got a charlie on my back
(john) I'm only dancing
(she turns me on) I'm only dancing
(she turns me on) oh get you with me
(don't get me wrong) ah ha ha ha ha
(I'm only dancing, oh ho hooo)
(I'm only dancing, oh ho hooo)
(dancing) have you heard the news
(dancing) president has got the blues
(dancing) I tell you comfortably
If he gives it to you
He'd better take it from me
(said sir) I pick up the bones
(said sir) leave the numbers alone
(said sir) get off your telephone
Look the people in the eye
Tell them my oh my
Let your backbone slide
Buddy whistle and cry
(john)
(she turns me on) la la la la
(don't get me wrong) hmm hm hm
(I'm only dancing, oh hooo)
(john) I'm only dancing
(she turns me on) ah ha ha I'm only dancing
(she turns me on) I lost my feel
(don't get me wrong) I'm off on my way
(I'm only dancing, oh hooo) please dance with me
(I'm only dancing) please dance with me
(I'm only dancing, oh hooo)
(dancing, dancing, dancing, woh woh woh)
(dancing, dancing, dancing, woh woh woh)
(dancing, dancing, dancing, woh woh woh)
(dancing) I'm only (dancing) I'm only (dancing) I'm only (woh woh woh)
(dancing) I'm only (dancing) I'm only (dancing) I'm only (woh woh woh)
Can see no care
Lost my fear
Traped charlie dance on
(woh woh woh)
(woh woh woh)
He, he, he, he, he, he, he, cos
(woh woh woh)
Got white light
Got black light
Got white light
Lay you dance on
(woh woh woh)
I'm only, I'm only, I'm only
(woh woh woh)
I got, I got
(woh woh woh)
(woh woh woh)
(dancing) he
(dancing) he
(dancing) he
(woh woh woh) lay you dance on
(dancing) lay you dance on
(dancing) lay you dance on, hey
(woh woh woh)
(dancing)
(dancing)
(dancing)
(woh woh woh) gotta give me know
(dancing) gotta give me know
(dancing) gotta give me know
(dancing)
(woh woh woh)
(dancing) he he
(dancing) he he
(dancing)
(woh woh woh)
Lockit fine
Makin' it mine
Lockit fine
Makin' it mine
Lockit fine
Making it
(I'm only dancing mm mm)
(I'm only dancing, dancing, I'm only dancing, mm mm)
(I'm only dancing, dancing, I'm only dancing, mm mm)
(I'm only dancing, dancing, I'm only dancing, mm mm)
(I'm only dancing hey ya, dancing, hey, I'm dancing, mm mm)
Yes I am
(I'm only dancing, hey I'm dancing, hey dancing, mm mm)
(oh, I'm only dancing, oh, I'm only dancing, I'm only dancing mm mm)
Oh my baby
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I think Chico should be banned for a personal attack.
Thanks.
They are your rules.
Ah, but we're in a state of anarchy now.
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Hang on.
So far you want me to ban:-
Disco Stu
Oscar
Harpo, Groucho, Chico
Usa.
Any others?
That Mac bloke's been asking for it as well.
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Depends whos broke the rules doesn't it.
You're looking a bit silly.
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I think I'm in a parallel universe.
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I hate to drag this thread back to seriousness but has anyone considered that the Gay Mafia might holding Laughing’s wife and kids and forcing him to post this nonsense on here?
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Depends whos broke the rules doesn't it.
You're looking a bit silly.
Who's looking silly? :-s
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Any others?
No so far in this thread. Woodhall is borderline.
But you won't do it anyway.
Not to the Bartons crowd.
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Depends whos broke the rules doesn't it.
You're looking a bit silly.
We are looking silly?
Bawahhaaaaaaaa!
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I think Chico should be banned for a personal attack.
Thanks.
They are your rules.
Chico vill be shot unt buggered at dawn, Herr Mooney
I aint attacking Larfin' Gravity, I'm attacking John Mooney.......who isn't here
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Depends whos broke the rules doesn't it.
You're looking a bit silly.
Is there any point in asking why and hoping for an answer that doesn't encompass 4,000 years of conspiracy theory?
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I think Chico should be banned for a personal attack.
Thanks.
They are your rules.
Who did he personally attack?
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Any others?
No so far in this thread. Woodhall is borderline.
But you won't do it anyway.
Not to the Bartons crowd.
I don't frequent The Barton's.
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I think everyone's starting to look a little silly.....
Now that's a universal attack, surely that's gotta be worth a banning?
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By the way, Laughing, are you officially representing VFC on this thread?
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But you won't do it anyway.
Not to the Bartons crowd.
How does USAV get to the Barton's from Virginia?
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I think Chico should be banned for a personal attack.
Thanks.
They are your rules.
Who did he personally attack?
Chico brandished a Star of David at him.
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When we've done all the banning can we all meet up and burn some books?
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But you won't do it anyway.
Not to the Bartons crowd.
How does USAV get to the Barton's from Virginia?
Is it on the 11 route?
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We just need Old man Box to join in and we'll be up to 200 pages.
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A lot of the exiles know exactly what I'm talking about.
Carry on Cliquing.
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I don't frequent The Barton's.
He hasn't asked for you to be banned. Of course, if he knew that you once ate a salt beef bagel, he might have a different view.
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Carry on Cliquing.
Is that the one where Jack Warner goes 'Phhhwwwwoooooarrr'?
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A lot of the exiles know exactly what I'm talking about.
Carry on Cliquing.
There are no exiles. Everyone loves us.
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A lot of the exiles know exactly what I'm talking about.
Carry on Cliquing.
Maaaaaaaaaaaaatron!!!!!!!
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A lot of the exiles know exactly what I'm talking about.
Carry on Cliquing.
Exodus: movement of jah people! oh-oh-oh, yea-eah!
.......
Men and people will fight ya down (tell me why!)
When ya see jah light. (ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!)
Let me tell you if you’re not wrong; (then, why? )
Everything is all right.
So we gonna walk - all right! - through de roads of creation:
We the generation (tell me why!)
(trod through great tribulation) trod through great tribulation.
Exodus, all right! movement of jah people!
Oh, yeah! o-oo, yeah! all right!
Exodus: movement of jah people! oh, yeah!
Yeah-yeah-yeah, well!
Uh! open your eyes and look within:
Are you satisfied (with the life you’re living)? uh!
We know where we’re going, uh!
We know where we’re from.
We’re leaving babylon,
We’re going to our father land.
2, 3, 4: exodus: movement of jah people! oh, yeah!
(movement of jah people!) send us another brother moses!
(movement of jah people!) from across the red sea!
(movement of jah people!) send us another brother moses!
(movement of jah people!) from across the red sea!
Movement of jah people!
Exodus, all right! oo-oo-ooh! oo-ooh!
Movement of jah people! oh, yeah!
Exodus!
Exodus! all right!
Exodus! now, now, now, now!
Exodus!
Exodus! oh, yea-ea-ea-ea-ea-ea-eah!
Exodus!
Exodus! all right!
Exodus! uh-uh-uh-uh!
Move! move! move! move! move! move!
Open your eyes and look within:
Are you satisfied with the life you’re living?
We know where we’re going;
We know where we’re from.
We’re leaving babylon, y’all!
We’re going to our father’s land.
Exodus, all right! movement of jah people!
Exodus: movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Move! move! move! move! move! move! move!
Jah come to break downpression,
Rule equality,
Wipe away transgression,
Set the captives free.
Exodus, all right, all right!
Movement of jah people! oh, yeah!
Exodus: movement of jah people! oh, now, now, now, now!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Move! move! move! move! move! move! uh-uh-uh-uh!
Move(ment of jah people)!
Move(ment of jah people)!
Move(ment of jah people)!
Move(ment of jah people)! movement of jah people!
Move(ment of jah people)!
Move(ment of jah people)!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
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Can't help but thinking that LG wants to be banned so he can wear it as a badge of honour round Villatalk. [-X
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Hurry up with the replies John.
Or are you tied to a tree?
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How does USAV get to the Barton's from Virginia?
By the trail of the lonesome pine.
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A lot of the exiles know exactly what I'm talking about.
.
you and yer clique of Nazi exiles?
There's Mooney, Mengele...........
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Can't help but thinking that LG wants to be banned so he can wear it as a badge of honour round Villatalk.
I thought he was happy over there.
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Can't help but thinking that LG wants to be banned so he can wear it as a badge of honour round Villatalk. [-X
To get this honour John, you must refer to one or all of us as a
Dicksplash
Fanny batter brain
Joey
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Now that my umbilical cord to this site has been severed I just thought I'd ask why it's OK for some people to do personal attacks and get away with it and not others.
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Hurry up with the replies John.
Give the guy a chance.
He’s running the entire Odessa Organisation on his own with only part-time clerical support from Grandma Jean’s mother-in-law.
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But you won't do it anyway.
Not to the Bartons crowd.
How does USAV get to the Barton's from Virginia?
Is it on the 11 route?
It was, bloody cut-backs forced them to re-route.
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Now that my umbilical cord to this site has been severed I just thought I'd ask why it's OK for some people to do personal attacks and get away with it and not others.
Believe it or not, despite what some people may say, we don't ban people or lock and delete threads at the drop of a hat.
There's banter and there's abuse.
I suspect you know exactly what you were on the receiving end of originally but kept pushing and pushing.
And on a personal note, I find people calling for other people to be banned as objectionable as footballers waving an imaginary card at refs when trying to get other players booked.
If people have issues take it up with me off list.
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If the moderators did the same job on their mates as on other people then it wouldn't be a problem.
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If the moderators did the same job on their mates as on other people then it wouldn't be a problem.
Ian Robinson has been on the end of a ban.
Find where I've banned somebody else.
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And on a personal note, I find people calling for other people to be banned as objectionable as footballers waving an imaginary card at refs when trying to get other players booked.
If people have issues take it up with me off list.
Good point, bloody annoying that is.
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If the moderators did the same job on their mates as on other people then it wouldn't be a problem.
Just for the record, I hate all the moderators and I’m considering getting the Gay Mafia to put out a contract on them all.
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Just for the record, I hate all the moderators and I’m considering getting the Gay Mafia to put out a contract on them all.
Pink bullets ahoy!
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If the moderators did the same job on their mates as on other people then it wouldn't be a problem.
I'm interested in this.
Which moderators, which mates and which other people?
What happened to them that hasn't happened here?
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Now that my umbilical cord to this site has been severed I just thought I'd ask why it's OK for some people to do personal attacks and get away with it and not others.
Because we can. So there with knobs on.
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If the moderators did the same job on their mates as on other people then it wouldn't be a problem.
Laughing for one like myself, who is not in the clique, in the in crowd or goes the Barton
Woodhall is a sound geezer who knows his stuff on villa. Mac is fair, and if you pm you will get a fair response. Legion HATES the idea of banning anyone, Fletcher I dont know, but always comes across as reasonable. Stop being a key board warrior and get a life or go somewhere else
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is this guy the reformation of John Mooney or not?!
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Well bugger me (not literally thanks) what fun I missed this afternoon! Bloody meetings.
Can I do some stone throwing too?
:smt044 just imagine he has a little yellow card in his hand!!!
Now you bullies, stop picking on the weedy one in the corner, just because you are bigger.
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Mac is fair
It's just too, too easy.
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is this guy the reformation of John Mooney or not?!
I doubt whether Mooney is in favour of the Reformation but then again, he’s one of the few people who does expect (no, demands) the Spanish Inquisition.
By the way, it’s rather noticeable that Laughing Stock seems to have become a bit of an embarrassment to the VFC types.
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Laughing Gravity, you are a perfect example of why the internet is such a bad thing on occasions. It gives people a platform to believe their views are far more important and interesting than they actually are. Entertaining thread though :smt002
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Personal attacks are a banning offence.
Hypocrites.
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That's us. Now run along back to your friends and you can all tell each other what big bad people we are.
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I think they already know.
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And I, for one, am greatly upset.
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Well, I'm sure they'll be very pleased that all your prejudices and suspicions have been wholly confirmed and that people here are bastards, just as you expected our Russian friend.... :-
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Are there pixies and fairys at the bottom of the garden? O:)
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Hasn't been troubled by the activities of this field
Laughing Gravity has been bowling some googlies but they have been easily flat batted
Winters to face again.....
another no ball from VFC but Winters gets to the pitch of the ball and neatly tucks it off his pads....
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No run there.....
wait wait...Laughing Gravity is a big gay girl with pony tails and is putting his lipstick and mascara on instead of paying attention....
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The rest of the VFC field wave their red cards frantically at him....
'RIP the holocuast victims' showing, surely this will get Laughing to keep his eye on the ball....
but he appears to have missed it....
his dress had got snagged under his stilettos as he gets chased by Duncan Norvelle.
In the confusion Winters completes a run...
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Laughing gravity falls flat on his face
he tries to regain some sort of integrity and hu,ility but its far too lae..
Not only on the batting team laughing,his VFC teammates have decided its no longer Ellis out but Laughing Gravity for spokesman....
Coco the clown gravity asks for confirmation that his bufoonary has cost his team a run
they say he has. He says the umpire clique are killing his faith in the beautiful game. The Jewery Convention of umpires will buy it come the revolution, he says
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Winters stays cool. He's after his hundred.
59 not out.
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ffs
this is the hardest run ever
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No matter who you think I am, Laughing Gravity has asked some serious questions which ruffled feathers, didn't get answers and upset the clique. The cliques response is to turn to personal attacks rather than address the questions.
A familiar H & V track trodden by many many people in the past.
You lost so many good posters because you were unable to control certain people.
I have put a mirror up to your faces.
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Laughing Gravity would like to apologise for the comments about Disco Stu's hair and ears. He was only being helpful but on reflection didn't realise how sensitive Disco is about this when he asked for the thread to be locked. Some people can dish it out but not take it seems. laughing Gravity didn't think the comments were quite in the "go boil your head" or "starved of oxygen at birth" (none of which are personal attacks that break site rules of course) category but is sorry all the same.
(Sellotape is good for sticky out ears. And of course there are wigs for bad hair) just friendly advice, not a personal attack, you'll thank me one day.
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No matter who you think I am, Laughing Gravity has asked some serious questions which ruffled feathers, didn't get answers and upset the clique. The cliques response is to turn to personal attacks rather than address the questions.
A familiar H & V track trodden by many many people in the past.
You lost so many good posters because you were unable to control certain people.
I have put a mirror up to your faces.
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Laughing Gravity would like to apologise for the comments about Disco Stu's hair and ears. He was only being helpful but on reflection didn't realise how sensitive Disco is about this when he asked for the thread to be locked. Some people can dish it out but not take it seems. laughing Gravity didn't think the comments were quite in the "go boil your head" or "starved of oxygen at birth" (none of which are personal attacks that break site rules of course) category but is sorry all the same.
(Sellotape is good for sticky out ears. And of course there are wigs for bad hair) just friendly advice, not a personal attack, you'll thank me one day.
Eh? As for your first point...I asked questions regarding VFC possibly having to change tactics as the current one wasn't working. I asked about campaign direction. I asked about a campaign coordinater. I asked whether VFC could see that they had lost support of many Villa fans who initially welcomed them because of a failure to address that maybe, just maybe, their current campaign had run its course. None of these- which are more related to the topic in question- received a reply. Your question was simply a 'My dad is bigger than your dad' type question. Quite frankly the issue isn't about how many members are in the ST. VFC do not have a lot of support on here. Surely they should look at why Villa they are alienating Villa fans. The success of any pressure group is dependent on them having a groundswell of support from those they seek to represent. They haven't got it. Instead of facing up to this, accepting this, learning from this, trying to look inwards and trying to see how they can move VFC forward -and maybe be a real Villa Fans COMBINED- we get you going loopy.
As for the rest of what you are typing. You've been told to put your issues in a PM to Mac( I think) then it will be addressed. If you don't want to do that, but wish to be a martyr thats up to you. You may be right in what you say, but frankly you're going about it the same way VFC are going about there's. Saying the same thing over and over amd frankly its getting boring. If you believe you have a case PM Mac. Simple.
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You lost so many good posters because you were unable to control certain people.
If that's what you want from a discussion board then you've found your spiritual home at the place where yellow cards appear to be sprinkled about like confetti.
As I said it is only a discussion board Mr "Always Right" and the lack of overt control is part of why I enjoy posting here.
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Quite frankly the issue isn't about how many members are in the ST.
But it is. It's about the people here (ST) and people there (VFC). Its an ego thing.
Sit down Peter and just wait for page 100.
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and the lack of overt control is part of why I enjoy posting here.
Depends if you're "in" or "out".
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Quite frankly the issue isn't about how many members are in the ST.
But it is. It's about the people here (ST) and people there (VFC). Its an ego thing.
Sit down Peter and just wait for page 100.
It quite obviously isn't. Your talking about ego's and you're the one constantly banging his own drum. The question about numbers was raised because some people arwe not happy about a small group of people happily allowing themselves to be misrepresented as the voice of Villa fans. The issue is about how our football club is run,how the fans want to take that forward, and, yes, there are differing opinions. LG you are the only one who refuses to put your points in a PM as requested and are sulikng. If thats the way you want to go then fair enough. But you won't get a reasoned response until you are reasonable yourself.
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Depends if you're "in" or "out".
Does it?
I don't consider myself "in" anything, and I've never been the subject of "overt control"
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and the lack of overt control is part of why I enjoy posting here.
Depends if you're "in" or "out".
Finished with my woman ’cause she couldn’t help me with my mind
People think I’m insane because I am frowning all the time
All day long I think of things but nothing seems to satisfy
Think I’ll lose my mind if I don’t find something to pacify
Can you help me thought you were my friend
Whoah yeah
I need someone to show me the things in life that I can’t find
I can’t see the things that make true happiness, I must be blind
Make a joke and I will sigh and you will laugh and I will cry
Happiness I cannot feel and love to me is so unreal
And so as you hear these words telling you now of my state
I tell you to enjoy life I wish I could but it’s too late
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and the lack of overt control is part of why I enjoy posting here.
Depends if you're "in" or "out".
Same could be said of somewhere else, i dared to go against the party line somewhere else and the site owner famously said "if you dont like it then fuck off".
Be careful with your new friends.
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The question about numbers was raised because some people arwe not happy about a small group of people happily allowing themselves to be misrepresented as the voice of Villa fans.
Just like the Trust, and that is the point.
Sit down only 30 pages to go.
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I don't consider myself "in" anything
try disagreeing with the clique for any length of time. You'll find out.
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The question about numbers was raised because some people arwe not happy about a small group of people happily allowing themselves to be misrepresented as the voice of Villa fans
Sorry, I'm not letting that pass as "fact." Jon and others have never claimed to be "fans' chief" or "the voice of Villa fans" despite what people on here try to say. If anybody's stupid enough to believe that one person can speak for the entire body of a team's fans, well that's their look out.
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LG you are the only one who refuses to put your points in a PM as requested and are sulikng. If thats the way you want to go then fair enough. But you won't get a reasoned response until you are reasonable yourself.
is that right?
I'm the one suffering the personal attacks (except for perhaps the ears and hair comments but they were just friendly advice and I apologised and now realise how senstive a subject it is).
I have been entirely reasonable throughout this debate.
Others have chosen to turn it into something personal because they don't like what I was saying.
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try disagreeing with the clique for any length of time. You'll find out.
Like who?
Who disagreed and paid the price?
Goodness, it's like 'The Godfather' round here....
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Who disagreed and paid the price?
The price is to be personally attacked until you give up wasting your breath.
This board has had lots of people how suffered that fate.
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Yawn!
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I don't consider myself "in" anything
try disagreeing with the clique for any length of time. You'll find out.
Why what happens?
I've been arguing with just about everyone for months about the manager, and other than this chip that they've inserted in my brain very little has happened to me.
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You have made an accusation that you have been personally abused. A mod/admin person disagreed. You were then told what next to do if you wished to pursue it. You've chosen not to and instead want to go on and on about it. You've 'threatened' to go off to VillaTalk and yet you're back. So, as you're here you know the only way for to get what you want is to put whatever your problem in a PM. If you don't want to, stop going on about it.
Risso, my point about about Jon Fear was that some people ARE unhappy about the way VFc are seen as the voice of the fans. And, that they could categorically deny that they are not when questioned or represented in the media. Hence, they get annoyed.
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some people ARE unhappy about the way VFc are seen as the voice of the fans. And, that they could categorically deny that they are not when questioned or represented in the media.
Does the Trust make similar statements?
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I don't consider myself "in" anything
try disagreeing with the clique for any length of time. You'll find out.
Yes, cos Risso & Pete Bland know all about not agreeing with the "clique" :roll:
And you didn't answer my question from yesterday either John.
I seem to recall not answering questions is something you've got very goot at yourself.
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Actually they do and have received personal abuse for their pains. But they are strong enough to brush it off, not everyone has the stomach for it.
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Actually they do and have received personal abuse for their pains. But they are strong enough to brush it off, not everyone has the stomach for it.
Yeah, and Ian Robinson was banned for it too. And i suggest you pm Risso if you want to know who had the final say as to whether Ian was let back on.
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So you know I PM Risso?
Umm.
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Actually they do and have received personal abuse for their pains. But they are strong enough to brush it off, not everyone has the stomach for it.
It must have really upset Risso, whatever it was, becase it's limited him to just the 3224 posts.
There are the occasional spats and fallings out but most of us are grown up enough to dust ourselves down and get on with it. Not keep complaining to teacher that the big boys are picking on us.
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So you know I PM Risso?
Umm.
Fuck me John. What are you talking about? Re-read my statement.
Oh, i get it, you're deflecting the arguement again.
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some people ARE unhappy about the way VFc are seen as the voice of the fans. And, that they could categorically deny that they are not when questioned or represented in the media.
Does the Trust make similar statements?
Again, you are turning it into my dad is bigger than yours. That is irrelevant to my point. Some people feel a certain way about VFC,and they are not happy with them. If a VFC spokesman was to come on here and debate his/their position then we could thrash some ideas around. Maybe get a real combined voice. But that isn't happening. So, ppeople will post their thoughts. The majority on here seem to tak an anti VFC stand. Initially I thought they had some good ideas, now I think they are becoming tired. This isn't about personalities to me as I've never met anyone on here, or who speaks for VFC. I do know I would be happy for Jon Fear - if it is he- to not allow journalists to state that he is a spokesman of Villa fans. Heoesn't. I don't like that personally.
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Fuck me John.
Just how many netiquette rules are you going to break?
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This isn't about personalities to me as I've never met anyone on here, or who speaks for VFC. I do know I would be happy for Jon Fear - if it is he- to not allow journalists to state that he is a spokesman of Villa fans. Heoesn't. I don't like that personally
This is about personalities.
What's good for VFC has to be good for the Trust too. Just so that when the Trust speak to the media we all know just how many they are speaking for.
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I do know I would be happy for Jon Fear - if it is he- to not allow journalists to state that he is a spokesman of Villa fans. Heoesn't. I don't like that personally.
He IS a spokesman of Villa fans, just not ALL Villa fans. I imagine the only people unhappy with the fact that he doesn't ask every journalist to sign a legally binding document stating that he won't be referred to as "Fans' Chief" are half a dozen people on here.
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Fuck me John.
Just how many netiquette rules are you going to break?
Hang on, you just accused me of spying on personal messages. Yet all you chose to do is comment on my outrage. I think that speaks volumes about what you hope to achieve from this thread
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Am I the only person who doesn't give a toss what Jon Fear is referred to as in the media?
My life more or less carries on as normal, regardless...
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I do know I would be happy for Jon Fear - if it is he- to not allow journalists to state that he is a spokesman of Villa fans. Heoesn't. I don't like that personally.
He IS a spokesman of Villa fans, just not ALL Villa fans. I imagine the only people unhappy with the fact that he doesn't ask every journalist to sign a legally binding document stating that he won't be referred to as "Fans' Chief" are half a dozen people on here.
And that's the misleading bit. It only takes a few seconds to point out that he's only the spokesman for VFC not all Villa fans. Just a tiny minority. Is there a reason why he wouldn't do it? Its because it would damage the reputation of VFC. So, he is happy to allow the misrepresentation to continue. Understandable if VFC had a clear policy of how they will remove Ellis from office.They don't. They need to have a rethink. Not sayingthey have to disband, but surely its time to realise that tired old statements are no longer having an effect. So, lets try and push this forward. What do we , as Villa fans, think should be done to further the aims we all have, and that is the best for Aston Villa.
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This is about personalities.
What's good for VFC has to be good for the Trust too. Just so that when the Trust speak to the media we all know just how many they are speaking for.
You're being deliberately obtuse aren't you.
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Just how many netiquette rules are you going to break?
That just about sums you up. Your life revolves so much around the internet that you're unable to work out the difference between reality and that little screen you're forever looking at.
In the big world outside you're being laughed at, but why should you care as long as you're happy that we're breaking your self-imposed rules.
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I just noticed someone deleted the "Site Rules" thread.
Haaaaaaaaa.
Who's laughing at who?
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Did you know that most Villa fans would not even know what any of you are talking about.
Getting all hot under the collar about nothing, that means nothing and is very boring.
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I just noticed someone deleted the "Site Rules" thread.
Well done. Spotters badge.
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The first rule of H&V is - you do not talk about H&V. The second rule of H&V is - you DO NOT talk about H&V. Third rule of H&V, someone yells Stop!, goes limp, taps out, the thread carries on for another 100 pages. Fourth rule, only twelve guys to a thread. Fifth rule, one thread at a time, fellas. Sixth rule, no misplaced apostrophes, no long links. Seventh rule, threads will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and final rule, if this is your first VFC thread at H&V, you have to use the phrase "Judean People's Front" from Monty Python.
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Did you know that most Villa fans would not even know what any of you are talking about.
Getting all hot under the collar about nothing, that means nothing and is very boring.
Are you claiming to speak for most Villa fans? :smt002
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The first rule of H&V is - you do not talk about H&V. The second rule of H&V is - you DO NOT talk about H&V. Third rule of H&V, someone yells Stop!, goes limp, taps out, the thread carries on for another 100 pages. Fourth rule, only twelve guys to a thread. Fifth rule, one thread at a time, fellas. Sixth rule, no misplaced apostrophes, no long links. Seventh rule, threads will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and final rule, if this is your first VFC thread at H&V, you have to use the phrase "Judean People's Front" from Monty Python.
Rule four subsection 3, Disco Stu is allowed to be as inflamatory as he likes and if anyone complains we delete the site rules.
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Fourth rule, only twelve guys to a thread
Amendment: For home game match threads there shall be only 3 guys to a thread.
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We might have lost "some good posters" but we also lost an offensive, idiotic, pedantic clown named Mooney, so there was some compensation.
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Rule four subsection 4, anonimity is to be respected unless we decide it isn't.
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Rule four subsection 3, Disco Stu is allowed to be as inflamatory as he likes and if anyone complains we delete the site rules.
Actually, they've been unstickied so that they fall back into the pack. Be a good boy and find them for us!
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LG - Mark Hall - whatever your name is. You are entitled to your opnion and you make some good discussion points, but if you carry on like this on VT, you will be banned (again?) quicker than you can say Ellis Out.
Perhaps you will review your opening comments in your welcome thread then :smt002
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Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.
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I just noticed someone deleted the "Site Rules" thread.
Haaaaaaaaa.
Who's laughing at who?
We're laughing at you.
The Rules are still there. You want to learn how to look.
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Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.
Why, isn't it allowed?
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Actually, they've been unstickied so that they fall back into the pack. Be a good boy and find them for us!
Highly amusing, I'd love to have been in on that discussion.
"Delete them"
"We can't"
"Why not"
"We'll look stupid"
"Ok we'll unsticky them and no one will notice".
Clever boys, clever.
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Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.
Why?
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LG - Mark Hall - whatever your name is.
It's not Mark Hall - It was my mistake.
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Why, isn't it allowed?
Isn't it Satans den?
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Actually, they've been unstickied so that they fall back into the pack. Be a good boy and find them for us!
Highly amusing, I'd love to have been in on that discussion.
"Delete them"
"We can't"
"Why not"
"We'll look stupid"
"Ok we'll unsticky them and no one will notice".
Clever boys, clever.
I'm not aware of there being a discussion about it. It was just done.
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Actually, they've been unstickied so that they fall back into the pack. Be a good boy and find them for us!
Highly amusing, I'd love to have been in on that discussion.
"Delete them"
"We can't"
"Why not"
"We'll look stupid"
"Ok we'll unsticky them and no one will notice".
Clever boys, clever.
You'll find the site rules at the top of the announcement thread. As an announcement.
They're there for all to see.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewforum.php?f=1
Now stop acting like a comple fuckwit.
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It was just done.
By coincidence of course.
Haaaaaaaa.
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Why, isn't it allowed?
Isn't it Satans den?
You tell me. I've not been there in months, although I occasionally go for a peep.
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Now stop acting like a comple fuckwit.
I am not the one who has been breaking site rules and net ettiquete.
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Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.
VillaTalk is a very good read, and a nice place to get other people's opinions.
The only reason I don't post there is because the site doesn't automatically sign me in each time like this one does.
Not everyone buys into the squabbling. Most choose to ignore it.
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It was just done.
By coincidence of course.
Haaaaaaaa.
Not sure anyone's denied it. But you might want to check Mac's post above.....
Do you believe everything you're told?
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Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.
Missed the ruling that states you may only read one Villa related website.
I'm a little puzzled about the so called 'clique' you refer to Mr Gravity what with you having over 800 posts and all that, can't say i've noticed one but if it upsets you so much why don't you stomp off in a huff and take your bat and ball home.
Bloody drama queen.
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I'm deeply offended. We've been at this for almst 24 hours, and John still only thinks I'm 'borderline'. Please demand my banning, John. Please.
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Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.
Some of us are actually members 8-[
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Did you know that most Villa fans would not even know what any of you are talking about.
Getting all hot under the collar about nothing, that means nothing and is very boring.
Are you claiming to speak for most Villa fans? :smt002
of course :-
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I'm deeply offended. We've been at this for almst 24 hours, and John still only thinks I'm 'borderline'. Please demand my banning, John. Please.
Seconded. Ban him. He's a witch.
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LG - Mark Hall - whatever your name is.
It's not Mark Hall - It was my mistake.
he he - who cares
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Moderator, mr Woodhall has broken the site rules (where-ever they are currently floating), can you ban him please. Thanks.
I refer to rule four subsection four.
Highly amusing.
I've got work to do.
(i am a closet gay)
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Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.
Some of us are actually members 8-[
Cough. :-
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Moderator, mr Woodhall has broken the site rules (where-ever they are currently floating), can you ban him please. Thanks.
I refer to rule four subsection four.
Highly amusing.
I've got work to do.
Ban the Money Maker now !!!!
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Sorry before I start working, I would just like to state again how really sorry I am about the hair and sticky out ears comments. I should be banned, but I have apologised. Anyway the site rules are floating in the ether somewhere (that was so funny).
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Moderator, mr Woodhall has broken the site rules (where-ever they are currently floating), can you ban him please. Thanks.
I refer to rule four subsection four.
Highly amusing.
I've got work to do.
No, this is entertaining me. Please stay.
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Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.
Shock horror, Villa fans viewing Aston Villa website shocker!
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Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.
Shock horror, Villa fans viewing Aston Villa website shocker!
The irony in that comment is amazing as we are the infidels are on some global plot to help Ellis assimilate the World.
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Any chance of withdrawing your purile allegations before you fuck off John?
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I'm with Soccer, come on LG hang around, share more of your wisdom with us.
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I can (pretend to) be obnoxious and have inflammatory and flimsy arguments just to keep the fun going.......
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Any chance of withdrawing your purile allegations before you fuck off John?
Which ones, the ones relating to the drip, drip, drip of the gay mafia or something equally deluded?
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The ones about the holocaust not happening would be a start.
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Bollocks now he's gone i've started to worry about Villa's future again.
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I'm with Soccer, come on LG hang around, share more of your wisdom with us.
thirded.
Everyone loves a Mooney :smt058
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LG - Mark Hall - whatever your name is. You are entitled to your opnion and you make some good discussion points, but if you carry on like this on VT, you will be banned (again?) quicker than you can say Ellis Out.
Perhaps you will review your opening comments in your welcome thread then :smt002
Do I take it that the Holocaust denier is receiving a warm welcome on VT?
They do take the "enemey's enemy is my friend" line a bit far at times.
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Anyway the site rules are floating in the ether somewhere (that was so funny).
Do you not stop to think for one second that you look (more and more) like a fool because you can't find the site rules.
Makes a good conspiracy. And what about all this arguing to the point stuff that you used to come out with. You can't even follow your own rules yet you expect others to be observed.
Moto of the day. Never argue with a Looney. People might not notice the difference.
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I'm sure he'll be back. For all that he pretends to dislike us he still keeps coming back for more.
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I'm with Soccer, come on LG hang around, share more of your wisdom with us.
thirded.
Everyone loves a Mooney :smt058
Is it my friend and yours - good old Johnny Boy.
Remember - "Arbeit Macht Frei"
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Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.
Amazing how many people think there's a loyalty issue with reading VillaTalk or H&V.
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Wait until he finds out that the Villatalk shop sells Kylie cds and advertises Paul O'Grady's autobiography.
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Nearly 2/3 of the way to the 100 page mark. What can we pointlessly argue about next to keep the momentum going?
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Do I take it that the Holocaust denier is receiving a warm welcome on VT?
So far - Well he's pushed the right buttons so far :-$
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Strawman.
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Straw Dogs.
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Nearly 2/3 of the way to the 100 page mark. What can we pointlessly argue about next to keep the momentum going?
Go on then.
SPLITTER!!
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I'm missing him already! Can we serialise this thread in H&V?
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Proabably before my time on this site but who exactly is this LG/John mooney chap?
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We're now guaranteed to get the Ton!!
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Proabably before my time on this site but who exactly is this LG/John mooney chap?
LG was in a volatile but loving relationship with Duncan Norvelle until Duncan spent a winter in Panto in Bornemouth and met somebody else which resulted in LG going slightly off the rails and turning into a homophobic holocaust denier.
Apart from that he's a well balanced individual who most definately does not have any chips on his shoulder.
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Big Daddy strikes.....it's in the air, oh that's sailed into the upper tier...
Great strike to try and reach this century....
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Proabably before my time on this site but who exactly is this LG/John mooney chap?
He was a man kind enough to share with his slow drift into madness. He was a long time poster who went away for a bit, presumably for some sort of therapy, then came back and stated telling us about the gay mafia who converted children, denying the holocaust and had some sort of obsession with Fatima Whitbread that I could never quite fathom.
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Just read the previous 10 pages to catch up!
LG is a bit of a wally! but he had a good point if it is true that the site rules were unstickied (is that a word), that was a bit of a PR cock-up!
My personal view is that VFC & ST are completely and utterly useless. Money runs football, and fans are inconsequential.
Ellis will not leave Villa because some obsessives, who should really be doing something more productive with their time keep shouting and stamping their feet. He has correctly stated put up the money or shup the F*ck up, and now it looks like someone may be about to do the former, and we will find out once and for all, whether this is a good thing or not for Aston Villa Football Club.
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The share price just keeps on falling.......
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The share price just keeps on falling.......
Which is indicative of what?
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The share price just keeps on falling.......
Which is indicative of what?
Well it could either be that any possible takeover is now very unlikely, or if there is a takeober bid, that it isn't going to be for as much as people thought.
Bearing in mind that Doug probably isn't going to sell for what he sees as a low price, I know which is the most likely.
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LG is a bit of a wally! but he had a good point if it is true that the site rules were unstickied (is that a word), that was a bit of a PR cock-up!
I know it's only my website but please help me.
I know of one set of site rules that I reset as an announcement RATHER than a sticky in the announcement forum under the Heroes and Villains section. Are there any more?
The above "rules" were also locked at the same time.
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Mac, I did caveat my comments with "if it was true".
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The share price just keeps on falling.......
Which is indicative of what?
Well it could either be that any possible takeover is now very unlikely, or if there is a takeober bid, that it isn't going to be for as much as people thought.
Bearing in mind that Doug probably isn't going to sell for what he sees as a low price, I know which is the most likely.
What's the trading volume? If it's low I would guess it indicates next to nothing.
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The share price just keeps on falling.......
Which is indicative of what?
That Villa fans should be worried about Villa's future. A falling share price would indicate that people do not think that the club is about to be sold.
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Mac, I did caveat my comments with "if it was true".
And this is what pisses me off by Mooney's coments. Rather than answer my points he just ploughs on with complete and utter fucking rubbish.
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Mac, I did caveat my comments with "if it was true".
And this is what pisses me off by Mooney's coments. Rather than answer my points he just ploughs on with complete and utter fucking rubbish.
I don't think it was LG who said they were unstickied to be fair, wasn't it one of the mods?
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Now were back on to take over bids again, who's in charge get a grip sack everyone if you have to.
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The share price just keeps on falling.......
Which is indicative of what?
Well it could either be that any possible takeover is now very unlikely, or if there is a takeober bid, that it isn't going to be for as much as people thought.
Bearing in mind that Doug probably isn't going to sell for what he sees as a low price, I know which is the most likely.
As far as I'm aware the details of the takeover, if there is one, haven't been made public. So any trading, and I'm guessing it's small volumes as most of the available shares seem to have been snapped up, is still based on speculation.
I'm still sceptical about the whole thing but I wouldn't dismiss it just on the basis of the share price.
How much has it fallen?
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Mac, I did caveat my comments with "if it was true".
And this is what pisses me off by Mooney's coments. Rather than answer my points he just ploughs on with complete and utter fucking rubbish.
I don't think it was LG who said they were unstickied to be fair, wasn't it one of the mods?
Mooney said they'd been deleted, when they had not. And they certainly hadn't been un-stickied to drop down the order. In fact the reverse was true!
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He was a man kind enough to share with his slow drift into madness. He was a long time poster who went away for a bit, presumably for some sort of therapy, then came back and stated telling us about the gay mafia who converted children, denying the holocaust and had some sort of obsession with Fatima Whitbread that I could never quite fathom.
Wow, i bet the VFC are really happy having such a nice individual argue their case.
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Actually, they've been unstickied so that they fall back into the pack. Be a good boy and find them for us!
Dave seemed to think that they'd been deleted, Chris seemed to think they'd been unstickied, where was the "moved" note to say where they'd ended up?
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I wasn't aware that they'd been moved.
I did lock the thread - delete the replies and make it an announcement.
And add 1 little change. :smt002
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How much has it fallen?
From over a fiver a share a week or two ago, down to £4.27. That's a pretty big drop, and it's getting steadily lower. Not what you'd normally expect to happen prior to a takeover at all.
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How much has it fallen?
From over a fiver a share a week or two ago, down to £4.27. That's a pretty big drop, and it's getting steadily lower. Not what you'd normally expect to happen prior to a takeover at all.
Profit taking.
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Just read the previous 10 pages to catch up!
LG is a bit of a wally! but he had a good point if it is true that the site rules were unstickied (is that a word), that was a bit of a PR cock-up!
My personal view is that VFC & ST are completely and utterly useless. Money runs football, and fans are inconsequential.
Ellis will not leave Villa because some obsessives, who should really be doing something more productive with their time keep shouting and stamping their feet. He has correctly stated put up the money or shup the F*ck up, and now it looks like someone may be about to do the former, and we will find out once and for all, whether this is a good thing or not for Aston Villa Football Club.
Well I for one disagree with your personal view. For all their faults at least they've had a try. They don't have the money that's required but they've used what skills they've had whether rightly or wrongly to put a message/their message across and some people do actually believe in some of what they have to say. Maybe if they got more to believe and every supporter stumped up £500 as proposed by Hodgson at the first meeting things might have been different. It's now moved on to a different level and a bit repetative and therefore loses it's impact. If I were part of VFC (and I'm not) I wouldn't bother preaching on this site because even if it was a gem it would be ripped apart, dissected and pilloried for every minor discrepency and not just because of the content but because of the personalities involved.
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From over a fiver a share a week or two ago, down to £4.27. That's a pretty big drop, and it's getting steadily lower. Not what you'd normally expect to happen prior to a takeover at all.
Profit taking.[/quote]
Don't think so. The shares don't look like they're being sold in enough quantities.
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...I asked questions regarding VFC possibly having to change tactics as the current one wasn't working. I asked about campaign direction. I asked about a campaign coordinater. I asked whether VFC could see that they had lost support of many Villa fans who initially welcomed them because of a failure to address that maybe, just maybe, their current campaign had run its course. None of these- which are more related to the topic in question- received a reply.....
I think I answered those points, somewhere back about 30 pages ago. Admittedly, as is often the way on all kinds of threads, the answer may have got lost in all the, er, "non-related" postings.
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Am I the only person who doesn't give a toss what Jon Fear is referred to as in the media?
My life more or less carries on as normal, regardless...
Can I join your clique please. And while we're in a confessional (bloody Mooney) I occasionally have a look at VillaTalk too. Like to see different views and (I can't believe I'm admitting this) sometimes agree with points made over there. Which is why I disagree with...
If I were part of VFC (and I'm not) I wouldn't bother preaching on this site because even if it was a gem it would be ripped apart, dissected and pilloried for every minor discrepency and not just because of the content but because of the personalities involved.
Because if you've evolved to a level where you can see beyond any personal, purile or irrelevant utterances, you are left with some good points, worthy questions and a wider view. Far better than sticking to people who tell you you're great all the time. There lies the path to head and back distortion.
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I look at VT, am a member but never post, too many rules in their. LG I am sorry , what is his point apart from being an arse. Really VFC is a complete waste of time. LG you keyboard warrior ](*,)
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Am I the only person who doesn't give a toss what Jon Fear is referred to as in the media?
My life more or less carries on as normal, regardless...
Can I join your clique please. And while we're in a confessional (bloody Mooney) I occasionally have a look at VillaTalk too. Like to see different views and (I can't believe I'm admitting this) sometimes agree with points made over there. Which is why I disagree with...
Although, Simon, if their media appearances referred to them correctly and told us just who they were and who they represent then you'd not need to spend so much time trying to pin Pete down for an answer.
I too have a peak at the other site now and then but for me it's C5 to this sites BBC. It has the odd thing worth looking at but you wouldn't want to make a habit of it.
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Well, that's an entire morning spent reading a somewhat epic thread. I have to say I have been entertained and somewhat enlightened. I started reading dilligently, and also with an open mind regarding all VFC / ST arguments, but by page 15 I began to skip the odd page. By page 30 I decided to read just 1 in 3 pages, as lunch was only an hour away y'see. I only read one page in the fourties, and a couple in the fifties. I have however read everything from 60 upwards, so thanks for the laughs.
I have no meaningful contribution to make (much like the 60 odd pages above), but I wanted to post as I feel this thread is going to become one of those "where were you when..." moments...
With that in mind, a couple of observations:
1. Why do people on this board find to so hard to "argee to disagree"?
2. The only time I expect all Villa fans to have the same opinion on something is if we win a trophy, and we all agree "that was a good thing"
3. Laughing Gravity needs a hug.
A couple of outstanding questions (which I may have missed due to skim reading)
1. Is Laughing Gravity actually John Mooney, or the leader of the mystery Russian consortium?
2. What exactly is wrong with Disco Oscar's ears?
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Why do people on this board find to so hard to "argee to disagree"?
There are some of the most stubborn bastards in the history of stubborness on this board, but it makes for superb entertainment.
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Merely for the benefit of any sick twisted gay-bashing Nazi types (possibly with a long history of alcoholism) out there, I’ve never asked for a thread to be locked on this site.
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Smithy - you need to read the 50's properly - that was the best part.
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A couple of outstanding questions (which I may have missed due to skim reading)
1. Is Laughing Gravity actually John Mooney, or the leader of the mystery Russian consortium?
2. What exactly is wrong with Disco Oscar's ears?
1. Both.
2. They're on either side of his enormous brain.
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Where have the site rules gone?
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Where have the site rules gone?
Maybe they’ve been kidnapped by the Gay Mafia.
Then again perhaps the rules just did not happen and their alleged existence is merely part of a Zionist plot of world domination.
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Nowhere.
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Where have the site rules gone?
As I haven't posted any lyrics for a few pages:
Isn't it strange how princesses and kings
in clown-ragged capers in sawdust rings
while common people like you and me
we'll be builders for eternity
each is given a bag of tools
a shapeless mass and the book of rules
each must make his life as flowing in
tumbling block on a stepping stone
while common people like you and me
we'll be builders for eternity
each is given a bag of tools
a shapeless mass and the book of rules
look when the rain has fallen from the sky
you know the sun will be only with us for a while
while common people like you and me
we'll be builders for eternity
each is given a bag of tools
a shapeless mass and the book of rules
or
We bought a lot of things to keep you warm and dry
And a funny old crib on which the paint won’t dry
I bought you a pair of shoes
A trumpet you can blow
And a book of rules
On what to say to people when they pick on you
’cause if you stay with us you’re gonna be pretty kookie too
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lol
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Smithy - you need to read the 50's properly - that was the best part.
Bugger, was hoping to get some work done this afternoon. Thanks for the tip usav ;-)
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really easy.
Any way where are the rules I want to see if I have been wronged.
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Isn't it strange how princesses and kings
in clown-ragged capers in sawdust rings
while common people like you and me
we'll be builders for eternity
Go Let it Out, Chris.
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Nowhere.
Liar.
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Smithy - you need to read the 50's properly - that was the best part.
OK - is there a quick way of going to a specific page in this thread? Or do I have to keep going back a page at a time?
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Picked up on Google, this seems a bit suspicious:
Klandestine
The Official UK Fan Club of those Nazi Twins from America what was in the Daily Mirror
Hitler House
Itdidnotnevernothappen Boulevard
Huddersfield
HU1 0KKK
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Nowhere.
Liar.
My Bum in not on fire though.
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Smithy - you need to read the 50's properly - that was the best part.
OK - is there a quick way of going to a specific page in this thread? Or do I have to keep going back a page at a time?
Just had same problem, Mac needs to sort it out but he is having problems with his bum at the momment.
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Smithy - you need to read the 50's properly - that was the best part.
OK - is there a quick way of going to a specific page in this thread? Or do I have to keep going back a page at a time?
http://heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=6065&start=725
Should see you right
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Rules should not be necessary in a society based on mutual trust and understanding. Their very existence is proof that we as individuals have failed.
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Although, Simon, if their media appearances referred to them correctly and told us just who they were and who they represent then you'd not need to spend so much time trying to pin Pete down for an answer.
A thing of the past now. He answered somewhere in the fourties (or maybe fifties). So as long as they don't go changing....
Mind, there are a couple on the list who claim not to be, so maybe I'll launch into another three years of dodgy, meaningless internet conspiracy theorising. ;)
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Rules should not be necessary in a society based on mutual trust and understanding. Their very existence is proof that we as individuals have failed.
Still rules are rules and where would we be without rules?
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Still rules are rules and where would we be without rules?
On here, wasting our lives away.
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Hasnt it been a nice day weather wise :-
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Hasnt it been a nice day weather wise :-
Are you Mark Hall by an chance?!
If so you're banned from here and every website in the world!
You're not? Oh.
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Just catching up with this. I was me that told LG/whatever the big fat porky about the rules being unstickied. But while we're on the rules:-
Spamming, flooding, trolling and flaming will not be tolerated.
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this earlier.
TROLL
TROLL
TROLL
So others broke the rules of the site, as pointed out by a troller.
=;
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Still rules are rules and where would we be without rules?
A rule of thumb is that rules are there to be broken.
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can everyone stop getting banned.
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Still rules are rules and where would we be without rules?
France?
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Spamming and flaming I get, what are trolling and flooding?
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A statement from Stars for Mooney:
We, the undersigned, respectfully ask that you right old nasty lot on H&V leave our lovely little Johnny Mooney alone. He’s a lovely bloke whose expertise in soft furnishings is second to none and who’s never got a bad word to say about anyone except gay people, Jews, Muslims, Protestants and a wide variety of other heretics.
Yours in love of Mooney,
Elton John, Dale Winton, Michael Barrymore, Paul O’Grady, H from Steps, Rufus Wainwright, Rupert Everett, Will Young, Matt Lucas, David Walliams, Tim from Four Poofs and a Piano, Roland from Four Poofs and a Piano, Brian from Four Poofs and a Piano, Trevor from Four Poofs and a Piano, Christopher Biggins, Russell Grant, Sir Ian McKellan, The Bloke who played Danny Moon in EastEnders, The Gay German from Allo Allo, Gloria from It Ain’t Alf Hot Mum, Matthew Upson, Will from Will and Grace and Todd Grimshaw.
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Flooding is posting the same thing many times in a short space of time.
Trolling is well what Mooney was doing - and what most of us are guilty of at times.
Posting simply to get a reaction and stir the shit.
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Spamming and flaming I get, what are trolling and flooding?
I know that trolls live under bridges and attack little pigs on their way to sleep in Goldilock's grandmother's cottage and have to be rescued by seven dwarves that she keeps in a nearby gingerbread house for the purpose. Maybe flooding is what happens to them when they hide under the bridge because it's raining.
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Are you completely sure they all signed it Stu?
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[Yours in love of Mooney,
Elton John, Dale Winton, Michael Barrymore, Paul O’Grady, H from Steps, Rufus Wainwright, Rupert Everett, Will Young, Matt Lucas, David Walliams, Tim from Four Poofs and a Piano, Roland from Four Poofs and a Piano, Brian from Four Poofs and a Piano, Trevor from Four Poofs and a Piano, Christopher Biggins, Russell Grant, Sir Ian McKellan, The Bloke who played Danny Moon in EastEnders, The Gay German from Allo Allo, Gloria from It Ain’t Alf Hot Mum, Matthew Upson, Will from Will and Grace and Todd Grimshaw.
Mr Humphries from Are You Being Served was also asked to sign the above.
But he wasn't free at the time
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Smithy - you need to read the 50's properly - that was the best part.
OK - is there a quick way of going to a specific page in this thread? Or do I have to keep going back a page at a time?
http://heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=6065&start=725
Should see you right
excellent, thanks usav, you weren't wrong!....
and without wishing to rehash old arguments, I'm afraid I have to take issue with Fletcher....
Cliquey Dee is very similar indeed to Kiki Dee.
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Mr Humphries from Are You Being Served was also asked to sign the above.
But he wasn't free at the time
ADMIN!!!!!!!!
Ban him for crap jokes.
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Yours in love of Mooney,
Elton John, Dale Winton, Michael Barrymore, Paul O’Grady, H from Steps, Rufus Wainwright, Rupert Everett, Will Young, Matt Lucas, David Walliams, Tim from Four Poofs and a Piano, Roland from Four Poofs and a Piano, Brian from Four Poofs and a Piano, Trevor from Four Poofs and a Piano, Christopher Biggins, Russell Grant, Sir Ian McKellan, The Bloke who played Danny Moon in EastEnders, The Gay German from Allo Allo, Gloria from It Ain’t Alf Hot Mum, Matthew Upson, Will from Will and Grace and Todd Grimshaw.
Mr Humphries from Are You Being Served was also asked to sign the above.
But he wasn't free at the time
That’s actually true.
Apparently, at the time he was helping Mrs Slocombe with a problem she had with her pussy, which had once again become quite wet for some hitherto unexplained reason.
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Innuendo on page 69. Fnarr, Fnarr
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How the hell did we get to page 69?
Wasn't it dying out till Stuey gave it a prod at about page 26
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Most things tend to die out until His Disconess gives them a prod.
Getting away from this 69's a bit of a stiff 'un.
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A statement from Stars for Mooney:
Elton John, Dale Winton, Michael Barrymore, Paul O’Grady, H from Steps, Rufus Wainwright, Rupert Everett, Will Young, Matt Lucas, David Walliams, Tim from Four Poofs and a Piano, Roland from Four Poofs and a Piano, Brian from Four Poofs and a Piano, Trevor from Four Poofs and a Piano, Christopher Biggins, Russell Grant, Sir Ian McKellan, The Bloke who played Danny Moon in EastEnders, The Gay German from Allo Allo, Gloria from It Ain’t Alf Hot Mum, Matthew Upson, Will from Will and Grace and Todd Grimshaw.
I note with interest that Duncan 'Chase Me,Chase Me' Norvelle hasn't taken the time to sign.
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All hands to the pumps to keep the thread going......
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I note with interest that Duncan 'Chase Me,Chase Me' Norvelle hasn't taken the time to sign.
Yes he has, look:
Elton John, Dale Winton, Michael Barrymore, Paul O’Grady, H from Steps, Rufus Wainwright, Rupert Everett, Will Young, Matt Lucas, David Walliams, Tim from Four Poofs and a Piano, Roland from Four Poofs and a Piano, Brian from Four Poofs and a Piano, Trevor from Four Poofs and a Piano, Christopher Biggins, Russell Grant, Sir Ian McKellan, The Bloke who played Danny Moon in EastEnders, The Gay German from Allo Allo, Gloria from It Ain’t Alf Hot Mum, Matthew Upson, Will from Will and Grace and Todd Grimshaw, Duncan 'Chase Me,Chase Me' Norvelle.
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I note with interest that Duncan 'Chase Me,Chase Me' Norvelle hasn't taken the time to sign.
I thought that he was straight and only put on the campness to further his career.
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I thought that he was straight and only put on the campness to further his career.
well it did his career the world of good
last seen performing the end of pier show......................on Southend Pier
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Thank God we're onto page 70. That 69 was a bit of a mouthful.
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Thank God we're onto page 70. That 69 was a bit of a mouthful.
Have you suddenly turned into Finbarr Saunders?
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Isn't it marvellous how we've all stopped worrying about Villa's future and are now discussing the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle?
Perhaps VFC do serve a purpose after all.
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Isn't it marvellous how we've all stopped worrying about Villa's future and are now discussing the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle?
Perhaps VFC do serve a purpose after all.
And how are the two linked?
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Isn't it marvellous how we've all stopped worrying about Villa's future and are now discussing the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle?
Perhaps VFC do serve a purpose after all.
And how are the two linked?
About 20 years ago when this thread started i seem to recall it having something or other to do with the latest bag of wind issued by whoever is the fans fuhrer these days and yet somehow we've got on to more pressing matters.
Let's just wait and see whether VFC issue a statement relating to Mr Norvelle's sexuality before questioning any link shall we?
And shouldn't you be coming up with some double entendres?
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Are you sure he's not bent?
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No. And on second thoughts if he isn't he's a bloody good actor. And ot's a travesty that he's not had bigger parts. Ooooo-errrr
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Seeing as this thread is 70, as per stock exchange rules it should retire. Heaven forbid it carries on until 82.
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Isn't it marvellous how we've all stopped worrying about Villa's future and are now discussing the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle?
Perhaps VFC do serve a purpose after all.
And how are the two linked?
As per Chris Moyle's & 'Comedy' Dave's Tedious link, I refer the honourable gentleman to the previous 69 pages of posts....
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Who wants us to lose the Man City game so that O'Leary gets the push?
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Who wants us to lose the Man City game so that O'Leary gets the push?
Stuart Pearce?
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Who wants us to lose the Man City game so that O'Leary gets the push?
Ain't seen one of those polls before. ;-)
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from givemefootball.com
Aston Villa fans´ groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later.
Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday´s annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential investors will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.
VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
So lets start from the beginning because I got lost half way through, whats da big idea!
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I think that bloke Fear's right.
Shall I close the thread?
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I think that bloke Fear's right.
Shall I close the thread?
No
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from givemefootball.com
Aston Villa fans´ groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later.
Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday´s annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential investors will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.
VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
So lets start from the beginning because I got lost half way through, whats da big idea!
It's like Les Dawson's piano playing, playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order. Either that, or Jonathan Fear is being misquoted.
I really do wish Jonathan would come on here and have a chat.
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I got rather upset at the 'shall I close the thread' comment because I had just managed to read to here and wanted to post something. Imagine my horror after reading all the preceding trolling, flaming, flooding, gobbing, sucking, camping and thumping if it had indeed been locked. That woulkd surely have been spoiling?
Oh shit, now I have forgotten what my point was, I guess I'll have to re-read it all again.
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More Stars for Mooney have outed themselves:
Jackie Mason, Maureen Lipman, Ester Rantzen, Sir Alan Sugar, Krusty the Clown, Kirk Douglas, David Baddiel, Omri Katz, Adam Sandler, Ben Stiller, Harrison Ford, Barbra Streisand, Natalie Portman, Bette Midler, Tori Spelling, Sacha Baron Cohen, Bob Dylan, Sir Ben Kingsley, Carly Simon, Craig David and Harry Connick Jr.
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More Stars for Mooney have outed themselves:
Jackie Mason, Maureen Lipman, Ester Rantzen, Sir Alan Sugar, Krusty the Clown, Kirk Douglas, David Baddiel, Omri Katz, Adam Sandler, Ben Stiller, Harrison Ford, Barbra Streisand, Natalie Portman, Bette Midler, Tori Spelling, Sacha Baron Cohen, Bob Dylan, Sir Ben Kingsley, Carly Simon, Craig David and Harry Connick Jr.
You forgot Jesus of Nazereth.
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It's like Les Dawson's piano playing, playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order. .
Your mixing your vintage comedy quotes/comedian's to suit your own puns, Kelly. That just won't do.
Everyone knows it was Eric Morcambe that knew all the right notes, not necessairly in the right order. As for Dawson, he just had two left hands.
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Thanks USAV.
I had a feeling it was Eric and not Les but due to tiredness, couldn't be bothered to check.
Speaking of Eric Morecombe - care to name his Villa connection?
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More Stars for Mooney have outed themselves:
Jackie Mason, Maureen Lipman, Ester Rantzen, Sir Alan Sugar, Krusty the Clown, Kirk Douglas, David Baddiel, Omri Katz, Adam Sandler, Ben Stiller, Harrison Ford, Barbra Streisand, Natalie Portman, Bette Midler, Tori Spelling, Sacha Baron Cohen, Bob Dylan, Sir Ben Kingsley, Carly Simon, Craig David and Harry Connick Jr.
You forgot Jesus of Nazereth.
You also forgot Brian of Nazareth and Manny Charlton of Nazareth.
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Thanks USAV.
I had a feeling it was Eric and not Les but due to tiredness, couldn't be bothered to check.
Speaking of Eric Morecombe - care to name his Villa connection?
Eric, Luton Town’s most famous fan, presented Ron Saunders with his Manager of the Year Award in 1981, Mr Preview.
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More Stars for Mooney have outed themselves:
Jackie Mason, Maureen Lipman, Ester Rantzen, Sir Alan Sugar, Krusty the Clown, Kirk Douglas, David Baddiel, Omri Katz, Adam Sandler, Ben Stiller, Harrison Ford, Barbra Streisand, Natalie Portman, Bette Midler, Tori Spelling, Sacha Baron Cohen, Bob Dylan, Sir Ben Kingsley, Carly Simon, Craig David and Harry Connick Jr.
You forgot Jesus of Nazereth.
I believe Mooney’s still in denial about that one.
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Thanks USAV.
I had a feeling it was Eric and not Les but due to tiredness, couldn't be bothered to check.
Speaking of Eric Morecombe - care to name his Villa connection?
Eric, Luton Town’s most famous fan, presented Ron Saunders with his Manager of the Year Award in 1981, Mr Preview.
well done.
with answers like that the Shrews will be put to the sword again.
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What a wicked thread! Just read page 49 up to the present day.
And yes I am bored at work.
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Thanks USAV.
I had a feeling it was Eric and not Les but due to tiredness, couldn't be bothered to check.
Speaking of Eric Morecombe - care to name his Villa connection?
Eric, Luton Town’s most famous fan, presented Ron Saunders with his Manager of the Year Award in 1981, Mr Preview.
You were close Discoboy but in fact Ron was presented the Manager of the Year Award by Big Eric in 1975!!!
Preview that!
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Speaking of Eric Morecombe - care to name his Villa connection?
Err...Morecambe play in the same league as Tamworth who were once managed by Paul Hendrie who is the father of Lee hendrie who occasionally plays for Villa?
Do I win five pounds?
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No Dave but I think you should be fined £5 for continuously promoting Tamworth. :-$
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This is ridiculous. Can we please get back on topic and discuss the important issue rather than all this frivolity?
Is Duncan Norvelle gay?
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Top thread. Paul Hendries a Bluenose, that makes that waste of space Lee Hendrie a Bluenose poof who wants to make whoopee with Laughing Gravity.
Did I mention O'Leary out?
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This is ridiculous. Can we please get back on topic and discuss the important issue rather than all this frivolity?
Is Duncan Norvelle gay?
Allegedly?
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Top thread. Paul Hendries a Bluenose, that makes that waste of space Lee Hendrie a Bluenose poof who wants to make whoopee with Laughing Gravity.
Did I mention O'Leary out?
Even better than the Barton's classic!
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No Dave but I think you should be fined £5 for continuously promoting Tamworth. :-$
What? Me, the third duke of Hill Top, promoting Tamworth FC who play at The Lamb Ground, Kettlebrook, Tamworth, roll up, roll up only a tenner to stand on real terracing, come on it's better than watching Villa and you all know it?
What were they thinking?
Chin chin!
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And with the score now standing at a healthy 72, we hand over to the night shift.
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And with the score now standing at a healthy 72, we hand over to the night shift.
It may be the night shift for you, but my day is just beginning here in China. I can't be bothered to read the previous posts, so I am not going to make any comment relevant to this thread other than Jesus was not bent, but his boyfriend, Judas, was.
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Judas wasn't just bent, he was a dodgy backstabber. :-
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I hoped MR Gravity was going to re appear and continue. for 70 pages I've been saving my 'back to reality ther goes Gravity' gag. now I've got to decide whether DuncamNorvelle is gay instead. Well if he isn't then there can't have been a holocaust.Any other gays who may or may not be? Green from Scritti Politti?Garth Crooks?Mark Lawrenson? Steve McDonald from Coronation St?Pat Nevin?Carl lewis?Prince Edward?Nick Hancock? Tom Cruise?Jason Donovan?
You tend to find that those that constantly bang on against homosexuality, oo er, are closet gays themselves. They just haven't found the right time to express their true feelings have man love/lust. maybe if Mr Mooney has homophobic tendencies, we should give him a hug and tell him that in us he has friends. We love him for who he is, and if he wishes to stab shit, or turd burgle, we can only be there for him.
Oh, and Les Dawson can play the piano. Well, could. It was said that anyone who could play a whole song just a key off could play the piano to a high standard. Plus, he was great on blankety blank. So much better than Wogan.
Oh, the good old days, Les Dawson, Eric Morecambe, Bob Monkhouse, Sid James, Tommy Cooper...who we got now? David Baddiel? Has he ever said anything remotely funny? Now Frank has dropped him, how does he earn a living?
Mind you at least we don't have Little & Large and Cannon & Ball anymore. Just French and Saunders. Ho fucking ho.
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If Jon Fear pulled an outrageously fit bird with big tits and had her on his arm at every press event, would people hate him more or would we pull behind VFC hoping to see her jugs?
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By the way, what is the record for the longest thread? I know the Bartons hit page 374, but can anyone give a definitive answer? Oh, and all those that hounded that poor landlord chap out of a job,home, and a happy life, is it a better pub now?
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If we beat Man City on Monday night, can we change the title of this thread to Villa fans Deliriously happy with David O'Leary. European football is now just a step away. Who really is to blame for our current predicament?
1) The Players - just not performing. Performance levels are not up to standard.
2) Coaching staff - Not getting the players right for a game. The players do not seem to put in a full 90 minutes and we'ew nearly into November.
3) The manager - He picks the team , gives the talks, maybe decides on tactics, tries to motivate the team. Are his players not good enough, are his staff not good enough.
4)The chairman - Although funds were given. Are they 'substantial' enough. Is his hold on power distracting the manager who feels the need to back him up, and therefore affecting the team.
5) The fans - constant whinging and moaning. Players aren't confident because fans are on their back. Teh relationship with the manager is aas low as its ever been.
6) The media - The constant deriding of the club over the years makes us seem a worse prospect to join than we really are. The impression is of a club that is based on rooten wood that is about to collapse. The media give the impression that our upwardly mobile neighbours are exciting and we are pointless. This also affects fans.
7) VFC/ ST - Are these a problem? Constant back biting and poisonous relations with each other, and the club surely takes its toll. Why would Ellis want to see us happy when we've fucked him off for so long?
8) History - Has the fact that we were a great club over 100 years ago, and for 2 years in the 80's finally come back to haunt us. Is it a millstone around or necks? Does any other club live off the back off things that were achieved so long ago?
Finally, is this just symptomatic of football. If we win 2 or 3 on the bounce do all these questions go away? Do we really care about Ellis/DOL etc if we end up in Europe? Is the back biting only a frustrated football fans knee jerk reaction to seeing the team not being more successful? Something isn't right at VP and I think all of the above apply. Villa have been a highly political club for as long as my memory of history stretches back. This is just the next stage. Is it time to batten down the hatches and pull together to prepare for the next chapter in our history? Afterall it is our motto.
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Top thread. Paul Hendries a Bluenose, that makes that waste of space Lee Hendrie a Bluenose poof who wants to make whoopee with Laughing Gravity.
Did I mention O'Leary out?
A big nosed blue nose at that. He must be a jew too
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8) History - Has the fact that we were a great club over 100 years ago, and for 2 years in the 80's finally come back to haunt us. Is it a millstone around or necks? Does any other club live off the back off things that were achieved so long ago?
No, but many live of false marketing that would have you believe that they were once great. The poor deluded northern stripey bastards spring to mind.
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Actually, joking aside if anyone doesn't think the holocaust happened they are just sick. Have they spoken to anyone who had relatives there? Well, now you have. My great grandfather died at Belsen. He fell out of his watch tower.
I'll get my coat
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Can I be the first to welcome everyone to page 73 \:D/
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Can I be the first to welcome everyone to page 73 \:D/
Sadly, no.
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Can I be the first to welcome everyone to page 73 \:D/
Sadly, no.
I didn't see you making anyone feel welcome. Just a blunt and sadly depressing post was what greeted everyone to this page. Luckily I managed to turn it around and make everyone feel warm and fuzzy again \:D/
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Can I be the first to welcome everyone to page 73 \:D/
Sadly, no.
I didn't see you making anyone feel welcome. Just a blunt and sadly depressing post was what greeted everyone to this page. Luckily I managed to turn it around and make everyone feel warm and fuzzy again \:D/
Actually, you're right. May I cast thee behind me Satan and welcome the world with anew found sense of light, warmth, and togetherness. Lg, come back ol' son. VFC? ah well. Boys will be boys. Chicago, I thank you.
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Can I join the queue to tell Pete Winters to seek more gainful employment because what he does at the moment clearly is not keeping him suitably occupied?
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Actually, you're right. May I cast thee behind me Satan and welcome the world with anew found sense of light, warmth, and togetherness. Lg, come back ol' son. VFC? ah well. Boys will be boys. Chicago, I thank you.
My child, you are forgiven O:)
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Looks like the boy Peter will get his ton.
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Damn straight.
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Looks like the boy Peter will get his ton.
And you can't say he doesn't deserve it. He's just kept his head down in a Chris Tavare kind of a way, steadily accumulating while allowing those at the other end to play a more expansive game.
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He'll only make the ton by plodding away posting to himself though!
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Shall we talk about something controversial to keep it going for him?
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You see any decent team needs somebody who can keep his end up. I've seen you all playing the exciting stuff down the other end, and one by one you've gone. Some call it boring I grant you. But just look at my average, JSUT LOOK AT MY AVERAGE!!!!!!!!
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Share price has fallen another 5p.
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Could tha be because its settling back down to its proper price as most people on buying to make a quick profit now. Whether Doug is in talks with people or not, the share price will fluctuate due to it beinga lenghty process.
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Could tha be because its settling back down to its proper price as most people on buying to make a quick profit now. Whether Doug is in talks with people or not, the share price will fluctuate due to it beinga lenghty process.
It's not fluctuating, it's dropping like a stone.
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Quick run there....
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It went up following Doug saying he was in talks. There's been a lull so now they're dropping. That's fluctuation in the market place. No?
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Do any of you capitalist running dogs actually understand the stock market or are you just guessing?
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It went up following Doug saying he was in talks. There's been a lull so now they're dropping. That's fluctuation in the market place. No?
I have a theory that rather than reliquish control in one big take over Doug is maximising he profits by selling a few shares at a time.
Every now and again he gives the press just enough of a rumour for them to print a take over story then as the share price rises sells off a few then releases a statement denying the rumours.
He will stay in control till he's in his box, then we'll find out that at the time of his death he only actually owned 4% of the club.
Just a theory mind.
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By the way, we've got the cricket team out here now. They were in the bar last night and will be again tonight. According to Michael Vaughan they'll be there most nights. Any tips that you think I should take on how to plod my way to this ton?
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It went up following Doug saying he was in talks. There's been a lull so now they're dropping. That's fluctuation in the market place. No?
It's a steady decline because investors don't believe it's going to happen is my opinion.
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It went up following Doug saying he was in talks. There's been a lull so now they're dropping. That's fluctuation in the market place. No?
It's a steady decline because investors don't believe it's going to happen is my opinion.
But surely the same way it goes opward markedly at the suggestion of a sale, then it will drop too when it doesn't happen immediately. A take over doesn't happen in one or two weeks it can take months. Surely, this is the share price finding its true value. The investors aren't going to but at £5 a share are they. If they are then they're not exactly dripping with business acumen. It would be wiser for the preice to drop and then they can get more for their money.
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It went up following Doug saying he was in talks. There's been a lull so now they're dropping. That's fluctuation in the market place. No?
It's a steady decline because investors don't believe it's going to happen is my opinion.
I'm not arguing but doesn't the share price change sometimes simply to "drum up buisness"?
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Right thats me done until Monday. Please make sure this is on 98 or 99 whence I return and I can hold my bat aloft triumphantly....
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I'm not arguing but doesn't the share price change sometimes simply to "drum up buisness"?
How? The share price isn't decided upon by the club, it's down to market forces. People are selling their shares, which isn't usually what you'd expect prior to a takeover. (Obviously the main owner has to sell their shares during a takeover, before any smart arse points that out!)
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The "market people". I know that sounds vague because my understanding of it is vague.
But sometimes the jump in Villa's share price simply does not reflect the volumes of shares traded.
(http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/380/share1ir.png)
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Yes, i think people are beginning to think that its not gonna happen - not for a good while yet.
Herbert is looking remarkably healthy at the moment compared with a few months ago.
He seems to have taken a real hands on approach (as per usual) with the construction of the training ground.
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I'm not arguing but doesn't the share price change sometimes simply to "drum up buisness"?
How? The share price isn't decided upon by the club, it's down to market forces. People are selling their shares, which isn't usually what you'd expect prior to a takeover. (Obviously the main owner has to sell their shares during a takeover, before any smart arse points that out!)
As was pointed out elsewhere it's only on small volumes and as Nick Lees noted:
Given that Petchey has such a huge number of shares mostly bought at the £1-£2 level, if the takeover was looking dead in the water I'd be suprised if he didn't let a small percentage go to take some profit while the going was good, and he clearly hasn't.
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People are selling their shares, which isn't usually what you'd expect prior to a takeover.
Conversely, somebody is buying those shares, no?
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Given that Petchey has such a huge number of shares mostly bought at the £1-£2 level, if the takeover was looking dead in the water I'd be suprised if he didn't let a small percentage go to take some profit while the going was good, and he clearly hasn't.
Yeah because Petchey is really going to be that concerned about a few quid isn't he? He knows that one day, we'll be taken over, and his investment will pay big dividends, until then he'll sit tight.
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I asked this a few posts ago.
Do any of you capitalist running dogs actually understand the stock market or are you just guessing?
I think the exchange above shows that so far none of us that have posted on the topic have the slightest clue what we are talking about. No change there then, carry on. :smt002
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I always thought share price was driven by supply and demand. Pure economics in action.
However somebody (oh alright, Mark Ansell) told me that frequently the market will re-value the price simply to stimulate trading. How I don't know.
Of course this could be complete crap.
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I think the exchange above shows that so far none of us that have posted on the topic have the slightest clue what we are talking about. No change there then, carry on. :smt002
Speak for yourself!
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I think the exchange above shows that so far none of us that have posted on the topic have the slightest clue what we are talking about. No change there then, carry on. :smt002
Speak for yourself!
I speak for all Villa fans.
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I've worked out why Laughing Gravity hasn't been back to entertain us. He's been moonlighting as a speech writer for the President of Iran.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4384264.stm
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I speak for all Villa fans.
I've got to say it.......
Who died and made you Jon Fear? :smt002
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Good morning everyone.
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Tish and pish to you all.
'Tis I that speak for all Villa fans, I have the common touch, I come from a council estate background and I never get out the bath to have a piss.
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Surely the biggest indication that a take over wasn’t going to happen was Robobum saying it was.
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My captialist two penneth....
Share price rises as speculators get wind of possible takeover. Buying activity drives price up, club makes it known to city that there's been an enquiry, price rises further, everybody holds their breath, and hold it a little longer, no news from the club or the city, speculators get bored and go off and play somewhere else.
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Surely the biggest indication that a take over wasn’t going to happen was Robobum saying it was.
To be fair to him, he's very good at saying Doug's about to step down. I make this the sixth time he's done it.
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page 62!
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Blimey this thread is nearly as old as Doug.
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http://www.entertainers.co.uk/star-comedians/duncan-norvelle.htm
If everybody who has contributed to this thread chipped in we could book him for a Questions and Answers session perhaps at the Bartons and find out once and for all.
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page 62!
I prefer page 54. What's everyone else's favourite page?
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Page 62, its where the rules are.
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Which page(s) called for bans to be dished out left right and centre?
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I'm a fan of page 50 for the simple fact that bukkake was introduced for no reason what so ever and also 51 as it's the beginning of LG's fall into madness.
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Simon is my favourite Page.
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Which page(s) called for bans to be dished out left right and centre?
Most of them until You Know Who left us.
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Shhhh, don't say it.
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Simon is my favourite Page.
No, his mum's much nicer and his dad has that trait of eccentricity so prevalent amongst the English upper classes.
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...and also 51 as it's the beginning of LG's fall into madness.
That was actually 1976.
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which page was the bit about VFC?
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which page was the bit about VFC?
None of it. You must be thinking of another thread.
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Well, we can easily get the banning requests back.
I want everyone who contributed to this thread after Laughing Gravity left banned for making purposeless inflammatory posts.
It is not intended to allow personal attacks (be it on individuals, groups of individuals or other forums), rudeness, insulting posts or purposeless inflammatory posts.
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I would like to say that any inflammatory remarks I have made have been very purposeful.
You idiots
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Well, we can easily get the banning requests back.
I want everyone who contributed to this thread after Laughing Gravity left banned for making purposeless inflammatory posts.
It is intended to allow personal attacks (be it on individuals, groups of individuals or other forums), rudeness, insulting posts or purposeless inflammatory posts.
you miss read it.
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Well, we can easily get the banning requests back.
I want everyone who contributed to this thread after Laughing Gravity left banned for making purposeless inflammatory posts.
It is not intended to allow personal attacks (be it on individuals, groups of individuals or other forums), rudeness, insulting posts or purposeless inflammatory posts.
I can assure you that any inflamatory remarks I have made have been for a purpose. That purpose being to inflame the situation.
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I'm disappointed with Laughing Gravy, he declined my offer to bum him senseless.
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I'm disappointed with Laughing Gravy, he declined my offer to bum him senseless.
Yes, it's a real puzzle that one.
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this will never make 100 pages.
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talking about shares for a mo' (sorry) - blessed are the market makers -
Market-makers are a sort of necessary parasitic factor. They make their money over short term trades - (hoping to) make a profit on a turn in share price, or on the difference between the bid and offer price.
So if someone wants to sell their Villa shares, the market maker buys 'em hoping to quickly sell them on himself, making a (small) profit.
They will have done really well when the price was shooting up, but will be suffering now.
So in effect people can sell their shares, even when there are no real buyers out there - as the market makers have to buy them (I think they have to, anyway).
Capitalism is quite complicated really, innit?
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If nothing happens over the next month or so concerning the takeover, what sort of protests and statements can we expect from the VFC?
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I'm disappointed with Laughing Gravy, he declined my offer to bum him senseless.
So he's not completely stupid then.
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I'm disappointed with Laughing Gravy, he declined my offer to bum him senseless.
So he's not completely stupid then.
That sounds like the voice of bitter experience.
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Well I know he was angling for it but really I'm just not his type.
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Why is Pete Bland trying to get this back on topic?
He should be banned!
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I'm disappointed with Laughing Gravy, he declined my offer to bum him senseless.
I once shagged a girl senseless.
Well, I say senseless, I shagged her till she went numb, so thats kinda 'sense-less' I guess?
well, OK, I shagged her and she said she couldn't feel it, but that's the same thing right?
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Ray Davies of The Kinks, CBE and Dave Davies of The Kinks (Honour pending?) are the latest celebrities to join the campaigning organisation Stars for Mooney and they are teaming up with Elton John, Will Young, the gay one from Westlife, H from Steps and Steven Gately to release a single to promote the cause closest to John Mooney’s heart.
Thank you for the gays,
Those endless gays, those sacred gays you gave me.
I’m thinking of the gays,
I won’t forget a single gay, believe me.
I bless the light,
I bless the light that lights on you believe me.
And though you’re gone,
You’re with me every single gay, believe me.
Gays I’ll remember all my life,
Gays when you can’t see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you’d leave me,
But it’s all right,
Now I’m not frightened of this world, believe me.
I wish today could be tomorrow,
The night is dark,
It just brings sorrow anyway.
Thank you for the gays,
Those endless gays, those sacred gays you gave me.
I’m thinking of the gays,
I won’t forget a single gay, believe me.
Gays I’ll remember all my life,
Gays when you can’t see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you’d leave me,
But it’s all right,
Now I’m not frightened of this world, believe me.
Gays.
Thank you for the gays,
Those endless gays, those sacred gays you gave me.
I’m thinking of the gays,
I won’t forget a single gay, believe me.
I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you’re gone,
You’re with me every single gay, believe me.
Gays.
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Ray Davies of The Kinks, CBE and Dave Davies of The Kinks (Honour pending?) are the latest celebrities to join the campaigning organisation Stars for Mooney and they are teaming up with Elton John, Will Young, the gay one from Westlife, H from Steps and Steven Gately to release a single to promote the cause closest to John Mooney’s heart.
Thank you for the gays,
Those endless gays, those sacred gays you gave me.
I’m thinking of the gays,
I won’t forget a single gay, believe me.
I bless the light,
I bless the light that lights on you believe me.
And though you’re gone,
You’re with me every single gay, believe me.
Gays I’ll remember all my life,
Gays when you can’t see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you’d leave me,
But it’s all right,
Now I’m not frightened of this world, believe me.
I wish today could be tomorrow,
The night is dark,
It just brings sorrow anyway.
Thank you for the gays,
Those endless gays, those sacred gays you gave me.
I’m thinking of the gays,
I won’t forget a single gay, believe me.
Gays I’ll remember all my life,
Gays when you can’t see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you’d leave me,
But it’s all right,
Now I’m not frightened of this world, believe me.
Gays.
Thank you for the gays,
Those endless gays, those sacred gays you gave me.
I’m thinking of the gays,
I won’t forget a single gay, believe me.
I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you’re gone,
You’re with me every single gay, believe me.
Gays.
Bummer
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Why is Pete Bland trying to get this back on topic?
He should be banned!
Seconded.
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Morning all! Anything happen?
No, thought not.
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Why is Pete Bland trying to get this back on topic?
He should be banned!
Shouldn't that be Blanned?
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78, Welcome.
And it brings up my 1500th post! :smt038 :smt023
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Blimey, what a waste that was!
It should have been something more dramatic, like the Mitchell's arriving and saying "'ello Mum"
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Morning all! Anything happen?
No, thought not.
Just because we haven’t shot Ray Davies of The Kinks, CBE it doesn’t mean nothing’s happening.
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Getting back on topic, I have to say I am worried about my Villa future yes, I just don't think I am going to get in the team and may have to look for a move.
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Getting back on topic, I have to say I am worried about my Villa future yes, I just don't think I am going to get in the team and may have to look for a move.
Given our luck with injuries, I'd stay put for the time being.....
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Getting back on topic, I have to say I am worried about my Villa future yes, I just don't think I am going to get in the team and may have to look for a move.
Given our luck with injuries, I'd stay put for the time being.....
But I play in Midfield.
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Getting back on topic, I have to say I am worried about my Villa future yes, I just don't think I am going to get in the team and may have to look for a move.
Given our luck with injuries, I'd stay put for the time being.....
But I play in Midfield.
You're probably in better shape than Gareth Barry.
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You're probably in better shape than Gareth Barry.
So what you are saying is young Gareth is wider in the beam than Hilary Clinton.
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As an emeritus professor at the University of Gay Mafia Studies, isn’t John Mooney a world acclaimed expert on young men’s bottoms?
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As an emeritus professor at the University of Gay Mafia Studies, isn’t John Mooney a world acclaimed expert on young men’s bottoms?
Only when they start repeatedly dripping.
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Shares down another 5p......
I think Doug needs to invent another interested party.
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With four trades today and a total of 1484 shares changing hands, I don't see reason to panic.
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With four trades today and a total of 1484 shares changing hands, I don't see reason to panic.
Since when did this lot like need a reason. I wouldn't want them on my side next time I have to face the Fuzzy-Wuzzies.
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With four trades today and a total of 1484 shares changing hands, I don't see reason to panic.
Since when did this lot like need a reason. I wouldn't want them on my side next time I have to face the Fuzzy-Wuzzies.
You’re right. Unlike John Mooney, they just don’t like it up them.
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I'm trying to think of something interesting, witty and relevant, but for some reason I'm struggling this afternoon.
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I'm trying to think of something interesting, witty and relevant, but for some reason I'm struggling this afternoon.
Who's going to tell him? :-
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I'm trying to think of something interesting, witty and relevant, but for some reason I'm struggling this afternoon.
Who's going to tell him? :-
I was going to suggest he should spend the afternoon doing something where noone would notice, like writing the next issue of H&V.
But I thought better of it.
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I was going to suggest he should spend the afternoon doing something where noone would notice, like writing the next issue of H&V.
But I thought better of it.
I think the thousands who buy it might notice.
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Struggling through the 70's here. Needs picking up a bit.
How many subscribers are there Dave?
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And what are their names?
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Is this the biggest thread ever for H&V?
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Are any of them gay.
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Is this the biggest thread ever for H&V?
no
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Is this the biggest thread ever for H&V?
no
Must be close.
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I'm trying to think of something interesting, witty and relevant, but for some reason I'm struggling this afternoon.
Who's going to tell him? :-
I was going to suggest he should spend the afternoon doing something where noone would notice, like writing the next issue of H&V.
But I thought better of it.
Like he writes any of it himself.
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Is this the biggest thread ever for H&V?
no
What is then?
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Like he writes any of it himself.
You mean like all successful multimedia moguls he's mastered the art of delegation?
I'm stunned.
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I haven't read this thread since page 4. Did I miss anything?
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How many pages did the Barton's thread reach?
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HAIRY PISSFLAPS!
Can any of our posters trump that?
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How many pages did the Barton's thread reach?
Less than this one.
My Ashes thread would've reached 100 if the old board hadn't crashed Blah blah. :-({|=
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What about ****** night?
Which can be a reply to most questions on here.
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How many pages did the Barton's thread reach?
Less than this one.
My Ashes thread would've reached 100 if the old board hadn't crashed Blah blah. :-({|=
Oh no it wouldn't
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What about ****** night?
Teh best thread ever.
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Was that the infamous 03/3/03 match? Anyone got a link?
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Was that the infamous 03/3/03 match? Anyone got a link?
Lost amongst our many changes, I'm afraid. We could always ask the perpetrator to re-record it.
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HAIRY PISSFLAPS!
Can any of our posters trump that?
what about
dig up a badger and bum it exclam.
Phrase used when in a state of extreme sexual frustration. 'I tell you what, Una. I'm that horny I'd happily dig up a badger and bum it.'
Yes, I'm a big fan of the profanisaurus
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Lost amongst our many changes, I'm afraid. We could always ask the perpetrator to re-record it.
We could have a tribute thread?
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HAIRY PISSFLAPS!
Can any of our posters trump that?
what about
dig up a badger and bum it exclam.
Phrase used when in a state of extreme sexual frustration. 'I tell you what, Una. I'm that horny I'd happily dig up a badger and bum it.'
Yes, I'm a big fan of the profanisaurus
KEITH HARRIS, DO A. To get your hand so far up a woman's hole, you could make her mouth move.
HUNCHIE. A particuarly difficult turd that leaves one contorted like a constipated Labrador in the park.
COUNCIL SUITCASE. Binliner.
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I need a copy of the profanisaurus.
By the way, did you know that somebody is selling a used merkin on ebay?
Merkin (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Skin-Jewellery-Butterfly-Merkin-by-J-Maskrey_W0QQitemZ5047586100QQcategoryZ98863QQtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
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I need a copy of the profanisaurus.
By the way, did you know that somebody is selling a used merkin on ebay?
Could have just used an old Brillo pad.
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beetle bonnet n.
Female pubic mound as viewed through tight pants, or when shaven. From the design of the classic VW car. See also camel's toe
carpenter's dream n.
Sexually promiscuous woman. As in: "Flat as a board, and easy to screw".
clam smacker n.
Lesbian; bean flicker.
yabba dabbas n.
The climactic stages of intercourse which immediately precede the dooooooos! The vinegar strokes.
I fear we may have drifted slightly off-topic...
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I fear we may have drifted slightly off-topic...
....which has never happened before.
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I need a copy of the profanisaurus.
an online version is available chris...
http://www.viz.co.uk/profanisaurus/profan_index.php
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Does anyone talk about football on here anymore?
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I fear we may have drifted slightly off-topic...
....which has never happened before.
Would someone care to check back and see how many times the subject has been changed? Bags not.
I would hazard a guess at 30...
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Lost amongst our many changes, I'm afraid. We could always ask the perpetrator to re-record it.
We could have a tribute thread?
This is not the greatest thread in the world.
No, no. This is just a tribute.
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this thread really is going downhill now.
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this thread really is going downhill now.
Yes, but we're in the 80's, just a few good boundaries from a memorable century.
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this thread really is going downhill now.
It's become too self conscious, it's turning into a thread about a thread.
Would you say the thread was inconsistent?
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this thread really is going downhill now.
So you're saying we're past it at 81?
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this thread really is going downhill now.
It's become too self conscious, it's turning into a thread about a thread.
Would you say the thread was inconsistent?
No, it's just not as good as it should be.
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Perhaps to bring it back on-topic we could all say whether, in one word (or less), we're worried about Villa's future?
Personally, no.
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Would you say the thread was inconsistent?
Yes, consistently.
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this thread really is going downhill now.
So you're saying we're past it at 81?
This thread has as much get up and go in it as it had 30 pages ago. In fact it's still covering all possible areas of interest, and refuses to let other threads have any new topics, preferring to keep all possible topics under it's direct influence.
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It seems to me that one or two troublemakers and egotists are looking to set up a pressure group to get this thread to close.
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that would be a travesty, look at what this thread has done for YOU!
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I wonder how many man-hours have been lost to British industry by this thread?
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Not enough, there is plenty of life in this thread yet. I would think this will be quoted alongside official govt figures at the end of the year.
Alcohol caused 3.6 million lost working days in the last year, smoking was even worse (although that bloody ban certainly reduced it) and that in turn was second only to that thread on H+V which caused an awful lot more!
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It seems to me that one or two troublemakers and egotists are looking to set up a pressure group to get this thread to close.
Like the Windmill, it will never close.
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As this thread falls from the top of the charts it seems to me that some posters have been using it on a purely speculative basis, in order to get a short term 'return' on their post count. Perhaps the high points of yesterday and earlier today were not indicative of its real value?
If nothing else, this thread has convinced me that it's a sound investment for my post count in the short, medium and long term.
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If nothing else, this thread has convinced me that it's a sound investment for my post count in the short, medium and long term.
So as a fan of this thread you have no worries about its future. Is that just a personal view or do you speak on behalf of all supporters of the thread?
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I speak on behalf of me.
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I wonder how many man-hours have been lost to British industry by this thread?
Amongst the tea breaks, fag breaks, extended lunch breaks and water cooler breaks, I don't think management will be sweating too much.
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If nothing else, this thread has convinced me that it's a sound investment for my post count in the short, medium and long term.
So as a fan of this thread you have no worries about its future. Is that just a personal view or do you speak on behalf of all supporters of the thread?
I have no worries about this thread. Sure, its had a bad afternoon, it's not been well, everyone knows that, but I'm just so delighted to see it so smiley wiley now. You can see how happy it is now that the post count has resumed its former glorious level. This post is for the thread, which has been honest with me from day one, and has never lied about what subjects I'd have to comment on.
This gesture is just my way of paying tribute to that. If that gets me in trouble with the authorities then I'll appeal.
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Perhaps to bring it back on-topic we could all say whether, in one word (or less), we're worried about Villa's future?
possibly
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I think this thread has done as well as could be expected. Obviously it hasn't had the benefit of being backed as much as some other threads, and we haven't been able to bring in the sort of posters we'd like, but what we've had has been an honest bunch of posts.
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I also wish people wouldn't keep harping on about the success of this thread 20 pages ago, those posters have long since gone and it's up to us to revive it and put it back amongs the elite European posts.
We cannot keep living off the glory of past posts.
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Due to the lack of ambition seen recently on this thread, I'm going to set up a protest group; it will be called VFC - Villa Forums Chastised.
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I think this thread is looking a bit peaky, it needs a bypass.
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I warren aspinall would like to apologise to all said thread posters for only contributing meekly to this thread,I hereby promise to contribute fairly so that said thread receives a telegram from the queen on the occasion of it's hundredth page.
yours sincerely
Warren
P.S.I will not use it just to get my post count up :-
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It will fade and die in the 90's.
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I speak on behalf of me.
What does me have to say about that? Did me get a say in in your self opinionated, self appointed role as official spokesperson for me or did you see me as a vehicle for your own ends?
If you ask me I think its a bit rich.
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It will fade and die in the 90's.
As if our Islamabad correspondent will let that happen.
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I speak on behalf of me.
What does me have to say about that? Did me get a say in in your self opinionated, self appointed role as official spokesperson for me or did you see me as a vehicle for your own ends?
If you ask me I think its a bit rich.
I hope you agree with me. If you don't, you're probably right!!
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It will fade and die in the 90's.
The politics thread is on off topic Legion. Oh, hang on. You are talking about Conservatism aren't you?
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Just a little post to see if the thread is alive & well
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I much prefer Surrealism:
Ah! how the play of light upon your shoulders does bring one to reminisce of fallen lighthorsemen and gaseous trenches.
http://www.madsci.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/~lynn/jardin/SCG/
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I much prefer Surrealism:
How many surrealists does it take to change a lightbulb?
Fish
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Would I be correct in the assumption that the fans are no longer worried about villa's future & are now putting all there efforts in towards reviving this thread.
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This thread is essential to the survival of AVFC.
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This thread is essential to the survival of AVFC.
Just as well you didn't miss out the last 'A'
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This thread is essential to the survival of AVFC.
Just as well you didn't miss out the last 'A'
if he missed out the last 'A' would he have sent out a press release blaming ellis for missing out said letter 'A'.
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The V would have walked out in protest.
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So VFC is Naz and Fear? Hey, great weather.
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Don't you think that the name FEAR invokes negativity just by saying it,maybe he should change his name to John Tear,so that we all would then feel sorry for him.
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There's a bloke called The Tear that runs VFT - Villa Fans Together
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I feel a need to contribute to the life of this thread :-
The future's the only thing we can worry about, we can't worry about the past ](*,)
Which brings to mind the most vomit inducing e-mail signature I've ever seen:
Yesterday is history
Tomorrow is a mystery
Today is a gift, that's why we call it the present ](*,)
Wonder how difficult it is to get a job at Hallmark #-o
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How about John Beer? Someone who everyone can have a laugh and a good time with? Would be great for morale.
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VFC/VFT this is reminding me of that scene in monty python's-life of brian,where they are arguing with brian over whether they are the judian people's front or the people's front of judia.
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That connotation has been used countless times. Still funny (in it's original context), though!!
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I think it was even touched on in Risso's 'Site Rules' somewhere around Page 66.
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Some people are posting on this thread for no reason whatsoever.
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Not long to go now!
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Just thought I would let you know it's Friday.
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Disco Oscar would be well advised to ease up on the lampooning of Looney "Lizards" O'Mooney.
I have it on good authority that his erstwhile stalker, Poison Ivy aka "Bimbo". is on the warpath.
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I just read through about 15 pages of this thread and Laughing Gravity hadn't posted once. Why is this?
Has he been kidnapped by the Fairies at the bottom of his garden again? O:)
There are important questions that need answering.
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I just read through about 15 pages of this thread and Laughing Gravity hadn't posted once. Why is this?
Has he been kidnapped by the Fairies at the bottom of his garden again? O:)
There are important questions that need answering.
I've sent some space aliens to abduct him while he sleeps. They'll perform some sick, depraved and downright pervy experiments on him, all in the name of human being research. These will leave him trumatised, scared of cows, with strange, unexplainable but temporary imprints on his limbs and a funny walk...
Oh, and pregnant...
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Excellent, but I bet it will be the fault of the Moderators for not banning the Alien probes.
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damn those alien probes.
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Meanwhile, back in Huddersfield (http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=13&t=001641)
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Unbelievable! Was the Dog an Alien with a probe, by any chance?
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Just been ploughing through this thread all very entertaining great for insomniacs like me. Need to keep it going so Peter can get his ton on the early hours of Monday morning. I haven't posted on this so far, well I don't think I have seems so long ago now. So I will just post something random just for the hell of it, from the late, great Bill Hicks:-
The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we kill those people.
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All these pages, and I'm still worried about the future of Villa! Did you know that Doug invented the Bicycle Kick? He's a mean tennis player as well :smt002
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All i did was post a comment by VFC #-o
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So it's YOUR fault!!
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Seen on BBC Ceefax’s 338 rumours page:
Aston Villa fans group VFC is on the verge of collapse following an acrimonious internal dispute.
It’s reported a fight nearly broke out at the group’s last meeting when it became apparent that one leading member had forgotten to tape the previous night’s Emmerdale Farm as promised.
The group is to hold a crisis meeting over the weekend but a source close to VFC said, “It’s not the first time this has happened and I can’t see how we can solve a problem of this magnitude and get on with the job of noting things with interest and issuing pointless press releases at the most inappropriate times”.
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I feel a need to contribute to the life of this thread :-
The future's the only thing we can worry about, we can't worry about the past ](*,)
Which brings to mind the most vomit inducing e-mail signature I've ever seen:
Yesterday is history
Tomorrow is a mystery
Today is a gift, that's why we call it the present ](*,)
Wonder how difficult it is to get a job at Hallmark #-o
Tomorrow's almost over,
Today went by so fast,
Is the only thing to look
forward to - the past?'
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All i did was post a comment by VFC #-o
Well god help us if you ever post a comment by anyone of any importance.
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There's a bloke called The Tear that runs VFT - Villa Fans Together
Is this the fella? (http://villafanstogether.5u.com/vft)
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There's a bloke called The Tear that runs VFT - Villa Fans Together
Is this the fella? (http://villafanstogether.5u.com/vft)
Hmmm, I'm all for a bit of a piss take, but surely the first rule is to make it funny? That's just poor, and isn't fit to lick the boots of some of the comments on this thread.
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Is it 85 and out then?
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The odd half-arsed pisstake is fine. But when you are bothered to start a website, it looks to obsessive.
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still going... slowly though!
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Wait until Monday when Peter Winters returns!
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The odd half-arsed pisstake is fine. But when you are bothered to start a website, it looks to obsessive.
Internet and obsessive behaviour linked. Now there's a shocker.
Not sure if I have to act as a runner for Mr Islamabad while I'm on nights.
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The Comer rumours spread but they didn't tell this thread
Did you honestly think that they would?
Bah. That doesn't work. At all. And only Dave Cooper and Mac will get it. Bah.
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The injured but valiant Peter Winters is currently using a runner, but I am sure he will battle through all the adversity and achieve the ton.
Let's all keep supporting this great effort. Go Peter. O:)
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VFC spokesman John Mooney has revealed that the group is worried about its own future following reports of a proposed takeover of Aston Villa Football Club.
The group’s deputy chairman said, “VFC only has two aims – the removal of Doug Ellis from Villa Park and the return of the late Joe Sugden to Emmerdale Farm.
“It’s clear that with Deadly Doug gone from the Villa the chances of getting the names of VFC spokesmen in the papers will be seriously diminished. It will be a very sad day for VFC and our three supporters.
“In one way it will be good to get rid of Ellis, who has been at Villa for over twenty years, because he has never once publicly denied that the holocaust took place or used his position to condemn the Gay Mafia. Hopefully, the new chairman will be more in tune the views of the seriously deranged.
Mr Mooney would not comment on speculation that the ailing VFC is to merge with the secretive religious group Opus Dei.
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The group’s deputy chairman said, “VFC only a... aims ... the return of Joe Sugden to Emmerdale Farm.
I am now a fully committed supporter of VFC and all of it's pro-Emmerdale objectives. Robert Sugden has recently left the show leaving too few real Sugdens in this flagship drama.
However, a note of caution, This week sees the death and funeral of fans favourite Seth Armstrong and any pro-Sugden protests would, in my opinion, be is poor taste during this emotional period.
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Your note of caution over Seth is noted with interest but as his death has already been hijacked as a shameless opportunity to bring back Kathy after her failed attempt to conquer Hollywood, your post will no doubt be viewed as yet another effort to stifle the VFC community’s right to free speech.
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The Comer rumours spread but they didn't tell this thread
Did you honestly think that they would?
Bah. That doesn't work. At all. And only Dave Cooper and Mac will get it. Bah.
It works fine, and yes I did get it.
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Chris Harte wrote
JD wrote:
I just read through about 15 pages of this thread and Laughing Gravity hadn't posted once. Why is this?
Has he been kidnapped by the Fairies at the bottom of his garden again?
There are important questions that need answering.
I've sent some space aliens to abduct him while he sleeps. They'll perform some sick, depraved and downright pervy experiments on him, all in the name of human being research. These will leave him trumatised, scared of cows, with strange, unexplainable but temporary imprints on his limbs and a funny walk...
Oh, and pregnant...
Oh...so his local Priest popped round then?
Surely that will add a few more pages? :-
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Seth Armstrong did indeed die this evening yet Chris Smith knew about it this morning.
Well, you don’t have to be Quincy or Jonathon Hart to work out that all is not right here.
Clearly, Chris Smith has a few questions to answer.
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Seth Armstrong did indeed die this evening yet Chris Smith knew about it this morning.
Well, you don’t have to Quincy or Jonathon Hart to work out that all is not right here.
Clearly, Chris Smith has a few questions to answer.
He could have been on the same plane.
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Look, I've been after the General for ages. If Armstrong thinks he was just going to walk back in a take what's mine, well I just couldn't let it happen could I? Also Betty is going to need somebody to help her through her grief, if you get my drift. 'appen.
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I've heard that Biff's going to put in an appearance at Seth's funeral. And tomorrow night's the wedding of the year on Corrie..........
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I've heard that Biff's going to put in an appearance at Seth's funeral. And tomorrow night's the wedding of the year on Corrie..........
Good old Biff.
It’s a pity that Archie’s not coming back and what about Amos, Annie and Sam who, unlike Archie, are at least still alive.
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Would any VFC types like to comment on Robobum’s assertion on a lesser thread that this time next week there will be no VFC?
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Can't we just get this one to the magical ton?
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Oscar, what did you say? I couldn't quite hear it... O:)
We at Very Funny Comments will continue to attempt to make you laugh, although we are still taking lessons from the master - Disco Stu. We hope some time in the future to be able to say we are as sharp and witty as he has shown himself to be over the years (If not we will just walk out, halfway through a joke).
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from givemefootball.com
Simon Page is warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless the promised major investment materialises sooner rather than later.
Page is sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday´s annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential speculators will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.
Simon Page spokesman Simon Page said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future.
"I have said on a number of occasions I will spontaneously combust should Doug leave, but the tarmackers promise to keep Doug in situ and turn Aston Villa into a trading arm of their cockney-based plastering outfit should leave me enough room to renege."
In other news, a drunken protestor was seen streaking round the Pheasey on Sunday shouting: "I told you tho, I told you tho."
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In other news, a drunken protestor was seen streaking round the Pheasey on Sunday shouting: "I told you tho, I told you tho."
Chianti all over the keyboard now Page you funny bastard!
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I don't understand it.
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Would any VFC types like to comment on Robobum’s assertion on a lesser thread that this time next week there will be no VFC?
Oscar, can you please make your point without beating about the bush. Thanks.
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And tomorrow night's the wedding of the year on Corrie..........
It will end in tears.
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Villa or Corrie?
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Villa or Corrie?
Corrie
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Villa or Corrie?
Corrie
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This thread is getting as boring as watching Geoffrey Boycott or Chris Tavare. Where is Beefy, Freddie or Peter Winters when you need them? O:)
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87? 80 bloody 7? Well let me tell you for nothing none of you firggers are going to deny me my ton. Obviously its going to be a struggle now that the fielding side are going to pack up and go home like a bunch of girls because there 'It'll never happen, Doug will stay for ever' type rubbish seems to have backfired. Laughing homo, Risso, Pete Bland, John 'the queer dear Fear, Blue Nose, Your bays took a hell of a bleating. I mean beating.
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Oh dear. It looks like Beefy's back on the wacky stuff.
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On saturday night the England team were in the HC bar, I was having a few shandies with friends playing pool. The full time score from the shit flashed up and I can only describe my action as that as a very happy, demented Villa fan. And gave an enthusiastic ' wanker' gesture. To much mirth and merriment. Anyhoo, later in the evening a few girls- my missus being one of them- were asked back to the the nightclub in the hotel where they are staying. So without a second glance back off they went. Shaun Udal was talking to my gal, and she was telling him I was her other half. "Oh him", he said " He upset one of our players because he gave a wanker gesture when Birmingham lost", "and he is a Birmingham fan". Faggot. That made my night. He also said that Ian Bell 9is a Villa fan. So he's worth his place in the England team in my eyes. But whose the nose?
Not Ashley Giles cos he's a QPR fan. Vaughan is an arrogant tosser who now supports Man U. This Sheff Wed story is bollocks. They are who he used to support. Prick.
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When out with the cricket team....my gal also asked Asley Giles if he was Ashley Judd. No, he replied. She's a hollywood actress. I'm Ashley Giles. Women, eh?
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and her friend who was with them told these poser boys that she didn't like cricket, didn't know who any of them were, and said,get this, "Its not like your footballers is it"......how I laughed.
I think that may have brought them down a peg or two.
So, if you see a bunch of demoralised England players playing in Pakistan blame a couple of girls.
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Should see the size of that big Cambridge poof Derek pringle. He's about 9ft 8. Lard arse.
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And this fits in perfectly with the topic. I'm worried about the Villa so much that I'm talking bolloc, I mean cricket.
Do you think the talk of a takeover will upset DOL sufficiently that when we get done tonight he can use that as an excuse? "Moy arnest burnch arv lads, wer so upseh over de chairmun passoblee goin dah dey couldn gerrit togedda. Dair fifd goa wars becus dey air missin Mistur Chairmun olreadee"
Interviewer - But it was 7-0 Mr O'Leary.
Dol - You know sumtimes its nar de resull dat matturs, buh how ye play. An' I ****** ask fuh mure fro de boys.
Interviewer - Do you think you're job is on the line now David?
DOL - As lon as Mistur Ellis iss he oim in a jab
Interviewer - So what about the takeover?
DOL - Moy arnest burnch arv lads........and fade to grey
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Cheeky single to Risso who is off after his VFC teammates. Could become two...
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If I have to do it myself this bastard gets to a hundred.
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I need somebody backing up at t'other end! No other thread is that important surely.
Did I ever tell you that VFC shit on ST? Yeah, come on how many members you lot got? H&V isn't funny anymore. In fact I prefer the pregramme. In fact its become more bland than the programme.
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Jesus H Christ. The fucking Aussies weren't joking when they said that 87 was the friggin devils number.
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Anyone for tennis?
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Everyones banging on about the money but at the moment thats a white elephant. What if we were to get £20 m given to us. By the time we can spend it come Jan, we may be in a right mess in the league. What good the money then? Who will want to join a team in the midst of a relegation battle. A few journeymen maybe, but nobody who we'd expect to see bring the club onto the next so-called level. I am worried. Still. That we shouldn't be worried by talk of a takeover. I honestly Doug should say To the bejaysus brothers, that he will sell up, but the actual date for the transfer of shares will be on the final day of this season. We need a little bit more solidity in and around the club to get us away from this mess. This really isn't the time for boardroom upheaval IMO. Manager unsure of his future, players unsure of theirs, a footbal team that appear directionless. I really do worry about this season. How long has it been since we go into nearly every game worried, or convinced that we'd lose. The Wigan result was an eye opener if ever there needed to be one. Just beat the shit, everyone should've been up. 0-2 at home is relegation standard. We're in serios trouble on the pitch and no amount of takeovers, and Irishman are going to change that this season.
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From Beeb website
Aston Villa have confirmed there has been a "preliminary approach" regarding a takeover of the club.
More to follow it goes on.
Am I the only one nervous about this? Not the more to follow bit, but Irish Property consortia? I don't like it. In fact I'd say I was worried.
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Ellis revealed: "We have had an approach, and it is interesting, there is no doubt about that. But it isn't finalised. We are still working on it. I hope to be able to let people know more within the next month."
Does this mean we have to stick with VFC until everything is signed sealed and delivered? At what point will they say thats us done? What if everyone who Ellis tries to allow to take over the club is found out to be a cad or a scoundrel? Will they say we want Doug to go, but wish to support him find the best buyer for Villa. Or will they say , you should have sold to Ray, Now with the Irish make our day, unless Doug can't keep the Russians at bay, we'd even take Peter Kaye, chonge our badge from a lion to a blue jay,but if this doesn't happen by 6pm today, Big Bad Doug will pay.....hooray.
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Morning, Peter!
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Morning legion.' cept its afternoon here. Am I the only one worried? :-k
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So, if you see a bunch of demoralised England players playing in Pakistan blame a couple of girls.
61-6 at lunch says it's more than a couple, what else did they do them?
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So, if you see a bunch of demoralised England players playing in Pakistan blame a couple of girls.
61-6 at lunch says it's more than a couple, what else did they do them?
Well the missus turned down Shaun Udals offer to take her out to dinner. Despite the fact that he's married with 3 kids! Maybe he's more popular than we'll all imagined, and his rejection, and thus dejection, has affected the team more than we could poosibly of thought. Maybe its also because they've dug up the dead ex Palestinian leader and got him bowling thats thrown them too.
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Ashley Judd seems to have gotten over his humiliation as he strides confidently to 22 not out.
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Don't talk too soon.
Tour Match: Patron's XI v England
31-10-2005 at Rawalpindi
England won the toss and decided to bat
England 1st Innings
100 for 7 (38.0 overs)
England 1st Innings
M E Trescothick not out 40 0
A J Strauss b Najaf Shah 5
M P Vaughan lbw b Najaf Shah 9
K P Pietersen c Asim Kamal b Yasir Ali 2
P D Collingwood b Yasir Arafat 0
I R Bell c Zulqarnain Haider b Yasir Arafat 2
G O Jones b Yasir Arafat 4
A F Giles lbw b Imran Tahir 30
S D Udal not out 0
Extras 6nb 2w 8
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Udal won't last soon. He's still get the rejection to get over.
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Looks like Shaun Udal has been trying to 'bowl a maiden over' and peter w has every right to be slightly upset.
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I'm more upset that my miisus can only pull an ugly frigger like Shaun Udal. What does that say about me? To be fair though, they all look like they fell out of the ugly tree and smashed their faces into every branch on the way down.
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Nothing being sent down from the VFC field, no back up from my team mates. This is going to be a long vigil. But I'll get there. 11 runs to go.
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This post takes me to 1897. Isn't that the season we done the double?
Happy days.
Now that should be 89.
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Woodhall returns to the crease and sneaks a quick single.
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Not nearly quick enough Dave.
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The home wrecker is out. Ha! Maybe i can use this thread another way. Do you think Ian Bell, a Villa fan, is worried about his future after yet another batting failure? Still don't know who the bluenose is, mind.
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Shit Pete either work is slow or someone on this site is paying you a commission. Switch to horse racing, day off tomorrow all of Victoria gets a day off because of a horse race the glorious Melbourne cup, And the Irish are well in this race too. Something to do with the building industry I think the names weld.
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Well I'm off home. Melbourne Cup Shmelbourne Cup Robbo, I'm after. me ton. And if I have to do it meyself. It'll get done. All hands to the tiller...
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:-s
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Looks like a mis-field from the VFC so pete can take 3 of that delivery.
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Shit Pete either work is slow or someone on this site is paying you a commission.
'Work is slow' it is, then.
Perhaps this thread would be given a bit of a shot in the arm by a few comments as to whether posters are now more or less worried than they were at the time it started.
I can only talk in general terms, my memory isn't that good.
a) Future of Aston Villa : 3 points tonight, no problem.
b) England's tour of Pakistan : What's the big sweat? Erikson always fucks these things up.
c) Peter W's RSI : not a comfortable thought.
d) Corrie : Elsie Tanner was right, Ena is a right ratbag.
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I bet Fear’s worried that he won’t be able to get his name in the papers once this take over business is done and dusted.
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I bet Fear’s worried that he won’t be able to get his name in the papers once this take over business is done and dusted.
I bet you're more worried about that happening than he is.
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Vaughan is an arrogant tosser who now supports Man U. This Sheff Wed story is bollocks.
In the interests of sneaking a quick single, I'll just correct you on the above. He is most definitely a Wednesday fan. One of my best mates grew up next door to Vaughan, knows him very well and he definitely goes to a few games at Hillsbrough with the 'the lads' when he can. His family is Manc, hence the Utd link.
I've also heard some of the stories from Vaughans stag do a couple of years ago... 8-[
you know, that took longer than I thought to type, so I went for the return and got two.
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Will this post push the thread on to 90 pages? #-o
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Will this post push the thread on to 90 pages? #-o
Fielded at mid off. No run.
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Here's a six!
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Mac takes a single to take the thread into the Nervous Nineties.
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Beat you to it with my big 6 straight back over the bowler's head!
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Which Mod is going to bowl the googly or flipper and lock it
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only 10 more pages of worthless banter left to go.
This post is a mere defensive block!
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It’s most odd VFC has declined to comment on suggestions by one of its most ardent supporters that it will be defunct by the end of this week.
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Is it possible to do this
and
make
a
single
post
last
for
10
pages
?
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We could start a drum roll for the 1000th poster (998 now) that should take us to the 100..
drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr (does that sound like a drum?)
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Who is Comer Bros?
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We could start a drum roll for the 1000th poster (998 now) that should take us to the 100..
drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr (does that sound like a drum?)
no it sounds nothing like me at all. And I've only just eaten lunch so less of the rolling please.
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I get the feeling that people are getting bored with VFC.
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Is it possible to do this
and
make
a
single
post
last
for
10
pages
?
I
agree
with
Chris
Smith
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Is it possible to do this
and
make
a
single
post
last
for
10
pages
?
I
agree
with
Chris
Smith
I
don't.
He
killed
Seth
Armstrong.
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Richard, because he's feeling all lovey dovey and smiley wiley as he's going to be a dad again, wants an end to the hatred.
I just think that hate and war are the only things we've got today and if we close our eyes they will not go away, you have to deal with it. It is the currency.
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So says Seth's killer.
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Is it possible to do this
and
make
a
single
post
last
for
10
pages
?
I
agree
with
Chris
Smith
I
don't.
He
killed
Seth
Armstrong.
The
Git
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Is it possible to do this
and
make
a
single
post
last
for
10
pages
?
I
agree
with
Chris
Smith
I
don't.
He
killed
Seth
Armstrong.
The
Git
He
asked
for
it
and
now
Betty
is
begging
for
it
Ha Ha Ha.
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Who is Comer Bros?
mate of Keysor Sose
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Who is Comer Bros?
shall we start guesing it will take up pages, my guess is LG
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Who is Comer Bros?
It’s a tribute band that mainly works the clubs in Norfolk and Suffolk.
They do mostly Bros songs but encore with ‘Memories Are Made of This’.
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If specially requested they also do numbers such as Football’s Comer Homes and Comer Chameleon.
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If specially requested they also do numbers such as Football’s Comer Homes and Comer Chameleon.
Very poor
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If specially requested they also do numbers such as Football’s Comer Homes and Comer Chameleon.
Very poor
They’re not that bad actually although their Punk Reggae version of ‘When Will I be Famous?’ is a little hard to stomach.
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Seth Armstrong's dead?
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Yes, he sadly passed away on the plane back from Australia.
Chris Smith has so far been unable to provide a satisfactory alibi (in fact, I think you’ll find he’s actually confessed to murdering poor old Seth).
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I see Malandra Burrows hasn't spent her time away from Emmerdale indulging in acting lessons. Her lack of acting prowess was forgivable when she was the show's token crumpet, but now the ravages of time have caught up with her, why on EARTH have they brought her back?
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Anyone seen the new giveway sign.
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and on the subject of Emmerdale, I know it's Halloween, but the sight of Steph without her makeup on the other day should surely have been broadcast after the watershed, not when I was eating my tea at 7pm.
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Mac, will this be locked when it gets to 100?
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This isn’t Villatalk.
Mac doesn’t lock around the clock.
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This isn’t Villatalk.
Mac doesn’t lock around the clock.
Just wondered was going to post a couple of hundred posts to get it over with.
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Nearly page 92 anyway.
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Well, how about that.
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Going dark early these days.
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:-s
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Who you :-s in at
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Who you :-s in at
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seriously speaking,did anyone see the item on sky sports news about the takeover? who is the villa fan commenting on behalf of us fans :-k oh dear it's someone from the vfc.... 8-[ 8-[ there goes at least another 15 pages ](*,) :-#
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Who was it?
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and what were they noting with interest?
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Was it John Mooney?
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Who was it?
It was Naz, and try as I might I couldn't find anything wrong with what he said.
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get this....... it was a ' somebody' nazir....and he was from 'villa combined fans' ....hmmmm ,a misprint ?...or a reaction to mass 92 page topic discussion! \:D/ :-k :-k :-k
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Who was it?
It was Naz, and try as I might I couldn't find anything wrong with what he said.
Which was??
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wow. is that a bit of relevance on this thread?
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It was Naz, and try as I might I couldn't find anything wrong with what he said.
It's difficult to say anything wrong about such a tempting-looking deal.
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Who was it?
It was Naz, and try as I might I couldn't find anything wrong with what he said.
Which was??
"Sounds OK, good price, would like to know a bit more before committing, I am not so worried about the future as I was a couple of weeks ago"
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"Sounds OK, good price, would like to know a bit more before committing, I am not so worried about the future as I was a couple of weeks ago"
Fair comment.
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I see your now being quoted on sportinglife Dave.
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Anyone notice how we've had considerably more news coverage over this than the Ranson episode, yet it appears from all reports that the process is at exactly the same stage as Ransons bid before it was rejected?
Also, I've had a few emails from mates who support other teams saying we're jammy gits for getting the "Irish Abramovich's" to buy us.... it appears that popular opinion is that we're getting a couple of rich sugar daddies...
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I see your now being quoted on sportinglife Dave.
Who is he speaking on behalf of? ;-)
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www.sportinglife.com
Dave Woodhall, editor of the Heroes and Villans fanzine and speaking entirely on his own behalf, welcomed the board's careful stance.
"It is important we don't just assume anything is better than Doug Ellis," he said.
"A takeover of the club is only good for Villa if it takes the club forward. Sometimes you have got to be careful what you wish for.
"It could be the best thing for Villa since Ron Saunders came as manager. It could see us take the same road as Chelsea are on now. At the same time, it could see us take the same road as Chelsea pre-Roman Abramovich."
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I see your now being quoted on sportinglife Dave.
Who is he speaking on behalf of? ;-)
Everyone in my house who supports the Villa (MHFC).
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I note with interest that VFC are as eloquent in speech as they are in text. Nice.
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I see your now being quoted on sportinglife Dave.
Who is he speaking on behalf of? ;-)
Everyone in my house who supports the Villa (MHFC).
Excuse my ignorance but MHFC?
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Excuse my ignorance but MHFC?
My House Fans Consortium.
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It could see us take the same road as Chelsea are on now. At the same time, it could see us take the same road as Chelsea pre-Roman Abramovich.
That's right don't sit sit on the fence. :-D
Assuming Villa take the former route, paying their way to glory, do you really think that the Comers have anywhere near the financial clout of Abramovich?
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Just who is this Dave Woodhall fellow- voice of the people, stiff upper lip and all that? :-
Does he speak for all Villa fans, those that read fanzines, or for Prince Will only? These questions need answering you know. O:)
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It could see us take the same road as Chelsea are on now. At the same time, it could see us take the same road as Chelsea pre-Roman Abramovich.
That's right don't sit sit on the fence. :-D
Assuming Villa take the former route, paying their way to glory, do you really think that the Comers have anywhere near the financial clout of Abramovich?
Of course not, although it's not just the money we need, remember the likes of Wolves, Boro, Newcastle, Blackburn, Fulham and further a field, Real Madrid and Dinimo Moscow have all wealthy owners that have invested heavily and achieved very little or nothing in return.
Any fool can spend money but very few can spend it wisely.
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Anyone with money can build a better club. It takes a good manager to build a better team.
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Yes, I know that but my point is why compare the "Comers Villa" to Ambramovich's Chelsea, we'll never be on that road.
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Yes, I know that but my point is why compare the "Comers Villa" to Ambramovich's Chelsea, we'll never be on that road.
You never know. With a bit of money and an inspirational choice of manager, you never know.
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Well I'm definitely worried about the future of the club vis-a-vis the division we'll be playing in. That was crap last night. Oh, and I've decided to post every reply I'm making on this thread. The fans are starting to leave the ground and I'm 95 not out.
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Good luck Peter, let's hope you reach your ton before I log in again tomorrow morning. Work is finished and I'm off home, via the Physio (maybe he can get a job at Villa, he would have enough work to do). :smt002
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Shit, the umpire called one run short! Never. Now, I'm back to 94.
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Not sure when it is that we play Doncaster, but is anyone at all confident that we'll get a result there? They beat man City at home so they'll be up for this one. More doom and gloom. I'm worried. About our future in the League Cup.
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I'm worried to Peter you just know those buggers from Sky will put it on live and that will be us cursed. Not far off the ton now Pete.
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I even had to get up at 1 this morning to watch that shite. Really was painful. Wish Sky would leave us alone. The problem being worse here because we get more live games, I can't avoid seeing us most of the time. Itys like being forced to have a season ticket.
Yeah, I'm content to do the Boycott strategy of just taking my time here. Don't want tp play any expansive shots and let it slip before the ton. Step by step.
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Bearing in mind what started this thread, if Doug sells AND we go down, would fans have been right to worry about relegation, but wrong to worry about Doug staying on? Or would it still be Doug's fault for being on the board of Blues and not having a sell on clause in the Crouch sale?
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In all seriousness, I tried to raise this point, I think on page 71, that why are we worried about a take over when this team may be in the division below? If their is to be a takeover it will be some months down the line. Players will be unsettled. Or should that be playing crap and unsettled, the manager will be unsettled, not fired. So we may have money. Whoopy fucking do when we're in the Championship. We need to sort out the playing side first and worry about Douglarse second. So VFC will disband, go home happy when in April/May the takeovers finally announced? Will we have 'This is a great day for the future of Aston Villa football club'? as we head down. Of course not, so why the frig are they, we giving more than a passing nod to takovers. I really am worried. That this shower of shit will not be in the Prem next season. Irishmen or Doug at the helm.
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Ah but a takeover gives us a sense of the unknown and room for both hope and fear. Football is predictable.
I can't remember the last time I was worried about relegation. I think it might have been under Venglos or possibly 88/9. Of course it could happen, I just don't think it will. Not that we're too good to go down, just not bad enough. In fact, we're not anything enough to do anything.
On the bright side though, we haven't got bird flu yet. \:D/
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Yeah, but I'm worried about that too.
The last time I thought we were going down was under GT. As I remember West Ham were winning and we were drawing 0-0 with already down Sunderland with 10 minutes to go. If it'd have stayed like that then we would have had to go to Leeds on the last day to win to stay up. We were 10 mins from relegation.
The takeover gives me the hope that VFC will disappear, but come back under a new guise...
You know,
" It's noted with interest, that under our new Irish Overlords that they have taken Villa down into the Championship instead of the Champions League where we belong. They have been here for one week and already destroyed this football club. How can they be expected to make credible decisions with a combined age of 92? What happens if they both die? They had serious suggary tea this morning, and we are only thinking about them. Our spokeman Don Gere-Corleone speaks for all Villa fans and these people will sleep with the fishes unless they do the right thing and sell the club".
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Maybe we should start a sweep on how long it is before the first Comer Out rumblings. I reckon towards the end of the third season, so I'll take 951 days after the first game with them in charge.
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Well if Jon Fear et al are egoists, then surely it won't take that long. I'll wager that which ever one of the VFC lot are an only child, they'll be the one to break first. So, I'll give it 27 days.
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If "rumblings" actually means "press release", you've won the money. The thing is, I've never known a popular Villa chairman. Come to think of it, I've only known of two popular Villa board members. In fact, that's pushing it as one was kind of ignored and the other split opinion. I think I'll have another pound on 12 minutes.
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I really am awaiting their glee at the takeover when we're looking doomed to relegation. A masochistic kind of irony.
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Nah. I give you my guarantee that we won't go down. Admitedly my guarantees are as dodgy as those given by builders who offer to do your driveway, but I give it anyway. That's yours to keep. Gratis.
I am thinking of investing in incontinence pants for when any takeover actually happens. I reckon within a couple of hours I could retire on the proceeds.
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And whaddaya know, I'm off the mark.
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You're not one of these cowboys who will piss off after all these assurances, guarantees, etc and then never respond when it all goes pear shaped and I can get in touch with you. Are you?
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I might be accused of being unduly pessimistic (Villa fan?, never!)
But aren't we at the same stage as the previous failed Ranson bids so far, ie a 'preliminary enquiry' has been made.
Lets make sure Mr Aston Villa has well and truly left the building before either (a) predicting when the new mob will hit choppy waters;
Or (b) donning party hats and cracking out the champaigne, which is exactly what I''ll be doing when his Rolls leaves the carpark for the last time.
As an aside, would it be enough if he was no longer officially in charge but still associated with the club in some capacity? Or is it only enough if HDE is completely out of the picture?
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Well I'm starting an 'Ellis Must Stay Until Villa Are Safe From Any Chance Of Relegation' Pressure Groups. For ease, as that's an obvious mouthful, we'll be called EMSUVASFACOR. I'll release my first press release soon. Something along the lines of
EMSUVASFACOR note with disinterest the news that Hearts are losing everyone in their management section. However, we're different. As the spokesman for this united band of brothers that is EMSUVASFACOR I strongly urge that Ellis must stay until Villa are safe from any chance of relegation. We have many tactics in order to help us achieve this aim. At AGM's we're going to flounce in 10 minutes before the end and complain that are questions to Mr Ellis have been answered satisfactorily. I wish it to be known that I do believe I speak on the fans behalf, and yes my love of the club does come first. I'm sorry but this is definitely not a democratic group as its my baby. EMSUVASFACOR are here to stay and to hound you to stay in office Ellis, you chairman for a bit longer yet,you.
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Bit like Nick Leeson and Berrings Bank, I'm just propping this thing up a little bit more. Can't allow it to drop too much.
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I note with not a little interest that the VFC have not commented on team affairs, surely they want to tell the world how shit they think we are too?
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Bloody well hurry up and get to a hundred [-o<
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Just a little something to help you on your way.
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Just a little something to help you on your way.
I've heard much dodgier people than you use lines like that before.
Remember kids, Just Say No.
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Bloody well hurry up and get to a hundred [-o<
Whos whoa whoa there! I could quite easily dance down the track looking for the attractive way to get to my ton a la Freddie Flintoff, but if I were to swing and miss, and maybe get myself out then what?
The scorn that I would have to endure would be too much. I've been obdurate during the nervous 90's and see no reason to change ploy.....
Hold on, is that you LG???? Have you come back to bowl me a googly...
See nearly went down the track there but thats it .Time for a few more defensive blocks. Just a 4 away now...
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pushed down the leg side for a quick single.
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Back in the-ahem- real world...
I see Ashley Judd is the first of the cricket lot to go down with the shits....never mind son, happens to us all.
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Bollocks...what a load of bollocks...
Oh, sorry, is this not last nights match thread...
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Bollocks...what a load of bollocks...
Oh, sorry, is this not last nights match thread...
where you going? Spider we got another one in the web.... bring out the gimp....
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I might be accused of being unduly pessimistic (Villa fan?, never!)
But aren't we at the same stage as the previous failed Ranson bids so far, ie a 'preliminary enquiry' has been made.
Lets make sure Mr Aston Villa has well and truly left the building before either (a) predicting when the new mob will hit choppy waters;
Or (b) donning party hats and cracking out the champaigne, which is exactly what I''ll be doing when his Rolls leaves the carpark for the last time.
As an aside, would it be enough if he was no longer officially in charge but still associated with the club in some capacity? Or is it only enough if HDE is completely out of the picture?
Is this another Disco pseudonym?
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Yes, Lee. It must be.
After all, the two writing styles are indistinguishable.
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Now, back in the real world.
Yesterday’s Sun carried this quote from somebody called Jonathan Fear, who’s apparently chairman of the supporters group Villa Fans Combined, “Contrary to popular opinion, no one hates Doug Ellis”.
Bloody Ellis apologists!
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Come on we can sneak a quick one there...
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NO!
Get Back.
Sorry.
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Now, back in the real world.
Yesterday’s Sun carried this quote from somebody called Jonathan Fear, who’s apparently chairman of the supporters group Villa Fans Combined, “Contrary to popular opinion, no one hates Doug Ellis”.
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Apart from the extremists, one I believe actually backed said Chairman and his sacking of BFR apparently
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its back
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Get back to where you once belonged !!
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why is this thread up to 96 pages? Surely with all the takeover talk people have more interesting things to discuss than the fate of the much-maligned VFC. Something like Aston Villa FC comes to mind.
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why is this thread up to 96 pages? Surely with all the takeover talk people have more interesting things to discuss than the fate of the much-maligned VFC. Something like Aston Villa FC comes to mind.
Madness, VFC is far more important. or is it VCF.
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why is this thread up to 96 pages? Surely with all the takeover talk people have more interesting things to discuss than the fate of the much-maligned VFC. Something like Aston Villa FC comes to mind.
Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC - it's all bollocks
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why is this thread up to 96 pages? Surely with all the takeover talk people have more interesting things to discuss than the fate of the much-maligned VFC. Something like Aston Villa FC comes to mind.
Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC - it's all bollocks
Liar
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why is this thread up to 96 pages? Surely with all the takeover talk people have more interesting things to discuss than the fate of the much-maligned VFC. Something like Aston Villa FC comes to mind.
Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC - it's all bollocks
Liar
Splitter
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Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC - it's all bollocks
I'd hardly call the tragic death of Seth Armstrong, the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle and the pulling power of Shaun Udal bollocks.
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Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC - it's all bollocks
I'd hardly call the tragic death of Seth Armstrong, the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle and the pulling power of Shaun Udal bollocks.
Who killed Seth?
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Page 97, this page is fascist free for now.
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Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC - it's all bollocks
I'd hardly call the tragic death of Seth Armstrong, the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle and the pulling power of Shaun Udal bollocks.
Who killed Seth?
Not sure but Chris Smith is certainly in the frame.
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Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC - it's all bollocks
I'd hardly call the tragic death of Seth Armstrong, the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle and the pulling power of Shaun Udal bollocks.
.. and the political leanings of Senor Mooney - yeh that's bollox
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Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC - it's all bollocks
I'd hardly call the tragic death of Seth Armstrong, the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle and the pulling power of Shaun Udal bollocks.
Who killed Seth?
Not sure but Chris Smith is certainly in the frame.
The fascist.
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One thing I've often wondered. Why do Nazis deny the Holocaust? Surely they should be boasting about it.
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Who Mooney or Mr Smith?
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Another thing that puzzles me is why the likes of Harold Shipman etc are described as whichever country's worst serial killers when surely they are very good at serial killing.
I'd go so far as to say that i am a worse serial killer than Shipman.
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Another thing that puzzles me is why the likes of Harold Shipman etc are described as whichever country's worst serial killers when surely they are very good at serial killing.
I'd go so far as to say that i am a worse serial killer than Shipman.
And a worse Rapist than the Yorkshire Ripper
I'll get me coat
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VCF
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97 and not out.
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Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC - it's all bollocks
I'd hardly call the tragic death of Seth Armstrong, the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle and the pulling power of Shaun Udal bollocks.
Who killed Seth?
Not sure but Chris Smith is certainly in the frame.
You'll never take me alive copper, I've got a box of Asda eggs and I aint afraid to use 'em.
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Another thing that puzzles me is why the likes of Harold Shipman etc are described as whichever country's worst serial killers when surely they are very good at serial killing.
I'd go so far as to say that i am a worse serial killer than Shipman.
And a worse Rapist than the Yorkshire Ripper
I'll get me coat
Was Peter Sutcliffe ever a rapist??
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We've gone from racist to rapist fairly seamlessly there.
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It’s just been on the news that both Chris Smith and David O’Leary have been arrested by police investigating the suspicious death of former Home Farm gamekeeper Seth Armstrong.
It seems that Smithy and O’Leary were in on it together all along and probably would have got away with it if wasn’t for us meddling H&V kids.
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It seems that Smithy and O’Leary were in on it together
They're in it together alright.
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Ohhh! 98!
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There's a job as a script editor on Emmerdale being advertised in the Guardian.
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1998, a marvellous year for the French and lickle Owen but not for Beckham. It was equally disappointing for Jack Lord, who died and Geri Halliwell left the Spice Girls.
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98. Only a page and half to go now!
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There's a job as a script editor on Emmerdale being advertised in the Guardian.
Must be fluent in Cockney.
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There’s a guy that works down our chip shop who swears he’s Jack Sugden.
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98. Only a page and half to go now!
Let's see if we can bring the 100 up whilst Peter is out abusing Shaun Udal.
Errr verbally that is.
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There’s a guy that works down our chip shop who swears he’s Jack Sugden.
Yeah well he's a liar and i'm not sure about you.
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Anybody see the Quo on Corrie last night? Les slinging his own wedding presents out of the window, comedy gold.
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I sometimes think that some of you aren't real fans, and would rather spend your time taking the piss than discussing the real issues facing us right now.
Such as, has Sam's bird still got cancer and is she just trying to spare him thje grief and how will Pollard get out of paying for the Scotch at Seth's funeral?
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Anybody see the Quo on Corrie last night? Les slinging his own wedding presents out of the window, comedy gold.
I was watching a horror show at the time with elements of comedy thrown in courtesy of Mr Samuel.
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I sometimes think that some of you aren't real fans, and would rather spend your time taking the piss than discussing the real issues facing us right now.
Such as, has Sam's bird still got cancer and is she just trying to spare him thje grief and how will Pollard get out of paying for the Scotch at Seth's funeral?
And why is such a small North Yorkshire village being overrun by Cockernees?
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Chris Smith must have a good lawyer. The coppers said they had him banged to rights (whatever that means).
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Tension mounts as a historic third figure hoves into sight.
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Anybody see the Quo on Corrie last night? Les slinging his own wedding presents out of the window, comedy gold.
I was watching a horror show at the time with elements of comedy thrown in courtesy of Mr Samuel.
Me too, the wonders of Sky+ though!
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99 Red Balloons.
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It’s possible that we’ll have a bit of silliness now as people attempt to get this thread to 100 pages.
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It’s possible that we’ll have a bit of silliness now as people attempt to get this thread to 100 pages.
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It’s possible that we’ll have a bit of silliness now as people attempt to get this thread to 100 pages.
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It’s possible that we’ll have a bit of silliness now as people attempt to get this thread to 100 pages.
I hope so
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Anyone like Coldplay?
(Seemed to remember that did the trick on the old manila site)
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=P~
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Sorry triple post
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It could always be locked.
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\:D/
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=P~
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Again, it’s possible that we’ll have a bit of silliness now as people attempt to get this thread to 100 pages.
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Sorry triple post
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Well, tonight I'm going to party like this thread is 99 \:D/
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Again, it’s possible that we’ll have a bit of silliness now as people attempt to get this thread to 100 pages.
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\:D/
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The 100 it comes
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I SAID!!!!!!
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Sorry again.
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Again, it’s possible that we’ll have a bit of silliness now as people attempt to get this thread to 100 pages.
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Again, it’s possible that we’ll have a bit of silliness now as people attempt to get this thread to 100 pages.
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Again, it’s possible that we’ll have a bit of silliness now as people attempt to get this thread to 100 pages.
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How does everybody feel about VFC these days and are we still all worried?
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Well done everyone im proud of you all who helped get this thing done.
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Again, it’s possible that we’ll have a bit of silliness now as people attempt to get this thread to 100 pages.
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Okay folks, show's over. Now let's get the thread back on-topic.
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All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
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Bat raised aloft, salutes the crowd, it's been a long innings, full of negative strokes, a true Boycott of an effort
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Okay folks, show's over. Now let's get the thread back on-topic.
What was the topic again?
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Okay folks, show's over. Now let's get the thread back on-topic.
I'd just like to thank Mr Holocaust denier, Duncan Norvelle, Shaun Udal and Seth Armstrong (RIP) for helping me to stop worrying about whatever it was i was worrying about.
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The mistake many make is relaxing once they pass the psychological barrier of 100, we need to get our heads down and push on to 200.
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The mistake many make is relaxing once they pass the psychological barrier of 100, we need to get our heads down and push on to 200.
There are enough work-shy people on here.
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101 Dry foam
Bring your carpet to life with dry fooooammmm.
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We need our nightwatchman in to keep things going, hopefully he'll have left Udal alone by tonight.
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Let's go for 200!!!!!!! :smt079
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Let's go for 200!!!!!!! :smt079
Okay, let's do it.
Can anybody think of any celebrity Villa fans?
Where's Ryu?
French rock band?
Who are the VFC?
Who killed Seth?
It's all them there gays fault.
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Room 101 \:D/
.... and who are the VCF?
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Room 101 \:D/
.... and who are the VCF?
Villa's Comical Forward?
Very Common Fans?
Villa's Crap Fuckingmanager?
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Room 101 \:D/
.... and who are the VCF?
Villa's Comical Forward?
Very Common Fans?
Villa's Crap Fuckingmanager?
This'll hit 200 in no time - unless it gets moderated
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In that case, my work is done!
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This'll hit 200 in no time - unless it gets moderated
Then we will revolt
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We are revolting.
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Where's Jay?
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Where's Jay?
Barbados
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Who would Lee would put in Room 101? :-k
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Who would Lee would put in Room 101? :-k
Westlife - they do my fucking fruit.
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Room 101. I would put horrible yippy little dogs in there. I hate the small dogs. If you're going to have a dog, make sure it's big and can actually bark as opposed to screaming.
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I'd put those people who talk up at the end of their sentences into my Room 101. You know, those type of people who watch too much American TV and actually think they live in Los Angeles and not Selly Oak.
They really get on my tits.
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SH, I am just sooooo like with you on that?
(Please read the green phonological aide to reading my sentence online)
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SH, I am just sooooo like with you on that?
(Please read the green phonological aide to reading my sentence online)
It's sickening isn't it??
A swift slap to the head with a cricket bat should be suffice to remind these sad people that they're English who live in England and should speak with an English accent not a fake whining mid Atlantic drawl.
Sad bastards!
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What would you do to me if I locked this Thread?
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What would you do to me if I locked this Thread?
I'd get that cricket bat out again.
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I'll just wrap some pads around my head.
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I'll just wrap some pads around my head.
You'd best wrap some round yer bollocks as well, this thread will never die!
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Is it possible that Chris Smith is in fact a serial killer?
Albert Tatlock, Percy Sugden, Joe ‘no relation’ Sugden, Alf Roberts, Ethel Skinner, Jackie Merrick, Chris Tate, Stan Ogden, Sarah Sugden, Bobby Ewing, Derek Wilton, Miss Diane from Crossroads and Charlie Cotton have all been in serials and they’ve all died without Chris Smith being able to provide an adequate explanation of his movements at the time of the deaths.
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Ewing was nuffink to do wiv me.
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Ewing was nuffink to do wiv me.
I agree chris......he must have been dreaming.
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from givemefootball.com
Aston Villa fans´ groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later.
Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday´s annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential investors will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.
VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
That's what started it !! \:D/
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Oh christ i'm really worried about Villa's future again.
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if we've been worried for villa's future for over 100 pages,then i guess a thread titled 'fans not worried about villa's future' would be very short indeed.
by the way congrats all on your contribution to the 1st 100 pages of this thread.....it included 12 x 4's,4 x 6's & a few beautiful cover drives that were stopped just short of the boundary.
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Right , head down, play with a straight bat. Show the bowler the makers name. Smack the bad post for 6 pages and a double century is there for the taking.
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the most impressive thing for me was the way we dealt with the nervy nineties.
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Great to see the century completed. Congrats all round onwards to the double century.
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You bastards
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You bunch of wanking bastards [-(
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Are you going for the double century now Pete or Lara's record?
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Right wseeing as you've stolen my century. MY century, I'm not playing any more. And I'n NOT contributing to this thread anymore, either.
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wseeing is an Urdu word. Meaning if Shaun Udal tries to hit on to my misses again, I'm going to at least make sure I get tickets to a game, or something.
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I was expecting to be here this morning to watch history made. Its like having tickets to the last day of a cricket match only to see the game finish on day four.
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I would put VFC into Room 101.
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And we need to get to 111 so that Woodhall can do the nelson hopping on one foot!
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is that his promise?
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Ahem. Share price is down again.
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Mobile phone giant O2 is down by nearly 6% and its board has agreed to a take-over. What can it all mean?
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I've never been called a wanking bastard before, I kinda like it!
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I've never been called a wanking bastard before, I kinda like it!
Oi Dave, you Wanking Bastard.
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What would you do to me if I locked this Thread?
I know where you live :smt002
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Shouldn't this drivel be in Timewasters now?
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Shouldn't this drivel be in Timewasters now?
I'm not sure Fear would like to hear you comment about his organisation like that.
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page 104,page 104,oh when 104 goes marchin in,I wanna be in that number,when 104 goes marchin in.
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What would you do to me if I locked this Thread?
I know where you live :smt002
Awwww....SH*T! Where's that For Sale board?
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Awwww....SH*T! Where's that For Sale board?
"Club for sale - time for a change"
Catchphrase of a famous fans group, can you guess which one?
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Mobile phone giant O2 is down by nearly 6% and its board has agreed to a take-over. What can it all mean?
Because, the market actually expected somebody else to offer more money and start a bidding war. Since this hasn't happened the share price has fallen back.
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I watched The Incredibles last week with my daughter and it was bugging me who the villain reminded me of. It's just come to me, it's that annoying wanker from the Karzy (see what i did there?) Chiefs.
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Chris Jameson wrote
I watched The Incredibles last week with my daughter and it was bugging me who the villain reminded me of. It's just come to me, it's that annoying wanker from the Karzy (see what i did there?) Chiefs.
I predict a riot.
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Shouldn't this thread now go home to it's wife and family-it's been out far too long. 8-[
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I agree. Locking time?
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I think it's inapropriate to lock at this stage. We are all far more worried now than when the thread was started. We really do need this outlet at least until the club is finally sold.
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Set ths up as Fans Worried Over Villa Future.com
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I would much prefer a lock-in than a lock-out please Legion!
Anyway, peter w will be here soon to get to Nelson!
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ooh look what I did, page 105!
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Swinging back to the subject in hand, Ranson withdrew his bid because he reckoned Doug wouldn't sell at any price. Now it seems as though Doug WILL sell, there's nothing to stop Ranson from re-entering the bidding. If he was serious in the first place.
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Swinging back to the subject in hand, Ranson withdrew his bid because he reckoned Doug wouldn't sell at any price. Now it seems as though Doug WILL sell, there's nothing to stop Ranson from re-entering the bidding. If he was serious in the first place.
Yeah, like that will happen, Ranson was a chancer who ran away as soon as he realised he wasn't getting Villa on the cheap, didn't stop VFC putting out a PR though (pointless jibe to try to secure a boundary).
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On wonders how long it will take VFC to put out another press release when it appears nothing is happening with the latest 'offer.'
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My god, nothing posted since me almost 12 hours ago? Is this thread finally dying?
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Mobile phone giant O2 is down by nearly 6% and its board has agreed to a take-over. What can it all mean?
Because, the market actually expected somebody else to offer more money and start a bidding war. Since this hasn't happened the share price has fallen back.
No shit!
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Now it seems as though Doug WILL sell, there's nothing to stop Ranson from re-entering the bidding.
Yeah there is, stock market rules. He has to wait so many months before approaching again. Not sure if it's 6 months or a year. Maybe 9, but whatever, he couldn't do it again at this moment.
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Can I just say that this is my first posting on this thread?
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Can I just say that this is my first posting on this thread?
No you can not. It's not allowed! :smt002
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Who can summerize the previous 105 pages in the least amount of relevent words
They Must Summerize content.
p.s. Long on its own is banned !!!!
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Heaven
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nit pickers of the world unite :smt009
Look guys Ellis is going to go, thus the need for any protest goes and if someone takes us private ala Glazier then you can forget about any kind of groups.
The future is bright.
Thought I'd randomly quote something from early doors. Top of page three this one. I sincerely hope no one is going to make any smutty page three jokes.
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Has anybody seen Ian since his excitement of Sunday last week?
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He lost so much of his juices he's having to be rehydrated.
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Who can summerize the previous 105 pages in the least amount of relevent words
They Must Summerize content.
p.s. Long on its own is banned !!!!
Constructive -> hilarious -> bizarre -> never-ending.
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Has anybody seen Ian since his excitement of Sunday last week?
He’s spending all his time putting this consortium together.
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don't worry still here ....
Seems some are happy that Ellis is in still in charge eh ?
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don't worry still here ....
Seems some are happy that Ellis is in still in charge eh ?
Very.
Do you think you might have made just a slight tit of yourself on Sunday night?
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not as much as others do every day on this site and others.
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Can I just check what time this week's "Woopee Doug's Still Here" Party is. And is tonight's theme Prudence?
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Remind me again what Monday's momentous announcement was.
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don't worry still here ....
Seems some are happy that Ellis is in still in charge eh ?
Ian
Given your above statement can you answer this multiple choice question:
What EXACTLY do you mean by it
a) You're embarressed by your postings on Sunday and are trying to deflect criticism
b) You still haven't got a clue.
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In fairness, it's not just Ian who has that attitude. The usual suspects still can't be shaken from their idea that if you aren't full of bitterness and hatred towards him, you must be an 'Ellis lover.'
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We all got a little exited, if he jumped the gun a little so what, he wants the same outcome as we all do a successful Villa side. It amazes me how canibalistic some of us are to our own.
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It amazes me how canibalistic some of us are to our own.
This internet mullarky is about survival of the fittest. You feast on the nearest available carcuss and make sure you don't become one yourself. I've never come on here to make friends and I've been extremely successful thus far.
In all seriousness though, Ian did come on here berating some unnamed group of people who supposedly doubted the sale would happen while at the same time gloating over his own prescience. When coupled with his certainty over Monday's announcement, it's hard to say he didn't ask for it just a tad.
I'll never question his persistence though, and long may that be the case.
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We all got a little exited, if he jumped the gun a little so what, he wants the same outcome as we all do a successful Villa side. It amazes me how canibalistic some of us are to our own.
I agree. I was just in the bath reading the latest H&V (is that too much detail?). Anyway, something in there about the prices at the Sty was very well put. It said something along the lines of the sooner fans (of different teams) realise that they have more in common with each other than with those running the clubs, the better.
The same principle applies to supporters of the same club - whether they desperately want Ellis Out, would quite like him to go, used to want him out, but now aren't so sure, wanted him out - then changed, then changed back again, or think the sun shines out of his (tight as a gnat's) arse.
Reading the H&V, I love the day to day bit at the start - it's so good partly because a few weeks on now from the events described, some of the optimism/pessimism/judgement seems ludicrous (and I probably shared it at the time) and other parts of it seem fantastically astute. (it benefits enormously from not being adjusted just before printing to reflect most recent opinion). Time shows up both good and bad judgement, and anyone who claims to always be right and never wrong is either Herbert or a liar or both.
Anyway. I'll be having another bath, need it or not, in a months time....
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Day-to-day is the best bit for me. Followed closely by the Barry B-Lose saga! The correspondence also makes for good reading.
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We all got a little exited, if he jumped the gun a little so what, he wants the same outcome as we all do a successful Villa side. It amazes me how canibalistic some of us are to our own.
From this exchange I can see how that would appear. However I'd ask you to consider a couple of things.
After making his prediction 10 days ago Ian hasn't shown his face until questioned.
Secondly, sadly this is Ian's modus operandi. He does show his face to gloat (when Villa lose) but can't be seen when Villa win. I know that seems strange to say about a Villa fan, but Ian's posting ratio on H&V is inversley proportional to the success Villa have.
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Which is why he has been on here a lot recently!
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So from that i take it that an absence of five months could mean we are in Europe next year.
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So from that i take it that an absence of five months could mean we are in Europe next year.
[-o<
On both counts
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Fuck me is this still going - how many Nightwatchman did we have?
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Not many last night by the look of things.
Maybe I should start an O'Leary out topic on here, that would get 'em all talking.
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Fuck me is this still going - how many Nightwatchman did we have?
Somebody mentioned Robo - that's always good for a few posts.
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Did you know he quite admires Mark Ansell? Always has apparently.
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Fuck me is this still going - how many Nightwatchman did we have?
Somebody mentioned Robo - that's always good for a few posts.
To be fair to him he coughed up the dough he owed me this morning - he is in my good books.
For now \:D/
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a) You're embarressed by your postings on Sunday and are trying to deflect criticism
b) You still haven't got a clue.
a) no
B) no
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Secondly, sadly this is Ian's modus operandi. He does show his face to gloat (when Villa lose) but can't be seen when Villa win. I know that seems strange to say about a Villa fan, but Ian's posting ratio on H&V is inversley proportional to the success Villa have.
here is a test Mac, show me a post where I have gloated when Villa have lost and I will show you many where peopel use every defeat to knock DOL.
Also this season I would have posted 4 times as much if I had psoted after every defeat.
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The many defeats to the other lot in the city ring any bells?
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oh sorry I thought you meant in the recent posts, never knew you would drag things back from three years ago !!!
shame some can move on others can't !!
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shame some can move on others can't !!
You certainly moved on in your opinions of Mark Ansell.
And thinking about it, aren't you the same Ian Robathan who reckoned that anyone with a different opinion to you had been "bought off with free tickets, prawn sandwiches and corporates"?
Because you're certainly the same Ian Robathan who once got a taxi straight from a match match we'd lost to start posting on here and after another defeat started FIFTEEN different threads.
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well Dave you have certainly changed your tune, you was ok in the PM's you sent and now all this agression over things THREE years ago and after I said I would only talk about the football and the politics of the club which I have done and both on here and VT I have not once had a dig at you, Mac or H&V.
Other people can make their own minds up about this but you couldn't let it lie could you ?
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And furthermore you know something I admit my mistakes, I admit when I was wrong and for a few of those postings I was out of order, I said so on here afterwards,.
I also except I misread people and I should have treated Mark Ansell with more respect, he was not the devil I made him out to be, however I admit these things but you are NEVER wrong are you ?
You are perfect aren't you ?
Typical, I have changed, you and others still haven't, and you know what that is a shame.
On my 300th post please now cancel my account, can't be arsed to deal with people who only live in the past ta.
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Wow ! I thought people came on here for lighthearted banter and to talk about the villa...Sounds like some of you are getting a bit serious.
:-s
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Wow ! I thought people came on here for lighthearted banter and to talk about the villa...Sounds like some of you are getting a bit serious.
:-s
That's the thing about being at the back, you never see everything going on at the front!
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And furthermore you know something I admit my mistakes, I admit when I was wrong and for a few of those postings I was out of order, I said so on here afterwards,.
I also except I misread people and I should have treated Mark Ansell with more respect, he was not the devil I made him out to be, however I admit these things but you are NEVER wrong are you ?
You are perfect aren't you ?
Typical, I have changed, you and others still haven't, and you know what that is a shame.
On my 300th post please now cancel my account, can't be arsed to deal with people who only live in the past ta.
Ian - I still love you - that £10 you gave me this morning brought some rockets for my kids. I have asked them to design you a thank you card.
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can't be arsed to deal with people who only live in the past ta.
Living in pasta, mmmmmmm. =P~
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can't be arsed to deal with people who only live in the past ta.
Living in pasta, mmmmmmm. =P~
Is that where they filmed those spaghetti westerns?
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Typical, I have changed, you and others still haven't, and you know what that is a shame.
When?
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You are perfect aren't you ?
Yes, and it's good of you to realise it.
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Erm, ah. :-k
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ARSEHAIR!
I thought it would be nice to push this old chestnut to the top again.
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Oh and I am worried about our future, very worried indeed.
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I'm more worried about our present.
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I'm not worried about the future, all the teams in the championship are shite! ](*,) :-s
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And furthermore you know something I admit my mistakes, I admit when I was wrong and for a few of those postings I was out of order, I said so on here afterwards,
N O _ _ Y O U _ _ D I D N ' T.
You wouldn't even apologise in private and I had to "get that through my thick skull". Talk about re-writting history. [-X
Actually, on reflection I seem to recall that, of all the people you did call a cnut on 3/3/3, you only apologised for calling Jay Forsyth a cnut. Which remarkably was the only thing you'd actually got right in the first place! :lol:
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What didn't Ian apologise for, Mac? Calling you a ****** or saying your wife's a prostitute? Funny how the aggrieved only tell half the story when they're discussing how evil we are - Laughing Boy from a hundred pages earlier is probably doing exactly the same.
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I can't see this making the double century now.
Unless......
These VFC chaps, they shag horses don't they?
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It's nearly onto another..........
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........page.
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What?
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What?
Welcome to page 109.
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I think if we can make it to 110 we should celebrate by getting someone else to storm off the site.
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I could do that although I do have a thick skin (as well as a thick head) and it would be tricky to upset me enough.
Maybe this thread could become the 'Cause Upset Now Thread' and we could try to be as offensive to people as possible to make them leave!
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Drummond, you've got shit shoes on, you shitty shoe bastard.
How's that?
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Ouch that hurt.
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I can't help feeling I've missed something. Would someone care to summarise the last 100 or so pages?
Ta.
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Drummond, you've got shit shoes on, you shitty shoe bastard
Paul Calf top stuff!
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I can't help feeling I've missed something. Would someone care to summarise the last 100 or so pages?
Ta.
Everyone's a cnut.
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I can't help feeling I've missed something. Would someone care to summarise the last 100 or so pages?
Ta.
We're all worried about the future.
Except those of us who aren't.
VFCAVSTAVSAAVISASH1T
How many in your army?
We've upset the far right.
See I told you you wouldn't believe me im teh betht see see see.
No I didn't.
Bottom lip.
Crap cricket lines.
Oooooh big thread.
Veiled digs.
Explode again.
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I can't help feeling I've missed something. Would someone care to summarise the last 100 or so pages?
Ta.
We're all worried about the future.
Except those of us who aren't.
VFCAVSTAVSAAVISASH1T
How many in your army?
We've upset the far right.
See I told you you wouldn't believe me im teh betht see see see.
No I didn't.
Bottom lip.
Crap cricket lines.
Oooooh big thread.
Veiled digs.
Explode again.
The only thing that's missing is sex.
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Drummond wrote
The only thing that's missing is sex.
Theres some here... www.catholicabuse.blogspot.com
Ah...it dosent count cos LG/JM said the minority aint big enough ](*,)
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This thread is never-ending....
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This thread is never-ending....
When it gets to page 111 I hope all the moderators will do a shuffle for good luck like Dickie Bird used to do.
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Shouldn't this be in Time Wasters now?
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Oh it's still going on?
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Shouldn't this be in Time Wasters now?
Why? Its still a relevant topic. Obviously, our worry has long since given way to hysteria. You wanker....see! we are randomly abusing each other- ooh err- without knowing why. This thread has become dangerous as at the end of it we'll have got to 200. But for what purpose. We've alienated the resident Nazi, and the VillaTalk poster. we've found out that MAcs wife -I think - is a prostitute. Does she really need this broadcast to the world? Unless its a business trick...if you pardon the pun. If indeed, there was a pun. Which I very much doubt. I mean its not like there has been much fun on here.
I think the most salient point to come out of these pages is that VFC are wrong. Their supporter is wrong. I tend to be right. Shaun Udal, although good taste in woman, is a ginner. No, you're not strawberry blonde, or switchblade. My 100 was usurped by glory hunting fancy dan poofs.
I couldn't give a shite anymore because we're going down. With the share price. Ray Ranson will seem like a sugar daddy when we're playing away at Gresty Rd and looking to pick up Kinsella and Staunton on a free from the mighty Saddlers.
Doom, gloom, misery.
But I'm still glad that H&V is a site with a sense of humour, unlike other sites. That we can keep a thread going because -as Billie Piper sagely observed- we want to. If we hit the triple nelson, as I think we thoroughly deserve then we will have to knuckle down for the ton 50.
Time Wasters? I don't think so. Was it a waste of time reading LG et al imploding in the most bizarre set of postings.EVER? Surely not. I am worried ABOUT HIS SANITY, AND THENCE, FUTURE IN THIS WORLD.Oh, caps lock on. BE will be pained. I was a boy when I started on this oddessy, now I believe I'm a man. Not in a gay way LG, don't want you punching your teddy bear again, just as the therapy was starting to work.
Do you think anyone has dipped into this site wanting to have a look at H&V and seeing 100 pages + as thought, 'Wow, these people have a lot to talk about, right, Page1'? Poor frigger.
So, I'll leave it there for now. Doug is still in power- couldn't care less for once.
DOL is still manager - from being a fan I'm very ambivalent and the future of my team will be ruind IMO with him continuing to manage like he's forgotten the alphabet
We keep losing - worried
Share price - not bothered
2 people have stopped throwing the toys out of their pram and decided to get into a new pram- never welcomed but you know that they will still log on just to see if they're being talked about. And I for one will never mention ianrobo,or Laughing Gravy. Sorry, Gravity.
So, there we go. 111 just round the corner.
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just another little nudge
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in order to make sure you mods, and early risers
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have to either jump up and down a la david shepherd
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or whether they will accpt that
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your fingers dancing over the keyboard in front of you
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will be a valid form of gracious bowing
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to the fact that we all have done a splendid job
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in breaking records day in day out
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and for finally reaching the exalted heights of
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page......
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111 =D> =D> =D> =D> \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ :smt031
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=D> =D> =D> =D>
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Surley [-o<
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I'm glad page 111 has finally arrived. \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
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surley/ surely its all the same when you're celebrating \:D/
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Hurry up and move it along, I can't keep hopping from leg to leg.
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Dance you muther fucker, dance.
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One leg time!
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Do you find this thread funny? Funny how? Does this thread amuse you? You think this thread is here to amuse you? Does this thread look like a fucking clown?
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JOE PESCI - 'Be fucking nice!'
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Is it time for the thread to be locked?
Or
Is it time to get funky?
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If you don't like,
What you see here
Get the funk out
oooooooooooooooohhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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One thread under a groove, gettin' down just for the funk of it.
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This thread is never-ending....
When it gets to page 111 I hope all the moderators will do a shuffle for good luck like Dickie Bird used to do.
It was David Shepherd.
Hop.
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You can really taste the hops!
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Drummond wroteThe only thing that's missing is sex.
Theres some here... www.catholicabuse.blogspot.com
Ah...it dosent count cos LG/JM said the minority aint big enough ](*,)
Apparently Mooney knelt and kissed the feet of a priest and members of the Gay Mafia threw-up at the sight of that.
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Drummond wroteThe only thing that's missing is sex.
Theres some here... www.catholicabuse.blogspot.com
Ah...it dosent count cos LG/JM said the minority aint big enough ](*,)
Apparently Mooney knelt and kissed the feet of a priest and members of the Gay Mafia threw-up at the sight of that.
Are you saying that we have only five years left to convert to the catholic religion?
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Are you saying that we have only five years left to convert to the catholic religion?
I think it's the (wheels of a) cadillac religion.
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Ohh 122.
(sits down and vigorously rubs aching legs)
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Mark Fletcher seconds ago (http://www.vicandbob.net/animation/im_animated.gif)
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Drummond wroteThe only thing that's missing is sex.
Theres some here... www.catholicabuse.blogspot.com
Ah...it dosent count cos LG/JM said the minority aint big enough ](*,)
Apparently Mooney knelt and kissed the feet of a priest and members of the Gay Mafia threw-up at the sight of that.
I saw Mooney yesterday in an ice cream parlour, he was drinking milk shakes cold and long, he was smiling and waving and looking so fine, I don't think he knew he was in this thread.
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I saw Mooney too yesterday.
He apologised to me for all the nasty things he’d said about cousin Stu.
He got really quite emotional. In fact he cried so much his face was wet and I knew he wasn’t lying.
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Was it cold and did it rain?
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Yeah and I felt like an actor.
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Can we start a bring back Herr Gravity La Rue sub thread? I've kind of missed his insane ramblings. Actually, is he okay as he did seem to be losing his mind for a day or two.
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G'day Pete do you go through the morning papers the same as I do, just hoping someone has some good news for us . I'm hoping to get a scoop on this site before most have woken up.
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Morning Robbo. Yup, on the BBC Sport site, looking through papers, but until the transfer window opens up again they are basically useless. Just speculation until they have a story worth reporting. Which, in all honesty, is never about the goings on at Villa Park.
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Looking a bit tired now.
Equivalent of a lazy and streaky stroke through the slips this page.
We need a runner, ianrobo where are you?
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It's definitely in the doldrums now.
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This thread has done a Geoffrey Boycott and is barely active now.
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Maybe there is time for another run before lunch.
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or tea?
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Dinner?
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It's in that corridor of uncertainty between bat and pad.
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Another run taken, but what this thread needs is an exciting injection of shot selection by Laughing Gravity, to get the score moving along again.
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Ideally we could do with Mr Gravity becoming the new fans leader and standing shoulder to shoulder with ianrobo whilst issuing VFC's latest statement regarding the ongoing Ellisout/Udal/Norvelle/Prince William/how ianrobo is always right and was telling people as long as 5 whole years ago that Ellis was bad (he was slow to catch on wasn't he?)/Seth situation.
I don't hold out much hope for 200 to be honest.
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When the Comer story broke the other week, did anyone see ianrobo's "thread of thanks" on Villatalk where he decided to thank all the people who he thought helped him get rid of Doug from Villa Park??
It was the funniest thing i've read in ages.
and here was me thinking that Ellis had a big ego!
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Missed that one. Got a link?
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There are only two people who can remove Doug from Villa Park. One is Doug himself and the other in the Grim Reaper.
People should know that by now. Doug's told us enough times.
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Missed that one. Got a link?
My pleasure:
http://www.villatalk.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=12290&start=0
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No it was me. I'm Spartacus. :-
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When the Comer story broke the other week, did anyone see ianrobo's "thread of thanks" on Villatalk where he decided to thank all the people who he thought helped him get rid of Doug from Villa Park??
Errh no [-X Never even visited that place. Never heard of it.What are you thinking? Yellow card for you and a sit down dinner for two with John Cresswell.
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So, VFC apologists, your lot of bad as muthas been up to anything recently?
Share Price dropping like a stone?
Trust members - anything happening in your world?
Dave, were you out to dinner with Simon Inglis or was it just pillow talk :-
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Does anybody still believe that if Ellis was to sell up today things at Villa Park would get better?
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I think there's been a general malais'e around Villa Park for eighty years exept for the occassional year of Sunshine. I started watching Villa in the fifties and yes we won the F.A cup and were the pre cup favourites every year but we always seemed even then to constantly finish mid table. I think we've become desensitised to mediocrity, many on this site that were decrying our mid table finish of last year would at this stage deem it a successful season if we obtained the same result. I believe we need someone with no attachment to Villa to take control, a nasty visceous bastard who hasn't been tainted with years of accepting mediocrity and who will stop at nothing to acheive success. Attilla the Hun if he's still available. Like to see DOL explain himself to him with his piss weak excuses.
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General Kim Jong -or something- from North Korea will be the one for me. See what he did to Hans Brix? This is one fearless guy, and DOL wouldn't stand a chance. I agree though Robbo, but this season more than any we've seemingly accepted that we are not what we think, and thought, every season. I think that it feels like one disappointment too many, and if it goes wrong at Sunderland, and we lose at home to Charlton, I think the crowd reaction will underline DOL's time at Villa. The other way round and at least 4 points and the crowd will give him a stay of execution.
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I know hopes have been built up around the Sunderland game but when I've watched them this season they appear to play better than their position on the ladder. I just feel this sense of doom, how bad are we that all will be better if we beat the bottom side. Do you really think that deadly will weild the axe when negotiations are still at hand? do you think that the potential owners would have some input through any potential sale. I just want the old cretin out. It amuses me when his supporters say that he is sentimentily attached to Villa and wants the best for the club, well I am sentimentily attached to my company but I didn't start it to be a good allround bloke I started it to make money nothing more nothing less and if anyone feels inclined to make me a good offer for it i'll walk. Ellis has made a fortune and good luck to him thats what business is all about but why people dress it up to be something it's not i'll never know. Villa is his business we are his customers ( i use we in a loose term) so lets cut all the sentimental crap out. Can you tell i've had a bad day? golf club and drinks in 30 minutes thank God.
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Screw You Hans Brix (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0372588/Ss/0372588/TA-DF-04974.jpg?path=gallery&path_key=0372588[url)
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Ok Ok I'll admit it... I actually fancy the brunette gal :- from Team America...
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When the Comer story broke the other week, did anyone see ianrobo's "thread of thanks" on Villatalk where he decided to thank all the people who he thought helped him get rid of Doug from Villa Park??
It was the funniest thing i've read in ages.
and here was me thinking that Ellis had a big ego!
That thread is quality. He did post under the influence of alcohol though. Bless him
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It's now over to our nightwatchman peter...
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It's now over to our nightwatchman peter...
Is he out yet?
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I know hopes have been built up around the Sunderland game but when I've watched them this season they appear to play better than their position on the ladder. I just feel this sense of doom, how bad are we that all will be better if we beat the bottom side. Do you really think that deadly will weild the axe when negotiations are still at hand? do you think that the potential owners would have some input through any potential sale. I just want the old cretin out. It amuses me when his supporters say that he is sentimentily attached to Villa and wants the best for the club, well I am sentimentily attached to my company but I didn't start it to be a good allround bloke I started it to make money nothing more nothing less and if anyone feels inclined to make me a good offer for it i'll walk. Ellis has made a fortune and good luck to him thats what business is all about but why people dress it up to be something it's not i'll never know. Villa is his business we are his customers ( i use we in a loose term) so lets cut all the sentimental crap out. Can you tell i've had a bad day? golf club and drinks in 30 minutes thank God.
Big quote but also great sense. Nice one.
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It's now over to our nightwatchman peter...
Is he out yet?
Lord above no. Just getting my head down and playing a straight bat.
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Worried-
Ride
Rode
Wode
Wide
Word
Wire
Wired
Wore
Wier
Order
Wider
Rowed
Rower
Wordier
Dire
Drier
Rowdier
Drew
Wierdo
Wierd
Dower
Redo
22 words- using 4 letters or more from worried. You see if I can break down my worry into a semblance of its parts I may not be worried about this weekend and the forthcoming relegation battle. Thats another misnomer really, relegation BATTLE. You tend to be down there because thats exactly what you can't do. WE cannot. So in our case it should be a relegation gesture more than anything. If that. Anyway, can anyone make anymore words from worried?
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Well thats half a day taken care of Pete whats on the agenda for the arvo.
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Next time Udal is sniffing around your missus Peter you might want to suggest that she mentions the piece on the news the other day, showing his wife and two young daughters celebrating his first test wicket and saying how proud of him they all are.
418 all out btw.
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Next time Udal is sniffing around your missus Peter you might want to suggest that she mentions the piece on the news the other day, showing his wife and two young daughters celebrating his first test wicket and saying how proud of him they all are.
418 all out btw.
Morning Robbo. The afternoon will be taken up watching cricket. I saw that interview with the ginger bald tit ,Chris, on Sky News did cause a wry smile to cross my face. " We're ever so proud of his attempted adultery away from prying eyes in Pakistan. And the fact that he's left us here thinkinghe's ever such a great guy".
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When Doug does finally go, will the people who've been saying "He's selling up this week" - every week - have the nerve to boast that they were right and this proves how well-connected they are?
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When Doug does finally go, will the people who've been saying "He's selling up this week" - every week - have the nerve to boast that they were right and this proves how well-connected they are?
Yes. Yes they will.
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And i will be to exited to really care.
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When Doug does finally go, will the people who've been saying "He's selling up this week" - every week - have the nerve to boast that they were right and this proves how well-connected they are?
You trying to get this sort of back on topic - SPLITTER
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It's a little warm. Time for a drinks break I think.
What do you fancy?
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It's a little warm. Time for a drinks break I think.
What do you fancy?
Warm - it's fucking freezin mate :-s
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it's quite clement in my room at the moment.
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Yeah. I have to agree with the warmness. Not over night though. Frigging cold! That wasn't in the brochure.
So the topic, does anyone ACTUALLY know anyone on the inside who can give us an insight into how things are progressing in the takeover talks? Something is obviously happening behind the scenes and someone must surely have an 'in'.
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Can I say at this juncture that i'm extremely worried, am i worried more now than I will be after Saturday that is the question.
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Butt has got 100 for Pakistan.
Come on lads :smt079
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Butt has got 100 for Pakistan.
Come on lads :smt079
All jokes aside.
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Mr Udal should be keeping his mind on the job. Not being on the job...bowling like a fanny
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2 quick wickets, 285-5.
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Another 5 quick wickets would be useful
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6 DOWN!
4 wickets for Freddie. =D>
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Butt out, caught behind off Hoggard - 299-7.
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Is this now the test series thread?
I am deeply worried over the English Cricket team's future. Who are the barmy army anyway? and what do they stand for?
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I smell a victory!
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Who are the barmy army anyway?
A bunch of middle class arseholes.
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Who are the barmy army anyway?
A bunch of middle class arseholes.
Who are you? Their spokesman?
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Who are the barmy army anyway?
A bunch of middle class arseholes.
Who are you? Their spokesman?
I have been known to do some freelance PR for them.
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Who are the barmy army anyway?
A bunch of middle class arseholes.
Who are you? Their spokesman?
I have been known to do some freelance PR for them.
Noted. With interest. was it your persistence that got rid of Butt and Inzamam then?
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Noted. With interest. was it your persistence that got rid of Butt and Inzamam then?
It was me who kicked Butt and got rid of 'fat bread.'
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Have you ever met a fellow called ianrobo? He did the very same to the exVilla chairman Doug Ellis. Remember him?
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If I say pretty please can we move away from cricket. It's like coronation street it's never off the box, always someone playing someone somewhere. After the Ashes who gives a shit who wins anywhere. A closed season of six months would be just fine.
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Have you ever met a fellow called ianrobo? He did the very same to the exVilla chairman Doug Ellis. Remember him?
Meet him - I see him most days.
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If I say pretty please can we move away from cricket. It's like coronation street it's never off the box, always someone playing someone somewhere. After the Ashes who gives a shit who wins anywhere. A closed season of six months would be just fine.
OK.
34-1.
We need another 174 with a day and a bit to go. Trescothick is the man out, playing on to Shabbir Ahmed for 5.
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deanl123 wrote
Who are the barmy army anyway?
From the Barmy Armys own mission statement
http://www.barmyarmy.com/cricket/archive/mission_state.asp
The Barmy Army was created by the Australian media, Barmy because we were supporting a side that just couldn't win a game of cricket, not even against Zimbabwe, Australia 'A'or Sydney's youth side.
From the History of the Barmy Army
http://www.barmyarmy.com/cricket/history.asp
The Barmy Army represents a style of supporting. At each game a different Barmy Army is created by the particular group of people that have been able to attend. The aim is to encourage pro-team support and help the England team to do well, particularly on away tours where the opposition fans can be rather intimidating to play in front of.
Its free to join the BarmyArmy..by join, i mean get on their mailing list.
However you can still be a part of the BarmyArmy if you happen to be sitting anywhere near them at an England match!
So "who are the Barmy army?" Well i guess its anyone who fancies joining in!
So, its 24/1 with Bell and Lord Brocket at the crease chasing a very gettable 197. I think it depends on whether their spinners get in on the act, i saw that the England team had the pitch heavy rolled before they started their 2nd innings, whilst this will deaden the wicket it also increases the chance of any moisture rising to the top. fingers crossed that England start with a win.
I am on the Barmy Army mailing list but i don't speak for them and i have no idea how many members there are!
Its just a good way of getting tickets for all England games!
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Did somebody mention VFC?
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Its free to join the BarmyArmy..by join, i mean get on their mailing list.
However you can still be a part of the BarmyArmy if you happen to be sitting anywhere near them at an England match!
So "who are the Barmy army?" Well i guess its anyone who fancies joining in!
.......I am on the Barmy Army mailing list but i don't speak for them and i have no idea how many members there are!
Its just a good way of getting tickets for all England games!
No democratic elections, leader unknown, nobody wishes to talk for them, its just as I suspected!!..... I like the English Cricket Team, but I would like it known that the Barmy Army do not talk for me!
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Did somebody mention VFC?
The VFC mentioned the VFC, or rather, their chief spokesman/chairman/director/friend/gimp of Villa Fans everywhere did.
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If I say pretty please can we move away from cricket. It's like coronation street it's never off the box
There's nowt wrong with Corrie (well, not very often) [-X
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If I say pretty please can we move away from cricket. It's like coronation street it's never off the box
There's nowt wrong with Corrie (well, not very often) [-X
No offence Lizz, not having watched it for 28 years it may well have improved(is Ena Sharples still in it)? But in sunny Melbourne our Television seems to always have bloody cricket on from somewhere replacing good sporting shows like golf, football, racing and I have to put up with aussies still finding excuses why they lost. As if I care. Bye the way G'day.
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Robbo, is the Australia v Uruguay game on live over there this evening. I have scoured the TV channels (SKY included) over here in NZ and the ba#*&rds are not showing it. No doubt there will be lot's of programmes analysing the All Blacks greatness instead. ](*,)
I really wanted to watch the game this evening as well (kicks off 10pm local time here).
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The game is on at 7pm Melbourne time and is a sell out. It may be of little interest outside of Oz but a good result will do wonders for football in Australia. For anyone interested in the first leg Viduka was exellent Kewell was dire.
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Has this been played? The Aus game? Have to say I don't know if I want to see the dirty South American bastards lose, or the friggin' Aussies who will be insufferable if they get to the World Cup. There just like the yanks in that football isn't that big.So I don't want them in the World Cup.
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Be nice to your colonial brothers Pete remember only 19 million over here not likely to achieve world domination unlike the bloody yanks. I will be supporting them all the way tonight but I have the same horrible feeling that like Villa on Saturday they might not get there.
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I used to always want the Aussies to win the 4 yearly play off against South American teams for a World Cup spot Robbo. But now, I really can't be arsed with them. Maybe its too many Schwarzer saves, Cahill/Viduka goals. blue noses and bozzies for me to give a shite anymore.
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Bugger, Pakistan win by 22 runs.
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Bugger, Pakistan win by 22 runs.
Sad to say, but they totally bottled it.
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Thanks you arseholes. Now I'm going to have to put up with the locals prancing about as if we've given them independence or something. I blame Udal. Oh and that bag of shite Collingwood. Useful contribution you ginner get.
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Is it only BBC reporters who pronounce "Pakistan" as "Parrkey-starn"?
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Is it only BBC reporters who pronounce "Pakistan" as "Parrkey-starn"?
No, Imran Khan does too.
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No, they locals call it Parki starrrrn. I call it India. They don't like that.
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Hmmm, maybe it's the Lancs accent them, everyone round here pronounces the "Pak" bit to rhyme with "back." I suppose it's a "grass" or "grarse" type argument.
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Its everything to do with accent. In the south of England its Pakistarn. But with their Asian English most locals say Parkistarn. One or two over here will say pakistarn too, but byenlarge its the many r'd version.
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Its everything to do with accent. In the south of England its Pakistarn. But with their Asian English most locals say Parkistarn. One or two over here will say pakistarn too, but byenlarge its the many r'd version.
I think it's also an age thing. Younger English Pakistanis, in Birmingham anyway, pronounce it in the Brummie way Pak-i-stan, whereas the older blokes tend to stick to the rounded 'r' version.
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Is there a subject this thread hasn't covered yet?!
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Is there a subject this thread hasn't covered yet?!
Yes - why Villa Fans are worried about thei future
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Is it only BBC reporters who pronounce "Pakistan" as "Parrkey-starn"?
I think that "Parkystarn" should be the official pronunciation, then when the nobheads are throwing insults at our colonial friends they will call them "parkies" making it sound like they should be picking up litter with a pointy stick and shouting "Keep off the fucking grass you bastards".
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Is there a subject this thread hasn't covered yet?!
I haven't made any money out of it yet, but I'm still trying to think of a way.
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Is there a subject this thread hasn't covered yet?!
I haven't made any money out of it yet, but I'm still trying to think of a way.
Some sort of sponsorship deal? It could take over from the Duracell Bunny as their new marketing ploy!
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Is there a subject this thread hasn't covered yet?!
I haven't made any money out of it yet, but I'm still trying to think of a way.
Just put it in the mag. There is enough content for you not to have to put anything else together for months.
Then you could get it serialised in one of the sunday rags to make a little more dough.
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BRIAN LITTLE WALKS ON WATER
This is my 1000th post and I thought the above was appropriate.
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BRIAN LITTLE WALKS ON WATER
This is my 100th post and I thought the above was appropriate.
Wow, 902 posts since lunchtime, surely that's some sort of record?
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Dave Cooper wrote:
BRIAN LITTLE WALKS ON WATER
Indeed he does. Nuff said.
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Nuff said.
Nuff said? On this thread? Are you having a larf? Can I ask any more questions? Am I being annoying now?
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Nuff said.
Nuff said? On this thread? Are you having a larf? Can I ask any more questions? Am I being annoying now?
Yes
\:D/
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Which one is that a yes to?
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what are we talking about now?
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what are we talking about now?
Whether Brian Little actually can walk on water. :-k
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I went for a walk in the woods the other day with David O'Leary, Graham Taylor and Brian Little.
We came to a river and the nearest bridge was a couple of miles away. So Graham Taylor said he knew what to do. He stepped off the bank and walked to the other side.
Brian Little followed him across.
O'Leary stepped off the bank, splashed into the water and drowned.
Taylor turned to Little and asked "do you think we should have told him about the stepping stones?"
Little replied "What stepping stones?"
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I've never posted on this thread.
I have now.
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Where's Ryu?
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Where's Ryu?
Sagat pulped him.
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I havent contributed to this debate so far, so
"i dunno"
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Hey! Is this still going?
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I've never posted on this thread.
I have now.
Glory hunter! :smt002
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i didn't contribute to the debate.
But now the debate is over as this thread descends into siliness.
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Christine really needs a clean before I move inside her next time
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Silliness? Don't be silly!
Those Villa Fans Concerned be pleased to know the share price is stable: £4.75, with very low trading.
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Would anyone like to see my monkey impression?
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Yes, please!
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joe-c that wasn't very good. Do it again. \:D/
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I think this thread should remain open til after Saturdays result then if it goes against us i predict a huge influx of i'm worried messages.And off we go again.
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If it goes FOR us...?
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Robbo, did you see the game. It was on after all in NZ and I stayed up to watch it, cheering on the Green and Golds. I loved the commentators reactions when the final pealty was scored. A great game and evening.
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Yes I did. Extra time cost me a bit of nooky but have to say it was worth the sacrifice. Ozzies dominated the play but the South Americans had the clearer chances and should have scored. I wonder if it was a record for free kicks?
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If it goes FOR us...?
Close it down don't want another week of bloody cricket. Oh unless its womens total nude cricket .
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If it goes FOR us...?
Close it down don't want another week of bloody cricket. Oh unless its womens total nude cricket .
Plenty of scope for jokes about bouncers, googlies and wrong 'uns here I reckon!
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new ball please
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120 pages - we're taking the proverbial here!! [-X
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Nookie? Robbo? Now I'm worried about your future. Your ticker won't be able to take it mate. Do yo ustill get morning glory in the early evening of your life? Important question that I think we all need to have clarified
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No it's purely by appointment these days. Her indoors says that everything that is good is worth waiting for problem is times running out. Ask your Dad or perhaps better not. Notice you have failed to mention the glorious Ozzie win over the Panchos. How do you fill your time in the Major metropolis of Pakistan hows the air conditioning?
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Morning Robbo.Not sure that I'm glad that the convicts won or not. We're bound to get in them in the WC now and lose 1-0. Actually its not as hot here as you may presume. Gets up to about 26 C in the daytime now its winter but into the low single figures when the sun goes down. The funny thing is that because you get accustomed to the mid 40's C furnace of the summer 26C doesn't feel that warm. My old man s still a whipper snapper at 58 so I should hope theres still lead in the pencil. Sad indictment if there isnt.
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Almost the same here in the Melbourne Spring. 29 today but hopefully it will drop to low teens tonight. I don't think I would survive a Brummie winter now but next year could be the first time in 28 years. I still remember the Saturday before I came over here they announced it over the P.A at Villa Park all the rellies had gone to get drinks so I was standing on my own. That was pre Ellis probably doesn't allow it now. Don't worry about the ozzies mate there are more important things like Sunderland.
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Not concerned about Sunderland Robbo, more worried that Villa are not going to be in the Premiership next season. It says something when you begin to dread matchday rather than look forward to it. There is an air of festering rotteness at VP and Doug isn't doing anything about it. All of a sudden I'm seeing VFC's point of view. I now blame him. A couple of years ago he'd have dumped DOL and for once the fans wouldn't have complained. Yet now he's doing the opposite. Is this his revenge for all the years of abuse he's suffered. He can see its shite, so, if there is to be neww owners, and a big cash injection, then he won't need to be worried about compensation for DOL as it'll be covered.
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hi all this is just to get the thread back up to the top.
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Sorry to talk while you were interupting.
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I have to say I am surprised at the lack of comment from His Highness 'The Fear' regarding the potential collapse of the Comer Bros. bid for the PLC that is Aston Villa.
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i can't wait for the VFC to release something on it. That should kick this thread to 200 pages!
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If Roy Keane signs for a different club then I am also sure that VFC will release a statement lambasting our club for failing to sign him.
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If Roy Keane signs for a different club then I am also sure that VFC will release a statement lambasting our club for failing to sign him.
Yeah of course they will. Everything's brilliant now we've beaten Sunderland, isn't it Drummond?
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I am determined to get to my 500th post on THIS thread.
Just so as I can say I did it.
And so I can die happy.
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If Roy Keane signs for a different club then I am also sure that VFC will release a statement lambasting our club for failing to sign him.
Yeah of course they will. Everything's brilliant now we've beaten Sunderland, isn't it Drummond?
Forgive me Risso, but VFC have issued some Press Releases before on the back of non-news so I figured it may happen again, particularly as we have heard nothing for a while.
No Risso, it isn't all brilliant either, but it's better than it was, surely even you can see that?
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So where are we with the take over? I'm not sure that the hush at VP means anything in particular. I think the last statement that I read concerned the accountants looking throug what was on the table. Anything more since then? I'm trying to think back to other take overs but can't really recall if they were similar to ours. Is Doug just keeping it quiet and putting it on a back burner? I doubt that two businessmen like Comer would allow that to happen. They obviously trade on name and reputation as any business, and if they are successful in their line of work they are used to success whatever they do. So, they will not allow their name to be sullied by a 'rejection' from Villa for any reason. For the good of their reputation they would release a press statement condeming Doug. We haven't seen it, no-one involved as been in the press. Apparently, Stoke Exchange rules ensure this. So, it seems from my vantage point that everything is still ongoing. Can anyone comment?
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So where are we with the take over?
Express and Star think it's looking less likely. The Mercury say it's still on course and will happen before christmas.
Yer pays yer money...
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Just to add to the debate.
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Can anybody remember what it was that the fearful three were worried about?
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Falling for another kippax hoax?
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I thought it had something to do with Noddy Holder.
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god, it's still going on.
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not until you posted it wasn't!
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Where's Laughing Gravity? Is he the guy that was arrested in Austria for denying that the holocaust actually happened? Is that why he hasn't posted?
(This should be good for a page or two :- )
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Christ this is like a Boycott innings.
Has anybody heard whether Weller is in line for some sort of Brit award next year?
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Christ this is like a Boycott innings.
Will he bat right through and run out of partners?
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No, they locals call it Parki starrrrn. I call it India. They don't like that.
=D> =D> =D>
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As long as I've bot a bat in my hand, and a keyboard under my nose, this will just keep on ticking....unless the mods bowl me a wrong 'un. Or scuff up the thread whilst we're all looking elsewhere...Can someone PM Laughing Gravy and tell him that we're all missing him? Kind of the way he missed the holocaust I suppose? We're sorry for what we did or didn't do. Anything to get him back on. He was kind of fun. Do you know for those few pages I felt like a cat playing with a little mouse just before it intended to kill it.
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I do wish people would stop bringing this thread back to the top of the board with gratuitous posts.
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I do wish people would stop bringing this thread back to the top of the board with gratuitous posts.
I agree with Steve. Quite frankly it’s becoming rather tiresome.
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Like this one?
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Which one?
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That one...^ up there
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Oh right, thanks.
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Oh right, thanks.
No I think he meant the one over there ----------^
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Are you sure?
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It's my sad duty to say that despite considerable care this thread's demise is imminent.
It will not last the next 24 hours.
Call for Bobby Charlton now.
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Has this thread shagged Miss World?
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Has this thread shagged Miss World?
Where did it all go wrong?
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This thread has just announced that it is going on a nationwide question and answer tour. It will be telling amusing stories about 'drinking Canada Dry.'
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Tony Bliar's just been on the news.
Apparently this was the people's thread.
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With the share price falling this week, can we expect a press release from the Gang of Four and if so, what will happen to this thread?
Current share price: £4.55
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Do you know that this thread once had a trip on Doug's boat. It's 110% gospel. :-
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I would just like to say that I don't think the 'Bartons Lock-out' ever happened.
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I would just like to say that I don't think the 'Bartons Lock-out' ever happened.
Another five pages at least.
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This thread’s barely alive but we have the technology, we can rebuild it.
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I'm sorry to report that this thread passed away during the night.
Feel fre to leave your thoughts on this thread in the book of condolences here (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?p=159222)
There will be a minute's silence before all Premiership games today as a mark of respect.
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It's back.
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It's back.
I knew, I just knew that if I closed my eyes and wished really hard that it would come back \:D/
However,.... why's it back ? :-s
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I knew, I just knew that if I closed my eyes and wished really hard that it would come back \:D/
However,.... why's it back ? :-s
I was bored and looking through the archives.
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Lets just see how many more pages we can squeeze out of it then \:D/
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There was once a Sex Pistols album called Flogging A Dead Horse, which seems appropriate to mention here.
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I don't think I really contributed to this thread and I thought my opportunity had gone but now I'm not going to miss my second chance.
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There was once a Sex Pistols album called Flogging A Dead Horse, which seems appropriate to mention here.
That'd be the compilation of 'b' sides and other material not deemed worthy of inclusion on proper releases, IIRC. :-s
Oh yeah, I take your point :-
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That'd be the compilation of 'b' sides and other material not deemed worthy of inclusion on proper releases, IIRC. :-s
I think it was the greatest hits of the Bollocks & Great Rock'n'Roll Swindle singles. The real barrel scraping was Some Product, which I think was just radio interviews and adverts, with no music.
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And like Lazarus, the thread rose from the dead. What more can be expected from this leviathan of a thread?
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That'd be the compilation of 'b' sides and other material not deemed worthy of inclusion on proper releases, IIRC. :-s
I think it was the greatest hits of the Bollocks & Great Rock'n'Roll Swindle singles. The real barrel scraping was Some Product, which I think was just radio interviews and adverts, with no music.
Yup, yer dead right:
1 : Anarchy in the UK
2 : I wanna be me
3 : God save the Queen
4 : Did you no wrong
5 : Pretty vacant
6 : Holidays in the sun
7 : No fun
8 : My way
9 : Something else
10 : Silly thing
11 : C'mon everybody
12 : Stepping stone
13 : Great rock 'n' roll swindle
14 : No one is innocent
Memory playing tricks and all that. :smt101
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Fanny batter!
Can any of our viewers beat that?
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A secret society and now this, does life get any better?
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Move along now... only 1843 things to see here.... move along....
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Woodhall - Why????????????????
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Can't we put this one to bed, so to speak?
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I would like to congratulate Mr Woodhall for his initiative. I think with the so called takeover apparently on the slide and Ellis looking more in the ground than out of it plus the fact it appears we have no money whatsoever and if we suffer any major injuries we are in real strife i believe the re-incarnation of this thread is ver appropriate and shoud be good for the 200. Where is Peter W.
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Anyway, do you reckon Villa fans are worried about our future?
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Anyway, do you reckon Villa fans are worried about our future?
Nah, couldn't give a monkey's, me!
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Anyway, do you reckon Villa fans are worried about our future?
Nah, couldn't give a monkey's, me!
Since when did you become the spokesman for all Villa fans?
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"Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
The statement that started it all. Hard to disagree with really.
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Villa aren't doing well becuase they are run by a gay, jewish, shape-shifting lizard.
That should provoke a few more pages of comment.
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ok. just finsihed reading this thread, right.
it's not all about money. look at middlesbrough then look at bolton, wigan, west ham ...
aston villa need a manager that can develop and someone who knows hwo to win
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ok. just finsihed reading this thread...
I assume you started at Christmas?...
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do, do, do, come on and do the conga......... oh, sorry \:D/ wrong thread
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I haven't posted on this thread yet and I don't intend to start now. 8-[
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C'mon guys - let's get this back on topic. [-X
Ahem...
Right, I am actually feeling a tad less worried about our future, on account of the fact that we have just whupped the Smoggies, in their own smoggy back yard.
Fickle - hell yes I am.
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
\:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
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the club is in a mess....run badly from top to bottom.......too many promises broken.......expectations of the fans being met....time for someone to see through the mess......a forward thinker of the ramsey, rinder,mcgregor mould, ..........BUT FOR TONIGHT.......... DO, DO ,DO, COME ON AND DO THE CONGA, OOH ,OOH ,OOH A TRAIN ACROSSSS...,sorry, that match thread REALLY got to me.... \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ :smt002 :smt002 :smt002
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. Welcome back old friend. Welcome back. Company for me and Robbo whilst the diurnalists are tucked up in the land of nod.
So, the takeover? Bit slow eh? Erm, oh sod it, I can't get worked up. Who needs new players and more money when we've got this back.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Cheeky single to square leg as Winters seems set for a long obdurate stay.................
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Need a night-watchman?
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A few wouldn't go amiss. Feel like me and Robbo are just posting statements rather than getting into a debate. Will you be my friend Legion?
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Of course! Statements or debate?
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Oh, either. Never too fussy on the graveyard shift.
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OK. After our current run:
1. Are you still worried?
2. Is DO'L the right man for the job?
3. Is it time to apologise to Chris for doubting him?
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1. Yes. But not as worried as I was. We aren't far from safety now.
2 and 3. No. chris probably doesn't believe in his own arguments. Just argues for the sake of it now. As for DOL I don't think he is the right man for the job. A 4-0 win is great but it shows what the team haven't been doing all season. Will it improve under DOL? No I don't think so. He has underachieved poorly with this set of players.
You?
and I'll read your reply tomorrow....
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Left you in the lurch today (or night depending) Pete seeing as i'm a self employed miserable capitalist as things were on the quiet side decided to give myself the afternoon off. Pity it was only 23 degrees a little to cold for the beach, and too windy for the golf course. I don't know how i cope.
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1. Yes, but not quite as much as before.
2. No!
3. No, see above answer for reason!!
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1) No, but then I never was.
2) Time will tell.
3) I won't hold my breath as you lot will never admit you're wrong. Even though we've been on a decent run of form for 3 months now, it's still the odd defeat that generates the most reaction.
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About our very own Gauleiter, homophobe and Upholder of the Internet Law
I'm sure he'll be back. For all that he pretends to dislike us he still keeps coming back for more.
You were wrong with that one.
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OK. After our current run:
1. Are you still worried?
No, the players are showing character and commitment that will see us through.
2. Is DO'L the right man for the job?
Nope. I'd imagine O'Leary is just as suprised as us fans with the recent two performances.
3. Is it time to apologise to Chris for doubting him?
If Chris' arguments were in anyway related to our recent good form, then yes. However, as Chris is fully aware, they are not, not that he'd care providing we maintain this current new found mentality and form. :smt002
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Over to the night shift, set up nicely for a push onto the next page.
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Well, we are all waiting for the players to take the field for tonight's start of play. Peter W and Robbo are currently undefeated and looking to press home their advantage, while the rest of you are sleeping. Looks like we will be in for a long night. \:D/
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I'll give you a bit of a hand, as it's still early.
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Don't expect Peter to be around for a couple of hours yet. I just hope he doesn't mind us starting without him.
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Starting what exactly?
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This is Peter's nightshift thread Dave. He even threatened to put a Jihad on Mac for locking it. This thread has everything in it. It's where we talk about Gay Nazi's etc when everyone else is asleep.
By the way, where is Laughing Gravity? :-#
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Starting what exactly?
The night shift. It's a real party in here when the night shift get going.
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I've just played a delightful through ball to Pete W but apparently Islamabad has blocked thinking it came from a Danish newspaper.Hello possums.
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However, I ghosted through under the shadow of darkness to illuminate the night sky. Which of course, here, isn't. Nor in Melbourne or NZ. Morning all.
Right then. Where shall we go with this today?
Dol out?
Why haven't we been playing like this all season?
Do you fancy us for the cup?
Which commonwealth country do you dislike, and why?
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You've missed the boat Pete they've all gone home. I dislike all commonwealth countries that are sending second rate athletes that wouldn't make the qualifying time for the olympics to my City disrupting traffic flow and making all my trucks late on their deliveries. Should be called the second rate games because thets what most of the commonwealth athletes are. Is that allright for starters?
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Oh well Robbo looks like I'll sail this ship alone. The Commonwealth Games are a bit of a joke to be fair. They were good in Manchester but only becase we won some medals. Asa trading bloc for the poorer Commonwealth countries its an effective institution. But who really cares about seeing a Cook Island long jumper springing to 5 metres in the pit? Largely irrelevant. However a few years ago I remember an Aussie athlete-decathlete? High Jumper? called Peter Winter. Very nearly a good name. Just not quite. However, despite my surname being spelled with an 'S' do you think any frigger can spell it? Retards.
Okay then, the Winter Olympics are starting soon or have just started. So which is more irrelevant the Commonwealth games or the Winter Olympics? You know the one where throwing a brick on ice nearly became our national sports because those Calendar WI girls, who needed a new avenue after their royalties had run out, won a gold.
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I lost interest in the winter olympics when Eddie the Eagle stopped plummeting to earth. At least they are the best in their given sport so they have more relevance than the majority of the contestants in the 100 metre commonwealth egg and spoon race. I see the queen is so enthralled with it all she is staying one night to open the bloody thing then jetting of to somewhere far more interesting. I notice how they all disappeared the moment you logged on Pete is there something they're not telling you? You would think that one of the thought police would take some interest in what we say.
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I just take it that the profound elements of what I have to say makes those want to get a good 8 hours in before they philosophy mantra that is within can be fully comprehended. Yeah, that's what it must be. But also you realise there are no mods here so we can say what we like. So, erm, these African nations players. Look a bit...oh hold on Drummonds the racist isn't he? Erm, Islam. Theres a subject we can laugh and joke about....No no i've already issued a fatwa on mac and this thread is back. Jews..oooooohhh...do you know I used to lodge witha Jewish guy. Every time a letter come in addressed 'To The Occupier' I gave it to him...boom boom- no thats not a Tel Aviv lunch time....
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Thats a point if we go really over the top the mods will freak out tomorrow and decide to work shifts. Alternately they coud just ban us.
My cousin who lives on the Walsall Road in Great Barr has e-mailed me to say they now log into this site just to see what i'm writing. I now have a fan club.
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Whhhhaaaaaaa? I get no recognition? For all my efforts. You're right Robbo I suggest we write more and more close to the knuckle type things to make sure we get babysat. Thing is they'd only just ignore us. Sniff. Fancy it against Newcastle at the weekend? Is that footy round up programme on Monday nights? Peter Brackley used to do the voice over as I recall. Used to be quite good.
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Who knows with the Villa we could just as easy lose 4-0 on Saturday.
I remember the good old days when by the time you left Villa park and got in the car the music would start at 5 oclock and lead into all the days results followed by game reports. A quick pit stop at the queslett pub and then home for tea. Of course young man you may have missed out on such delights.
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Indeed Robbo. Indeed. Never even heard of the queslett pub. The 5 o clock music reminds me more of away trips on the coach and afterwards you'd get the music and then all the match reports. Oh, appy daze. Now its back to the Ruskin Hall with me old fella- he of Summer Lane School, born Manchester St, so he's more likely to remember your old drinking haunts- and then watching ths ecores coming in on Sky. Not quite the same.
When I were a nipper it would be a drink in the Globe-remember that one? Bottom of Manchester St (I think). Obviously I hadn't progressed from Shandy Bass as I were only young.
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I suppose we should attempt in passing to pay homage to the original thread. I think one good set of results does not mean as a club we are in anything but survival mode. It appears buyers are not hammering the doors down to put their bids in and it seems that Ellis's days are limited. Even the VT site has given up on a takeover, Ian has been very quiet of late and the thread has disappeared of the page. I will continue to be worried until we have a firm financial basis for the club that enables us to compete on a regular basis in the transfer market.
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Agree fully. Even when we had our great run of results two seasons ago you had the feeling that a few injuries, suspensions and we'd be in trouble. Same now. The fact that I think DOL has not done a great job is an aside to that. If takeverws happen they tend to go through once the cards are laid on the table and the bid has been accepted. This is dragging its feet- if indeed it still has feet- and is slowly dying a death. Who's to blame? Doug? The consortia? We would like to know something but at the moment we are all being left in limbo. The longer it goes on the less you feel like these people should be in charge. Whats the problem? Whats the hold -up? Not enough money? Not sure about their intentions? Something aint right Robbo, and I'd actually prefer this deal to collapse now. As I suspect, it already has.
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Agree fully. Even when we had our great run of results two seasons ago you had the feeling that a few injuries, suspensions and we'd be in trouble. Same now. The fact that I think DOL has not done a great job is an aside to that. If takeverws happen they tend to go through once the cards are laid on the table and the bid has been accepted. This is dragging its feet- if indeed it still has feet- and is slowly dying a death. Who's to blame? Doug? The consortia? We would like to know something but at the moment we are all being left in limbo. The longer it goes on the less you feel like these people should be in charge. Whats the problem? Whats the hold -up? Not enough money? Not sure about their intentions? Something aint right Robbo, and I'd actually prefer this deal to collapse now. As, I suspect, it already has.
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We would like to know something but at the moment we are all being left in limbo. The longer it goes on the less you feel like these people should be in charge. Whats the problem? Whats the hold -up? Not enough money? Not sure about their intentions? Something aint right Robbo, and I'd actually prefer this deal to collapse now. As I suspect, it already has.
That was my initial thought too, but I've since considered whether the recent silence is due to Rothschild bringing in a more professional approach to proceedings and stopping all the negaotiation by proxy through the press.
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OI!Robbo and me have given y'all enough to keep this debate raging for pages to come. Where are you? I'm staying here in this thread only until you miserable gits join me. I feel like that teacher in Ferris Bueller, or was it Back to the Future,...."Anyone...anyone"...........
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OI!Robbo and me have given y'all enough to keep this debate raging for pages to come. Where are you? I'm staying here in this thread only until you miserable gits join me. I feel like that teacher in Ferris Bueller, or was it Back to the Future,...."Anyone...anyone"...........
See it's the usual Villa apathy, not willing to join in, very reserved, don't want to be seen rocking the boat, but we've drawn Chris Smith out and we know he has that many detractors we may get a few more anti C.S pages out of this. Fingers crossed. I am with him and agin you on Barry though.
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Good morning to you all. I believe that the Queslett is on Queslett Rd, past the Trees (which is now Schofield's) and the Deer's Leap.
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Good morning to you all. I believe that the Queslett is on Queslett Rd, past the Trees (which is now Schofield's) and the Deer's Leap.
Correct, lived in Streetly at the time, so the Trees is called Schofield's now what a poxy name. Shortly to bed i'm afraid, i miss all the fun.
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Is The Queslett the one that's been turned into a sports bar, big pub, right on a roundabout.
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Yes. Opposite the ASDA.
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Yes. Opposite the ASDA.
That's the Old Horns. The Queslett is a couple of roundabouts up.
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Correct #-o
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Is a Queslett animal, mineral or vegetable?
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Was in the Queslett after the Everton match on Boxing Day. It's still a decent pub. Real ale. Idiot free zone.
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Unlike Schofields, which on the Beerintheevening site got a lower mark than the Scott Arms.
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Unlike Schofields, which on the Beerintheevening site got a lower mark than the Scott Arms.
Which takes some doing!
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Unlike Schofields, which on the Beerintheevening site got a lower mark than the Scott Arms.
Which takes some doing!
My thoughts entirely. The Scott's has always been the epitome of a place the word chav was invented for.
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Unlike Schofields, which on the Beerintheevening site got a lower mark than the Scott Arms.
Which takes some doing!
My thoughts entirely. The Scott's has always been the epitome of a place the word chav was invented for.
Same here. Must be bad there if they outdo the Scott Arms!
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Can someone inform me where the Beeches pub rates, Was my local and spent a fortune in there.
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http://www.beerintheevening.com/
Have a look yourself.
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God Gt Barr pubs ](*,)
Cat and Fiddle, The old Horns, Scholfields, Deers Leep and many more are just awful
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It isn't just Great Barr. Birmingham must have the worst collection of pubs in the country.
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I spent Saturday night in various pubs in parts of the Greater Manchester area (ie, Bury/Bolton). It was effing fantastic.
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I spent Saturday night in various pubs in parts of the Greater Manchester area (ie, Bury/Bolton). It was effing fantastic.
Manchester got some shite pubs and some great ones
But after living in Great Barr for 20 years and drinking in the area for 12 of those I can say its shit. I used to go to Sutton or Town all the time was a decent beer!!!
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But after living in Great Barr for 20 years and drinking in the area for 12 of those I can say its shit. I used to go to Sutton or Town all the time was a decent beer!!!
If you wanted decent beer you could have got the 451 into West Brom, bcause there have always been a few decent pubs there.
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I like the pubs in Bury - quite a few with decent beer, with a downhill crawl to the football ground. Also "home of the black pudding" too, from the market. Usually makes it past the stewards at Gigg Lane undetected. Rochdale is also an underrated town for a decent bevvy.
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know it was a long time ago but our Thurday nights boys night out consisted of drinks at the Crown in Broad Street then on to the Rum Runner or the Opposite Lock do any of those still exist?
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Yeah, Broad Street still exists but I'm working on that.
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The Beeches in Northfield Robbo? Dear God! yes I think its still there. Love to get into this conversation but theres a general lack of good, no hold on, any watering holes here. Well thats not quite right, there the bar at the British High Commission. The locals have loads of'underground' places they go for a drink mind. Pakistan drink free? My arse. Oh and good morning/afternoon to y'all. I mean Robbo. JD if you're on, and the Brisbane bloke. Robbo, fair enough if you're differing to me on barry, lets hope he keeps this type of form up because playing the way he has in the last couple of games is international form.
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Great pub link though Dave. Its surprising how many of my ex haunts actually are shite. Good to see the ones I frequented as a resident of Brighton/Hove. Says it all that the ones their are markwed down as shite also. Is it me? :-k
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[snip]The Beeches in Northfield Robbo? [/snip]
Oh and good morning/afternoon to y'all. I mean Robbo. JD if you're on, and the Brisbane bloke.
The beeches was in great bar i think and it was a dive
Morning by the way :D
As for barry ... when i was down there last season he had a few great games but to me just seemed lazy (this isn't the barry thread tho so i'll shut up ;) )
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No no Cameron- this is where us night crawlers debate everything. You want to talk about barry here please feel free. Its the chat room for us exports. Or is that experts? :-k
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[snip]The Beeches in Northfield Robbo? [/snip]
Oh and good morning/afternoon to y'all. I mean Robbo. JD if you're on, and the Brisbane bloke.
The beeches was in great bar i think and it was a dive
Morning by the way :D
As for barry ... when i was down there last season he had a few great games but to me just seemed lazy (this isn't the barry thread tho so i'll shut up ;) )
Yes on the Beeches estate, was a dive back then thats why i probably felt at home there, and the fact it was at the bottom of my street so didn't have far to crawl. You know I always get a nasty feeling that B.E is tut-tutting at my punctuation,
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You know what, I dont think i've contributed to this thread yet .... oh well, I have now !!!
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You know what, I dont think i've contributed to this thread yet .... oh well, I have now !!!
Welcome and if your not doing much at about 3am Peter W, Brendan and myself will be grateful for the company. 200 is the target so talk away, pubs, sex, funny cartoons you've seen lately or if your desperate any concerns you may have over the future of Aston Villa.
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I'd love to but this will be me at 3am :smt015 :smt015
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You're yellow? Have you got liver problems? Or are you possibly a Simpson?
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You're yellow? Have you got liver problems? Or are you possibly a Simpson?
Neither at the moment but maybe if I drink as much as i did saturday night then liver trouble is inevitable !!
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I've been out of the country for a week. What's the latest with the alleged takeover? Any developments?
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Yes. The Comer Brothers, Michael Neville, Ray Ranson and Brian Richardson are heading one super consortium that will install Calton Palmer as player manager and sign a new front pairing of Steve Bull and Benny McCarthy.
Other then that, nothing !!!
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Okay chaps, clock in, eyes down for the nightshift.
And I'm very glad I checked the sentence above and made a small alteration before posting.
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Yes, nightshit wouldn't go down too well.
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Yes, nightshit wouldn't go down too well.
But better than the letter I left out. According to Laugning Boy, anyway.
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Yes, nightshit wouldn't go down too well.
But better than the letter I left out. According to Laugning Boy, anyway.
Was the letter "L" by any chance ?? :smt002
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Where's Peter?
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sssshhhh Legion, Peter is still asleep. You don't want to wake him up before time, or you could endure his wrath. :-
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Welcome to page 130 !!!
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sssshhhh Legion, Peter is still asleep. You don't want to wake him up before time, or you could endure his wrath. :-
Wake him up. I can take it!!
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PETER.... WAKE UP....LEGION WANTS A WORD
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Hi, Peter! JD has sprung into action....what are your thoughts this evening?
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Peter get up! Time for work you lazy shit!
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My thoughts this morning are... Sh#t I have an audio conference in 17 minutes that I am chairing. In wish I wasn't at work today, really don't feel up to it after a 25km hill run last night. #-o
Still at least it's Thursday already, pay day today. \:D/
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Morning all it's pissing down here so glad I cancelled golf. Bit early for Peter usually get noyhing out of him for another three hours. He would be proud of the development of this thread though.
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Raining here in Christchurch as well Robbo (in fact bucketing down). I'm not complaining though because it has been very dry for months (all the hills are brown and there have been loads of fires) and I have just laid some grass seed. \:D/
See Liverpool got beat by Charlton tonight, so we dropped down a position. Useless Scousers ](*,)
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It's been raining here as well.
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Yeah Dave but it always rains in England. I quite like it when it rains over here, because it is not that frequent. Everyone whinging about it this morning, despite not having a decent bit of rain for a few weeks.
Bunch of whingers they are. \:D/
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Talking about the weather. How quintesentially English.
Still, better out than in.
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Well Robbo started it. :-
Don't you ever sleep Dave? You seem to keep very late hours.
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I'm busy on my next masterplan.
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Excellent.
Does it include world domination, the takeover of Villa, or the sacking of Rome?
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Excellent.
Does it include world domination, the takeover of Villa, or the sacking of Rome?
Yes, no and probably not.
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My thoughts this morning are... Sh#t I have an audio conference in 17 minutes that I am chairing. In wish I wasn't at work today, really don't feel up to it after a 25km hill run last night. #-o
Still at least it's Thursday already, pay day today. \:D/
You bloody show off. Anyone showing the slightest tendency toward fitness and a healthy body should be banned from this site.
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Not showing off Robbo, it's what I do. I actually take it semi seriously, running regular half and full Marathons. I've already had three races so far this year.
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It puts my 20 minute brisque walk a day into perspective but then you don't have the limitations of age and idleness to hold you back. Not good enough for Melbourne then?
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I'm good enough to watch at Melbourne, certainly not to compete. Not in that class, although I do ocassionally compete against the top runners in NZ, (ok I run in the same races but compete in a different class), it just that I only see them at the start of a race and then at the prize giving.
Age is not on my side either, I run in the Masters (over 40) class nowadays, not in the open class.
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My sincere appologies JD i had you down as one of those young upstarts
that think anyone over 35 is past it. They all appear to live in Islamabad.
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Robbo, to be 35 again. Now that would be nice. :-({|=
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Gracefully sliding through into the night hours with this golden oldie.
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But where is Peter? He was strangely absent yesterday and people need answers to questions (especially on the family fortune thread on timewasters). :-k
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And that's me signing off, leaving the night to all you people out there in internet land, especially those of you in foreign climes.
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that's right, bugger off and leave a sinking ship.
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WHoa whoa whoa [-X there ain't no ship sinknig in these waters. Yes Robbo I do beliveve those over 35 are too old to be in believable existence and need to be quarantined. Or atleast have a separate room so that they can eat. Nothing worse than seeing the 36+ yr olds trying to put peas in their mouths. Gravy dribbling down their chins. Holding cutlery like they're not sure about this holding of implements business.
Going to be one of them as I'm 36 later in the year though, so its a long way down.
See its been raining everywhere. Beautiful morning in Islamabad. Blue skies, sun shining, Margalla hills just to the left of me, American chinooks flying overhead looking to bomb something/anything. Ahhhh. Heaven.
Legion you noisy frigger, stop shouting, you wanna talk,we talk, you wanna shout, you're out.
So Newcastle tomorrow. Or Mythcastle as they really should be called. Beat them and then Man City in the Cup. This could turn into a great feb. Lose them both and Chris is going to have a busy keyboard.
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As you thought it okay to absent yourself yesterday I in reply am off to play golf as the sun is back where it should be. They really should have a veterans site I feel worn down by all this youthful vigour problem is the determination of a Veteran. Watching Peter mac score the winner as a teenager gets me in. 36 is a disgustingly young age Pete, totally wasted on those that are actually 36.
I am not convinced of our form yet and the Barcodes will get a lift as you do from a different atmosphere in Shearer land but fingers crossed. Well hey ho will be back on in five hours.
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Had a day in bed to recover from a long drawn out poker/beer session. Easy for us with youthful vigour. Enjoy hitting little balls with odd looking sticks.I'll be gone whence you return so hopefully we'll have had 3 points to discuss on Monday.
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(Whispers): How's your head, Peter?
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Okay now. Took me until 4pm to sober up. Sitting on the balcony in temperatures in the high 20's whilst dehydrated didn't help. But worth mentioning to those of you in cold climates.....
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The weekend starts here.
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And a big hello to all you truckers out there! Welcome to the last refuge of the damned
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And a big hello to all you truckers out there!
Wasn't this what Smashey and Nicey kept saying when they were moved to the Graveyard Shift on FAB FM ??
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And a big hello to all you truckers out there!
Wasn't this what Smashey and Nicey kept saying when they were moved to the Graveyard Shift on FAB FM ??
That's a negatory good buddy!
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This thread will go down in H+V online folklore...
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May as well get the serious stuff underway. Who'll be the 2,000th post?
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Let's make sure that it isn't Peter. I'm sure that will piss him off as much as someone 'stealing' the ton off him. \:D/
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I hope it's Laughing Gravity.
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Well if it is LG then it would probably add quite a few more pages on, in a very short space of time. I would personally like to see the honour go to our dear friend John Mooney. :^o
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I hope it's Laughing Gravity.
Impossible - he is fighting the VT Hordes
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And as we all know, you can't post on here and there.
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And as we all know, you can't post on here and there.
Who made that rule up?
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Not me.
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Not me.
Liar
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Sorry, I forgot. Making things up is one of my many faults.
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Having the top button of your shirt done up whilst not wearing a tie is one of your faults.
Deny ever doing it and you will confirm the liar part \:D/
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Sorry, I forgot. Making things up is one of my many faults.
Did we win the European Cup once, or did Mr Page make it up in the intial editions of H&V?
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Did we win the European Cup once, or did Mr Page make it up in the intial editions of H&V?
He made it up, then we sold it. Making money is apparently another of my many faults.
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Did we win the European Cup once, or did Mr Page make it up in the intial editions of H&V?
He made it up, then we sold it. Making money is apparently another of my many faults.
And there are a lot of them
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Did we win the European Cup once, or did Mr Page make it up in the intial editions of H&V?
He made it up, then we sold it. Making money is apparently another of my many faults.
Yep...some editors dont make money out of Villa fans.
Funny thing is, they will then slag off the chairman for missing oppotunities to maximise marketing revenues.
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Did we win the European Cup once, or did Mr Page make it up in the intial editions of H&V?
He made it up, then we sold it. Making money is apparently another of my many faults.
Yep...some editors dont make money out of Villa fans.
Funny thing is, they will then slag off the chairman for missing oppotunities to maximise marketing revenues.
Who are these Editors, are they like Mel Brookes' Producers?
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Joy Division clones.
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Will love tear them apart?
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Will love tear them apart?
They are incapable of love
I really am going to bed now
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As the countdown to the new millenium begins.
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Great to see you blow ins keeping this alive,not sure that Peter W is as deserving of your support ( infrequent as it is) he is not pulling his weight on this thread lately, seems to be a little distracted, maybe the heat has got to him. Anyway i'm worried about Villa.
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Peter is just waiting to take over. It's a long thoughful innings and I am sure that he will start to play more shots once the 2k mark has been passed.
I'm not worried about the Villa. Pissed off/frustrated more at the moment, as everytime I start looking up the table on who we can catch we lose and go back a few places. The next three weeks become crucial again, because we can either play well, be in the last 8 of the cup and a lot safer, or we could lose in the cup and lose a couple of league games and be back in the mire.
Every time we seem to be safe and looking good value, we blow it again. ](*,)
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Not so much worried about this season as next. Unless a buyer can be found that is prepared to invest a tidy sum I think we could be in trouble next year. This Neville guy seems to have one goal and that is to be chairmen of Aston Villa but seems to have little financial clout and is running around trying to find investors to make his dreams come true.
Ellis,I believe is too sick and tired to run the club properly.
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Robbo, where has this angst come from? I agree that maybe I've shirked my duties somewhat, but surely my previous record keeps me from criticism? And as JD said i know that I'll keep this ticking along before somebody else nicks the 200th post. Like you friggin' Johnnie-cum-latelies did to my century.
Still hurts.
Still really hurts.
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anyway I'll triumphantly do the hard work and take this to 134
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Don't know whether you've read the back posts Pete but there are moves to deny you the 2000, far from it for me to name names but a highjack is afoot. There are some nasty characters around Villa Park these days so watch your step.
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Yeah Robbo, I've seen whats afoot. If these glory hunters think they can steal my thunder for a second time then they've got trouble. You've seen riots across the world because of cartoons? Well they'll see this as further evidence of imerialism through tinternet. Denying those of us in the land of the pure our right to be successful. What is wrong with you lot. Can you not leave us in peace? Fucking Jihad on the lot of ya..
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Don't.
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Think.
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So.
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\:D/ VERY cruel Mr Woodhall - well done!
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Time i feel for a new topic...such as "fans worried over future of fans worried over villa future thread" I sense this topic beginning to slide from the heady heights of it's former glories. The last 5 pages have been something of a declining and falling roman empire tinterweb stylee. :-({|=
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What exactly is a "declining and falling roman empire tinterweb stylee" when it's at home?
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doing a passable impersonation of the decling and falling roman empire only in the world of the web...just a comparison of two once great states that became soft...this thread requires fresh impetus before the ides of march or there'll be hell to pay i can tell thee.
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I really can't believe that this is still going.
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this thread needs to be left to die peacefully.
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That's it people, move along, nothing to see here! O:)
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This thread is worse than Timewasters for people boosting
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Must admit after looking at future fixtures for the scum i am not feeling that worried about our immediate future, I can only see a maximum fifteen points for them, which puts them at about 34 for the season. I am worried about next season though.
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aaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
That's better.
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For all you daytime dandies who either snub this thread- in which case I guess you won't read this- or which its demise, then mind your own business. This is the thread us nightcrawlers have which we have taken over as our own. Kind of like the Americans and the middle East. You all get the chance to debate with each other and have the dynamic thrust of a power conversation amongst many. Or pissed pub science type chat. You know the type of thing, 'the way to solve our problem of overused tips is to blast althe rubbish in to space', or 'if Villa sell up we'll win the league maybe'. Anyway, I digress, this is the sanctuary, and we night nurses have colonised this thread for our usage. If you all want to discuss other things elsewhere then so be it. But me, Robbo, JD when he's around, Brisbane fella when he's in, chew the cud here. I beseech you,we are a minority, respect our rights. We want to stay here don't make us move again to other threads. We've only just got our homethread back. Thread self-determination for all Worried About Villas Futurists!
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I noticed how that Woodhall bloke was staying up til the early hours just to deprive you of the 2000 post. What miserable gits are we dealing with here that they are that small minded. They look in and then instead of keeping quiet have to have their fourpenny worth. If you don't like it keep out. All from a very warm and sunny Melbourne.
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Ah. All too true Robbo. All too true. I think its envy at the outbreak of sunshine in our brightly lit world that they cannot abide with. If this Woodhall character persists in this line of attack I will have to resort to name calling.
As for the Villa, Robbo, its got to the point I feel more worried if this takeover actually happens. I'd rather sit tight and wait for A N Other. Not that perturbed by them selling land as thats what we were trying to do with the old ASDA site. Also, in the summer its likely Angel will be moving on. I wouldn't be surprised to see Baros and Bouma go also. Add to that DJ DJ too. The team will still have its spine and if they continue to improve the way they have then Ridge will be a lot better next season, Cahill will be fit and ready, Davis will have had a full season behind him, if Moore ends up with 15 or so for the season he will be looking to get more next term also. The money we can get bo those players + Laursens write off money, then we can re-invets in players. So, if it doesn't go ahead we have enough assets to be able to still strngthen next season. In my eyes anyway.
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I suppose it's problematical whether Oleary is there or not. I just have a feeling that if we were positioned geographically different then we would have had several interested parties, what is it about my birthplace that puts off potential buyers? I still believe that we have tremendous possibilities as really there is no opposition to speak of. I support a team called Hawthorn in Aussie rules and they were a very poorly supported side until they had a brilliant run from the eighties to early ninetys. The young kids that follow them because of that period has grown into a membership of over 30.000. so it can be done. So you believe Baros will be on his way? as long as we get our money back I won't be too bothered.
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as has been mentioned before, if we were successful, we would attract the right players. Chairmen tend to be businessmen and Birmingham is becoming ripe for those wanting to invest due to its successful image change. Money is coming into the city, which is making the place aesthetically enticing as well. It was once said that if man U were to get things right off the pitch they would go into another stratosphere. And they have. Chelsea have just been fortunate. With us you get the same feeling, if we get it right off the pitch our potential is every bit as tangible as say an Arsenal, or a Liverpool. The London media tend to ignore us because our stock has declined to the extent that we are more of a Premiership expression than a meaningful counterpart. Ellis to blame for this? Well yes and no. Open up the purse strings a bit more yes, but at a time when we could have gone tits up a la Leedas/Forest/wednesday etc etc it was seen to be a litle bit more prudent. However, this wqas overdone and we stagnated, and have gone backwards. This isn't terminal though and can be turned around. I don't believe- as I think is clear- that we have the right manager to help us do that. Compare DOL to Sir Grahams first reign and you can see what the right manager and the wrong chairman can do.
New owners are welcome. Very welcome. But I don't think these people are right for us. Or the manager.
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... This is the thread us nightcrawlers have which we have taken over as our own. ...
Cliquey bunch of in-crowders. All I did was stop by for a stretch and a yawn.
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We'll take it over! Quick, get the flag!
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I noticed how that Woodhall bloke was staying up til the early hours just to deprive you of the 2000 post. What miserable gits are we dealing with here that they are that small minded. They look in and then instead of keeping quiet have to have their fourpenny worth. If you don't like it keep out. All from a very warm and sunny Melbourne.
The only reason that Woodhall bloke stays up, is that he is still counting the cash that he has made from us mere mortals. It's a full time job.
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We'll take it over! Quick, get the flag!
Unreal Tournament - quality game that.
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you
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see that
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I'm racing my post count to the magic 3000
=D> =D> =D> =D>
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Just like that!
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Magic!
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Can somebody summarize this bullshit for me please?
I stopped reading about a thousand pages ago.
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Can somebody summarize this bullshit for me please?
It's a padfesting, irritating, full of bollox thread.
Right how many posts before my big 3k?
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28. Methinks. Go for it Lee!
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28. Methinks. Go for it Lee!
There's another one :smt002
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Who are you guys,are you lost? This is a restricted area don'tcha know please find your way to the nearest exit. Bloody foreigners.
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Well it seems you have your own forum from now on. Which is a touch exclusionist. But the thread is ours!
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Haven't posted in here for at least 3 months! :-
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Well it seems you have your own forum from now on. Which is a touch exclusionist. But the thread is ours!
#-o My fault, was experimenting with something and left it on. #-o
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Well it seems you have your own forum from now on. Which is a touch exclusionist. But the thread is ours!
#-o My fault, was experimenting with something and left it on. #-o
Oh the mysterys of the board revealed, but for them to be once more hidden in the shadows.
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Who are you guys,are you lost? This is a restricted area don'tcha know please find your way to the nearest exit. Bloody foreigners.
Can I see a clique forming here?
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No Lee you can't, because you are probably now in bed, dreaming about Kelly. :smt002
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It appears that some don't want this thread to continue but they don't want to be excluded from it either.The sun is shining 27 degrees, sky is blue not a cloud to be seen, welcome to Melbourne.
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Do you ever wonder why you're hated, Robbo?
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No Lee you can't, because you are probably now in bed, dreaming about Kelly. :smt002
That's where you wrong - night shift - I never sleep - neen up all bleeding day also ](*,)
I dream of kelly all the time though, thinking of going to see the Doc!!
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G'day Dave I didn't realise we were that close to 3'000.
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I think you would definately be up all night Lee, if Kelly was with you. :-
Good to see you are still awake.
Good morning Robbo. Another sunny day in the South Pacific. It's not as warm here today but is still a nice 21c. It was 29c on Sunday and very hot for my run in the Port Hills. :smt028
Evening Dave, still with us?
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We may have greyness, dampness, pychopathic chavness, surly and resentful service and 10 traffic wardens per available parking space, but here in the land of rheumatism and bronchitis we can at least look forward to the total football experience which is David O'Leary's high-tempo, attacking Aston Villa.
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Adrenachrome, you are right. You have football and you have decent gigs, which are two things I miss terribly.
Still, this Sunday I am going to watch the All Whites play Malaysia in a Friendly International here in Christchurch (only $10 a ticket and $5 for the kids). Can't wait. :-
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Aussie rules start in two weeks and i expect my team (Hawthorn) will have a mediocre season owing, according to the coach, to having such a small squad. But they are an honest bunch.
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It's stopped raining.
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That's good to hear Dave.
Robbo, is Hawthorn the team that Eddie McGuire supports/part owns?
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No Lee you can't, because you are probably now in bed, dreaming about Kelly. :smt002
That's where you wrong - night shift - I never sleep - neen up all bleeding day also ](*,)
I dream of kelly all the time though, thinking of going to see the Doc!!
It will be the the hospital, if you don't bloody stop! =;
Thanks for the flowers, btw, I gave them to her indoors.
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That's good to hear Dave.
Robbo, is Hawthorn the team that Eddie McGuire supports/part owns?
No no no that is the scumbag filth called Collingwood. They are one of the teams that would dominate if there were no salary cap. He doesn't part own them he's their president. There are no P.L.Cs in Aussie rules.
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Got that totally wrong then.
What do you think of the idea of a salary cap? It seems to work quite well in the NRL with all teams having a chance of winning each year, if they get their act together. Oh, apart from the Warriors of course. ](*,)
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It's stopped raining.
Played football in Ghent, do they still eat a lot of horse over there?
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I think you would definately be up all night Lee, if Kelly was with you. :-
Good to see you are still awake.
Too bloody right - and not good when doing a 12 hour stint on Monday night - 3 hours kip Tuesday day and then another 12 shift tonight.
Going to be a stock car rally for me on the M6 in the morning
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No Lee you can't, because you are probably now in bed, dreaming about Kelly. :smt002
That's where you wrong - night shift - I never sleep - neen up all bleeding day also ](*,)
I dream of kelly all the time though, thinking of going to see the Doc!!
It will be the the hospital, if you don't bloody stop! =;
Thanks for the flowers, btw, I gave them to her indoors.
Pleasure sweetheart [-o<
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It's stopped raining.
Played football in Ghent, do they still eat a lot of horse over there?
Is Ghent the new Tipton?
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That's tough going Lee. You be careful out there on the roads.
My brother did two 12 hour shifts back to back a few years ago (he's an engineer), with about two hours sleep and on the way home from the second one he fell asleep at the wheel and crashed into a lamp post. :shock: Luckily he was ok and only got a few scrathes and bruises.
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We have many deaths in Oz through falling asleep at the wheel because of the long distances. Two weeks ago a couple with two kids were on their way to Queensland when she went across the straight road in front of a semi. Every week kids are slamming their cars into trees and power poles.
I do miss the local bus service ah for the 52.
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I think the majority of fatal car crashes in New Zealand are due to excessive speed. The long straight open country roads, with only sheep for company. I once drove for about fifteen minutes on State Highway One (the main road in NZ), without seeing another car. It wasn't even during the night either, it was earlish (6am) in the morning.
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Morning all from a warming up Islamabad. No, I don't mind the fires in the streets due to a few excitable locals. The funny thing is that they are burning and stoning anything. Not just foreign buildings. Yesterday they attacked 4 cars outside the Egyptian Embassy at the Dip Enclave here. Smashed windows at the local bank. Threw stones at the Indian High Commission, and then decided to march up to the British high Commission. Where they got turned back. They wanted to march on the Danish Embassy, but didn't realise it was anywhere near here. Bright bunch.
Anyway, have all the interlopers left so that we can chat in peace?
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G'day Pete had a bit of trouble from the usual suspects a while ago but it seems they've all gone to bye byes. I dare you to hang out the window and shout Bin Ladens a prick, and havn't you blokes got a sense of humour. You may not wish to reply to this as they may be tracking your e-mails. Nice and peaceful here in Melbourne.
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G'day Pete had a bit of trouble from the usual suspects a while ago but it seems they've all gone to bye byes. I dare you to hang out the window and shout Bin Ladens a prick, and havn't you blokes got a sense of humour. You may not wish to reply to this as they may be tracking your e-mails. Nice and peaceful here in Melbourne.
I'm still here :-$
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G'day Pete had a bit of trouble from the usual suspects a while ago but it seems they've all gone to bye byes. I dare you to hang out the window and shout Bin Ladens a prick, and havn't you blokes got a sense of humour. You may not wish to reply to this as they may be tracking your e-mails. Nice and peaceful here in Melbourne.
I'm still here :-$
Have you signed the visitors book Lee? What work is it that keeps you up til this hour? If you want I can nominate you and see if Pete lets you in, but he is on the fussy side. He may ask you questions like what do you think of Oleary, be careful it may be a trick question. Or he may ask you what is you opinion of Chris Smith, this is not a trick question. Good luck and if it's insomnia you've got, been there and I have the cure.
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Morning Robbo. I was thinking of wearing a turban with a pretend bomb in it. Not sure if they'll see the funny side though..
Lee, sorry son, a few questions....
1. DOL, good manager or not?
2. Luke Moore, Darren Byfield or not?
3. JPA, Baros ina couple of seasons or not?
4. This thread, gloruious in its relevance, or not?
5. Chris Smith, or not?
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It's stopped raining.
It's quite bright outside but they promise heavy showers later.
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Quite bright i assume means that the clouds are not as black as usual. Sorry to be smug. No i'm not.
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Love to be able to be smug with you Robbo, weatherwise, but I can't see too many people sitting down thinking 'Ahhhh, you lucky sod, Islamabad'.
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It's very disconcerting being down there time to move up.
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Disconcerting where?
ANyway I was thinking we could do this thread up. What do you think. A nice framed picture? Pine furniture? Couple of plants about the place. Terracotta coluoring. No Villa stuff though. It makes me worried.
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It's cold in here.
Someone should print this with that old very thin printer paper that has holes in the sides and every sheet is attached to one other and put that printer on top whatever the Shit's stadium is called and let it shout. It should be HUGE and loud dot-matrix printer.
That'd show them \:D/
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There should also be one H&Ver all the time writing for more with this beauty
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Ahhhh. Looks like the teleprinter that used to print out the scores on Grandstand. Slower than the digital version, but knew how to hold the suspense....
A s t o n V i l l a 1 T o t t e n h a m H o t s p u r s * and then it would ponder on a blinking dot. Just waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Did we hold out? Did they equalise? Did they go on to win and score two late goals? Od happy days.
I also loved the way to avoid confusion they'd write out the score in words after a particularly heavy beating.. L i n c o l n C i t y 9 (nine) B o u r n e m o u t h 0. After the '0' they should have written something scathing. Like 'Ha!' or, 'You're rubbish'.
These fellas would work nowadays
Birminham City 0 ( \:D/ ) Aston Villa 1 ( :smt005 :smt041 :smt067 :smt056 :smt098 :smt082
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Disconcerting where?
ANyway I was thinking we could do this thread up. What do you think. A nice framed picture? Pine furniture? Couple of plants about the place. Terracotta coluoring. No Villa stuff though. It makes me worried.
Well young buddy we were three quarters down the page when I logged on this morning and in danger of slipping into oblivion, definate attempt I believe to new thread us OUT OF EXISTENCE.
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Ah, I see. Well whilst we are here to keep pondering the why's and wherefors of Villa's problems. And the weather, teleprinters, and the like then this baby will keep rolling. Just because the daytime dandies feel they can come in here and mess around, or even ignore us, we'll have the true spirit of adventure and discuss here at will.
You staying up -or should that be getting up- to watch the man City game Robbo. Is it on over there? 11.30 pm k/o here so I'll be able to catch it on ESPN.
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Ah, I see. Well whilst we are here to keep pondering the why's and wherefors of Villa's problems. And the weather, teleprinters, and the like then this baby will keep rolling. Just because the daytime dandies feel they can come in here and mess around, or even ignore us, we'll have the true spirit of adventure and discuss here at will.
You staying up -or should that be getting up- to watch the man City game Robbo. Is it on over there? 11.30 pm k/o here so I'll be able to catch it on ESPN.
Well arn't you the lucky one we are being treated on espn to a real nail biting edge of your seat thriller Chelsea v Colchester. I don't believe I will make myself available.
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You never know. Remember Leeds at the atart of the seventies? And us at the end of the 70's in the League Cup. Can't remember if we won or lost now but it was 9-8 on pens. I think.
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You never know. Remember Leeds at the atart of the seventies? And us at the end of the 70's in the League Cup. Can't remember if we won or lost now but it was 9-8 on pens. I think.
We won Peter. I was just reading about it last night in Dave Woodhalls book!
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I used to be soo happy as a youngster that Villa never lost to the underdogs in Cup competitions. In the 90's that changed with Grimsby. Now? Well I'm happy with 0 against Doncaster.
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I used to laugh at mates who support Everton/Newcastle etc for their Cup exploits against lower league teams (Wrexham/Hereford etc).
Now I just have to take it on the chin, especially after Doncaster. I got an email from a friend who supports Everton and all it said was "Oh Dear" and a smiley. #-o
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Must be a scouse team supporting trait. A Liverpool mate of mine also texted me with'oh dear' three times. Oh the wit.
On other things its alla bit quiet on the football front just now, isn't it?
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Appart from some good natured banter from a couple of West Ham supporters at the golf club I have absolutely no one to irritate me. Isolation has its rewards.
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I'm getting more patronising, 'Good result for Villa, Pete' , or 'Oooh, you were unlucky against Newcastle, Pete' , than ever before. My mates can't be arsed to even take the piss out of us anymore. That hurts.
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I Think I'll put all of our emoticons on here, for no apparent reason.
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Thank -you Mr F. Us Worried folk need the odd bit of entertainment. I'd rather like to think that tou posted each one individually to guide us through or Villa woes. A sign of brotherhood and compassion. Rather than just cut and paste. I'm right aren't I? Tell me I'm right, Mark. Tell me I'm right.
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Still no Wanker emoticon
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Still no Wanker emoticon
Au contraie Lee
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I still don't know how to get that image in the emoticons though.
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Still no Wanker emoticon
Au contraie Lee
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I still don't know how to get that image in the emoticons though.
If it's on your desktop - how are we going to see it :-k
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Still no Wanker emoticon
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Still no Wanker emoticon
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Morning, all! How are things?
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it's all fine. Mornings to you all!
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What...the...fcuk? :shock:
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Right, let's put the night thread back up to the top.
Worried about Villa's future. The way it is going there will not be a future, because there won't be any fans left. ](*,)
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After that performance JD i expect this thread to be well used over the next few days. The whole atmosphere surrounding Villa Park stinks of decay from the chaiman down.
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I wonder what the reaction would have been if we had not conceded the late goal?
All throughout the match thread, it was obvious that Villa were rubbish. Maybe the equaliser did us a favour, because if we had have won it would certainly have been a case of papering 'over the cracks'. At least with a draw the players have a chance to redeem themselves.
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Too true but you can only do running repairs for a short time before a major overhaul is needed.
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I wonder what the reaction would have been if we had not conceded the late goal?
All throughout the match thread, it was obvious that Villa were rubbish. Maybe the equaliser did us a favour, because if we had have won it would certainly have been a case of papering 'over the cracks'. At least with a draw the players have a chance to redeem themselves.
We were awful throughout. Lucky to scrape a draw. A win would have been embarrassing on balance of play.
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I wouldn't have been embarrassed. I would have loved every m,inute of it. Nothing like scraping a win in adversity!
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Point taken, but on balance of play we were definitely second best.
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Point taken, but on balance of play we were definitely second best.
I think with we were struggling to finish as high as second in this two way battle.
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To be honest we played this badly against Everton when we won 4-0 for a large chunk of the game. the difference being Man City had a higher tempo( see what happens when you have pace in the team DOL?) a team who looked hungrier, and a team with belief. We had none. The 2nd goal v Everton took the wind out of their sails and the final score didn't reflect how poor we had been.
Your right there is not a good feeling about the place at the moment and its been like this all season. Is it the takeover dragging on? Is it Ellis? Is it DOL? Is it the players?
The players have shown every now and then there is a team there. But not consistently. Is it them or the manager/management/coaching staff? Man City played higher up the pitch than we did but we couldn't counteract it. They seemed to constantly isolate Vassell against one defender. We couldn't counteract it. Hughes has seemingly forgot how to play the offside trap, do we not wotrk at this tirelessly in training?
DOL and Ellis? What ios the relationship? Surely the chairman can see what we can, but I don't think his torpor will become any more excitable whilst he knows he's selling up.
So what's next? We sit around waiting for something to happen? We just play a waiting game whilst we have a bored looking chairman, a poor manager, average team, and dwindling support?
Am I worried about Villa? Abso-fucking-lutley.
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No-one else worried anymore? Has apathy won without a fight? Think for a minute! Stop for a minute.
Something is going on...changes taking place...children smilng in the Trinity enclosure have gone without a trace. The terraces use to be full...they used to make me smile...and now it seems that everyone could sit in single file...and many bow their heads in shame....that used to hold them high...and those that revered goings on at the Villa...have turned to just hating the dwellers of The Sty...think for a minute...
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I'm worried Peter. To be honest I will be glad when this season is over, so far it has made me moody and miserable. This was after the early optimism I had, with the new signings.
Unless something drastic happens in the Summer, I for one will not be looking forward to next season at all. At the moment we look like a Club on the slide.
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I think there should be a ban on singing about the unwashed until we've got our own house in order. I would prefer a day of amusing anti DOL songs to fill the afternoon.
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When I used to regularly go to see the Villa, home and away, we hardly ever mentioned the unmentionables, but now that's all you hear.
It would be nice to hear the crowd in full roar, being pro-Villa, rather than anti-unwashed.
Unfortunately, I can't see this happening while we still have the current regime of Chairman & Manager in place. Shame really. ](*,)
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The writing was on the wall at the very first game V bolton 2-2 after 10 minutes, then on the bacak foot for the next 80. Sign new players before the transfer window closed. then get stuffed 4-0 the very next game. 8-3 win at Wycombe and the manager criticises fans for being 'fickle' for criticising the eam when 3-1 down at half time. Out played at Doncaster and easily beaten 3-0. Too often are their excuses. Never accountability.
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If you think 17,000 is dragging on....
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Whoa [-X there. You raised this from the dead dave so hush. I seem to be the only worried one which is a worry. I'm off on hols today for a week and a bit and I doubt there'll be in life by the time I get back. Its sad but its true. Sniff.
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Dear God, this thread slipped to the second page. We can't have that. In Peter's absence we have to keep the fight going.
Anything actually happening with our future, or are we just continuing to slowly slide into obscurity? ](*,)
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If you think 17,000 is dragging on....
This is getting fucking boring or should be on another thread.
The only chance of sorting this is reincarnation for some people. The walk from Hull Station to the ground via 3 pubs has fucked my knees up. I will never play again in this lifetime.
By the way, the pubs are friendlier than 30 years ago.
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Well I'm not worried over my Villa future.
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Jeez Pete if JD doesn't log on I will be talking to myself for a week. Okay I do that already, so what, doesn't everyone.
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Crap shit
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Crap shit
Yeah, I know what you're saying man, crap shit man, yeah.
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Never fear Robbo, I'm not going anywhere. Haven't had much time today, what with a 30km training time trial and then having to front up at the Football Club I coach at for players registration. :smt002
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As we start to look forward to another week....
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As we start to look forward to another week....
We shyte our pants thinking what a poor run of results wil do to us.
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Home games to come against Portsmouth, Fulham, Stripeyfilth, BlueNoseScum, Sunderland and Man Citeh.
You would think looking at those fixtures that if we have any type of home form we would probably pick up 18 points. That would give us 49 points. We could also pick up a few points away from home and end up with around 55 points. \:D/
Now, back in the real world. ](*,) #-o
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JD I love your outlook.....
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Confidence is a wonderful thing and if we can beat Portsmouth I think we are safe but should we lose anything can happen. How bad are we though that we could even consider being beat by them. I am very worried about next season, can we keep this thread going til then?
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Quite easily!
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Confidence is a wonderful thingquote]
Agreed but why did we lose at home to Barcodes after the convincing win at Boro?!!
Frustrating or what ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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Very frustrating EffDee. Just when you think things are looking up, the team kicks us in the guts this season. On a good day we have looked a match for most teams, but on a bad day we are truly dreadful. ](*,)
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I have it on good authority that free sedatives will be availeable at Villa Park on Saturday one for each half and an extra one if we are one nil up with five minutes to go.
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For us or the players?
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Surely they must be for us, God can you imagine some of our players on sedatives!!!!! They would just lope around the pitch, looking like they didn't have a clue, slow to the ball and stand like statues on set pieces.....
Oh.. actually that really is that hard to imagine is it. May'be our "small honest" squad have be nobbled, their drinks must have been spiked just like those poor innocent Chelsea chaps Bosnich and Mutu!!!!
Anyone who has watch O'Dreary's statue impression on the sideline's in recent weeks would have thought he has been on a fairly strong sedative already.
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I know it's the perverse sense of black humour i've got but I've just imagined the carnage on this site should we lose. World war 3 will break out and Mr Smith and Drummond and one or two others will be barricading themselves against the onslaught. Fletch will be after blood and carnage everywhere to be seen. Much rather we win though.
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What will the forum be like if we take the drop ? It dont bear thinking about does it ?
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What will the forum be like if we take the drop ? It dont bear thinking about does it ?
Same as it ever was, full of whingers and sheep.
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and people patting themselves on the back for predicting it.
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And people whinging about the whingers, and patting themselves on the back for predicting the whinging.
The Dull Apologistas and the Doloutistas: like the shark and those little fish that eat all the shite between the shark's teeth. Neither like or trust the other, but without the existence of the either, life would be intolerable!
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Are you saying you don't like me? :( :smt002
I knew you were going to say that by the way.
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Oi, this is the night crew thread. Take your pro and anti DO'L arguments elsewhere, otherwise we will come round and attack you all while you are asleep. :smt027 :smt021
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What will the forum be like if we take the drop ? It dont bear thinking about does it ?
Same as it ever was, full of whingers and sheep.
Would you explain that please ? If you care to name names then do so or are we all moaning sheep ?
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We all moan and we all have something to moan about.
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baaaahhhhh!
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I'm as happy as I can be with events at Villa. O:)
We have an ambitious Chairman who is prepared to use his own money to invest in the team. He has the foresight to move us up into the upper echelons of football and I can't wait for the games against Madrid, Barcelona, Milan, Juve etc.
We have a wonderful Manager, who always buys great players and always talks the team up at every opportunity. He loves the Club and this shows in every interview he undertakes. We are taking the league by storm this year and other teams quake in their boots at the thought of playing us.
Our team have a never say die attitude, are ruthless and play with such amazing skill levels that I gaze in awe at their ability. It really does bring a tear to me eyes at times.
Or maybe not. ](*,)
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I dont know what you have been drinking but will you save me some please :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k
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I'm as happy as I can be with events at Villa. O:)
We have an ambitious Chairman who is prepared to use his own money to invest in the team. He has the foresight to move us up into the upper echelons of football and I can't wait for the games against Madrid, Barcelona, Milan, Juve etc.
We have a wonderful Manager, who always buys great players and always talks the team up at every opportunity. He loves the Club and this shows in every interview he undertakes. We are taking the league by storm this year and other teams quake in their boots at the thought of playing us.
Our team have a never say die attitude, are ruthless and play with such amazing skill levels that I gaze in awe at their ability. It really does bring a tear to me eyes at times.
Or maybe not. ](*,)
... you forgot the high tempo game bit! Baaaahhhh...!
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Thanks achilles, I forgot the high tempo football. What with everything else being so great, it just got missed as a normal part of the package. :-
Funny thing is, I used to look forward to games at home against teams like Portsmouth, thinking 'this will be good for our goal difference'. Now that cockiness has gone and I would be happy with a scrappy 1-0. Oh, how I long for the good times again. =D> [-o<
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It aint gonna die unless its murdered. [-X
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It aint gonna die unless its murdered. [-X
Seeing as we're all but safe for this season i've suggested carrying it through to the start of next season as i'm very very worried about it already.
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I'll be worried if that frig face DOL is still in charge.
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I'll be worried if that frig face DOL is still in charge.
Even with a new manager it will be tough with little money to spend.
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Hasn't been a problem at Wigan this season though has it? Enough money has been spent on the side this season too suggest that if we give more to O Leary he'll waste it. He could buy decent/great players but under his guidance they'd undoubtedly become one paced lump-it merchants who wouldn't have a cluesing the ball to a player in a claret and blue shirt.
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Hasn't been a problem at Wigan this season though has it? Enough money has been spent on the side this season too suggest that if we give more to O Leary he'll waste it. He could buy decent/great players but under his guidance they'd undoubtedly become one paced lump-it merchants who wouldn't have a cluesing the ball to a player in a claret and blue shirt.
Was talking about Wigan at the weekend, interesting to see how they go next year as I believe they will get a rude awakening.
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Hasn't been a problem at Wigan this season though has it? Enough money has been spent on the side this season too suggest that if we give more to O Leary he'll waste it. He could buy decent/great players but under his guidance they'd undoubtedly become one paced lump-it merchants who wouldn't have a cluesing the ball to a player in a claret and blue shirt.
Was talking about Wigan at the weekend, interesting to see how they go next year as I believe they will get a rude awakening.
From what I've seen of Wigan, they shouldn't have too many problems next season as their game is not one dimensional, they can certainly pass the ball around, show great movement on and off the ball, the only doubt I have is how the new players they bring in during the summer will adapt to the club. Wigan play the type of football we were promised by O'Leary and with on paper an inferior squad, so it's not rocket science to understand why they are where they are and we're looking over our shoulders, although I'm sure some apologist will try to justify the great void.
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Hasn't been a problem at Wigan this season though has it? Enough money has been spent on the side this season too suggest that if we give more to O Leary he'll waste it. He could buy decent/great players but under his guidance they'd undoubtedly become one paced lump-it merchants who wouldn't have a cluesing the ball to a player in a claret and blue shirt.
Was talking about Wigan at the weekend, interesting to see how they go next year as I believe they will get a rude awakening.
From what I've seen of Wigan, they shouldn't have too many problems next season as their game is not one dimensional, they can certainly pass the ball around, show great movement on and off the ball, the only doubt I have is how the new players they bring in during the summer will adapt to the club. Wigan play the type of football we were promised by O'Leary and with on paper an inferior squad, so it's not rocket science to understand why they are where they are and we're looking over our shoulders, although I'm sure some apologist will try to justify the great void.
I think they've got cause for concern, they have only won twice in the league this year. I think they've been sussed out and will not have the surprise factor next season. Like West Ham they've been fortunate not to pick up many injuries, it's unlikely they'll be so fortunate again and for all that they are only 6 points above us.
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I too think they have cause for concern. It's all well and good when you're attacking style brings about the good results, but when it doesn't as the case in the League cup final has shown, they don't have the nous to defend like a team of premiership stature should when they should. A few injuries to key players and trying to bed in new players to move the team forward may well mean they go backwards, just like the Blues.
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Wigan had trouble signing players at the beginning of the season, despite having money, as everyone thought they were dead certs for relegation. I think that with Dave Whelans backing they will sign some decent players in the off-season.
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Quite honestly it just goes to show the fine line between success (i.e. the top half of the table excluding the top four) and failure (i.e. the bottom eight sides)!
What would our season have been with a fit Laursen and Mellberg... I am certain we would be looking at an Europen place at least!
Oh well, we can all dream! O:)
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Will we ever see Laursen or Berger in a Villa shirt again?
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Will we ever see Laursen or Berger in a Villa shirt again?
Laursen, unfortunately no, Berger unfortunately yes (but only in ten minute spells, he is not injury free for any longer)! ](*,)
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Going back to Wigan their problem will be the same that caught out Ipswich. They had a great first season, an unfancied forward who scored lots of goals in Marcus Stewart, and a manager everyone was raving about. They even ended up in Europe. The problems are many fold. The first one, and it is a big one, is expectation. The fans, the board, will expect the same and more from the team. This will bring the first test of Jewell, how to deal with fans/team of high flyers. He will have increased spending and will be tested for the first time with regards to who to buy. He will need better players for Wigan to even stand still, how will he assimilate them into the team. Bigger and better players expect bigger and better roles. Work horses-who have performed brilliantly this season- will not be sufficient forever.
The point about injuries and suspensions is also valid. Wigan have byenlarge avoided them-as did we when we pushed on into 6th a couple of seasons ago. Finally, if they have a bad start the players will not be used to struggling. Neither will the fans. neither will the manager or the board. If money has been pumped into the club to move them on, then the pressure willl grow on Jewell if things go wrong. Its all been rosy so far, but when the pressues change then the person who is in the firing line is the manager.
Whelan seems a different chairman, but if Wigan are in Europe, struggling in the league, the fans becoming disgruntled, what are the odds on him looking for a manager with lots of Prem experience?
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Teams new to the premiership have a sort of honeymoon period as many of their players are an unknown quantity it is when opposition coaches pay attention to the particular strengths and weaknesses of these players that their troubles will start. I think that happened with Wigan over the xmas period and their results have fallen away as a result. I do not believe they have the name to attract the better players as most will be expecting them to have a short premiership life.
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Not sure whether not having the 'name' too attract players is that important Robbo. Money-and Europe-is. Bolton? Middlesbough. Plus they will be able to pay half decent wages. Which is another problem. If they got players in on 20 maybe 30 000 a week, how would the other players fit in with them. ie would they resent the 'fancy-dans' coming in.
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Good points Peter & Robbo. It will certainly be interesting to see how Wigan approach next season and to see what type of players they look to sign.
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and for all that they are only 6 points above us.
We're only six points behind Wigan. I bet we'd have all settled for that at the start of the season, eh?
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I wonder if Paul Jewell has contacted DO'L yet to let him know that Wigan have reached 40 points and that he hopes that Villa do too? :-
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It will be interesting to see how they end the season now. Depending on the fixtures they've got left. It will be a good bet that they'll do us. A hard working, battling team always seems tod o for Villa. As for Dave's point about being 6 points behind, obviously at the start of the season we wouldn't have accepted that. But there again if we were told that we were going to be behind them we would have thought we'd be bottom. Not 6th or so from the drop. And shite.
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I think we have been sat on, it's a disgrace to see this thread in it's present position, typical of this club, apathetic. Pete it's your responsibility, get a grip.
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I'll do my best with what little I have to work with.
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We tried to keep this thread going, with our small squad of honest lads, but Peter wouldn't give us any transfer funds to bring in new recruits.
The thread is heading for lower mid table and something needs to be done.
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Frankly this thread has been subject to massive over expectation, if you see this thread in it's proper context as a Charlton Athletic of the genre then it has been a relatively succesful thread (honest thread, Small thread repeat ad infinitum Blah, Blah, Blah, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).
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You're all talking bollocks.
I've been reading this thread since the days when it was up there with "O'Leary's post-match comments", "Who will we buy this summer" and the "Does Britney take it up the jacksie?" poll.
It was a match for the best then and there is no reason why it shouldn't be now.
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You're all talking bollocks.
I've been reading this thread since the days when it was up there with "O'Leary's post-match comments", "Who will we buy this summer" and the "Does Britney take it up the jacksie?" poll.
It was a match for the best then and there is no reason why it shouldn't be now.
Didn't see the result of that poll what was the concensus?
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It's come too far to slip off the front page now.
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I'm still worried about the future of our Club. If we have a close season where nothing happens, either with new decent players coming in, or with a takeover, then I fear the worst for next year. 8-[
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Its all well and good getting behind the thread when its going well. But when things are not I don't expect a fickle few to constantly have a go. And its the same group of people. I came on here determined to prove that I'm not just a North Birmingham clique follower and I could get this thread to where it belongs. I am doing a good job with what I have. Frankly, without me this thread would be rudderless.
When I was at VillaTalk I had an honest bunch of lads around me doing an honest job. We all pulled together and I remember pitting my wits against Villa forever, John Cresswell, ian robo and the like. great great posters. I miss those days and the thrill and excitement of being there. I brought some great kids through in those days. Some, like Risso, I've brought with me and developed him into a great poster.
I'm happy for the moderators though, with the way this thread has been going. Seeing them all smiley whiley when beating Laughing Stock earlier in the tread made it wothwhile. The stick they had been taking by some of these posters is just plain stupid.I haven't got the time of day for them. the haven't had a good thread since 2003 or something so why they should expect one now is stupid.
I think posters on here have to respect that we are now longer the website we were. I've had posters talking about great threads from 2000/01 or something. Like that's important now. They should lower their sites a bit and realising we're competing with threads with 12 replies. This thread may have history, but thats all ancient stuff. Its the now that matters.
Believe in me. I am the only person that can keep you going. Keep this thread alive. I am, like your God. Only I could do that job better with an honest bunch of angels.
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So there is a god in Islamabad.
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Yeah. I think he's called Alan, or something.
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Yeah. I think he's called Alan, or something.
I hope you appreciate that i'm staying up beyond my usual bedtime to keep you and this thread company.
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Very much appreciated Robbo. Sadly, I'm soon to disappear until tomorrow.
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Very much appreciated Robbo. Sadly, I'm soon to disappear until tomorrow.
So it's good night from him.
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All hail the return of our false idol Alan. 8-[
Good to see you back Peter. But seriously, do you still think we will be relegated? :-
Ok, I'll get me coat.
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I'm not confident just yet, that we aren't out of the woods. However, I'm not as convinced as I once was.....
I'll keep praying to Alan and by the grace of Cod we'll be sailing in calmer waters.
I do think we have to win 2/3 from 5,which I said before Portsmouth. Won 1 lost 1. So we need a win from the next 3 games before I can start to relax a little.
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I agree Peter. I won't be sleeping beeter until we have at least two more wins this season.
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I agree Peter. I won't be sleeping beeter until we have at least two more wins this season.
Seems to me Oleary is talking himself up as doing a good job saving us from the drop.
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It worries me that some people have bought into his mantra. That he wants us to be safe, and thats the sum total of our season. Its so sad that aclub such as Aston Villa, with decent investment in the transfer marketlast summer, should be squabbling over the ills or not of this buffoon.
The media-ie those not biased- have outed this moron as an idiot who passes the buck. We still have to wait until the powers that be draw this period to a close.
Do I blame Ellis? Well to a point. If there is a takeover happening, then the sacking of the manager isn't going to happen. Which leaves us in limbo. I was an O Leary supporter up until October. Then the penny finally dropped. Its been sinking ever since and its now starting to rust. Just like Villa with him in charge.
I'm not angry anymore, as its obvious that manger/chairman aree not going to change for a while. Please let them both be gone in the summer, and we have renewed hope, ambition, expectancy, professionalism, zest, and passion. Every week with this lot we lose just a little bit more.
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I want three things to happen before August.
Firstly, to avoid relegation. We are not yet safe, despite what many are saying.
Secondly, to have a takeover that actually happens and Doug gone.
Finally, the new regime to realise that we need a new manager, to bring fresh optimism to the Club.
It's not too much to ask for is it? [-o<
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Just thought. Why don't we offer Drummond and Chris Smith asylum? They can stay in here out of reach of the rest of the buggers? Sadly, they'll be alone for the daylight hours and may ruin this once beautiful place. Huddling together speaking their language that we don't understand.
By the time we'll try and remove them back to their thread of origine they'll have disappeared into the system.
Hmmm? What do you reckon fellow Worriers?
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They would have to set the alarm.
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Hmmm good point. If we grant the asylum though they'd have to take an oath of alliegance, or some sort of thread loyalty test. Then they'd have to abide by our laws. We're only a small thread with a big history and have had no trouble here since those dark days way way back. If they didn't contribute to our society we could deport them as free loaders.
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No just send them to Oz people disappear without trace over here.
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Pretty soon were going to have more moderators than posters.
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Not here though Robbo. Just you, me, and JD. Well only until we get close to 150 and 200 though. Then all the glory hunters will be coming out of the woodwork claiming that this is their favourit thread and that they've been contributing to it every day. We're the hardcore though mate. We'll keep it real.
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I occasionally drop by to say hello!
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Hello Legion, welcome to our overseas thread.
Robbo, I was only joking on the other thread, most NZers I know like strange shaped balls and sheep. I try and steer well clear.
Is it any wonder the women over here want to marry someone from overseas. O:) \:D/
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Hi. I might be joining you soon. Turned 35 today and realised that I need to sort my life out. Big style. Australia beckons for a new start.
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Flying out to NYC in morning, may join you guys tomorrow !! :lol:
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Hey Legion, Happy Birthday. Going to Australia? What offence have you committed then? O:)
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Hey Legion, Happy Birthday. Going to Australia? What offence have you committed then? O:)
It will be the best move he's ever made, mind you we had family to come over to which makes a big difference. Melbourne the most liveable city in the world and it happens to be true. Not recommended for anyone that doesn't like sport though.
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I've heard it's a nice place Robbo, people here at work rate it.
You never know your bad luck, I might pop over in the next couple of years and buy you a beer or five. O:)
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I've heard it's a nice place Robbo, people here at work rate it.
You never know your bad luck, I might pop over in the next couple of years and buy you a beer or five. O:)
Look forward to it.
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Hey Legion, Happy Birthday. Going to Australia? What offence have you committed then? O:)
Thanks! I've 'seen the light'. Not in a religious sense, but the way England is going down the shitters. Somewhere near Adelaide would do nicely. Charles Sturt and all that....
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Hi. I might be joining you soon. Turned 35 today and realised that I need to sort my life out. Big style. Australia beckons for a new start.
Midlife criiiiissssiissssssss!
Know what you mean though.
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Hey Legion, Happy Birthday. Going to Australia? What offence have you committed then? O:)
Thanks! I've 'seen the light'. Not in a religious sense, but the way England is going down the shitters. Somewhere near Adelaide would do nicely. Charles Sturt and all that....
I take it your very religeous, because that's the only reason one would choose to live in Adelaide,city of churches and it has as much life about it as Charles Sturt does. Do some further research.
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I'm a cross between atheist and agnostic depending upon my mood at the time.
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Midlife criiiiissssiissssssss!
Know what you mean though.
Ah bollox risso! He's only 35, I'm hitting the big 4 oh in a fortnight.
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Well, is everyone happy or are they still worried about Villa's future?
Another weekend over, another crap result and with Fulham actually winning, it is starting to get too uncomfortable near the bottom of the table. ](*,)
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Worried. Very worried....
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It is interesting to read posts from those that would take direct action i.e banners, protests as against supporters that believe Ellis is the real demon so getting rid of Oleary is not the answer. I think every potential bidder would be standing bye to either see Ellis die or the club fall into even more disaray, i think Ellis wants to sell, needs to sell but no offers are coming in. We are in deep shit. Everyone still condident about the Fulham game? There would be some amongst us (i'm not one) that would wish for a loss if it led to Olearys immediate dismissal.
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Bloody hell I'm away for a few days and its a veritable love in. :-k Anyhow, belated happy birthday Leggy. And BE happy forthcoming birthday. I do worry about the Fulham game because they have pace. Bags of pace. We struggle against teams that are either physical up front, or have pace to exploit our lack of it. That's why I can only see a defeat next week. If the shit ad the a lbion get anything out of next weeks- not sure who they're playing- then it really is squeaky bum time. Also, Portsmouth look like they could get on a run. We need to win next week. It really has become the biggest game of the season. One team always plummets. It will be us if we don't beat Fulham I fear. Do you really trust this lot? They start looking over their shoulders and getting nervous then we really are doomed. O Leary won't be sacked, he'll be lynched.
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O Leary won't be sacked, he'll be lynched.
Oh please let this be true!!!
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Albion, The Dogsh*t and Pompey all have very tough games next week against Spurs, Manure & The Arse and I can't see any of them picking up points. I honestly believe that if we beat Fulham we will be safe. We should put all of our efforts into this game.
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I agree JD.
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Thanks OIT. :oops:
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Do we have any news on injuries? it is a watershed game, if Villa lose Oleary will be sacked almost immediately, if we win it will make us safe and he will stay until the end of the season, to me it's almost a win win situation.
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Robbo, I've heard that DO'L is training them this week and I believe that the whole team has gone down with apathy and indifference, due to having to think about going to training and they may be able to play Saturday, but will only be able to babble bullsh*t.
Apart from young Milner, who is too tired to play this weekend because he was up until 8.30pm playing on his Playstation last night. :-
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O Leary's training them? Bloody hell hasn't that been part of the problem all season? What are the injury details? Anybody have an indication on who may be back for next week?
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Morning Peter. I have heard no news about the injuries/illnesses etc yet. All is very quiet at Villa Park, apart from DO'L claiming that the Academy get to much credit for bringing on new players. ](*,)
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I had hoped this game would be shown live over here as the cameras no doubt would be following Olearys body language very closely. I try to be optimistic but watching our experienced defence last week i think Fulham could run rings round them. Someone said on another thread that Delaney puts steel into the back line and I agree, our captain desperately needs an experienced central defender along side of him as his confidence is at an all time low. You can literally see panic written all over his face.
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I would seriously look at playing Bouma in central defence with Mellberg and put Samuel at Left Back (hopefully he will deal better with Boa Mote's pace).
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Morning JD, morning Robbo. I think the Fulham game is on live here so it will be a very nervy 90 minutes. The crowd reaction will also be important. need to get behind the team, and I'm sure we will, but if things start to go wrong, then you'll see plaenty of shots of Brezhnez looking unhappy and one degree up from dead. A bit lijke O Leary I suppose. The defence really does need something done with it, but it doesn't look like it will change. Ridge may just have had a very bad game at Everton so he wouldn't necessarily be overlooked. Maybe it is time for bouma to have a go. Maybe Cahill. Mellberg looks a shot player now that Delaney has gone from his right hand side. Hopefully, someone will enlighten us in a few hours exactly how the injury situation stands.
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G'day to all I get the same coverage as you JD and i think we are missing out this week, let me know if you get coverage. I would like to know how Pete can get coverage in darkest Islamabad and we can't, must be something to do with the influence Bin Laden has these days.
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Not sure why Robbo. We ESPN that is based in India, and they're huge on Prem football in Asia. So on Sat there is the early kick off live, the late kick off live then ESPN has 1 3 oclock kick 0ff. Its sister channel Star Sports has another, and a South African channel SuperSports will also have a game. So, its on one of them.
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It appears that the games against the unspeakables and the stripey filth are early kick offs which all seem to be shown live over here so fingers crossed. If and when you return to Brum I expect you to still log on at this hour to keep JD and myself company.
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Still have a minimum 2 years here so I'll be keeping you company for a while yet.
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I am I admit a tad less worried about this season after seeing the filth get hammered at home surely Bruce should tender his resignation now and save any further embarrassment.
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I'm still worried. Please placate me!
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That's your problem Legion, no doubt you will have seen some of the Com Games and noted the blue skies and the aqua coloured ocean and the brilliant weather, even at my most concerned there are still compensations in life. Get packed,get over,chill out.
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That's your problem Legion, no doubt you will have seen some of the Com Games and noted the blue skies and the aqua coloured ocean and the brilliant weather, even at my most concerned there are still compensations in life. Get packed,get over,chill out.
I'm on my way soon. Where would you suggest?
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I am biased of course and say that Melbourne was voted most liveable city for good reason. Not keen on Sydney too much hustle and bustle, Perth could be an option, beautiful city, great weather but can get a little too warm in Summer. Queensland and the Sunshine coast could be an option, 23 degrees even in winter but can get humid, be like on holiday all year round, not sure about employment up there though. I live on the Mornington Peninsula (look it up on the web) there are five golf courses within 5 minutes drive from me, the beach (safe for kids) is three hundred metres from my house, and there is a tennis club (cheap) 100 metres away. The downside is when an Aussie says just down the road he could mean 200 kilometres, everywhere is a long way from Oz so no cheap package holidays to Spain. You will get a good detached house for in pounds 150.000. Peter W will be impressed with this new advisory service this thread has created.
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Morning Robbo, are you sure you don't work for the tourist board?
You obviously love it there. I prefer the quiter life myself, hence that's why I live in Christchurch.
Perth sounds like a nice place, but it's so isolated. Isn't it the most remote city in the world?
Villa aren't on live in NZ this weekend. I am a bit relieved to be honest, after watching the Blackburn and Everton games. I used to look forward to watching Villa live on the box, but at the moment I just live in fear of their games. It's like being a rabbit caught in headlights, you know they are going to lose, but you can't do anything about it.
I'm busy concentrating on the running, getting focused for the Great Forest Marathon in the North Island on April 1st. Then an offroad Half Marathon on April 8th and then straight back into training for the Christchurch Marathon on June 4th.
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Is it too early to get the 150?
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No it's not. But will we reach this momentous score before Peter W realises. :-
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We can but try.
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That is true. We probably have a few hours headstart.
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Piece of piss then.
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No doubt he will threaten a Jihad etc on us, but he will never get into New Zealand, so I am safe.
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Don't worry.
Be happy.
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When the game ended they should have played The Clash - Magnificent Seven. That would have been class.
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Maybe we should let him have the honour.
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Are you scared Dave? Do you think he will get you? 8-[
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To bring up the milestone, I thought we should look back at some of the great quotes this thread has produced. Let's kick off by going back in time to page 3 on 16th October and this premonition from a golden oldie.
nit pickers of the world unite :smt009
Look guys Ellis is going to go, thus the need for any protest goes and if someone takes us private ala Glazier then you can forget about any kind of groups.
The future is bright.
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And who could forget this from Oct 18?
Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.
Predictable.
21 pages at least.
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I thought page 31 would be a good page to start.
Someone suspicious called mark fletcher gives false prophecies on page 31
Only 31 pages and now unlikely to get to 100.
I'm very disappointed, people.
Few posts later he makes a sacred promise.
Also, I happen to know for a fact that 14 posters on here are Blues fans. What about that eh?
Their names will be revealed when we hit page 100.
He didn't say anything on page 100 but on page 101 he clearly tries to avoid fulfilling his holy contract with the rest of us
101 Dry foam
Bring your carpet to life with dry fooooammmm.
Then few posts later on a same page he's trying to distract the attention from the fact that he made a noble vow to unveil the witches
Let's go for 200!!!!!!! :smt079
I demand answers :smt076
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I like the post towards the bottom of page 43 when Laughing Mooney starts opening up. It's a portent of great things to come, a bit like that split second on Live & Dangerous when Cowboy Song ends and The Boys are Back in Town is about to kick in.
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As Fletch found out you never put anything in writing that can come back to embarrass you. Must say Villa can learn a lot from this thread, started of brightly enough then went into a depression that saw it relegated , then through a brilliant piece of perception by one of the feared ones resurected and carried on by a small but honest bunch and now bearing fruit once again with many more players on board. You should all work to Melbourne time much more fun.
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No, mainly because it just looks like a person’s talking out of their arse if they can’t (or haven’t got the courage to) actually substantiate what they’ve written.
Yawn. Whatever.
Things must be getting bad for this VFC lot. After resorting to the gutter yesterday Risso’s now gone for the sulky teenager tactic.
More importantly however, everyone who’s read this thread now knows that Risso’s contributions aren’t worth the bit of cyberspace they exist in.
I say. Steady on.
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Well done chaps I must say.
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Will we get to 200 with our honest bunch of lads before Villa get to 40 points. The race is now on. Us \:D/ or DO'L? :smt116
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That's it. I'm outta here. [-(
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Peter, we need to get to 200 and I am sure when we get to 199 we can all stand back and let you take the credit. 8-[
It's that guy Woodhall, he always gets the milestones and tries to take the credit for everone elses hard work. :-
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No. Shan't. [-( My thunder was stolen when I was getting the century up. Now, the 150 is stolen. I'm not going to do the hard graft so the fancy dans can come on here and claim the glory. And I realise the irony on posting on this thread to say I shall no longer be posting on this thread. So it doesn't need to be pointed out. In any case I'm not woried today. In a fking great mood.
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You'll be back....
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I demand answers :smt076
Wait until page 300, I will then tell you how to turn base metals into gold.
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I demand answers :smt076
Wait until page 300, I will them tell you how to turn base metals into gold.
See! They're all coming in now. Taking our jobs. And our women. Send 'em back to wherever they came from. Other posters! Other posters! OUT! OUT! OUT!
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Ah, the misplaced optimism of the summer, it seems like such a short time ago, yet in other ways, a whole life time!
Risso, I do believe this squad will get steadily better throughout the season. I've not seen anything from any other team bar Chelsea and maybe Man Utd to say that if we get a good run together we wont climb the league and challenge for a European place.
There are a few problems to iron out but we are showing [In my opinion] that we can score goals and play some good attacking football. Hopefully as the season progresses, we will settle down and be consistently strong.
We still have a very young team that are learning their trade and each others games. I'm certainly not worried about mixing it up at the wrong end of the table and I do expect a good run of results pretty soon.
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I thought 8th - 10th was a realistic target.
I must have been out in the sun too long last July.
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I leave for a couple of hours and you've managed to get Peter W offside, have some consideration, when you've had your fill and slink off back to the netherland it will be just JD and me to try and keep this ship afloat, you will have to find a replacement until Legion gets out here.
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AH. It was nice to see that rash of excitement. Like having the World Cup once every 50 years or something.
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The oracle of knowledge spoke on page 11, and it's quite a scary revelation....next JD will be asking for people to cross his palm with sliver!
Well I think we should sign Bakke and Milner.
Oh, sorry is this the wrong thread? :- :-#
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I'm well chuffed this thread is still going. Will it go on until we get taken over do you think, or will the powers that be just let it carry on getting bigger and fatter?
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It will continue....
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Not only am I an oracle of knowledge, I have a Black Cat that senses Villa's despair. When the second goal went in at the weekend, my Cat looked at me and then threw up all over the carpet. I knew then we were in for a pasting. #-o
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I had just got in from a very pleasant dinner with friends and hit the lounge chair just as they kicked off. I was fairly greased and oiled which numbed me somewhat, I was impressed with ablongher (incorrect I know) and thought he should be given more match time with experience around him, thought he played better than Moore.
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I think once Gabby learns to control a ball properly he will be devastating. He reminds me of a young Tony Daley. All he needs now is a haircut to die for. :^o
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To be honest, decent pace but with the touch of a rapist. Lets hope he progresses because pace is something we lack all ove rthe pitch.
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Unfortunately we don't have anyone to feed the through ball so he can use his speed. Watched the whole Sty debacle last night, what suprised was that the scousers didn't really play well for long periods of the match, just shows how bloody awful the opposition was. Football managers are like politicians, no integrity, there was a time when a manager being in Bruce's position would have done the honorable thing and resigned but no he comes out with this utter crap about turning things around and I am the right man for the job bollocks. Oleary can you hear me.
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Well it looks like the fans are turning against Mr Potatohead now. Wonder what will happen when we play the Dogsh#t? Either DO'L or Brucie is going to resign (or be sacked) after that game.
Saying that, it will probably be a draw and nothing will happen. ](*,)
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O leary won't be sacked now. In all reality he wasn't going to get the push even if we had lost. Only 7 games to go, the manager isn't going to be pushed lest it cretes mass panic amongst the players and unsettles the poor loves.
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I wonder though Pete what the reaction of all of the fans will be if we lose the next three games. It won't be pretty, I can tell you that.
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You can imagine that the reaction of the fans will be very apoplectic. But, 4 games to go a club in crisis, as we would be, will need to stabilise before change. For the sake of the team you wouldn't want a new manager with new ideas. There wouldn't be enough time to change things on the training pitch, and thus it would be best left alone. So, ironically I am in the O Leary must stay brigade. Until the momeny we are safe.IF....the moment that has happened, then I'd get rid. Fickle?Meh..
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Are the day shift allowed into this one?
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More than welcome!
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Whoa whoa whoa [-X Not until i've clocked off. 12 minutes then you can run free.
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I agree Peter. No point changing things this late in the season. You can look at it another way.
When we get stuffed at Arsenal at the weekend (sorry I am extremely scared about this one 8-[ ), DO'L resigns.
Step forward Sid & Kev McD. We then lose the next two at home to Stripey Filth and Dogsh*t. How would the fans react to them two then???
To be honest, after watching a bit of The Arse v Juve tonight, I will be happy if we keep the result this weekend down to 3 goals.
We should be concentrating all of our efforts into the two home games after that.
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Saturday scares me....
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I know Legion, it's frightening to think what Arsenal can do if they play well. Especially after the way they played tonight.
I'm so pleased that I'm away this weekend running a Marathon. It will probably be a lot less painful. 8-[
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Didn't we play them after they stuffed Inter 5-1, or some other devastating European display? and then they brushed past us as if we weren't there? and that was when we were average. Just wish i hadn't taken the piss about liverpool's 7 now....
I agree that we should be concentrating on the two games afetr that because, we can stay up, and put the Shit in the shit a little bit more. it is easy to see us lose all 3 though, isn't it?
Interesting point though JD, get stuffed by the Arse, sack the twat, get Kev and Sid in, they lose both the derbies...then what? I think that this would be too unsettling for new managers and should be avoided at all costs. So, believe it or not I have kind of moved into the Chris Smith camp. But not for the same reasons, I just think it is too late in the day to sack him. But, as soon as we're safe, or in the summer, shoot him.
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I agree Peter and have sort of moved into the same camp as well. No point with the disarray we are in at the moment, putting some other poor sod in the firing line. It's O'Leary's mess and it up to him to keep us up this season.
We should wait until the season is over and hold the inquest then. Then take the appropriate action (this hopefully being new rich owners and a new manager [-o< ).
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OK JD, if we lare safe after the A lbion game, would you sack the dick, and put Kev/Sid in before the Shit game? Two ways of looking at it, if they lose, yes we'd be upset about it, and the team might not have a good run in under the new manager. Then start the season afresh , maybe new owners, with money. I'd prefer an experienced manager to be able to make good use of it.
The other thing is if we were to win the derby, the fans would be highly supprotive of the new regime. 3 games to go and we'd be picking the positives out of everything. Now, if we were to have new owners would the popularity of Kev/Sid keep them there? If so, would you trust them with a healthy bank balance to be able to pull in the right names? Also, would they be able to sell the team-not the club- to better players? Or would we need an experienced manager to be able to do that?
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Are the day shift allowed into this one?
Why not?
I don't see why the nightcrawlers should hog it all.
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We should wait until the season is over and hold the inquest then.
Which is preety much what I've been saying, to much attempted ridicule, for the past few months. We've got the summer to make a cool headed and rational appraisal of the situation why rush into something just to appease a few whingers?
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We should wait until the season is over and hold the inquest then.
Which is preety much what I've been saying, to much attempted ridicule, for the past few months. We've got the summer to make a cool headed and rational appraisal of the situation why rush into something just to appease a few whingers?
I see you ignored the rest of JD's sentence which went on to state that he wants the manger out. Funny that.
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Are the day shift allowed into this one?
Why not?
I don't see why the nightcrawlers should hog it all.
Because we are the workers. You day light dandies only want to know when we get to a landmark score. So, off you pop and we'll see you all back on Page 197/8.
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You day light dandies
I like that.
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So, off you pop and we'll see you all back on Page 197/8.
Sounds good.
See you then.
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We should wait until the season is over and hold the inquest then.
Which is preety much what I've been saying, to much attempted ridicule, for the past few months. We've got the summer to make a cool headed and rational appraisal of the situation why rush into something just to appease a few whingers?
I see you ignored the rest of JD's sentence which went on to state that he wants the manger out. Funny that.
The full stop after 'inquest then' means that the sentence has finished, Peter.
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We should wait until the season is over and hold the inquest then.
Which is preety much what I've been saying, to much attempted ridicule, for the past few months. We've got the summer to make a cool headed and rational appraisal of the situation why rush into something just to appease a few whingers?
I see you ignored the rest of JD's sentence which went on to state that he wants the manger out. Funny that.
The full stop after 'inquest then' means that the sentence has finished, Peter.
Sentence, paragraph, stanza, yadda yadda yadda.
I think by reading the comments from myself and JD we both stated that the time to sack the tit is not now. We have to wait until the summer. Then, we'll look at the situation, sack the manager, and move on. A ray of sunshine will then rise high over Villa Park.
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Lovely, and everybody will be happy.
The people who say we should wait until summer will be happy because we'll have waited until summer.
The people who say we should sack him will be happy because we'll have sacked him.
And peace and harmony will descend through the Villa fans of this world.
Until Doug goes and appoints Steve Bruce.
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Lovely, and everybody will be happy.
The people who say we should wait until summer will be happy because we'll have waited until summer.
The people who say we should sack him will be happy because we'll have sacked him.
And peace and harmony will descend through the Villa fans of this world.
Until Doug goes and appoints Steve Bruce.
Easy tiger =;
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Can we afford to sack him ??
In the bigger picture can we afford to keep him in charge ??
I could have put this in any thread but I wanted to keep the "Fans Worried" thread snowballing along !!
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Good point. But i think it is largeley irrelevant at this time of the season. We've got no choice but to sticjk with him. As JD said he's got us into this mess and he'll need to stick around until we're out of this mess.
If we have a limited budget is it worth sacking O Leary over maybe spending that £2m or so that we might need for a CM/CB? That saying, if we kept O leary to save money would you trust him to
1) Bring in the right player
2) Not turn the 'right' player into a mediocre non entity as he has done with seemingly many a Villa player
3) Is it only me or do we seem to be the unfittest team in the league? I've mentioned this all season and I really am surprised nobody has picked up on it. I really do think part of our problem is a lack of fitness that is so blatant.
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Perhaps it may come down to what is more valuable to the team, 2m on a player, or 2m spent getting rid of the captain of the ship currently sailing us straight towards the iceberg whilst Admiral Ellis dances round claiming to have invented deck shoes.
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Nobody knows exactly how much compensation we'd have to pay O'Leary. It might only be around £1 million, and that would be made up for by finishing a couple of places higher or around 3,000 season tickets sold.
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Said it before and I'll say it again, sack Roy Aiken and watch O'Leary walk. Much cheaper than paying off the Clueless One.
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I think if DO'L is sacked then hopefully the compensation will pay for itself anyway, with an increased revenue in season tickets.
Interesting analogy Peter, on sacking DO'L after we beat Stripeyfilth. That would be fun. We should get Vince McMahon from WWE to do the firing. \:D/
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I think that we are getting bogged down on the compensation issue. But I think that it would be too easy for us to simply sack Aitken and expect O Leary to walk. You would have expected O Leary to have something in his contract to counteract that. Also, what if the frigger called our bluff. Either way we'd have to pay for the lot of them. Time to clear the lot out and start again.
But, it won't happen until we have a take over. Or if we know the take over is not happening. If it is the latter, we will be in a lot more trouble than we can even contemplate at the moment. Yes, the manager has to go. but is anybody seriuosly countenancing another season of Doug in charge? That would be as crippling to the club as having O Leary there.
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Just because I have been away for a week, Villa have again taken another hammering and there are other issues to discuss does not mean this thread should be allowed to slip half way down the second page. Get a grip for christ sake.
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Sorry.
BTW - compensation. Might only be 12 months, £1m.
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Sorry for letting this slip Robbo. I've been away over the weekend running a Marathon. I'll tell you what though, the 5-0 defeat was more painful. ](*,)
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Sorry for letting this slip Robbo. I've been away over the weekend running a Marathon. I'll tell you what though, the 5-0 defeat was more painful. ](*,)
The worrying thing is it wasn't as painfull for me as it should have been, it was so expected. Looking at the team we fielded It is hard to see where we can pick up anymore points. All teams below us seem to be playing better if not winning football than us. Is this the last chance saloon for Oleary on Saturday, surely lose this and Doug will have to pull the pin.
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Good to have you back on board Robbo. Good week away I hope. Ironically, the next two games could be the best thing for us. At the back we're a shambles, but derby games tend to make the football a lot tighter, less space, and less football. This may help us.
Other thing is its been noticeable how much we've missed Milners industry, both in going forward, and tracking back. We need players back for the next two games, and need them quickly. This is the start of the plummet that I predicted. Two derby games are what we need, more than a home game against Sunderland.
Worried? You can bet your effing life I am.
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How are we on the injury front? while away a virus wormed its way into my pc at home and came into the office to sneak a look into H&V, i should really get a life, it does seem that we are tending to repeat threads with the same arguments, i want slim back, Drummond should appologise, i need humour amongst all this worry.
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Yeah, I've steered clear of injury for the best part of 8 months or so now, but you always feel the career ending one is just around the corner! I shouldn't be so, oh, I see, you mean the Villa? Actually, I have no idea. I get to see the majority of Villa games but no news in between the Saturdays, so unless something is confirmed on here I just have to wait and see.
We could do with Delaney, Mellberg, Baros being back for the next 2. If only for calmer, or experienced heads. Whilst we're at it why not give bloody DJ x2 a go. Does anybody really believe its anything but personal between him and the manager?
You're right that all threads are becoming pretty similar, but when the team is sliding fast, and the club is in decline, its hardly surprising is it? When a crap 1-0 win at home toany old rubbish makes your weekend, even your week, then when you lose that feeling of going into work happy because your club have won a game, you become miserable sods. Byenlarge we're all miserable sods. I retain the right to be a miserable frigger until we win again, unless by then its too late!
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Lets just hope that we have Mellberg, Baros and hopefully Milner fit for Sundays game. [-o<
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Lets just hope that we have Mellberg, Baros and hopefully Milner fit for Sundays game. [-o<
Milner has been out for a while now and would not be match fit. Mellberg is the key, I would not want to go into the next two games without him.
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I think both Mellberg and Baros are the keys to us getting a result. I do really wish that Delaney was available. What's happened to him, has he fallen into a black hole or something? 8-[
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I think Mellberg AND Delaney are the key. They looked steady as a partnership and I wouldn't trust Ridge and Ollie to keep things tight at the back.
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Where can we get an update on injuries?
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Anyone?
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here:
http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php
or
http://tinyurl.com/d7he7
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Well thats that then. Mellberg out for what could be the season. Welshnote likewise. Milner too. So basically our defence is what is known in lay terms as fucked.
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Could be. Or it could be that physioroom.com has not been given a specific return date yet.
I think Mellberg said he aims to be back in two weeks and that was a week ago. As for The Welsh and Milner not sure.
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Back on thread topic the take over Neville fronted may be coming "back to life", they where going to walk away when it was getting boged down with Doug
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Sorry Mark H, I'm not pissed enough to understand your post above :smt002
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Read that Baros & Mellberg should be back for Sunday. [-o<
No word on Delaney or Milner yet though.
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Morning Peter. O:)
It's been very quiet on the night shift so far tonight. That's my working day nearly done and I'm off to see if my legs still work properly after the weekend. Will leave it over to you. Have a great day. \:D/
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Back on thread topic the take over Neville fronted may be coming "back to life", they where going to walk away when it was getting boged down with Doug
What? There's a takeover? Bloody-hell. Well its about time. I reckon its going to be Venezuelan flying monkeys with pots of cocoa, or Irish magnets attracted to anything metal.
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Morning Peter. O:)
It's been very quiet on the night shift so far tonight. That's my working day nearly done and I'm off to see if my legs still work properly after the weekend. Will leave it over to you. Have a great day. \:D/
Morning JD. I've still got 5 and a bit hours to go so I'll make sure the daylight dandies have some food for interesting thought. Well, I'll be mostly saying O Leary out in as many ways as possible. Enjoy the rest of your day mate.
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Signed up yet?
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You nightcrawlers aren't doing very well. Still on 155. You should be pushing harder to the magical 200.
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Heres another one towards it then.
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We know exactly what we're doing thank-you very much. We'll get to the 200 our way. Experience has shown us what happens when we hit landmark scores, the daylight dandies come out to take our glory.
So, leave us be.
This is a warning.
Don't make us angry.
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Mr Fletcher, us night crew are the Geoffrey Boycotts of posting.
Very slow and purposeful, no ridiculous playing and can be relied upon to get a thread out of a crisis.
The other thing is that unlike some, we think it is very sad if you start replying to your own posts. 8-[
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and I am sad. #-o
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Seeing as the asking price for Villa is slipping I think we should organize a whip round to see how much we can put up, I will put up 12.000 are their another 5.999 who care to join me?
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I would Robbo, but I fear we would need a great deal more than that. If we paid 64M for the Club we would need about another 20M to buy some decent players, get rid of the Management Team and sget a new one, plus the cost of upgrading the training facilities. #-o
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Hold on i'll just break into the wifes xmas club see how much more i can get.
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I'll see if I can raid the kids piggy banks, to find some more money.
To be honest Robbo, I've thought of further investment through the Trust (I love having a certificate showing that I 'own' a small piece of my Club), but with a takeover being on the table it doesn't seem an appropriate time to invest any more money in the Club, unless it is enough to make it worthwhile. I don't think my missus would be pleased if I spent our savings on investment in Villa.
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That's the thing. Any new investor will have heightened an already expectant fan bases sense of reality. Lets say it did cost £64m to buy the club. Another £20m would be needed to invest in new players. That would be just about enough for a decent centre-half,goalkeeper, central midfielder, and maybe forward. They would need time to bed in and so come the Jan sales we'd need more money.
Let's be honest if/when we are taken over deep down, do any iof us NOT expect our new owners to fund us towards the League title? Or at least a challenge? Yeah, we'll say Europe, but we'll mean top 4. We say top 4, we know, as Villa fans, we still think we've got a title in us. That's the way we think.
It will take a LOT of money, we may just lose Doug, and get chancers, or those that really do not know the pressure we will put on them immediately.
For that reason it was right to reject Ranson, because he and his cohorts would not have improved things with their derisory offer. To be honest all the Comers have done is maybe try and get enough money to give to Doug. They do not appear to have enough financial clout to be able to deal with us afterwards.
We need change at the helm. That is unquestioned, but the silence is killing me in one sense, but golden in the sense that I don't want us to go to any any old Tom, Dick, or Chancer.
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Oh, and morning JD, Robbo.
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Morning Peter.
To really make a difference to Villa, I reckon that whoever does buy the Club would need to invest at least 100M, to move us forward again.
Looks like I will have to buy a Lotto ticket again this weekend and dream. [-o<
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I thinkwe shopuld all find some big feck off lotteries that are offering £300m or something all buy a ticket and attempt to win the thing. Pump about £150m into Villa, and watch us take the Championship by storm.
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On another thread i looked back to the dark days of the third division when most players were home grown and you could improve with a bit of finannce and a good manager. Now it would be impossible, you are right in saying that we need not only new owners but owners to finance some serious spending in the next twelve months if we are to survive as a premiership side let alone a top four side. I still believe the present squad is capable of much better but not under Oleary. I honestly believe that any mature avid Villa supporter could do better that Oleary at present.
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Fully agree. You watch the team and it hasn't been right all season. The christmas spell aside we have been hit and miss. Now, we've lost the hit and are just miss. Just look at the defence. The defending is abject. The players we have here are better than a relegation scrap. If we had gearge Graham in do you think we'd be defending as badly with the same players? If you had Graham Taylor even, do you think this midfield would not know how to work, and pass to a Claret & Blue shirt? and deliver a football to a forward? Look at the forwards. He doesn't know his best two. Its baros and one other. Chop and change. Then he persists in trying to play potentially our best finisher, Phillips, deeper because he's convinced he canplay the Sheringham role. He hasn't got a clue, Phillips should be playing off the last defenders shoulder. He's making him ineffective.
So, bollocksed up the defence, no idea how to make a cohesive midfield unit, and is plain guessing with the forwards.
Messing it up big style.
You just have to look at how we try to play to see that we are set up all wrong. There is no Plan B, its just fingers crossed that it comes together.
Yes, we need major investment, no-one is claiming otherwise, but the bunch of players we have now are directionless on the pitch, which makes us look a lot worse than we really are.
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Doesn't it puzzle you a little bit that we are at the industrial heart of the country, fortunes have been made, you would think that there must be life long Villa supporters out there that have the business acumen and the finance to take us on but they never show themselves.
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Never really thought that was too important to be honest Robbo. It comes across as a 'tart with a heart' kind of scenario. I would prefer to steer away from local businessmen/supporters as they may have more front than investment clout.
Bill Kenwright is a case in point, he was being criticised left right and centre at Everton until they struck Gold with Rooney. Whoever it is needs to be someone with a lot of spare change. They tend to be multi-millionaires/ billionaires.
If the Comers were the owners and it was Doug approaching them, he'd get as short a shrift as Ranson did and rightly so.
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Friday at last. I'm glad we are playing when we are this weekend, as I won't know the score until Monday morning, so I can enjoy my weekend for once.
The kids team I coach have their first grading game this weekend, so I will be concentrating on looking at combinations for them and not worrying about Villa. I have only trained them twice, so it's going to be interesting, but I bet it won't take me as long as DO'L to find their best positions and find a settled team. :smt002
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This thread needs some Flintoffian quick scoring.
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This thread needs some Flintoffian quick scoring.
Yes a lofty six against the stripeys would be handy.
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I wonder if Mssrs Cairns & Son can help us out with the wonderful bat named Excalibur.
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Oleary could get run out this weekend.
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I would say thae he wouldn't make our defence look any worse. But he'll just be propping up the goalpost with his arms crossed.
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This thread needs some Flintoffian quick scoring.
We'll have no backhanded snidy comments from you daylight dandies thank-you very much
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G'day Pete, seems you and Chris will have to sought things out in the old way of settling disputes, either pistol or sword, the former is preffered by those with a good eye and a steady hand and you can get it over quickly. The latter suits those with an aggressive streak and a mean nature not for those that feint at the sight of bloody, can get very messy. Have you noticed the sudden surge of female posters, this is very worrying as I have perceived some of our more serious male posters becoming somewhat distracted you know what I mean sentences with double meanings and little sexual inuendos. Why is it that serious minded males
go ga ga when women are around. Even noticed Woodhall getting involved
along with his cohort Fletch. Fancy involving yourself with someone who puts their main interest as shopping. I really enjoy this time of day when you can literally say anything you want without fear of interuption or contradiction.
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Rightly so as well Robbo. Keep the Colonial sprit alive and all that. :-
I can imagine Peter and Chris having a sword fight, like Monty Python's Holy Grail. Chris saying "come back you coward". \:D/
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Rightly so as well Robbo. Keep the Colonial sprit alive and all that. :-
I can imagine Peter and Chris having a sword fight, like Monty Python's Holy Grail. Chris saying "come back you coward". \:D/
I can imagine them meeting up at the pub and agreeing all night over a few beers. Oh the wonders and safety of the internet. JD i take it that you will go straight to the results on Monday morning and take the hit between the eyes i'm more of looking at H&V first to look at the comments to prepare myself.
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Robbo, I usually go straight into the match thread and relive it through the eyes of fellow Villa fans. I knew against Fulham that it must have been 0-0 though as it was so short.
I'm not sure what I will do on Monday, maybe get the result straight from Sky News in the morning? I'm just not looking forward to it. 8-[
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A coward? JD A feckin' jihad on you. Yeah, like you I'm worried about the amount of women on this site. I've always said that women and football don't mix. You can sit and have a conversation with most blokes about football and have a great melting pot of ideas, opinions, and dynamic thrusts of points. With a woman? Well they try, but you hear of demotion instead of relegation, kick a goal not score a goal, and the old 'its only a game' nonsense.
They have never kicked a ball in their life so the nuances of the game are lost on them. Bit like Chris Smith really.......
Yeah, I agree. Its great being able to say what you like at this time of night/day.
A coward! JD you and me are a-feudin'.
I take Chris Smith is havinga pop somewhere? Haven't read it yet so I'll have to have a look. I'm sure its full of rapier like wit and thought provoking intelligent comment. Be back to report tout-de-suite.
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Peter, if you have seen Monty Pythons Holy Grail you will know that I am not calling you a coward.
In the film the knight chops off the arms and legs of his adversary who then keeps calling him a coward for walking away after doing that. It's very funny. O:)
A jihad on me, come on then, you will have to fight me over here in the bush, so I ain't scared. You will never catch me. \:D/
Anyway, time to go for a run. Have a great weekend guys and pray we have good news early Monday. [-o<
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Peter, if you have seen Monty Pythons Holy Grail you will know that I am not calling you a coward.
In the film the knight chops off the arms and legs of his adversary who then keeps calling him a coward for walking away after doing that. It's very funny. O:)
A jihad on me, come on then, you will have to fight me over here in the bush, so I ain't scared. You will never catch me. \:D/
Anyway, time to go for a run. Have a great weekend guys and pray we have good news early Monday. [-o<
Erm. Yes, I have seen the film, and I ,errh, now remember the scene. The best bit of the film. Have to say its not a patch on Life Of Brian though.
As for the jihad. Hold on, I'll have to talk to a couple of people....
Mate I'm trying to fight your case but you then issued them an 'I'm not scared' writ. Now they are trying to get you for stealing Transvision Vamp lyrics. Ooooooooooooooooohhhhh Wendy James. I'd like to jihad all over her.
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A coward? JD A feckin' jihad on you. Yeah, like you I'm worried about the amount of women on this site. I've always said that women and football don't mix. You can sit and have a conversation with most blokes about football and have a great melting pot of ideas, opinions, and dynamic thrusts of points. With a woman? Well they try, but you hear of demotion instead of relegation, kick a goal not score a goal, and the old 'its only a game' nonsense.
They have never kicked a ball in their life so the nuances of the game are lost on them. Bit like Chris Smith really.......
Yeah, I agree. Its great being able to say what you like at this time of night/day.
A coward! JD you and me are a-feudin'.
I take Chris Smith is havinga pop somewhere? Haven't read it yet so I'll have to have a look. I'm sure its full of rapier like wit and thought provoking intelligent comment. Be back to report tout-de-suite.
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I'm lost for words. [-(
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A coward? JD A feckin' jihad on you. Yeah, like you I'm worried about the amount of women on this site. I've always said that women and football don't mix. You can sit and have a conversation with most blokes about football and have a great melting pot of ideas, opinions, and dynamic thrusts of points. With a woman? Well they try, but you hear of demotion instead of relegation, kick a goal not score a goal, and the old 'its only a game' nonsense.
They have never kicked a ball in their life so the nuances of the game are lost on them. Bit like Chris Smith really.......
Yeah, I agree. Its great being able to say what you like at this time of night/day.
A coward! JD you and me are a-feudin'.
I take Chris Smith is havinga pop somewhere? Haven't read it yet so I'll have to have a look. I'm sure its full of rapier like wit and thought provoking intelligent comment. Be back to report tout-de-suite.
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I'm lost for words. [-(
A woman lost for words! A first! Shame you can't be more like this when us menfolk talk about football.
Anyway, put the kettle on love..........
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A coward? JD A feckin' jihad on you. Yeah, like you I'm worried about the amount of women on this site. I've always said that women and football don't mix. You can sit and have a conversation with most blokes about football and have a great melting pot of ideas, opinions, and dynamic thrusts of points. With a woman? Well they try, but you hear of demotion instead of relegation, kick a goal not score a goal, and the old 'its only a game' nonsense.
They have never kicked a ball in their life so the nuances of the game are lost on them. Bit like Chris Smith really.......
Yeah, I agree. Its great being able to say what you like at this time of night/day.
A coward! JD you and me are a-feudin'.
I take Chris Smith is havinga pop somewhere? Haven't read it yet so I'll have to have a look. I'm sure its full of rapier like wit and thought provoking intelligent comment. Be back to report tout-de-suite.
:smt067 :smt068 :smt070
I'm lost for words. [-(
A woman lost for words! A first! Shame you can't be more like this when us menfolk talk about football.
Anyway, put the kettle on love..........
God I nearly peed myself laughing at that original line! =P~ =D> =D>
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I'm :-# from now on. Lest my irreverence is misconstrued by all of you lovely women. MWAH. :smt002
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I'm :-# from now on. Lest my irreverence is misconstrued by all of you lovely women. MWAH. :smt002
Awww Bless! =D> MWAH!
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Are you Mysti Craven? John's youngest?
I suspect though that you're a bloke masquerading as a female. You wierdo. Stop blowing kisses.
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Are you Mysti Craven? John's youngest?
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Errr No!
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Looks like I am night watchman then. It's getting lkate and I need to break for drinks. At least for 6 hours!
I'm trying guys whilst you enjoy your dirty weekend away!
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Looks like I'm doing the night shift by myself then.
I'm still woried about Villa's future mind.
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looks like the drinks may take a few minutes
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I'm worried too. Desperately so
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I'm here Drummond and still worried. No Mellberg, so let's hope the others can step up. 8-[
My son's team lost this morning, but it was only a grading game against one of the top teams in towns, so I took the opportunity to experiment a bit and change the team around to look at different combinations. Now I know exactly who will start where when our first league game kicks off in two weeks.
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I'm worried too. Desperately so
I'm moving into the 'terrified' zone.
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I'm worried too. Desperately so
I'm moving into the 'terrified' zone.
Im joining you..!!! [-o<
...JUst about to switch on PremPlus to boo Bernard Cribbins & his Noses, with my voodoo doll with Pins at the ready! aaaarrrrggggghhhh!
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I'm worried too. Desperately so
I'm moving into the 'terrified' zone.
Im joining you..!!! [-o<
...JUst about to switch on PremPlus to boo Bernard Cribbins & his Noses, with my voodoo doll with Pins at the ready! aaaarrrrggggghhhh!
Ouch! That hurt.
Would you mind not thinking about me at the moment Mystic?!
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I'm worried too. Desperately so
I'm moving into the 'terrified' zone.
Im joining you..!!! [-o<
...JUst about to switch on PremPlus to boo Bernard Cribbins & his Noses, with my voodoo doll with Pins at the ready! aaaarrrrggggghhhh!
Ouch! That hurt.
Would you mind not thinking about me at the moment Mystic?!
Why? You're not Bernard Cribbins are you???? Im runnin out of pins....IS it working yet???? I cant bear to look yet....... :-&
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Getting this thread back on topic, has anybody else had Shaun Udal attempting to chat up their other half?
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Getting this thread back on topic, has anybody else had Shaun Udal attempting to chat up their other half?
Erm no but I think my other half would be most upset & he would probably punch Shaun Udal's lights out..... :-k
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Now I know exactly who will start where when our fist league game kicks off in two weeks.
Exactly what sort of sport is this?
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not many folk with the concentration levels to keep this going!
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Oh dear Dave, that was a big mistake. All fixed now though. Still worried, especially after Blues and Portsmouth getting another point each.
We must win today. [-o<
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blimey that nearly slipped off the top page then, those boys will be kackered enough after the weekend to have to worry about keeping this going.
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blimey that nearly slipped off the top page then, those boys will be kackered enough after the weekend to have to worry about keeping this going.
Kackered?
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Where was Drummond apres-match, that's what I'd like to know.
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I'm not worried about this season anymore logic and the stats say that we are safe, it would have been different if we had lost to the stripeys thats how important it was and looking at our defensive set up i'm a little relieved. If we are worried about next year i would imagine Ellis is terrified, thought he could retire at a time of his own choosing and sell at an inflated price. What's he going to do in the summer? if he is still in control he will have to go against all his beliefs and borrow heavily just to keep us in the prem, if he doesn't then we are doomed to relegation and he loses even more.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ray Ranson wasn't still looking at events
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ray Ranson wasn't still looking at events
I think there would be more than one opportunist out there at the moment Dave. I have read opinions that Ellis would have to drop five million to get things moving, I think if it was me looking to buy I would just be biding my time because in my humble opinion he has overpriced himself by 15 million. What is the concensus opinion of new owners borrowing heavily to buy players which is something I would imagine Ranson would do?
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Well I'm still worried. Lose the next two games and we could certainly be in trouble. If we win against the Dog#*it then I would say we are safe.
I agree with you Robbo. I am sure there are probably a few potential investors waiting out there and biding their time to see what happens. It would be nice to get up one morning and read that we have been sold and that we have 30m or so to spend on new players for next season. O:)
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Well I'm still worried. Lose the next two games and we could certainly be in trouble. If we win against the Dog#*it then I would say we are safe.
I agree with you Robbo. I am sure there are probably a few potential investors waiting out there and biding their time to see what happens. It would be nice to get up one morning and read that we have been sold and that we have 30m or so to spend on new players for next season. O:)
JD I have just done my analysis for the rest of the season giving the most optimistic outcome for all our relegation rivals and the most pessimistic for ourselves and keep in mind our percentage gives us in reality an extra point. Here goes.
Fulham 47
Villa 41
Filth 38
Arry's 38
Stipeys 36
Sunderland gone
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Can't be right Robbo, you have the Filth staying up. Please tell me it's wrong. 8-[
On the BBC Predictor I have the following:-
Villa 42 Points
Man City 42 Points
Fulham 42 Points
Portsmouth 35 Points
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DogSh#*t 34 Points
Stripeyfilth 32 Points
Sunderland very few Points
Fingers crossed for this. [-o<
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I just hope we win against the Dogs#*t this coming weekend. Imagine the boost to the team if we do, not forgetting how much it will do to their confidence, especially if Pompey win.
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Morning both. Well a point closer to safety but thats all. We need a win desperately. We will lose next week without a shadow of a doubt. I just don't know where the next win will come from. Everybody thinks we'll turn up and beat Sunderland, but that is not the case. Watching us yesterday was hard work, we were second best to a poor Ablion team, who, if they had a decent forward, would have murdered us. They could easily of won yesterday 3-0. 3 clear chances. We didn't have any. That was piss poor. Again. 41 points Robbo? We'll do well to get another 3. We are, still, in a great deal of trouble.
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I have just looked at the betting odds on relegation Filth, Stripeys and Portsmouth are all odds on to go down Villa are 25-1 against going down.
I believe even if the filth beat us on Sunday we will stay up but if we beat them they are as good as gone. Call me old fashioned but I would rather have it that we were challenging our local rivals for European places than taking comfort in their demise. I'm a Brummie and would like to see our part of the U.K get some of the Kudos that the fawning press give so readily to the toilet that is London.
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Odds are one thing Robbo, ut if this Villa team NEEDED to go oot and get a win, do you think they could? Even more, if they had to desperately chase a game, do you think they could? No, and not a chance.
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Well Robbo, I am totally in disagreement with you here. I love Villa, but have no affection for Dogs*#t or Stripeyfilth and would like to see them both relegated. If I could chose a team for us to play derbies against, it would be Wolves.
Whereas I know the press think that all the London teams are great and they need to get a life, I can assure you that I am a born and bred Londoner and have never lived in a toilet (apart from when I was hiding from my big brothers 8-[ ).
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Well Robbo, I am totally in disagreement with you here. I love Villa, but have no affection for Dogs*#t or Stripeyfilth and would like to see them both relegated. If I could chose a team for us to play derbies against, it would be Wolves.
Whereas I know the press think that all the London teams are great and they need to get a life, I can assure you that I am a born and bred Londoner and have never lived in a toilet (apart from when I was hiding from my big brothers 8-[ ).
Do you talk funny then? And I need to know how someone born in the unmentionable came to support Villa? as everyone should bye the way.
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Maybe because the unquestionable greatness that was Aston Villa cut a swathe across the smoke at one time. Either that or JD thought we were West Ham.
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No Guv'nor I speak the Queen's English (if she came from the East End, that is). Apples & Pears and all that. Did I tell you I'm friends with the Kray Twins, blah, blah, blah.... :-
In 1975 my family moved to Chasetown, Dad's job or something? where I lived for nearly two years, before going back to the big smoke. I had only really been regulaly to Leyton Orient before moving to Chasetown and after going to Villa for the first time, I was hooked. Been supporting them ever since and used to travel regularly from London to see them (hard for midweek games, half days leave and all that).
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Early finish for me today. See you all tomorrow. \:D/
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Have a good'un.
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Odds are one thing Robbo, ut if this Villa team NEEDED to go oot and get a win, do you think they could? Even more, if they had to desperately chase a game, do you think they could? No, and not a chance.
Your right Pete but fortunately we are in a year that has some of the poorest teams that have ever been seen in the premiership. One point seems to have been overlooked from yesterdays game and that is that we failed to score against one of the poorest defences in the league. I think that under difficult circumstances keeping a clean sheet was a good result from a novice central defensive pairing but we had experienced options up front that gave us nothing. I had reservations about Philips and my worst fears seem to be coming true, old and past it, Angel finished,
Baros needs a quality midfield to keep presenting him with chances,he may get one in five but is our best option. I am not of the opinion that Oleary has bought reasonably well, i think his last two years have been a disaster. How much do we need to spend in the summer to right the ship?
perhaps we can between you, JD and myself we can have our own end of year clear out. I suppose if we really have to, we will allow the occassional blow in to have an opinion.
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No Guv'nor I speak the Queen's English (if she came from the East End, that is). Apples & Pears and all that. Did I tell you I'm friends with the Kray Twins, blah, blah, blah.... :-
In 1975 my family moved to Chasetown, Dad's job or something? where I lived for nearly two years, before going back to the big smoke. I had only really been regulaly to Leyton Orient before moving to Chasetown and after going to Villa for the first time, I was hooked. Been supporting them ever since and used to travel regularly from London to see them (hard for midweek games, half days leave and all that).
Well blow me down in 1975 I lived in Burntwood and played for Chase Terrace. Small world.
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A clear out bloody hell, we'd have to start from scratch. This team has been allowed to slip so far that it will take 5 years or so to steadily put it right. We need to look for a manager who has got the energy to do it.
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I agree Peter. I think we probably need to replace six or seven players in the Summer, if we are not going to sink even lower. Players like JPA, McCann, JlLoyd, UDLC and more just don't have what it takes to move the club forward.
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Odds are one thing Robbo, ut if this Villa team NEEDED to go oot and get a win, do you think they could? Even more, if they had to desperately chase a game, do you think they could? No, and not a chance.
Exactly right. The Villa haven't had a team to chase a game for a few years now. We have been able to counter attack but not put teams under constant pressure until they crack. The reason, we cannot hold on to the ball because too many players do not have the required ability to pass the ball. High tempo game is like pinball at times!
Oh for a Cowans at his best (or even at his worst!).
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Will someone remind me of the last time we won a game we really needed to win against opposition that was roughly as good as us. I can't think of anything post-96.
It's not so much the ability to pass as being able to put their foot on the ball and dictate the game that's what we lack.
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Didn't hear your radio interview i take it you raised all those points.
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That's the issue. In the close games over the past few seasons all I can remember is the heartache of conceding late goals to either draw or lose games, we should have won. ](*,)
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Expectation replaced with trepidation seems to bo our lot these days. Going back to a summer clear out it is really going to be a huge job as we have so many players Angel, Philips, Berger, DLUC,JLS and Delaney that will probably move on and I am concerned that Mellberg, Baros and a couple of others will request transfers. If as he should Oleary goes then some of them may want to stay depending on who the new manager is but I go back to the point I made many months ago is there a player at Villa Park that has improved playing under Oleary if so name him. Therefore maybe, just maybe some of those we want to be shot of may become solid contributors under a decent manager.
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That's a point Robbo. On paper we have a pretty decent squad and some promising youngsters, but a lot of the established players seem to be lacking motivation, or don't get a look no matter how badly some players play (Berson, DJx2, Whitts).
There is something drastically wrong with the Club, that some players don't get picked, others have totally lost form and don't seem bothered and established stars look like a shadow of themselves. I could only guess why this is. 8-[
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Rank bad management is the only explanation for the total lack of confidence shown by some. It is the only explanation for Sorensen looking poor, Mellberg, Samuel,McCann,JPA. These players we good performers up to last season. Mellberg was one of the better defenders in 2002 World Cup. Now, the look a shadow of themselves. There has to be a common denominator.
Whereas earlier in the season you'd hope we'd score at least one, but bad defending would cost us, now scoring a goal is a premium. If we score how many of us would really expect us to hold out without conceding. The players do not look comfortable trying to get a first goal, so a second is out the question.
Another question, when was the last time in the league we came from behind to win?
We are at the wrong time of season to be showing this type of form. But this isn't a hindsight thing, because many people predicted that this would happen. This is a poor football team, showing relegation form just when we need them to show some bottle.
I said earlier in the season that we'd be 19th. I now think its 18th. Pessimistic? Well maybe. But if we lose Sunday, we're gonners. Win, and we're safe. How many of us really think we have what it takes to beat the Shit on Sunday? I really am dreading this game. A fired up team playing against us, wanting to exact revenge for earlier in the season, needing the points for themselves agaianst a powder puff team where all of a sudden we see a kid playing on the left wing when he is no better than a reserve team player, as our saviour?
Ladies and Gentleman. We are in deep trouble.
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And here's the rub, the game is on live over here and I suppose in JD land
now history tells me that if i watch we will lose so do i do the right thing and just go to bed early or do I hit the whisky early to numb the pain of watching?
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Yes Robbo, it is on live and at a reasonable time for us both (11pm for me, so I presume it is 9pm for you?). No work the day after either, so I feel that i have to stay up and watch it.
It will be like watching a very scary thriller. You know that something really bad is going to happen, you just don't know when. 8-[
I think I will have to stay up and watch it, because I know if I go to bed I will just be lying there thinking about the game anyway. I'm certainly not looking forward to it though.
And to think I used to get excited when live Villa games were on over here in NZ. Now I just get scared. ](*,)
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Back to your point Peter. I know all along you have said that we will be relegated and I agree that if we lose on Sunday we will truly be in trouble. The confidence will be shot through.
Why can't they just turn up and perform this week. All we are asking for is 100% commitment for 90 minutes, to beat the Dogs*#t. That's not too much to ask for is it?
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Well I really don't want to watch the game as I'll be a bag of nerves, but I won't be able to miss it. I'd be even worse if I didn't watch it. I'm s***ting myself already.
Its a 4pm kick-off here, so at least I won't have to spend as much of the day as you two with that sick feeling in my stomach.
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I'm so wound up after the game it's difficult getting to sleep and the other half won't oblige at that time of night so i might have to watch the next game. No work on Monday so no profit for the week sometimes I wish I was an employee. If we lose will DOL be sacked? i know he should be but will he? because i believed he would have got the chop if we had lost to the stripeys.
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No he won't be sacked. Neither should he. If we lose next Sunday there will be at lot of panicking behind the scenes. The last thing we want to do is create more panic, upheaval, uncertainty, etc by changing the manager.
The new person couldn't change players, try new free-kick/corner routines, formations, style of play etc etc as that takes weeks for players to get used to. He would have to stay as we were until the end of the season. We have to put up with what we've got and just play our hand the best way we know.
Its like a heads up game of Texas Hold 'em. The River has not helped, but we are slightly in the lead we think. But, the other player is betting strong and showing strength. We just call, and show our hands. Time to cross the fingers and hope we got it right.
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So, another day closer and the nerves are still there. I will try and take my mind off things at the weekend by going to watch Canterbury Crusaders in the Super 14 egg chasing comp (complementary tickets) on Saturday and will then go and watch Canterbury v Wellington in the semi final of the NZ football comp on Sunday afternoon.
Fingers crossed for a three out of three win ratio at the weekend, with Villa and both Canterbnury teams winning. [-o<
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just nipped in for a quickie single.
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Fuck me, I have not read a page of this since about 8, so, anyone want to re cap it for me please?
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pick up an Oxfrod English Dictionary, jumble the words around a bit and that is it.
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Lot's of things happened earlier in the thread Ozz, (Laughing Gravity reappeared) but it is now the property of the night shift, where we discuss anything and everything after you have all been tucked up in bed for the night. O:)
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I thought Drummond had spat the dummy and gone walk about and he turns up here. We do seem to attract the occassional malcontent on the night shift don't we. I'm expecting Slim Villain any minute now.
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Now that would make my afternoon Robbo. \:D/ It would certainly brighten it up.
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Says it all about our 'home' any ne'er-do-well just pops in wevery now and then. Like a bunch of pirates who are living by our own rules we allow them a few seconds.
However, if they fail to engage us after a few seconds then they are ejected. No more parlez.
Unless the mods decide to 'do a Martin' and summarily close us down. Remember those dark days Robbo, JD? When we had nowhere to go to when we were worried? We just had to fret on our own.
All I can say is thank-you Dave for allowing us to release our angst once more.
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I can understand Drummond trying to join our club because deservedly or otherwise he cops an awful bashing over on the dark siden we must seem like an oasis of commonsense. Any news on injuries? have we got players ready to return this week? i'm getting worried.
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As I said on another thread it has been suggested that Milner may be back. for me to be a little less pessimistic I'd want Mellberg, Delaney, Barry, Milner all back.
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As I said on another thread it has been suggested that Milner may be back. for me to be a little less pessimistic I'd want Mellberg, Delaney, Barry, Milner all back.
Yes read that Pete but would you put Milner straight back in for a full game after missing so much playing time?
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Preferably not Robbo. But if the alternative is to play Gardener or Agbonlahor then yes. I'd throw him in. We need abit more bite in there. If he doesn't start then by the time he inevitably gets on to the pitch we'll be 2 down. So, I'd rather we had him to start. If after an hour or so he needs to come off, then we can look at it again. But I don't think we can afford not to start him.
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FFS Pete, as Joe Strummer would probably have said, " Let's have some sleep now huh?"
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Agbonlahor please on sunday......if only so we can sing some of these chants....I woke up in the night trying to put his name to the tune of Postman Pat! I think I'm losing it Im so stressed about the wknd...... ](*,)
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I really hope he isn't playing. He is so obviously not ready. He is not good enough for the Championship yet and we hope that he is the man to step up and cause all sorts of problems against the Shit. One mis placed pass intothe box was the sum total of his weekends achievemenst and we have him down as the next big hope for us.
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I'm glad someone else added some realism re: Agbonlahor. One day he might become a quality striker, but on Sunday he did very little except run.
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We can't score we can't defend we are not waving we are drowning.
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The nightshift is going to bed.
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I'm glad someone else added some realism re: Agbonlahor. One day he might become a quality striker, but on Sunday he did very little except run.
Agree 100%
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I'm glad someone else added some realism re: Agbonlahor. One day he might become a quality striker, but on Sunday he did very little except run.
So doing more than all bar about 3 of the rest of the team then?
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Good Point!!!! =D>
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I'm glad someone else added some realism re: Agbonlahor. One day he might become a quality striker, but on Sunday he did very little except run.
So doing more than all bar about 3 of the rest of the team then?
Exactly, he might not be ready but he caused more problems for their defence than most of the rest.
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If we are to play Gabby, I would save him until the last 20 minutes ort so and tell him to chase everything. He doesn't look ready yet, but what he can do is open up space for other players, with his pace, especially late in a game.
I would hope that if Milner is not fit that Tangoman gets a start on the right handside of midfield.
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I'm glad someone else added some realism re: Agbonlahor. One day he might become a quality striker, but on Sunday he did very little except run.
So doing more than all bar about 3 of the rest of the team then?
Exactly, he might not be ready but he caused more problems for their defence than most of the rest.
Did he? He got behind Watson on more than one occasion and did nothing. That's not causing them problems. As I said one misplaced ball into the box was all he offered. Second half broke away down the left and could have either attacked the space got into the area, draw the defender and then pass, or invite the challenge and penalty. He did neither. He overran it. Granted he may have been nervous, trying too hard, a bit overawed, but it just shows he's not ready. Would you play Mark-Lewis francis just because he was quick?
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I just wanted to sing...
Ag-Bon-Lahor
How do you like it?
How do you Like it??? :-
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Too many syllables..
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for who?
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More More More
Ag----Bon---La-------------the 'hor' bit is one syllable too many. Sorry to burst your bubble!
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noo
you just have to say the lahor bit quick then it fits just fine....go on...try it..... :-({|=
More...More...More
Ag......Bon....lahor......
See? \:D/
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You must be tone deaf love sorry. \:D/
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:smt102 oh well....it worked for me \:D/
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I'm worried about that.
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Some women get worked up over nothing. But 8/10 for making the effort.
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I'm sorry but the logic of squeezing the name "Ag - bon - la - hor" in to a song with the original words "More, more more" when we actually have a player called "Moore" is completely beyond me.
I know we have that "Hey Jude" thing for Luke Moore but frankly its an appalling dirge and we should do better.
The old Gary Shaw one would work well for Gabby.....gets the ball, bound to score...
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Some women get worked up over nothing. But 8/10 for making the effort.
Oh thank you................... :-
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Seems Eto'o has left Barcelona...shame we couldnt afford the loan fee!!
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With the excitement of the weekend this thread had dropped to the 3rd page.
Today I am not as worried about our future as the knuckledraggers are about theirs. \:D/ O:)
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I think that it's time we came back down to earth. While i celebrated as much as anyone (well not quite it seems) my emotions were more of relief than anything else, and the problems we had before the destruction of the filth are still with us today. For me Oleary is still a crap manager, and we are still broke, lets not one win, no matter how satisfying, gloss over the desperate state our club is in. Oleary is already applying his own pressure on Ellis demanding the finances to get better players, one game doesn't change my opinion that I would not trust him to spend well or wisely. So come on call me a party pooper or even a miserable bastard but I am very worried about next season.
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Yoou're a party-pooping miserable bastard.
Must be something to do with being upside down.
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I think that it's time we came back down to earth. While i celebrated as much as anyone (well not quite it seems) my emotions were more of relief than anything else, and the problems we had before the destruction of the filth are still with us today. For me Oleary is still a crap manager, and we are still broke, lets not one win, no matter how satisfying, gloss over the desperate state our club is in. Oleary is already applying his own pressure on Ellis demanding the finances to get better players, one game doesn't change my opinion that I would not trust him to spend well or wisely. So come on call me a party pooper or even a miserable bastard but I am very worried about next season.
You could have least waited until Tuesday morning.
(or would that be wednesday for you?)
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I think that it's time we came back down to earth. While i celebrated as much as anyone (well not quite it seems) my emotions were more of relief than anything else, and the problems we had before the destruction of the filth are still with us today. For me Oleary is still a crap manager, and we are still broke, lets not one win, no matter how satisfying, gloss over the desperate state our club is in. Oleary is already applying his own pressure on Ellis demanding the finances to get better players, one game doesn't change my opinion that I would not trust him to spend well or wisely. So come on call me a party pooper or even a miserable bastard but I am very worried about next season.
You could have least waited until Tuesday morning.
(or would that be wednesday for you?)
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I think that it's time we came back down to earth. While i celebrated as much as anyone (well not quite it seems) my emotions were more of relief than anything else, and the problems we had before the destruction of the filth are still with us today. For me Oleary is still a crap manager, and we are still broke, lets not one win, no matter how satisfying, gloss over the desperate state our club is in. Oleary is already applying his own pressure on Ellis demanding the finances to get better players, one game doesn't change my opinion that I would not trust him to spend well or wisely. So come on call me a party pooper or even a miserable bastard but I am very worried about next season.
You could have least waited until Tuesday morning.
(or would that be wednesday for you?)
No indeed it is Tuesday morning with a clear blue sky looking out of the office window and tomorrow I will make the ultimate sacrifice by setting the alarm for 4.30 am to watch Merecers minors ( sorry wrong decade), our young fellows do battle with one of next years relegation candidates.
Will you please all get off my head.
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Is someone giving head - Is it that Raven woman?
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Not from this distance would be some sort of record. I am worried about the abandonment of this site on Sunday before and during the game had to resort to VT to get any information at all some of the mods could have at least taken lap tops to the game to keep us colonialists informed of late changes eg. Moore and Boama.
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I waited until after the game before deciding whether to log onto the site or not (if we hadn't won I wouldn't have bothered). It was quite strange though, logging in after 1am and still shaking from the game. I will be a lot calmer tomorrow. :-
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Morning all. After yesterday I'm worried that Portsmouth may not stay up now. I'm worried that a decent run-in will keep O Leary his job. I'm worried that baros will only go for £17m not £18m. Ahhh. 3-1. Job done. Please go down Shitty.
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Morning all. After yesterday I'm worried that Portsmouth may not stay up now. I'm worried that a decent run-in will keep O Leary his job. I'm worried that baros will only go for £17m not £18m. Ahhh. 3-1. Job done. Please go down Shitty.
But if they do who can we rely on to finish below us next year? We are treating this victory over a very poor and unwashed apponent as if we had won the european cup final and that is a worry. Ffs we still have the same crap chairman and the same crap manager we should be saying well done to the team especially the young kids but not forget why we were put in that position in the first place. The smug look on Ellis's face was sickening all he was worrying about was his share price.
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That sthe point though Robbo. The relief that not only have we beat the Shit, but we have ensured our safety on the back of it. We've put them into a bit more trouble- if only Portsmouth cold have gotten something out of last night, that could give the Shit a lift- we've had to endure 3 seasons of them coming across as the big 'I am'. Now we can throw it back in their face, and we will. Yes, come the end of the season we can reflect and know that changes need to be made. But, until we play tonight we will revel in the occasion.
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A truer indication will come tomorrow. We should beat Wigan, who to be honest look very poor at the moment. Let's see how everyone performs in this game. 8-[
I think it is relief more than anything else Robbo. Beating the Dogs#*t and at the same time literally maintaining our place in the premiership. I think that's half of the reason everyone is so happy about the result.
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Its strange how the games work out, as it was at this time earlier in the season I finally lost patience with O Leary. Beat the Shit and should have been looking forward to pushing on as our next game was at home to Wigan. Everything will be flat if we lose tonight. Especially the way we have been losing.
Two things will count in our favour though. Firstly, Portsmouth losing finally ends any lingering doubts of the most bizarre sequence of results relegating us. Secondly, and now more importantly, we have a better chance of winning. If the players had had a week of seeing/reading/talking about the Shit, and how good the result was, then it would have been harder for them to lift themselves for the next game. They would have been on a high for a week, knowing they were safe, and could have reflected on good personal performnces. Now, the next game is upon us. No time to reflect, no time to think the have finished the season.
I think the best thing that could happen to this team is a game straight away to clear their minds. Not saying we will win tonight. But, this is a chance for them to lay some foundations and to prove the have what it takes. if we win well, then we have a chance to finish strongly. Lose, and well, we know that this side is as bad as we fear.
Twice this season the Wigan game will tell us an awful lot about the team. lets hope its better this time round.
Oh, and either way, I still want O Leary out. Is Europe out of the question?
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I am worried about this site, the quality of the posts are in decline, we are now debating the colour of Mystics hair on one thread, in fact I blame Mystic for the decline she has turned usually sensible and and logical posters into wobbly jelly i'm sure she has been sent from the dark side to infiltrate and destroy us. Is she Dougs secret weapon? pretending to be one of us but really trying to make us impotent. Questions need to be asked before its too late.
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I agree. Johns kid has had an unsettlinginfluence since her quest for world domination. She's posting non-stop. I think she's actually an 18stone balding paedophile called Steve who is trying to find a new buzz, after being locked out of 'teenchat' for inappropriate behaviour.
Thing is Robbo, when you get to this part of the season its rarely worth being worried as nothing can affect us.. Not going to get much higher, and not going down. Take the positives out of every game, and unless we get a tonking then leave the vitriol until the end of the season now.
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Well I will be a lot happier if Wales get a result at the Sty tomorrow. I don't like Blackburn either (apart from Ryan Nelson) so I am going to have a lot of trouble supporting them in this one, but I will. 8-[
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I won't have any problem supporting Blackburn tonight JD. Despite my dislike of a few of their players I'd lovr to see Savage have a greta game, and score a couple in a 4-0 win.
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I am worried about this site, the quality of the posts are in decline, we are now debating the colour of Mystics hair on one thread, in fact I blame Mystic for the decline she has turned usually sensible and and logical posters into wobbly jelly i'm sure she has been sent from the dark side to infiltrate and destroy us. Is she Dougs secret weapon? pretending to be one of us but really trying to make us impotent. Questions need to be asked before its too late.
Deary me... DOL will be using that one next as an excuse for last nights disaster!!!! & I am not John Cravens Daughter! or Dougs secret weapon!!! \:D/ (or 18 stone paedophile, steve or other wise!)
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I am not John Cravens Daughter! or Dougs secret weapon!!! \:D/ (or 18 stone paedophile, steve or other wise!)
Me think she doth protest too much.
Anyway, only visit this thread if you're worried. Not if you're ona flighjt of fancy through the threads looking for somewhere to post. We guard this place viciously and don't take to outsiders very well.
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See what I mean she/he is everywhere we can't hide, this thread is our safety valve now we've been infultrated. The worrying won't stop Pete until Ellis and Oleary have gone, the summer will be especially worrying if
there is no positive news.
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Once the fog has lifted, or the misty, whichever, then we will have our solace.
If the takeover/sacking do not occur in the first 3 weeks then as happens every year we have that period of boring calm throughout June/July when nothing happens. If we head towards mid July then panic will ensue. I couldn't bear the start of another season with Ellis/ O Leary. That will mean certain relegation and plummeting crowd numbers.
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But surely this must place Ellis in a quandry if Oleary remains and he keeps the money in his pocket he would know that it will lead to thousands more relinquishing their season tickets making the club less attractive to any potential buyer.
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If O’Dreary isn’t sacked on the Monday after the Sunderland game, he will be after Ellis reads the letter he’ll receive from me at the end of the season.
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Can we have a preview? =P~
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Can we have a preview? =P~
No. I wouldn’t want to be open to accusations of ‘baiting’ or ‘trolling’.
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I wouldn't want you to pop up on every thread with it. :-
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and yes I am worried!!!
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What are you worried about MysticRaven? :-s
That Oscar Goldman is vying for World Domination like Dr Evil? :-
That BE is checking your grammar and spelling? #-o
That nothing will change at Villa next season? ](*,)
That some people think you are an 18 stone paedophile, or related to John Craven? [-(
To be on the nightshift thread you need to be very specific. :-
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I am somewhat concerned that this thread may come to an abrupt end, as one of my previous threads did courtesy of Mr Woodhall. So if any of you mungbeams want to start calling each other names please take it to another forum, this thread is for genuinely concerned Villa supporters who
wish to discuss their concerns in a robust but civilised manner. The night shift welcomes the discerning poster.
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Well fuck that for a game of soldiers.
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No swearing on this thread Drummond :-# , it's not for the naughty people you know. =;
Do you play soldiers Drummond? Are you the US and pretend you were responsible for winning every war ever fought when you play? :smt002
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As long as we're in the Prem we will be an attractive proposition for anyone. Its the'anyones' intentions that are the problem though. If somebody comes in they won't put in a small amount of money -Ie £10m or so as they would surely know that they wouldn't see much of a return for that. For the Comers to come in it would cost them say £40m- I quote this figure as not everyone would sell their shares- plus for them to get a return on the club they would neeed to pump in about £25-30m on players in the first season. So, for them to get anywhere they must know that £70m is needed. Do the Comers have that? Plus, upgrading of Bodymoor Heath. ANother £10m. So before we even get going they have to have £80m on the table. Minimum. The chancer Ray Ranson wouldn't have that, and would spiral us into debt to get us the players we need. Maybe with Langham at the helm we could have been steered better in this area, but the decision to remove smacks of the family cornershop managing to get rid of the troublesome area manager.
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Morning Peter.
Long term it is a worry isn't it. If someone does take over Villa then they need to have pots of cash to spare for upgrading players and facilities. I just get the impression that the Comers don't have a spare 30 - 40 million on top of the purchase price, to move us forward by improving the playing staff, training facilities etc.
I have said it before, if anyone is seriously thinking about taking over Villa, they are going to need 100million+ to buy and invest in the future of the club.
Time to start saving I think.
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Morning JD.
I agree. That has got to be the type of expenditure we're talking about. I think the Comers are trying to put together apackage, and may be even trying to find someone else to come in with them. If it was off we would have heard something by now. As businessmen they wouldn't want to make it sound that they do not have enough money as it could affect their dealings in the property market. So, they would have come out as well saying, 'Chairman not genuinely interested in selling'. 'Too high a price' etc etc So I do think its in the pipeline. Still.
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Isn't that our problem across the pitch, we have adequate players in most positions but no-one who is going to lead us to the promised land. Look at players that some rave about I will give my opinion.
Davis will be very good but not yet
Milner adequate and chases back but not brilliant
Moore have my doubts whether he will make it
Cahill needs to beef up but best so far
Abe needs more time
Baros Best mature player we have
Ridgewell Give him two more years
Thats our future, some promise but nowhere near ready. Looking at the rest of the squad there is not one player with enough quality to get us into the top four. This is not an anti DOL post as our squad reflects the amount of money made availeable for players and there is only one responsible for that.
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This ties in with here needing to be a lot of money put in to the club. taking your point on a bit further for next season for us to compete we need 2 centre-halves. Mellberg has had his day and needs replacing. Lescott is inexperienced and I don't think he's needed. We need 1 experienced centre-half at the very least. So lets put £5-7m on it. We need a wide left player - 5/6m and a central midfielder - £ 4-6m. Need a forward so lets say £5-7m. Thats just to compete this season. So £25m gone. Now we have to look at the goalkeeper, right-back, right side of midfield,and that second centre-half. Probably another £15m. So for this side to be even remotely competitive we need a minimum of £40m spent on players IMO, and that's a conservative estimate.
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And yet we were getting exited less than twelve months ago when we thought he was releasing twelve million for players.
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True. But we were 10th the season before, and thought that 8 new players would allow us to build on that. The manager and his incapability ensured the opposite was true.
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Yeah, but we've got Eric Djemba-Djemba though 8-[
Seriously though, I think that Lescott may be a good player, but is he any better than Ridgewell & Cahill?
If we are to sign a new central defender I would honestly like us to sign a quality and experienced Premier League player, for instance Distan.
Given the choice though, it would be great if Delaney, Mellberg and Laursen were all injury free, giving us lots of options and allowing us to spend money elsewhere.
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Morning JD, we've had two injury plagued seasons from Laursen. More from the perennially injured Delaney, which leaves a waning Mellberg. i think its imperative to get two centre-halves. Lescott maybe, but like you I don't know if he's good enough yet. One who is is Curtis Davies at the A lbion. Out of the two I'd much rather have him. No, to Distin, how about a bid for Silvestre?
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Talking to Albion fans I know, they reckon Davis is a decent CB with potential but is very dodgy at times and whenever I see Lescott he always has a good game from memory.
I think that Lescott is a more steady option because of the amount of games he's played in relation to Davis, fair enough they might not be at premier league level but he has been a first choice centre back for the last 3/4* seasons and had to deal with partners such as the ever ropey Craddock beside him.
*Not including the brief stay in the top flight
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I'm worried that not enough of my fellow Villains are worried enough to post on this thread. Has apathy raised it's ugly head do you all think that just because we have now found safety that you can breath a collective sigh of relief and celebrate because of the demise of the unwashed. You will ignore this thread at your peril because I can see you all getting that relaxed your almost comotose. The buy a season ticket next year rumours have started already and some that were ready to burn the Ellis stand down last week have now been coaxed in to rumour threads about possible signings, maintain the rage i say, fill the stadium with protest banners, invade the pitch after the final whistle, rip the Doug Ellis Stand sign down, if only I could be there.
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Ahh Robbo. The days when players were shot on the pitch in a Villa game have long since gone. But, what a bunch of rapscallions we were then. I, like you, retain my worry. It seems odd that the only worried ones are those of us overseas. Saying that it was 35 C yesterday, likely to be the same today, finish work at 2.30, then onto the balcony at home, with a beer, and some relaxation. I'm trying to still worry, Robbo, I truly am...but...its ....just.....so..........warm.
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Sorry, I'm still worried, but haven't posted a lot over the weekend with Villa having no game and being at a funeral etc. I was pis#ed off to say the least that Everton did not beat the Dogs#*t and technically we are still not safe with only three games to go. I was hoping that we could have gone into the game against Man City relaxed in the fact that we couldn't possibly go down, but alas it was not to be ](*,)
I keep reading about who going to sign next season, but if we couldn't afford to keep Bakke on loan where the hell will the money come from? It makes you wonder who's leaving 8-[ so we can sign anyone. That makes me anxious as I am already thinking about the small squad and other excuses that will be coming out of DO'L if he stays at the Club. :-k
It is raining here today (first for weeks and really needed), after being 26c and sunny at the weekend. Not quite as hot as you Peter, but not bad for mid Autumn.
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Hot? 35 C? Meh.
I think this is possibly the first end of season/pre season time we're the majority of fans are pessimistic. Or is that cynical? I don't think anybody believes much of what will be said at the end of the season, "Try harder next year", " Worst season for a long time, but we'll all....", during the World Cup is when we have to keep our eyes on the situation at VP. If we don't get taken over then, then we won't. It isn't going to happen in late July, as we have got to put some money on the table to improve the team. Doug won't do it if there is the possibility of a takeover, and in any case, the money probably isn't there.
So, just like us all season, we're in limbo. I think this is the reason we didn't splash the cash in Jan, Doug not willing to spend money less it diminshes his return in the the event of a takeover.
Its frustrating but there will be little optimism, hope even, if we start the season with the same background staff-board and management- as this season. Then we will all have something to worry about.
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Guess we must just hope for better things next season! [-o<
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Bloody hell Misty that will never make it onto the Hedalines on Newsround. This isn't the thread for hope. This is only the thread where you are allowed to worry. You can worry about your Dads waning working opportunities, you can worry the police are closing in on your internet peccadillos, you can worry that whoever in Eastenders, is doing whatever, to whom ever. You can worry that Iran may indeed attempting to procure nuclear weapons. You can worry that the onset of a new world order will be challenged by the States, which will lead to a nuclear war of their making. You can worry about the economy, pensions, crime. You can worry about Michael Owens foot, Beckhams ability, Ashley Cole's availability, Steven Gerrards under achieving in an England shirt. Heck, you can even worry that each and every word that you type will be studiously marked by BE with him in his half-rimmed, gold-dipped NHS specs. you may even worry about Villa. Any Villa. The one you want to stay in in Spain in the summer, Ricky in his latest illness- if he is ill, Villareal in their European Cup exploits.
BUT NEVER, EVER, EVER COME HERE WITH HOPE. [-X
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OK then...in that case I'm worried we may not have any hope for next season... :-
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OK then...in that case I'm worried we may not have any hope for next season... :-
there you go
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I'm worried that Mystic may become a regular, she's taking over I tell ya.
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Are we safe yet?
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Mathematically: No.
Realistically: Empatically yes.
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Interlopers.
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I still can't believe how badly we played against Man City, for the fourth time this season. This was a team who haven't won for ages and had not scored a goal away from home for about six or seven games. ](*,) ](*,)
Why do we always play so badly against Man City? 8-[
I'm so angry and pis#*d off. I was hoping that we could go into the last two weeks of the season, totally safe from relegation. We couldn't even manage that and now we are reliant on other teams keeping us up, as I have no faith we will get another point this season.
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Not sure what pissed me off the most. The fact that here we were at home to a side that had lost 6 or 7 on the bounce. AT BLOODY HOME. Needing one point to ensure our survival. In the second half one of the stats that the Prem now insit on throwing down our throats...Villa shots on target - 6 Man City shots on target - 15. FFS! AT HOME. AT BASTARD HOME. Against a team on a losing streak who were one point and one place above us!!!! Useless shower of shite.
The other thing that pissed me off is that I've now completed season of having to stay up until 2am, 3am before the clocks went forward, had 4 or so hours sleep, and I cannot remember Villa winning once. not once. We got a 1-1 draw at Fratton Park when we made Portsmouth look like Barcelona- apart from their finishing.
So, I've seen the majority of Villa games on the telly. I've had enough of being fucked off. Sitting in front of the telly talking to myself and muttering the same words game in game out, " For Fucks sake", "This is shit", "C'mon Villa! Oh for fuck sake", and the favourite,"WHy do I fucking bother".
If I can feel this from t'other side of the world, then is it any wonder the attendances are dropping.
Surely O Leary knows that his time is up. The unthinkable can still happen and the finger points in one direction and in one direction only. For once the sick, tired old man can breathe easy as its not his blood we're after this time. Just that clueless, snub-nosed frigger who is dragging this clubs name through the mud with his dire ineptitude. 2 games to go, likely to go to the last game of the season to stay up. Then, twat, fuck-off.
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I think your first paragraph with the stats brings home the true reality of our position and how far we have deteriorated as the season has progressed. You can expect it against United or Chelsea but FFS Man city.
It makes horrible reading when you see it in black and white.
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Not sure if its a deteriation Robbo, or just a continuation. When you look at a list that is portsmouth away, West Ham away, Everton away, West Ham at home, Boro at home, Arsenal away, Doncaster, ManCity away, Man City at home, Man City away, Man City at home, A lbion at home, Fulham at home, Bolton at home after the first 10 mins, Man U at home, Tottenham at home 2nd half, all examples of ineptitude Villa performances. Its been happening all season.
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Very true, I just looked back a few months and we were really arguing for Olearys head in October. If you remember some said give him til Christmas and then we had a mini revival. Short as it was it has saved us from relegation. God what a year.
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Its been a terrible couple of years really. The writing was on the wall last season, but no heed was paid to it. We are a declining club because of Ellis, and team because of O leary. Everyone can see it. But, as we, the fans, are the only ones who really feel the hurt, we are the only ones that care.
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Now I do not want to stir the pot here but C.S and Drummond are noticeable by their absence over the last couple of days. My question is have they turned?
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I think Chris is in rehersals for his next panto. You'll see him in 'The liar, the prick, and his snubbed nose' from next August.
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Villa fan... member of the Labour party.
All I need to do now is take up poultry farming and I'm on a hat-trick
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Right you are :-k
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Keep taking the tablets Damon they kick in after a couple of weeks.
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Never mind tablets. Aston Villa make me want to smoke crack
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Now I do not want to stir the pot here but C.S and Drummond are noticeable by their absence over the last couple of days. My question is have they turned?
Drummond hasn't been around much lately, I think he got pissed off with all the shit stirring. I've been busy so haven't been able to post much before today but then I don't bother much with this thread because it's now just a parody of what it once was.
My view hasn't changed; I said months ago that I'd give things until the end of the season although with only two games remaing I've pretty much decided.
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Never mind tablets. Aston Villa make me want to smoke crack
So you're now saying that you're a member of the Conservative Party?
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although with only two games remaing I've pretty much decided.
Ooh you tease!
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Now I do not want to stir the pot here but C.S and Drummond are noticeable by their absence over the last couple of days. My question is have they turned?
Drummond hasn't been around much lately, I think he got pissed off with all the shit stirring. I've been busy so haven't been able to post much before today but then I don't bother much with this thread because it's now just a parody of what it once was.
My view hasn't changed; I said months ago that I'd give things until the end of the season although with only two games remaing I've pretty much decided.
[-X Ohhh no it isn't
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Never mind tablets. Aston Villa make me want to smoke crack
So you're now saying that you're a member of the Conservative Party?
steady on, things aren't that bad
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Yes your stats are well and truly depressing Peter. We can't even dominate at home against a team who haven't scored away from home in ages. We sink any lower and we will be able to play our home games on the decks of the Titanic.
I'm soooo looking forward to out trip to Anfield this weekend.
Actually to be honest, I'm very pleased I have a race on Sunday morning, to take my mind off it.
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I'm eagerly awaiting the game on Saturday. I have been ever since we lost at home on Tuesday. Nothing to do with confidence, or the love of watching the Villa, but more that I want the games to come around thick and fast so that we can get to safety. I don' think anyone is confident of anything but this going to the final day.
I don't think Wigan will win at home to Portsmouth. It'll be 1-1, or 1-2. At the moment I'll take the draw and let the Shit and Portsmouth fight it out amongst themselves on the last day. Howevre, if we can keep the defeat down to a 1, or 2 goal margin, as unlikely a scenario as that is. Then I'll take a Portsmouth win, and hopefully that will be enough to keep us up.
This time last season we were discussing whether to start with Agbonlahor at Anfield as it was the last game, whether DJ x2 should play. Not sure if people remember. We expected to give the prospective European CupWinners a decent game. We did in parts. 2-1 and looked okay. This season, in a measure of how much we've dropped off the pace, we are all seemingly looking for a 1 or -0 defeat. Disgraceful. ANYONE, who thinks that that is the result of Ellis's tenure is deluding themself. We have gone this way because of O Leary and Aitken.
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We could be positive and say that if we had finished a respectable but mediocre twelth to fourteenth we would have nothing to worry about but we would still have Oleary next year. So this is the question as we are now with the worry still over us but Oleary almost certainly gone or no worries but Oleary here next year. Your choice.
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Obviously the former. because the longer we have the clueless one in charge the worse we will become. Therefore, we are only delaying the worry. We need to be worried now and still be with a chance of being in the Prem. Rather than being worried and being in the Shit's or the A lbion's position. Which, if O Leary is still here next year, we are likely to be faced with.
Let's have the wory now when we can do something about it, and when the next manager has a chance to save the team and turn around its fortunes.
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Phew, 8-[ at least we are safe for this season.
Now it's time to get the prayer mats out and hope for a new owner [-o< a new manager =D> and some new players. \:D/
If nothing changes before the start of next season then I will be more than worried about our future.
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Never mind tablets. Aston Villa make me want to smoke crack
So you're now saying that you're a member of the Conservative Party?
If it were a Conservative smoking crack it would be "Tory Sleeze". If one of Blair's cronies was caught doing it it's a "Private Matter".
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I am very worried that Ellis may still be with us for the forseeable future.
I think this weeks programme will say that he has decided to stay on for the benefit of the club and all HIS loyal supporters.
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No please not.
Hopefully HDE will say that he has agreed to sell the Club and announce that we have a great new owner, who is investing 30 million into the club for new players for next season. \:D/
More likely will be that he will say he will be stepping down and his Son will be taking over the reins (but we will all know who will still be in control), until a new owner has been found. ](*,)
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No please not.
Hopefully HDE will say that he has agreed to sell the Club and announce that we have a great new owner, who is investing 30 million into the club for new players for next season. \:D/
More likely will be that he will say he will be stepping down and his Son will be taking over the reins (but we will all know who will still be in control), until a new owner has been found. ](*,)
Magnificent, a son who has admitted he has no interest in Aston Villa will be the standard bearer of the club.
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Well thank God that's all over. The Shit have gone down. \:D/
Except it doesn't feel how I thought it would. I can see too many similarities between the way the team/club turned into a shambles in the mid 80's for me to care just that our rivals have gone down. If we were to go next season, we would not be back for a while. The whole place needs restructuring. The club the size of Aston Villa FC are being run like a family cornershop, or how you would expect Alvechurch to be run. nepotism over professionalism seems to be the mainstay of the boardroom.
Big, big changes are needed unless we want to go into the next campaign staring at 9 months of inevitability.
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That's whats worrying, if reports are to be believed and Curbishly gets the Viila job it puts an end to any takeover for the forseeable future. If there were potential owners out there then no way would Ellis be involved in appointing another manager. Curbishly would suit doug down to the ground needs very little money to keep us mid table.
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The worrying thing though robbo is that I would happily snap your arm off if i was offered a mid-table finish. If O Leary is in charge we're in trouble. If Curbishley is in charge then the feel-good factor we'll last for a month or so. Then it would be back on track. Not only has the ambition completely gone from the club, so has the optimism. That is what's dangerous. It doesn't matter how good a manager is, if the club is in a state of torpor then he will be struggling. Especially if he is given no money to spend.
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I am convinced though Pete that our squad is not as bad as our table position indicates, where I disagree with many posters is the position that most needs attention and to me that is midfield. We will never know whether Angel or Baros are good operators together until we get the supply situation sorted.
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Oh, I agree, 100%. I started a poll on this in the season. Our midfield is the big problem. With McCann doing the holding job our centre-halves are far too exposed. How many 'ave-it's have we seen from them this season. The reason being there is no one 5 yards in front of them to collect the ball. Two possible reasons- McCann is crap in possession so it would be a waste anyway. The other is that the manager has said to the centre halves to knock the balls into the channels for the front two to run on to. That has been our tactic for a few years now. I think the other teams may have cottoned onto it.
Davis is progressing nicely and I think someone to take some of the workload off his young shoulders would benefit him, and the team. Its easy to forget that this is his first full season. He's scored goals, become an International regular, and yet some want to criticise him. Unbelievable.
The other area of worry is creativity. Milner will get better -if he's ours to keep. But the standard of crossing from Milner at the moment is only average. The standard from barry, whatever we think of him as a player, is abysmal. We do not tend to score many goals with attacking football because our delivery into the box is inconsistent. Out of 10 attempts we tend to get the ball into the box 4 or 5 times. What is poor, though, is that there is a huge difference between crossing the ball, and just putting it in the box. One of our better crossers of the ball is Hughes, but he doesn't do it regularly enough. Milner second. But too many times we see the ball aimlessly put into the box, rather than the crosser actually picking out a player, or delivering the ball into the danger area. We're not nearly good enough in doing this.
Therefore the forwards we have, who are by no means rubbish have to get themselves out of the positions that they would like to because of a regular failing of this football team. The midfield is a huge weak link.It has been for a few seasons now.
Oh, and their fitness in general has been woeful. Save Milner.
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It is true. We need a defensive midfield player, who can tackle, pass (to his own players) and get around the field. Someone like Dacourt. He is the type of player we should be signing to plug the huge gap that appears in the centre of the park every time we play.
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I've watched Solano very closely since he went back to the barcodes and one thing he always does is find his man. Very rarely do you see a Solano pass go astray which cannot be said for any other Villa player. I believe we have missed him more than we thought we would.
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If there are not ant any changes on high in the close season we will be shopping around for the Bakkes of this world. Not the Dacourts.
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If there are not ant any changes on high in the close season we will be shopping around for the Bakkes of this world. Not the Dacourts.
It all sounds very grubby, grovelling around in the shit hoping to find something worth having.
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Hence I cannot get too excited about the Shit going down. Whilst we are sinking its impossible to feel the slightest bit jubilant about anybody elses demise. As good as I know the feeling should be.
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My joy on them going down lasted for one day and then I read that Reading, Sheff Utd, West Ham etc are all talking about spending millions in the Summer. 8-[
My heart sank, knowing that if we don't spend money we will be even futher in the mire next season. ](*,)
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The first few days , maybe the first week or two will give us a flavour of what to expect later in the summer. If Doug moves quickly to get rid of O Leary then it is a sign that a) Doug is staying but B) A new manager. If its all quiet then the longer we go into the summer then the more likely that O Leary will stay.
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The first few days , maybe the first week or two will give us a flavour of what to expect later in the summer. If Doug moves quickly to get rid of O Leary then it is a sign that a) Doug is staying but B) A new manager. If its all quiet then the longer we go into the summer then the more likely that O Leary will stay.
Are you deliberately setting out to depress me?
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Well if we are all doom and gloom merchants, surely any news, ANY, can only be good. Its a psychological masterstroke.
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It concerns me that HDE is saying we have to sell before we can buy anyone. We are either going to sell our fringe players (Hendrie, DJx2 etc) and only have enough money to buy a new Subbuteo Team, or we are going to cash in on our biggest assets Baros, Davis etc and not be able to replace them in time.
It is not looking good for next season and this one isn't even over. ](*,)
Go on Doug, please surprise us and get rid of DO'L and then find 25 million under your desk, for the new Manager [-o<
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Lets hope that Baros has a greta World Cup. Then we can flog him and use that money to puimp back into the transfer kitty. maybe even mellberg too. But this isn't the thread to have hope on.
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The only problem I have with selling players like Baros and Mellberg Peter is who are we going to replace them with? Neither have had a particularly great season (understatement), but they are both class players.
O'Leary would probably replace them with Michael Bridge and Gary Brean. ](*,)
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Totally agree JD. However, it is clear that if there is no takeover, and I don't think there are many people left who think that there is, then Doug will not open his pension for us to spend. So, if we are to try and reinvest into the team then we need to sell those that will give us decent money. A good World Cup could see us sell Baros for £10m, Mellberg for about £4-£5m tops. £15m to spend would be enough to see us get a couple of decent players plus 1 or two extra squad players.
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But can you trust the Snub Nosed One to spend the said 15 million wisely and bring us glory? :-
Thought not. O:)
If we had a new Manager, say Curbs or O'Neill, then I would feel confident that if Mellberg & Baros left then they would be replaced by players (maybe more than 3) that would improve our squad and make our future better.
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Yeah, that's the only worry. But I'm working under the impression that O leary will have gone. Optimism I know and theres no room for that on this thread.
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Ah, tis a sad day when I have to log on in the day time dandies hours and find that they completely igmore the one thread where we can all share our angst. Legion you used to pop in every now and then, but even you have abandoned us.
I'll put it down to it being the silly season. One game left no-one gives a shite. More reason to be worried in my eyes. The lethargy and apathy that is a byword-or words-for Aston Villa have resurfaced.
Is it only me or have the rumblings that have been coming out of VP regarding the manager and chairman still being ere come the start of the new season relly disheartened us all? Yes I know we'll get lots of "No, fuck 'em there gone" type posts, but do we really believe it? Really?
Maybe its because I'm miles away and can only pick up drips of info but I'm already starting to feel disillusioned about next season. Chris's belief that O Leary will be given at least until christmas will relegate us. As I said before this is shades of 86-87.we survive the season before by the skin of our teeth whilst the A lbion and the Shit go down. The foolowing year the manager was replaced in September following a 6-0 thrashing at Forest, and a 4-1 thumping at home to Norwich. Not unforseeable to think this lot and this manager will be involved in us being thrashed next season is it? Then are options are limited. A club that has a downward momentum and a losing mentality is difficult to shake up. Nigh on impossible.
Worried? You bet. I think the next few weeks will shape our next season. We cannot afford to do noyhing. Ellis cannot afford to leave O Leary in charge. We, as a club, cannot afford to keep Ellis in charge for too much longer. We are decaying before our very eyes. Do they not care?
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I'm a bit busy at the moment with my business venture at www.spiderlines.com [as well as fretting over www.olearyout.com in my spare time as Sunday beckons....] so my time on this Board is substantially less (I read every day, but post little)! Plus I'm very disillusioned with the Villa. You're worried? I'm beyond terrified. If O'Leary is at the helm next season, we're DOOMED!
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I'm even starting to miss Jon Fear and red cards! That is a worry!!!
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Pete, to say I'm unimpressed is to put it lightly. If DOL stays I'll be pissed off. If we sign Heskey, as muted on here earlier, then I'll be fucking savage, as my Uncle says.
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You're gonna fuck savage? That's a bit above and beyond don't you think?
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Well, he is a blonde.
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Evening nightcrawlers.
Today we have heard on here: -
DOL "proud" of his achievement in keeping us up
DOL definatly stopping next season
Emile Heskey rumoured to join us next season.
Its fair to say I'm worried !!!
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Evening Dave.
Definitely not the easiest of days to be optimistic if you're a Villa fan.
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Hopefully things will become clear(er) on Sunday!
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At 5:00 pm on Sunday we could be confirmed in 17th place !!
As a Villa fan I find myself saying every summer is important but this one is critical !!
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fucking hell fire if heskey comes here doug and dol can say goodbye to my season ticket . heskey is one of the reasons we aint gone down
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Heskey? No way.
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anyone but heskey
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looks like O Leary's winning. If we start discussing his potential buys we are giving tacit acceptance to him being here next season. The conversation then becomes about the transfers and not him. 1-0 O leary.
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good point well made. it is scarey tho HESKEY!
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I started a thread a few weeks ago asking who people would prefer, Mourinho or Ronaldinho. Wonder what the results would be if the question was O Leary or Heskey? With neither not being an option!
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We can always let Heskey rot in the reserves whereas O'Leary would be running the show.
I think the only person I want less at Villa Park then Heskey is O'Leary !!
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I don't wish to be premature in this, but drink does have the effect to make you maudlin..
If we sign Heskey, no clapping, no singing, no acknowledgement of him playing for Aston Villa FC. I'll be damned if I'll abide Emile 'nose' Heskey playing for us.
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Yet we'd take 'nose' Curbishley as boss?
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Yet we'd take 'nose' Curbishley as boss?
We took him as a player but that was in the days when there was not a hatred of all things blue.
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Pete , what you have to realise is this thread is a senctuary where Villa people can come and be consoled by we who have long experience of being worried. Since the beating of the unwasd many of those that should be more than worried have been wallowing in a false glory thinking that now we are safe and the sty are down we can feel all smug and comfortable. Those thinkers amongst us know only too well that we are on a collision with disaster. If Oleary is still in charge next season we may have trouble posting because the system may overload with fans looking for sanctuary.
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I didn't think there was anything the Villa could do that would stop me going down there (even if not with a season ticket) but signing Heskey is it.
I mean, HESKEY??? Blose Heskey? Carthorse Heskey? Malco Heskey? Heskey-cannot-stay-upright-Heskey?
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Robbo, you're right we have been the harbingers of doom for a while now. We are the guardians of the worry. I fear for everyone else when the penny that we should be worrying ourselves silly finally hits home.
Watching Leeds-Preston last night was scary. I mean Division Shite, or whatever its called, and the football wasn't particularly skillful, or good. The scary thing was it was the football we've been watching all season at Villa. If no-one fails to see that then hey really are deluding themselves. Ellis is irrelevant. W won't go do down next season because he's in charge, he'll simply be the reason we're not pushing on. We'll go down because of the clown and his acolytes. No tactics that are obvious, no plan B when we need to change things, no fight, no bottle, no fitness. Its plain to see what is the very least that needs to be changed in the summer.
The takeover? Well unless Duog surprises us tomorrow I'd expect it to be dead in the water. But, something still there nagging away at the back of my brain. No official announcement either way, and no news is usually good news. I really cannot believe that two successful and wealthy businessmen would allow there stock to be under so much scrutiny, and then to lose face by being tod they have no money. No serious business people would accept that loss of face. Any other possible takeovers have ended with accusation and counter accusation. This has been strangely sudued. So, have the Irishmen just disappeared and allowed themselves to go into their next business venture with all and sundry knowing how much they do and do not have? Or is it possible that it has been decided to wait until the seasons over, the club not wanting any more rocky waters whilst the team is struggling?
Never a dull moment supporting this club. Lets hope the above scnario is true. Because if not, the upheaval of next season could kill Doug, and will leave us prime for a Ranson esque plundering. Then, we will be in big big trouble.
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Heskey The Sack Of Spuds? Doooooooom!!!! ](*,)
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The takeover? Well unless Duog surprises us tomorrow I'd expect it to be dead in the water. But, something still there nagging away at the back of my brain. No official announcement either way, and no news is usually good news. I really cannot believe that two successful and wealthy businessmen would allow there stock to be under so much scrutiny, and then to lose face by being tod they have no money. No serious business people would accept that loss of face. Any other possible takeovers have ended with accusation and counter accusation. This has been strangely sudued. So, have the Irishmen just disappeared and allowed themselves to go into their next business venture with all and sundry knowing how much they do and do not have? Or is it possible that it has been decided to wait until the seasons over, the club not wanting any more rocky waters whilst the team is struggling?
After reading this, I feel unusually optimistic again.
Thank you Peter.
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The takeover? Well unless Duog surprises us tomorrow I'd expect it to be dead in the water. But, something still there nagging away at the back of my brain. No official announcement either way, and no news is usually good news. I really cannot believe that two successful and wealthy businessmen would allow there stock to be under so much scrutiny, and then to lose face by being tod they have no money. No serious business people would accept that loss of face. Any other possible takeovers have ended with accusation and counter accusation. This has been strangely sudued. So, have the Irishmen just disappeared and allowed themselves to go into their next business venture with all and sundry knowing how much they do and do not have? Or is it possible that it has been decided to wait until the seasons over, the club not wanting any more rocky waters whilst the team is struggling?
After reading this, I feel unusually optimistic again.
Thank you Peter.
It is a good point from Peter although not quite enough to make me optimistic, it does still give me reason to think all is not lost. Doug did say that a price had been agreed and the stumbling block was when he asked for certain guarantees about future funding - which is ironic given the amount he's (not) put in over the years!
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After reading this, I feel unusually optimistic again.
Thank you Peter.
Well what you doing on this thread then ??? :smt002
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Oooh Page 172 !!!!
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Oi. Don't start. You weren't here on Pages 151-169, so now that the nightcrawlers have dragged us towards the 200 mark you daylight dandies are getting all excited again. Robbo, JD, we knew this would happen. We need to devise a plan to make sure it is one of thr triumvirate that carries this baby over the 200 threshold.
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Yes I think that Woodhall is counting the posts in anticipation. Glory hunter.
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Whereas I agree with you Chris, and yes Ellis stated what he did about future funding, but we do not know the ins and outs of what's on the table and what's been offered. You'd think that if the offer was as derisory as the Ranson bid it would have been dismissed immediately.Altrnatively, if what Ellis was asking was impossible for the Comers to match, for the sake of their stock, and worth, they would have categorically stated that the deal broke down due to the intransigence of Ellis. For businessmen to not say anything but merely toddle away with their tales between the legs seems quite far-fetched for me.
Obviously I am purely speculating but in the dog eat dog world of business managemnet, and the hostile nature of takeovers, whether forced or accommodated, it is too quiet from the Comers to imagine they have been beaten up by an Octagenarian and left with their pride being shot to threads. If this is the case then they are fly by night monkeys, but that I do not believe.
However, if I'm wrong, expect me to take this thread from pages 172 to 250 single handedly.
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If the news on sunday is to do with the takeover, should it not be made available to all shareholders & the stock exchange first? Which as we all know doesn't open til monday morning.
Lets hope it's a public sacking. Ceasar style [-o<
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shut up peterw you're just the nightwatchman remember, the real men will come in for the glory!
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If the news on sunday is to do with the takeover, should it not be made available to all shareholders & the stock exchange first? Which as we all know doesn't open til monday morning.
Which is exactly why the news can't be anything firm one way or the other regarding the takeover.
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Even if DOL is given significant funds by the sales of Mellberg and Baros - as discussed a few pages ago.
Think what this guy brought when given money at Leeds - Dubbery, Seth Johnsen, Danny Mills - together cost about £15 million...
:-k
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That's another scary scenario. With his track record would you expect him to use the money well? We'd get Bakke, Milner,Bridges,Sutton,Heskey,Duberry,Molenaar.
FFS if he likes Leeds so much why not get Kewell, Ferdinand, well actually those two would be a good start.
Actually how about Hasselbaink and Viduka?
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That's another scary scenario. With his track record would you expect him to use the money well? We'd get Bakke, Milner,Bridges,Sutton,Heskey,Duberry,Molenaar.
FFS if he likes Leeds so much why not get Kewell, Ferdinand, well actually those two would be a good start.
Actually how about Hasselbaink and Viduka?
I suppose you will be able to watch the protest game live on Al Jazeera.
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Its on Supersports 3. A South African channel. Its a full coverage re run though straight afetr the Liverpool game. Just going round to a mates place now with a few tinnies. Villa shirt on, missus doing other ting to occupy herself.
As Brucie wouls say,"We have our game, all we need now are our players".
Bloodt-hell. Better get a move on. Come on Villa end this turgid season witha good win.
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Game wasn't on here in NZ, so I will have to wait for the highlights? 8-[ tonight. No doubt it will be about 30 seconds worth of coverage and the majority of the show will be about Henry and the Arsenal.
So, no real announcement made by Doug. Still the week is young and we live in hope. [-o<
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Drummond, you upset my friend Peter and we will declare Utu on you. O:) Beware.
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crikey, there's a quake in my boots.
Anyway, where did he say he was upset? I see no declaration of jihad.
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I now declare page 173 open!
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Peter has declared loads of jihads Drummond. None of them have come to anything though. I'm still waiting for mine. :-
I know you haven't upset Peter yet, but if you steal his thunder onto Page 200 you will. [-X
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I now declare page 173 open!
How did you know that would happen? :-k
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haven't you seen the other thread? I am Christ.
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haven't you seen the other thread? I am Christ.
I'll have to search it out.
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Oi, I allowed you off the Jihad Srummond as, like the borg, you are one of three on this thread. We're the ones who keep the dream alive. From the morning, through the evning, til the end of the night, brimful of Peter on the, Worried thread, its a brimful of Peter on the, morning thread, its a ....yeah I Leave it there.
Drummond, the jihad on you has been sent up to the man in the caves but was rejected due to lack of evidence. So you're okay.
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Morning Peter. Drummond is ok for the moment, but if he comes on our thread being all threatening then maybe we can call up Mazrim to rip off his arm and beat him with it. \:D/
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Morning JD I agree. Mazrim seems a pretty bitter chap. So, we'll have to employ him as our pitbull. Kind of like a gimp with attitude... :-
For now though I hope calling him Srummond will show that we aren't to be messed with.
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Peter, Mazrim is a lovely chap. He has a heart of gold and would do anything to be given the chance to push DO'L down the Holte stairs. I do hope his wish comes true. [-o<
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Right, that's my shift over. I'm off home now. Have a great day everyone. \:D/
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Until the morrow JD...
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27 to go....
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Whoa there...thats the attitude of you daylight dandies. Seeing the glory whilst not respecting the hard work of the night watchmen worriers. This is an open declaration of war.
We wil have our day. We will take it to Page 200. its like when a pace setter go outs and nobody follows him, and he stays on to win the race.
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I would as a member of the gang of three give Mystic the honour if she produces the long awaited photograph. Call me fickle if you like.
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Robbo I can only presume its your advancing years that is leading into the honey trap that has been the downfall of oh so many posters on her. Stay alert. I'm going to have to discuss your memberaship of the triumvirate with JD. They've found our soft spot -no, that's not another dig at your age :smt002
it really is a worry.
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Long slog this, all about Crease occupation. play everything with a straight bat and don't score too quickly, Boycott would be proud \:D/
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That's the attitude you'd expect from you English. Long drawn out boring cricket. It takes an Aussie, New Zealander, and a pakistani to show you the way forward.
Ever since the demise of laughing dancing wavy gravy davy you have had nobody to step up and become a big hitter.
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We're in for the long haul Matt and won't change tact unless Laughing Gravity or Slim Villain show their hand. Then we will become sloggers. O:)
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Give them a flash of the blade and haul the doubters through extra cover I say.
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I'm sure we will gain momentum OIT once we approach the double ton, but we need to be careful that the day shift don't hijack the thread. 8-[
Still if DO'L is fired we will gather momentum very quickly.
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Robbo I can only presume its your advancing years that is leading into the honey trap that has been the downfall of oh so many posters on her. Stay alert. I'm going to have to discuss your memberaship of the triumvirate with JD. They've found our soft spot -no, that's not another dig at your age :smt002
it really is a worry.
You will find young man that at a certain age women become Mona Lisa like and you admire from a distance because the truth is they don't take you seriously anymore. ASK YOUR DAD.
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Personally, I'm still a little worried!
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That's the spirit Dean. I'm too still very worried about the future of Villa. It could be the Winter of discontent over the next few months (or Summer for those of you in the Northern Hemisphere). ](*,)
Robbo, you should be ashamed of yourself, [-X flirting with young ladies young enough to be your Daughter. =P~
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That's the spirit Dean. I'm too still very worried about the future of Villa. It could be the Winter of discontent over the next few months (or Summer for those of you in the Northern Hemisphere). ](*,)
Robbo, you should be ashamed of yourself, [-X flirting with young ladies young enough to be your Daughter. =P~
What's good for Rod Stewart etc , I never flirt it's far too dangerous and anyway i'm far too worried about the Villa to think about things like that.
I do have a question for you. How do you know she's young? how do you know she's a lady? ah the mystery's of the internet.
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Being called Srummond has certainly curtailed any threatening thoughts I may have had.
Indeed so surprised was I at that moniker, I googled it. Only 64 entries. None of them made much sense either.
I guess I am in the wastelands of no man's land.
Looks like I have to turn bat and spend all my time in the dark upside down on this thread from now on.
:smt051
Hell that was the closest I could find.
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I like it Drummond, we should keep it as our mascot on this thread.
Robbo, beware the lady internet warrior who flirts with you. She is probably a 46 year old guy called Mike. :-
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JD you're so wrong. 'She's' an 18 stone pervert called Steve.
As for this thread the only hope for a quick slog was for Chris Smith or Drummond, sorry, Srummond, to descend into the insanity of Laughing Gravy/Slimvillan. They've showed signs of psychosis, but not enough to pack them off to the funny farm. No, not VT....
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There doesn't seem to be many mad ones about at the moment Peter. I thought Chris or Drummond would go over the edge, but they much prefer to debate with us instead (damn them #-o ).
Maybe Mystic Raven, sorry 'Steve Eight Bellies' will go over the edge and start to verbally attack us all. [-o< Now that would be interesting.
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What we need is a couple of our female posters to get into a spat. That would be interesting, vicious, and well worth about 20 quick pages.
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Morning Richie, Morning viewers. I've put my key in the pitch today, should be a bit in it for the bowlers. Crease occupation, that's the name of the game
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As has been said earlier we 3 are in for the long haul. Matt you will have to consider whether you are really worried enough to keep this ship sailing. If not I fear you will falter like everybody else.
Give us some worry Matt.
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Worried? How about I've got a baby due to be born in 3 months and feel under prepared, My 2 mates who get season tickets are giving up next year, leaving me on my own to witness shite all season and no one to moan at about it. I'm also worried that without any change in manager or chairman next year will be our last in the Premiership for quite a while. I'm also worried that it will rain all day on the 27 May when I have tickets for test at Edgbaston against Sri Lanka.
Is that enough Pete? :smt002
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Yeah, that's a start Matt.
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I'm not going to read this whole thread but I wonder if people have realised that an awful lot of TV money will soon be coming Villa's way and we really need to ensure that it aint pissed up the wall like funds have been over the last few years.
Yes, let's spend it on improved Player's wages.
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I'm not going to read this whole thread but I wonder if people have realised that an awful lot of TV money will soon be coming Villa's way and we really need to ensure that it aint pissed up the wall like funds have been over the last few years.
Not as much as I think you're anticipating. Also, more money means higher the cost of players. When you don't have a lot to start off with this minimal Sky/Setanta input will be less beneficial to clubs like ours.
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Nobody worried then? Ho hum.
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Still worried. Very. With HDEOBE pulling the strings and DO'L at the helm, we'll do even worse next season. Both OUT.
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Worried slightly yes. Any chance of a new manager, or at least some words of comfort?
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All is well, all is well....
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I'm worried for Matt G that it might rain when he goes to see the test match on May 27th. But there is light at the end of the tunnel Matt, if your mates are giving up their season tickets next season, you will be able to take your baby and give the Missus a rest. 8-[ :-
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I'm quite worried about the future! 8-[
What if we get to 199 and then SQL1105?????
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Might as well start chipping in again, now it's getting close to 200.
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I might even make a contribution or two. I made one post on this site but got accused of "gloryhunting" as it was merely a token gesture. What glory is there in seeking the company of "men" like Peter W and JD? :smt002
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Thanks Mr Beard, I will remember that when we next decide who we shall declare Utu on. :-k
You're back a bit early Dave, I thought you would wait until page 198 before you showed any 'concern'. :-
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Sod 'em Jd. By the way, where's Robbo? He's either fallen by the wayside or saving himself for the push towards the magical 200.
Mr Beard not only are the utu council sitting, but the tribal elders are sitting by the Afghani border having a jirga meeting. This could be very bad news for you. Recant you sins young Beard and turn awau from the ways of the flesh.
At what point in the summer, when nothing has happened, will our quiet acceptance, optimism, anticipation etc tec give way to anger or despair? When will we accept our position of no change? Will we accept it? I think as much of the frustartion may be that it will show that we had our chance but blew it. Or maybe that we realise just how insignificant we are as a force in able to change that twat of a manager by ourselves.
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I'm already in despair Peter, because every day that DO'L is at our club, I get more fed up with it all. I am getting scared that Douglas is going to give him another season and I am am also worried that experienced pro's will be leaving the club, who maybe under a new Manager could have rediscovered their form. ](*,) ](*,)
At the current time and in the current time all I see is another long season and a relegation battle. 8-[
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There are two ways of looking at it. First, if O Leary was going he would have gone by now. Seasons over. Second, HDE is waiting for the new owners, or whoever will take over the day to day running at the club, to make that decision.
Have to say, I may well be very wrong, but I have a feeling that something is happening. But it will need to happen soon. You can't to pre-season and allow a manager time to plan for the next campaign then sack him. If we sign no-one, or release no-one in the next couple of weeks then i think O Leary has gone also.
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I think Doug, if he's still around, will give him until Christmas. If we are still struggling he'll get the push then but Ellis will want to give himself every opportunity not to have to pay out the compensation.
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Sod 'em Jd. By the way, where's Robbo? He's either fallen by the wayside or saving himself for the push towards the magical 200.
Mr Beard not only are the utu council sitting, but the tribal elders are sitting by the Afghani border having a jirga meeting. This could be very bad news for you. Recant you sins young Beard and turn awau from the ways of the flesh.
At what point in the summer, when nothing has happened, will our quiet acceptance, optimism, anticipation etc tec give way to anger or despair? When will we accept our position of no change? Will we accept it? I think as much of the frustartion may be that it will show that we had our chance but blew it. Or maybe that we realise just how insignificant we are as a force in able to change that twat of a manager by ourselves.
Appologise for the absense but dramas in the Robbo household. Wife in hospital and in between the office, the hospital, the washing , the ironing, dog walking and making ten thousand calls a day to concerned wellwishers my time has been limited to looking in last thing at night. I will try to be around for the jubilee. I am still worried.
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Bleedin hell Robbo, with all that worry in the Robbo household I'd have thought that there was nowhere else for you to be BUT here. I have to question your loyalty to the cause.
By the way I hope alls well with the wife.
Chris, you could be right but the problem is that christmas may be too late. The conditioning of the players is the worst I've seen for years at Villa Park. My greatest fear is that when whoever takes over, as they will befoe the end of next season, the team isn't in such a bad shape that we are too late. it would take a couple of months to get fitness levels to be where they should be, a couple of months to get the side playing they way the new manager would like, a couple of months for him to get the players he wants. By then, we will have gone. That's the big worry, and why i don't want O leary to carry on. It doesn't matter in miy mind if he is given pots of cash to spend, or even a minimal amount, I don't think O Leary can buy the right players- which is why he tries to revert to type and buy players he's had before- and I don't think he can gel the players into a cohesive unit.
I'll be worried about the long term effects of Doug not being replaced as we will eventually get too far behind even the mid table clubs. I worry, though, that the manager will take us down before we can even worry long enough about Doug.
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I'm worried for Matt G that it might rain when he goes to see the test match on May 27th. But there is light at the end of the tunnel Matt, if your mates are giving up their season tickets next season, you will be able to take your baby and give the Missus a rest.
the idea is for me to have a rest from the baby!
How worried am I today, normaly I'm a glass half full kinda guy, but at present O'Leary has drunk all the contents of the glass and is gargling Keep right on to the end of the road with the contents. That's how worried I am with pigface in charge
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So your options matt are to seeing shit everywhere, or seeing shit everywhere. The ultimate Hobson's choice?
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So your options matt are to seeing shit everywhere, or seeing shit everywhere. The ultimate Hobson's choice?
I hadn't considered that :-k Now I'm even more worried
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See even Sir Grahams at it now
''I'm very worried about Villa,'' Taylor told Sky Sports News.
''I'm very worried about Villa ever being again a dominant Premiership club, because the only way they are going to do it is to have a change at the very top.
I think he should be posting on here. He'd be made very welcome. I'm sure the other full-members of the triumvirate would agree.
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I am singing in the lav to keep my spirits up. To the tune of Paddy McGinty's goat.
David OLeary an Irishman of note
Got some money out of Ellis and went to buy The Goat
But they said he has retired, last game last Saturday
Never mind said David, I'll buy him anyway.
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Christ I'm very worried if it makes people do that!
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Brian, you sure you are ok? :-s
I'm worried about your sanity now. 8-[
Another day and no more news from Villa Park. Good to see VillaBoro do so well today. :-
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cant say I give a shit about them.
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Nor do I Drummond, didn't watch it, or keep up with the score.
I'm more worried about Brian's state of mind. 8-[
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bloody hell, I keep turning these pages over. That has to be worrying for someone!
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It is encouraging to see that this thread is becoming a sanctuary for those who may not have been quite so worried in the past. We may have to limit membership.
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Morning Robbo :smt006 . I hope your dear Wife is getting better.
Good to see you back. O:)
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Morning JD, Robbo. Robbo, don't want worry memebership will drop significantly when we pass the 200 mark. Its just the excitement of an approaching milestone that is keeping everyone 'Worried' at the moment.
Anyway on other things, glad Boro got stuffed. Cannot stand them.
Still no Villa news which can only be bad but I suppose we have to wait for this board meeting that was alluded to in the E&S on the News forum. But, its unlikely O Leary will be sacked because it will mean another debt that the club have that will knock the asking price down even further.
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I'm worried that Mystic Raven (or Steve as (s)he is known in real life), will very soon overtake me in the number of posts made. :^o
I hope when I get up tomorrow morning the news will be better from Villa Park, DO'L sacked/resigned/lost in the post and Douglas has found a buyer.
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Two sentences there JD. I think you've got a double disappointment coming up.
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Morning Robbo :smt006 . I hope your dear Wife is getting better.
Good to see you back. O:)
Thank for your best wishes, she comes out tomorrow but cannot do any work, which is a problem because I don't mind doing the house chores it's being told how to do it that's annoying.
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All women do that!
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It's becoming increasingly obvious that it's not Villa's future you're all worried about but this threads future. I think it should now be locked and a 'Worried about the Worried thread' be started instead.
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It's becoming increasingly obvious that it's not Villa's future you're all worried about but this threads future. I think it should now be locked and a 'Worried about the Worried thread' be started instead.
Who asked you?
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It's becoming increasingly obvious that it's not Villa's future you're all worried about but this threads future. I think it should now be locked and a 'Worried about the Worried thread' be started instead.
Who asked you?
Nobody, but you're all punch drunk so are incapable of knowing what is best for yourselves anymore. It's sad to see a once mighty thread reduced to scrambling around hoping for scraps from the rich man's table so I say close the thing down to put you out of misery, you'll thank me in the long run.
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It's becoming increasingly obvious that it's not Villa's future you're all worried about but this threads future. I think it should now be locked and a 'Worried about the Worried thread' be started instead.
You looking for trouble, Smith?
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Fight! Fight! Fight!
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It's becoming increasingly obvious that it's not Villa's future you're all worried about but this threads future. I think it should now be locked and a 'Worried about the Worried thread' be started instead.
You looking for trouble, Smith?
Yeh, what you gonna do about it.
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Step away .... nothing to see here !!!
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It's becoming increasingly obvious that it's not Villa's future you're all worried about but this threads future. I think it should now be locked and a 'Worried about the Worried thread' be started instead.
You looking for trouble, Smith?
Yeh, what you gonna do about it.
Don't look at me like that
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Leave it - he's not worth it! [-X
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See Pete C.S does have a sense of humour.
He was joking wasn't he?
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See Pete C.S does have a sense of humour.
He was joking wasn't he?
Do you want some an' all?
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See Pete C.S does have a sense of humour.
He was joking wasn't he?
Do you want some an' all?
You must have very long arms. Start swinging.
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See Pete C.S does have a sense of humour.
He was joking wasn't he?
Do you want some an' all?
You must have very long arms. Start swinging.
Are you suggesting he's some kind of spider monkey?
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Would it freak you out if I moved this thread to 'Hidden'?
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Don't do it Leeeg! We have to have something to focus on during the summer months! :smt002
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Would it freak you out if I moved this thread to 'Hidden'?
There would certainly be a lot of banners around if you did that!
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Legion you cannot do this. This is where us overseas fans congregate. If you hide this thread we will have to take decisive action. You wouldn't want to see us when we're angry. =;
As for you Chris Smith, [-X if you come on here upsetting people, we will turn this into another DO'L thread and invite Oscar to be our guest speaker. :-
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Legion you cannot do this. This is where us overseas fans congregate. If you hide this thread we will have to take decisive action. You wouldn't want to see us when we're angry. =;
As for you Chris Smith, [-X if you come on here upsetting people, we will turn this into another DO'L thread and invite Oscar to be our guest speaker. :-
Yes but Oscar may not want to leave.
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It is obvious that Legion has been coming here pretending to be our friend, when all along he's just an asset stripper. We thought he was part of the future when all along he wanted to deplete our resources and destroy us!
Legion you feel the wrath of our keyboards if you dare move us into the ether. Can you have me, Robbo , and JD wondering aimlessly from forunm to forum, never truly finding a place to call home, on your conscience? Kind of like a tinternet version of Battlestar Galactica. You cyborg shite, you.
Oh, and morning JD, Robbo. Isn't it great to have a weeken approaching and not having to worry about Villa?
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Perhaps a show of force in the form of 23 orange balloons is called for to show people just how upset you are about this proposed move to Hidden, if you wanted to be really militant one of you could even wear some black Y fronts.
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It won't be moved. Can't be, its the 6th best thread since christmas.
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.....and besides who could not be excited about finding out what the next post, and therefore page 179, will be about?
Which lucky person will be tipping it over the edge!
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I could REALLY freak you out and just delete it....send it into the internet ether....so be NICE to me!!!!
I wouldn't really!
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It won't be moved. Can't be, its the 6th best thread since christmas.
Yes, but it's only the 35th best over the past 6 weeks and that's what really counts.
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No. You have lost control of this thread. me, JD, and Robbo are like warlords here. The militia if you like. Its a no go area for you mods so leave us alone. We don't bother you, you don't bother us. Its an uneasy stand-off that has kept the peace for months.
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Would it freak you out if I moved this thread to 'Hidden'?
It shall not be moved.
It shall not, it shall not be moved,
It shall not , it shall not be moved
and were gonna reach the 200th page
and it shall not be moved.
It'll never die, it'll never die,
It'll never die, it'll never die,
We'll keep the worried thread flying high
As we'll all be worried till we die.
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It won't be moved. Can't be, its the 6th best thread since christmas.
Yes, but it's only the 35th best over the past 6 weeks and that's what really counts.
Yes but if some of the thrads had been wins and not draws we would be in the top 6. So, no point getting rid.
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ahh yes, but with our form those draws were much likelier to have been losses so it has to go. We all know that the real problem is the Heroes Discussion Forum and until it goes this thread can't perform anyway.
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Whilst I agree that the discussion forum is in great need of an injection of urgent investment, this thread has been a constant performer and can hold its head high. We're an honest bunch of posters who, whilst accepting that we aren't top 4 at the moment, are budgeting for a top 10 spot. We will carry on doing well and the loyal supporters know what we are trying to achieve. You can't fool them, they wouldn't be logging on every day if they thought that we were rubbish. There's only a couple of fickle posters who like to have a dig. But, Woodhall has been here for ages now, and to see his face when the 100/150 was up was satisfying. he was all smiley whiley. What thread has been like that since this site started back in 2000 or something? Me, JD, and Robbo are the best thing to happen to this thread and until told otherwise, we are already planning for the next 100 pages.
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I'm worried now! I think they may both be staying.
Could we really expect to change half the squad as well? Are we going to start the season with the same team as last year?
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You talking about Chris Smith and Drummond?
On a serious note, I'd wait to see the next couple of weeks bfore we know what's happening. But, if we need to wait until we see how Baros does int he World Cup before we know how muchh money we've got to spend then we are in for a very frustrating summer, and a poor season will ensue
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It's going to be a very long frustrating summer.
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same old same old!
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same old same old!
Not really, in previous summers their was a tinge of hope and expectation this summer all we expect is the worst.
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But the situation remains largely the same. Ellis will never take any sort of risk.
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Did this thread start at page 1 or page 501? Either way it makes my next post highly enjoyable!
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One Hundred and Eiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhhtttttttttyyyyyyyyyyy!
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Oh well, i've been scanning various sites about players moving Clubs but no mention of Villa. I think we are in for a long and discontented Summer (or Winter in our case Robbo). ](*,)
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That's why Doug n Dave are lucky to have a World Cup to occupy our minds. Otherwise we'd only have Villa to think about. The last 9/10 months have proved that that is not a healthy thing.
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DOL might bring back a bargain or two from the World Cup, there's a young Trinidad and Tobagan player I've heard good things about, Dwight somebody or other.
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The only bargains he’s likely to bring back from Germany are some of those dodgy fags sold by strange people at railways stations and mucky mags full of weird mulleted types and men with equally bad hairdos.
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Not Michael Ballack then :- .
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Am I right in saying that Mystic Raven hasn't yet posted on this thread?!
(I'll post again in 50 pages time :smt002 )
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and mucky mags full of weird mulleted types and men with equally bad hairdos.
I'm sure Fletcher would like to think his publication is more high-brow than that.
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=D> =D> Good call Drummond.
Oh well, it looks like the gruesome twosome will be staying at Villa for a while. Time to get the prayer mat out for next season then, as that will be the only hope we have. [-o<
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Am I right in saying that Mystic Raven hasn't yet posted on this thread?!
(I'll post again in 50 pages time :smt002 )
She tried to dominate and we kicked her off.
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Am I right in saying that Mystic Raven hasn't yet posted on this thread?!
(I'll post again in 50 pages time :smt002 )
She tried to dominate and we kicked her off.
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Good morning Robbo. Good to see you posting so early in the week. I hope your Wife is a lot better now. O:)
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Morning both. Looks like we've reached that time were we fruitlessly search any site for Villa news. A signing, a sacking, a take over. But nothing.
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Morning both. Looks like we've reached that time were we fruitlessly search any site for Villa news. A signing, a sacking, a take over. But nothing.
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Am I right in saying that Mystic Raven hasn't yet posted on this thread?!
(I'll post again in 50 pages time :smt002 )
She tried to dominate and we kicked her off.
Good Morning!!!! :-
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=; There's nothing for you here.
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=; There's nothing for you here.
I am worried tooo!!!! [-X
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Worried that once your true identity or raison d'etre has gotten out that your purpose here is spent?
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Worried that once your true identity or raison d'etre has gotten out that your purpose here is spent?
No Peter........but thank you for your concern :smt002 All will become clear in time O:)
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MYSTIC RAVEN IS USELESS WITHOUT PICS
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MYSTIC RAVEN IS USELESS WITHOUT PICS
Tough Luck for now.. \:D/
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Worried that once your true identity or raison d'etre has gotten out that your purpose here is spent?
No Peter........but thank you for your concern :smt002 All will become clear in time O:)
I'm sure it will. Steve. Or whatever/whoever you may be. Didn't they bite quick enough on VillaTalk for you?
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Yawn Im getting bored with your constant baiting Peter..even though my responses are raising my post count .I have posted on Villa Talk in the past...but on the whole I prefer it here - most people are very friendly.....
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And I'm bored with you pretending to be something that you're not. Once you've overtaken everyone at the top, or whatever it is that you're trying to do, maybe then you'll let us all in on your little secret. Whatever it is. Then once you've had your fun, the rest of us can continue to care about this club of ours.
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I really dont care what you think....I am not "pretending" to be anyone...& as for letting you in on my secret ......Im amazed that you are so interested in me to bother to waste your time posting insults & being generally nasty...I have done nothing to you. & AS for having fun.....I'll be doing that when Villa are back where they belong & doing well - & as for you insinuating I dont care about the club - thats just plain wrong. Grow up.
Have a nice evening Peter .....
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ooooooooohhhh. Get him, her, whoever you are pretending to be.
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I was worried when i couldn't get on here for 5 days, I'm worried that O'Leary is still here, and I'm worried that Mystic raven can't think of anything better to do with her fingers than make countless posts on H&V :smt002
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I was worried when i couldn't get on here for 5 days, I'm worried that O'Leary is still here, and I'm worried that Mystic raven can't think of anything better to do with her fingers than make countless posts on H&V :smt002
Thank You for your concern Matt! Nice to see you back :smt002
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You'd love to see my back I'm sure :smt002
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I'm worried. VERY worried. I no longer get E-Mail notifications of responses to posts. It's very irritating. I hope this situation resolves itself, or else I might disappear into the internet ether and bid you all farewell!
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You'd love to see my back I'm sure :smt002
Easy Matt. You may be in for a nasty surprise...
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yawn
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Easy Matt. You may be in for a nasty surprise...
Not as nasty a surpise as Mystic would get. You've not seen my back.
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yawn
He's only messing about!
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yawn
He's only messing about!
Being quite insulting about it if you read the other threads! :smt002 & boring! :smt002
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Which threads? I am barely able to access this Board at the moment due to not receiving any notifications.
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Mystic Raven Posts: 4397
I'm worried for my posting future ](*,)
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mainly any & every one that I post on.. :- .but never mind....I not the wimpy tearful type :smt003 So im taking fuck all notice Legion! :smt002
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Mystic Raven Posts: 4397
I'm worried for my posting future ](*,)
& I had nothing to do with that extra 2000 odd posts!!! [-X
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Mystic Raven Posts: 4397
I'm worried for my posting future ](*,)
& I had nothing to do with that extra 2000 odd posts!!! [-X
So you have been in Timewasters :-s
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Yes but not THAT much...not in only an hour....even my fingers arent that frenetic to post 2000 in ONE HOUR!!! 8-[
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I am worried that every time I try to enter this thread I get an error message. That isn't right. ](*,) ](*,)
I am also worried that HDE has said there is money available in December if we are doing ok in the first half of next season. :^o If things stay the way they are now, we will never see that money. SPEND IT NOW YOU OLD #&*%. :-#
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2,000 in an hour. In the good old days she'd have been burned as a witch.
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It wasnt me!!!!!!!! [-X
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It wasnt me!!!!!!!! [-X
You still up - has Mr Raven turned in early?
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It wasnt me!!!!!!!! [-X
You still up - has Mr Raven turned in early?
No he's not here tonight!!! well not staying anyway!
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It wasnt me!!!!!!!! [-X
You still up - has Mr Raven turned in early?
No he's not here tonight!!!
What are you trying to say?
:smt002
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Oi, take your pillow talk elsewhere, or you will awake Peter the Fatwa. You wouldn't want to see him when he is angry. 8-[ [-(
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Oi, take your pillow talk elsewhere, or you will awake Peter the Fatwa. You wouldn't want to see him when he is angry. 8-[ [-(
Is Fatwa Pete, like Stinky Pete from Toy Story 2?
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No, Fatwa Peter is much scarier (I think). 8-[
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I think I'm gonna cry.
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Was going to start a new thread with this but decided to share my thoughts with the really really worried among us. Ellis has told Oleary he has to sell to buy. Now the only players that other clubs may pay decent money for are Baros, Davis and Melberg. That is our best forward our best defender and our best midfielder. I know we can sell others but only for spare change. To me it's like selling your house if you want to buy another house in the same area of the same quality then you will have to pay the same price as you sold your house for. I cannot see the logic in selling your better players while trying to improve the squad. All three players have had their critics but they in my opinion they are the best we've got. Oleary should be looking overseas for bargains to strenghthen the squad not looking to deplete it.
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Exactly Robbo. I just can't see the point in selling our best assets and then buying players who are either not as good, or are on a par.
I think is we let fringe players go for instance; Hendrie, DJx2, Berson and sign Milner we should have enough money left over for a playmaker. I think if Laursen and Delaney are fit next season (to start with anyway), then we won't need another central defender.
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But if Baros does have a good enough World Cup that allows us to reinvest in the team that can only be taken as a positive. It isn't any different from selling Yorke. Mellberg has been 50/50 for two seasons now although I agree that shipping him out is not necessarily the answer. What is I don't know. Well apart from changing the boardroom and managerial team. Not very comforting times at the moment.
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I'm worried that our whole Sumer seems to revolve around Baros having a great world cup and earning us shedloads of cash, and Laursen being fully fit. What if Baros gets injured, or doesn't score and the Czech's bounce out in the first round? Laursen will never now be fit completely, once an injury like this reoccurs, it will continue reoccuring, look at Delaney, look at david Dunn as 2 examples.
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As true as that is Matt what else have we got to hold on to. We'll be buying the Michael Bridges of this world id Baros doesn't have a good World Cup and make us some money. He wants to move on to so he'll be motivated by being in the biggest shop window.
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As true as that is Matt what else have we got to hold on to. We'll be buying the Michael Bridges of this world id Baros doesn't have a good World Cup and make us some money. He wants to move on to so he'll be motivated by being in the biggest shop window.
While not wanting to see Baros depart if we could get Gudjohnson for 4 mil
I wouldn't be too unhappy.
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Agree fully. However, as I've posed elsewhere what type of player sees this club as an attractive move? A player of his ability wouldn't touch us with a barge pole at the moment.
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Looks like we're relying on O'Leary to coach our way out of trouble.
What a marvellous prospect
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Which the stats have proved he is unable to do. Which the performances have proved he's unable to do. Yet we are going into the new season with a cross our fingers mentality from the board down? Are they serious? Yet some people here whether to simply argue or not, are buying in to 'lets wait and see it may get better'. Why should it get better? Simply because we don't know it may get worse? Is that the way any football club/business has ever been run?
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I'm now VERY worried. 48 hours and not a single E-Mail notification. I can't keep up with events!
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Erm. Seems that we aren't buying anyone. Manager and chairman together, and erm, that's it until August.
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Great, anyone got any spare parts they can lend to Delaney, Laursen etc. My right knee is worn, but I have only had one operation on it and will happily loan it to Villa for the coming season. 8-[
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Anyone know what exactly is wrong with Delaney?
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Ah its that old heartilige problem pros with inflated sense of their own worth tend to get.
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I would like to say I am very worried over a pecieved personality change
in Chris Smith. He has gone all sweetness and light almost humanesque the question is has he turned? or is this just an abberation. I think I prefer the old version.
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I think its just that older versions of everything have lapses in memory
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Chris Smith going soft, never. 8-[
If he is being nice, he is only luring people into a false sense of security before he chews them up and spits them out. :-k
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Shite, it's all shite.
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I thought you would be happier Drummond. After all, you have just had an arse slapping from Mr Fletcher. :-
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On another thread Peter, Fletch talking about giving Drummond an arse slapping.
Anyway, I read today (on Soccernet) that The Barcodes haven't decided whether they will let James Milner leave yet.
Does DO'L have a plan B? 8-[
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Yeah found that JD.
Hasn't the agent said they'll be talks Friday about Milner. If so there should be something today. I think we are in a favourable position here, Roeder doesn't know the player that well, Milner wants to come, Newcastle need to sell. It may be a dotting the i's and crossing the t's exercise. The onlt ticking point maybe our down payment and repayment methods.
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I'm still worried you know. What if the new pitch is too soft for our fabulous players ](*,)
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They'll never have played on it. All we'll have left come August are the babbies who are used to playing at Bescot.
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Been away in Paris working all week and only just picked up on the week's gossip and rumours (less than no money, sell to buy, milner, broomfield et al. etc etc)!
Bringing the thread back on topic, I just thought I should point out that I am still worried! :smt002
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Good. This is the place for us worriers. Is a safe sanctuary. We'll all worry together. Just like a frog chorus.
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I'm worried that I've got that video with Paul McCartney in my head now. Win or lose, sink or swim, One thing is certain we never give in, We all worry together
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Well his new missus doesn't play the frog chorus at home anymore. she's hopped it...
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hopped it .... =D> Good one \:D/
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I would come back with another smart reply but I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
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This the right place to come to be worried? Seems they're all getting upset over being negative everywhere else, but gosh, I am so very worried.
Does DO'L have a plan B?
Doesn't even have a fucking plan A FFS!
By the way, Macca bought his missus a plane last year....
she's still using Immac on the other one though! \:D/
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I heard he was sick of her being legless all the time
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Still, as one door closes another opens. A gold miner in South Africa recently lost his leg in a cave in. When he came round in hospital and found out his first words were "Who would want a one legged gold digger?"
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Very good James. =D>
My kids Team had another great result yesterday. We beat the top team 4-3 after being 2-0 down and 3-2 down. That's us top of the league now and still unbeaten this season. Shame Villa can't emulate my team.
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Nice one James. I don't think we should take the mick too much though, she went out on a limb to save the marriage I hear.
Oh, and well done JD. Send your CV to Doug. They'll be a vacancy come September/October.
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I think McCartney should refuse to give her all that money, take it to court, she hasn't got a leg to stand on.
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I always wondered what it would be like to take her from the side...
She's stumped now, though, 'cos her sugar-daddy has legged it; crying to the media will just be a rubber crutch for her. I think Macca's done right: let her stand on her own two feet; the boot's on the other foot now. :smt002
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EffDee, that's just too much =D> =D>
Still, Monday morning again and still no word out of Villa of any potential players for next season, or players we will sell. There seems to be an eerie silence at Villa park. 8-[
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Nothing will happen 'til after the World Cup.......
2010
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=D> =D> Good call Drummond. You are very sharp for a Sunday evening. Must be because you are stuck in the BB House.
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This thread is forever because even if we are taken over we will be worrying over the intentions of the new owner, if Oleary is replaced we can worry over his replacement in fact this thread can be the new home page for those suffering from bi-polar disorder as we are in a perptual depression.
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Indeed Robbo. Even if we happen to win anything, well a game or two next season will be nice. We'll be in a perpetual state of worry. Is it a flash in the pan? how do we carry on achieving? Do we have too much money? should we be redistributing the wealth? Should we partner Shevchenko with Rooney just behind, or playing up front, which then allows Ronaldinho to play in the hole? Worry worry worry.
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And is deadly Dave waiting to steal the 200.
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Of course he is. But between me , you, and JD I'm sure we have enough prowess to claim this prize. They used surprise as their secret weapon. But we're ready for them this time.
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Threads can be temporarily locked on Page 199 just in case the triumvirate are unavailable, you know!
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Well Legion we see you as our man on the inside. So, if we fail to cover the 24 hour period that will be needed in the lead up to the 200, we expect you to do your duty. Do you think I should have mentioned that you are a double agent?
Just to take this back to the point. I'm worried. Not about Villa, but what freakishness is going to befall me this week.
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As long as it's before 26th May or after 3rd June!! Yes, I'm off on my travels again!!
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So one mod can lock a thread from another mod?
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I think so....
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We'll see......
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I think I should be made a mod, for this thread, just to ensure that it remains fair and all above board.
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I'm worried still, what if the site caves in before 200? :-s
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200?
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Pages Legion, 200 pages.
I'm worried about what accident will befall Peter 'Frank Spencer' Winters next. 8-[
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You are? Bloody hell. You should try and have a week like that. Didn't know whether to laugh or cry. On top of that I can't turn to the exciting goings on at Villa park for solace.
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No, it's a bit quiet at Villa Park, but all does not seem well does it?
DO'L and Doug sending out conflicting messages. ](*,) ](*,)
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I don't mind them sending out conflicting messages TBH. The more of a wedge that is driven between them, the more that one or t'other will be on their way. Its the cosy back slapiness of the two that is annoying.
Not too perturbed by a hush on the Milner front. If it was going pear shaped I think the agent would have been banging on in the press about it. A LA Robinson.
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Lets not forget how worried we are amongst this frenzy of posting elsewhere!
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I'm worried....
very worried 8-[
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If Barry goes for 4 million then I am at the peak of my worrying thus far.
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And a warm welcome to all of tonight's participants.
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Thanks, it's nice to feel wanted!
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Newcastle after Dirk Kuyt worries me. A great old fashioned centre forward and I said we should have signed him two years ago. ](*,)
Totally out of our price range now. 8-[
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You still in one piece Peter, or you had another accident? #-o
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Morning JD. Yeah still in one piece. I think the worst is over- he says not wanting to tempt fate.
Barry is a fuuny one. On one hand it really could be the start of the end. Top player going, you know this clown will not buty in an adequate replacement, and even if he did, we wouldn't have a decent team because O Leary has proven his managerial acumen is akin to turning a silk purse into a sow's ear.
Alternatively, it could be a good move, for all the reasons I've mentioned on the Barry thread. Sad to see him go for all his efforts, but on balance it may work out for the best for us. But, with a better manager to handle the money and the team there after. This cock will go out and get Jason Wilcox to replace him.
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Morning Peter. Good to hear you are on the mend. =D>
I like Gareth Barry as a player. He may be a bit slow, but he is intelligent and can usually create the same space a quick player can, by reading the game well. He is still only 24 years old and is one of the players I strongly believe we should be building the team around.
I am concerned that if he goes we won't get a decent replacement. We are joking if we let him go for only 4 million.
Unfortunately every time there is news about Villa, it seems to be more bad news. ](*,) ](*,)
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It just resonates across the footballing world. The carcass at Villa is seemingly ripe for stripping. A manager who is crap and a chairman who is just waiting to sell. We are an aimless, wandering football club at the moment. Nothing has come out of VP that can put a little spring in our step since, well I was going to say since the end of the season. But probably sincelast summer. We are in an awful situation. We are in a mess. It needs a strong manager to shake the place up, and a forward thinking chairman. But in the absence of both we may as well descend into in-fighting as its all we've got left.
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And I think that just about sums it up exactly.....A sorry state of affairs..when is the worry going to end?
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Hold on hold on all we have is a couple of spurious reports that Barry is leaving. I do not believe anything that is said or reported about this club anymore as most of it is gobshite.
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But in the media all that is needed is a perception of what is happening to convince people things will happen. it doesn't need to be true. If the Govt. leaked 6 months in advance that the basic rate of income tax was going to rise 5% and people moaned but it then died down. then when it would be introduced everyone would say,'Well, we knew it was going to happen'. If there was a mass uproar the Govt. would issue a denial and say it was just in the thinking stage. They got a reaction and realised it would be best not to carry on with that policy. If there was uproar at barry going then it would be unlikely to happen. it feels like it may be testing of the water. Split 60/40 whichever way then when he does go we'll be, 'Well, we knew it was going to happen'.
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I'm more worried about the weather at Edgbaston on saturday than anything Villa wise at the mo :-k
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Its going to piss down. Thunder and lightning. Hailstones as big as OLeary's nose. River Rae predicted to burst its banks and wash away all the hose pipe ban notices. Go to Ikea and spend a nice dry day buying lampshades and towel rails then you can spend Sunday putting them up.
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I've just planted some Broccoli - should I be concerned or worried????? :smt002
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It depends where you planted it fatron.
So you're calling it broccoli over there are you? :- I planted some grass not long ago and it is growing nicely. 8-[
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Well I was worried that the water shortage we've been having here would affect my veg patch.(Well when I say 'my' its fairer to say the gardner does everything and gives us the end product). But some unseasonable downpours have helped. So, I should get a healthy return of sweetcorn, potatoes, tomatoes, swede, garlic, mint, basil, chilli, peppers, turnip, lettuce, radish, and rocket. oh, and something we don't know.(me and she). All in all regular Tom and Barbara's. Without having to lift a finger ourselves!
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Gee Peter, you really are living the Colonial life aren't you. :-
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If I told you the full extent of my easy life in Pakistan I would rapidly become the most despised person on here. For that to happen, Chris, Drummond, you'll have to give me a crash course on how to cope with the unending hatred and bile directed your way. That's you plural obviously.
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So you don't actually do any work Pete you would settle very well in Australia, that's why all the Kiwis come over here. The unemployment benefits are better. Oh and we don't become romantically attached to sheep either.
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I do work Also, get a travel package which means free flights every 3 months or so for hols. This year the extensive list is bangkok, Chang Mai, Dubai, Mumbai, Moscow, Kiev, Vietnam, Mauritius, and maybe the UK at the end of the year. Won't cost us a penny in air-fare. Ahhhh. The life.
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I do work. 7.30-2.30 Mon-Thurs . 7.30-1.30 on Friday.
Also, get a travel package which means free flights every 3 months or so for hols. This year the extensive list is bangkok, Chang Mai, Dubai, Mumbai, Moscow, Kiev, Vietnam, Mauritius, and maybe the UK at the end of the year. Won't cost us a penny in air-fare. Ahhhh. The life.
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My daughter in law is Mauritian a beautiful little island so my son tells me.
He is looking for a job like yours are there any vacancies.
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Further more i've noticed that Mystic is about to overtake you.
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Unless he's in the Immigration Services-not a good idea at the moment- or foreign office, then sadly, no.
Mystic? Me? never.
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Also, get a travel package which means free flights every 3 months or so for hols. This year the extensive list is bangkok, Chang Mai, Dubai, Mumbai, Moscow, Kiev, Vietnam, Mauritius, and maybe the UK at the end of the year. Won't cost us a penny in air-fare. Ahhhh. The life.
You don't sound particularly worried in this post Peter :-k
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Well I'm worried that I'll have to come back to the UK one day....
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How's the world Cup being received over in the antipodes Robbo? JD?
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The big 5000 posts for Peter W.
This calls for a celebration :smt041 :smt030 :smt113
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Congratulations on the 5000 Peter.
What World Cup? Don't you know that Canterbury are playing Wellington in the Super 14 Rugby final this weekend? :smt015 :smt015 :smt015
Don't you know that over the next week the All Blacks are going to name their squad for the season? :smt015 :smt015 :smt015
The Aussies are certainly getting into the World Cup, from what I have seen. They are auctioning the penalty spot from the World Cup playoff against Uruguay. They had 95,000 for a friendly against Greece yesterday. In fact, correct me if I am wrong Robbo, but I think they are mad for it. 8-[
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Yes we Aussies are out to conquer the world. After beating a Greek side that obviously had their minds on the after game souvlaki fest so little interest or enthusiasm did they show during the match we are now ready to take on and beat allcomers. I kid you not the populace of Melbourne gourge themselves on anything sporting, if Australia had played Villa there would still be 95.000 turn out to watch, we cannot get enough. The game was a bore, one side with little skill gave their all, the other side came to visit their relatives. There will be another game at the M.C.G tonight when Collingwood take on the Western Bulldogs in the A.F.L there won't be 95.000 but there will be a lot more exitement than was shown last night. By the way I expect all on this site to become honourary members of the Hawthorn football club or the Mighty Hawks as we are known. We are a young side but an honest bunch of lads, we didn't perform too good last season but we are after a top eight position this year.
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Sorry Robbo, I can't support anyone who has the name Hawthorn. [-X
Reminds me of Stripeyfilth.
I have watched a few games on SKY here in NZ, but I just can't get into Aussie Rules. Saying that, I have heard that watching a game live is a completely different experience.
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Sorry Robbo, I can't support anyone who has the name Hawthorn. [-X
Reminds me of Stripeyfilth.
I have watched a few games on SKY here in NZ, but I just can't get into Aussie Rules. Saying that, I have heard that watching a game live is a completely different experience.
Well JD the name has different connotations for me, I had to walk along Hawthorn Rd to get to my rellies in Kingstanding thats why I chose them all those years ago. I see Pete got his finger out and posted a few after I remarked that you know who was rapidly closing in on him. Fancy being chased by a woman.Or is she a he.
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Morning both. Happy 26th. Thanks for the congrats, but it was a team effort, I can't sit here and take the credit. By, the grace of God, I will make it to 6000. And it had nothing to with the he/she/they of mustiness....honest.
WHo is it in the Super14? Hurricanes v someone..
I didn't go to a game but I was in Newcastle -NSW-in 95-96 when Plugger Lockett et al were getting Sydney Swans into the grand final. Everyone had the Aussie Rules bug, as it would have benn nice to beat Victorians at their game. Even though the Swans are defectors from Victoria..
Went to a couple of Newcastle Knights games. Great atmosphere. But I spent a season watching Newcastle Breakes. That was great . The team was crap but got to a Cup final. Lost to South melbourne.
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I'm worried by the amount of celebration in here :-$ This is a place for worriers only, we'll have no happiness here [-X
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I'm worried that I'll miss the momentous 200th page now.
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Ditto Leeg. I'm away to Mumbai, as you do, for the weekend. Could be a post 200 moment whence I return. You going away?
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Sicily for a week.
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Ditto Leeg. I'm away to Mumbai, as you do, for the weekend. Could be a post 200 moment whence I return. You going away?
Mumbai thats a dance isn't it?
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Sorry Robbo, I can't support anyone who has the name Hawthorn. [-X
Reminds me of Stripeyfilth.
I have watched a few games on SKY here in NZ, but I just can't get into Aussie Rules. Saying that, I have heard that watching a game live is a completely different experience.
Have to admit watching live at the MCG is a great experience! I saw Carlton and Essonden on Easter Monday about 6 years ago - a barnstorming game of two halves with the result something like 120-119. I was barracking for the underdogs Essonden which wound up all the Carlton fans in the vicinity!
Another great thing about AFL (or VFL as it was) is that you get players with quality names like Cockateel Collins (I jest you not!)! \:D/
However, I must return on topic and state that we were seated so high up in the MCG that I was a bit worried at times due to the air thinning out! :smt002
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Sorry Robbo, I can't support anyone who has the name Hawthorn. [-X
Reminds me of Stripeyfilth.
I have watched a few games on SKY here in NZ, but I just can't get into Aussie Rules. Saying that, I have heard that watching a game live is a completely different experience.
Have to admit watching live at the MCG is a great experience! I saw Carlton and Essonden on Easter Monday about 6 years ago - a barnstorming game of two halves with the result something like 120-119. I was barracking for the underdogs Essonden which wound up all the Carlton fans in the vicinity!
Another great thing about AFL (or VFL as it was) is that you get players with quality names like Cockateel Collins (I jest you not!)! \:D/
However, I must return on topic and state that we were seated so high up in the MCG that I was a bit worried at times due to the air thinning out! :smt002
I think you'll find that's Cockatoo Collins, not Cockateel Collins but it's strange nonethe less.
2006, year of the might Richmond Tigers!
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Candamatt - I stand corrected, but still worried!! :smt002
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Not worried about the rain at the cricket tomorrow now, just the amount of play we're going to see with only 6 wickets needed for victory!
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Peter in the Super 14 final the Hurricanes (from Wellington) are playing the reigning champions and best team in the competition, the Crusaders (from Canterbury, which is Christchurch and surrounding provinces). Usually I would support the Crusaders (or All Blacks as they are known) but their fans who I live amongst are arrogant and just think they need to turn up to win. Still they're probably right. ](*,)
My kids team had another great win today, against the team second behind us on goal difference (both unbeaten). We won 3-0 and my centre forward scored another two, making it 11 in 4 games for him. =D> =D>
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I'm worried today, as the website had my kids result incorrect and only credited us with a 2-0 win, despite us contacting them with the correct result. ](*,) ](*,)
Still no sign of Villa signing anyone, seems everyone else is being linked with players though. I really do think Villa are in trouble (unless HDE is prentending we have no money and then will suddenly sign three-four players). [-o<
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JD you have to understand we are a selling club. We are vastly overstocked with quality players, in fact they have to que up for a place to get their kit on. I don't hold with stories going around that we have a small squad, in the festival league we had eleven players and one sub who usually went home at half time pissed off that he hadn't got a game,but we managed. Okay I give you that sometimes owing to a miscalculation we sometimes played with ten men but it was only for one game for christ sake, we didn't make a fuss. I could understand it if Villa were a proffessional club but they're no better than we were.
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Let me start by saying that Mumbai is a shit hole. JD, who won the Super-14's? No Villa news?Well, Unless Berson moves soon it won't happen until after the World Cup.
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Peter, the Cantabs won the Super 14 (as usual) by 19-12. The game was played in thick fog and a lot of people left the ground because they couldn't see.
Funniest thing was on Sunday morning (about 7.30am) one of the Wellington players (Chris Masoe) got in a bit of a scuffle in a bar and Tana Umaga hit him with a handbag (I kid you not) and Masoe started to cry. [-X 8-[
Anyway, good to see lots of news about Villa on the net today. :^o
Looks like Everton might be the latest team to move into a different league from us. ](*,) ](*,)
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Oi! Keep the bloody noise down, some of us are trying to sleep.
It's extremely hot tonight and the last thing I need is you lot Stan Yapping it.
Anybody else suffered from an insect invasion in the last few days? Rumour has it, they flew in from Africa.
One Villa fan very concerned about global warming.
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Well it's nice and cold over here Mark (Winter is upon us). That will kill all the insects. \:D/ O:)
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Its not the likes of Everton that worry me. But tha the vultures that seem to have the ability to pick our carcass are not just Man U which you'd expect. But Tottenham, Boro, Wigan..sides that obviously feel as if they've moved on to alevel above our standing.
Thats worrying.
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Its not the likes of Everton that worry me. But tha the vultures that seem to have the ability to pick our carcass are not just Man U which you'd expect. But Tottenham, Boro, Wigan..sides that obviously feel as if they've moved on to alevel above our standing.
Thats worrying.
But it is fact they have moved above us not just one level but by a fair margin, that senile old cretin that takes hundreds of thousands out of our club every year supposedly for looking after our financial wellbeing needs to be investigated under the fair trade act. I am not violent by nature but for him I could make an exeption.
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It has been said that O Leary is a lucky manager and he is lucky, as is Ellis, that the momentum that was building, even in the national press, was too close to the end of the season. Thereby, nipping it in the bud before it could build to a crescendo. We are a club in crisis, and it doesn't take much working out that it will not get better until it gets worse. Unless we are relieved of Doug and Dave. It seems they are trying to out 'shit' each other. We may not go down next season, but does anyone really believe we are a club going in the right direction? Not at all. Ellis is now a millstone around the neck of the club. O Leary is just a shit manager, at a club where he can hide because of the blame that can be attached to Ellis.
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Sometimes you come across a post in these pages that seems to say it all. It encapsulates the situation perfectly as you see it yourself. That last post from Peter W was one such. Congratulations. Odd that such a nugget of communication should be found among all the chit chat from Upside Down Land.
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Bri, it takes months of professional worrying that only me, JD, and Robbo have perfected before you can master the art. All I can suggest is that you either become a night-owl, or emigrate, to see what I mean.
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I tried emigrating. They came after me. I tried to claim Upside Down Citizenship on the grounds that my three Holte Enders were all born in Essendon but they said Essendon nr Welwyn Garden City does not count.
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Are we allowing newcomers to start new pages?
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Sorry Dave. I am very worried about the future of Villa. I blame Fred Normansell for spending too much time on his fish wholesale business and not enough time in the board room. Is that OK?
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The triumvirate militia that guards these parts accept new comers starting new pages. Indeed they are welcome. Its the old lags we have our eyes on.
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I blame Norman Smith. If he'd learned to drive, things would have been a lot better.
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I blame Leslie Smith. If he had been a bit less loyal to Villa and allowed us to sell him after he got his first England cap we would not have been forced to put admission charges up from two bob to half a crown. That is when it all started to go wrong.
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If Albert Evans had actually found some gold in the Yukon instead of pissing about, he could have come back, bought the club and we would still be fair set now.
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If Tony Gallagher would stop pissing about and extend his new satellite town of Northstowe over the Dry Drayton to Cambridge railway line I could come home to Birmingham from the Yukon/Klondyke/Sutters Field just like a latter day Albert Evans.
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I'm very worried about you lot! You appear to be in blame mode and not in the slightest bit interested in being worried! This apparent lack of conviction is making me solicitous, perturbed and appetent - should I be worried? :smt002
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Sometimes you come across a post in these pages that seems to say it all. It encapsulates the situation perfectly as you see it yourself. That last post from Peter W was one such. Congratulations. Odd that such a nugget of communication should be found among all the chit chat from Upside Down Land.
You can see my frustration from 13000 klms away god knows what i'd do if I were still in Brum.Brian if we were a little club in netherland battling against all the odds to survive i might exept it but a club the size of ours with all it's potential i cannot exep. Ellis for 22 years has made a fortune on the backs of the faithfull, the man is nothing short of a parasite.
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I'm worried that it's all my fault.
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I am worried that I once met the head groundsman of the MCG and did not take his telephone number. I could have gone to Oz and met all these fantastic Villa fans and assured then that it is OK to be insecure and shout at your wife. I shout at my wife all the time and tell her not to make me choose between Villa and her. I think I should have gone to Oz and had a civil ceremony with an Australian person. Perhaps Australian women do not object so much to being shouted at. My daughter in law has four hundred handbags.
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Brian if we were a little club in netherland
What? Like Herenveen or something?
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No I was thinking more of Chase terrace or Great Barr gunners. I notice Dave has started to take a more active part on this thread it's a sign the two hundreds approaching.
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Yeah Robbo. I noticed that too. Looks like me, you, and JD will have to make a concerted effort one night when the daylight dandies are snuggly tucked up, to belt out a few pages and claimthe 200 as rightfully ours. Anyway, don't forget we have an 'insider' on the case...
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Saw a little doco on Islamabad the other night. I hope your being well paid.
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Why? and what did it say?
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Don't Worry, Be Happy!
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Is that just a little song you wrote?
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Why? and what did it say?
It was more what was seen, imagine the Bull ring at the turn of the century it was not what you would like to see in a travel brochure. I didn't know it was possible to get so many people into such a small market.
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It probably wasn't Islamabad itself then. this place is a bit like Canberra. A purpose buily city for govt. workers, diplomatic staff, ex pat staff in mobile phone companies. The areas that are like what you've said close to here are in Rawalpindi. Which is a twin city. And what you'd expect from Pakistan. This place is clean, beautiful, good roads, not much poverty, and mostly dull.
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Must be a new third world thing just had a friend come back from China with the same story. From the airport straight to a gated business park and hotel which was spotless but five miles down the road was a place you wouldn't want to be.
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The urban design of Islamabad is bound to be pretty dull. Much of the master plan was done by planners and architects who had served their time covering Coventry city centre with brushed concrete, knobby iron railings and white clapboard. Right dullards and not a Villa fan amongst them as I recall. I failed my interview and went to work for the GLC.
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The urban design of Islamabad is bound to be pretty dull. Much of the master plan was done by planners and architects who had served their time covering Coventry city centre with brushed concrete, knobby iron railings and white clapboard. Right dullards and not a Villa fan amongst them as I recall. I failed my interview and went to work for the GLC.
Actually it was designed some 30/40 years ago by some Greek bloke, and is divided into sectors. HWich are big square things and are like sectors F7/1/2/3/4. Not avery big place and has a shite airport that you can fly to nearly nowhere from.
Well, except to the Uk for all those asylum seekers...
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Can anyone rememebr a close season-even this close to the last season- where so little has been done. We are not being linked with anyone, apart from rumours. No-one from the club stating, ' we are after a certain player'. Nothing.
I do think money will be made available, but is it possible that we can't do anything until after the World Cup. So, whilst other teams -and lets be fair we're talking about only a few clubs- are seemingly moving for players it seems the football community as a whole are on hold.
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Evening all!
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Is thgis really all that's happened in the last couple of days?
Very Poor. 2/10
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Is this the longest thread we've had on H&V?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Oh well, I haven't been around for a couple of days but it doesn't look like I missed anything. Pretty quiet on the news front I see. 8-[
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With the World Cup less than a week away I do't think we'll be hearing anything at all for a month or so.
Morning JD.
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Morning Peter. Good to see you around.
Have just finshed painting the hallway, fitting a new lock and putting up a curtain rail. What an exciting day I've had. :-
Still, my kids team drew 2-2- yesterday with the team second in the league. Came back from 2-0 down after ten minutes, so I suppose I should be pleased. We're still unbeaten, so thats good.
So nothing happening at Villa? See Crouch scored a hattrick for England today.
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I'm worried about your kids team. Great fighting abilities to get back into the game, but you can't go 2 down in every game. Questions need to be asked.
What pissed me off with Crouch's penalty is that it was a piss take. Would he have taken it like that if it was 0-0? 0-0 v Brazil in the semi-finals? No. So, don't do your smart-arsed penalties. He deserved what he got, and would have learned a better lesson had he not got a third. He did, and it was a nice goal to, but he went down in my estimation after the pen.
Oh, and the cricket's crap at the moment too.
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Yeah, I was more than a bit worried with my kids team yesterday. They seem to take a while to get with it, whoever they are playing. The team we were playing had only conceded four goals all season and none in the last three games, so I was very worried.
I haven't seen anything of the England game (might be on the news this evening). Tonight New Zealand are playing Brazil, with a full replay tomorrow morning, so I will have to watch that. O:)
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Has the media mentioned 1982 more than 100 times?
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They had a big pull out about 1982 in the paper the other day, with interviews with the players who played. I wouldn't mind, but the All Whites got hammered in all three group games. I mean, even Scotland beat them. ](*,) :-
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I rememeber David Narey -who was picked to go ahead of Allan Evans- hitting a great goal to put Scotland 1-0 up against Brazil. Only annoyed them though as they went on to win 4-1.
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What pissed me off with Crouch's penalty is that it was a piss take.
Indeed, and before the game Svennis was gobbing off about how they'd been practising penalties and who was to take them.
Funny how in the final match before a World Cup tournament they don't use the first-choice penalty-taker (a hat-trick was in sight but what is more important, preparing the team or Crouch getting a match-ball?), and it appears that the players have not been given instructions on taking them. i.e. If you are not Ronaldihno, don't fanny about. "I would hope he doesn't do that in the WC", says Sven. Thorough preparation, all angles covered, that's what I like to see.
Still, two pens missed, maybe the next one England get will go in.
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I just hope were missing them now so when the WC starts, every one will go in.
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I think Crouch thought he was Dwight Yorke - which must be worrying for a multitude of reasons!!!!!!!!! :smt002
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Crouch is ugly enough without the thought of him in a dress filming a 'home' movie...
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The thought of Peter Crouch setting the women's dormitories of Birmingham University jelly legged is the stuff of science fiction.
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The word on the street is that his naff robot dance has the gals dripping like a fucked fridge!
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He must be hard of hearing. When people are saying, 'you look like a fanny', he's hearing, 'you can fuck lots of fanny'.
To all our female readers may I personally apologise for the 'laddish' content therein. For our homosexual friends (BE) may I say that I am no way attempting to heterosexualise this thread. Thank-you.
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If he gets any women they will have to be put up to it (Benny Hill circa 1956)
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If he gets any women they will have to be put up to it (Benny Hill circa 1956)
Could see Crouchie scoring a goal, running to the bench and then patting Sven on the head. Hilarity would ensue, because Sven would raise a fist in anger and run after Crouch, around the dugout. Soon everyone would be running around the dugout, then the pitch, then the stadium, then into berlin(it'll be the final). Oh, how we laughed.
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Dit Dit Diddle Liddle Dit Dit Diddle Liddle Dit Dit Diddle Liddle Lee Diddle Lit Diddle Lit Diddle Lit Exit left behing bratwurst stall pursuing Claire Balding in her knickers
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Dit Dit Diddle Liddle Dit Dit Diddle Liddle Dit Dit Diddle Liddle Lee Diddle Lit Diddle Lit Diddle Lit Exit left behing bratwurst stall pursuing Claire Balding in her knickers
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Don't knock it till you have tried it
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I'm worried that theres been no movement before the World Cup, late rush in July and August then :-
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No movement before the World Cup and there won't be any movement after, as Clubs will then have a big scramble for players and we will not offer enough money for them. ](*,)
It's going to be a long cold Summer. #-o
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Apart from a very few deals I think quite a few will have been done already. But in principle. Ie Milner to Villa. It all depends on players going elsewhere which may not be ironed out until after the WC. I haven't seen the club officially welcome Berson back into the fold so it seems they are still touting him around France awaiting a buyer. Again, something may have been agreed somewhere, but the first player who goes will set the whole thing moving, this will probably have been done by now without the WC. Don't forget most clubs close down around this time and peope gone on their hols. So, just because the WC is on it doesn't mean there are more people around to do football dealings with.
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Maybe DO'L is on a scouting holiday in Scotland? :-
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Maybe DO'L is on a scouting holiday in Scotland? :-
I can't picture Oleary pitching a tent and rubbing sticks together.
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Morning Robbo. Hope the good lady wife is getting better now.
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Good morning everyone. Is the clock ticking towards 200 yet?
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Good morning everyone. Is the clock ticking towards 200 yet?
No,no,no. Its on page, erm, 19 POINT 4. Ages to go yet. Its okay. We'll set the alarm clock for you. You won't miss a thing..
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Thanks.
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Morning Robbo. Hope the good lady wife is getting better now.
Afraid a little more work to be done yet but am assured normal service will be resumed thanks for the enquiry. It was rather unsettling being very worried on two fronts at the same time especially as i've been supporting Villa longer than i've been married to her.
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I'm worried about being worried unnecessarily!
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I'm worried about being worried unnecessarily!
Don't worry about it.
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Now I'm worried you're worrying about me being unnecessarily worried.
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I'm not worried that you are unnecessarily worried, I'm more worried that you are worried that I think you're worried about me being worried about you.
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I think we should all be worried about how worried we will be when the very worrying next season begins to worry us.
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I'm worried that I don't fully understand the previous few posts. Are you worried about something?
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I'm worried about all these people who are worried, so I typed worried in google, wow, there's loads of help out there ;)
And some of it only costs £250 per session :-
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For our homosexual friends (BE) may I say that I am no way attempting to heterosexualise this thread. Thank-you.
I should have left that quote up about you being caught with your pants down amidst a pile of porn magazines and a bunch of Kleenex stuck to your congealing member. :roll:
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It only took 195 pages to turn gay
Impressive, guys, impressive =D>
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It only took 195 pages to turn gay
Impressive, guys, impressive =D>
If you look back, we skirted towards that direction about 160 pages ago.
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Christ on a bike. IS this thread still plodding on? I thought I killed it off 12 months ago?
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Christ on a bike. IS this thread still plodding on? I thought I killed it off 12 months ago?
Shows how often you show your face in here.
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For our homosexual friends (BE) may I say that I am no way attempting to heterosexualise this thread. Thank-you.
I should have left that quote up about you being caught with your pants down amidst a pile of porn magazines and a bunch of Kleenex stuck to your congealing member. :roll:
Erm. I...well, that is to say, errh, well, ah.
:-#
Also, can i welcome our daylight dandy friends back to this thread. Yes, it still is here. Mac, please don't bother us anymore, as has been explained previoussly we are a night time militia faction that live in an uneasy stand-off with you day time lot. We thought we had an understanding. However, that type of talk- killing us off- only serves to heighten our anger.
Jihad on you, sister. (Fingers clicked from side to side three times)
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That's right Peter, keep the infidels away from our thread. =D>
Bloody hijackers, that's all they are. [-(
Now I'm worried about our thread being taken over. 8-[
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Well, I'me sure between the 3 of us we'll be able to take this to its logical milestone tomorrow. Or the day after at the latest. Around this time. We'll make sure the glory is all ours. OURS, I tells ye.
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Don't forget about me!!
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Don't forget about me!!
Who? :-k
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No idea. I've forgotten myself.
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In a blatant attempt to hijack this thread and take it past 200 pages I'd like to say that there is no reason to be worried about the future whilst we have David O'Leary in charge. The man has ability, integrity and charisma.
Paul McGrath wasn't a very good player.
The new Trinity Road Stand is far better to look at than the old one.
The Queen is a nazi.
The St George flag should be banned from public places.
The VFC do a great job.
Assylum seekers should be put up in 5 star hotels.
Steve Hodge was misunderstood.
Bring back Mark Ansell.
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Some excellent points. But why bring back Mr. Ansell?
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Some excellent points. But why bring back Mr. Ansell?
For the added glamour he brought to the club.
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Pete The juxtaposition of the words work and Ansell are mutually exclusive. Perhaps you meant where is he employed now
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Where does he work now, Ansell that is not Chris.
I'm not sure, although he has been seen around the Central TV studios perhaps he has a finger in something there.
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Perhaps they a bringing back Crossroads
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Whoa whoa whoa =; what are you lot doing here? Be off with you.
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Where does he work now, Ansell that is not Chris.
I'm not sure, although he has been seen around the Central TV studios perhaps he has a finger in something there.
Thanks - just spat me dinner over me monitor!
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Your dinner? Not even dinner -time here, you greddy git...
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Your dinner? Not even dinner -time here, you greddy git...
Okay, okay, it's lunch time. So norks! :smt002
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It's getting awfully crowded in here. We need a couple of bouncers.
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bouncing what? :smt017
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I stopped worrying!
Then I started worrying that I'd stopped worrying.
Which in turn made me worry that starting to worry about not being worried about worrying.
Maybe we need a poll about being worried, or what we worry about the most.
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but that might be a bit worrying & in turn make us even more worried because then we might see what others are worried about & start worrying about that too :smt017
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May I ask what you lot are doing out of the Big Brother house? Get back in there. May I apologise to the gentlemen who look after this serene plac. My itinerants will hopefully no longer darken your door.
No, I'm not worried. I spread the worry.
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I escaped for a bit of a natter!!! :- Ok Evil Master I will return to the house!!! #-o
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The final run chase could be on tonight, I might stay up to try to steal the glory.
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Who said "Who? Me? Worry?" Wasn't it Alfred E Neumann the Paul Scholes lookee likee who was always on the cover of Mad Magazine.
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The nervous 190's, avoid the temptation to go for the boundary, just nudge it to the corners for 1s and 2s to get the double century.
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Here's my contribution.
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Drummond spends far toomuch time on this thread to boost his post count above mine. I demand a recount ](*,)
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Drummond spends far toomuch time on this thread to boost his post count above mine. I demand a recount ](*,)
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Drummond spends far toomuch time on this thread to boost his post count above mine. I demand a recount ](*,)
No I don't.
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Drummond spends far toomuch time on this thread to boost his post count above mine. I demand a recount ](*,)
Nope, I definitely don't.
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Drummond spends far toomuch time on this thread to boost his post count above mine. I demand a recount ](*,)
Although if I think about it maybe I like to contribute to most threads on here, after all it got me to over 4000 posts.
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Jees, would you believe it? 198.
I'll bet by the time I wake up in the morning the night watchmen will have been busy and the double hundred will be up.
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I'LL open the batting today. I'm worried that the chairman has called a meeting where any discussion is pointless as only one outcome is possible.
Go the nightshift.
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Morning Robbo.
The only outcome is Doug saying that there is no money at Villa, while sitting on a big settee with hundreds of bank notes falling out of it. :smt002
I am worried that someone will try and steal Peter's glory today. 8-[
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I will be out for the next three hours but It is beholding on you and I to try and get him over the line. I am worried about Mystic thoughm she/he disappeared for a lengthy spell and suddenly re-appears. You do know she is Mrs Gregory.
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She will not show up on here until Peter has carried us across the 200 mark, otherwise she will be in big trouble. :- :smt002
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C'mon Peter where are you? 8-[
It's getting too close and I can't stay here all day/evening/night guarding the thread. Hope you appear soon. [-o<
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Morning both. Yeah, I'm wottied that Maeteg meg seems to be following my every move. However, between the 3 of us we should be able to carry this baby over the 200 threshold.
So let's do it.
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It was like magic. I prayed and there you were. =D>
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Yeah, let's kill this while the others sleep. O:)
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Now I'm worried that JD and Robbo have disappeared into the tinternet either. Come on fellas. Can't sail this ship alone.
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I'm still here Peter. Robbo popped in earlier and then went, so luckily we are all on board today. \:D/
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How many do we need to bring up the 199? I'm worried that Mr. Woodhall is lurking in the depths of the message board waiting to pounce. 8-[
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Ah, JD, and is if by the magic of tinternet Allah, you are there to answer me call to arms. How's things in New Zealand?
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Getting cold over here. Winter has started, there is a bit of snow on the mountains and the ski season will be starting early this year. Still at least it has stopped raining. [-X
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Well JD, me and thee until Robbo returns. This'll be a doddle. Its 4.27 am in the UK, I've set Dave's alarm clock for 5. He's snoozing gently for half an hour. This'll be a shoo-in.
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Rain? Erm... oh yeah. That water stuff. Forgot about that. Your kids team playing this weekend?
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Well I've cut his modem cable and stolen his datacard, so hopefully he won't be joining us until page 201. :-
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Come on JD. Don't you desert me now. What's happened. Has dave sent round the heavies in NZ and OZ. Well, I'm safely holed up in a cave in Pakistan which is impossible for the most sophisticated surveillance gadgetry to locate. So, it looks like I'll have to abuse, I mean amuse, myself for a bit.
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Ah. There you are. Where has Robbo gone?
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It's stopped raining this week. It has been raining on and off for weeks and training and games keep getting cancelled.
This week its frosty and sunny, ideal weather to dry the grounds out for the weekend.
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Sorry Peter, just had a call from our Marketing Department about a new product we are launching ( I cut them off by mistake the first time, too busy on this thread). :-
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Dave will never find me here, there are 10 million sheep in NZ and I have a 100% woollen suit on. O:)
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Good old English conditions.
We play Saturdays here and kick-off has been at 4.30 ish. When its been 40c +. Not the easiest conditions to play in.
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Ouch. The playing conditions in Christchurch are very similar to England, although not as bad or muddy. Up North in Auckland etc it's worse as the humidity is unbearable. I can't even run for any decent length of time up there. 8-[
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I hope you haven't deserted Peter, or it's become too much for you. We're so close and I have to leave work in about 15 minutes (kids football training tonight).
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Now I'm worried that Robbo is going to miss the triumvirates triumphant march on to the 200 landmark. His wife is probably stamping her foot on the floor and he's running up and down the staairs. 'What is it sweetheart'?, 'TURN THE TELLY OVER', type stuff. Poor man.
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I reckon we only need about four or five more posts to reach the milestone Peter.
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Robbo is here with us in spirit, whatever he is up to at the moment. One of our little overseas cliche is Robbo. =D>
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Don't worry. Eh, I mean worry, but either way between the two of us- and for Robbo of course- we'll get this baby over the line before you go.
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Its not just about the double ton though JD. I'm settled in for the treble hundred. I'm what you call an obdurate poster. Just defending for now before we pinch that quick single.
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Unless you're indulging in a long missive JD I think you should be posting! I'm worried now. What if Dave has got this to crash a post before 200? Just so he can grab the glory that is ours by rights? The night militia are in a frenzied panic. See what happens when you're on 199? Don't panic. Play each post as it comes. Wait for the bad post. Concentrate. Come on.
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=D>
For Jd, Robbo, our man on the inside Legion, Herr Flick for the amusing posts, Martin- if it wasn't for you this thread couldn't be what it is, Shaun Udal, Doug Ellis - really if it wasn't for you none of us would be here, and anyone who has contributed to this being the success it undoubtedly has become. I've enjoyed working with you all. here's to another 100.
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I was waiting for you to bring up the honours Peter. =D> :smt031
I promised after 100 that I would be here at 200 to support you to the double ton and I always keep my word. :smt030
Now we have achieved the 200, shall we a) lock the thread or; b) discuss what a great Manager DO'L is. :-
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S'pose I should do some work now...
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Better go home now. Catch you tomorrow. :smt006
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I was waiting for you to bring up the honours Peter. =D> :smt031
That makes me tearful. But we are a triumverate. My success is your success. Brother. (Sniff). No, no. Just a bit of dust in my eye..
Now we have achieved the 200, shall we a) lock the thread [/quote]
Whaaaaa?
or; b) discuss what a great Manager DO'L is. :- [/quote]
WWHHHHHAAAAAAA? Dear God man have you taken leave of your senses?
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Better go home now. Catch you tomorrow. :smt006
Until tomorrow... \:D/
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DAVE, DAVE, your alarm clock is ringing!
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discuss what a great Manager DO'L is. ????
The magic 200 has disturbed your mind man!!! #-o
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What are you doing here? Surely Mr Big Bollocks will come chasing after you to drag bact to th'ouse.
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YAY! Success!!!!
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Surely this thread can be locked now?
Or are you planning on steaming ahead to 300?
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Although looking at it, 3,000 posts on the thread has to be the next milestone.
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Oi. This is where us night crawlers live. Piss off with your locked nonsense.
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One more post until 3,000.
Do you want it Peter? :-
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Yes, go on Peter you have it.
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Pfft.
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I'm glad it wasn't me that ticked this over, although I'm glad I helped it on it's way.
Well done lads a terrific performance against all odds.
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=D> =D>
Congratulations on a splendid innings, now se if you can smash Lara out of the record books.
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no problem. 502 all the way. Minimum.
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And it's only taken us eight months so far.
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And it's only taken us eight months so far.
What? You want the credit for that as well?????
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Personally I think Jon Fear was right!
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Double century, terrific achievement. Right, concentrate, play with a straight bat, theres at least another fifty out there, the pitch still looks in good shape, but beware this thread may take some spin, such as theres no need to be worried with DOL as manager.
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When this thread reaches 301 it should be with a double. A post from Baden Baden about selling Djemba Djemba and approaching Neville Neville to negotiate the signing of Lua Lua. That would make me much less worried about the future of Villa.
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Personally I think Jon Fear was right!
It had to happen one day.*
*Only joshing Jon, I love you really.
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Jon Fear was right about what? 8-[
No, I haven't taken leave of my senses regarding DO'L, I just thought that by discussing his postive outlook and constant praising of us Villa fans, he is held true to our hearts. I can't think of anyone else I would rather have managing Villa. :-
Hang on, there's a brussel sprout over there. DO'L OUT, brussel sprout IN. Is that better? O:)
Oh well, only 49 pages to go to the next milestone. \:D/
I wonder what will happen first;
a) DO'L gets fired
b) Villa get taken over and HDE leaves.
c) a & b combined [-o< =D>
d) we reach 300 pages.
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Heads down, it's going to be a long haul. And in this bloody weather as well.
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I wonder what will happen first;
a) DO'L gets fired
b) Villa get taken over and HDE leaves.
c) a & b combined [-o< =D>
d) we reach 300 posts.
Well d) happened 2713 posts ago, so I guess it's d)!!
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Drummond, can't you read, it says 300 pages, not posts. :-
Damn you and your correctiveness ](*,)
Oh and thanks for spotting my mistake. =D> :smt002
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Sorry to have missed all the frivoloty after waiting so long but at least we got the desired outcome. This is a thread that is indestructable while we three are on board on to the millionth i say and by that time we may have a new owner and manager. Can anyone explain how an automatic login suddenly wants your username and password (WHICH I CAN NEVER REMEMBER).
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Morning Robbo.
The problem is down to the Villa board being incompetent. They have a fans website that they can't even be trusted to safegueard. FFS, it wouldn't happen if you support anyone else. Before it would be Man U/Liverpool/Chelseas fan sites. Now I bet its not even as good as Wigan's/Charlton's/Portsmouth's/Fulham's etc etc Mediocrity indeed.
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Iwill admit that I have in the past looked in on the official fans website but have come to the conclusion that I am too aged challenged to join in. Their rumours threads usually start with things like, i fink we should get Becks from Real Madrid cos he's good. What is the education system coming too over there? are the three rs still taught? do they still speak English. Bye the way mate good on ya for pulling it off yesterday, i had every intention of waving the flag as you crossed the line but the second love of my life demanded that i complete the household chores,And the shopping and the dog walking before starting dinner preparation. I think she is milking the situation for all it's worth. I have warned her that once she is recovered there will be a price to pay.
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Robbo you were misswed. It was hoped that the 3 of us would all be there at the finishing line. The milestone was for you Robbo. And your wife(I'm filling up again. Cue fake raising of your arm as if I think you're a champion) Not that I don't think it wasn't a team effort of course. The triumverate have stayed the course well. I applaud you, and JD.
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So we are all still worried then? - Im still dodging Big Bollocks! :smt002
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Your chap?
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Is big bollocks on Big Brother?
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So we are all still worried then? - Im still dodging Big Bollocks! :smt002
I didn't realise you knew Dave Woodhall.
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So we are all still worried then? - Im still dodging Big Bollocks! :smt002
I didn't realise you knew Dave Woodhall.
Dave is Big Pockets - not Big Bollocks
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Dave is Big Pockets
....with small openings.
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Dave is Big Pockets
....with small openings.
With Zips on, and a padlock.
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That's approaching twenty four hours, without being worried. Are we into the new optimism now then?
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Must be World Cup Fever...dispelling the worriedness....I think it will only be a temporary lull...I predict that normal worried service will be resumed within a very short time! :-s
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I have had other things to worry about over the weekend, like how my kids team will get on. Suffice to say we had another win 4-2 O:) and are still undefeated this season. \:D/
Had a 16km race this morning as well. First race back after an injury and I ran ok. 8-[
Now worried about England after watching a rather insipid performance. Hopefully they are holding back. [-o<
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Well Done & Congratulations to all concerned on this monumental achievement! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
I must admit I'm now worried about how this thread can be kept fresh and exciting on the way to the 300! :smt002
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I'm sure that HDEOBE and D'OL will enable us to keep things ticking over in the coming months!
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Oh Legion!!!! #-o Now you've got me all worried again :-s
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Well today I am worried that I will get snowed in at work #-o (started snowing at 7am this morning and has been snowing now for 6 hours). I'm also worried that I might get hypothermia when/if I leave work and run home, through the snowstorm. 8-[
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Apart from ' A lickey boom boom down, Informer'...what's snow?
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It's what you worry about when you are going to a Villa game by train. It is known in medical terms as a counter irritant. You are worried about the future of Villa but you are also worried what sort of snow is starting to fall.
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I am worried, its quiet, too quiet.
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Who said Its quiet. It's too quiet. Wasn't that John Wayne just before Gabby Hayes got all the arrows of the Apache nation through his thorax?
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Well it has finished snowing [-o< and the country is a mess. Auckland lost it's power for most of the day yesterday, the South Island came to a standstill (parts of it are still isolated with no power), but I still went for a run after work, through the snow. Bloody cold though. 8-[
Today I am worried that GB will join the Barcodes. #-o
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While i am still worried the rest of Australia is in celebration mode after beating the Nippon Empire. I am bemused how the Japanese goal was allowed, I suppose it is a worry that game officials with very little experience are allowed to officiate at such times as the world cup. Who said GB was going anywhere?
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Who said Its quiet. It's too quiet. Wasn't that John Wayne just before Gabby Hayes got all the arrows of the Apache nation through his thorax?
No, no. Its was Bjork.
Good to see Peter McParland could have got a game v Australia yesterday. That Ozzie frigger wouldn't have got up to complain either. Great goal from Cahill. What a player we missed out on there. But, still. We've got Gavin McCann.
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Yeah, go Gav. :smt002
Preferably as far away from Villa Park as possible. [-o<
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Morning JD. Morning Robbo. JD I'm worried about your kid's team. Shipping far too many goals. You seem to be a bit like Newcastle Utd in the mid 90's. Just hope the rival manager doesn't induce a Keeganesque 'I would love it' response.
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I'm worried that next season's top song will be:
"and now you gotta believe us, and now you gotta believe us.............................we're gonna finish 10th"
followed by
"bring on the lower mid-tablers"
followed by
"we all agree Villa are bigger than Reading"
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That's a good call FTDO, it is worrying.
As for my kids team, well we are working on adopting on the getting the ball out of defence quickly and pushing up as a unit to play the other team offside. Problem we have is that as we don't have official referees, coaches of other teams don't call the offsides (Kiwi's have less understanding of the offside law than women), my kids revert to not playing it. ](*,) Still they have a great approach and confidence and don't get worried if they concede a goal (they just go and score two). :smt002
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A little bit like Brazil then.
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Or like most teams we manage to score against.
Now that is worrying!
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I agree we should try and leave our scoring to the last 30 seconds of injury time, when we do manage to score that is. Oh i'm starting to get depressed again.
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No Robbo we can't leave it that late, as that is is the time already allocated for teams to score against us, if they aren't already winning. ](*,)
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Does anybody have any stats for how many goals-points we lost in the last 15 minutes of a game. Proving my theory that we are an unfit team.
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Unfit, that's worrying.
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Unfit, that's worrying.
I'm worried too, it doesn't bode well for the future...
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Does anybody have any stats for how many goals-points we lost in the last 15 minutes of a game. Proving my theory that we are an unfit team.
We scored 11 and conceded 13 in the last 15 minutes of games which just goes to show that a disproportionate number of goals are scored in that period.
To compare to similar middling teams, Everton scored 5 but let in 10 and 'Boro bagged 9 but conceded 15.
Your theory is flawed.
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"O'Leary targets McUllock as Barry replacement"
got me more than worried. WTF?
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"O'Leary targets McUllock as Barry replacement"
got me more than worried. WTF?
Stride is quoted on the OS as saying there's no truth in the Barry rumours.
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"O'Leary targets McUllock as Barry replacement"
got me more than worried. WTF?
Stride is quoted on the OS as saying there's no truth in the Barry rumours.
Is that the rumour that Barry is the Laguna Niguel of South Wales?
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The Barry Rumour is that Edna Everedge is really a man called Barry. Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous possums?
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That's ridiculous Brian. Everyone knows that Dame Edna is the Queen of Australia. \:D/
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The Barry Rumour is that Edna Everedge is really a man called Barry. Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous possums?
Wot-Gareth Humphries?
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I'm worried that the rest of the Overseas contingent have deserted this thread and moved to pastures new. I've seen you Peter, lurking in the BB thread. [-X
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Many apologies JD. It was the excitement of getting the double ton up. I'm now putting in a concerted effort to get my head back down and plod on to the next milestone.
Brazil Auckland - or whatever your kid's team is called- playing this weekend? You'll have to post a league table. Maybe we can do the team selection here.
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Alas, my team didn't play at the weekend, all games were called off due to the snow earlier in the week. Annoying though, because we trained on Thursday (after they called the games off #-o ) and the pitches were fine.
I had a very quiet weekend, watching World Cup matches and cutting down a couple of trees in the garden.
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Alas, my team didn't play at the weekend, all games were called off due to the snow earlier in the week. Annoying though, because we trained on Thursday (after they called the games off #-o ) and the pitches were fine.
I had a very quiet weekend, watching World Cup matches and cutting down a couple of trees in the garden.
So what have you got to be worried about then?!!
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Worried that you are stalking me Drummond. No that's not worrying, that's scary. 8-[
Seriously, I don't have a lot to be worried about at the moment, but once the World Cup is over and Villa have sold half their squad and purchased no-one then I may be.
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There is not enough worrying on this site at present for my liking. We are being side tracked by those that do not take this thread seriously enough. We are nearly into July and the prospect of not having the numbers to field a side looms ever closer. Those we have want to leave, those we want we can't afford and wouldn't come anyway. Villa Park is starting to resemble Aston market where you could buy anything at a knock down price especially just before closing. I won the pairs (golf) on Saturday but still found time during the round to express my concern to a playing partner who is a kit stealer. He commiserated with me but had a big grin on his face while doing so (prick). So can we have some genuine worriers posting please.
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I'm worried that my current work load will side-track my real worry. hence, setting me up for a huge awakening come August.
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I am so worried that it has made me start to worry about all manner of new worries springing up from old ones. What if we are so hard up and desperate for cash Ellis decides to sell the name of Villa Park? How could you endure going to games at the HP Stadium? or the SunFun Arena? The sale of the Serpentine to "reduce debt" is just the start.
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Don't worry about the HP Stadium Brian, Villa is no longer capable of attaching its name to an up-market brand name like HP, worry instead about watching your football at the 'Loan Shark Home Owner Loan' Stadium or the 'Iffycasino.com' Stadium.
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I'm worried now that I may have taken away someone's worry.
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You can have mine too if you like..Im sick of being worried :-s
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You can have mine as well if you want.
Easy terms arranged.
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Dave, when you say 'easy terms arranged', does that mean that my own worry is at risk if I take on your worries using my own worry as security?
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No, no. That's the beauty. Your worry becomes doubled overnight. In an inflated Villa worry market, you can happily invest in other peoples worry and reap the dividends. You may not be able to shift it any time soon though, so its a bit like Lee Bank.
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OK, so I'm interested, do you offer a free calculator or digital clock if I take on the extra worry?
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That's much better.
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ROBBO, your posts smacks of someone who is no longer worried, I'm worried about it.
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You can't take Valium or Librium or Prozac with alcohol. I am too worried to give up the drink so it is time for some lateral thinking. I am sure arabs have Worry Beads which they fiddle with in their pockets at meetings. At least that is what they said they were fiddling with. The political scene being what it is I very much doubt if you can lay hands on arab products but I have got an old rosary somewhere. Do you think it would work in the same way? You probably need a converter kit like when you connect a mains gas stove to bottled gas. How does EBay work?
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Just count your blessings one by one. Remember all the thrills from last season's games, no worries.
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just read that last post, and in the time it took me to click on reply, and to start typing, I had. All of 'em. If we have less next season...oh God. I've started thinknig about Villa again. I was having ever such a good few weeks. Tut.
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Now here's a real worry. When 'that' goal went in I shouted 'yes' so loud I really hurt my throat, I am worried that since the Chairman has promised us that last season was a 'one off' and that we are as financially sound as everyone except, perhaps, Chelsea, that I may do permanent damage to my vocal cords next season.
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That is a real Freudian slip From The Doug Out. The cords we will be straining will be tied around our throats and secured to the landing balustrade. See The Shawshank Redemption.
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Oh, and here's me thinking you were on about brown trousers again Brian. #-o
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I know nothing about the necks of fish but I do know your sphincter fails its MOT when you top yourself. I shall give all my slacks to Oxfam and top myself in a pair of peach blush Victoria's Secret french caminickers. I have them already put by.
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Well I'm worried that my team wont play again this week. It's minus 4c today and more snow is expected towards the end of the week. I might have to go skiing instead. 8-[
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Serves you right for living in a country where most of the inhabitants can't wait to get out of.
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I don't live in England Robbo. 8-[ The only reason they leave is to experience the world (because they are so far from everyone else). They all come back though.
I do love NZ and don't even care about the cold. I'm just worried that my team's momentum will stop if we don't play for a few weeks. ](*,)
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train em. train em 'ard. Run 'em into the ground until it hurts. Turn 'em into a machine. A well drilled machine that will stamp all over opponents when they get to play a game. Especially those bastards in defence. get them out until they learn the concept of stopping the other team in putting that rouind thing in that net thing. Mek 'em learn the 'ard way.
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Have you been on the Fisherman's Friend again Peter? That was a very passable impression of Dale Winton.
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Well i'm just partaking of a drop of Tasmania better brew while awaiting the finished fishy product in the oven, doesn't stop me from worrying but does give a lovely inward glow, I would put an emoticon at the end if I could bloody work out how to do it.
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Talking of fish, but a huge cod, and two red snappers on Sunday. All for £2.50. Mmmmmmmmmm. Had the cod last night. I'm now doing a passable Homer Simpson type drool. I like living in a country where I feel rich.
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Well i'm just partaking of a drop of Tasmania better brew while awaiting the finished fishy product in the oven, doesn't stop me from worrying but does give a lovely inward glow, I would put an emoticon at the end if I could bloody work out how to do it.
Easy! Just click on one of those little pictures to the left O:) !
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Eeeee. That's the problem with the old folk. They still blame problems with the economy on the new fiddly 5 pence pieces.
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I think I am past the worrying stage. Each morning when I wake up ITV Text 502 , in a little purple box with a premium rate number in tells me how Villa have either 'just broken the Bank' or that 'Megastar snubs Chelsea for Villa' this morning, however, the message on 0800-WASTE0'TIME was a simple, poignant, 'things can only get better' and I do not need to have that explained to me at £1.50 per minute, the next thing you know they'll be telling me that calls will not take a long time coz there really is nothing to say.
I'm not even worried about the old headlines anymore because I don't think there is really much chance of a megastar snubbing Chelsea for Villa.
I might move to NZ because I'm not keen on cold weather and that would give me something to worry about but, as of this moment, I am not worrying at all.
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Eeeee. That's the problem with the old folk. They still blame problems with the economy on the new fiddly 5 pence pieces.
Cheeky git you should realise we both think the same way the difference is in my case the chance of it materialising diminishes by the minute. But just keep this in mind I am your future.
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And I am yours Robbo you young whippersnapper.
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I am now so worried.
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Me too :-s
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And the the thread goes on...
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Just like a soap opera :- :- :- :- :-
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with a slightly better theme tune one would hope..... :-
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Personally, I'm quite fond of the theme tune of The Archers :-$ :-$ :-$ :-$ :-$
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I wont tell anyone.... :smt002
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I don't care, I like The Archers, it can be hysterical, listening to sex scenes on Radio 4 \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
But more worryingly, I'm worried that I don't give a toss that the death knell has been sounded for Top of The Pops :^o :^o :^o :^o :^o :^o
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Its been a very worrying evening all in all. #-o ...still .....lets have another glass of wine.... \:D/ \:D/
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The perfect theme tune for this thread would be from Cabaret - you know - Worry makes the world go round the world go round, Worry makes the world go round.....Do they really have sex in The Archers? I once met the actor who plays Phil. He is the dead spit of the bloke in the Kentucky Fried Chicken ads. Ron Saunders, that's him.
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I worry that someone on here worries sheep
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I worry that someone on here worries sheep
I think it's Fergal (http://72.29.86.139/~heroesa/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=11615&start=30&sid=93cb1cad551d692f670151ba319bb323)! :smt002
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Well Drummond, wear your best Sheepskin coat to the next game at Villa Park and then you might find out. =; That will give you something to be both anxious and worried about. 8-[
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Only Poms live in New Zealand all the Kiwis are over here.
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That's right Robbo. All living off your great benefits system as well, or playing Rugby League. You can keep them all. O:)
The biggest growing population in NZ are Asians. I think they are all coming over here because its so cheap to play Golf. :-
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Fair play JD, New Zealand is in Asia afterall. Well, more or less.
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That's right Peter. NZ and Australia seem to be joining more and more Asian forums, as they have to trade with someone since the Motherland snubbed them for the European Markets. [-X
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With Australia moving 5cm North each year it won't be long before it'll be called South Sri Lanka.
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Our corporate entities would love that, a huge source of cheap labour without having to go off shore. We are getting closer to China though and its a great deal, we sell them all our valuable minerals at knockdown prices they in turn actually make stuff with it and sell it back to us, if only I could find an army of labourers willing to work for a bowl of rice a day I could make a fortune.
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Just allow those boats into your ports and you'll have thousands of them.
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With Australia moving 5cm North each year it won't be long before it'll be called South Sri Lanka.
They'll Probably call it "South Timor" first
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I have cricked my neck looking at my Readers Digest blow up globe to find all these antipodean wildernesses. Can't somebody tell us something about an interesting place near the top of the globe. Baffin Island would be good for me.
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Too bloody cold up that end mate.
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Worrying.
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Extremely so.... :-s
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I just realized The Curse of Asda is striking down the England players. First they signed up Rooney for their ads during the World Cup and he broke his metaarsehole bone so they dumped him and signed Owen who has done his castrated ligaments. I am so so worried that they will sign up Ullysses De La Cruz.
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I'm worried that Martin Laursen may be working for Danish Asda.
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The bottom slapping supermarket! :-
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I wasn't really too worried until the fixtures just come out. Nothing like starting the season with absolutely no confidence whatsoever. Can anyone remember the last time when we saw an opening game and KNEW we were in for a beating?
A few years back we started at Man U and they put 4 past us, but we didn't expect to be murdered. But, such is the stock at Villa Park, we are now looking to games where we may, just may, pick up some points. Reading at home? The must be licking their lips after pushy upstarts Wigan turned us over 2-0 last season. We should have been on such a high after winning at the Shit, but the mananagement couldn't build on that. They went backwards.
We are in trouble already I tells ya.
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I not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but this snippet was in today's Daily Mail.
Aston Villa chairman Doug Ellis has had five major operations in the past year, but the frail 82-year-old, who was part of the FA international committee party in Cologne, says he has no intention of selling his club unless he receives an offer that he 'just can't refuse'
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My God, now that is worrying.
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judging by some of the other threads this one could get a lot more posts if it's name changed to:
Villa Fans Suicidal About Future.
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I not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but this snippet was in today's Daily Mail.
Aston Villa chairman Doug Ellis has had five major operations in the past year, but the frail 82-year-old, who was part of the FA international committee party in Cologne, says he has no intention of selling his club unless he receives an offer that he 'just can't refuse'
So can't find a buyer becomes didn't get good enough offer, spin, spin and spin again. Where's a Russian billionaire when you need him most? I fear our hopes have been dacha-ed for good on that one.
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I not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but this snippet was in today's Daily Mail.
Aston Villa chairman Doug Ellis has had five major operations in the past year, but the frail 82-year-old, who was part of the FA international committee party in Cologne, says he has no intention of selling his club unless he receives an offer that he 'just can't refuse'
So can't find a buyer becomes didn't get good enough offer, spin, spin and spin again. Where's a Russian billionaire when you need him most? I fear our hopes have been dacha-ed for good on that one.
We need to know what he has put in his will.
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Waiting for Godot is at least over although without being overly reliant on the metaphor we were probably Waiting for Vladimir and he isn't coming, something less to worry about.
The worry now though is that the tired old guy whose shoes are hurting is still in charge, we need lucky!
I'm sick of worrying but can't help it.
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When this cretin has gone all reminders of his time at Villa should be removed, history will deem him to be a disaster for our club. When Villa was turned into a P.L.C instead of benefitting the club it just made a fortune for Ellis, remember he still takes three hundred thousand a year for doing what precisely.
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I worried that come the first game of the season we will be hopeful if we only lose by 3 goals. What a great start we have to look forward to. ](*,)
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Well hopefuilly this will expose O Clown, and get rid of his tag as a lucky manager. If he is indeed a lucky manager Henry will be ill, Ljunberg too traumatised by Mellberg to play wee, Fabregas becomes homesick for Spain, the rest of trhem suffer hang-oves from the WC, and Lehmann is in goal. And we scrape a 1-1 draw, then we win 3 on the bounce.
The likelihood is that we'll be somewhere near the bottom getting ready for a struggle. I think he'll be out Sept/October time. The mood of the fans will turn ugly next season. I think it will be the season that breaks the camels back. The momentum of anti-O Clown sentiment was building and it will only take a run of reversals to ignite it again.
really, I think next season is a watershed. O Clown will be out, and the anger won't stop there. Ellis will not be able to appease us with a Villa appointee after the Clown has gone. he will be the target for the anger until he is removed. I think there is a feeling of anger bubbling under the surface for most Villa fans that is only abated as we're in the summer. Whether its anti O Clown, or Ellis, they both will come to the fore next season. Its inevitable. Whether we go down or not, and lets be frank, there is every chance of it happening, we all expect to struggle. The first sign of it happening and Ellis will be reminded that he has been there too long, and his seeming intransigence, will force his hand.
Next season will be shambolic at the club because Ellis down have deemed it that way. What is happening is obviously going to affect the players. They are all ambitious and the stench of rotting wood is coming out of VP.
Should we be worried? As this could be the change that we all hope for. Well, yes. because this could be a knife in the back of Aston Villa that changes who we are for ever. We are no longer a big club with pedigree. But a laughing joke that is like an unwelcome Aunt and Uncle at a family function that just stick around for too long. We have become Coventry. Our demise will be welcomed in the top flight.
This is all too real, and all too sad.
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You know how I feel about Oleary Pete but even with the best manager going I think he would struggle under the rancid breath of the cretin that supposedly chairs the club, given the choice I would gladly see Ellis gone and keep the comedian. I have never in the last thirty years seen this club so rudderless the other board members should hand their heads for alowwing themselves to be used as a nodding tool by Ellis. But we ourselves also must take some of the blame for being so bloody divided that no protest with even a skeric of a chance of success has ever been undertaken. What happened to that guy that was on here a couple of months ago wanting to get something happening?
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Mike Mckenna? No idea. Probably given up like the rest of us. I agree Robbo. The problems all stem from Ellis and his acolytes. because that's what the are. Its not a board. The Clown is a useless manager and should have been sacked on the back of last seasons debacle. But he wasn't. Ellis is prepared to gamble on our postion in the Prem to save himself some money, when the opposite needs to happen. Yes, I understand that cut-backs need to happen, but who negotiated the huge salary of the manager, and his contracr in the first place. Who sacked Langham? Ellis is driving the club into the ground, O Clown, the team. Either way it will be the manager who goes first.
As I said I truly believe that the underbelly of discontent that was starting to build last season will reach a deafening crescendo within 5 or 6 games if we look, and play, anything like we did last season. you can sense it. i will be very surprised if O Leary is here come Novemebr. I'll be astounded if Ellis is come the end of the season. I think that the fans will unite in the fight next season. The only thing that will avert this is a good start. Arsenal away ensures that won't happen. Woe betide O Clown and Ellis if we then lose at home to reading.
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But we ourselves also must take some of the blame for being so bloody divided that no protest with even a skeric of a chance of success has ever been undertaken.
This 'divided fanbase.' What does it really mean? Does it mean that there's a civil war, with two sides funded by outside sources looking to further their own interests? Or does it mean that Villa supporters, like every other group of people on earth, have differing opinions?
There's a tendency amongst those on the internet who want rid of Doug to say that we should all do exactly as they bid and if we don't, we're 'splitting the fans'. Why should they take the blame for anything?
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I agree with Dave on this. If those hoping to foment revolution fail to mobilise the masses they have to ask themselves are their powers of persuasion lacking or is the message they are peddling the wrong one, rather than blame everyone else for being apathetic.
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Chris, how can you agree with Dave if your point is a completely different one. When a clubs fans attempt to get rid of the man at the top they must have a united aim, and a support base to be able to carry through with the pressure being put on the board. There can be no differing of opinions. Ellis does not divide opinion because we all want him out. he is driving the club to breaking point. There is a divided fanbase, in that we don't know how best to do it. Its not civil war its divide and conquer.
Chris, your point is completely different. You're asking about powers of persuasion as if that alone can unite a divided fanbase. If that is true, and it may well be, then you have to take as your basic premise a fanbase that is divided.
Of course its divided, you can't mention Jon Fear, and VFC, without public ridicule on here. The same goes with certain people on H&V and the Supporters Trust to other people.
We're not united. We do a lot of posturing about he said that, and they want this, and they do that. Without getting much done. We're all guilty of it to some degree.
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Ellis does not divide opinion because we all want him out.
No we don't, and that's the point Chris & I are making. Most people who attend Villa Park on matchdays haven't got strong feelings about him one way or the other. There's an extremely vocal minority who claim that 'everyone' agrees with them but other elements somehow cause division.
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No, its O Leary that divides opinion. If we had a poll asking who thinks Ellis should remain in charge do you really think it wouldn't be a landslide wanting him to removed?
The problems at the club stem from one man. He needs to go. I'll be surprised if there is anyone even on here who would say, 'No keep Ellis in charge. He's doing fine'.
I'll defy you to find one poster.
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'On here' isn't the problem. 'On the internet' isn't the problem either.
But there's a world of difference between a website that a couple of hundred people use and 30,000-odd people on a matchday. Most football supporters just want to watch football, and haranguing them for being apathetic and divided isn't going to rally them to any cause.
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And shrugging your shoulders is? Let me go on by saying that I haven't mentioned apathy, divided, haranguing, as part of next season. My posting today started by stating that after a few games a continuation of last season will see people's anger come to the fore. There will be no apathy, as I get the feeling that the anger is still simmering from last season.
We're all full of poo-poohing ideas, but short of putting things forward. We are divided as a club fan base, we are apathetic to a degree. But, as I said, I think that is in the short-term. Emotions get stirred up very quickly in 3 areas. religion, politics, and your football club. Ellis has misjudged this one and will be found wanting next term.
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There will be no apathy, as I get the feeling that the anger is still simmering from last season.
Possibly, but a couple of signings and a couple of home wins and all is forgiven.
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We are divided as a club fan base, we are apathetic to a degree.
Of course we're divided. There's 30,000-odd of us. Do you really think we should all have the same opinion? It's like saying the country's in a mess becasue the electorate is divided.
Those who don't protest don't want to protest. That's not apathy, it's their choice.
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I think we should get back to the core theme of this thread which is worrying. The planets will remain in their Time Of Pointless Bickering phase until the end of July when they will move into General Bickering phase. I suggest if barbs we have for each other they are best kept unhurled until there is some concrete evidence to bolster our individual prejudices. I am very worried as I post this because my son is driving through Munich in his 1982 shirt with his Villa scarf flying from the window of his car. My deep concern is that he and his friends will be mistaken by the locals for West Ham fans visiting the city to celebrate the rise of Adolf Hitler there in 1933.
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We are divided as a club fan base, we are apathetic to a degree.
Of course we're divided. There's 30,000-odd of us. Do you really think we should all have the same opinion? It's like saying the country's in a mess becasue the electorate is divided.
Those who don't protest don't want to protest. That's not apathy, it's their choice.
There's 30 000 of us with the same opinion of Ellis, despite you opining to the opposite in an earlier thread. Whether the wish to protest or not is not the point. The point is that we as a fan base, rightly or wrongly, and I haven't made any point either way about this, are doing very little about it. But, as I said I think that will change very early next season.
Chris, I agree. This is based on my belief that we will see the same next season as the last. if we get off to a decent start then all this is a moot point. The same to a lesser degree, about signings.
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There's 30 000 of us with the same opinion of Ellis, despite you opining to the opposite in an earlier thread.
Now you're just being ridiculous. You think every single Villa supporter wants to get rid of him?
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I don't believe there are differing opinions about whether Ellis should go for the huge majority of supporters there is no argument, how this translates itself into protest was shown not many weeks ago in the orange balloon fiasco against Oleary where at best it can be said orange ballons were seen at the ground. It does seem however that evert time a poster puts forward an idea for protest there are so many knockers. There may still be some that believe OLeary should be given longer but its been a long time since i've seen any support for Ellis.
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I think the issue is not the number of people who attend the matches. As Dave says, many are not probably inclined to voice their concern over the running of the club and do not have a deep-rooted / blind faith for Villa that translates into anger over the pointless waste of potnetial that the Master of Mediocriy has presided over.
No, the issue is over the number of hard-core supporters who are prepared to do something to right the wrongs of the Ellis-years - many of whom voice their clear anger and frustration in fora like this. We do not appear to have enough angry hard-core fans, yet, to form a critical mass of protesters. Until more of the 'moderates' become hard-core we will continue to lack the people-power that we need.
A lack of credible transfers over the close season and a poor start to the new campaign might just be the tipping-point for some more angry people; but don't hold your breath: our record in this area is not good.
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There's 30 000 of us with the same opinion of Ellis, despite you opining to the opposite in an earlier thread.
Now you're just being ridiculous. You think every single Villa supporter wants to get rid of him?
No I'm not. So, if anyones is being ridiculous its your pandering to everyones middle ground. You agree with the sentiment as you've said so on enough occasions. Is the Damascene conversion to the 'lets not get rid of Ellis' either.
a) Devils advocate
b) Arguing for the sake of it
c) Arguing for the sake of the website
d) A truly held belief tha Ellis should remain in charge.
We, and I'm one of the guilty party, harangued Chris Smith over his David O'Leary stance last season. So. I'll ask the same of you Dave. What exactly is your stand poiunt over Doug Ellis. If its that he should go, what is the reason for your stance now?
Don't take this the wrong way, as its meant as a seriou question, are you worried about sales of H&V if you nail your flag to any one mast? If not, I find your stance curious.
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I've seen some nonsense written on here, but the above post must be right up there with the best.
I don't think that every single Villa supporter wants to get rid of Doug Ellis, so according to your twisted logic I must want him to stay.
Have I ever said that? No. Have I said I want him gone? Every time the question's asked. Have I campaigned to get rid of him? Plenty of times. Have I realised that there's no point, because he'll go when he wants to? A few years ago. Have you got any evidence to back up your claim? None at all. Am I getting tired of your regular digs about H&V? Definitely.
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Are you just getting frustrated? Where above was a dig? I put some honest questions up, but you want to twist it to some anti H&V thing which is as pathetic as it is childish and stupid.
Just because we may not agree on a certain subject does not mean either of us is anti anything, merely that we are probing ideas about one subject we are all concerned about.
did my 'twisted logic' state you wanted him to stay or did it put questions which you didn't answer? I was one of many people who questioned Chris Smith last season- sorry to use you here Chris- but you are not even attempting to answer any questions that may target your replies.
Regular digs at H&V? Show me a regular dig at H&V.
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Effdee may have a point maybe the bulk of supporters are not yet angry enough, which begs the point what will it take. It may sound strange but I do have a little sympathy for Oleary at this stage, can't wait for the book to come out. I have absolutely no sympathy for Ellis.
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Are you just getting frustrated? Where above was a dig? I put some honest questions up, but you want to twist it to some anti H&V thing which is as pathetic as it is childish and stupid.
Just because we may not agree on a certain subject does not mean either of us is anti anything, merely that we are probing ideas about one subject we are all concerned about.
did my 'twisted logic' state you wanted him to stay or did it put questions which you didn't answer? I was one of many people who questioned Chris Smith last season- sorry to use you here Chris- but you are not even attempting to answer any questions that may target your replies.
Regular digs at H&V? Show me a regular dig at H&V.
But before that he said.
, if anyones is being ridiculous its your pandering to everyones middle ground. You agree with the sentiment as you've said so on enough occasions. Is the Damascene conversion to the 'lets not get rid of Ellis' either.
And after I'd answered every question he asked he said.
but you are not even attempting to answer any questions that may target your replies.
He also said
are you worried about sales of H&V if you nail your flag to any one mast?
which doesn't seem to show much kn
owledge of H&Vs passim, particularly from someone who has said more than once that it isn't as outspoken as it used to be.
Which is it? Do I want Doug to stay ("Damascene conversion") or go ("You agree with the sentiment").
You twice said I haven't answered questions. Which ones?
You reckon 30,000 people all support your point of view. Where are they?
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Bloody hell you really have got problems. Right, lets start again as you obviously are starting an argument that wasn't there.
I stated that you had shown anti- Ellis statements every time previously. You had mentioned that it was time to go. I believed that was a sentiment that all Villa fans shared.
This is the first time anyone has jumped to Ellis's defence in the 'We all want him out' tenet.
The Damascene Conversion comment is how you've flitted (or should I say 'he' all the time? In the mistaken belief that anyone else really gives a shit about our posts, like you do? You think this is a soap opera?) from Ellis Out to well not everyone wants Ellis out. Really? As I said give me 1 poster, or person that you know you is a Villa fan who thinks Ellis is doing a good job and wants him to stay. but that's one of the questions that you said you've answered I suppose.
The question about H&V? Wasn't answered at all. It was a serious question, but as ever, if anyone dares question H&V you throw the toys out of your pram. As, you seem to be an expert at quoting me its strange that you didn't quote me correctly that its not as outspoken as it used to be. Which I believe was a quote from a year ago? Nearly well remembered.
Why are you making such a big noise about this? Something which started with me and Robbo stating that things need to change. That we all want Ellis out, etc etc. Yet you seem to be on a one man crusade looking for an argument that isn't there.
Cut out the HE said bollocks as well. You're not on your soap-box in Speakers Corner.
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I appreciate that there's less than a handful of people who are in the a slightest bit arsed about this thread, so this is my last word on the subject.
Wanting Doug out is a million miles from saying that not everyone wants him to go. If you're going down that daft road, my mate Dave in Shirley - I asked him yesterday and he said he wasn't fussed but he thought Doug had been okay in the past. It wasn't me that started an argument; if you look back you'll see that I pointed out not everyone wants rid of Doug and I don't appreciate this line that anyone who disagrees is somehow splitting the fans. I'd call that a common sense approch but it seems to have touched a nerve somewhere.
I'm not the one with problems, but then again I'm not the one using words like childish, pathetic and bollocks about someone else's opinions and then claiming it's them who started it, miss.
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Was it only three years ago that we all, me included were pleading with Ellis to get Oleary signed up quick smart before he was snapped up by one of our bigger rivals, when we looked forward to the new season with optimism. I can only hope that there are big surprises in store for the faithfull. Chill out guys.
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I appreciate that there's less than a handful of people who are in the a slightest bit arsed about this thread, so this is my last word on the subject.
Wanting Doug out is a million miles from saying that not everyone wants him to go. If you're going down that daft road, my mate Dave in Shirley - I asked him yesterday and he said he wasn't fussed but he thought Doug had been okay in the past. It wasn't me that started an argument; if you look back you'll see that I pointed out not everyone wants rid of Doug and I don't appreciate this line that anyone who disagrees is somehow splitting the fans. I'd call that a common sense approch but it seems to have touched a nerve somewhere.
I'm not the one with problems, but then again I'm not the one using words like childish, pathetic and bollocks about someone else's opinions and then claiming it's them who started it, miss.
yawn :roll: yes I used the words but only because of your nonsensical digs. Erm, yes it was you who started the argument, but for sake of ending lets just say ......................AND CUT.
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Was it only three years ago that we all, me included were pleading with Ellis to get Oleary signed up quick smart before he was snapped up by one of our bigger rivals, when we looked forward to the new season with optimism. I can only hope that there are big surprises in store for the faithfull. Chill out guys.
He started it :smt012
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Was it only three years ago that we all, me included were pleading with Ellis to get Oleary signed up quick smart before he was snapped up by one of our bigger rivals, when we looked forward to the new season with optimism. I can only hope that there are big surprises in store for the faithfull. Chill out guys.
And a lot less than that when we were all pleading with them both to sort out a new contract.
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Which goes to prove that most of us can be wrong some of the time. I suppose if at Xmas Villa by some miracle are in the top six it will be something that Chris Smith will be reminding us of =P~
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Which goes to prove that most of us can be wrong some of the time. I suppose if at Xmas Villa by some miracle are in the top six it will be something that Chris Smith will be reminding us of =P~
Big Brother would like to remind everybody that anyone showing signs of insanity may be dragged into the Big Brother house and be shackled to Trevor Francis until he talks you to death.
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Worrying level of aggression here.
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Shows how worry can become anger at the blink of a 'I know what needs to be done' summer. Especially when the answer was 'Feck-All' all the time. Maybe O Clown is just far too intelligent for us to understand.
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Maybe O Clown is just far too intelligent for us to understand.
Keeping a £1.7 million a year job for his level of performance shows intelligence beyond anything I could comprehend.
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1.7 million a year the worlds gone mad.
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If we were to sack the Clown, why could we not pay up his contract in instalments. he has said enough times that we have no money himself, so he could heardly be expected to want the money up front as part of his severance.
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If we were to sack the Clown, why could we not pay up his contract in instalments. he has said enough times that we have no money himself, so he could heardly be expected to want the money up front as part of his severance.
The trouble is, the bloke has no integrity at all. If he had he would have done the decent thing and resigned. ](*,)
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If we were to sack the Clown, why could we not pay up his contract in instalments. he has said enough times that we have no money himself, so he could heardly be expected to want the money up front as part of his severance.
The trouble is, the bloke has no integrity at all. If he had he would have done the decent thing and resigned. ](*,)
If he had any integrity he wouldn't be so flippant regarding the clubs history. Ask him about Arsenals, or Leeds', and I bet he's not so condescending. If he had any integrity he wouldn't constantly try to distance himself from the fans. if he had any integrity he wouldn't take Villa scoring a goal as a chance for him to point a people behind the dugout as if to say 'nar-nar-ne-nar-nar'. If he had any integrity he wouldn't traipse across our hated rivals pitch and then tell us all its for the chairman, and ignore the fans. If he had any integrity he wouldn't put out a woefully lacking team of kids agains Everton last season, in the words of Steve McMahon 'He's sent out a team to lose'. If he had any integrity he wouldn't become smarmy and pretend he suddenly loves us all when his job becomes shaky. If he had any integrity he wouldn't do a walk of shame around the pitch hiding behind children.
If he had any integrity he may still have some popularity amongst the masses. He hasn't. He doesn't. He shoukl still go.
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Top post Peter my man. =D> I agree wholeheartedly with you. The man is a leech. ](*,)
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What nobody worrying anymore? No new worries? I'm worried that we aren't worried enough.
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We haven't stopped worrying. Its just that during the World Cup, we have a chance to ignore Villa.
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I would like in independent opinion on the penalty awarded to the Italians. Was it or should the player have been booked for acting?
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Penalty in my view - Grosso didn't need much encouragement to go down but having got into the box and beaten one player, he was waiting for a silly sliding challenge and Neill dived in.
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I reckon the ref didn't fancy running up and down the pitch for another 30 minutes and he wanted to be in his hotel in time for the evening game.
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Never a penalty!
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Definite penalty, the Aussie player went to ground, missed the ball and the Italian tripped over him, stonewall.
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I don't think it was a penalty, but who cares, it's only Australia. 8-[
I'm worried that there aren't enough worried people around here. [-(
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I'm worried that anyone cares that the Aussies are out. Let's revel in a sport where we are better than they are.
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Debateable penalty as he chose to trip over a player who was already on the ground but I'm glad it was given.
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Why the antipathy by some toward your Australian brothers are we not the fledgling football nation, the proverbial underdog or is it you were a little nervous at the prospect of meeting the Aussies along the way. J.D just because the Kiwis play football as they do cricket its no reason to hold a grievance against your near neighbours. We had enough with a couple of thousand so called Italian - Australians in Lygon street cheering the penalty. Strange that most Australians will now support England.
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Why the antipathy by some toward your Australian brothers are we not the fledgling football nation, the proverbial underdog or is it you were a little nervous at the prospect of meeting the Aussies along the way.
It's beacuse you were getting ideas above your station.
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I'm worried that there aren't enough worried people around here. [-(
I'm extremely worried that I may have to leave the country today should you know what happen.
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Robbo, that's why I had the 8-[ next to my post. Over here in NZ everyone I knew was behind Australia (not often a Kiwi would admit to that). My post was tongue in cheek Robbo, I also wanted the Aussies to beat Italy.
Even this morning the NZ 'experts' in the studio were saying it's a shame Australia got knocked out as they could have beaten Ukraine.
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I'm also worried that nobody can answer my pub quiz question in Time Wasters and as I'm off tomorrow for two weeks, I have have just killed the thread.
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The players return for pre season training in 9 days time so I thought it would be worthwhile to get prepared for this by easing my worries, setting out what I feel to have been the positives from the summer so far:
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The players return for pre season training in 9 days time so I thought it would be worthwhile to get prepared for this by easing my worries, setting out what I feel to have been the positives from the summer so far:
Shit, that many? I have under estimated the Villa's summer. Again. can I take this opportunity to say fuck shit piss arsehole wankers. And be happy that Eriksson's gone. But then remember whose coming next.
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OK here are some pluses:
We have not had to suffer O'Leary as a World Cup pundit.
We haven't bought any has beens.
We haven't bought any ex-Leeds players or any players from Sunderland.
We've only lost Milner.
It's been a few weeks since we've had any bullshit from Ellis or O'Leary.
Reading, Sheff U and Watford haven't bought anybody.
We didn't waste a fortune on Shevchenko.
We haven't brought back Dwight Yorke.
We've reduced our debt.
The fixture list has been quite kind to us, no long run of tough matches.
Apart from the big four, only Spurs, Everton, Middlesborough, have spent any real money.
None of our players was injured at the World Cup.
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And of the teams who finished below us, Portsmouth are trying to throw money left right and centre. Reading will open their wallet, which leaves us struggling. Again.
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I am worried because I cannot gasp why the fact that next season's 'battleground' for us will at best be, Portsmouth, Fulham, Charlton and Manchester City and, as likely, Reading, Watford, Sheffield United, when it used to be Arsenal, Man United and Liverpool is not regarded by absolutely everybody as abysmal failure by all concerned in the running of a great club like Aston Villa.
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I am worried because I cannot gasp why the fact that next season's 'battleground' for us will at best be, Portsmouth, Fulham, Charlton and Manchester City and, as likely, Reading, Watford, Sheffield United, when it used to be Arsenal, Man United and Liverpool is not regarded by absolutely everybody as abysmal failure by all concerned in the running of a great club like Aston Villa.
I can (sharp intake of breath and)..... GASP!
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Thanks for that, I've got the hang of it now, can you help with grasping next?
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I think we should explore the purchasing anti-depressents in bulk as it's going to be a very long season. Only a few more days before we get to hear yet again more pearls of wisdom from Norman, whats the betting he really goes to town on what a wonderful bunch of young players we have coming through and the fact that by some miracle a player that we thought crippled for life has made a miraculous recovery and so there will be no need another central defender. It's cold and wet over here, shit i'm fed up.
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You may be fed up Robbo, but you have semingly found a source of energy. Such ire. I'm worried that Ellis has found it too.
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I am worried that none of the players we are being linked with, Danny Mills, Daniel Mills and Dan Mills are any better that the players who we already have, they would be run of the mills signings I fear.
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I see Francis Jeffers has signed for Blackburn on a free. I know he's had his troubles but at only 25 surely he'd have been worth a place in the squad?
I can see us not signing anyone I really can.
WE ARE DOOMED
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Apart from when he burst on to the scene at Arsenal - and scoring for Charlton against us- what has he done to earn a career in the Prem? Absolutely no to Jeffers.
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The only positive I can give him is that he keeps the long standing midlands nickname of Wing Nut alive and etymologically secure in the language.
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Waiting...waiting....waiting.....
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I am even more concinced that there is a game of brinkmanship going on between the cretin and the comedian, there is a game being played out between them to the detriment of Aston Villa. Ellis wants him out but without compensation, Oleary wants out but on his terms. Meantime we wallow in the stench of decay this pair has bought to our great club with Ellis being the main offender. What I have not yet fathomed is the reasoning behind Ellis not sacking Oleary, If we believe what some say that we can't afford the payout,what happens if we lose the first five games? everyone predicts that Oleary would be sacked but if we don't have the money now how will we have the money then? The anticipation by some of getting an over the hill 34 year old depresses me, what have we become?
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Robbo, I think the difference is that Doug, the wizened old fucker, realises that if we get off to a bad start the crowd will turn on the Clown. Those at the game anyway. He'll be hoping that the pressure would force the clown's hand and make him resign. hence, no compensation. On the other hand, he knows that if the Clown is still in a job come Christmas, then we will be doind at least mid-tableish, and then the pressure will be off. Ellis knows then that he can release a bit of money to be spent to get us through to the summer, and the new Sky windfall. One year left on the Clowns contract come next summer, and if we are still lower mid-table then he'll ease the manager out. Either way its a win-win situation as far as Ellis is concerned.
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Sadly I think Ellis is kidding himself if he thinks the thickest skinned manager we have ever had would resign without anything other than a massive financial payout.
DOL does not give a toss what the fans think of him!
I hope Ellis sacks him the night before arsenal away trip, that would really pi55 on his chips.
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I am worried that on the club call advert on teletext the only thing they could fond to write was
'Villa first game at Emirates Stadium?'
I'm worried that a) they have run out of stories about Galacticos joining us, or that they now believe Villa are so hopeless than absolutely nobody will believe it and...
b) they have run out of !! and ?? since there are usually at least six after each headline
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It's now 150 pages since Laughing Gravity departed this mortal coil.
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This is my first contribution to this thread.
Felt I should do my bit.
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Thanks! I'm the 'insider', by the way!!
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This is my first contribution to this thread.
Felt I should do my bit.
Well you don't seem worried one jot! What sort of contribution is that?!
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Exactly, you guys really arn't depressed or worried enough to enter our world.
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I'm worrying. Does that count?
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I'm worrying. Does that count?
I think it is an integral part of being an Aston Villa supporter if by some miracle we were second on the ladder we would be worrying about how to become first. Its in our blood after generations of disappointment with the odd teaser season thrown in. By that adage this thread will never close nor should it.
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Thanks! I'm the 'insider', by the way!!
Oi! Mouth. Don't give away all our secrets.
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Perhaps I'm a double-agent?
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I'm worrying. Does that count?
It depends, are you mentally worrying about something or physically worrying sheep?
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I prefer to think that I make other people worry.
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Well now that the World Cup finished last week its only Villa's close season transfer activity we've got to talk about. Fuck. ](*,)
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I'm not worried. I'm going on holiday any second now.
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Are you not worried that you have inevitably forgotton something?
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Are you not worried that you have inevitably forgotton something?
Thanks for reminding me.
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I'm now trying to find things to rhyme with worry to take my mind of things.
Scurry
Curry
Murree
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slurry?
Murali?
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Murray?
Hurry!
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Try "orange" (monosyllabic words such as "tinge" are not acceptable)
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lozenge kind of works and there's boringe
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Try "orange"
That's the poorest rhyme for 'worry' I think it would be possible to have; try again BE.
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The traditional cop out for the orange rhyme used to be the department store Gorringes in Bayswater now a mega Spud Anyhow U Like. On the assumption that the store bore a family name there must have been a Mr or Mrs Gorringe QED. All I can come up with for a rhyme with Worry is Murrumbidgee (spelling approximate) which flows through one of the antipodean wildernesses our night time thread bandits prowl around.
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slurry
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lozenge kind of works and there's boringe
Did I mention that half-rhymes are not permitted? And proper nouns too.
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Can we get back to worrying please I would feel much more at home.
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Okay. A month or so to go in the summer that sees us doing what we knew needed to be done. Nothing doing so far...
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Maybe it's the Melbourne winter thats getting me down. Hold on no it's not it's Ellis.
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Maybe it's the Melbourne winter thats getting me down. Hold on no it's not it's Ellis.
Pfft. Apparently Steve in Shirley likes him. Which sounds like a film I didn't once see...
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It sounds like he prefers them in trousers.
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Short trousers too. Short enough for Ellis to be able to compare his massive quads with George Curtis back in the day. Just before he invented the bicycle kick, and beat Rod Laver in straight sets at Wimbledon, and built aeroplanes with his bare hands, and fucked off from Villa for just long enough for us to have the best period in our history. Ahhhh Doug, you're a star.
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Have to remind robbo and JD the importance of being worried at this point.
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I am worried that you may be implicated in the disappearance of the Mystic, strangely quiet since a few caustic remarks from you.
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I am concerned.
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I am worried that you may be implicated in the disappearance of the Mystic, strangely quiet since a few caustic remarks from you.
I agree =D>
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I am worried that Hello! magazine has not yet secured the picture rights of the bruise on Materazzi's chest.
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Robbo, just thought that if I gave you a usual Musty Cavern insight then you'd feel relieved. As if they, he, she was really here.
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Robbo, just thought that if I gave you a usual Musty Cavern insight then you'd feel relieved. As if they, he, she was really here.
If you are into cross dressing go ahead.
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Robbo, just thought that if I gave you a usual Musty Cavern insight then you'd feel relieved. As if they, he, she was really here.
If you are into cross dressing go ahead.
Not I dear sir, I'm just referring to the obvious schizophrenic nature of the multi persona that is Maesteg Caverns.
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I'm still worried, although hopefully all will change when I return from my foreign sojourn. See you later chaps, enjoy the massive signings that take place 30 seconds after I leave the country!
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I'm worried that you'll have a great hoilday and not want to return. Going anywhere good?
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I'm worried that renovation of my house doesn't finish before the summer ends. My windows are sealed and there's 28 degrees (celsius) in my apartment.
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Go and sit in the sauna. It will be cooler in there.
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Or just wait until August-June when Helsinki will revert back to its usual -28 degrees.
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Cheers for suggestions. I don't have a sauna ](*,) so I'll have to go with peterw's one.
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'Worried thread in Page 2 shock'
We'll have none of that thank-you. [-X
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Players now worried over Villa future. Someone mail them the link to this thread, can't have them starting their own, wouldn't want Legion to have to Merge them.
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This is the refuge of the worried home to the villa depressed, valiumsville.
We mighy all implode taking on player concerns.
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This thread's still frigging going then.
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I've gone past worried. I can only dream of the day that Villa's activities improve my mood back up to worried.
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I was worried that I would go away on holiday and something exciting will happen at Villa Park. Just got back and I really should have known better ](*,) ](*,)
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But something exciting has happened JD Peter W has had his evil way with Mystic and she has vanished, now if only he could do the same with Ellis and Oleary.
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Mystic Raven was a figment of our collective imagination.
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I'm worried about her, she went to Germany and never came back.
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I think she was a rather nice warm person who always used to put up smiley faces for my early posts encouraging me to go on to be a real whining old git. I do not think I could have imagined her even as part of a collective group brain phenomenon. I hope she comes back.
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But something exciting has happened JD Peter W has had his evil way with Mystic and she has vanished, now if only he could do the same with Ellis and Oleary.
I tracked 'em down. One woman and two Uni students. Bless they were bored. They've all gone home for the summer though so couldn't keep up with the amusing Mystic nonsense. How I miss their in depth analyses and deep thinking in the discussion forum.
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Wasn't Deep Thought the computer in Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy? Oscar will tell us. The last thing I want to do at the moment is think deeply about Villa. If I do I have this horrible premonition that I shall finish up like Perter Finch in that movie (Network?) screaming from an upstairs window "I am as mad as hell and I can't take any more!" Lots of shallow thinking is the order of the day I would venture to suggest. Take our mind off things. Stop us worrying.
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Stop us worrying? Nice to see you here brian, but please, no more of that kind of talk.
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Stop us worrying? Nice to see you here brian, but please, no more of that kind of talk.
Give him time Pete wew were like him once. O:)
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I am worried that my Ellis cornered thread has disappeared and I am away from my office so cannot determine if I have been censored by the thought police or was it the legal department?
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Robbo, shame on you. Coming here to talk about other threads. Sorry, I just can't look at you. Turn away from me. TURN AWAY FROM ME.
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No worrying today chaps & chapesses!!! Today is for smiling & stuff!
xxxx
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And to think it dropped to page 2.
Tut Tut!
I guess nobody is worried anymore.
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Which is worrying.
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Well i am worried the year after coming to Oz after years of misery Villa win the league, after days of torment over the players revolt Oleary is sacked just at the time when i'm out of town and can't get to a terminal. I feel jinxed but maybe if i go away for a week when i come back Ellis may been gone. Should I be worried?
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Well i am worried the year after coming to Oz after years of misery Villa win the league, after days of torment over the players revolt Oleary is sacked just at the time when i'm out of town and can't get to a terminal. I feel jinxed but maybe if i go away for a week when i come back Ellis may been gone. Should I be worried?
No. Just go away for a week and see what happens - please.
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Now I'm worried about who is going to replace DO'L. 8-[
Please, please, please let it be Martin O'Neill. [-o< [-o< [-o<
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Me too, JD. We have to do everything necessary to get Martin O'Neill, It will give the whole club such a lift; a top manager that has the skill, patience and determination to build up back up to where we belong.
Saying that, wasn't it so refreshing to hear Roy Aiken after the game tonight sound so positive about the team, the club and the fans. It does make you think what he must have been thinking when the Clueless One was spoating his negitive bollocks, week in, week out.
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I'm genuinely worried Ellis will give Aitken the job. He wouldn't would he? No, surely not. Would he? I'm worried.
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I'm worried about all you guys on here. Oh no I'm one of you now. #-o
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I'm worried we'll be left in limbo so close to the season and will have to make do with Aitken. True, he appears a much more likeable individual than the Stevehodge of the dug out, but I doubt he has much more coaching ability.
Come on new owners
Come on Martin
Make my bloody century
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I'm worried Villa fans are pushing for this chap called Micky Neville to lead us to the promised land and we don't even know if he knows the way. 8-[
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I'm very happy that so many are worrying our base is growing and yet it doesn't seem to ease my worry that we are building ourselves up again to maybe be disappointed once again. Will MON agree to come will Ellis from the dark side finally leave us so we can become a success once more, the rumours are flying around, a snippet of information here and there and of course the inevitable correspondent who knows exactly whats going on but is sworn to secrecy. It's all doing my head in, will somebody please stop the bus I want to get off.
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yes i can finally join in this early morning thread.
For some strange reason i'm fairly confident that MON will be the next manager.
I just hope doug sells, MON comes in and sells angel straight away what a result that would be
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yes i can finally join in this early morning thread.
For some strange reason i'm fairly confident that MON will be the next manager.
I just hope doug sells, MON comes in and sells angel straight away what a result that would be
I'm worried you won't recognise a quaility footballer if he walked up to you, kicked you in the nuts and said "Hello Big Daddy p 23, I'm a quality footballer".
Where's your ol' fella, he understand a thing or two about football, get him in here, while you get yourself off to bed. School tomorrow!
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I'm extremely worried as gregnash repeatedly stated that Rothschilds are not doing their job and it's all a cover up for Ellis to stay in power.
Oh yeah..... and the little bet we had between us.
Greg?
Greg, Greg, you there?
Shit! Now I'm worried that Greg's been kidnapped.
Anybody with any information reparding the where abouts of Youg Greg, please contact your local police station or call 0121 322 2109.
Keep 'em peeled!
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I ate his liver with some fava beans.
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Thought it was time i posted on here.
Im worried i may be stupid enough to drive to Hull tomorrow
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I'm worried I might want some more diet coke and I just drank my last drop.
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Thought it was time i posted on here.
Im worried i may be stupid enough to drive to Hull tomorrow
I went to Hull for a pre-season friendly in the late 80's, a most, if not the most uneventful Villa game I recall.
However, events over the last few days draw comparisons with the final games of the 74/75 season. Going to Blackpool, chasing the dream.
Shit, there is so much life in this club, it just needs the opportunity to breath.
Enjoy!
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I'm worried that working in North Carolina this week, I'll miss the announcement of MON's appointment due to the time difference!
Even better than that, I'm worried I'll miss Doug's leaving speech! [-o<
I'm even more worried that I'll get up in the morning and there'll be a 300 page thread on the new owner and manager and the "worried" thread will become obsolete!!! 8-[
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I refuse to get excited we have been down this path all too often. I am worried that if nothing eventuates many posters will self destruct in a vacuum of black dog depression. I prescribe a medium strength tranquiliser just to keep things on an even keel.
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I am worried that if we get very rich new owners and MO'N as Manager that we will no longer have anything to worry about. 8-[ O:)
I'm more worried that I have no time to spend on here at the moment, due to working full time on a project at work. ](*,)
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J.D work will always be there but big events at Villa are not surely you will not let the capitalist system rob you of your just deserts. Having said that I think i'll have a walk round and see if everyone is doing what they should be. Am I allowed to worry about small margins on this thread?
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I'm worried I am going to wake up in a minute and this was a beautiful dream - will somebody pinch me -
awwww awwww get off get off ...... whoopeee \:D/
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Robbo I found that my typists can work out their own margins. You only save tiny amounts on typing paper. Fuck work. Ride the wave. We have all waited a long time for this.
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I'm now worried that the takeover had relegated this thread to the back pages - just cheering myself up by elevating it to it's rightful home at this time of the morning! \:D/
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I've been worried almost all of my adult life - I'm worried now that as I've only 5 posts to my name that it will be considered inferior worry - I was worried last night when I went to work in the former-communicable tropical diseases hospital that maybe, just maybe a bug or two was still hanging about... but I mostly worried that having not been near a telly for 12 hours, that the takeover wouldn't be done and dusted and it would all have gone tits up... ](*,)
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There is certainly a germ hanging around at Villa Park the sooner we eradicate it the better. I have deliberately ignored this thread for a while waiting to see how long it would take for the unbelievers to seek refuge. Never fear we are always here.
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I am worried still. 'Unnamed backers' worries me. Ellis wanting a continuing role worries me. The buyer buys the seller sells, that's how it works. Mind you Abromovich soon sorted Bates out, but doddery has got to go immediately, one suspects that few men in the world are as persuasive as Abramovich.
I fear Neville may be whistling in the wind, I'm worried that the club starts the new season in limbo and reaches the closing of the transfer window with no new impetus and, effectively, a player light with wee jocky Aitken at the helm.
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I fear Neville may be whistling in the wind, I'm worried that the club starts the new season in limbo and reaches the closing of the transfer window with no new impetus and, effectively, a player light with wee jocky Aitken at the helm.
I agree, I think we're dancing on the old fools (metaphoric) grave too soon.
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I've just had to come here there's no other refuge at a time like this. By the way whats happened to Pete W ?
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Now I'm worried that Peter has been abducted by Alien's. 8-[
Peter, WHERE ARE YOU?
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I'm worried that we're now not worrying enough about the right things to worry about.
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i'm not at all worried. if you take a look at the offical Villa website you'll see from the 'at a glance' league table that we're lying in a very comfortable 2nd place thank you very much & level on points with leaders Arsenal :-
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Robbo, JD, I'm back. Just been traipsing around Kiev and Moscow for a while. Didn't know any of this stuff was going on!!! Let me say here and now. If we can get rid of Ellis as well as The Clown, what a summer. I hereby will resign from the Worried thread and start a 'Villa Fans Burning With Optimism' thread.
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Second that Peter! Takeover has to happen though and quickly. Next season isn't just going to look after itself
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Robbo, JD, I'm back. Just been traipsing around Kiev and Moscow for a while. Didn't know any of this stuff was going on!!! Let me say here and now. If we can get rid of Ellis as well as The Clown, what a summer. I hereby will resign from the Worried thread and start a 'Villa Fans Burning With Optimism' thread.
Resign from the worried thread thats heresy. we are Villa supporters even with 50 million to spend on new players we will still worry about whether we have bought the right ones, we will never be optimistic we are from Birmingham it's not in our dictionary.
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Robbo, JD, I'm back. Just been traipsing around Kiev and Moscow for a while. Didn't know any of this stuff was going on!!! Let me say here and now. If we can get rid of Ellis as well as The Clown, what a summer. I hereby will resign from the Worried thread and start a 'Villa Fans Burning With Optimism' thread.
Resign from the worried thread thats heresy. we are Villa supporters even with 50 million to spend on new players we will still worry about whether we have bought the right ones, we will never be optimistic we are from Birmingham it's not in our dictionary.
I apologise. It was a moment of weakness. I saw the takeover and a final of the Champions League v Barcelona in one fell swoop. A Ronaldinho hat-trick consigning the independent state wannabees FC to a defeat at the hands of the now two-time winners of the top prize.
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so......we're still all worried for the time being then? :-k
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so......we're still all worried for the time being then? :-k
I'm not so worried now, more anxious for a deal to be completed.
To be rid of O'Leary AND Ellis before the start of the season would be a dream come true.
I've got my ticket for the Arsenal game. Let's hope everything is sorted by then, and we're at the start of a new chapter in our club's wonderful history.
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Welcome back Peter. \:D/
I'm worried that we might get Sven Boring Eggheadson as Manager of Villa. No thank you. [-o< [-o<
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Welcome back Peter. \:D/
I'm worried that we might get Sven Boring Eggheadson as Manager of Villa. No thank you. [-o< [-o<
If he came with 100 mil to spend I might just give him a go. See she's back.
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Morning both. Sven was always successful as a club manager. It is different I suppose when its up to you to buy your own players, and play the way you want. Rather than take existing footballers and fit the into a system. That saying, he was shite with England. But, I think as a club manager he would be different. He has been successful everywhere he has gone at this level.
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Sven just gives me a bad feeling....I really hope we don't get him...we would be better off with Nancy.... :-
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Sven just gives me a bad feeling....I really hope we don't get him...we would be better off with Nancy.... :-
Should we trust female intuition? my good lady is never wrong even when proven to be that is the way of the world. Sven so I am led to belive has given many ladies many good feelings perhaps you are a one off.
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I suspect all ladies employed by the Villa are praying that today's stuff about Sven not wanting to be our gaffer, is true.
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I'm worried that Gareth Barry has inside knowledge that Sven will become Villa's manager and that's why he wants out. Couldn't get in the England Team when Sven was in charge and doesn't rate his chances of getting in the Villa team with Sven in charge (as he is not a right footed left side player) ](*,)
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To be honest as long as we got good money, and ended up with a good replacement- Downing- I'd let Barry go. Morning JD.
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I'm worried that by the time the season starts we will have enough time to sell Barry, Baros, Olof and Philips but not enough time to actually buy anyone.
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It's bloody boring waiting for everyone to wake up.
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You mean Doug, O'Neill, and the assortment of consortia?
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Why do Villa have to be so different from every other club it is like water torture with little drops of mis-information being trickled into our brains.
There must be one amongst us that has his finger on the pulse my arms just are not long enough.
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Dr Mac, where are you?
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Yes he has gone very quiet the last 24 hours very suspicious, perhaps we can build a case implicating him in skulduggery based on rumour and inuendo. Mac where are you?
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The following snapshot was taken at 217 pages:
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(If you're not a Golden Muppet you probably won't know how I did that! ;-)
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Blimey, I made the top 20 and I hardly look at this thread!
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How the hell did I finish behind Woodhall? I've even let a New Zealander beat me.Totally depressed.
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Oi Robbo, don't call me a bloody New Zealander. Just because I live in sheep shagging country it doesn't mean I'm one of them. 8-[
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I thought you would bite at that, you must be very busy these days JD.
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So Robbo. You're giving me grief about not replying quick enough and look at BE's figures! Christ, it's a wonder that I bother posting here at all as its obviously to myself. Just want to tip my hat to the gentleman in 5th spot. Oh, what fun he was. That descent into lunacy is amongst the funniest things I have read on here. He must have been committed by now. Does anyone actually know him? Still see or speak to him? Does his voice go very high-pitched at the sound of H&V?
Robbo, got to go back to work for an hour or so. But I'll be back!
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I'm worried that we'll be known in the future as the 'no nosers', such is the enthusiasm on here to cut off the nose to spite the face.
FFS, I'll be glad when the marching season is over and we can all get back to our normal lives and realistic views.
The way things are going, I'll end up losing my bet with gregnash.
Worried? You don't know half of it!
The lunatics are taking over the asylum!
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Oi. No need for talk like that. Just because you're having a nightmare in 'little Accra' don't offend us Worried folk. Logged on this morning to see the pace a-gathering regarding the takeover and manager. Seems to be one step back at the moment. yesterday I thought we'd draw 1-1 at Arsenal. Now, I think we'll lose 3-0. Better than the 6-0 beating that I thought 3 weeks ago though.
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I'm worried now about the time it's all taking it's like Christmas eve will never be over so you can get at the sack of goodies.I only hope we don't and up with an orange and a bag of nuts.
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If at the start of the summer, or even just a couple of weeks ago, I thought that the only change at Villa would be the demise of The Clown, I would have happily taken it. However, now that we're this close to the Big Prize then we are all aching impatiently, waitingg, wishing, hurting, for it to be done. What a summer if Ellis and The Clown both depart.
However, even though the bigger is vital we cannot forget that the league programme starts in two weeks. The transfer deadline closes in 4 weeks. The football side of things must not be overlooked by the hierarchy at VP. Short-term or not, the introduction of a transfer window means we have to act fast. otherwise it may be catch up come the January window.
The positive here, though, is that I don't think many clubs have even started their recruitment for the season in earnest. Some have picked up little bits here and there. But, to make sure we don't miss the boat, we need a manager now.
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We have the dual problem, no manager and no takeover and probably one relys on the other. God forbid Ellis in desperation tries to install a noddy manager in the interim.
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I'm worried that we are drifting into this season with no sense of direction. All very well if we do get taken over, but what if we don't? The transfer window will slam shut in 4 weeks, will we have time to act?
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As long as we get O'Neill in place I am confident of us being dragged throuhgh to christmas relatively unscathed. However, the transfer window isn't too much of a problem. Chelsea are the only club that pay up front. If we are assured of a takeover- a bit further down the line than we are now- then we can say we'll sign so and so, you'll have your first down payment on such and such a date.
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Had to rush to this sanctuary as i am mightily worried over the consequences if MON does not sign. We have not yet had OFFICIAL comfirmation yet thousands of H&Vrs are celebrating I know we have been let down many times before and risen again but this is different.
Their will be blood on the streets if this does not happen. Yours in worry.
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Will this thread cease to be when MON becomes manager and a takeover has happened? Or are Villa fans natural worriers and we will start to fret over the fact that Chelsea and United are spending more than us? :smt002
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How can we stop worrying. Even if its a worry between getting the train, or plane, to the CL final v Barcelona in Paris, and whether the manager pushes Massi forward, or leaves him in the hole, its all still a worry.
Are we in the lull before the storm at the moment? The eye of the hurricane, as it were. Everything settles down for a while. Nobody speaking to the press, least of all the people's manager. No consortia conflab in the media. Is something around the corner. Or is this the beginning of the end for our hopes?
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We will never stop worrying Captain Trips.
If MO'N does become Manager and a Billionaire does take us over in ther future we can safely say that we will have plenty of worries. Things like can I get a ticket to see the mighty AVFC, is our trophy cabinet big enough for all the cups we keep winning, which players out of our huge and expensive squad should be dropped etc, etc.... O:)
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I am worried that when I want to post it never remembers my password. Is it trying to tell me something, are Mac and his merry men ganging up on me, am I not wanted. While i'm at it that last post JD had a hint of smugness about it, we don't want to give the wrong impression to newcomers. Now you see I was going to send you a smiley face but it just comes up as gibberish. AEERRRRRRRGHGH.
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Blooming nora, JD I never thought about that, I was only worried about other fans jealously claiming we bought the Champions League successes but now I'm not sure if I really want MON and Lerners billions. At least with DOL and Ellis you knew where you stood and there was never such a thing as problems getting hold of tickets, quite the opposite in fact, they couldn't give them away. #-o
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Morning JD. I sometimes wonder at Villa fans. What on earth have got not to be worried about?
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Slightly less worried this am, but will be better once MON has actually signed on the dotted line
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That's right Matt. I'm still worried that something will go wrong and MO'N will not be our new Manager. Fingers crossed until tomorrow. [-o< [-o<
Morning Peter, Morning Robbo. Hope you are both well. I'm still at work at 5.50pm on a Friday night but for the last hour I have has a Stella or few at my side while I have been working (the Beer, not the PA).
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We can tell your slurring your words.
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Well I for one am worried, no terrified, that Doug appears to have another whole day to fuck up the appointment of MON.
Am I allowed to swear on here by the way, it feels like swearing in a strangers house.
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No I'm not slurring, honest. :smt030
I'm speaking to Wife on the phone at the moment and she has no idea that I've been drinking, so I can't be...
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Come on Doug get this done for us! [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o<
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Long time since I've heard from you young Mystic. How the devil are you? :smt077 I hope you are well.
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I'm still in a "believe it when I see it" frame of mind.
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Well its now on the Beeb sport website. Although its achingly still a, 'Martin O'Neill seems almost certain to be named as Aston Villa's new manager. '
YES WE FRIGGIN' WELL KNOW.
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Well its now on the Beeb sport website. Although its achingly still a, 'Martin O'Neill seems almost certain to be named as Aston Villa's new manager. '
YES WE FRIGGIN' WELL KNOW.
The Murph "insisted a deal was not a formality".
So what's changed ?
Its still a might / might not situation regarding MON.
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I think this fella is called for ](*,)
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It would be a nice start to the weekend wouldn't it?
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The Murph "insisted a deal was not a formality".
So what's changed ?
I missed last night's events, but the reports I've read this morning have said that O'Neill's wife is due to get some crucial test results today - presumably, if they reveal some kind of set-back for her, he won't be taking the job.
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Just had to make sre a sense of proportion was added in the day that will be seen as the beginning of our march to the top again.
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No more worrying now until tomorrow =; Tonight is all about hope and celebration
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I'm worried the trophy cabinet might have to be extended!
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Just killing an hour \:D/
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I'm still in a "believe it when I see it" frame of mind.
Absolutely- On the contract, in the dugout. [-o<
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40 minutes. JD, Robbo, where are you? We've been worried for a long time now. Salvation is nigh.
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I'm worried, he hasn't made a signing yet :-s
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I'm worried that I'm still on my flight to Kiev. The Clown and the statement is still on my mind obviously, because in this dream (fuck me is it vivid) there are takeovers coming out of the woodwork, millions flying in to the club, Martin O'Neill has even taken over as manager! Hope I can stay with this dream a while longer because it will see a win at Arsenal. I hope we don't land soon.
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Well I see this thread is still going strong...This is The Villa after all we always worry, its part of our make up! Im worried that my hangover will not go so I can go out & buy my new shirts this afternoon..Im also worried that Doug has appointed O'Neil in an attempt to make us think "Ahhhh Lovely Old Boy - Bless him!" - words that I confess I uttered embarrassingly in a drunken moment (allegedly) last night. #-o
P.s. Hi JD! Im fine thanks. How the bugger are you? scarf
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I'm worried that Lerner is more pedantic than me and will bugger off after he sees everyone spelling his name "Learner" on fan forums.
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Appologies but I logged on this morning then off to the golf club. played like a dog after losing too much sleep, but was delayed in the club after as drink kept appearing before my eyes. I am concerned that he is wasting time on this trip I mean if he wants to know anything about the players he's only got to ask. I hope Ellis sell quickly because the first time O neill wants something and Ellis says no I forsee a quick strangulation.
Mystic how did you sneak back in?
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Suddenly, I'm not so worried anymore.......... scarf
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I stopped worrying last night at about half 8 (we're two hours in front) got pissed as a fart. Had a worry free kip and my worries started again this morning when I went to put clothes in the washing machine and a five foot long black snake was sat on the washer... Put any previous worrying into context... I am currently worrying now that the snake catcher has gone, sans serpent, casually informing me that "it's PROBABLY gone into the back of the dryer through the vent - it'll come out when it's ready..."
Well bloody thanks a lot.
Sunshine ain't everything... 8-[
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That is a worry.
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I'm worried that this is all a marvellous dream
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If Villa get taken over and everything is rosy, will this thread be locked do you think? :-k
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No!
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No!
i agree!
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Fair enough 8-[
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I'm worried that we couldn't beat Hannover 96.
O'Neill out.
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Oh don't you start!
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Even when we're winning the European Cup again under MON, this thread will be still around. :smt002
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I'm worried that we couldn't beat Hannover 96.
O'Neill out.
He comes in and ruins our 100% record !!!!
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Even when we're winning the European Cup again under MON, this thread will be still around. :smt002
Yeah because we'll be worried that we'll be relegated within 5 years like before !!!!
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Call yerselves Villa fans? Who was on the bench eh? EH? ;-)
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Oh don't you start!
O:)
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If Villa get taken over and everything is rosy, will this thread be locked do you think? :-k
The most ridiculous question that has ever been asked on any thread in the history of H&V. Were you serious?
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If Villa get taken over and everything is rosy, will this thread be locked do you think? :-k
The most ridiculous question that has ever been asked on any thread in the history of H&V. Were you serious?
Its a valid question. If everything was fine, we wouldn't have anything to worry about. Whats ridiculous about that? Its straight forward logic.
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We're Villa fans, if we win 3-0 we'll worry that we should have won 4-0 and improved our goal difference. Worrying is in our blood. We will always need this thread
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We are Villa supporters and Brummies to boot, as Villa supporters we are natural worriers and i've yet to meet an optimistic Brummie even over here. That's where our humour comes from, adversity is our middle name.
We wouldn't feel at ease not worrying. Are you still confused. Have a word with Peter W, He's worse than me that's why he's gone to live in Islamabad to get away from it all.
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Can I recommend that Stu is banned from this thread? We don't want your sort coming aorund here with your fancy ideas. Lock this thread? You'll be asking for Villa to play in blue& white next. Maybe that's his real agenda. Maybe he's an O'Neill and Lerner stooge and he's been sent here to soften us up before they merge us with the Shit. Calling us Birminham Villa and playing in red and blue. Is this is where all this is heading? Is this what Stu was actuslly referring to? Have we stumbled upon their strategy because of big mouth Stu not being able to keep it to himself? Have we just caused the elimination of Stu? Oh God....what a future...its all going wrong again....its.just.sooooooo.dark.
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I'll be worrying about how I'm going to get tickets for the Champions League final.
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Stu is right, lock this thread. Let the miserable gits start another one called Grumpy Old Villa Fans if they want, which will warn the unsuspecting to expect their Jeremy Clarkson style 'everything is shit these days' moaning rather than any genuine concern about the future of the Villa.
Chris Smith
Chair of Villa Fans Optimistic Over Villa Future. :smt002
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I'm sick of the bleedin' sight of this thread. Living in a time warp some of you. [-X
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Lets do the time warp again \:D/
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Yayyy!!!! \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
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You see Robbo and Peter W? We have a bright new future and we don't need this thread! Although I do concede the point about Brummie's being natural worriers.... :smt002
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Noo! [-X we have to have somewhere to come when feel worried in case we infect every other thread with worriedness!!!!! [-X
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I'm sick of the bleedin' sight of this thread. Living in a time warp some of you. [-X
It's just like television BE if you don't like the show turn it off. I suspect that your just annoyed because we stalwarts on this thread appear to get along without slagging each other off, somewhat novel don't you think?
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I suspect that your just annoyed because we stalwarts on this thread appear to get along without slagging each other off, somewhat novel don't you think?
I suspect that your line of work is not with the local constabulary ;-)
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We are Villa supporters and Brummies to boot, as Villa supporters we are natural worriers and i've yet to meet an optimistic Brummie even over here. That's where our humour comes from, adversity is our middle name.
We wouldn't feel at ease not worrying. Are you still confused. Have a word with Peter W, He's worse than me that's why he's gone to live in Islamabad to get away from it all.
explains a lot and only adds to the list of why i think Brum is the center of the universe. incidentally, i am always available to facilitate an authentic, yankee style, psycho-babble rap therapy session to assist in allaying your worries, complete with non-judgmental sharing of our emotional states and culminating in a non-sexually threatening group hug. c'mon, you know it makes sense. might help us prepare for a Lerner takeover, anyway. :-P
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I'm sick of the bleedin' sight of this thread. Living in a time warp some of you. [-X
It's just like television BE if you don't like the show turn it off. I suspect that your just annoyed because we stalwarts on this thread appear to get along without slagging each other off, somewhat novel don't you think?
Hippy bastards.
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Guffawwww!!!!! :smt005 :smt005 :smt005
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BE, we might live in a timewarp but at least we don't have to live in France. :smt003
We can't lock this thread (it has been done before, but the attempt failed), it was Laughing Gravity's last stand. :-
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BE, we might live in a timewarp but at least we don't have to live in France. :smt003
Good job, I get embarrassed when my mates point out all the lobster-red, socks and sandals, just speak English loudly they'll understand brigade on the seafront.
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Ahh, the English on holiday. Aren't they fine upstanding citizens. 8-[
Now that is something to be worried about BE. :-
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There's friggin loads of the buggers bought property down here. You can't move in Leroy Merlin* for Brits with trolleys full of artexing gear and tubs of chlorine pastilles.
(*Frog equivalent of B&Q)
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That's nothing compared to what I've seen over here recently, a 6 foot 2 bottle of milk with a red top. Where do they buy their clothes?
I suppose I'll have to wait until Jon Crofts returns from his hols up north before getting an answer.
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As has already been explained we have an insider. Legion. He's one of us. Converted a few months back now. Mr Woodhall is a convert of sorts, pops in for the big occasions. Kind of like going to mass at Christmas and calling yourself a Christian. You may knock us and our belief in the Worried thread, but we are standing firm. We are still worried, and as has been mentioned in scripture.."blessed are the worried for they shall have a thread".
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Amen.
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OK, you've converted me. What I'm worried about is the fact that there are only three weeks of holiday left before I'm back to work. 8-[
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All I did was book myself into the Betty Ford Clinic for a week and I come back to find my son swinging from the chandelier in the library and not a drop of Toilet Duck in the house to drink. WTF has been going on? I was saving that Toilet Duck for Christmas now all I have to drink is the 98 Cillit Bang and that is not really ready yet. How am I going to celebrate properly if we finally get rid of wanker OLeary and get a good manager like Souness? You are a bunch of fickle poltroons the lot of you.
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mr English, welcome on board. As someone once said, there is nobody more fervent in their beliefs than a convert. Bri, try leaving domestos out for the nipper next time you're away. He won't want to steal from you after that. Anyway, its 7 in the morning and I'm nursing a tiny hangover. Actually, not true, I'm still half pissed. Always a bugger to be at work in this state, and I'm giving a talk at a meeting at 11.30. 4 hours away. By which time I'll be royally fecked.
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Peter the best bullshit comes out when people have been drinking. I bet they lap it up. 8-[ O:)
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Morning JD. You're right , but in 3 hours- as it is now- I'll be no longer half pissed, just tired and probably needing a shave, a wash, and a bit of a general freshening up. As for the bullshit, well that's second nature. you don't get to 6000 posts by having something interesting to say.
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Do we really have to include BE, this is the one thread where incorrect spelling and missed punctuation are the norm not the exeption. Where I can worry about the important things in life such as if we are lying second at Xmas will we have money to spend in January. I am worried now that this thread will deteriorate as I have experienced how argumentative he can be (something he must have picked up in France), can we take a vote?
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Okay Robbo. To be allowed 'in' the triumvirate must be in total agreement. Legion, as you are well aware you have the position of official observer, so we will come to you fopr your thoughts also. So, JD, Robbo, is the Frenchman in?
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I say 'In'.
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I say 'In'.
What's he promised you?
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Grammar and spelling tips probably.
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I say BE is in. He has never had to correct my punctuation, although he has corrected my spelling. He is an overseas brother as well. =D> O:)
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Well his fascination for other men's penises makes me fell uneasy. Maybe he's making me face up to, and question, my own sexuality. Either way I'm now very confused. I no longer know what the question is. Its up to you Robbo, and as has been said before this isn't a democracy but a triumvirate +1. If BE knows the proper word for a 4 man rather than a 3 man trimvirate then he's in.
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He would have to be a regular contributor to this thread, we don't want any blow ins that poste once a week and then claim to be one of us. We havn't heard from him for a while by the way which is not what you would expect from someone who wants to enjoy permanent membership of this great thread. I am not fickle.
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You're right Robbo. Many are called but only few can hear. Since his flurry of posts he has been conspicuous in his absence. So much so that he has not replied to our debating of his inception to the world of Worried. To be one of us you must truly understand the depth of this thread. Does he fully comprehend the spiritual nature of this place? Does he? DOES he? I'm not so sure.
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I'm worried about the exclusivity of this thread all of a sudden, it's like apartheid. Surely all Villa fans are alowed to be worried!
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Have any of you paused to worry about this? The better start to the season we have the more likely Ellis is to cling on to the club in the hope of some glory to bask in. The poorer the start to the season we have the more likely he is to want to walk away having milked all the media attention. I would not be so worried if the manager and ownership problems had been sorted as one package.
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I'm worried about the exclusivity of this thread all of a sudden, it's like apartheid. Surely all Villa fans are alowed to be worried!
Couldn't agree more. Neither could the triumvirate +1. However, worrying isn't something that can be taken lightly. The Johnnie-cum-latelies who think it is something you can face with a smirk, a nod and a wink, or an amusing anecdote, are proof enough that thispalce ain't for kids. Do you forget that we saw the total implosion of the mind of one fool hardy soul? Matt, we all wish it wasn't so, but worrying isn't just for a post, its for life. That's why us professional worriers are just looking out for y'all.
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Yes anybody who wonders why we are here should be told the story of LG. A sad tale but worthy of the telling if it deters others from going down the same path. I still worry about him.
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Aye Robbo. Twas a sad sight indeed. It was funny to laugh at him for being a bit of an eejit, but then when you realised he really had gone out for lunch, it stopped being a joke. Worrying about Villa is a full-time occupation people. Us 3+1 moderate your worries. Yes, we use this beautiful place to chat amongst ourselves, but its just so you don't get dragged into the dark streets that are hidden within. Once you go there, you never come back.
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See it's a bugger living in the colonies, when all the faithful are up for a chat it's time for me to get the cocoa and head for sleepdom. If it wasn't for you and JD joining me in the afternoons the world would be a much duller place. That +1 is about to turn into a minus unless he gets his act together. You and JD were far too hasty in accepting his membership at least Legion is decent enough to make the occassional appearance. BE should stand for bad egg.
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See it's a bugger living in the colonies, when all the faithful are up for a chat it's time for me to get the cocoa and head for sleepdom. If it wasn't for you and JD joining me in the afternoons the world would be a much duller place. That +1 is about to turn into a minus unless he gets his act together. You and JD were far too hasty in accepting his membership at least Legion is decent enough to make the occassional appearance. BE should stand for bad egg.
Yeah I have noticed +1 is only around when no-one else is up. As soon as they are he doesn't want to know us. Well I'm not worried. Well, obviously I am, but in a good way. So, it seems that Bad Egg is going to have his application rejected. Robbo isn't impressed with his intentions, and the past two days have seemed to confirm his reservations.
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What if one of you 3+1 decides to revolt and starts a thread called 'Fans Worried over Future of Villa'?
How do you intend to maintain peace or is +1 here to do just that?
What if someone came and said "take me to your leader"? That would surely break your rapport.
Has anyone mandate to represent your 3+1 to the outside world?
I demand a press release.
Take me to your leader.
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I'll be the +1. If you'll let me!
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please may i make formal application to membership in this thread? clueless and intrepid (which only help when you're a Villa fan), i gormlessly wandered into this place ignorant of all protocol. i'm too alternately busy / bone idle to read all 6,243 pages, but sense instinctively that i may qualify.
qualifications: i am female, American and have only posted meaningless, barely football related drivel since my arrival. my boyfriend has made no secret of the fact that Villa have been truly cr4p ever since the day i walked into his life. wouldn’t you be worried?
i have more game day superstitions, talismans and rituals than beckham has hair styles.
my favorite MON quotation is: “I’m always optimistic, I only get pessimistic when the season starts!”
thank you for your attention to this enquiry. if this application is not favorably received, perhaps you would consider forming an auxiliary thread for the woefully deficient.
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They'll consider it once you've trawled through each and EVERY page....
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They'll consider it once you've trawled through each and EVERY page....
acting the +1 already, i see. fair enough.
and as long as i don't have to submit a précis.
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They're the boss(es)!
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That's right Legion. I think if anyone wants to join this thread on a permanent basis then they need to read it in it's entirety and understand the demise of LG. It is a case of a worried fan going over the edge of oblivion and beyond the realms of sanity. 8-[ O:)
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I have previously been terminally worried about the manager, team and players and hence the results,.........! ](*,)
Now...my main worry is the board! Should I be this concerned???? :smt002
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Worry is in the mind of the beholder.
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I'm now worried that I may be short of players for my team on Saturday. Already three down for training tonight with a flu bug that is going round. Fingers crossed for them getting better. [-o< [-o<
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I think there may be confusion out there. The +1 is a position already held by Legion in his capacity as our 'man on the inside'. I'm sorry Mrs Notanotherone, but as has been pointed out, unless you have read LG's descent into madness then you really are not ready for this thread. Trust us when we say we are doing this for your health. Please visit us, and observe the musings. But to join us you must be REALLY worried. Its not a state of mind alone, oh no, its a lifestyle.
JD, now I'm worried for your kids team. Hopefully its defenders who are out as they seem to ship goals left right and centre anyway. As long as you have the forwards there to get them out of jail, you'll be right. What position does the nipper play?
Fatron. Never use a winking bloke on this thread. Not only does it show the lack of worry held within, it shows the contempt you hold for the life of worry. Not good. You need to show better than that me old son. Robbo, JD, whatever happened to the youth of today. They don't worry like they used to.
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Well i'm worried because i'm just about to visit a client that owes me $30.000 and I just know he will want more time to pay. I will visit this site in a few hours time because i might need consoling. Oh and I should add i'm still having to do all the cooking at my place and it's really pissing me off. PW & JD I want some words of joviality from you two to cheer me up. Sorry forgot where I was.
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Well i'm worried because i'm just about to visit a client that owes me $30.000 and I just know he will want more time to pay. I will visit this site in a few hours time because i might need consoling. Oh and I should add i'm still having to do all the cooking at my place and it's really pissing me off. PW & JD I want some words of joviality from you two to cheer me up. Sorry forgot where I was.
Joviality? I live in Pakistan! A catholic upbringing.. shit I'm confused and feel guilty about it. As for the money, just say you have a bunch of maori's and jihadi's just itching to spill some blood. When you are with yer man just randomly shout out 'Allah Akbar' (pronounced Uk-bur). Means God Is Great but the look on his face will do the trick. Shit 'im right up.
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Arabic tutorial please Peter as I am worried that I may be losing it. If Allah Akba means God Is Great why did Peter O'Toole in his grannies nightgown on a camel shout Akba! Akba! as he charged across the desert?
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Not too sure Bri, it may be, shock horror, that the director didn't know what it meant and thought it sounded angry enough.
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My very clever son has just sent me a PM telling me he was shouting Akaba! the place they were going trash. I knew all that money on school fees would pay dividends one day.
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Even I knew that and I went to a comprehensive.
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Even I knew that and I went to a comprehensive.
Did they have schools in your day Robbo....
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Fatron. Never use a winking bloke on this thread. Not only does it show the lack of worry held within, it shows the contempt you hold for the life of worry. Not good. You need to show better than that me old son.
Apologies Peter - should have read...... 8-[
I'm now worried about my emoticon usage! 8-[
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Senator Peter W McCarthy continues to espouse his dystopian world view via this sinister thread. Soon anyone posting will be asked ‘Have you ever been an optimist or knowingly contributed to an optimistic thread?” Then we’ll be asked to inform on our cheerful friends otherwise we’ll be blacklisted and never allowed to contribute to the site again. It’s only a small step to then planting a burning ‘W’ on your front lawn.
Offensive remarks EDITED :smt002
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Chris - you have now made me worried that there is some underhand conspiracy both from the powers that be, and also from the powers that aren't (!!???)....The next thing is that they'll have someone going round corecting spelling and granma! :-
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Senator Peter W McCarthy continues to espouse his dystopian world view via this sinister thread. Soon anyone posting will be asked ‘Have you ever been an optimist or knowingly contributed to an optimistic thread?” Then we’ll be asked to inform on our cheerful friends otherwise we’ll be blacklisted and never allowed to contribute to the site again. It’s only a small step to then planting a burning ‘W’ on your front lawn.
Optimists of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your frowns.
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Legion. This is your chance to show that the +1 title bestowed upon you is justified. This post above MUST be deleted. We cannot allow people to wander in here willy-nilly espousing their fanciful ideas on the vulnerable. Its time to stand up to this kind of, how you say, Op-tow-miz-m. Where does this Chris Smith think he is? In Harrogate. Well, no Sir, I demand he is banned from this thread and is made an example of.
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Please stop being happy. It'll only upset him!
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Yay.....hold on....D'oh! #-o
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Even I knew that and I went to a comprehensive.
Did they have schools in your day Robbo....
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I suppose in loose terms they were looked upon as places of learning but as I started in the A grade and finished near to relegation it obviously had the opposite effect on me. It was a bugger when it rained and the cardboard in my shoes got wet and the delousing was non to pleasant.
Cheeky git.
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Even I knew that and I went to a comprehensive.
Did they have schools in your day Robbo....
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I suppose in loose terms they were looked upon as places of learning but as I started in the A grade and finished near to relegation it obviously had the opposite effect on me. It was a bugger when it rained and the cardboard in my shoes got wet and the delousing was non to pleasant.
Cheeky git.
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Has a search been mounted for BE, It is worrying that someone who claims to be on holiday disappears rather suddenly. Is he sulking.
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Beat me to the punch Robbo. I was wondering wher he was. Seems like he was just fooling around. See kids, justy like with fireworks, you really need to know what you're doing on this thread.
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Well he's a bit like a pet dog, can be a bloody nuisance but you miss it when it's not around.
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Maybe we need to do sum rElee bad spellin and some txt spk m8. That could see him back. He's reading this now. Fumin, seething, trying hard not to reply..
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That was a cracking afternoon on the beach. The water was particularly refreshing. I'm just worried that we may have some light showers for about twenty minutes tomorrow.
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That was a cracking afternoon on the beach. The water was particularly refreshing. I'm just worried that we may have some light showers for about twenty minutes tomorrow.
Diddums. :smt002
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8)
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Are you worried?
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Are you worried?
I'm suffering from severe worrius villanum.
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I have some wonderful personal news and I have to share it with someone and you Worried Threadsters are as well qualified as anybody to understand the significance of my jubilation. If you are not - sobeit. My late mother wrote a secret autobiography. She would have been 99 this year but pined away a couple of years ago. She was the Villa fan of all Villa fans. The club was owned by Frederick Normansell who had a fishmongers business in Bell St off the Bull Ring but who would put in cameo appearances at his fish stall in the Market Hall off the Bull Ring on Saturday mornings to milk the fame much as Ellis does. Every Saturday morning my mother would advance on the fish stall of the owner of Aston Villa FC to give him a full on bollocking about the performance of the team and he would leg it into the bowels of the Market Hall to avoid her wrath. My daughter is piecing together the hand written autobiography and turned up a page on a scrap of paper which read "Harry Hampton came home with my dad for tea. We were all very excited and had to put on our best clothes." In modern terms this would be like Wayne Rooney coming round for a burger off your barbecue. My mother was thirteen years old and the year was 1920. Still reeling from this the scraps of paper produced a cutting from a newpaper, name unknown, which carried a report of my greatgrandfather playing for Stourbridge against Olbyun Reserves in which in black and white it says he "committed a savage foul against the West Bromich Albion centre forward which required him to be carried from the field of play". That man was my mother's father. I think I shall burst with pride.
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Sorry Brian I can't worry about that, there's too much else to worry about!
Nice little story there, perhaps Mr Woodhall may be interested!
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which carried a report of my greatgrandfather playing for Stourbridge against Olbyun Reserves
That man was my mother's father. I think I shall burst with pride.
As if there is not enough to worry about, now the issue of your great-grandfather and your grandfather being the same man crops up. THe bit about you being proud of the fact I think it best to leave for now.
Will it never stop?
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i'm only up to page 11. but i have made a cursory scan of LG's posts and, based on early returns, i'd say i'm good for all 231 pages. dudes.
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Get into the LG posts. Classic!!
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I have some wonderful personal news and I have to share it with someone and you Worried Threadsters are as well qualified as anybody to understand the significance of my jubilation. If you are not - sobeit. My late mother wrote a secret autobiography. She would have been 99 this year but pined away a couple of years ago. She was the Villa fan of all Villa fans. The club was owned by Frederick Normansell who had a fishmongers business in Bell St off the Bull Ring but who would put in cameo appearances at his fish stall in the Market Hall off the Bull Ring on Saturday mornings to milk the fame much as Ellis does. Every Saturday morning my mother would advance on the fish stall of the owner of Aston Villa FC to give him a full on bollocking about the performance of the team and he would leg it into the bowels of the Market Hall to avoid her wrath. My daughter is piecing together the hand written autobiography and turned up a page on a scrap of paper which read "Harry Hampton came home with my dad for tea. We were all very excited and had to put on our best clothes." In modern terms this would be like Wayne Rooney coming round for a burger off your barbecue. My mother was thirteen years old and the year was 1920. Still reeling from this the scraps of paper produced a cutting from a newpaper, name unknown, which carried a report of my greatgrandfather playing for Stourbridge against Olbyun Reserves in which in black and white it says he "committed a savage foul against the West Bromich Olbiyun centre forward which required him to be carried from the field of play". That man was my mother's father. I think I shall burst with pride.
=D> =D> =D>
Will look forward to the publication Brian!
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Like the sig, by the way!
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Like the sig, by the way!
i only wish it was a joke. 8-[
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You are putting in the hard yards though which is more than the usual wannabees that visit this site. I will be interested to read your evaluation of the mental state of LG when you have seen the whole sorry story. Of this legends are made.
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Back to my kids team. Not so worried this morning as my sweeper, who has been injured is back (we have won every game he has played). My Son, who is a left sided wide player, is still ill and didn't train last night. Still worried about him for Saturday. 8-[
I am also worried that Mazrim is getting upset and is likely to start throwing loads of people down stairs. :- I am glad I live miles away.
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G'day JD went through the same problems as you but with me it was tennis. You don't get a life of your own over here until they can drive. I was known as the family taxi, always availeable.
Don't worry about Mazrim his bites worse than his bark.
I am more worried that we have just over a week to the Arsenal game and yet to see a new arrival. I have every faith in the new man but won't be happy if we have to start the season with a defence that still cannot defend against set plays.
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I am worried that we haven't signed anyone yet, but not too worried about the Arsenal game. To be honest I have written it off as a loss already, as I don't think MO'N will have enough time to bed down any new signings and pick his best team. I think our real season will start against Reading and if we do get anything from Arsenal it will be a bonus. =D>
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Bri, great story mate. Villa players around at the house, maiming A-lbion players. maybe you should embellish it a little and astick it in the mag.
Notanoyherone, I think it was around pages 80-90 that Lg really started to go insane, I admire your efforts so far, but stick with it gal.
Morning JD, Robbo.
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Evening Peter, how are you?
i'm even more worried now. Just been out for a great meal for my birthday (that's worrying in itself, another year older) which the Wife paid for, to get back and find out that my game has moved venue for tomorrow. Now have to get hold of my players early tomorrow morning to make sure that they turn up at the right ground. And my Son will not be playing, too ill #-o bollocks.
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Evening JD. Not too bad mate, the fact that I'm off to Dubai for the weekend more than makes up for the maaise that can be Islamabad. Its okay though, I'll worry that Villa don't perform tonight, and that it'll be a mess again come Monday.
You're sons ill? What he needs is a trainer I had when playing for Triplex U-13's more than a few years ago. I had a heavy cold, and was developing flu like symptoms. It was a cold day, snow everywhere, but we were down to 10 players. So, the trainer picked me up, wrapped me in about 4 shirts, and every 15 mins or so called me to the side lines for a sip of tea laced with brandy! Can't remember how the game went but you can only applaud training techniques learned the old school way.
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I just had to read up on LG again as in those days I was a voyeur more than a participent and wanted to see again what lead to his downfall. I must say both of you had a hand to differing degrees in the absolute disintegration of this guys ability to face up to reality. But to his credit he served this thred well albeit unintentially. The thing I really picked up on though is how seldom we here from some participents, for example Drummod was prolific for a while, Mac was an everpresent and Risso played his part. Have we become to non inclusive? do they feel they would be interupting. I really feel we should get a message out to LG to make a comeback, I don't think with him back on board the rest would be too long in following.
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He was a fruitloop.
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Thanks for the compliment about the family story Pete. I have promised Dave to be a more regular contributor to the mag this season so more will probably be forthcoming. I have to be careful what I write about family history because branches of the family are very sensitive about the times when we were ragged arsed ruffians living on bread and spit running the streets of that part of Brum which shall be nameless but lies between the Coventry Road and Warwick Road. People move on and join golf clubs.
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Well I closed this thread down yonks ago and somebody opened it back up.
I even opened up a book of condolences. (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=6980&highlight=book+condolences)
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Welcome to eternity!
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He was a fruitloop.
Yes but a very entertaining one while it lasted, talk about one aginst the world.
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that part of Brum which shall be nameless but lies between the Coventry Road and Warwick Road.
Tyseley?
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that part of Brum which shall be nameless but lies between the Coventry Road and Warwick Road.
Tyseley?
But still a shade more attractive than Ghent if memory serves me right.
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Well I'm worried Mac will over ride young Legion and close down this thread. The stones and gravel (for D. Woodhall) will be better served directed at his bus shelter than the Barton's windows.
It's a comfort to know where to find you southern hem guys when the coffee keeps me awake.
As for LG, he's a strange case. Talk about the Villa and he's a 110%er.....but go 'Off Topic' and he's the only person more sick and twisted than Brazilian Villain.
I blame the purple leather jacket he bought from the Rag Market, circa 1979.
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I seem to remember LG going on about 'the gay recruitment centre' or something along those lines about 2 or 3 years ago. The man was a nut job. He got banned from Villatalk for the same arguement as well I believe.
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the story thus far... ageism, O.J. Simpson, suitable stables and crystal balls.
and finally... on page 22...
Whatever.
the nascent, barely perceptible rumblings from deep within the LG faultline.
what a cheek, me... new here, myself and never even met the man. i'll just slog through quietly from here on out. she said. (told you i worry!)
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Commendable.
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the story thus far... ageism, O.J. Simpson, suitable stables and crystal balls.
and finally... on page 22...
Whatever.
the nascent, barely perceptible rumblings from deep within the LG faultline.
what a cheek, me... new here, myself and never even met the man. i'll just slog through quietly from here on out. she said. (told you i worry!)
You could save yourself some time, he starts to wind up about page 45 but really hits his stride in the fifties. I kinda felt sorry for him in a way, his argument was always flawed but he was faced with a formidable combination that eventually pushed him over the edge.
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I kinda felt sorry for him in a way, his argument was always flawed but he was faced with a formidable combination that eventually pushed him over the edge.
Who, LG or Chris Smith?
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no way, dude! i'm committed to the lot. something about rites of passage, membership applications and a shameless need for approval, i think.
besides, i wouldn't be a real yank if i didn't have SOMETHING TO PROVE, would i?
it'll be a slower read now, since the reason i posted here in the first place is back from holiday. so... if you find him lurking here, you ain't seen me, right? :smt002
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There are so many lurkers in these threads it will be hard to spot him Notanotherone but if questioned we will swear you have spent the last three weeks sleeping, cleaning up the house and knitting a Villa scarf.
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I'm very worried that again our expectations have been raised once more, my fear is that if again we are denied utopia, we could see a few posters go into meltdown.
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"FANS WORRIED OVER VILLA FUTURE"
As of this morning I have some mild concerns over what to wear for the 2008 Champion's League final but that's about it really- goodbye old thread!
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Now look Dave just because we've had a little bit of good news after 25 years of mediocrity don't go throwing your weight around insinuating that this thread is obsolete. I'll have you know I am going to be very worried as to how were going to spend all that money.
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May I suggest in the most gentle and well-meaning way possible that today be the end of this thread?
Never will there be a more apt day to lock it!
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We will always need the woried thread. I'm worried that Randy thinks he's actually buying Aston hall and is in for an almighty shock
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Matt G I need you. It seems that PeterW and JD have disappeared at this threads most desperate hour. The Vultures are gathering, Legion has gone quiet and i'm feeling vunerable.I hope there are more of us that can see that the time for worrying is not over.
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There will always be a reason to worry.
Although I haven't followed the thread since its very early days (nor am I now likely to do so) I can't see any reason to lock it. Any number of the 374 threads that have been started this morning, maybe, but this thread, no.
Let those who have started and continued a great thing be allowed to carry on doing so.
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That's music to my ears. Hold on theres only three of us so far. I'm worried.
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Sorry Robbo. I'd done one to Dubai for the weekend. All this worrying is bad for my blood pressure. So, we've been taken over by a Yank, eh? We gonna be the Aston Clarets now? Do we have to change the players names for The new audience as names like Gabriel Agbonlahor will be far to difficult. GA, I think. Angel will be plain old JP. Chuck Taylor, L'il Lee, Notorious SKP, The Ridge etc etc
More worrying anon.
Oh, and for all you indefatigable thread-locking bores, please move on. You are not welcome in these parts. Mirss/Mrs Notanotherone. It is a commendable attempt. Please don't feel the need to plough your way through as the LG story really was sad. However, please get to it....it was fucking hilarious.
I wish there was a hanging man going insane type emoticon.
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I'm still worried that Neville will get the cashpoint working and get the money he needs :-s
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Today I mostly have................No Wookin Furries :scarf:
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I'm worried for all the ex-worriers, what will they worry about now?[/u]
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I wouldn't ask for this thread to be locked. Just move it to Time Wasters. :-
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I think the way to save this thread is to put something really interesting on it. I am just going to think up something really interesting that everybody will find er..interesting.
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A very original idea Brian. I do believe you may have cracked it. :-k
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An interesting true story.
A few years ago I went into the bank which has been bleeding me white for the last forty years. The girl cashier asked me if I still ran the local boys football side. I said that I did not do that any longer because they were all bigger than me now and had taken to beating me up and robbing me. I asked her why she had asked.
She replied that her son played for the county Under 13s and they had very talented boy who wanted to play for Villa and could I do anything to help. The next thing I knew I was on a windswept muddy cow pasture watching the county boys play Bedfordshire Under 13s. The boy in question was fantastic. Big, fast, athletic, two footed and a fearless header of the ball.
After the game I chatted to the boy and asked him why he wanted to play for the Villa so much. He replied that his father was a player in the current Villa team. My reply was that he did not need me if his Dad was who he said he was. By this time his mother had appeared and she confirmed what the boy had told me except she added that the Villa player was now a happily married family man who was widely regarded as a model professional. The boy I had been watching had been fathered when the player in question was still a teenager with a non league club.
I went through the channels and took the boy to a Villa trial at Northampton. He impressed them greatly. It was then I had to come clean and tell them of the connection with the Villa first team player. They all went into fast reverse and told me they would be in touch.
They did not contact me so I called them after a week or so and was told they could not consider having the boy anywhere near the club because it would upset his father so much.
That was all a few years ago. A couple of months ago my son said he had seen the boy working as a barman in a nightclub. Knowing who he was they spoke and the boy was very philosophical and said he had given up football but still followed the Villa.
True story.
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I wouldn't ask for this thread to be locked. Just move it to Time Wasters. :-
All you need to do is rename it "3 Villa fans worried about the future of the thread" and you're good for another 100 pages.
Nice story Brian, any clues on the identity of the player. I won't tell anyone, honest.
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PM me I will give you a clue. I will tell you which bank I went in and you should be able to work out the rest for yourself.
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I'm worried that there are too many threads to read. 8-[ I'm worried if I will ever get a ticket for Villa now, when I decide to come home to the UK. 8-[ I worried no-one cares about this thread any more.
But apart from that, what a brilliant day in our great Clubs history. =D> =D> =D> O:)
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Terrible story. If I was the littl'un I would try and break in elsewhere and then get throught he ranks that way. So, Bri, this great player was stopped in his tracks, and us as Villa fans may have lost our Messiah, because you couldn't keep your mouth shut? Cheers mate.
If you give us the bank we'd guess it? Can only be Harry HSBC then. Whatever became of him.
To all those still going on about locking/moving this thread I shall simply state that the 3+1 have been sailing this ship before you jumped on and tried to steer it to rockier shallow waters, and we shall steer it long after you've gone.
Mr. Egg, just because you have difficulty adding to your impressive post count on this thread, and it is an impressive post count by the way, does not mean you can attempt to brush us to one side. Sir, you are hereby banished. As long as the others are in unanimous agreement. his bolshie voice is not required and I think he should be afforderd the status of 'Person Non Grata'.
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I'm worried this thread has dropped to the second page. 8-[ Not any more...
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A nightmare. Ellis dies while negotiations are ongoing. Is there any other thread where I can expouse thoughts such as these? I am exitedly worried.
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An interesting true story.
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True story.
What a waste that one, brian.
Here's another true story.
When I was 9 to 12 years old I played with a guy who was better than Mika Väyrynen (now PSV and finnish national team) who was considered one of the best of 81's in the whole country already then. He wasn't industrous or hard working like Väyrynen but now he'd be like a 25-year old Litmanen with more pace. When he was 14, he opted instead of future in professional football and international recognition to drinking beer and playing guitar or bass. I guess he didn't quite realize how good he was. His vision and understanding of the game, dribbling, technique, shooting, movement, flair, trickery and skill to go past opponents were amazing. He also scored a ridiculous amount of goals.
Would be a certain starter in our international set-up if and if...
If we don't win NI tomorrow at Helsinki it's all his fault :-
(Would have also wanted to see our Davo there :smt091)
It makes me feel ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) everytime his superb talent comes to my mind in this kind of context.
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Bass? How low can you go? :-k
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Morning Peter, how are you? O:)
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Soory JD. Hectic day. I'm good, how's NZ? How did the footy go at the weekend?
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Here is another true story to push the thread up the board.
Just over twenty years ago my younger son was attending a preparatory school in Cambridge. They played cricket in the summer and rugby in the winter and the boys all hated it.
They were mad on football as all normal young boys are and they begged me to intercede with the headmaster to allow them to form an under 9s team. The headmaster was a puffed up public school failure of the worst kind and a crushing snob to boot. Eventually my powers of persuasion - I was a bit like Mazrim in those days - plus the dwindling numbers of new boys coming to the school, resulted in him reluctantly letting me form a team. I was placed under the supervision of a very junior teacher just in case I kidnapped any of the boys or groped their mothers.
The boys did very well and the motley collection of lawyers, doctors, big issue salesmen and rock musicians they are today all remember the times as great fun. We did so well that we won our way through to a national public schools 6 a side knock out competition held at Bedford Modern School. Scenting a bit of glory to be had by rubbing shoulders with the bigwigs of Eton and Harrow the headmaster decided to come and watch "his" team for the first time.
We battled our way through to a semi final against a team from Forest School in Woodford Essex. They were sweeping aside all opposition thanks to a burly little kid who was scoring as he pleased. It came to be our turn to play Forest and by this time our Headmaster had had a few sherries and was turning into a Hooray Henry.
The doctor who will probably treat you if you are ever admitted to Leeds Infirmary Accident and Emergency had the job of marking the burly little kid but he continued to blast in goals. My boy who is not known for holding back tried to break his leg and only hurt his own foot. One of the Forest boys was so upset at never getting a pass he started to cry and made substitution gestures to their coach.
This incensed our headmaster and the sherry took over. He marched onto the pitch and addressed the burly little kid. "No wonder your team mate is crying" he fumed at the boy. "You never pass him the ball." The burly little kid fixed him with an unflinching gaze and replied. "That's Brooking. He's always crying."
The headmaster was thunderstuck at this display of defiance. "What is your name boy? I shall report you to your headmaster"
The boy could even spit like a man and did so coolly before replying.
"Lampard"
True story
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David O'Leary made me worry for Villa's future more than anyone else, ever.
True story
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Another great story Brian. =D> O:)
Did Frank Lampard Senior have a beard when he was 9?
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Morning JD. Great Story Brian. So, lampard senior was the kid in the showers with the hair already growing around his nads by the time he was 9, eh?
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Morning Peter.
Imagine facing the West Ham Academy in a Six a Side tournament. #-o That's some story. I remember Frank Lampard Senior and Billy Bonds as being two hard men. Wouldn't have wanted to cross them, even at 9 years old. 8-[
I'm worried today that everyone is taking sides on the takeover, have you seen some of these threads? I don't have a preference who takes over, as long as they invest in the Club (players and infrastructure). It's interesting though isn't it, arguing who the best billionnaire is to have running Villa. =D> Who would have thought this a year ago.
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Yes a good tale but far to entertaining for this thread. Without going over the content of another thread it would seem that we are at fighting amongst ouselves when for the first time in many years we should be united in the cause.This is a worry as I can see in future Villa supporters will have to sit at opposite ends of the ground along party lines, with the away supporters placed in between to keep the peace. Good afternoon from partly cloudy Melbourne.
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Hi Robbo. How are you? Ready for the Wallabies to get another thrashing this weekend. :- :smt002
Seriously, I don't really care, I'm more interested in Football starting again this weekend. No Villa on the box in NZ this weekend, but the Reading game is on live here next Thursday morning. =D>
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It's unusual that we are getting the Arsenal game and your not.
I hope we are getting the Reading game as i think the atmosphere will be tremendous, especially as the take over should be sorted by then.
The last time I took interest in the oval ball game was the world cup over here when of course I barracked (supported) for the Poms. I here that as our refugee internment plan has been scrapped we can expect an influx of two million Kiwi boat people. Is this true.
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Morning both. With you JD, its funny to see the billionaire debate raging in earnest. I'm worried for the future of this club. Will someone break awat and make an Associated Villa of Aston FC, claiming they are the true club, sticking to the traditions inherited from 4 great men in 1874. It'll all end in tears lads. Of joy. When we win the World Club Championship. The first English team to do so. They'll be embracing on the streets of Birmingham, Rio, Cleveland, Guildford...
The Villa game is on live here, v tthe Arse. Not sure about Reading yet, but as they'll be 2/3 live games that night there is a chance.
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Re my other worried thread. Why no players? When they coming in? Surely this is an urgent worry that needs addressing?
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Ive been sheep worrying.
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Robbo, there seems to a one way stream of Kiwi's moving to Australia at the moment. A lot to do with lower taxes, better job prospects etc, etc. Let them go I say and replace them with immigrants who both know and love the Beautiful Game, instead of the these jumped up Rugby types. =D>
I'm also worried about transfers Peter. I don't think our squad is either big enough, or good enough at the moment. 8-[
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To be honest I'm worried about our health as a whole on this board. Everyones falling out with each other over which billionaire is the best, and who has got the biggest penis. I note the BE has now taken an interest, no mate, no links, sorry.....
Anyway, we all excited? One day to go until the kick-off. Most of my mates out here, non-Villa fans, have got us down for a draw! Shows to me that our stock has risen amongst the footballing fraternity.
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236 pages! Anything interesting been discussed?
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Everyones falling out with each other over which billionaire is the best, and who has got the biggest penis.
Well, I've got a con-sid-er-ab-ly bigger cock than yaow, and in an alternative parallel universe, I'd be the best millionaire.
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I'm worried that my knock-off cable (£3.50 per month) which has gone down, won't be up to watch us do Arsenal 2-1.
Its 3 o clock here now. We've just kicked-off!
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Hope you got it sorted Peter. I'm looking forward to the highlights show tomorrow as there was no coverage of the game at all over here. ](*,)
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Lucky enough over here to watch a piece of history, even though the late time means i'm knackered today.
You always knew Arse were going to score and it did nothing but harm to my blood pressure but I did enjoy seeing O'neill Pacing the line and talking to the players during the game. I think he will be aware now as th where we need to strengthen but time is of the essence. Hopefully availeable players will be more willing to sign after that result.
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Well my eldest Son has his boots ready, if needed. A hard working central defender/central midfield player. His season finished Saturday with a 6-3 win and a League Title (must be me helping to coach then for the past 8 weeks, they have won every game since).
My youngest Son is not available until the transfer window re-opens as I am not prepared to sell him (or give him away) while there are still games to be played. He scored a superb 20 yard goal on Saturday. Cut in from the left hand side on the edge of the box and hit a beautiful right foot curling shot into the right hand corner. =D> =D>
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Would they play for England or New Zealand? JD we have enough hard working midfielders what we need is someone who's a bit special, your youngest may have a chance, I'll give MON a call.
Seems that every player we are linked with are now a requirement of other clubs, it was a good effort against Arse but we will struggle if we cannot get a bit of quality in to the side.
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I agree. We need some creativity in the middle of the park (Petrov, Malbranque etc, etc). Please, please sign someone to give us that spark. [-o< [-o<
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Obviously we've got a long way to go, but that was top 4 defending. The difference is that we then don't have the players with good enough ability to then push teams like Arsenal back on their heels when a move breaks down. Time and time again we gave the ball back. That's what O'Neill has got to attempt to do. McCann played excellently, but we need that type of performance from a better type of player. One who can do the defensive work, but then look to attack when we have possession. We don't have that at the amount.
However, in saying that it has been vastly under mentioned that our goal started in our own half. An Arsenal move broke down on the edge of our box through, again, great defending. We must have passed the ball 10-15 times before winning the corner. Then, bomp, 1-0. If Arsenal had scored it everyone would have been enthusing about the patient, confident, build-up play.
What time is k/o on Wed?
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I'm worried for this site. If it wasn't for this thread, the Lerner thread of 36 pages- mere amateur attempt-, then there would be only 2 other threads. Due to the 50 or so springing up that are all the same there is no diversity. Are we dying on our backsides? Are we now saying we've got nothing to discuss because we are happy? Is this just a post to make sure this thread slips no further?
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I agree , how many threads either turn into my dicks bigger than your dick or they go off at a tangent that bears no relation to the thread line.
Sometimes they that must be obeyed should get a grip especially Mac who is wisdom personified.
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Exactly Robbo. 240 odd pages in and we're still worried about Villa. Will the money ruin us, will it be different and we forget our roots, will we look down on the likes of Tottenham, Everton etc when we're in the big 5? Will we all state that we are no longer the proleteriat, but bourgeois pigs that will protest the framework of the state from these lowly oiks.
And people want to lock this thread?
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I wonder what the reception would have been if we had not won lastt night. I fully expect to lose on Saturday, and deep down we all hope this bubble of optimism never bursts. What happens when we get the reality check? A 3-0 reverse, say, no new players coming in, the players we have, and the unbridled optimism hurt, it will be a long road to Christmas. I think the next 7 days will make or break our season. there's only so much one man can make a sow's ear looking like a silk purse.
Or is O'Neill that good?
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I wonder what the reception would have been if we had not won lastt night. I fully expect to lose on Saturday, and deep down we all hope this bubble of optimism never bursts. What happens when we get the reality check? A 3-0 reverse, say, no new players coming in, the players we have, and the unbridled optimism hurt, it will be a long road to Christmas. I think the next 7 days will make or break our season. there's only so much one man can make a sow's ear looking like a silk purse.
Or is O'Neill that good?
my car radio would have been ok and we wont lose 3-0 sat cos we are playing sunday! WE ARE having a reality check. To get 4 points so far with this lot is nothing short of a miracle. Those long cold winter nights in AbDab land must just fly by.
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i'm worried now, that i'm going to read every page of this thread, just so i can say i have !!! i shall try for 10 pages a day !!!...er starting tomorrow.
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i'm worried now, that i'm going to read every page of this thread, just so i can say i have !!! i shall try for 10 pages a day !!!...er starting tomorrow.
Pick a page and read it over and over again. Same effect.
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Ah but Peter, how do you know that? Have you read the entire thread and seen a certain poster lose their sanity? 8-[
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I'm worried that after two games we are only fifth.
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Sunday? What times kick-off? Is it live over there? I'll get it live anyway, but I wasn't aware we were playing on Sunday. Oh, 'er indoors will be soooo happy.
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At least you will see it, unless I can find a link to see it via the web I will miss out. Bye the bye it's a piss poor effort, lerner has been in control for a few hours now and not one new player. Is he really Dougs long lost grandson?
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Less than a wek to go and no news. Still, I'm clinging on to the hope that, as my Rangers supporting mate said, O'Neill tends to leave it right at the death.
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I am less worried.
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From the Dug Out, you are sin-binned for a offense violation. This leaves a power play situation for the next 10 minutes to us soccer guys to attack like crazy dudes.
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I'm worries that this thread is slipping down. BUMP
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It's as low as it will ever be.
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Up to page fifty, it does go round in circles and i actually feel quite sorry for LG !!
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I have absolutetly nothing to say but feel the need to add to this thread just to say "I was there"
I'm very insecure you see.
Oh yeah................I LOVE THE VILLA ME
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I worried that Tevez will feel lonely when he signs for Villa. :^o :-
Not worried about my kids team. firing on all cylinders at the moment and we had a nice 7-2 win yesterday. One match to go this season. My main striker has now scored 21 goals in 12 games. Excellent a 20 goal a season man. =D> I'm worried I will lose him to the Canterbury Rep Team next year though, he has already been selected for the squad and had three trials. ](*,)
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I'm worried about the traffic and parking today. No trains and junction 6 shut on the M6. Feckin madness i tells yer
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I worried that Tevez will feel lonely when he signs for Villa. :^o :-
Not worried about my kids team. firing on all cylinders at the moment and we had a nice 7-2 win yesterday. One match to go this season. My main striker has now scored 21 goals in 12 games. Excellent a 20 goal a season man. =D> I'm worried I will lose him to the Canterbury Rep Team next year though, he has already been selected for the squad and had three trials. ](*,)
well just tell him he has an injury and withdraw him from the team. Worked for Ron Saunders.
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I'm worried about what happens to this thread in 469 views time. Will it be able to cope when there is an extra digit at 100,000?
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I'm starting to get worried at the prospect of finding the money for all those European away trips and domesgtic cup finals.
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I'm starting to get worried at the prospect of finding the money for all those European away trips and domesgtic cup finals.
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Jon said exactly that yesterday. \:D/
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I'm worried that if this run of form and postive news continues that everyone at work is going to realise that me being a miserable ****** on a Monday morning is because I hate them and not just depression at another Villa defeat!
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Very funny NottsVillain.
Somebody told me yesterday that I looked an inch taller (I wish) as my shoulders are no longer hunched over with depression. \:D/
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I'm worried about what happens to this thread in 469 views time. Will it be able to cope when there is an extra digit at 100,000?
We could be there sooner than you think if I carry on refreshing the page. :-
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I'm worried about what happens to this thread in 469 views time. Will it be able to cope when there is an extra digit at 100,000?
We could be there sooner than you think if I carry on refreshing the page. :-
Very true \:D/ \:D/
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Is there a prize or some recognition (or torrent of abuse) for being the 100,000th viewer? There should at least be a small ceremony.
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May I welcome this intrusion into the expat thread and say y'all have been doing stirling work. However, I an worried for Notanotherone. Not seen since last attempting to dive into the humble beginnings of this thread. She's obviously gone mad...
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Two possibilities there, either the sudden influx of the descendants of the Mayflower has taken the gloss off of being the novelty American female, or her hubby has found out what she's been up to, and hasn't taken kindly to her fratenising with a couple of hundred Villa supporters, and given her a good slapping.
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Ahh. Could be right Robbo. I actually miss the good old days when it was just me, you, and Robbo. With Legion joining the fray every now and then. I'm worried we're losing our thread to those that don't really understand it. A bit like Americans and the English language really.
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I understand entirely. Over here the sports commentators have started using iced for everything as in the've iced the game. I really dislike the americanisation of the English language. See ya cobber.
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Yo. See ya dude.
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Iced?
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Iced?
Pathetic isn't it. Instead of saying when one team is too far in front to be beaten, the game is as good as over, they have taken to using a piece of American word play, that grates on my sensitive ears.
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Is that akin to Formula 1 where anyone who has finished int he top 3 has 'podiumed'? Since when has 'podium' been a verb?
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I may appear a little disloyal but my attention keeps wandering to the sticky second from top , it's a little like watching grass grow.
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Which one? let me have a look...
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Not the transfer thread Robbo? Theres only one Saviola, =D> =D> =D> =D> [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o<
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Saviola? Tevez? Nonsense?
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It is a bit like waiting for Father Xmas to deliver what we ordered. It's fascinating to see how low key MON is compared to other managers who can't keep their mouths shut.
Now if only we could get rid of players agents the world would be a better place.
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To be honest its not the agents. Its the money. Without the money you don't have the agents, without the money you don't get big name signings. We haven't got a chance of signing Saviola or Tevez, but if we did they'd bre on a fair wack, we would alreadt be successful for them to come, and we'd see the agents as being an evil we would endure.
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Not many people here at the moment, are there?
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They'll be back.
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Correct.
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Undoubtedly.
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You're not worried
You're not worried
You're not worried anymore
You only worry when we're losing
Can you hear the worried boys, nooo nooo
Shit thread, no posters
Shall we write a post for you?
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:lol: Nice one Chris.
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That post was not worthy of you CS, i remind you that Oleary had a honeymoon period when most of us thought he was the man to take us to heaven, I still worry that MON is just human and not superman (albeit the miniture version) and will fail like his predecessors. See i am the original Villa supporter, Always worried, never happy and will always find something to whinge about.
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Hmmm. Still a few of you out there that think they are better than us 'worried' folk. As Glenn Close said in her bunny boiler film, 'I won't be ignored'.
Worry you shits, worry.
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I'm worried that our good form will be interrupted by the break. No, no, really. The momentum was with us, and although the break allows all our new signings to gel, it can be more counter productive. If we get done 4-0 again by the same team, what would our response as fans be? We are all still in cloud cuckkoo land. The Clown sacked, O'Neill in, Ellis gone, £7m signings, 7 points out of 9... we really are in an unbelievably good shape.
Yet, what happens when the bubble bursts? Will we see the same old Villa again. Has it changed? Is this the way of things, or just our honeymoon period. We even had one under Billy McNeill, rememebr- not as good, granted.
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You're not fooling anyone.
Your claims of being worried are as convincing as a 13 year old girl pretending to be wasted after a can of coke and two Junior Asprin.
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Let's not build the West Ham game up too much like we did last year....
We have to be realistic, the bubble is going to burst at some point but then we will see what a good manager MON really is.
I think we've got a good 4 or 5 years ahead of us. Lets enjoy it....
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You're not fooling anyone.
Your claims of being worried are as convincing as a 13 year old girl pretending to be wasted after a can of coke and two Junior Asprin.
Neither are you.
At least thats what the judge said the last time you were found with a wasted 13 year-old girl, a can of coke, and two E's.
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I'm worried that we'll sign no-one else. Petrov will be injured before West Ham. We'll get injuries to Mellberg and Barry. We'll be thumped 5-0 at the kit stealers. Lerner won't like what he sees. Sell the club back t Doug for a knock down £20m. O'neill will complain about broken promises. He'll go and back in comes The Clown. Laughing with £5m in his back pocket and being all smiley-whiley because the plan hatched after beating The Shit 1-0 has all come together. Oh woe.....
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Why are we getting worried. We have a top manager who will make the right improvements when he feels it necessary. We wouldnt have given at rats ass about the transfer window if Dipsy was still in charge (other than to see how many of the first team had gone).
I know there is always room for improvement but give the guy a chance to settle in first. From what I've seen so far he's on the right track. The squad we have aint bad and new blood will arrive in January when better players are available. Rome wasn't built in a day..(they'd still be building it if the contractors were cornish).
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The breakdown of the Milner deal is the first negative thing to happen to us in for about 4/5 weeks. It won't be a complete disaster if we can't get anyone else in before January, i'd sooner that than a couple of last-minute DOL-style panic buys a la Djemba-Djemba.
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What worries me the most is possible injuries. We now have a smaller squad than thee small but honest squad under Oleary. Milner would have been a useful squad player to fill one of the gaps, no world beater but handy. I think at the moment we have a potential 17 players for selection all we need is three or four injuries and we will struggle.
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I'm worried that I left it till page 240 before my first post on the worried thread. Am I too late now?
Edit - doh - got ahead of myself on the page number in the excitement of losing my worried virginity.
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I'm worried. I won't make the Charlton game so I've lent my season ticket out. What it gets lost?!?!
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Why are we getting worried.
You're new to this, aren't you?
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I'm worried. I won't make the Charlton game so I've lent my season ticket out. What it gets lost?!?!
You pay the club a tenner and they replace it.
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Chris, common sense posts like that aren't welcome on the worried thread =;
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Chris, common sense posts like that aren't welcome on the worried thread =;
Sorry Matt, what was I thinking.
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I'm worried about what usually happens after a manager wins his manager of the month award.
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moans about his Man U team I guess.
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Worried, am I worried, I aint WORRIED..... whatever
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That's the spirit.
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I'm worried that the football season is now finished over here. My kids team only lost two games all season, alas we only finished second in the league this season, but it was our first year at this level, so next year we will win it. =D>
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Two possibilities there, either the sudden influx of the descendants of the Mayflower has taken the gloss off of being the novelty American female, or her hubby has found out what she's been up to, and hasn't taken kindly to her fratenising with a couple of hundred Villa supporters, and given her a good slapping.
i've heard from a good source it's the second of your possibilities !!
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I'm worried that Peter and Robbo have deserted this thread.
Mac will try to close it again if we don't keep on being worried. 8-[ 8-[
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I'm worried at the desertion of this thread. call to arms people, the triple century is in sight. \:D/
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This is my first ever post to this thread, do I get a prize?
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This is my first ever post to this thread, do I get a prize?
Its so long since I posted here I can't remember if I've forgotten or never did post.
Should I be worried about anything?
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I'm worried that some shareholders will not sell up. I'm worried that over 10% of shareholders are scared of change, and that the RAL bid will fail. The club will remain in the hands of Doug and will get passed down to his son Peter, who will ride the gravy train that is Villa, taking a salary from a club with no future investment, happy in the knowledge that his salary is intact no matter what division of English football we play in.
In my head I know that Randy will soon own the club, but until the magical 90% is reached, I will not sleep soundly, and a perfectly good bottle of champagne will lie in my fridge unopened, and I will continue to have sleepless nights worrying about the opportunities that may be missed.
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I had to take a short break as it seems all this worrying over Villa had created a different personality to the one the family are used to, apparently I was muttering to myself all day and all they could make out was bastard Ellis and the yanks are coming late as always.
I have been told to take a break so will be away for a few days playing golf (without family but with people who believe golf shouldn't get in the way of the bar) so I hope to return refreshed and able to continue to worry to the same extent as before.
I am still worrying about that American woman, wonder whether she will turn up on America's unsolved murders. We could supply a suspect.
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Good to hear you are getting some R&R Robbo. Have fun. =D> O:)
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Reading through other threads, I think we should all be worried abot Villa's future.
What if Randy doesn't get the shares he needs? 8-[
What if he does? :-k
It's all too worrying to me. I am going to have to check my one share is still intact. :-
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Mostly, I'm just awake at 2 in the morning. But partly I'm worried that selling one's paltry few shares to Randy has become an article of faith. `You're with him or you're against us.....' intolerance always makes my flesh creep
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Yes it's got rather silly hasn't it Damon. I can understand why people want to hold onto their meagre amount of shares, you feel like you own part of the Club you love.
It doesn't mean that those who chose to hold onto their shares aren't pleased that Randy Lerner is taking over the Villa. ](*,)
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I'm just worried that Percy is right. :-$
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I'm worried that Peter W has been kidnapped 8-[ and will be held until this thread is locked. Mac what have you done? :-
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Whoa whao whoa! I haven't been around for a week or so and NO contributions since Thursday? What is going on folks. Suffice to say that its time to pick up the worried baton again...haven't seen what's happened in the last 8/9 days or so due to a sojourn in Vietnam so I'm worried that we will be in such a parlous state that the game later today will be the 4-0 drubbing of last season all over again. That burst our goodwill optimism then, and the same could happen now. If so, we will have a tough month.
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Vietnam!? :shock: Are you mental?
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Great place. I'd recommend it to anyone. Shit, now I'm worried that you'll go en masse and spoil its beauty and turn it into a Benidorm...
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Did you go into the tunnels Peter? I saw them on a TV programme, they look amazing.
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Great place. I'd recommend it to anyone. Shit, now I'm worried that you'll go en masse and spoil its beauty and turn it into a Benidorm...
As you say, great place. Had two spells working there, '95/'96 working on the extension of a brewery in Ho Chi Minh City and before that in '93 working for the Vietnamese government in Hanoi and Saigon. The latter time was pre the lifting of the US embargo and it was certainly very interesting in those days!
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Did you go into the tunnels Peter? I saw them on a TV programme, they look amazing.
The Cu Chi tunnels are amazing. Sadly they were a 4 hour drive from where I was so didn't get to see them. I was on the South East coast Phan Thiet/Mui Ne area. In a bar talking to a barman- a local- wanted to know if I was into football and surprised with his knowledge. I'm paraphrasing now, " O'Nil, gu manja, you tim plair bear this season then last season. Very good manja". Surprised that he actually liked the baeutiful game in England I asked who he liked in England. Chelsea? Man U? Arsenal? "Por'mou" "Why?" "I like weak team. Not stron team like Manchester or Livepool". Fair play.
Not so weak this season though.
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I'm worried that me old ticker might give out when i'm watching us on the telly. Doesn't matter how well or badly we're playing, just get more nervous than i ever do at VP.
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I was saying this to the missus just the other day. The more I've been away and having to watch the game on telly the more unbelievably nervous I've got. Not sure if this is because that it is the only time I get to see the Villa and thus it becomes more crucial for me to see a win. Or, having seen a crap Villa team last season, and an average one the season before that, it becomes too painful to see a stream of defeats, and defeatist football. Therefore, the nerves are based on not wanting have that inevitable shit feeling. Being deflated. Either way I haven't had it this season. Which makes me worry about my blood pressure even more..that defeat is coming..
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painful to admit it, but i got to a stage last season where that, if we were on tv, i'd consider not watching it and doing something more worthwhile with my time, or i'd start watching it, see we were playing like dustbins and turn on the ps2..............now though, its a whole different matter!
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It is very difficult to watch games on TV and I find it more nerve wracking than being at a game. At least at a game you can share your delight and joy, or anger and bemusement with thousands of other people who are feeling exactly the same way you do.
Now don't get me started on listening to radio commentary. It's the worst kind. ](*,)
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I can't believe 'Strange But True' haven't picked up on this thread yet.
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It is very difficult to watch games on TV and I find it more nerve wracking than being at a game. At least at a game you can share your delight and joy, or anger and bemusement with thousands of other people who are feeling exactly the same way you do.
Now don't get me started on listening to radio commentary. It's the worst kind. ](*,)
I never listen to radio commentary who ever it is by at home, Match video or nowt In the car I'll have the radio on as I can beep the hornwhen we score or run over a cat if we are losing.
I watched the game yesterday with a hammer and he was as moaning as we are normally accused of being.
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It does make a difference to being able to look forward to watching Villa games at 7/8 pm on a Saturday/Sunday, and being up until 3am mid week,. rather than the dread of last season. It was horrible to have to watch shite week in week out knowing your performance would not be up to it.
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That's right Peter. I dreaded watching Villa on TV last season, but after watching the Reading & West Ham games I am looking forward to watching the game against Watford.
Damn, what am I going to worry about? #-o
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It is very difficult to watch games on TV and I find it more nerve wracking than being at a game. At least at a game you can share your delight and joy, or anger and bemusement with thousands of other people who are feeling exactly the same way you do.
Now don't get me started on listening to radio commentary. It's the worst kind. ](*,)
I never listen to radio commentary who ever it is by at home, Match video or nowt In the car I'll have the radio on as I can beep the hornwhen we score or run over a cat if we are losing.
I watched the game yesterday with a hammer and he was as moaning as we are normally accused of being.
agreed, the radio's worse than tv, i remember listening to villa v burnley in the cup (when we lost, and didnt really turn up 3 - 1?) in the bath, and just deciding, that although the water was cold, i was less likely to smash something in anger at DOL's dire team 'tactical' plan
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That 3-1 was a real kick in the teeth. I was round at my muslim girlfriend's parent's that night. I was getting the 3rd degree as to why she should dump me and go bak home and marry a nice muslim boy, or that I should convert. She was being called all things under the sun. The brother called me satan. The sister wouldn't talk to me. Her mom and dad just kept havinga pop at her and asking me to finish the relationship. I was made to feel very unwelcome. To top it all off my maye was texting me the score. Felt renewed and up for a fight when Angel made it 2-1. Though, 'oh just fuck it' when it went 3-1.
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That 3-1 was a real kick in the teeth. I was round at my muslim girlfriend's parent's that night. I was getting the 3rd degree as to why she should dump me and go bak home and marry a nice muslim boy, or that I should convert. She was being called all things under the sun. The brother called me satan. The sister wouldn't talk to me. Her mom and dad just kept havinga pop at her and asking me to finish the relationship. I was made to feel very unwelcome. To top it all off my maye was texting me the score. Felt renewed and up for a fight when Angel made it 2-1. Though, 'oh just feck it' when it went 3-1.
From your location, I take it the curly toed slippers fit well and you both eloped and now live happily ever after.
Or did her parents have such an impact on you that you joined the forces and are now on active duty trying to eradicate em?
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Location is pure coincidence. That's a work thing. The fact that were unmarried and living together sticks in their craw. The fact that she no longer wears a hijab and has sex before marriage is a bit too much for them. I love it. Their reaction. Well, the sex bit isn't bad either I guess. Just to be petty I'd love to have a baby out of wedlock just to wind them up even more. However, t'other half has vetoed that. Wants the marriage nonsense first. Bloody-hell I've survived 36 years without marriage why change now? I'm worried that a decision time is looming.
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Oh Peter, are you worried that you will get too old to have kids. 8-[ Don't worry, some women are having kids when they are 60 nowadays. :-
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I can't believe 'Strange But True' haven't picked up on this thread yet.
Yes, I know. Strange isn't it? But true. 8-[
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Wants the marriage nonsense first. Bloody-hell I've survived 36 years without marriage why change now? I'm worried that a decision time is looming.
Been there (the marriage bit). If she makes you happy then go for it. I think youv'e probably gone far enough to piss her parents off without pushing your luck just a bit further. Save the bit about her taking it up the back passage until the wedding speech if you want one last laugh. :-#
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No JD its not the too old to have kids thing. Its just the marriage thing. Been engaged once before and this time round not sure if I can be arsed. Still, looks like I'll have to be arsed. She's fit though so I'll do anything to keep her onside...
Talking off speeches my ate was telling me about the best opening to a best man's speech. Got up and just shouted "Fornication". Silence. Again he shouted "Fornication". A few coughs, a clank of cutlery being dropped. Old dears looking shocked. Again, "fornication"! Total disbelief now as this person is seemingly just making an eejit of himself, and no-one knows what is going. Then he looks at his confusingly at his piece of paper and then says, "for an occasion like this..." brought the house down. It helps to explain this was a Scottish affair, and all in said accent.
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I thought these Asian weddings were massive affairs with alcohol and money in abundance. Doesn't he have to give you a dowry to marry her?
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Give me a dowry? The other way round. As for the alcohol bit...don't find many muslim marriages awash with alcohol. That's not to say they don't drink mind...
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Peter, give them some old Villa tops and programmes (give them some old H&V copies, they will think it's the programme) as a dowry. You can't get a better dowry than that.
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Peter, give them some old Villa tops and programmes (give them some old H&V copies, they will think it's the programme) as a dowry. You can't get a better dowry than that.
Some old ones maybe. When it was funny.....
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I have some old copies from the early nineties. It's great dragging them out every now and then and having a good read and laugh.
I think my favourite edition of H&V though has to be the Holtes Last Stand, which is excellent. =D>
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Is the honemoon period over for the manager. Draw, or worse, next week and I think questions will be asked in earnest for the first time. Maybe I'm a pessimist but on Sunday I looked at the points difference between the bottom 3 and us. I'm getting jittery now,
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we're all still worrying then? #-o
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Yes. Where have you been? Added another 2000 'magic' posts lately? :smt016
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Maybe it is time to trust the new 'retainer' at our club.Lerner has control of a working class football team in Cleveland and i dont see any reason to mistrust his motives.In truth we all feel very fortunate to have Oneill,some cannot quite believe it,but he has a fond and loyal affinity with the Midlands,Forest then Leicester,it would be foolish to forget this.Surely our mistrust of the past,and as a fan i can understand it wholeheartedly,shouldnt prevent us from believing this is to be a prosperous future.As and when we are successful again the FEAR will be forgotten,lets enjoy it boys!!!! =P~
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we're all still worrying then? #-o
Heya Mystic. Thought we'd lost you!
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Ian Taylor played for Forest Green, i remember now! #-o
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I'm worried that MysticPhoenix has reappearred and the post count will now go up so much that I won't have enough time in the day to read all the threads. 8-[
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I'm back, weather was superb, company was great, golf was in general very good apart from mine which was shit. Had a substantial bet with kit stealers while away, breaking even. I'm looking forward to the life and romances of Peter W being serialised on television and would welcome an invitation to a family barbecue. I am concerned that Mystic has found her/his way back, some people just can't take a hint and very worried that since Randy has all but taken over and we are unbeaten in the league that the quality and volume of of threads and posts has deteriorated. There's no agro anywhere to be found, i'm missing the old days already.
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Welcome back Robbo. Glad you had a good break. :smt006
There's always something to be worried about or moan about on here. There are no end of topics to look at and be concerned about. Peter opened a can of worms with his Football Hooligan thread (God bless him), which somehow turned into another "Thatcher is blame for everything thread". Makes for interesting reading.
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Seems that the Mystic brothers, and girl, are starting back at Uni then.
Good to hear you had a good time Robbo, thought you'd taken JD with you as he showed some antipodean solidarity and disappeared until you returned. Maybe we can get this thread back on the overseas road.
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I've been around Peter, just not posting much as the moment. I've just finished organising buying a new house etc, so with that and me back into training I haven't had a lot of time.
Things have settled down now (until the move), so we can take our thread back. \:D/
I'm worried that people think Margaret Thatcher is to blame for football hooligans. I can't remember her kicking me when I was attacked in the seventies by Arsenal and Liverpool fans at different times. :-
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Well its good to have you back JD.
On to Thatcher. Who I am quite fond of detesting at all levels. However, I can't blame her for football violence. It was there before her, and is there after her. Violence is endemic, and football is just one vehicle for that to be expressed.
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I blame my Brother 8-[ Him and his 'mates' were nasty bits of work when they were younger, following THFC all over the country (and Europe). It's funny when you think of it, but these idiots (my Brother included, who luckily saw sense before it was too late), don't seem to either understand or care the worry and concern they pass onto their families. My Mum didn't know whether he would come home in a box or the police would call to say that he had been arrested and was facing court (again).
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Don't worry [-X ..... Be happy \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ :scarf: :scarf:
we know a song about that don't we Billy>
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Well that made me laugh D.boy.
Now I am worried that I might get worried about having nothing to worry about. 8-[ :smt002
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Violence definitely got more Thatcherite under Thatcher - more organised and businesslike. It had been very sloppy under the permissive Callaghan government.
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To be honest Dave when it became more organised it became less indiscriminate IMHO and firms tended to want to take each other on. Prior to it being organised it seemed anyone was fair game. ](*,)
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What's it like at games in New Zealand JD? Australia, Robbo? In whatever sport it manifests itself. I suppose its different in countries where away fans aren't prevalent.
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I'm a bit worried this thread has been hijacked by football hooligans!!! :smt002
At least it lessens the worry of what to worry about now that Doug has gone!!!! :-k
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Not so fatron. Its just that us professional worriers are constantly looking to broaden our worrying horizon. I worry even more now that Doug has gone (3 words I didn't hink I'd ever put together in a sentence). We're all getting excited a believe that the new wave of Villa world dominance is upon us. What if, what if it doesn't happen? How many false dawns will we have. What if we lose tonigt and that goodwill and momentum grind to a shuddering halt. What if the money we have earmarked for the 'right' players in Jan, becomes panic money to get us out of trouble? You think we've stopped worrying Not on your nelly mate.
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I'm worried that as our 250 approaches some Johhny Come Lately will come out of nowhere and grab the glory.
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I'm worried that as our 250 approaches some Johhny Come Lately will come out of nowhere and grab the glory.
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Its nice to see that we still have something to worry about even now that DoogieDastardly has gone. Hope you are all well & enjoying the new era at VP! :scarf: :scarf:
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Not really a problem here Peter, never seen any violence at any sport in NZ. A bit of banter between Kiwis and English at a Cricket International & Rugby when the lions came over, but nothing more than that.
Have been to Canterbury v Otago rugby matches (the South Island derby) and fans are not segregated and generally have a beer together and a laugh (all the violence happens on the pitch).
The only complaint I've ever heard is from Aucklanders, who don't get a good reception in Christchurch and that is only because the Canterbury fans boo the Auckland players etc (they got upset with it, bless 'em).
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Morning JD.
Is New Zealand really just like a sleepy village? As thats the impression I get of it. There should be more Moaris v Whites in any sport. That may get the pulses going for the true locals. The foreign folk could play for the Treaty of Waitangi (sp) to be re-introduced. Moaris could play for calling New Zealand what they like, and holding the reigns of government. Might end in a civil war fair enough, but at least it would shake the place up a bit.
Or is it okay as it is?
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Ian Taylor played for Forest Green, i remember now! #-o
Ian Taylor played for Moor Green
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I think Tony Daley and Nigel Spink played for Forest Green
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NZ a sleepy village Peter. 8-[ Are you kidding. Queenstown is known as the adventure capital of the world. If you want an adrenalin rush come to NZ. \:D/
Yeah you're right, it is a bit sleepy and that's just the way I like it. :smt015
As most Maori's are now interbred with the White folk it is hard to know who is pure Maori/part Maori or neither (they could be Samoan or Tongan). My brother in law is a very white red haired European, who is also one eighth Maori (you wouldn't think so to look at him).
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I tell you what is a truly bizarre sight- white pakistani's. There's one who works in our Club behind the bar who looks like Boris Becker. Thanks to the legacy of Alex The Great I guess. But in the Northern areas there are many white locals. Very very strange.
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I am so glad it's Friday.
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I am so glad it's Friday.
Who are you again?
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The invisible man.
Who by the way helped to keep this thread alive when someone went missing for a long holiday. Never heard of a lap top i suppose.
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Friday evening, sitting here supping some good NZ Riesling. This is the life. O:)
Hello Robbo & Peter, hope you are both well.
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Just cracked open a can of CBL. Wish it was Stella!
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Just about to sit back and watch the game on an Arabic channel,,ding dang do
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Just about to sit back and watch the game on an Arabic channel,,ding dang do
These Arabic channels have funny names don't they?
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I am worried about losing our first game under MON, how will the we take it? will we be back to doom and gloom where I feel far more at home. This not losing takes some getting used to, I am starting to expect us to win, this surely is not what being a Villa supporter is all about.
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I feel the same Robbo. I'm worried that if we do lose a game I wont be able to cope. 8-[ It's a great feeling at the moment with Villa still unbeaten. =D>
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Chelsea are probably more worried, and under more pressure, next week than vice versa. We have nothing to lose next week. No-one would have given a us a sniff a few weeks back, but now? Chelsea are trying to get into their stride, a win against us would be a huge filip for them. But, they are playing against a team who appear comfortable in their skin. A team that will run through brickwalls for the manager and each other. A team with momentum. This a bigger game for Chelsea than it is for us. They need to laty a marker down after the recent criticism of their playing style. If we get thumped then I'll take my hat off to Chelsea. But, you know, I just think they will be very wary of us.
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It will be interesting. They also have a trip away to Sofia midweek as well. :-k
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Well Chelski seemed to have an easy win. I still think we will beat them on Saturday though. :smt002
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It's on over here, starts at midnight, shall I stay awake to watch our first defeat of the season? of course i will.
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It's not on here in NZ (unless they change the games). They have Blackburn v Wigan on. 8-[ ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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It'll be on here. Although, in saying that my mate has got an Arabic channel that shows all Prem games live. So, I can watch every game live this season. \:D/ Glad he didn't have it last season. Is the game on Sunday BTW?
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Peter the game is a 3pm kick off on Saturday.
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Morning JD. Thanks for that mate. I'm looking forward to this game. Not sure what a defeat will be like, though, as this honeymoon period is great. Everything in Villa world is rosey. Don't really want to come back to earth with a bump just yet. I still haven't forgotten last season-definitely haven't forgiven- so I'd be happy with 20 men behind the ball, and the coach, and shutting up shop. We won't play like that though, which is exciting. I'd love to have seen them at training all week, and in the subsequent team meetings. You can almost sense O'Neill et al saying to them, 'Come on. You can do this. Work to your strengths and we have a greta chance of winning this game. You know you're good enough.'
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If we do lose and we perform well in a good game then I will not be too unhappy. I still think we will win though, don't know why, just have a feeling about it. [-o<
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I'm worried that this new format looks too similar too another sites lay-out. I'm worried our identity will reach crisis point. I'm worried for some of those emoticon guys as they are looking very squashed. Mind you I've lived through a coup[le of changes now and gotten used to them, so I'm worried that I'm worrying about nothing.
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I'm worried that the higher we are, the bigger the fall when we finally lose.
Also I'm worried that 3000 of Peter W 6600+ posts have come from this thread.
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Its the only thread that means something to me. You lot have timewasters, I have this baby. Actually Mr English to publish the figures not so long back...I do seem to have spent an awful long time worrying.
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Is that waht the W stands for?
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Before anyone else pipes in with a different answer, yes.
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I'm worried that Luke may be out for quite a while. :smt086 Apart from that I'm not too worried about Villa at the moment, but more worried about moving house in just over two weeks.
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Out for the rest of the season, I'm led to believe!
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Well I'm getting worried about my wedding in vegas on the 31st Oct? Well actually worried about the matches I will miss?
Is it correct that the Liverpool against Reading will be their first game not shown on live TV of some kind this season.
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I am very perturbed at the over the top celebrations after a goal is scored, to see half a dozen grown men rolling around groping each other is a spectacle I can live without as in the Sheff Utd winner. If they do that on the pitch in front of thirty thousand what do they get up to in the showers?
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Morning Robbo. Long time no hear. All we need is JD to get back into the swing of things and The Thread of The Millenium can become a man again. Celebrations? Well I love them as long as its Villa doing the celebrating.
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Morning Robbo. Long time no hear. All we need is JD to get back into the swing of things and The Thread of The Millenium can become a man again. Celebrations? Well I love them as long as its Villa doing the celebrating.
Don't forget me. I love you, peter, I really do :-({|=
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Peter, I am in the swing of things. Sometimes I have to wait two days for you or Robbo to reply on this thread and watch it slide down the page. I'm not yet mad enough to answer my own posts. 8-[
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Yes you are. 8-[ #-o
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The problem i have is that I exell in adversity and really lack motivation when things are going well. I am waiting for the first hiccup to occur so I can get my teeth into something. Yes I still have my own Pete saves you asking. To go back a couple of posts, do you really like all those posers when they score. A tap in from two feet out and they behave as if they have done something brilliant. What happened to the slap on the back and a handshake.
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Splat, have you shit the bed again? Only reason you'd be up this early. Sorry, JD, my posts have gone down due to work. Friggers think I should actually earning my keep nowadays. Robbo, no problem with celebrations as I do like to see an outburst of emotion when goals go in. Kissing was more prevalent in the 70's though, than it is today. Now we have outlandish dances and the like. When I score, its just head down and back to the half-way line ready to kick-off. My missus wants me to do a 'dance' for her. I'd feel to much of a berk though.
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Ooohh!! Getting close to the magic 250, time for us glory-hunters to start watching the thread!
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My missus wants me to do a 'dance' for her. I'd feel to much of a berk though.
Are we still talking football here?
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The 'quarter-millenium' approaches....
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My missus wants me to do a 'dance' for her. I'd feel to much of a berk though.
Are we still talking football here?
If we are we'll soon put a stop to it.
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When my kids were little and Villa had a particularly good day and that was when a Good Villa Day was a Good Villa Day, we invented Underpants Dancing. We would all strip off down to our St Michaels and whirl about the house the way one does.
With good times round the corner I am worried that now my kids are fully grown and the grandchildren ought to be learning this art of Aston Terpsichore I am banned from doing it. My wife says seeing their grandfather dancing in his underpants will give the children emotional traumas in later life.
I have suggested that I hire a body double but I fear I am no longer master in my own house. Advice would be appreciated.
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Erm don't tell social services?
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My missus wants me to do a 'dance' for her. I'd feel to much of a berk though.
Are we still talking football here?
If we are we'll soon put a stop to it.
Maybe we should change the title of this thread to Villa Worried Over Fans' Future! :-)
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My missus wants me to do a 'dance' for her. I'd feel to much of a berk though.
Are we still talking football here?
If we are we'll soon put a stop to it.
Maybe we should change the title of this thread to Villa Worried Over Fans' Future! :-)
I think you could be right Brian. :-
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How do you check if you have posted on this thread? fish, pants, monkey vest.
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How do you check if you have posted on this thread? fish, pants, monkey vest.
By reading through all 249 pages
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How do you check if you have posted on this thread? fish, pants, monkey vest.
I'm worried that you don't know that.
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Although I fully condone those having to read the past 249 pages is anyone going to go in and rescue notanotherone? She went in a month ago and got a fair few pages in. We haven't heard from her since. She's either got lost in the swathes of excellence contained herein. Or, and this is the thing that worries me, she has got to the laughing Gravity pages and has become a gibbering buffoon, only seen on Sunday afternoon when she's allowed into the back garden, on her rocking chair, as she dribbles down her chin whilst constantly saying, "You've broken your own rules...you've broken your own rules...wibble....I'll never post on here again......blubbaree...aggghhh...you're all agin me...scupadoop...bang"
Well that's how I remember it all. Obviously its been toned down for the kids who find there way onto this thread.
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I've never posted in this thread, so thought I'd say I'm not really worried
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I've never posted in this thread, so thought I'd say I'm not really worried
And now you have. So, let the worry times roll...
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If I was a total bastard I would post loads of crap to bag the 250!
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But I'm not.
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So I won't.
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Only joking!
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The race is on to 250....
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Long time reader, first time poster...great thread you have here.
Only two more posts Dave and you can achieve your glory
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First time on the thread. I hope it'a all it's cracked up to be.
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Frankly the experience felt somewhat... what's the word?
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I'm worried whether I'll be able to capture my past ability on a football pitch, as I play my first game in absolutely ages later on.
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Peter won't be impressed.
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Sod him.
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I love spoiling other peoples' fun.
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That was uncalled for.
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That was uncalled for.
Yes, you're right. It was.
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Bastard. I wanted to piss off Pete! Oh I've tasted my own medicine and it is bitter!
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But now it looks like I'm trying to ruin all his hard work.
Oh well. C'est la vie.
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Tish and pish. You just don't get it. The love of this thread is what keeps us worriers going. Not who gets to the landmarks, but that we all get there. Now, I realise you'll all be back after me JD, Robbo, and sometimes Legion, get back to some proper worrying over the next 49 pages or so.
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Bastard. I wanted to piss off Pete!
As long as you don't want to piss on Peter.
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Enough of the pissing already. That's saved for my drunken antics on the Off topic forum.
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I'm worried that Laursen and Ridgewell might be run ragged by Defoe and Berbatov.
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Fatwa!
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Us regulars to this thread stood back and watched you little boys wet your pants over who was going to get the 250. We don't really care, we are here for the long haul. [-( Bloody glory hunters. #-o :-
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I wonder if enthusiasm will ever wane in this thread.
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Never Drummond. We will keep going until at least 1,000 pages have been reached. Then I might retire from the thread (or maybe not). 8-[
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Some people still don't get it. This thread is primarily for discourse among the distance disadvantaged Villa supporters alienated by distance and time. It is our home base, yes we may disappear from time to time when other duties call but it is our first point of reference when we return. We can chatter away about any subject we like without any interference to other threads at a time when the large majority of posters are either rooting or sleeping. We welcome all visitors as long as they are mindful of where they are and their minute contribution to this great epic.
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Some people still don't get it. This thread is primarily for discourse among the distance disadvantaged Villa supporters alienated by distance and time. It is our home base, yes we may disappear from time to time when other duties call but it is our first point of reference when we return. We can chatter away about any subject we like without any interference to other threads at a time when the large majority of posters are either rooting or sleeping. We welcome all visitors as long as they are mindful of where they are and their minute contribution to this great epic.
You hit the nail on the head Robbo.
How is sunny Melbourne? Hope it is nicer than here in NZ, where after getting into 20c+ over the past couple of weeks, Winter kicked back in this week, with lots of rain and 140kph winds.
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We have just had the warmest September on record and it reached 30 degrees yesterday. Overcast today but still warm, water restrictions are being upgraded so it looks like I might have to get a water tank installed to keep the garden alive, and we are nowhere near summer yet.
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Nearly 7 hours its taken me to log in! Sorry Robbo, JD, was trying to engage you both in nightcrawler chat but couldn't ](*,) . Thanks to Martin though I've successfully avoided deleting the internet and found what these 'cookie' things are, deleted them, and I'm back. Very odd that it didn't affect me until today. I've had to work all day! Cheers Martin. JD, Robbo, we'll chat tomorrow! Oh, and Robbo, 'rooting'? Haven't heard that term for love-making for a while. Sounds kinda dirty.
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I'm worried whether I'll be able to capture my past ability on a football pitch, as I play my first game in absolutely ages later on.
The legs have gone. Which at 20 is a sad thing indeed.
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I'm worried whether I'll be able to capture my past ability on a football pitch, as I play my first game in absolutely ages later on.
The legs have gone. Which at 20 is a sad thing indeed.
Isn't that what players with absolutely no ability use as an excuse? :smt002
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I'm worried whether I'll be able to capture my past ability on a football pitch, as I play my first game in absolutely ages later on.
The legs have gone. Which at 20 is a sad thing indeed.
Isn't that what players with absolutely no ability use as an excuse? :smt002
Possibly. I was pleasantly surprised with my football, just not my extreme lack of fitness.
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I'm worried whether I'll be able to capture my past ability on a football pitch, as I play my first game in absolutely ages later on.
The legs have gone. Which at 20 is a sad thing indeed.
Isn't that what players with absolutely no ability use as an excuse? :smt002
Possibly. I was pleasantly surprised with my football, just not my extreme lack of fitness.
Is this where you tell me that you smoke 80 a day, drink like a fish, and think exercise is a film about the devil?
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I'm worried whether I'll be able to capture my past ability on a football pitch, as I play my first game in absolutely ages later on.
The legs have gone. Which at 20 is a sad thing indeed.
Isn't that what players with absolutely no ability use as an excuse? :smt002
Possibly. I was pleasantly surprised with my football, just not my extreme lack of fitness.
Is this where you tell me that you smoke 80 a day, drink like a fish, and think exercise is a film about the devil?
I don't smoke, but I do drink a bit. In the last year or 18 months though I haven't really done anything, and I got my reward yesterday!
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I'll leave the quotes...never give up, if there's one thing I'm dreading its the day I stop playing. I did fall out of love with playing about 3/4 years back because of all my injuries and operations. It was just getting beyond a joke. I hated playing. The strangest feeling. I lost that yearning to have a ball at my feet. To just kick a ball. my dad had the same experience in his early 30's and he understood what I went through in terms of falling out of love with playing. In one game one of our midfielders berated me for not chasing a pass, and asked what was wrong. I just said, "I'm bored". The incredulous look on his face said it all. Then 4 months before coming out here I got another knee injury and thought that was it. No more. But, coming here, having a proper footie trainer, getting games, playing in warm conditions, and I've got a new lease of life. My injuries- some of them serious, compound fracture of tib/fib being the worse- have done for my pace but the enthusiasm is back. I love playing again.
One of the players here, he's 38, broke his foot playing and the doc told him to quit playing and what he said in response was true. He said, "you don't play football, do you?, "No" replied the doc, "Thought not. I can't give up, I can only stop playing football when I don't want to play anymore. Its as simple as that". And it is. That's football for you. Anyone out there who plays football will know exactly what I mean. You're a long time retired. Ex-players just want to kick a ball again, and those getting to the retirement age will put it off until they know they can't do it anymore. OIT, you're 20. Keep playing. One day you won't be able to play anymore, for whatever reason, and boy will you miss it.
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And after that enpassioned diatribe I'm off to footie training. \:D/
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Cheers Peter, have a good one!
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Peter, you never truly retire. I retired about five years ago (yeah right [-X ) and have played a few games over the past five seasons. I was a player coach and I am now coaching kids so that I have an excuse to have a kick around a couple of times a week, without getting the injuries.
Your friend is right, I was told to retire in my mid twenties (due to broken ankles and knee ligament trouble) and I have still continued playing into my forties. 8-[
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We're not worried any more! \:D/
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Well you should be. [-X
You should be worried that one of our players may get injured in the internationals for a start. [-(
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I remember my last game simply because I knew as I walked off that i would not play again. Mortgage, young family and the knowledge that I was a shadow of the player I had been. It was one of the saddest moments of my life so to all who are young enough to play i say enjoy every minute it is a long time gone.
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Morning JD, Robbo. I knew deep down that coming over here would give my football a boost. It was the coming to a new place, seeing new people, nobody knowing if I could play the game, and the old having to prove something. To me more than anything. My weighjt now is down to the weight I was 20 years ago. Even when I was playing semi-pro standard my weight was 10 and a half stone, then hit 11 stone when I got to late 20's early 30's. Balloned to 12st 2 when I left the UK! I'm 5ft 7 . Now its down to 10st 3. Feel great for it. My knees hurt like anything but that's the price for twsting and turning on the pitch for 30 years, plus injuries and operations.
Thing is I know when I go home that it will be all over. I won't want to go out to training in the night. Rain, wind, cold. Then have the same conditions in games. This place is conducive to sporting activity. There's loads of sports to do- a bit like Oz- never been to NZ JD, but I guess its similar to Oz in that nature, but football is the one for me again. When its gone I'll miss it, and I know its sooner rather than later. So, I'll enjoy this 'Indian' summer.
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Loads of sport here Peter, they're probably more fanatical about sport here than in the Uk. Doesn't matter what it is, if a New Zealand or NZ are in it then there is interest. Be it Rugby, League, Cricket, Football, Netball, Sailing, Surfing, Mountain Biking, Mountain Running etc, you name it they love it.
When I left the UK my team had just won the Essex Junior Cup the previous season, so I suppose I left on a real high. I came over here, played in my first friendly and scored twice and the team thought they had signed George Best (such is the standard of football over here I was playing in the same league as ex NZ internationals). Alas, they were fooled.
You must be a skinny runt Peter only being 10 and a half stone 8-[ . I am 5 foot 9 inches and weigh between 11 and a half to 12 stone (depending on how hard I am training for a Marathon etc).
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You must be a skinny runt Peter only being 10 and a half stone 8-[ . I am 5 foot 9 inches and weigh between 11 and a half to 12 stone (depending on how hard I am training for a Marathon etc).
[-X 10 st 3. \:D/
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10 stone 3lbs! 8-[ My 13 year old Son is nearly that heavy.
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Oh bugger, now I've got something else to worry about. I'm 15' 12.
I was over 17 at the end of last season but had a good pre-season to get in shape!
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Oh bugger, now I've got something else to worry about. I'm 15' 12.
I was over 17 at the end of last season but had a good pre-season to get in shape!
You're 15 ft 12? F uck me. From now on I'll agree with whatever you post. Just in case we ever meet. Actually, Chris Smith and BE may as well tell me their height before I try and wind them up again.
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I'm 1m 86 cm or 6'1 and 100kg, 15.7 stone or 220lbs depending on where you come from. If you come from Pakistan, that means I'm nails, otherwise, I'm a peaceable chap. ;-)
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6' 3.5"
12.5 stone
Shoe size 10-11
'Athletic' build (ie scrawny)
Abject coward
Anything else?
I'm worried that this is turning into another 'Who is who' thread!
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You must be a skinny runt Peter only being 10 and a half stone 8-[ . I am 5 foot 9 inches and weigh between 11 and a half to 12 stone (depending on how hard I am training for a Marathon etc).
[-X 10 st 3. \:D/
Bloody Hell are you related to Kate Moss!
Or did you forget to tell us your only a 3 foot tall umpah lumpah.
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See Peter, other people think you are too scrawny. [-X You need a good meal you do.
Anyway changing the subject, I see Tommy is injured. #-o I do hope he is ok for the game at the weekend against Spurzzzzz.
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See Peter, other people think you are too scrawny. [-X You need a good meal you do.
Anyway changing the subject, I see Tommy is injured. #-o I do hope he is ok for the game at the weekend against Spurzzzzz.
Does that mean you are officially worried or only tentatively worried about that?
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See Peter, other people think you are too scrawny. [-X You need a good meal you do.
Anyway changing the subject, I see Tommy is injured. #-o I do hope he is ok for the game at the weekend against Spurzzzzz.
Does that mean you are officially worried or only tentatively worried about that?
Only tentatively worried this early in the week Drummond. I might get officially worried towards the end of the week though, especially if anyone else picks up an injury. 8-[
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Morning JD. I'm the right weight for my height. And I've done it without having to eat shite dietary food. Well low fat cheese slices on ryvita as a snack doesn't count does it? Anyway, I haven't seen much over the weekend so I don't know the severity of Sorensen's injury, or how he did it. Its his shoulder, right? What about Mellberg? Didn't he injure his knee? Its great to have something to worry about again. Actually, no. It isn't. We were doing well.
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I didn't hear that Mellberg had injured his knee. He played the full 90 minutes against Spain, so it couldn't be that bad. A great finsh by Allback in the game as well.
Just hope that no-one else gets injured during the games this week. I will be keeping an eye out for games involving Villa players and not taking much notice of England. Should I be worried that I am more interested in the welfare of Villa players than my national team? 8-[
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I didn't hear that Mellberg had injured his knee. He played the full 90 minutes against Spain, so it couldn't be that bad. A great finsh by Allback in the game as well.
Just hope that no-one else gets injured during the games this week. I will be keeping an eye out for games involving Villa players and not taking much notice of England. Should I be worried that I am more interested in the welfare of Villa players than my national team? 8-[
The way England are playing NO. Bloody shower. Just shows the supporters and media are aiming way above their station. As and when we come up against the likes of Italy etc then we will see if we deserve our ranking.
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One of the few pluses in getting older is that the odd kilo here and there is expected and accepted. We don't have to worry so much about being mean and lean as the opposite sex hardly notices us anyway, this is your future.
I am seriously thinking of supporting another nation, England are shite, the players are shite, the manager is shite and there are no Villa players in the team and they are dead boring. Who do you suggest?
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Let's all support the mighty Vanuatu =D> . They beat New Zealand in a World Cup qualifier and ruined New Zealands chance of playing off against Australia. 8-[
Or we could support The Solomon Islands.
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Lets keep a sense of perspective here JD, if i am to look elsewhere it wont be to a nation that practices with coconuts.
I have been looking at google earth and notice there appears to be a soccer stadium in Kingstanding not far from the ex servicemens club whom I wonder does that belong to. There is also a stadium in Perry Barr park that wasn't there when I departed, and the dog track has moved how things change.
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Morning both. I'm with you Robbo, lets get our collective weights behind another national team. At least until The Smug One has gone. Who to suggest? Latvia? Slovenia? Indonesia? Iran?
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Let's support Papua New Guinea. If they don't beat you they eat you. :-
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Or Cyprus. They are a good team and it would be fun to spend time over there at qualifying games. :smt002
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Surely we don't want to support a team that will lose often. We went through that last season!!!! Okay, how about Peru?
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Doesn't Knobhead Solano play for Peru? If so, I'm not supporting them. What about Equatorial Guinea?
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I am looking for a country that is on the up not generally seen as a power nation but who play attractive football. A little bit like Villa.
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Seriously then, let's all support Sweden. Olaf plays for them, they are a good side and their female fans are rather attractive. O:)
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Forgot about Mythalano and Peru, so they're out. Cannae do Sweden, always had an irrational dislike of them for some reason. I think its because Brazil always have to play in blue when they meet. And its never like watching Brazil when they're in blue. So, next? How about...hmmm....Hungary?
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You must be joking, still remember as a kid how upset I was when Pushkas and his cohorts destroyed the invincibility of the England side. I mean I woudn't give a toss now but then i was inconsolable. If it wasn't for the fact that they may never win an international I could look at Andora, I would probably be their only supporter outside the principality.
Gets the novelty vote, an Andora football shirt now thats something.
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Hmmm...but surely we want a side that can win a game or two? Austria maybe. We'd get bored of plucky losers Andorra. How about Luxembourg?
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So which game are we going to get ourselves into fellow worriers...
This one...
Andorra v FYR Macedonia
This one...
Luxembourg v Bulgaria
This one....
Austria v Switzerland
Maybe even this one....
Holland v Albania
Obviously on the side of the Albanians..
one more
Malta v Hungary
Throwing our weight behind the plucky islanders?
So, who shall we go for? I'll go for Luxembourg. For no good reason.
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when I got to late 20's early 30's. Balloned to 12st 2 when I left the UK
So that'll be one of them long thin balloons that creepy childrens entertainers twist into dogs.
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Peter good call on Malta, they beat Hungary tonight and it's a nice place to go on holiday. =D> =D>
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Malta it is in then. Fits in well with Robbo has he has a historical dislike of the magyars.
Malta 2-1
(HT 1-1) Hungary
A Schembri 14
A Schembri 53
S Torghelle 19
Bookings:
K Sammut 87
Sent off:
V Vanczak 38
Can the boys qualify?...........
1 Turkey 3 3 0 0 8 0 8 9
2 Greece 3 3 0 0 6 0 6 9
3 Norway 3 2 0 1 6 2 4 6
4 Bosnia-Herzegovina 4 1 1 2 8 11 -3 4
5 Malta 3 1 0 2 4 8 -4 3
6 Hungary 4 1 0 3 5 8 -3 3
7 Moldova 4 0 1 3 2 10 -8 1
Come on the Maltese. You have the night-crawling Worrymen on your side.
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I wonder if any Villa players have Maltesers for parents? O:)
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Go Gozo!
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Tony Drago and Paul Mifsud will be dancing on the streets of valetta now that we're on board. And the Maltese falcon.
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Im worried, no in fact im shittin bricks cos I'm doing a bungee jump (my first one) for charity tomorrow afternoon. 8-[
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I file bungee jumping under the' Never In a Month of Sundyas' category. For charridee or no.
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I file bungee jumping under the' Never In a Month of Sundyas' category. For charridee or no.
Bungee jumping & skydiving are the two greatest things you can do! I've done both several times & bungee jumping's actually more intense due to the fact that you're closer to the ground & have to dive head first.
However, skydiving's better as you get up to 200 mph just a few seconds after leaving the aeroplane, which isn't too shabby!
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8-[ :smt119 :smt120 :smt101 :smt103 :smt078
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8-[ :smt119 :smt120 :smt101 :smt103 :smt078
Don't worry: if it's for charity even if you die your sponsors should still pay up! =P~
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I'm worried that you are insane.
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I'm worried that you are insane.
What? Me??? No way!
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I'm still alive! \:D/
What an experience/adrenalin rush. Made the mistake of looking down as the crane hoisted me up, Holy shit that was the worst bit. Jumped out looking over the sea then saw little faces a long way below. Absolutely awsome.
Today has been a great day as I managed to have a surf this morning and caught me first proper tube.
All I need to round it off is 3 points for the Villa. \:D/
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I'm still alive! \:D/
What an experience/adrenalin rush. Made the mistake of looking down as the crane hoisted me up, Holy shit that was the worst bit. Jumped out looking over the sea then saw little faces a long way below. Absolutely awsome.
Today has been a great day as I managed to have a surf this morning and caught me first proper tube.
All I need to round it off is 3 points for the Villa. \:D/
Pretty sweet right? told you! It's addictive as well...
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JD, Robbo, where art thou?
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Still here but not a good weekend. A fifteen year old junior easily beat me in the semi's of the singles knock out (golf), they have far too much time to practise. I await with interest the highlights package tonight to see the Angel show, state here and now it's his last season with us, can't knock him for effort but sadly too slow and not very lucky.
From all reports Davis should be given a spell back in the twos before wqe totally ruin him.
How are the rellies? give them my regards.
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Robbo, rellies all good. Regards to yours...
I disagree about Davis I don't think he needs a rest at all. He's just not a wide right midfielder come forward. Wasted him on Saturday and if a player is played in a position he's not usd to then he can look poor. We've only played 8 games of the season so far, so to suggest he needs a rest is nonsense. He's looked good in the middle 3 in my eyes, and the manager thinks so too. The only reason I'd drop him is to play a left-sided midfielder on the left- or if Luke Moore was fit. He's not, so that's irrelevant just now.
Interesting to see what O'neill does on Sat now. 4-4-2 just didn't seem to work last weekend. I thought Angel was the better of the two forwards. But, God decided that his weekend was going to be shit in the space of 1 minute. Slag him off for pens all you like, but he's as ggod as we've got. Baros is probably worse, barry is just someone who belts the ball fdrom the spot. great when it goes in, but looks amateurish when he misses. he too is 50/50. So who? Petrov? Davis? Gabby? Ridge? We are very average-poor with our conversion rate.
But, I will stick up for Angel. He kept going and always looked like he wanted to stand up and be counted. For that he takes some credit. For a missed pen he doesn't. For the own goal..well he was just trying too hard to make up for the spot-kick.
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I actually felt sorry for JPA. 8-[ The penalty miss was bad enough, but the own goal could have knocked the stuffing out of most players, a strange goal. At least he carried on trying and if it wasn't for a great save at the end by Robinson, he could have easily have won the game for us.
On a side issue, why do players insist on trying to blast the ball into the back of the net from within six yards. I have seen lots of missed chances over the past few weeks from different games, where players have tried to blast the ball into the back of the net, instead of side footing it along the ground. Suffice to say, most have missed. ](*,)
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Not sure whether it was a great save by Robinson JD, as Angel was guilty of trying to just blast it. If he had put the penalty away he would have hit it hard, low, and into the corner. The worst miss was Petrov's. It was an ugly 'screw' past the post when he had done the hard work. So, ignoring the penalty for a second, We eqialise, and then have more than a good few chances to win the game. We didn't. That was the most worrying aspect for me.
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At least we are creating these chances Peter. Last year a penalty miss and then an own goal would have resulted in defeat. It seems nice in a way that we do not play well but we are all disappointed that we did not win. That's progress. =D> =D>
With the chances we are creating, I still think we are going to give someone a hiding very soon. Hopefully it will be this weekend O:)
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It really does my head in when i hear fans moaning after not playing well Saturday the main fact is we came back at them hard and could`ve won the game, i agree it is progress from last season i want to be successful in years to come not now.
KEEP IT UP YOU VILLA BOYS I`M PROUD OF YA!!!
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It really does my head in when i hear fans moaning after not playing well Saturday the main fact is we came back at them hard and could`ve won the game, i agree it is progress from last season i want to be successful in years to come not now.
KEEP IT UP YOU VILLA BOYS I`M PROUD OF YA!!!
Very true, better that we build a team that will be good next season or the season after than this season specifically, just look at West Ham. Qualified for Europe last season & failing miserably this season.
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You guys don't seem worried by Villa's plight. Are you sure you are on the right thread? 8-[
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Although very impressed by how we reacted to going a goal down, against 10 men or not, it slightly irks that a 'good' team would have buried the very good chances that we had. If we're being honest with ourselves we should have walked away 2-1, 3-1 winners. Angel and Petrov missed gilt-edged chances.
We can't keep looking the gift-horse in the mouth that we were presented against Tottenham after equalising. We need to win Saturday. great chance after great chance. If we don't then we'll start to look differently to last Saturday. Then it will be 3 wins in 9, and not undefeated in 9, or 1 defeat in 9.
(That's how you do it Leon, Valey. Its okay, it takes practice)
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this is getting dangerously low. You lot got nothing to say anymore? I'm worried that y'all think you're in for a Villafest of glory.
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Im worried my H&V won't arrive this morning.
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I'm now worried it won't come tomorrow 8-[
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I'm worried that My H&V won't be here in 2 weeks time when I normally get it. Well, I obviously don't get them all in two weeks time as that would be a terrible service. Except for the ones that you get later in the season that I get in two weeks time. Wait until you see who we buy in Jan!!!!! Oh, McClaren gets sacked, the Shit finish 8th. And, well, don't book your holidays for the week after the end of the season.....
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Sorry Peter, I moved house on Thursday so haven't had time to log on. Settled in now, so I am back. I'm worried that my H&V will be sent to my old address and that the new owners will deny having received it. 8-[
I was worried about that performance on Saturday. It was the worst this season and i didn't enjoy getting up at 5am to watch it. :-({|=
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I was worried that you and Robbo had abandoned my worrying and had an unhealthy dose of optimism. Good to see you back.
The thing with the performance you could see we needed a win, or a defeat. What I mean by that is sometimes a defeat makes you regroup and come out harder for the next game. Whereas draws make you go into your shell a bit more because you focus on the negatives rather than the positives.
We could struggle at Leicester.
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I'm worried that the poxy international break has broken our stride somewhat.
I'm worried that we are becoming the victim of sky ty and our fixtures are going to be buggered about from pillar to post.
I'M ALSO WORRIED THAT MY COPY OF H&V WILL NEVER MATERIALISE
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I'm not worried today, but encouraged by the General and the positive comments and ideas that are coming out of Villa Park. O:) =D>
I might be worried if we don't start scoring more goals though. :-k 8-[
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I'm worried that we have had little or no rain this spring so my son who has a gardening business has no grass to cut and may want financial rescue. Does anyone know a decent rain dance?
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No, but I know a safety dance.
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No, but I know a safety dance.
He can also do a good version of YMCA, Agadoo, and the Macarena :-
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How about the mashed potato?
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42236000/jpg/_42236050_bruce_getty.jpg)
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I'm really worried that having been the only person really worrying that now the honeymoon period is over this site will be overwhelmed with worriers. Anybody else worrried?
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I'm worried that I will have a nightmare tonight when I go to bed, after seeing the picture that Bad English put on this thread. 8-[
How dare you soil our thread Sir. [-X [-X
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I am getting nervous that the initial enthusiasm is starting to slide. Our forwards apart from Gab are not up to it. Davis as i've said before should be spelled even though he is playing out of position. Our new purchase is missing GM. We will be hanging on for January.
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This security thing is f ucking me off. 3rd attempt at a post
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I'm not worried about receiving my copy of H&V's as I received it yesterday.
Now I'm worried about Saturdays game. 8-[
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I'm worried that I will have a nightmare tonight when I go to bed, after seeing the picture that Bad English put on this thread. 8-[
How dare you soil our thread Sir. [-X [-X
I thought it was quite witty myself. \:D/
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BE what on earth are you doing up at this time in the morning?
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Well, I broke up for half-term yesterday and had a "couple" to "unwind". The resulting acetone production plant that installed itself in my innards kept waking me up. I've got an appointment at 10am so I thought I might as well get up now.
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9000???? You'll be gutted at getting to 10 000 and finding out they're pushing kermit back further. You know its just a ruse to keep you here. The fear is, nay, worry, that you'll retire at the highlighted kermit.
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Kermit doesn't work for mere posters any more, it used to... It wouldn't take much to pop that option in. It used to be 5000, IIRC.
I'm worried that it is a sign of Animal Farm "some are more equal than others" tendencies. Perhaps we should start referring to the owners as Napoleon and Squealer. ;-)
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Napoleon? No no...there's only room for one General on this site.
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Hark at you lot talking about a Kermit. I haven't even got a Fozzie yet. Should I be worried about that? :-
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I'm nowhere near a Kermit. I think I'll be Gonzoing for a while yet.
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I will always be a muppet, be it gonzo or Kermit. So how do you get to be a Kermit ? Or is it the unattainable goal ?
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You become a mod, or a boyfriend of a mod.
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It would seem so. I've done everything to get the accolade of ultimate sad poster, nothing works...
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It would seem so. I've done everything to get the accolade of ultimate sad poster, nothing works...
I hereby grant you the accolade of ultimate sad poster. There ya go.
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You are saddest. Well done. However, you hve some way to go before being bestowed as the worriest.
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No that honour goes to me because as i'm by far the oldest then it stands to reason that i have accumalated far more worrying time than anyone else.
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That's right Robbo. These youngsters don't know too much about worrying. I bet they haven't got up one morning yet and found they are going grey either. #-o 8-[
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Its when you notice that you are going grey downstairs that you need to start really worrying.
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Its when you notice that you are going grey downstairs that you need to start really worrying.
I' be really worried if I went grey while walking downstairs :-)
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Depends what's waiting for you at the bottom, I guess,
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Might be a long staircase..... :-k
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I might have to take the lift instead then. 8-[
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How about the escalator?
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An old woman died over here on an escalator the other week. Just a freak accident where she fell over on it and banged her head. So I am worried about using them now (as I am getting old myself). 8-[ :-k
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I hate the top and bottom of escalators. I remember being shit scared of them as a kid and never getting over the fear of catching myself on the jagged bit that could take my leg off.
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Anyone remember the telly ad from years ago with the lad on the escalator with his shoe laces undone... I think it was one of those public safety ones.
Nice to see the Nanny state was starting way back then. ](*,)
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I hate the top and bottom of escalators. I remember being shit scared of them as a kid and never getting over the fear of catching myself on the jagged bit that could take my leg off.
I was the same Peter, I used to jump on and off them rather than just step on them. It's funny the things that scared you when you were a kid.
The Cybermen used to scare me as well. 8-[ #-o
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I'm worried about amfy not getting lost on the way to Chelsea next week.
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Drummond, make sure someone you know gets on the same coach and then convinces the driver to take a 'short cut'. :-
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That'll be Joe then
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I'm worried either way.
I'm worried that if I don't get lost we'll lose, and I'm worried that if i do get lost, I'll miss the match.......along with the whole of coach number :-$
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I'm worried that if we do decide to go on the coach we'll be on the same one as amfy as it sounds like she wasn't too far in front of Jon in the queue. (We have coach tickets but may have to send them back due to the early start)
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I'm worried that the lack of my lucky away shirt at Chelsea will hinder our progress in the cup.
That t-shirt has seen some cracking victories I tell you!
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I also lost one lucky earring just before Liverpool and I still can't find it.
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I wore my 'lucky earrings' and my lucky pink-ish Swatch watch that I'd worn every match so far this season [and I hadn't worn them non-match days at all this season] but they let us down last Saturday. With almost religious devotion, I wore my blue-ish Swatch watch every non match day. I'm effing worried about which watch to wear. Added to which, I have a black strap Swatch watch too ](*,) . Life's a bitch :-({|=
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How many watches do you need?
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You have no idea :-
Confession time, I have a fetish for Swatch watches, and watches in general. I have 4 Swatch watches, and about 4 other watches. Though when it comes to other forms of jewellery, other than about 3 pairs of earrings, and one ring, that's it ;)
I'm worried, maybe I should have more jewellery :(
And I'm worried about my spelling too, not sure if jewellery is spelt that way
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You have no idea :-
Confession time, I have a fetish for Swatch watches, and watches in general. I have 4 Swatch watches, and about 4 other watches. Though when it comes to other forms of jewellery, other than about 3 pairs of earrings, and one ring, that's it ;)
I'm worried, maybe I should have more jewellery :(
And I'm worried about my spelling too, not sure if jewellery is spelt that way
That's great to hear Lizz. I have about 30 watches - I've no fetish me - and keep it quiet but I rarely wear a watch. :-#
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You have no idea :-
Confession time, I have a fetish for Swatch watches, and watches in general. I have 4 Swatch watches, and about 4 other watches. Though when it comes to other forms of jewellery, other than about 3 pairs of earrings, and one ring, that's it ;)
I'm worried, maybe I should have more jewellery :(
And I'm worried about my spelling too, not sure if jewellery is spelt that way
That's great to hear Lizz. I have about 30 watches - I've no fitish me - and keep it quiet but I rarely wear a watch. :-#
You don't HAVE to have a new one every time the batteries run out or the watch needs winding up.
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oh yes you do.
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Apparently you have to have a new handbag every time the old one's empty.
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Apparently you have to have a new handbag every time the old one's empty.
you should try and live with a Latina.... mate..
is that another new one? how many do you have now...
What the hell have you got in there!
ooooh hang on a minute .....
Is that my Villa scarf down the bottom?
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Women never have empty bags Dave, they are like the Tardis. I once found a family of 12 that had moved from Papua New Guinea in one of my Wife's Handbags. No wonder food kept going missing, I was blaming my teenage sons as well. #-o
My Wife buys shoes. Shoes, shoes and more bloody shoes. ](*,) ](*,)
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"Women you can`t live with them..... and you can`t live without them"
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I was in Bangkok not so long ago in BK shopping centre in Siam(for those that know the area). The missus was doing her going into every shop and to be fair I lasted at least an hour before getting irritated. Anyway, she goes in to one bag shop and spent a bleedin' age deciding between two bags because,"I need a new bag". She has about 300.
Anyway, keen for brownie points, and knowing where brownie points may end up...I said, " Baby, don't worry about cost, they're both really nice, and suit you (how the f*ck does a bag suit anyone?) so why not get both? Here you go, babe, heres the money".
The excited happiness on her face was like watching a kid on christmas morning, or like the time your caught the ice-cream van just before it was about to pull away. To be honest I did feel good. So, obviously did she.
As we left I was thinking that I was actually a good boyfriend. Holding her hand she led me straight into the next shop....Yep, a f*cking shop full of bleedin' bags.
"You've just bought 2. Why do you need a-bloody-nother one?". "They're different bags. Look at this one..." and she was off. Into another world. And yet I get looked at quizzically because I want to go into a shop, see what I want, and get out.
Jeez.
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The answer of course is you come to an agreement with the girlfriend, you don't ask her to watch the Villa and she doesn't ask you to go shopping.
I watched a show last night about Pakistan where Islamabad featured regularly, apparently they have fifteen nuclear weapons scattered around, what can you see from your window?
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Yes, can you get me one? It would make a nice conversation piece in the lounge/diner next time I host a PTA coffee morning
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A handbag or a WMD?
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Our house already knee-deep in handbags
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The answer of course is you come to an agreement with the girlfriend, you don't ask her to watch the Villa and she doesn't ask you to go shopping.
I watched a show last night about Pakistan where Islamabad featured regularly, apparently they have fifteen nuclear weapons scattered around, what can you see from your window?
I can see some trees and the Margalla Hills. Well, I thought they were the Margall Hills but it appears that they are huge bunkers containing missiles. Mind you, as a capital city of a nuclear country it would be naive to think they're wouldn't be weapons around here somewhere.
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I usually start with buying a pair of shoes...then a handbag to match the shoes....Then I think...Hmm now I have that handbag I could do with another pair of shoes to match it....then....OOoh now that other handbag there would go with the 2nd pair of shoes that I bought...Then that is usually followed by...I should buy another pair of shoes to go with that 2nd handbag so that I get my use out of it. Then...of course another handbag to match the pair of shoes that go with the handbag that matches the 3rd shoes... or something like that....& it goes on from there.
Then I get worried that I will have no room for all of them
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I usually start with buying a pair of shoes...then a handbag to match the shoes....Then I think...Hmm now I have that handbag I could do with another pair of shoes to match it....then....OOoh now that other handbag there would go with the 2nd pair of shoes that I bought...Then that is usually followed by...I should buy another pair of shoes to go with that 2nd handbag so that I get my use out of it. Then...of course another handbag to match the pair of shoes that go with the handbag that matches the 3rd shoes... or something like that....& it goes on from there.
Then I get worried that I will have no room for all of them
Yeah, you've kept my uncles shoe & bag shop in business for years. Cheers. :smt002
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Not big on shoes, me. I buy a few pairs and wear them almost 'till the heel falls off or the sole gets a hole.
Handbags, however, are different.
I don't have to have that many, maybe 3 or 4 a year, but they have to be Radley. I have my eye on their latest 'signature' bag, called, appropriately, Retail Therapy. Trouble is struggling to justify treating myself as it is rather expensive. :-k
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Trouble is struggling to justify treating myself as it is rather expensive. :-k
I'm worried because I don't have a problem justifying treating myself at all, I think I deserve my treats ;). I'm worried I'm selfish, but then I am doing my bit for the consumer society, which also worries me :-
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You are a top star Lizz,top of the pile,crocodile.
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This thread is being infiltrated!! Have the 'newcomers' read the entirety?
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Now I'm worried that this thread has turned into a shopping channel.
Just as I was going to post this, my Wife called me at work to ask if she can use my account to buy a new handbag. #-o I am not kidding, it was bizarre. 8-[
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Scary!
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Trouble is struggling to justify treating myself as it is rather expensive. :-k
I'm worried because I don't have a problem justifying treating myself at all, I think I deserve my treats ;). I'm worried I'm selfish, but then I am doing my bit for the consumer society, which also worries me :-
Never worry about doing your bit for the consumer society - it needs people like you.
My main worry, Lizz, is that I don't work myself. I'm a housewife so my income comes from my absolutely wonderful, caring, kind, considerate, generous (to a fault) husband, aka DCF. :-
I know he likes to treat me every now and then. :smt002
Legion wrote:
This thread is being infiltrated!! Have the 'newcomers' read the entirety?
I'm worried that we may not be welcome here. :smt022
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Mine is a 'swipe and go type' believe me im worried about the Villas future.As much as our support Home and Away.
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This thread is being infiltrated!! Have the 'newcomers' read the entirety?
When I stopped reading it months back it was full of all sorts of fuss about VFC. Somehow it's about handbags now. I think I know all I want to about either subject so I think I'll give the 200 odd unread pages a miss!
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You are more than welcome. Just read all the previous pages. Enjoy the LG period!
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My missus has got the whole of a double wardrobe, half of my single wardrobe, large chest of drawers of which I was allowed the use of one drawer, a large whicker basket crammed full of clothes and several large bags of clothes in the loft.
Don't get me started on shoes and handbags ](*,)
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you should read them Andrew,you will learn something! :-
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You are more than welcome. Just read all the previous pages. Enjoy the LG period!
This is one of the first threads I go to in the morning. The 'oldies' generally make me smile most mornings.
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I'm only 35!!
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My missus has got the whole of a double wardrobe, half of my single wardrobe, large chest of drawers of which I was allowed the use of one drawer, a large whicker basket crammed full of clothes and several large bags of clothes in the loft.
Don't get me started on shoes and handbags ](*,)
....and what's unusual about that? :-
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My main worry, Lizz, is that I don't work myself. I'm a housewife
Aargh! You do work, you do work. It's just not paid work, imho :-
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I'm only 35!!
I meant oldies as in people who have been posting on here since the outset.
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Well I said my Wife could have a new handbag. Therefore it must be time for me to buy a new Villa top. O:) =D> =D>
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My main worry, Lizz, is that I don't work myself. I'm a housewife
Aargh! You do work, you do work. It's just not paid work, imho :-
Of course I do, I work really hard doing, erm, erm well lots of things really. :smt002
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So many civil servants,soo much time.he!he!bedwetter.
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Just read the last two pages and thought I was on the wrong thread. Enough of handbags and shoes I want to read posts from the worried and depressed, and where did Mystic appear from? do we really want part time cross dressers on this thread?
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I'm now worried as we are having a restructure at work and I will have to reapply for my job. ](*,) I'm worried that I'll never get back home to see Villa. 8-[
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When they ask you to re apply it usually means they want to pay you less.
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Not in my case it doesn't. O:) My jobs been upgraded to a more senior level with more scope and responsibility. Now I just have to try and find out who else is likely to apply for it. 8-[
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I'm worried that I've only 18 months left in Islamabad. I shudder at the thought of having to return to the UK. Is it still cold during daylight hours there? Does everything still cost the earth?
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Your timing will be perfect. We will be winning everything.
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Not in my case it doesn't. O:) My jobs been upgraded to a more senior level with more scope and responsibility. Now I just have to try and find out who else is likely to apply for it. 8-[
Okay they want you to do more for the same money.
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Your timing will be perfect. We will be winning everything.
Never thought of that. But, by then the johnnie-cum-latelies will be everywhere and I'll never get a ticket. And, as we know from reading this site, the johnnie-cum-latelies are not real fans. Hang on, would the fact that i've been away for a while make me a johnnie-cum-lately? I haven't lived in Brum since 98, so have not been a regular goer for a while. In fact I haven't been a regular goer since the early 90's.
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I havn't been to Villa Park for 30 years but as i attended nearly every game during the dark ages i feel i am entitled to think of myself as an ever present, in spirit if not physically. My rellies all still go so they represent me.
Think of yourself as a world traveller spreading the gospel of Aston Villa wherever you go preparing to make a triumphant return. Does that make you feel better?
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Erm, yes. Actually it doesn't bother me how other people may or may not see my supporting the Villa. I know how it hurts when we lose, I know how it feels to be hate to think about football, and a defeat for about 3 days after we've lost. I know how my day/night/weekend/week feels after we've won. (So does the missus). So, I'm not bothered by others.
All I care about is when I get my one trip a year pencilled in for the UK I want see the Villa. The strange thing is as much as I yearn a victory. Its enough just being there. If we lose I'm peed off, but I'm just happy to have been to the Ruskin Hall with the old man for our pre-match drinks. To have walked past Aston Hall. To have seen the ground. To have climbed the steps into the Upper Holte. To take my seat and look at the 4 stands. To take in the atmosphere. To get right back into it. To hopefully celebrate a goal. Even the opposition scoring gets you right back into it. Then to have our pint or two back in the Ruskin Hall after the game. reliving every bit of the game and pulling apart every aspect of our performance. Chips on the way home. Then out on the evening. MOTD taped if we haven't lost. Great wind-up from A lbion and Nose mates. Then a ruby.
Its what its become to me. I miss it. I'm itching to get to Villa Park again. It has become an event rather than a day now due to the time away from the place. Rather than the real supporting of thousands of miles away where I can feel physically nauseous watching us hold on to a 1 nil lead from the first minute onwards.
Wouldn't swap it for the world.
Next game pencilled in is Watford at home in mid-late Jan.
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I totally understand, when nostalgia grabs i think of home games in December leading into xmas, years ago there was a greengrocer that had his xmas trees outside his shop and everyone gearing up for the holiday. That was back when you would slide down the embankment at the back of the Witton end.
Just this week the rellies implored me to fly back for a few weeks, it's such a long bloody way. Maybe next year then you might be back and i'll buy you a pint.
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For sure. I'll be back for a couple of weeks in Jan. If you're back for the Watford game then we could have a couple in the Ruskin hall. Start our own worriers meeting place. Come on JD, get over.
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For sure. I'll be back for a couple of weeks in Jan. If you're back for the Watford game then we could have a couple in the Ruskin hall. Start our own worriers meeting place. Come on JD, get over.
I will probably be over in about three years. As per your excellent earlier post above Peter about the experience of passing Aston Hall, going into the Holte, having some beers before and after etc, that is what I want my boys to experience as well. So when I do come over, I want my two boys to come with me, so I am waiting until my youngest is around 17-18 before I come over.
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Are they looking forward to it JD? Hopefully you've got them champing at the bit to go to the home they've never been to. Personally, I cannot wait to get back down there.
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Bump! I'm worried that this thread is dying a death and slipping off the front page!
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Thank you Legion. Us foreign contingent must have been very busy over the weekend, as none of us posted. Still, Monday morning again.
I'm, worried that everyone at work will talk about the All Blacks all day. ](*,) :smt015 :smt015
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Erm, yes. Actually it doesn't bother me how other people may or may not see my supporting the Villa. I know how it hurts when we lose, I know how it feels to be hate to think about football, and a defeat for about 3 days after we've lost. I know how my day/night/weekend/week feels after we've won. (So does the missus). So, I'm not bothered by others.
All I care about is when I get my one trip a year pencilled in for the UK I want see the Villa. The strange thing is as much as I yearn a victory. Its enough just being there. If we lose I'm peed off, but I'm just happy to have been to the Ruskin Hall with the old man for our pre-match drinks. To have walked past Aston Hall. To have seen the ground. To have climbed the steps into the Upper Holte. To take my seat and look at the 4 stands. To take in the atmosphere. To get right back into it. To hopefully celebrate a goal. Even the opposition scoring gets you right back into it. Then to have our pint or two back in the Ruskin Hall after the game. reliving every bit of the game and pulling apart every aspect of our performance. Chips on the way home. Then out on the evening. MOTD taped if we haven't lost. Great wind-up from A lbion and Nose mates. Then a ruby.
Its what its become to me. I miss it. I'm itching to get to Villa Park again. It has become an event rather than a day now due to the time away from the place. Rather than the real supporting of thousands of miles away where I can feel physically nauseous watching us hold on to a 1 nil lead from the first minute onwards.
Wouldn't swap it for the world.
Next game pencilled in is Watford at home in mid-late Jan.
Another Ruskin Hall man! Bloody good place that, and they let you in at 9 in the morning for a 12 kick off. If you're having chips on the way back peter w, go to the chippy round the corner from there - its fookin' lovely.
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I know the chippy you are referring to. however, a creature of habit we'll lose if I go to the wrong chippy after the game. It has to be the usual one. its all about karma.
Anyway, good to see another Ruskin Hall person on here. All these Bartons namby-pambies with their, 'oooh, look at us in our own drinking room in a pub that serves ale from outer-mongolia which means it must be great because we're arty-farty camra types' haven't got a clue.
JD I sympathise with you. But this is where you can just give them the, 'Yeah, well, but rugby's bollocks. Football is the only game'. 'Soccer', 'No, REAL football, not your egg-chasing variety'. That'll wind them up. Always worked in Oz.
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So....we only lose if you go to the wrong chippy AFTER the match.... :-k
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Yep. I don't make the rules. Just follow them.
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I know the chippy you are referring to. however, a creature of habit we'll lose if I go to the wrong chippy after the game. It has to be the usual one. its all about karma.
Anyway, good to see another Ruskin Hall person on here. All these Bartons namby-pambies with their, 'oooh, look at us in our own drinking room in a pub that serves ale from outer-mongolia which means it must be great because we're arty-farty camra types' haven't got a clue.
JD I sympathise with you. But this is where you can just give them the, 'Yeah, well, but rugby's bollocks. Football is the only game'. 'Soccer', 'No, REAL football, not your egg-chasing variety'. That'll wind them up. Always worked in Oz.
I used ruskin hall many many years ago is it stll CIU?
It was a great club then, went to a Birthday party 3 years ago and it looked a bit run down with the bloke on the door wearing beer down his shirt. So whats it like now? what beers do they sell?
As it still got snooker tables in the back.
I also like the bartons as well (old newtown boy). the spicy nut snack they do is great bloody spicy chillies, and decent ale but i do go in there anonymously as i have only used this site for a few months.
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Yeah it is still CIU, and yes the snooker tables are still there. Although, i haven't been for a year or so now. honestly cannot rememebr the beers. However, if lager's your ting the variety is a tad poor.
But you're now in the Ruskin Hall club. We now number 3. We'll get a crew together and go down and take those Barton's facker's.
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Yeah it is still CIU, and yes the snooker tables are still there. Although, i haven't been for a year or so now. honestly cannot rememebr the beers. However, if lager's your ting the variety is a tad poor.
But you're now in the Ruskin Hall club. We now number 3. We'll get a crew together and go down and take those Barton's facker's.
Sorry guys the snooker tables have gone :( There's no 'real ale' sold in there but it does sell mild, which pleases my dad no end. With Mann's Brown Ale obviously.
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Mild? Isn't that the warm dregs from the trays poured into a barrel and then resold?
Sounds like a great place to go, no decent beer and no entertainment. With the bloke on the door with beer down his shirt it sounds like the Pub from Two Pints of Lager... :-k #-o
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Sells lager. What's your problem?
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oh dear the ruskin seems to have seen better days.
But the walk from there to the ground is unsurpassed
If we plan to take the bartons we best do it when the generals not there.
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Meh, its only snooker tables. Why play when you've Gillette Soccer saturday being shown? Anyway, something tells me General 'He's been shot twice, I've done my homework' crucklock has never heard of The Bartons...
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I bought a lovely handbag today!!! \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
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Did you. What's it like?
I'm worried that it was terribly expensive. \:D/
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Be gone with your shopping channel and find your own thread Mystic. [-X
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Meh, its only snooker tables. Why play when you've Gillette Soccer saturday being shown? Anyway, something tells me General 'He's been shot twice, I've done my homework' crucklock has never heard of The Bartons...
They have a new sattelite receiver so they can pick arabic, portuguese, whatever channels they want really. This means that they have nearly all the Villa matches on. I'm not sure if they will have the Villa - Chelsea game on but I wouldn't be surprised.
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If its the Arabic one they will. I've seen every Villa game live this season. Which is a blessing. Actually, that's a lie, I didn't see the Leicester game. So, I'm worried that I'll have to wait up until the small hours and watch some crappy game instead of us.
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Well O'Neill has been predicting a hiding foa a while now. Hopefully, this will be a blip. Be interesting to see how we respond awat at Everton now. And its games like this that you see the worth of the manager.
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I'm worried I will never see another copy of H&V. Still not got the last one and have given up waiting for the postman. :smt085
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I got mine in New Zealand ok D.boy. Maybe your Potstman can't afford the subscription and keeps them for himself. :-
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I bought a lovely handbag today!!! \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
Mystic please try and stay with the programme, i know women can do several things all at the same time but this is a worry thread. Now if you had said you had bought a lovely handbag but was worried about the catch it may have recieved a sympathetic ear from Peter W who is an expert on handbags, but all you had was good news which goes against all that this thread stands for.
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Oh woe is me. Wwwwwwwwwwooooooooooooeeee. And its a real shitter at work today.
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You do work?
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I know. Its a travesty.
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Peter it doesn't sound like you are having a good month. Villa will have to win this weekend to brighten your week up. =D> =D> :smt002
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Well I am worried that my new handbag has too many pockets in it I keep losing my stuff! Think I need a new one..... 8-[
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That's better Mystic. :smt002
Peter, I do hope the win has cheered you up a bit. \:D/
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Well it cheered me up enough to stop me worrying about my handbag crisis!!! 3rd !!!!! woooo Hooooooo, Oh sorry this is the worrying thread, ahem... :smt002
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Is it too late for me to join in? I'm worried that I chose the wrong year to move abroad and am missing all the fun at VP ](*,)
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I'm worried that I still haven't sold my house, 2 buyers fell through already, nto the third now, fingers crossed. And I'm worried that the scumbag that broke into my car last night might not die a slow lingering death from Syphillis anytime soon
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Well I am worried that my new handbag has too many pockets in it I keep losing my stuff! Think I need a new one..... 8-[
I always thought only old wimmin had handbags?
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I'm worried that I still haven't sold my house, 2 buyers fell through already, nto the third now, fingers crossed. And I'm worried that the scumbag that broke into my car last night might not die a slow lingering death from Syphillis anytime soon
I'm sure the right buyer will come along soon Matt. Third time lucky and all that. [-o<
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Morning JD. You would have thought that the win would have smited my doom and gloom. But I'm just waiting for the disappointment of watching slip from 4th down to 8th. Too much to handle....
Woe is me.......
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This is where a truly proffessional attitude pays dividends. Anyone can come on this thread when we are down the bottom and playing lousy, but it takes skill to come on here in our present circumstance and still find things to worry about.
Whats for tea Pete?
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Wotcha Robbo. Tea? Not sure yet, not even lunch time here. Yopu? A couple of prawns on the barbie? Weather's turned here. Only a chilly mid-20's during the daytime. Quite bizarre how you find mid 20's a bit on the nippy side. i'm worried I'll get hypothermia when I return to the UK in Jan. Then i'll miss seeing Villa-Watford and our 2-1 defeat that will disappoint the 28,673 crowd. Oh woe.
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Wotcha Robbo. Tea? Not sure yet, not even lunch time here. Yopu? A couple of prawns on the barbie? Weather's turned here. Only a chilly mid-20's during the daytime. Quite bizarre how you find mid 20's a bit on the nippy side. i'm worried I'll get hypothermia when I return to the UK in Jan. Then i'll miss seeing Villa-Watford and our 2-1 defeat that will disappoint the 28,673 crowd. Oh woe.
28,672 I am missing that match, well I am now i know your going =;
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Peter you really are down aren't you. 8-[ Never mind it could be worse, you could have the Auditors in like I have at work at the moment. ](*,)
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JD that's not something to worry about, that's something to be scared about!
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You're right Drummond, its not very pleasant. I am currently going through a complete re-documentation process with them for all of our billing services. It is worse than a visit to the Dentist. ](*,) ](*,)
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JD it's just like how you get nervous when the cops are behind you even though you've done nothing wrong. A word of advice it doesn't help to offer tea and biscuits but if you have a very attractive secretary with a very short skirt its a definate bonus.
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They will get sweet FA from me Robbo, apart from the details they require. I never say anything to an Auditor unless it is something I am asked for. Last audit they found no real issues with the processes I manage and are now back for more. ](*,) ](*,)
It's like a broken record with them, asking the same things year after year. #-o
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I'm worried that this thread seems to be grinding to a halt. We need fresh impetus. Are you there, General?
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Whoa there sailor. This isn't grinding to a halt. Its just that our worries are few and far between. I would like to remind any trigger happy mods/admin people, that this is the only non-stckied thread that hasn't slipped off the first page since its conception.
Now I'm getting worried that this thread is under severe threat from the non-worriers amongst you. It'll all go wrong I tells ya...
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Whoa there sailor. This isn't grinding to a halt. Its just that our worries are few and far between. I would like to remind any trigger happy mods/admin people, that this is the only non-stckied thread that hasn't slipped off the first page since its conception.
Now I'm getting worried that this thread is under severe threat from the non-worriers amongst you. It'll all go wrong I tells ya...
I'm worried by your use of the word conception. You've spent too long with this thread.
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I would say inception. But it some how just didn't fit.
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I reckon this thread is a good advert for contraception.
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I reckon this thread is a good advert for contraception.
splutter, splutter........... =D>
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Woodhall only comes on here to make not so veiled threats. I suppose everythings rosy in his life now that he has a new American friend.
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Actually he's only friends with the General. Mr Fear is friends with Randy. I think we've all backed the wrong horse...
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Your right. I would be worried if I were him, he may need counciling.
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What? You're going to stick him in a flat in Bordesley Green? Harsh.
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I'm worried Mclaren will get the tin tack and the F.A. will come sniffin round.
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Give the job to DO'L!!
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Give the job to DO'L!!
And have a team full of leeds players.
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i'm worried i just don't want to let it show.
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i'm also worried what bad english would do if he notice my shift key doesn't appear to be working very well.
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I'm worried that Drummond appears to be talking to himself. 8-[ Either that or no-one is listening to him. :-k
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I'm worried that this thread slipped off the front page. So BUMP!
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Thanks Legion. I'm worried that I've been abandoned by the rest of the overseas contingent. 8-[ 8-[
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Sorry JD. Bebn away in Bangkok for a footie tournament. What a f ucking tale of mishaps. All in my favourite shitty month....let me begin.
13 players and club secretary head off -two 5 a side teams- to Bangkok for a tournament. An hour into the journey the misses calls. 'Have you got the car keys'? Checked my pockets and there they were. 'What am I supposed to do? I've got my stuff in the car?' ...she went on.
Get to Lahore airport - drove from Islamabad to Lahore - about 4 and a half hours - and we had a group check-in. So, passed my bags to the manager and settled back for some fun and frolics. In the departure lounge, already very pissed, my mate gave me a couple of valium, so in for a penny in for a pound I took them. Next thing I know I wake up just as we land. With a pounding head. With everyone laughing at me. Apparently, upon getting on the plane I become convinced that I've seen the other half get on. So, I'm not stumbling about calling out for her, saying she's at the front of the plane. Cabin Crew trying to sit my back down and then ' Where is she Sir'? The lads are pissing themselves at the sight of my idiocy and eventually the tell me she's at the back, sit me down, and off I nod. After calling the other half to confirm she wasn't on thre plane.
So, land in Bangkok Friday morning. Waiting for the bags on the Carousel. Everybody gets there. Except me. Went to the lost luggage and it seems that all baggage tags corresponded with what we had. Then the manager and the treasurer/player who checked the bags in remember seeing my bag. But as it was close to where a woman was standing they left it there. In Lahore airport. FFS!
Get through Immigration control and went to get money out. Wouldn't work. Tried 2 or 3 times, but nothing. Wanted to call the bank and fid out what was going on, but the International roaming wouldn't work, and the phone battery died and I was left up shit-creek. Luckily a mate borrowed me money, another one bought me the GT Rover shirt and another lent some clothes.
Saturday we had the tournament, which we won, and back to the hotel to get showered, changed( or wear the same clothes as I had on in my case) and out for a few beers then off to watch the football. After that we decide to go on somewhere else. And I get a migraine. F UCK! As anyone knows who gets them they're not the most pleasant of things. So ends my Saturday.
Sunday, met up with the lads as we had to do some shopping as we were all given our shopping lists. Obviously mine was long since lost but luckily I knew what t'other half wanted. Off we went to get some stuff, then back to hotel, and straight out. Except 1 and a half hours later I get migraine number 2. F UCKING HELL!!!!!! At this point I wondered just who it was upstairs that I'd pissed off? Some days are just not your days. If anyone remembers the weekend I postes about a few months ago when I broke bones, and crashed cars, will get a feeling that someone may be taking the proverbial in the heavens! Anyway come 7 ish I start feeling human again and go out. Catch the Villa game, and things are at last enjoyable. In a club later on and my mate gets into an altercation lets say, he's now disappeared and these f ucking locals are trying to kick ten colours out of me!!! Finally catch up with my mate who badly cut his hand so I then have to cart him off to A and E where I spend the next hour or so. Its now 8 in the morning. I also have to pay 8000 Baht for his bill. He couldn't pay because we'd given a false name for him.
Got up Monday afternoon ready for the the flight home. Just wanting my BKK hell to end. In the pub before we go and everybodies giving the 'bottoms-up' and 'f ucking great weekend lads'. I would have begged to differ but though f uck it. Jonah would have called me unlucky.
Anyway, the tale does have a happy ending. Got back to Lahore and out Thai Airways greeter -the sponsored us and we were all in our beautiful pink t-shirts. Oh, and they paid for our flights!- mentioned that they had a bag that someone had left behind. Went to the blokes office and there it was!!! I'm off to Dubai in about 14 hours from now so at least I'm already packed!
Thank- f uck that's over. And at least we won the footie. Oh, and if anyones going soon stay at the Grand Presidential apartment suites. Brilliant place.
So, there ends my tale. Thankfully.
Oh, and Villa, well done for the point with such a young team. What happened to Petrov?
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You need to work somewhere safer. Iraq?
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I take it that writing it all down is part of the therapy. I didn't believe the part about migraines, only intelligent people get them, and throughout the sad tale little was seen. Do you realise your life isn't normal? I'm worried about you.
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I take it that writing it all down is part of the therapy. I didn't believe the part about migraines, only intelligent people get them, and throughout the sad tale little was seen. Do you realise your life isn't normal? I'm worried about you.
Are you sure that it´s not supposed to be "Do you realise you are not normal? I'm worried about you."? :-
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Saturday we had the tournament, which we won
so what do you mean, the trip was a disaster? I am worried you are losing your sense of perspective
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You & Legion; it's a match made in heaven.
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LOL, sounds like 'Basil Fawlty Joins A 5 a side'. Could be a christmas special :)
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I'm just worried about what's going to happen in Dubai over the next 4 or 5 days. Keep watching folks some f ucking disaster is waiting to strike.
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Sounds like you had an interesting time then Peter!
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Peter, can we make your life into a film? Who should we get to play you? Maybe Nicholas Lyndhurst. :-
Seriously, sorry to hear about the nightmare weekend. #-o
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Your far too nice JD. Are you sure your a Villa supporter?
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Robbo, I just feel a bit sorry for young Peter. He's certainly having a bad month. I have to worry about something or someone, 8-[ things are looking too rosy on the Villa front at the moment. :smt002
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I am worried as the first test starts tomorrow and I am a lone voice out in sunny Seaford.
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I'm just worried about what's going to happen in Dubai over the next 4 or 5 days. Keep watching folks some f ucking disaster is waiting to strike.
Its DOL holiday fav, and hes out of work at the moment.
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Maybe Peter is meeting up with DO'L in Dubai for a secret holiday together. :-k That won't make Chris Smith happy. :-
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I'm worried that Peter will miss the 4000th post of this thread while he is shacked up with DO'L.
You just know some upstart is going to come along and steal the glory
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Im very worried about this
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3999 posts on this thread. Who wants to knock us to 4000 and hold their bat aloft?
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& the crowd goes wild!
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I'm worried that Peter will miss the 4000th post of this thread while he is shacked up with DO'L.
You just know some upstart is going to come along and steal the glory
Pete it was valley 101 that did it..
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I'm worried that Peter will miss the 4000th post of this thread while he is shacked up with DO'L.
You just know some upstart is going to come along and steal the glory
Pete it was valley 101 that did it..
You've got the wrong guy guv, I was nowhere near her when it happened, I was reading to blind kids in the hospital & giving blood etc.
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I'm worried that Peter will miss the 4000th post of this thread while he is shacked up with DO'L.
You just know some upstart is going to come along and steal the glory
Pete it was valley 101 that did it..
You've got the wrong guy guv, I was nowhere near her when it happened, I was reading to blind kids in the hospital & giving blood etc.
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We are not worried by people coming onto this thread and trying to steal the milestones. Us Overseas contingent will still be here at 500 and probably 1000 pages. 8-[
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The Cornish contingent are worried we won't see the sun again til spring.
Fed up with horizontal rain and gales.
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1 friggin' 1. Sta next to a Boro fan in a pub who offered to give me some glasses for saying Petrov hadn't dived just 'invited' the foul. He then had the brass balls to swear blind that their goal wasn't at least a yard offside. Even when the replay was freeze framed and he was quite clearly offside.
I felt like Kevin Keegan with the 'I would love it' episode.
F ucking November. Please end. Its a constant torment.
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You should have nutted him Peter. :- :smt002
Luckily I don't know any Villaboro fans but I was furious with their play acting and timewasting on Saturday. :-x I was convinced that they would score a winner late on, as it was one of those days for Villa, but luckily they didn't.
Still there's always the cricket to look enjoy and forward to. #-o [-X
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And if not the cricket, the Rugby....
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or the tennis
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or the hockey
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and don't even mention the tiddlywinks
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or anything really...Ive had a feckin shite day! aarrgghhh :-x
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:-# 8-[ :smt056 :-$ \:D/
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Can we get back to worrying, please?
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I am worried that the All Blacks not performing the Haka, or where NZ will build a bigger Rugby Stadium is bigger news than people dying in the rest of the world. ](*,) ](*,)
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I'm worried that one day we will join hands across the Villa web boards and teach the world to sing in perfect harmony. jon fear will post here in perfect happiness. John Cresswell, Ian Robo, Dave, Dee, Mick, and Tich no, not you Maz) will all pull together and be as one.
I'm worried that The general has no first name and is merely a wandering lunatic who people snigger about behind his back.
I'm worried that not enough of the new blood who have found there way onto this thread STILL do not fully understand its therapeutic qualities as a nightcrawlers nightspot.
I'm worried that November still has 3 days to go before f ucking off and leaving me be.
I'm worried that some people do not believe Villa will be improved with Beckham and Bellamy. I'm worried that they may be right. I'm worried that we draw too much.
I'm worried that the spasm in my left eye lid has been going on for 2/3 months now. off to the clinic to see the maniacal nurse. Is it me or do you baulk at health advice from a fat woman of about 5ft2? 'How much alcohol do you drink?'
' Trust me love, nowhere near as many cream cakes as you must put away'.
I'm worried that I'm doing xmas dinner for 14 people and it may be a disaster. I worry that the muslim misses food may be contaminated by the sausage and pork rations that will be onthe table.
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Morning Peter, how was your time in Dubai with DO'L? :-
I'm worried that Chris Smith will be insanely jealous about you and DO'L going on a trip together. \:D/
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I think the link was found. I said, 'Evening, Clown' as I appraoched him at the bar. but he muttered something about upsetting, and targetting his best friend last year. But that he is now his ex-best friend because the fickle shit(his words) likes the Northern eejit. (His words)
I left when his sobbing became uncontrollable.
Dubai, however was grand. Expensive, but grand.
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No mishaps to tell us about this time then Peter? 8-[
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Only the full body cavity search! :smt119
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That was the part of the trip Peter was looking forward to. :-
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During my trolley dolly days I nearly got the full cavity experience. Comingthrough Oslo airport a sniffer dog wrapped itself around me. I was standing stark bollock naked in front of a Customs Officer before he decided to believe that I had nothing on me.
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I'm worried, the second test starts tomorrow.
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I'm worried, the second test starts tomorrow.
is that the second ashes test or the second test on petes dodgy eye?
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This something I'm not worried about. At least I'm not in Oz with all those locals ripping the piss. If we win we win. If not, I'm use to the defeats. Painful enough when the f uckers were here last year.
Did I ever tell you about Shaun Udal?
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I was worrying...but then I read Peters post & the bit about the General having no first name and being a wandering lunatic who people snigger about behind his back and it just cracked me up :smt005 Thanks Peter that really cheered me up! :smt003
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I am also worried about the second test Robbo. I just pray we don't get off to another nightmare start. ](*,) ](*,)
First day of Summer over here today (Peter, November has passed \:D/ ) and the touring Sri Lankan Cricket Team is here and are in Dunedin in 3c for their first game (that will sort them out).
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Hope we win the toss!
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As long as Andrew Strauss is batting at 7 tomorrow morning I won't be as worried as I could have been.
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Don't worry about this test anyone, we've just utilised the ancient "false sense of security" technique. The Aussies succumbed to it before.
Any news on McGrath's injury? Can't see him bowling too many overs even if he does play.
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Let's hope McGrath's injury stops him bowling at all. A superb and consistent bowler who never gives the batsman a break. I really do wish England had someone as consistent as Glen McGrath.
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Well f uck me with a pogo stick stuck on 'Go'. Great start to the test, eh?
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I'm worried I could be dead before this thread gets to 300 pages. It's obviously a slow pitch now.
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Cracks opening up big enough for Boycott to lose his car keys
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We're on a roll!
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What a relief, we've made a good start and my Aussie mates are a little worried that Warney has seen better days and the Poms are now looking forward to him bowling. Now about our bowlers?
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I am wondering if I have any future as a Villa fan. I've had to get out of bed to write this, the house is dark and the rest of my family are all asleep.
I am worried. As I grow older, I am finding that there is much less in life to remind me of what I really am. The experiences that shaped me as a person all happened decades ago. Sure, things happen to me every day, but I'm not experiencing them any more. I'm just observing them.
So I'm wondering if my support for the Villa is just a way of kidding myself that I have any genuine feelings. God knows it does me no good.
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I am exhausted, I am going to lie down and wait for it to get light again
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I am exhausted, I am going to lie down and wait for it to get light again
Obviously Damon like myself you are in what is known as the mature years (if not then you should be very worried) when sleep hours are reduced and you spend more time pondering on the what might have beens of life and if only you had read the signals that the blonde with the great figure had given out 30 years ago, and if only you had gone for the trial at Walsall when asked instead of hanging out for a better offer. There comes a time when you have to accept defeat and face the inevitable, you are old and sad, but you can still go and watch the Villa.
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Other axiomatic sentences...'Pete gets injured again playing football'. Another cartilige in knee problem'. Now I'm worried I won't be able to play next week. At least the crickets going okay.
Ian, you ask about Shaun Udal? You'll have to go back to pages 80-100 to understand.
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If I remember correctly, Mr. Udal tried to hit on the future Mrs. Winters!
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So, bald is in.
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Bald and under 40 is Robbo. Yeah Shaun Udal asked the other half out to dinner. Then after taking his first test wicket Sky News had pictures of his proud wife and 3 kids and saying what a great family man he is. Made me laugh anyway.
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When your over 40 and bald you don't give a shit anyway. The test is sold out at the M.C.G or i may have dragged myself along, They should abandon the test and put on a one dayer tomorrow.
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When does the next test start?
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:smt005 :smt081
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I'm not worried about Udal, sounds a twat to me.
I'm more worried that our FA Cup run this season may come to a very premature end. ](*,)
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I haven't got any pictures on the wall! Oh, I see....
As for the FA Cup, f uck it. I really mean it. Go up there, give it our best shot and if we go out, we go out. Our squad is thin as it is and this draw could be a blessing in disguise. If O'Neill adds to the squad in Jan, as he is likely to do, and if we are still in the top 8 or so with only a high league spot to aim for, I think it could work in our favour. No other distractions apart from the league. In the next few seasons I wouldn't think this way, but in the transition season, I'd be happy to gear all our efforts on the league.
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I'm more worried about the reception i'm going to get at the golf club this Saturday after another debacle by the England cricket team. What an absolute bunch of twats.
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F ucking miserable bunch of arseholes. Totally unbelievable. This is the bad England of yore. The way they folded was stunning. Shit, got to pick the misses up....from work, haven't just slapped her one. Although, she did answer back this morning.
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The gloating that's going on over here. The greatest number of runs scored in a first innings to go on and lose .etc.
What got me most was that our number eleven played Warne well and only got out to a doubtful l.b.w by Mcgrath, and yet our so called quality batsmen literally shit themselves when facing him. Credit to Collingwood who knew what had to be done and stuck at it although he shoud have started throwing the bat when eight down.
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I think that's it for the Ashes. 8-[ There is no way England will now win two out of the remaining three games. I worried now that we will get beaten 5-0 as McGrath predicted. ](*,)
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Haven't they learnt anything from past defeats. You don't go into your shell to save a game you play normally. 60 odd overs for 150 runs? That's just pathetic. Now we are only in it to save some pride.
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I'm now worried that Peter's sanity has been impaired with having a tough November after reading some of his posts.
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Summer rhymes with Bummer isn't really a post, is it Peter? :-
Peter, are you ok? [-o<
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Sore knee, November still all too real a month, peed down for 3 days solid, cold nights, trip to Khyber Pass may be called off as our footie team are struggling for players(playing in Peshawar the day before), Villa slipping down the table, pies over players, cricket is crap, Christmas Tree lights are as bright as your average prem player, work making me work, not getting back to the UK until Jan/Feb maybe, won't see Ron Saunders at VP, I'm tired, oh soooo tired.
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Cheer up Peter, \:D/ it's December now and it's nearly Christmas.
Your knee will get better (unlike mine). [-(
It probably doesn't rain much where you live, so it was more and likely needed. 8-[
When talking about the Khyber Pass do you think about Carry on Films? O:)
Villa are still only one point away from third place, so are in now worse a position then they were a few weeks ago. =D>
We knew the cricket would be crap (they haven't been very good since they won the Ashes and Australia are very hard to beat at home).
I am sure the Ron Saunders game will be on TV, so you will be able to keep it for all time. \:D/
So overall things are not that bad.
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My left knee is f*ck*d. Am I worried? Yes. It hurts!!
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Plus I will miss seeing Mr. Saunders on the 23rd due to being dragged off to Portugal by Mrs. Legion.
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Plus I will miss seeing Mr. Saunders on the 23rd due to being dragged off to Portugal by Mrs. Legion.
I think that after the year you and Mrs Legion have had you deserve the break. (Yet another one :- )
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Good for you and the missus Legion. Hope you have a great time in Portugal. =D>
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Thanks. I'm now worried that I'll miss the televised live game. Do you know of any bars in Albufeira (sp?) that will be screening our demolition of ManUre?
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Doesn't Mark Kelly live in Portugal? Maybe he will know.
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Plus I will miss seeing Mr. Saunders on the 23rd due to being dragged off to Portugal by Mrs. Legion.
Couldn't you suggest she take a friend?
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=D> =D> O:) O:) Good call Robbo, I didn't think of that.
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Some people are always willing to put the Villa behind women! Just staggers belief.
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Cheer up Peter, \:D/ it's December now and it's nearly Christmas.
Your knee will get better (unlike mine). [-(
Whilst getting into 'My scars bigger than yours', I'm fairly certain I can out score anyone on the football injuries and breaks scale. Shin's and knees being my speciality. Cartilage, ligaments, tendons, you name it I'vw damaged them. So, no, my knee won't get better. I'll be a raspberry in about 10 years time. But, it'll have been worth it to play football.
When talking about the Khyber Pass do you think about Carry on Films? O:) [/quote]
I don't actually. My grandad fought in Burma during the War so it reminds me more of British Servicemen in this neck of the woods. Did you know the range of mountains in that area is the 'Hindu Kush' which translates to Hindu Killer. relates to the 18th/19th century indian soldiers who invaded Afghanistan on a regular basis, but were caught out by the treacherous conditions in the mountains. Especially in the winter.
Villa are still only one point away from third place, so are in now worse a position then they were a few weeks ago. =D> [/quote]
Good point. Monday will be interesting. A game we have normally been bullied out of in the past few seasons. I'd like to see us stand up to it, and go and win the game. That would be a statement of intent every bit as drawing at Portsmouth, and winning at Everton.
So overall things are not that bad. [/quote]
Eh? Stop being optimistic. Robbo, we're losing him...
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Well I'm worried again today Peter. I'm worried I will die of boredom.
It's the weekend and Villa aren't playing. God it's so boring when we don't play until Monday evening (or Tuesday morning in my case). ](*,)
I'm worried that come Tuesday morning I will have to go to a meeting and wont be able to listen to the game. [-(
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Doesn't Mark Kelly live in Portugal? Maybe he will know.
For the last 15 years, JD.
As for Lee's problem, he doesn't have one, most bars down there will either have Skysports or it'll be on the local cable station, SportTV.
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Thanks for replying Mark. At least Legion will be able to see the match then, even though he wont be there in person.
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Thankyou! \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
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I'm worried that Robbo may get too hot. The fires aren't too close to you are they Robbo? 8-[
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Thanks for your concern JD, we were blanketed by a layer of smoke from the fires which are about 160 kilonetres away, and we've had a very hot weekend. The next couple of days will be calmer but then the northerly will kick in again with hot temperatures. The fire front is eight times the size of port philip bay and you can't fight it just try and contain it.
I will take a bet that some silly bastard will set fires in the Dandenong ranges this year and that will be nasty as everywhere is bone dry and we've only just started summer.
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I saw some satellite photos in the paper over here in NZ on Saturday Robbo. It looks pretty scary stuff and it's so hot and dry over there at the moment.
As it keeps raining over here, ](*,) half of the NZ fire force are either in Australia or on their way. It's good to be able to support the West Island of NZ. :-#
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Now if we had people in power with vision we could have water pipelines from NZ to Oz feeding into storage dams. I don't know how we transfer heat going the other way though.
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You certainly have more extreme weather than us Robbo. It's not cold over here, but it isn't nowhere near as warm as it should be. Saying that, it will probably heat up now. ](*,)
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Watching A NZer and an Aussie having a go is like watching midgets fight. Can get nasty, some good swipes, but ultimately it looks funny in a Benny Hill type way...
Last season I watched everyone of our evening kick-offs and we didn't win a single one. That's as much to do with The Clown as any TV hoodoo. So, I decided to change our luck for the Man City game by not wearing my Villa shirt before going to bed, and not getting for the game. We played like last season. So, for tonight -or tomorrow morning as it will be for me- I'll not wear my Villa shirt until its tomorrow- maybe that's why we've been losing? It kicks off at 1am local time so I won't put my shirt on until its tomorrow,and I'll watch the game live. We can't lose.
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Watching A NZer and an Aussie having a go is like watching midgets fight. Can get nasty, some good swipes, but ultimately it looks funny in a Benny Hill type way...
Last season I watched everyone of our evening kick-offs and we didn't win a single one. That's as much to do with The Clown as any TV hoodoo. So, I decided to change our luck for the Man City game by not wearing my Villa shirt before going to bed, and not getting for the game. We played like last season. So, for tonight -or tomorrow morning as it will be for me- I'll not wear my Villa shirt until its tomorrow- maybe that's why we've been losing? It kicks off at 1am local time so I won't put my shirt on until its tomorrow,and I'll watch the game live. We can't lose.
And the penalty you are willing to pay if we do is?
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Erm....surely watching us lose and then have 3 hours sleep before work is penalty enough?
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This game will determine our season. If we win we will be well placed with a couple of additions in January to try to get the last Euro place, if we lose we will be a mid table side for the rest of the season.
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Agrre 100%. We will be flying into Man U if we can go to a ground against a type of team that have bullied us, and turned us over easily, and get the 3 points. This is onw of those thin dividing lines between success and relative failure.
A defeat tonight, and against ManU, and maybe the players we are hoping to land in January take on a different look. No doubt the players O'Neill wants he's more or less sorted, but not many players want to join a team half-way through a season that have the moentum going against them.
Big game tonight. I hope to see my first evening kick-off Villa win.
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We ARE going to win!!! :smt026
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Damn straight.
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If we don't win Peter, I am holding you personally responsible. [-X :-x
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We ARE going to win!!! :smt026
WRONG
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Well Peter, what have you got to say for yourself now. :-k [-X
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I reckon Mystic and Pete are having secret liasons, only to discuss the Villa of course.
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Well Peter, what have you got to say for yourself now. :-k [-X
Morning JD, Robbo. I set the alarm for 1pm instead of 1am and missed the whole bloody thing. So, I'm sorry its my fault we didn't win.
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Well Peter, what have you got to say for yourself now. :-k [-X
Morning JD, Robbo. I set the alarm for 1pm instead of 1am and missed the whole bloody thing. So, I'm sorry its my fault we didn't win.
You don't seem to be getting many things right these days Pete i would be worried if I were you.
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I am worried that I was so WRONG!!! what is happening? ](*,) ](*,)
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Never mind Peter (hope you're not going senile 8-[ ).
I got home from work yesterday to watch the full match, only to find that someone had changed the Sky channel and had taped the Living Channel ](*,) ](*,) . So I only saw about 5 minutes worth of highlights.
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I am concerned that Petes contretente with the General is befuddling his grey matter, and Mystic are you back full time or are you treating us as your plaything again?
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I'm worried that we will never win a game again. I've forgotten what its like.
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I am concerned that Petes contretente with the General is befuddling his grey matter, and Mystic are you back full time or are you treating us as your plaything again?
Im Back....I hope unless my PC Fooks up again! - :smt023 But a girl has to have a plaything you know!!!! :smt003
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Ah. The student/s are back. Who are you all? Good summer's break?
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Like the new location Peter. Didn't know they allowed PC's there.
What's the weather like at the Bay? :-
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He might run into a guy named David Hicks there, he's been held for five years so God knows what Pete will get if he upsets the wrong people.
Weather Report.
Well the fire front is now about 180 kilometres wide and although the temperature has cooled the wind has strengthened which will put many small towns in danger. Melbourne yesterday was remeniscent of a 60s Birmingham smog. If anyone knows a good rain dance.
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Well, after a little bit of corrective studying, I have now seen how incorrect I have been all these years. Passports are for losers! My love the Cleveland Browns now knows no end. How're your soccer guys doing at The Aston Arena?
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Well, after a little bit of corrective studying, I have now seen how incorrect I have been all these years. Passports are for losers! My love the Cleveland Browns now knows no end. How're your soccer guys doing at The Aston Arena?
Shouldn't this be on another thread?
JD I think they are coming to take him away, has spent far too long in the Kasbah if you ask me. Get a grip Pete.
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My reality check is over....phew that was a close one.
Its good that we haven't won for a few games now, I can actually worry about the team we'll put out tomorrow. Psychologically, it will be horrendous for us to get bullied and easily beaten tomorrow, just one week before we play the league leaders. No keeper, our International Centre-half covering right-back, creating chances but not putting teams away before they have a chance to regroup and come back at us. I see a 3-0 beating tomorrow. Which, not just because of a defeat, will be very bad for us.
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peter, I am worried because you have echoed my own prediction. I am also worried that ridge is due to give away another pen
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Im worried that this thread seems to have slowed down - Whats happening? Aren't people as worried? Its very worrying! :-k
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It takes a professional worrier to undestand this place. Don't worry as sonn as we get to the high 80's, 90's all and sundry will pop in to take us to 300.
As for worrying I never stop worrying about Villa. Luckily, we're close enough to January to be able to attempt to halt any slide down the table for acquisitions. So, would you be prepred to take on 'fill-ins' until Summer, or get by with what we have (plus 1 or 2 thast we definitely need) under O'Neills tutelage and then get the players that we need in the summer. Ie buy an older experienced forward now - say a Viduka/Hasselbaink/Cole - or wait for the summer when more players become available. Such as Van Der Vaart/Nugent/Darren Bent?
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I am worried now, another loss at home leaves me thankfull that we had such a good start as we have forgotten how to win games and if he wasn't aware how poor this Villa side is MON surely will by now. I no longer think we can get by with a couple of fill ins in January we need genuine class to steady the ship with players in their natural positions or we could see a nasty slide down to the bottom quarter of the table. Defensively we are adequate but the midfield is still weak, we have no wide players and no genuine finishers. Baros has lost my vote, Angel is too slow, Sutton is only a temporary fill in.
One bright note is that the new owners will not be happy with recent events and are likely to release serious money sooner rather than later.
Hows that Mystic.
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Weak as piss,the lot of you.Great manager,new management,what exactly do you want?Two years fellas but we need you now.I have a lady that WANTS me to be at the match,another 10,000 pied pipers would be the greatest thing you could ever do for AVFC.
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I'm worried that the premiership table is actually quite close from 15th - 6th and any team that has a run of 2-3 wins will climb a long way due to it being so close. In the same vein a team that loses 2 or 3 on the bounce will plummet.
Who are our next few games against ... oh bugger now I am worried. :smt100
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We have LOVELY run over Christmas,it looks bad,i know,but I dont think it will be as bad as you would think!!At some point,one of the teams will get a Villa hiding!
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Hope so!
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110 percent
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Randy you miss the point of the thread. It is for pessimists, worriers and those who feel there is danger around every corner, you are far too upbeat, you must be worried about something.
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Well said Robbo. =D>
I am worried that we threw yet another game away today. How didn't we win that? ](*,)
I'm worried what my Boss will say when I turn up in the office in Auckland tomorrow, after me telling him Friday I had been offered another job in the company and that I was going to accept it. He aint going to be happy that's for sure. :-
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If he's a decent bloke he'll wish you well and be happy for you, if he spits the dummy then he's a prick and your well shot of him.
Does that help?
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I'm worried that we have gone six games without a win, honeymoon well and truly over?
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No my honeymoon was just like that. Villa didn't win at all.
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I'm worried we're only 8 points off the relegation zone! :smt002
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I'm worried we're only 8 points off the relegation zone! :smt002
so are twelve teams below us , it aint as if we cant put to passes to gether ,. our time will come .
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Just what we need for next Saturday. A MAn U team pissed off.
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I think we have a new member for this thread:
I've been worried since the start of the season.
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Christ On A Bike!!! :smt073 If HE is worried then Im feckin suicidal! [-o<
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See they all end up here eventually, after a short period of relief we are all back to worrying again. Good to see.
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All aboard the worry bus then.
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Phew, Boro lost so the gap remains 8 points. :smt002
Although Fulham won and are another one ganging up on us, the bottom half looms....
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Well two relegation spots are spoken for so we're battling for the third.
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You see Robbo I'm with you. All these fancy dans trying to be upbeat and positive. Just doesn't work. As a Villa fan you can only worry. As Nena put it ever so succinctly, and at its most profound and beautiful,' Worry, worry, super scurry. Call the troops out in a hurry'.
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After reading the other thread Im worried about Kiraly's tracky bottoms falling down at a crucial moment...... 8-[
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After reading the other thread Im worried about Kiraly's tracky bottoms falling down at a crucial moment...... 8-[
You had better take your binoculers then. Just in case.
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You see Robbo I'm with you. All these fancy dans trying to be upbeat and positive. Just doesn't work. As a Villa fan you can only worry. As Nena put it ever so succinctly, and at its most profound and beautiful,' Worry, worry, super scurry. Call the troops out in a hurry'.
thats the point i think . we are so used to looking on the dark side .
its going to take a long time to get the ellis era out of our minds , we expect the worst because that whats we have been served up year after year .
didnt someone call the ellis show always "jam tommorow" at a shareholders meeting ?
clean slate its hard but they are building this club up from the shamble ellis made it . i think most would agree end of last season was our lowest point on and off the pitch .
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I think that after we've signed some players in Jan, there will be a noticeable breath of fresh air that will lift everyone. These bunch have done well to get us thus far-still in the hunt for Europe come Jan- and lets be fair most hoped for that but didn't really expect it.
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I think that after we've signed some players in Jan, there will be a noticeable breath of fresh air that will lift everyone. These bunch have done well to get us thus far-still in the hunt for Europe come Jan- and lets be fair most hoped for that but didn't really expect it.
i expect some to be doom mongers for life..... if it isnt 30 millions and more on the way..heads will be called for ,
hope the general has got his tin hat ready !
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There's no doubt that there will be activity in Jan. However, we are likely to get the type of players that will see us getting through to the summer. Have to say I am excited at the prospect of Maloney coming. If only because the soul of Aston Villa has a large portion of Scottishness. Throughout history, our great times have had a Scot involved. We will only become the best again when we reintroduce that part of our soul that has been missing.
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There's no doubt that there will be activity in Jan. However, we are likely to get the type of players that will see us getting through to the summer. Have to say I am excited at the prospect of Maloney coming. If only because the soul of Aston Villa has a large portion of Scottishness. Throughout history, our great times have had a Scot involved. We will only become the best again when we reintroduce that part of our soul that has been missing.
Got me thinking, who was the last Jock we had?
From my poor memory, Frank McAvennie? There must have been one since then?
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graham poll wrote: i expect some to be doom mongers for life..... if it isnt 30 millions and more on the way..heads will be called for ,
hope the general has got his tin hat ready !
Er, if that's referring to my comments, then you're miles off "graham". I asked for intent, that was all, not 30 Million. Jesus...
Now he would be a decent addition to the squad.
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How do you work that out, he may be able to work miracles but he hates crosses and only plays with a team of 12 behind him!
I'd put him in charge of the catering, feeding thousands with a balti pie and 1 pint.
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he is good on crosses
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I'm new to this thread.
Could someone please precis the previous 276 pages for me please? Thank you kindly.
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Why not? it's nailed on for a bit of fun.
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I'm new to this thread.
Could someone please precis the previous 276 pages for me please? Thank you kindly.
Not possible. You have to trawl through the lot. The best bit is the 'Laughing Gravy' era!
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Oh God! #-o
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Not visited in a while, just want to help things along.
Wonder where Shaun Udal is chatting the ladies up this winter?
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After reading the other thread Im worried about Kiraly's tracky bottoms falling down at a crucial moment...... 8-[
You had better take your binoculers then. Just in case.
Why? is his manhood rumoured to be on the small side then? :smt047
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I've heard he wears the joggers because otherwise his John Thomas would be hanging out of his shorts.
Public decency and all that.
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Awwww Nuts! public decency! Bahhhh! [-(
:smt096
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graham poll wrote: i expect some to be doom mongers for life..... if it isnt 30 millions and more on the way..heads will be called for ,
hope the general has got his tin hat ready !
Er, if that's referring to my comments, then you're miles off "graham". I asked for intent, that was all, not 30 Million. Jesus...
No ref to your post Ian. but Jesus @ 30 million would be a bargain me thinks \:D/
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Please, no more Jesus puns. Seriously.
just one more ... i hear he can hang in the air for crosses all day . :- lacks mobility tho :-
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Why would we worry over our future!?
The last 20 years have been so god damn awful things can't get any worse.
We're on the way up, jump on and enjoy!
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Why would we worry over our future!?
The last 20 years have been so god damn awful things can't get any worse.
We're on the way up, jump on and enjoy!
You haven't quite got the hang of this, eh? :-k
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Are you going to tell him or shall i?
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I will! #-o
This is the WORRYING thread, where all Worriers can gather & Worry together in an atmosphere of mutual worriedness...You can Worry about the Villa, you can Worry about the state of your finances...or even the Villa's finances for that matter.the state of your marriage, your haircut, your dogs bad breath or the neighbours sexual deviances..but on this thread you MUST Worry....cheerful, upbeat gung-ho optimism has no place here !!!!!
Yours worriedly
Mystic xx :scarf:
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I'm worried you have all forgotten about me. 8-[
Sorry for not posting this week, I had to travel to Auckland for work at very short notice, but now I'm back. \:D/
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I'm worried that I'm not worrying enough :-
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what the...
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Oh dear that's a worry Mr. Cooper, hope you haven't been injured...... 8-[
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Good to see you back JD. Anyway, I'm worried that Villa will lose against Man U and Tottenham, thus f cking Christmas right up. Both game on telly too. Thing is if we go a goal up early then I spend the rest of the game shitting bricks. I have become an impossible watcher. 2nd half against the shit away last year, I had the telly on mute and walked around the house trying to find things to do to pass the time. I'd nip back into the living-room see they'd have a corner and go straight back out again. Missus nearly made my heart stop though, 'There's good news and bad news.....'. Oh f uck I thought. 'They had a corner, but it was saved'. That was it. I shouldn't have headbutted her though. That was wrong.
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Is the Spurs game on the telly.
I've been told it isn't. The kick off allegedly being changed for (in)convenience reasons.
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I'm rubbish with this tinternet business and posting links. But, if you go to live on sat.com they list every game that is being televised anywhere and on which channels. You can narrow the search by which day/country etc. Get on it. Bit peed off that my cable is currently down though as ESPN/Stra Sports.SuperSports will show Ron on the pitch. The Arab channel won't. Bollocks.
Anyway, here's my song for about 4.45pm
Chelsea, are you listening
To the song we are singing
We're going to break the top two
And we're gonna do to you
What we've done to Man U today-ay-ay
Also when we've done them today with the old and new managerial messiahs back I would here a very loud, 'Villa are back'. Win this, and it will get the ball rolling.
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CABLE'S BACK! Now I'm worried that we'll f uck it all up and it'll be a damp squib.
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oh well.
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The Spurs game is on live over here, but I wont see it as I will be tramping in the middle of nowhere in about 4 hours from now. I'm worried I will get lost. 8-[ :smt002
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I have the choice of recording the game or watching it live trouble is if I watch the game live I get so tense I can't get to sleep, especially if we get tonked.It's a worry.
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Good to see you back JD. Anyway, I'm worried that Villa will lose against Man U and Tottenham, thus f cking Christmas right up. Both game on telly too. Thing is if we go a goal up early then I spend the rest of the game shitting bricks. I have become an impossible watcher. 2nd half against the shit away last year, I had the telly on mute and walked around the house trying to find things to do to pass the time. I'd nip back into the living-room see they'd have a corner and go straight back out again. Missus nearly made my heart stop though, 'There's good news and bad news.....'. Oh f uck I thought. 'They had a corner, but it was saved'. That was it. I shouldn't have headbutted her though. That was wrong.
you should never headbutt a woman ... there skulls are like concrete (think its all the foundation use over the years)
go for a good kick in the guts . ...... only joking befor e you all get typing in anger ! #-o
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Please. Can we just stop f ucking losing.
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Please. Can we just stop f ucking losing.
What? In this rich vein of form?
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Losing against Tottenham was particularlt galling as they were as poor as we were. When are we going to win again? I'm worried about Charlton now.
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I know i know but we will get more seeking solace amongst us worriers.
Even though I have lived here for 30 years I am still a brummie and i can never see light at the end of the tunnel, its inbred so just accept it. Do you celebrate xmas in islamabed Pete/ decorate the tree, hang the trimmings, turkey and stuffing. Or is ir curry again?
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just got back to work today and my office is 6.4c and i am worried it wont warm up.
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No Robbo it was a full on proper Christmas over here. Islamabad is becoming more 'westernised' as the locals call it (without a hint of irony, or disdain) so there were shops selling Christmas trees/ decorations etc The Pakistan you see on the telly isn't the one I see.
Talking of cuury though, I'm going to do a turkey curry. Mmmmmmmm
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just got back to work today and my office is 6.4c and i am worried it wont warm up.
Health & Safety Regs, brother, if its that cold you can go home.
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Just think yourself lucky your not in Melbourne at the moment. The quicker this test series is over the better, and we,ve still got the one dayers to come, i could scream. When are you next back in Brum? I have promised rellies the prodigal will return this coming year, only for a look see though as i will miss paradise too much.
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Too true Robbo, I'd hate to be in Melbourne right now. Well, actually, I think I might be able to do my bit for the cause and spend a day or two there. think of the alternative..bloody Aussies serving your pint in a pub in blighty.
looks like I'll be in Brum at the end of Jan. 27th ish, for a couple of weeks. I'll be able to go to only one game by my reckoning, West Ham at home, on the 3rd Feb.
It is funny that even being away from here for a couple of weeks gets me yearning for the place. Still prefer Melbourne over Islamabad mind.
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I'm not sure which Villa shirt to wear tomorrow. I'm obviously doing something differently, or wrongly, in the build up to these games. I'm going to go back to basics tomorrow. Where the new shirt, have my shower first- not shirt on, an hour so later shirt off, and back on. It has to be top of the pile and badge showing. Badge ALWAYS showing. What else can I do?
I'm sorry all. But our poorf form is down to my slovenliness which started by falling asleep before the Sheff U game. I will endeavour to put the Gods of Superstition at bay, and get us 3 points tomorrow.
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I was thinking the same. I have recorded the last two games but think I should watch this one live even though i may need a couple of matchsticks. I may just work.
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Thw two of us working in tandem robbo and it'll be a winner. All we need is JD. Where's he been?
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Thw two of us working in tandem robbo and it'll be a winner. All we need is JD. Where's he been?
If i remember correctly he is treking across the great NewZealand wilderness I think it's called Wellington.
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What's happening? Why is it all so depressing? I'm worried :-s
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Back from Portugal. After enduring those games on dodgy TV feeds, I'm terrified!!
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Be terrified no more. Today, we're going for an early kick-off against a team we should beat. Why all of a sudden does this season remind me of the mid 80's. Now, I'm bricking it.
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Well i bring good cheer. got another shot of my golf handicap today then I won the meat tray in the raffle, guess whats going to be third?
There may be a few frightened Villa players playing for their places today seeing as we seem to be buying every availeable player in the premiership and championship.
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279? You've gotta be kiddin'. Jesus H Christ. Its not like this on Villa Talk I'll bet.
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Get worrying. Again.
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I'm more worried than before. If Martin can erase 3 months from our memories what next? We're going to be in last March soon and The Clown and Doug will still be in charge. (shudders)
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That's not worrying. It's frightening.
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So, did we really meet then, or has that not happened now?
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Did you buy a complete stranger off the internet a pint? If so, then yes we did.
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Did you agree to meet a stranger of the internet, and have a drink with him? Not too sure now...
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Were you wearing a skirt?
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No, I was the one in the Villa shirt.
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You stood out by a mile.
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Oh dear, seems we have lost out 2007 Golden Muppet status. Does this mean that Villa can replay the games they have lost since the beginning of the year. :-
Yes, we are still in the FA Cup. \:D/ \:D/
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fantasy league predictions anyone ?/
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We've gone back to the Ashes tests, Can I worry about our games from January onwards when already knowing the results.
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I know that Petrov would like to forget about the last three months , but this is ridiculous
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Does this mean I can have a 3 month refund on my Muppet donation?
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Does this mean I can have a 3 month refund on my Muppet donation?
What donation ? :lol:
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Martin's back!!!!
This is like that episode of Blake's 7 when Blake returned. Welcome back founding Worry Father. Your presence enlighten us and gladdens our hearts.
All hail the Worry Thread. All hail Our Father Which Art in Cyberland. Hallowed be thy name (not with Ian B though). Thy kingdom crashed but thy worrying will be done. In the real world as it is in cyberland. Give us this day, our daily worry. And forgive us our topic passes, as we forgive those who use this thread against us. Lead us not into non-worry temptation but deliver us from believing everything is hunky-dorey.
(Bow's and exits stage left).
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Martin's back!!!!
This is like that episode of Blake's 7 when Blake returned. Welcome back founding Worry Father. Your presence enlighten us and gladdens our hearts.
All hail the Worry Thread. All hail Our Father Which Art in Cyberland. Hallowed be thy name (not with Ian B though). Thy kingdom crashed but thy worrying will be done. In the real world as it is in cyberland. Give us this day, our daily worry. And forgive us our topic passes, as we forgive those who use this thread against us. Lead us not into non-worry temptation but deliver us from believing everything is hunky-dorey.
(Bow's and exits stage left).
Superb Peter. You obviously have a lot of time on your hands. :-
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8-[ =D>
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So your not becoming a Muslim then.
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Dear God no.
Even though the missus - a muslim- wants a Muslim ceremony when we tie the knot. Its a quandary as it makes me a Muslim in the eyes of God en ting, but flies in the face of what I believe in.
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Are you going to comply with her wishes, put your foot down or come to a compromise?
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Ain't that the truth.
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And they can remeber it for any amount of time to reuse in an argument maybe 15 or 20 years later.
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i ended up married because of a drunken slip of the tongue, to this day i maintain i asked her to carry me............
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"You're not listening to me are you?"
Yes babe, of course I am! :^o
It's taken me nearly 25 years of married life to crack this. When the good Mrs N is going on about trivia like the mortgage is unpaid, no food on the table, I think your son's on drugs whilst I'm deep in thought on things that matter, 4-4-2 or 4-4-3, Gabby or Luke etc. I find "Absolutely" covers most things said that demand a response without dropping me in it.
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"You're not listening to me are you?"
Yes babe, of course I am! :^o
It's taken me nearly 25 years of married life to crack this. When the good Mrs N is going on about trivia like the mortgage is unpaid, no food on the table, I think your son's on drugs whilst I'm deep in thought on things that matter, 4-4-2 or 4-4-3, Gabby or Luke etc. I find "Absolutely" covers most things said that demand a response without dropping me in it.
I'll have to remember that one.
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'You don't love me like you used to'....Eh? What sort of mad bitch question is that? Usually a cuddle suffices but you know it will rear its ugly head again until I get married.
'You love Villa more than me' - well I don't, but they can get me more angry than she can. So, she just only sees the bad side.
'Are we going stale'? - we only got engaged at the start of the month! Again, its Womanese for when are getting married?
'I love my cat' - I want a baby.
'I love you' - will you make the bed?make a cup of tea? make breakfast? Drive to (fill the blank), feed the cat, hang up the pictures, put the batteries in the remote, go shopping, do the washing, make sure the washing machine is fixed, get a cat flap, don't stay in the club too long because we're going out tonight, don't drink too much when we're out because I want a drink and you'll have to drive, put the heating/air conditioning on I'm tired, sratch my back, put your arms around me, don't put your arms around me because I can't fall asleep, why didn't you put your arms around me...
'Its Saturday you can watch what you want today' - you have a 5 minute window where I may not want to watch a film, Eastenders, or a programme about people getting their gardens done.
'I'm getting my hair done' - I need attention and plenty of it.
'Have you got any money' - Give me your bank card.
'I want sex'- I've thought of a million shitty things that I want you to do.
Ahh. Women.
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No, its the local club for Brits only. There's a nightclub at the Marriott. Plenty of 'underground' places that the locals go to. There are more drinking places in Lahore and Karachi.
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We do get a bit like that...
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Just like in the old days.
"Back to barracks lads, for local mistresses and lashings of gin and tonic"
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And the food out here isn't a patch on curries back home.
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Much preferred the curries in Goa to the slop served over here.
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Goan curries are very much the same as many curries in the Uk as they use coconut milk/cream. That goes for most of South India - where most of the decent curries come from.
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I had a cracking chicken shislick/shislack which blew my head off. Beautiful. It was actually green in colour and so flavoured with spices it was delicious.
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I had a cracking chicken shislick/shislack which blew my head off. Beautiful. It was actually green in colour and so flavoured with spices it was delicious.
Don't let Chico Hamilton make you one.
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Pakistani food isn't that hot spice wise. My favourite is a Chicken Ceylon back in he UK. Where's The Mango Tree?
Oh, still worried about the Villa by the way.
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Is the Mango Tree on the A5 near Brownhills?
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No, its the local club for Brits only. There's a nightclub at the Marriott. Plenty of 'underground' places that the locals go to. There are more drinking places in Lahore and Karachi.
PETER do you think you are doing enough to reach out to the "local" community to include them in your brits only club ? :-
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Shaddap
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Yeah leave him alone they are allowed in who do you think cleans the floor and serves the drinks?
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PeterW?
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Not in my new skirt I don't. Jeez, some people.
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Have to agree Ian. It's very rare our refereeing colleague says anything that makes me titter but that cracked me up.
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He's just been told the next posting is to Iran.
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Tehran is supposed to be a decent place. In all likelihood if I leave here it'll probably be Lagos next.
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Ah Lagos the Nigerian scammers paradise, hold on to your wallet Pete and everything else you are fond of.
Has the season ended it seems like it, what a bloody awful mixed up season it's been, has any other club been gameless for as long as us?
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I thnik Fulham have also been blightes with a lack of games. But this really has a quasi-pre season feel to it. Two games in about two months, then 4 in the space of 3 days. or something. The thing is I think this will work in our favour. We'll be playing with better players against teams who will be as tired, and stretched as us. I think we will click the more we play in a shorter space of time, and expect us to finish the season well.
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For someone shit scared of flying Mr B I'll take it your saying that under 'duress' about Tehran.
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Tehran is supposed to be a decent place. In all likelihood if I leave here it'll probably be Lagos next.
Nice place Lagos. You can murder someone and pay the police £20 to look the other way.
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IanB, if it's not too traumatic, what happened on that flight?
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They forgot to chill the lager.
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Was it the worst turbulence that you've ever experienced that made even the cabin crew cry and beg for their lives? Was everyone on their phones calling up loved ones saying that they did truly love them and sorry the argument this morning? Was it really just a little bumpy and the crew were laughing at the big pissed man?
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No inflight meal?
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Tehran is supposed to be a decent place. In all likelihood if I leave here it'll probably be Lagos next.
Nice place Lagos. You can murder someone and pay the police £20 to look the other way.
Wouldn't it be better to do that the other way round?
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Were you taken up the Gary Glitter by an amorous flight attendant?
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Tehran is supposed to be a decent place. In all likelihood if I leave here it'll probably be Lagos next.
Nice place Lagos. You can murder someone and pay the police £20 to look the other way.
Wouldn't it be better to do that the other way round?
Well, I expected to get away with it. 8-[
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That would freak me out, too, and I fly regularly!
I think Jon Crofts has a similar tale to tell, if memory serves me correctly.
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It ruined me flying-wise. I've tried hypnotism and taking tablets since, but I'm still a nervous wreck. I really do get to the point where I feel I HAVE to make the plane land, and land that instant, and it's all I can do to sit there. It's just not worth it for me at the moment. It's actually very frightening when you have that realisation that you could actually go berserk on the plane.
What happened? Maybe nothing / a small thing to some, but an engine blew, the plane dropped like a stone, I fell over and hit the door, which I thought I was going through, and we continued to plummet for what seemed like hours, more likely two minutes. I had my daughter with me who was 18 months at the time, and I was convinced that our number was up. Very traumatic, and writing that brought it back.
Big girl's blouse.
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Check out www.airdisaster.com
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Check out www.airdisaster.com
There is no way on earth I am clicking on that, I am terrified of flying and I have never been on a dodgy flight, my six month old daughter flies for the first time next week and I dont know who is going to be the most scared.
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Amidst the photos and videos, it actually promotes 'safer flying'.
Try this then:
http://www.airdisaster.com/fearofflying/
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Yeah but I have no control at all over how safely the pilot is flying, I just normally get banjoed and board the plane but I cant do that now.
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Yeah but I have no control at all over how safely the pilot is flying, I just normally get banjoed and board the plane but I cant do that now.
Why not? I do!
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Thanks IanB, you've reminded me of a nasty flight I had home a couple of days ago. Lots of turbulence and even the cabin crew looked concerned.
Never mind, I don't have to fly again until Monday morning. #-o 8-[
anyway, hello everyone, it's good to be back with my worries. Everytime I have tried to log in over the past week the site has been down and I have had to be worried by myself. ](*,) [-(
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Ah, JD, Thought you and Robbo had become part-time worriers. Welcome back ol' son.
Ian, I'm kind of the same with needles. Real phobia. But I have my own relaxation techniques that help.
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Wouldn't you get arrested?
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Wouldn't you get arrested?
That's the really frightening thought - you don't care. I nowadays can totally understand why some people have just 'lost it' on a plane. Scary.
Pete - needles don't bother me one iota, they used to, until I had a heart problem at 21, then they took blood 3-4 times a day for 3 weeks and that cured me. Maybe the same would apply to flying? Should I hang around Elmdon all week?
Just don't go anywhere near the cockpit when I'm on a plane. :smt002
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Blimey IanB, that certainly explains your fear.
I've never experienced anything like that, but am still greatly afeared of flying. I know exactly what you mean about the feeling of panic. Mine's at it's worst when the plane begins to taxi, I have to force myself to stay seated. I worry I'll lose the battle one day, and will cause a full blown incident.
When the plane's in the air I'm keeping it there by sheer force of will, and am expecting an explosion each and every second. It's very tiring!
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Deary me it all sounds very worrying....altho....I quite like a guy with aggressive tendencies...allegedly :-
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I feel for you IanB, it must be awful. Although I am not keen on flying I haven't got a phobia. My old Boss was terrible and used to panic on flights. He used to sit the whole time gripping the armrest and looking like he was going to be sick. It got so bad, that I used to book separate flights (make up early morning meetings) so I wouldn't have to travel with him. 8-[
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IanB - I defy anyone not to be changed through an incident like that. I just can't imagine what state it would have left me in.
I've known people to have a very bad fear of flying who have listened to Paul McKenna's CD about conquering a fear of flying. He doesn't do what you would expect - he actually talks about everything that can go wrong. All this and these people I've known with a bad fear have been cured. Might be worth trying.
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Ian, I suppose I'd be different if I had to have those things in me 3or 4 times a day. ( I can't talk about them). Had 10 operations, or 11, so you'd think I'd have beaten the fear. But no. Its just got worse.
As for the flying the funniest was when I was a trolley dolly, and somebody quit due to feqar of flying. Wasn't a bad incident, just took off, bloke hadn't flown before, and realised he was shit scared. Hilarious. I've never been in an incident so cannot say how I'd react. But as cabin crew you are trained for dealing with all emergencies so I'd be surprised if the crew were shitting themselves outwardly. You wouldn't show the passengers how you were really feeling.
Also, you have to remember its not flying you're scared of, its dying. Its a tiny thing but if you can get your head around that, then its a start in the whole process of realising the thing your scared of isn't the plane, isn't the journey, isn't being in the air, but the fear of dying .
Moving on to football.....
I hate Monday night games. Especially ones where we've seen the kind of results like we did yesterday. I'm champing at the bit for Villa to play. The sooner we get points and pull away from the bottom 3 the better. Not got going to be easy, but at least our games will be coming thick and fast now. Which, I hope, will work in our favour.
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Let's hope so Peter. I will start getting very worried if we lose tomorrow. I think this game is crucial as a win will lift us nearly to safety, but a loss will put us in the mire.
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And I have the old quandary of staying up tonight or not. 2 years here ans still not seen us win a match that kicks off after 3pm.
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Go to bed. Now. Log back on in 12 hours time.
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What has happened with Ian is that he has lost his bottle.
Bottle's gone I'm afraid.
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Thing is now your clocks have gone forward the time difference is only 4 hours. So, with the k/o being at 11.45 or midnight (what is the k/o time?) I won't be able to go to bed, or sleep, knowing we're playing. And on the telly.
We've got to win one.....surely...or you can call me fuckingjonah again
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Desperate for a win tonight.
On the flying issue I used to be scared but regular flying cured it although I don't know how I would have reacted in the situation a friend was in the other year.
He took a flight from Manchester to Florida. They had taken off and just got over the Irish Sea when the captain advised they were turning round and going back to Manchester as there was a problem with the wing.
Some hours later they were called to board the same plane that had now been fixed.
Now would I have got back on it? I am not sure.
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Why wouldn't you? If it was a serious problem they would have grounded the plane. It was something as simple as one of the flaps was being illuminated on the main computer dashboard, and they light wouldn't go off. Or, there may have been ice on the wing that is easily dealt with. Planes are grounded at the slightest thing to make sure that there isn't a problem in the air.
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Thing is now your clocks have gone forward the time difference is only 4 hours. So, with the k/o being at 11.45 or midnight (what is the k/o time?) I won't be able to go to bed, or sleep, knowing we're playing. And on the telly.
We've got to win one.....surely...or you can call me fuckingjonah again
8pm
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I have been lost in the ether for three days, my usual saved H&V didn't work and I have just walked out of the wilderness. Now can someone tell me how to get on to the what I heard what I saw page. Bloody technology, never had this problem with a lead pencil, if it broke you got out a sharp knife and away you go. Don't call me and JD part timers cheeky git we covered for you on more than one occassion when you decided to globe trot without notice. How will I get to sleep tonight nowing that the game starts at 5am over here and she indoors going ballistic if I set the alarm. By all measures we should be safe but we have been playing so crap of late that a loss tonight would not suprise. I am soooooo worried, wheres the valium?
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What I saw/heard:
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewforum.php?f=12
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Bloody hell. Robbo and JD in the same week. There's a first....good to see you've kept the worrying going during your little sabbatical. By the way, how dare someone set up a rival 'worry' thread? Amateur.
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Well I managed to actually watch the game this morning. My worries started to disappear a bit in the second half, although I am still very worried that we don't convert enough of our chances. What has Luke done, to not get a chance? ](*,)
Anyway, welcome back Robbo. You've probably had the same issue as me, with the site being out of service every night (or day over here).
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If I donate a substantial sum to this site will you send this topic to OT where it belongs?
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Go away BE and annoy someone else (I can see you are trying to). [-X Don't start on us nightstalkers. =;
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Money or OT ramblings on Heroes Discussion, I know which I would take...
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Well I woke at 3am and lay awake for two hours worrying i'd drop off and miss it, as it was I could have saved myself 45 minutes of depression.
Don't worry about B.E he just likes to be noticed. Must be a slow day in frogland, no Germans invading no heads to be chopped off he's just a little bored with life at the moment.
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Don't worry about B.E he just likes to be noticed...
Ha! ha! And you lot don't? Ha! Ha! Ha!
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Go to bed BE and sleep it off, otherwise we will stage an invasion. :-
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You lot could go and do some work instead of of using up the bandwidth with your Timewasters thread. But I wouldn't be as bold as to tell you to go to bed.
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Come on then, "night-shift", were you at the game, Eh? EH?
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I love a good troll, me.
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I wasn't at the game BE, a bit far for me to come. But I did have the bonus of being able to watch the whole game live in my apartment before coming to work this morning.
I can use all the bandwidth I want, I work for the biggest provider in NZ. :smt002
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:-D
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Fuck! It's 4:18 frog time! I must get some kip!
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No, we are genuine introverted worriers who seek solace amongst other
sufferers, i really think you are one of us but are afraid to out yourself, otherwise why keep looking in, unless of course you have voyeuristic tendencies.
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Probably the latter actually.
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Have a good sleep BE. Good to catch up with you on the 'net.
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I'll take a point. Not just because we were 1 down with under 10 mins to go, but you don't fancy Charlton /West Ham to win 4 games out of the last seven. In the same vain, you don't expect us to lose 7 either. So, in the games remaining, if we can muster 1 victory and 3 draws then we'll have 42 points. more than enough. To be fair if we draw 4 games and lose 3 its hard to see us going down with 39 points - taking our goal difference into account also.
Still haven't seen us win a game kicking off after 3 pm mind...
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Most of them start at 3:01pm thereabouts, you know.
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Neither could ozzjim or I!
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Nor I.
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All hail Martin! All is back to 'normal' and we have him to thank for it.
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Not so. As per the announcements forum I have been experiencing problems for days. Enough about that though, I haven't been able to get onto the site either.
Another post 3 pm kick-off and another game we didn't win. This really is getting stupid. Although, considering we've only won something like 15 games in two years I guess its more of a shite thing than me being a bad charm.
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I was struggling for access yesterday. I had to do some work instead. I was well pissed off.
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How can we worry when we're denied access to worry? Its a BE conspiracy to have us moved. Forgotten. Ignored, if you will.
But we will worry till we are crowned European champions. Then worry that we'll be relegated 5 years later.
This takes practice.
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Some of us will be worrying about the players on the flight home.
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Which flight home?
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After winning the European Cup.
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This is hypothetical worrying. I don't belong on this thread.
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Tut. I know the need for friends is why most of us have drifted into this unreal world where everybody knows your name. Dur-dur-dur. But worrying is real. Its for life. Its what, oh never mind.
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S, lose two games this weekend and we're f ucked. I remember in 86-87 when we got tonked 3-0 at Charlton over Easter. They were nothing special and it was when I finally accepted that there was no hope. The optimism of somehow getting out of it was gone. We would go down. And so it was proven a month or so later. That home game against Wednesday served to put us out of our misery more than anything.
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You want to have shite bread then come to Pakistan. Its either so feckin sweet its like having a cake sandwich, or it goes bloody mouldy after 2 days.
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Clutter: post a summary update on Sunday?
Fish: the tank with the siamese fighters is in the laundry, well away from the 'nerve(ous) centre'.
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Mrs. Legion wants to re-decorate the office at the weekend. THAT'S my biggest worry (of a non-Villa nature)!
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Mrs. Legion wants to re-decorate the office at the weekend. THAT'S my biggest worry (of a non-Villa nature)!
Are you sure she didn't just say the painters are in from Saturday?
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That was last weekend!
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"No, you DON'T understand"
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Well i am a teeny bit worried that as i was without the internet over the weekend and only got the Villa result by way of watching the end of the Spam game at 2.30am Sunday morning i may be doomed to perform the same ritual for the rest of the season.
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One more game before another feckin break. What is it with the fixture compilers? I'm off to have a quiet word with the General.
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I'm worried that Robbo and JD are no longer worried. The night owls aren't around to keep me company. Oh well, back to chess, marmite, and The General
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Ah bless. Thinking 20 odd degrees is hot.
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Weren't the Three Degrees hot?
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Maybe once but not anymore. Something to do with global worning.
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I'm worried about this hot weather - should I mow the bastard lawn this evening, or doss on here whilst nattering to the good lady?
Did mine at the weekend so am now trying to convince the missus that a cheeky couple in the pub before heading home is a good idea.
I cannot face sitting cooped up on a bus in rush hour when it's warm.
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Well its quarter to 12. Watching England trying to mess it up against Bangladesh, in shorts and t-shirt...Another month and we'll be hitting high 30's/40's. Bliss. Played footy last year when it was 50 degrees! The hottest recorded day in Islamabad.
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I'm worried about this hot weather - should I mow the bastard lawn this evening, or doss on here whilst nattering to the good lady?
Ian I'm rather worried that you haven't got somebody who mows the lawn for you, and no I don't mean Kelly.
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Have we been relegated yet or did I miss that 100 pages ago?
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Ah bless him. He probably keeps checking round at your house to see whether you have mowed the lawn and as soon as you have pops up - and I bet you pay him anyway (I know I would).
Managed to get somebody last week to mow ours - thank goodness, neither Jon or I have the time or the inclination ('tis old age I tell ya).
And so you like Kelly to dress up as a housemaid? :smt002
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Ahem, now that would be telling - like I'd confess to that, and a feather duste, oops!
hehehe and I bet you'd be tickled pink. :smt002
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Just realised that I've never posted on this thread so thought, fuck it-why not!
Thats it.
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That's good Leighton, but you must be worried about something...
Sorry for my absence Peter, I'm still working in Auckland and find it difficult to find time to get on the net. I'm still worried about lots of different things. Biggest thing is that big storms are expected over NZ tomorrow and I am flying home (and its Friday 13th). 8-[
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Storms? What are they again? On a -sadly- football related thing. Is it a 3 o'clock k/o on Saturday? Oh, and Ian if your 4 eyes can see it the game is on Canal+ mix. No idea what that is, maybe BE can enlighten you.
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This post still comes back doesn't it!
Back on topic are we still worried?
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Im worried that everyone will have fallen out by the end of the weekend and will be pm'ing insults to each other. :smt021 :smt084 :smt075
Heroes and villains on the net .... nope its a bloody playground. [-X
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Now who would do something juvenile like that?
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Im worried that everyone will have fallen out by the end of the weekend and will be pm'ing insults to each other. :smt021 :smt084 :smt075
Heroes and villains on the net .... nope its a bloody playground. [-X
Do you want some?
It may be on Ian. Its just that its unlikely you'll find anyway that's tuned into it.
worried? I'm a Villa fan. I'm permaworried.
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Old age.
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Stop taking so many drugs Ian. [-X
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We are struggling for water. no rain to speak of for twelve months, lawns are dead and may have to introduce even harder restictions which means fewer showers and baths. Mind you it wouldn't bother Poms would it?
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If we lose today we could be back to only 5 points above te relegation zone. Sobering thought. Need to win today.
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What shall we worry about today. I suppose we should worry about who our front two should be against Portsmouth? Who do you drop if you bring back Carew? Is Luke worth a start? It's all too much for me.... #-o 8-[
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I'm worried that a certain Kate has been dumped and i'm too old to be considered a chance, life is so unfair just when you've got it all figured out your past the use by date. Oh and even a perenial worrier like me considers us safe now but I'm starting on worry on a new theme now it's to do with expectations and disappointment, not fully clear how worrying this will turn out to be but I will keep you informed of its progress.
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I'm worried that we are going to have to change our perspective and worry about mediocrity passing and burning hope and optimism becoming a bludgening sledgehammer that will crack the skull of winning. Already we all think we'll be top6 next season. What if we're not.
On a side issue....I'm worried that our American Uberfhurer's are making us DisneyWorld Aston Villa. 'Crests' with AVFC on them? I'll bet the Holte Hotel will be constructed with plastic and made to look like a castle. graham poll will be dressed as Hercules and placed outside the entrance to The Ohio Trinity Stand to meet and greet. I'll wager that Dick Van Dyke will be the new Dave Ismay and will be the pitchside PA. 'Elllo Mar'in, owww yow thinnnk Veela will do t'day'?
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I'm worried that you forgot to tell us it was your birthday Ian.
Hope you had a great weekend away and HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
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Stop taking so many drugs Ian. [-X
I wish - these are medicinal one's.
Hope it's nothing serious Ian and that your medical treatment is short term.
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I'm only worried that Ian isn't well today. Hope you have recovered Ian (by the sounds of your Birthday weekend you have).
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Oops. Happy birthday mardy arse.
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Didn't ask for your life story, you girl.
Now get back to some proper Villa worrying.
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I am worried that our recent run of good form might lure us into believing we are better than we are ahead of next season. Major changes still need to happen.
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There you go.
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Thank you dumpy! I'm ok, more of a long-term solution to a hopefully short-term problem. My BP is through the roof.
Sounds like a course of beater blockers.
I'm worried that the England cricket team are going out.
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I remember Neal Foulds got done for taking them years ago
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The nooker player? I have a vague recollection of that. Quite how these damned things would help anyone hold a cue, let alone play nooker, is beyond me! Doctor says it's the way I handle stress (from the business), i.e. I don't handle it at all well.
I think it was because high blood pressure gave him a heavy pulse which made his cue hand twitch slightly.
They also give you the droop.
Apparently
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Thank you dumpy! I'm ok, more of a long-term solution to a hopefully short-term problem. My BP is through the roof.
Sounds like a course of beater blockers.
I'm worried that the England cricket team are going out.
You got it. Anyone else tried these horrible things? I've spent all weekend working out when to take them, to minimise the spaced out feeling. Feel shitty about it, to be honest, at my age, and with the wedding coming up.
My fathers been on them for over 10 years. I hope that you didn't find out that you needed them the same way he did.
He started having shooting pains down his left arm one day and thought he was having a heart attack. I was playing football not far away and had my mother run onto the pitch during the match to tell me that he was having a heart attack. The football match didn't even occur to me and we just sprinted back to their house.
Fortunately, it just turned out to be a panic attack. Got back about 6 hours later (NHS stuck him on a trolley for about 3 hours) where my mates were still waiting for me, even though they didn't have a clue what was going on (probably saw the ambulance drive past).
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Yeah, you could say that. To the point where I remember it vividly, the emotions, the adrenaline and ultimately, the relief.
You did well to mention it to your doctor. As we can testify to, it can get quite nasty if you think that it's no big deal, just one of those things.
I'll be taking my heart rate up to 174 tomorrow, though it will be deliberate as I'll be doing CV at the gym.
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I have stupidly high blood pressure, Ian. The doctor told me to take a quarter of an aspirin every day - it thins the blood.
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I didn't believe it at first, I thought he wanted to put me on a placebo but was too mean to give me a whole one
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Apparently, taking aspirin regularly massively reduces the risk of having a stroke. Probably for the same blood thinning reasons.
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I have stupidly high blood pressure, Ian. The doctor told me to take a quarter of an aspirin every day - it thins the blood.
I know, sadly the last time I took an aspirin I had an anaphylactic shock! Kind of rules that out, I'm now allergic to all salicylates. ](*,)
You really are a big tart. I have never known a more allergic to everything fella in my life.
To quote NYC Villla = You big faggy gayboy
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I sympathise Ian but i have good news and bad news. The bad news is you will probably be on medication forever. The good news is that I know dozens of people taking them and once you get the dosage soughted out everything is fine. You may find that one blocker suits you better than another, it's just trial and error.
Strange but I don't know any women on them.
The doc wanted me on them when mine was 160 but I said i'd excersize more. Just shows what following the Villa can do to you.
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Ian, your blood pressure will go down when we qualify for the Champions League in the next couple of years (hopefully). [-o<
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Christ, is this Emergency Ward 10 or something? If you have got high blood pressure and shreek like a girl when you take anadin, asprin, or whatever why don't you speak to Damon green? He can get in touch with Nick Robinson and you can both get smacked up out of your tits together.
As for Villa. Does anyone else think that the Yanks in general do not have a good history of being 'traditionalists'? I'm expecting the Holte hotel to look like something from disneyworld.
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Maybe when you go for a drink at the Holte Hotel you will get welcomed and served by people dressed as Lions.
I would prefer it if they got waitresses/bar staff like at Hooters though. :-
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Go for a drink at the Holte Hotel? Don't be silly. You simply cannot beat The Ruskin Hall.
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You really are a big tart. I have never known a more allergic to everything fella in my life.
To quote NYC Villla = You big faggy gayboy
Ignore him Ian, I'm allergic to half the bloody planet as well, I either pump myself full of antihistamines every day or have to wear a gas mask.
Aspirin sets off my asthma!
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I'm worried that we've seen the last of Ruski Red or whatever his name was. He probably set some sort of record with 119 posts in his first 24 hours.
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Why be worried? He's long gone. B.E. is far more prolific!
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Tsk! We've had one get 4000 in under an hour before.
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Tsk! We've had one get 4000 in under an hour before.
The Mystic Raven phenomena?
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Yeah, whatever happened to him?
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She re-appeared a month or so back, then almost as quickly vanished again.
I'm sure "she" only appears when Mac gets bored typing as himself. 8-[
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Yeah right, 4000 in under an hour.
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Do you question my word OCD?
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Having not witnessed it for myself, it does sound like a bit of an exaggeration. 4000 in an hour would be 66 posts a minute, so unless its just someone hitting one key and pressing submit then I don't see it.
Not to cast any dispersions on your good name BE.
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Well, I sort of cheated OCD, they were 'mysteriously' added to the post count by database manipulation so it took all of ten seconds to do.
Still 4000 in under an hour though. I'll get my...
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I bet there's one or two on here that would like to have 4000 posts added to their tally.
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There are some that were gutted when the database blew up recently and lost all this year's count.
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Sounds like a competition...how many posts can be made in an hour.
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Let's find out. :smt002
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Don't! You'll have Evalast posting 'Hmm!' everywhere.
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Two.
I'll stop now!
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There's a 14 second delay on flooding I believe.
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There would have to be some kind of rules to it. For instance, each post has to be an intelligent paragraph with a minimum of 30 words.
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It's not too bad in here actually, my last visit saw me shouted out of the thread.
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We might have to drop the word 'intelligent' though.
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It's not too bad in here actually, my last visit saw me shouted out of the thread.
It must have been the Pakistanis, the Convicts and the Kiwis. We've taken their turf. I feel like urinating in a corner somewhere.
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By intelligent, I mean it has to make sense i.e. not a three letter word like 'the' copied and pasted 30 times on each post.
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Each paragraph would have to be different.
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By intelligent, I mean it has to make sense i.e. not a three letter word like 'the' copied and pasted 30 times on each post.
Yes, in that sense too.
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It's not too bad in here actually, my last visit saw me shouted out of the thread.
It must have been the Pakistanis, the Convicts and the Kiwis. We've taken their turf. I feel like urinating in a corner somewhere.
It was actually! Us northern hemisphereians are taking over.
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They'll be waking up in an hour or two. To find we've been in, stolen their stash of porn and smeared excrement on the walls.
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They'll be waking up in an hour or two. To find we've been in, stolen their stash of porn and smeared excrement on the walls.
I hear they may be into that. :smt002
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peter w certainly, from what he has told us.
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Happy that you lot are enjoying our playground but please don't hog the swings.
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I am worried that the last few pages didn't include any worrying.
I am worried I won't have anything to worry about if this reluctance to worry continues.
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Keep thinking like that and you could become a fully fledged member.
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Hope you've run for cover BE. We've still not forgiven the French for the Rainbow Warrior. [-X :-
We will declare Utu on the lot of you, if you soil our thread again.
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Shit we've had burglars. Bloody hell Legion I told you to lock up if we were going out or to bed. Christ, this will take us ages to put back together now. Stinks of garlic in here.
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Oh for fu cks sake. Someones had a shit in the corner. Did somebody bloody well invite that milosevic9 back in?
Really stinks of garlic.
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Shit we've had burglars. Bloody hell Legion I told you to lock up if we were going out or to bed. Christ, this will take us ages to put back together now. Stinks of garlic in here.
They caught me out. Crafty buggers. Waited until I fell asleep and then took full advantage of the opportunity to hijack the thread.
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Hope you've run for cover BE. We've still not forgiven the French for the Rainbow Warrior. [-X :-
We will declare Utu on the lot of you, if you soil our thread again.
Ah yes the Rainbow Warrior JD can the Frogs get anything right it's a bit like the Maginot line, will never be penetrated they said, I think it took just over half an hour. I know why B.E lives there though, so he can feel superior, with justification.
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They didn't even do any worrying once they broke in. What is the world coming to? Typical French, rely on them for 5 seconds and they let all and sundry come in.
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Can somebody bring a scrubbing brush and some industrial strength detergent. This place has become very unclean.
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Peter
Do youwant me to wear the maid's outfit as well?
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Bit dangerous ..spraying petrol everywhere Ian?
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Try claret and blue army. he's wearing a skirt. He may be a she, and as you're a blind get you won't know until uou spray the hairs off his legs.
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I'm only a she at the weekends.
Will the jet wash do sack, crack & back?
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Don't i've already got the image of you in a maid's outfit and that;s not nice. no face just hairy legs and fish net stockings.
Now I'm feeling sick and worried.
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You never complained the last time we met... Rememeber me, ...big Tracy...?
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Tracey? Big tits Tracey?? But didn't we...didn't you let me...I put my...ohmygod
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YES HELLO Mr Floppy !!!
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Watch out on your stag night Ian !
Big Tracy may be around !
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Well you've already had about 4 haven't you? Or, as per your wedding blog, have you just turned a bit soft?
I still worry about Villa mind. 4 games to go if we lose our momentum now will we acquire the big name signings we think we may be looking at? Also, 4 games left this season, what would you accept, or expect next season?
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Watch out on your stag night Ian !
Big Tracy may be around !
Luckily, I'm not bothering with one!
Youre joking !! No Stag do !!
Tell you what, organise an online stag do .. pick a date we're all free..start a thread and we'll all get pissed online !!
And i can dress up ..well any excuse !
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I'm not drinking. No excuses next time Tracey.
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Watch out on your stag night Ian !
Big Tracy may be around !
Luckily, I'm not bothering with one!
Youre joking !! No Stag do !!
Tell you what, organise an online stag do .. pick a date we're all free..start a thread and we'll all get pissed online !!
And i can dress up ..well any excuse !
That sounds like a great idea! Organise it! Pete - of course I've gone soft, I've got a 23 year old bird to keep happy!
Well you won't keep her happy if youve gone soft !! ..try the little blue tablets ..available from your doctor..t'internet or my mate Dave.
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I'm not drinking. No excuses next time Tracey.
bugger !
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Must....not....answer.....too......easy
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Must....not....answer.....too......easy
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Must....not....answer.....too......easy
come on you know you want to... i'll grow a beard ..give you something to hang on to ...woof ! ( copyright blackadder)
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Glad to hear it !!
Looking forward to the stag do.. just booked the stripper... well my nan is always free at the weekends.!
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I'll get me mate Dilawar to knock us up a ruby murry what do you fancy ?
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You posh nonce. Lobster curry? Pfft.
I'll lay it on no problem. Is there going to be a worriers corner?
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ooh ooh any cherry B? Or a snowball?
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Can anyone join in?
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Can you serve drinks?
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I'm far too old to be a serving wench.
I can probably drink most of you under the table though.
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Its a stag do mind. Unless she's getting her kit off - a duet with C&B's nan maybe? Pauline?
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No, you wouldn't even want to go there peter.
Ian's right though, I'm partial to a drink or two of anything.
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Bouncy castle?
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He clips one off his legs, will it get to the boundary and bring the 300 up?
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Alas no, saved on the boundary. Only a single taken.
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Goes over the top this time. Worried that it might be caught.....
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I reckon Pauline'd be partial to a voddy or two?
Don't forget me I would love a voddy or four. :smt002
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This thread was far better when Laughing Gravity went ga-ga.
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Hard lines - by my reckoning you've got another half century to get to?
They're here again, blummin' hijackers....
Oh are, a bouncy castle - I'd land in another county!
Aye up, that blonde lady ( :smt002 ) has just resurfaced, is that aonther stripper for the do, or another to booze with, or both?
Tell you what you decide O:) but I know what I would prefer.
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When's all this taking place anyway?
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When's all this taking place anyway?
Yes please tell, I could do with a night out O:)
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IanB can I wear my chick outfit :smt002
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You mean you're not??? Oh FFS. What chance does a bloke get nowadays?
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It's a shame the old Tower Ballroom was knocked down we could of gone there for your stag do Ian... what a classy night out that used to be..
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IanB can I wear my chick outfit :smt002
I'm afraid i am the only one dressing up...! :smt061
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It's a shame the old Tower Ballroom was knocked down we could of gone there for your stag do Ian... what a classy night out that used to be..
Presented with a Festival league trophy at that joint, leading goal scorer or some such crap, A very bouncy dance floor and pants that are two sizes too small for you made it a very difficult walk.
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To refer to the Tower ballroom as a 'joint' is to infer on it some sort of hazy, smoky, cool, legitimacy. When in fact it was a grab a granny hole.
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cantankerous little sod ( to quote another thread )
How very dare you! i met my wife there on a night out she was very young. She didnt look a day over 65. Our wedding was sponsered by sanatogen.
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depends what you mean by very young. if you're on Robbo's level 50 odd is very young.
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I had a job glass collecting & working in the kitchen when i was 17ish at the Tower... I'm not joking its amazing i got out alive ... on one accasion i was nearly raped by a hen party .. trouble is the party was made up of mothers, aunties, grannies... at one point they pinned me up against the wall and was trying to get my trousers off ! I was scared to death... Happy Days !
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I'm afarid i was going to take you to Peppermint Spaniels ( A new club rivalling spearmint rhino) any way as all the dancers are over 65 they were offering a great deal on entry fee's ..however their main dancers have suffered some injuries... Gladys has put her hip out... Nora is having here veins done.. and old Mary is feeling very ill... In fact she is so ill ..she is dead... so its back to the drawing board for the night out...Leave it with me
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I will come on this do. Only just caught up with the thread as I have been forced to work in the last few days.
So, if I have this straight:
Ian is having an internet stag do
Claret & Blue Barmy is turning up dressed as a girl
Pauline is getting pissed
The true blonde, who is a girl, is coming dressed as a girl
And Ian is a big poncey fanny for eating lobster curry
OK, that's the arrangements so far summed up, on we go.
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I will come on this do. Only just caught up with the thread as I have been forced to work in the last few days.
So, if I have this straight:
Ian is having an internet stag do
Claret & Blue Barmy is turning up dressed as a girl
Pauline is getting pissed
The true blonde, who is a girl, is coming dressed as a girl
And Ian is a big poncey fanny for eating lobster curry
OK, that's the arrangements so far summed up, on we go.
what d'ya mean youve been forced to work, who woul do such a think to you, its only the site that get's me through my daily work day.
Anyway i think that just about sums up the stag do so far.
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Ian you eat whatever you want its your stag night!
Even if it is a bit poncey !!
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Empty stomach for me. Nought to uncontrollably pissed
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Well I'll have a kitkat just to give my stomach some lining. then i'll prododuce some girls for a great game. 'jihad date' All girls from Pakistan wearing the full burka. They ask a question on a subject, maybe Islam for example, and they peel off an item of clothing if you get question right. You get the girl with no cloths at the end of the night. It'll be great.
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Is that how your met your partner Peter?
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Good God. nothing so simple.
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did you win her in a raffle ?..lucky dip !
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I see i've missed the three hundred. Again.
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There will be another along in a minute.
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So when arewe having the stag do. if porky 4 eyes is getting hitched on the 26th then we should do it a weekend or two before.
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I think a new thread is in order for the virtual stag-do.
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Okay. Lee get it going. You are the virtual best man.
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Can we get back to worrying here? The stag-do thread will be in Off-Topic.
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I'm worried the Americans are going to drip drip drip fu ck us up the arse but we're still so anti-Ellis we'll accept even things like a name change on the badge because we think its just oh so good, and we don't want to piss them off. Worried? Too fuck ing right.
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I'll never 'accept' AVFC on the badge.
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And if one doesn't accept the name change, is one going to have a 'badge' protest or something?
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No. I'll just have to live with it. As much as I disagree with it.
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Neither will I. We accepted Ellis for far too long simply because we aren't militant enough. Randy et al have breatehd abreath of frsh air through the club and we all are thankful for that. But, some people on the questions thread treat it as if we shouldn't say boo to a goose. This is a huge error, and like lemmings people will follow rather than stick their head over the parapet. Its just plain wrong.
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BE, so your answer to this being so palpably wrong is live with it? I hope that attitud doesn't one day come back to bite you on the arse.
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Yes. Please re-direct your good self to the new thread!
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BE, so your answer to this being so palpably wrong is live with it? I hope that attitud doesn't one day come back to bite you on the arse.
Peter, if he had said the kit is going to be orange and brown, I would have expected the kind of rant you went on. As it is they have changed the badge a bit. You are being a teensy bit melodramatic, if I may be so bold.
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Would someone give me a brief summary of this badge change i somehow missed it.
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Peter was pissed. Said he wanted Aston Villa on the badge. The General intimated that, actually, it might well be AVFC on the badge.
Peter went all 'disgusted from Tunbridge Wells' and thinks we're being turned into a theme park.
We are all lapdogs because we don't stick it up 'em like he does (they don't like it up 'em you know).
He raged about tradition and history (but forgot that we haven't actually had 'Aston Villa' on the badge for half of it).
Oh what the heck, just read pages 149 and 150 of the General K thread.
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I'm worried about peter. I think a coronary condition is on the cards and he's stuck over there where we can't help him.
Lord only knows how worried I'd be if something serious happened that he could get het up about!
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I'm worried that I'm not worried about Peter. I'm worried about BE going on holiday and not having internet access, as his posts make me smile, and sometimes remind me of parts of my education I'd forgotten.
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Thanks for the summation BE, i am not a frequent visitor to the Generals thread as I can take only so much gushing not that I have anything personal against the guy and I am not anti american. Honest, even though i would like to see some local involvement at board level as looking into my crystal ball i can see a new kit that may have a few stars and a stripey look to it. Maybe Pete can see yanks under the bed or something.
Liz is looking for further education on many subjects maybe you should take her with you to broaden her horizons.
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I'm never posting when I'm that pissed again. Although I agree with my sentiments - and BE its not about having our name on the badge or not. If it is going to be there then put the name on, not the initials. I bet the badge will be quite nice now and I'll like it.
My worry is that the board are going reinvent us for others. Such as the American market. in all honesty, why go to the US for a pre-season kickabout? Its all about raising our profile over there. We'll probably be Aston Villa Lions in a few seasons.
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I'm even more worried about peter than I was before.
Not only was he getting close to meltdown but he'd been on the booze and is more likely to become severely depressed as a result.
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I'm worried that Peter won't be able to not post when he's that pissed again. Is there some kind of breathalyser that could stop him using the internet whilst drunk?
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I'll never 'accept' AVFC on the badge.
Rather FC than PLC.
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I'm worried as to why Ian wants to know the colour of the generals badge!
I would be more worried if it was sheriff Krulack!
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Mama take this badge off of me............
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Geez you blokes i'm the other side of the planet, this thread is my life blood, get your fingers out. Worry about something , anything, as long as your worrying, it's what we are good at apart from being a whingeing, moaning, self depricating load of miserable gits. We're brummies it's what we're famous for my miserableness has even infultrated the golf club so i'm doing my bit.
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Sorry Robbo. Work has been a bit hectic at the moment, and will continue like this for the restof the week. I need some worrying assistance.
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I'm worried that people will know that the Sheffield United game is my first Villa game for two years and will laugh and point and call me a gloryhunter.
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Gloryhunter.
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You dirty gloryhu....I can't be arsed.
Is it worse being worried and a shortarse Pete?
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You dirty gloryhu....I can't be arsed.
Is it worse being worried and a shortarse Pete?
Probably better, because he can only be worried about things within a tight radius of him.
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im worried dave cooper may shout
ellis out !
some stange looks coming his way .
old habbits die hard i guess .
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I'm worried that JD has become overly concerned with egg chasing. I'm worried that Robbo is getting more enraged than me onjust about every thread he's on. Not good at his age. I'm worried that people believe Randy was sitting at home with his Villa shirt on one day last year, watching his European Cup Final 1982 DVD thinking, 'Jeez, what could I do with all this cash'?
I'm worried that if we don't win things within the next couple of years that the baclask will begin agin the Yanks who are currently promising everyting from alchemy to Zorro swashbuckling his way to victories.
I'm that I'm off to Dubai foe bout the 6th time in 2 years this friday for a long weekend. Oh, hold on. No, not worried by that.
Who we got Saturday by the way? Man City?
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Support your local team!
They got relegated last night.
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Got a BP check tonight - I'm worried it won't have gone down.
Well its not going to if you're worried. Why don't you just go insane? Then you can live in your own happy world being happy looking at your fingers as if you've just discovered alien life.
Alternatively, just get a grip you big ponce.
As for Tamworth..oh boo feckin hoo...As long as Cambridge, Stafford Rangers, Halifax, Crawley stay up I'll be content.
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They got relegated last night.
Squeaky bum time for the the Alty boys on Saturday Dave!!! Surely one of the teams on 52 points will lose!! Then again Alty need to win.
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Pleased to hear it.
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Yeah, pleased to hear it Ian. Told you it would/should 'settle down'.
Just don't look at your virtual stag do thing in Off Topic or it'll go soaring again. :smt002
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Squeaky bum time for the the Alty boys on Saturday Dave!!! Surely one of the teams on 52 points will lose!! Then again Alty need to win.
No disrespect and all that but I really hope Alty drop with us.
They stick the away fans in an open terrace with disgusting Portacabins for bogs right next to the one shitty little burger van (nice!).
Some of their fans are the most obnoxious, chavvy little twats i have ever had the misfortune to ignore.
There's not a decent pub within two miles of the ground.
On second thoughts, maybe they should stay up and then I won't have to visit the fucking place next season.
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Maybe you could even get to Villa Dave instead of away days at Solihull, Bromsgrove, and Redditch for for fun,
Bloody hell Ian I thought you were talking pounds with what you have dropped from and to..that would have been a good effort.
How do I manage? Unleash my pseudo angst ina cyber world where everone knows your name, and fe ck all else. Its good fun.
Anyway, back to worrying about Villa. I'm worried that we don't put Man City away this weekend. I don't want the season to end in a damp squib. t could affect the players we get in the summer. A strong to half finish is a must.
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I'm worried that if Ianb has high blood pressure before he gets married how high is it going to get after he's married. All us marrieds know that once the deed is done the pain begins, why won't they listen. Typing quietly as the enforcer is hovering just outside the door.
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Are you supposed to painting that wall, or replacing tiles in the bathroom Robbo?
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Avoiding such mundane tasks takes experience and cunning. This is a lesson for you young man, the first time she asks you to do something you hate doing make a complete balls up of it. If it's ironing burn it if it's painting get more on the floor than you do on the wall if she sends you grocery shopping get the most expensive brands you can find. the one major lesson I learned though is never give up a match day, give it up once and she will take that as an invitation to moan and whinge every Saturday. The attractive alternitive is don't get married in the first place.
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Today I'm worried about the thought of taking out a big mortgage on a new house... and worried about leaving a 'perm' job to go back to contracting...
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I'm 37 and have 3 young lads ... we have outgrown our semi and have just bought (sstc) a 4 bed place .. massive garden ... huge conservatory... but.. doubling my mortgage ... i suppose i could extend the loan term but do not want a mortgage in 10 years time...
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robbo... So you sit near me do you? noticed your comments on the st. thread
do you look like an older fatter version of andy gray ?
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I doubt it! He lives in Melbourne.
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*doh* dont know why i thought it was him .. brian green isnt even close ...
sowwry Robbo
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I'm 37 and have 3 young lads ... we have outgrown our semi and have just bought (sstc) a 4 bed place .. massive garden ... huge conservatory... but.. doubling my mortgage ... i suppose i could extend the loan term but do not want a mortgage in 10 years time...
We did it for same reasons as you Barmy. Our philosophy was we will go without and get by and things will get better. And they did and if they hadn't, well we could always sell and move down market.
At the time my wife did the worrying for both of us, so I probably shouldn't be on this thread.
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I'm 37 and have 3 young lads ... we have outgrown our semi and have just bought (sstc) a 4 bed place .. massive garden ... huge conservatory... but.. doubling my mortgage ... i suppose i could extend the loan term but do not want a mortgage in 10 years time...
We did it for same reasons as you Barmy. Our philosophy was we will go without and get by and things will get better. And they did and if they hadn't, well we could always sell and move down market.
At the time my wife did the worrying for both of us, so I probably shouldn't be on this thread.
yeah the good thing is weve got a hell of a lot of equity in the new place plus with a few improvements we have been advised that we'll instantly turn a decent profit if we choose to sell up. Had a few quotes tonight and I'm not going to as streched as we first thought...we'll just do without a few luxuries..ie food..clothes... !! :-)
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I'm 37 and have 3 young lads ... we have outgrown our semi and have just bought (sstc) a 4 bed place .. massive garden ... huge conservatory... but.. doubling my mortgage ... i suppose i could extend the loan term but do not want a mortgage in 10 years time...
We did it for same reasons as you Barmy. Our philosophy was we will go without and get by and things will get better. And they did and if they hadn't, well we could always sell and move down market.
At the time my wife did the worrying for both of us, so I probably shouldn't be on this thread.
yeah the good thing is weve got a hell of a lot of equity in the new place plus with a few improvements we have been advised that we'll instantly turn a decent profit if we choose to sell up. Had a few quotes tonight and I'm not going to as streched as we first thought...we'll just do without a few luxuries..ie food..clothes... !! :-)
There you go, nothing to worry about as far as the mortgage goes. Now, about the job...
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I'm 37 and have 3 young lads ... we have outgrown our semi and have just bought (sstc) a 4 bed place .. massive garden ... huge conservatory... but.. doubling my mortgage ... i suppose i could extend the loan term but do not want a mortgage in 10 years time...
We did it for same reasons as you Barmy. Our philosophy was we will go without and get by and things will get better. And they did and if they hadn't, well we could always sell and move down market.
At the time my wife did the worrying for both of us, so I probably shouldn't be on this thread.
Ive spent the last 48 hours REALLY worrying about this one.. currently i travel to Derby every day.. nice easy job .. money is fair but i spend 50 quid a week on fuel and at least 13 hours a week sat in the car... Ive been offered a contract working in ASTON ! better money but .. its a contract... possible perm after 12 months...what to do..hmmm
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That's the trouble with you younger generation you always want more. You want a bigger house, a bigger car, a bigger mortgage, a bigger holiday home, a bigger plasma. Message to Ian B, for a lower blood pressure owe as little money as possible.
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Anyway, back at Villa Park...Has JD got lost again? I'm dreading the end of the season. 2months of trying to fill the void with cricket, and then getting excited at playing FC Excelsior, or someone, then the keen build up to the first game. Fecking football season finished. I think we should have a virtual season in the off season to keep us going. Wouldn't expect us to lose many mind.
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Your wrong thats when the fun begins. Who will we sign, have we paid to much (as though it's our money) there will be rumours and counter rumours, verbal punch ups and of course invigorated worrying as the new season looms. I'm looking forward to it.
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I think it will be tumblweed time, but, I'll bow to your superior, vast, experience.
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Carefull you don't hit your head on the floor when you do.
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Thanks for the advice. Do you want me to see if there's a new hip lying around whilst I'm down here?
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Anyway, back at Villa Park...Has JD got lost again? I'm dreading the end of the season. 2months of trying to fill the void with cricket, and then getting excited at playing FC Excelsior, or someone, then the keen build up to the first game. Fecking football season finished. I think we should have a virtual season in the off season to keep us going. Wouldn't expect us to lose many mind.
I've been working away again Peter. ](*,) Back today, saw my Son's team win 4-1 away from home, good start to their season. Villa will win by the same score tonight.
Been having a torrid time with lots of travelling lately with work, but next week should be the last one for a while. I'm also thinking about leaving my job, after 13 years at the same company. :-k
Still it's good to be back.
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Never mind Villa Park! We've got some serious stuff here, proper worrying things, like houses, jobs and brum-brum pap-paps!
I want to live in France.
Why? It's full of French people and English people like BE. 8-[ :-
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Correction, it's full of French people, English people creating insular communities in rural areas, and me.
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Correction, it's full of French people, English people creating insular communities in rural areas, and me.
Insular community? is that a new termanology for ghetto? i can just imagine all the poms complaining about the lack of fish and chip shops and how non of the natives speak english.I bet you don't get many French desiring to live in Aston. Is this invasion by stealth?
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You lot should be a bloody ashamed of yourself. Page 2? Page bloody 2? So, nothing to worry abou, eh? What if we replace Sorensen and Boruc, if it is to be he? Is A Dave Beasant at Chelsea ? Then we're bollocksed. What if we don't get the players we want in the summer and start the new season with Boruc, Lennon, McCann et al. What if we stall next season? What then? We've done nothing this season and proved that we may move on. Everyone time we get to this position we traditionally mess up. And now the badge will be silly. No doubt. ohhhhhhh woooe.
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You read like an experienced worrier, Peter.
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Yes i'm a tad worried about next season already, supporters are saying we should not expect too much too soon but in the next breath they are talking Europe. We are fickle worriers and proud of it.
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Just read some of the posts concerning the new badge, and the comments are typically Villa, not having seen the badge the whingers are out in force already, i may be a worrier but the style of the new crest is something i refuse to get wound up about. Just give me a good team with a chance to win something and i'll be happy.
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I want it to be horrible I think just to see the sycophantic brigade fending off any criticism in a near frenzy.
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I'm worried that this infighting over that nosense AVFC production will lead to us imploding. We nearly had it all, and the first brick started to crumble. The rest will come tumbling down. How will the owners take this criticism. Either a) Take it on the chin. Admit there may be a mistake and look into what the lessons to be learnt are. Or b) Show their true colours and become an autocracy that decides you're either with us or agin us.
Will we be marked out as trouble makers? Will H&V sellers became person non grata around the grounds? Will they use there CIA contacts to close this place down? Is it VillaTAlk for us all? Shit, NOW I'm worried.
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I'm confident that you and the Chuck are such good buddys that a quiet word in his ear will sort it out.
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I'm worried that we have too much money to spend :- :^o
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I'm worried that people will fret so much about the badge that they will forget that we are playing some decent stuff at the moment. I think we'll tonk Sheff U. No, no, I'm not confident - I'm worrying that it will be a 0-0 and a drab end to our season.
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Shit. With your blood pressure too.
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I'm worried that I quite like the new badge and am therefore weird.
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i am worried about my job interview in the morning !
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I am worried they might want a job a here.
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Shit. With your blood pressure too.
I know, but my tablets are ace, proper space hoppers!
Did you take the blue one or the red one? One of them has you envisioning Alice in Wonderland or something.
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I'm worried that we'll soon have nothing to worry about. The season's over.
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Good luck kidda.
cheers hopefully tomorrow i can get back to worrying about more exciting issues.
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Good one Ian.
I'm worried that I am not that bothered about the badge at the moment (too much going on). 8-[
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Shit. With your blood pressure too.
I know, but my tablets are ace, proper space hoppers!
Did you take the blue one or the red one? One of them has you envisioning Alice in Wonderland or something.
The red one, it must be that one. (http://kay.smiley.free.fr/images/4083.gif)
Don't get them mixed up with the girlfriends or you could end up pregnant.
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Or growing Breasts.....
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It is obvious that the club had already decided that we were going to be re-branded AVFC. They are obviously seeing us as a business venture and will market us as such. They are attempting to sell our soul and become less of a football club and more of corporate prostitute. Have they come here to make us happy and give us what we want? No. have they come here to make money from a club that has never been marketed properly and could be as big as the Liverpools/Arsenals/Chelseas of this world? Absolutely.
The fact that there were 3 Aston Villas in the badge vote is indicative of the fact that they were trying to split that vote and having one AVFC proved that.
So, we are starting to see the Aston Villa that the board want. A brand not a club. Are we happy with that? In 10 years after 2 European Cups, a league title, 3 FA Cups, 3 League Cups are we really going to care?
We are kind of at a crossroads for supporters. What do we really want from Aston Villa. Success at the cost of the Club we know. Or the club we know at the cost of success?
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Its the only way clubs can be successful, if supporters want to follow a club that is run like a family concern then they should look outside of the premiership. All the negative crap written about the re branding is silliness in the extreme, we don't have any shareholding in the club and the owner may pay lip service to the supporters but in the end he will do exactly as he likes, our tribe now has a new chief and he is almighty.
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Isn't that what Doug was criticised for?
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A big part of evolution is evolving.
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I'm worried that I won't be able to cope without Villa until August.
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I'm worried that in our bright shiny future there'll be no place for old moaners.
Two old boys behind me yesterday had me in stitches with their olympic class moaning. They'd come for a good chunter and a packed Villa Park, the 82 team, 3-0 up and playing like Brazil wasn't going to stop them.
I'd like to think they'd always be there ("bloody hell Kaka, there's a 45 yard lob on there, wake up man!") but, frankly, I'm worried.
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Great worrying Hopadaop.
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I'm worried that I went to Villa Park yesterday and could only find one thing to moan at, the bloody rugby scrum around the beer stall at half-time. Trouble is, I couldn't really moan at that because I didn't want a beer.
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Being irritated by change is part of growing older. The older you get the more you want things to stay the same but in reality you are changing as much as the world you inhabit. Growth and change are but two faces of the same coin. We want Villa to challenge for a top four spot. To do that we must grow. Growth demands change.
We can get a bigger stadium, we can buy better players. My worry is that the upheaval of those two objectives will mitigate against the third and final part of the revolution, the growth of the fan base. My age makes me think they were great days when 76,000 of us crammed into Villa Park to watch us get hammered by Man Ure and have our heads split open by a rain of glass beer bottles from the top of the Holte hurled by the loveable mancs. That is what makes the future so wonderful. It is not the past.
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Ah Brian those were the days brings tears to the eyes, what do these young turks know about standing behind the Witton end goal freezing the gnads off watching us being towelled again, and the journeys to grounds not previously seen as we went through the dark days. All they have to worry about is whether the badge needs to be changed and how long is the line for beer, I wonder if they use leg warmers in their comfy seats.
Load of pansy's.
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Oh bloody hell. Someone's woken Grandad again...Seriously I do look back to those olden times and wonder what football supporting and supporters were like. How similar is it to watching football today.
Not just standing/sitting. Quality of players etc but the experience. How many away fans travelled - talking 1950's here. What was the relationship between fans of different clubs like then. How did fans relate to players/manager/board?
Was there any food? Drink? refreshments as a whole. What was the matchday experience like from waking up in the morning. Bacon sarnie, pub, Villa? or was it totally different?
How much did it hurt when we lost? What were the expectations of the crowd? What was the after match experience?
To keep it in a worried perspective. I'm worried that we have lost something from that period, or is it that we are getting it back. The working-classes were mobilised for something to do on a Saturday hence hufge crowds. Now its different. We have to attract a new set of supporters who don't necessarily think we are the biggest and best as we all do.
The way thins are going make this an exciting time to be a Villa fan, So far the board are talking the talk and taking a few steps in walking the talk also.
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I'm worried that I went to Villa Park yesterday and could only find one thing to moan at, the bloody rugby scrum around the beer stall at half-time. Trouble is, I couldn't really moan at that because I didn't want a beer.
There was a distinct lack of beer or bagettes or food in general at half time.
Did the club underestimate the crowd or were we expected to eat the free scarves?
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You mean the 1992-2007 scarves were not edible? For fuck sake. What type of monkeys are running this club?
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The best way I can describe the difference Peter, between now and then is that we are all the same characters - fans, team, board, manager - but in a different play. Sometimes it is a comedy but mostly it is a tragedy, sometimes it has a happy ending, but mostly it all ends in tears the way life does. It was always thus being a Villa fan and always will be.
The clearest example I can give you of how much times have changed in the period I have been going is that as a boy I used to walk down Sycamore Rd to the ground. There was a pub called The Sycamore. In there on match days was a man - a black man, which was very rare in those days whose boast was that he would eat anything. For a shilling or two he would munch razor blades, light bulbs, bike lights. His speciality for payment of two bob was to bite the head off a live rat. That was the pre match entertainment. Legend has it that the man died when somebody gave him a bag of hyacinth bulbs to eat.
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My biggest worry about the future is being able to afford the expense of going to all the Cup Finals and European away days that will soon be on our fixture list.
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Legend has it that the man died when somebody gave him a bag of hyacinth bulbs to eat.
I say Brian, did he slip into a coma first?
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The biggest change of course is television, back then all games were played on Saturday so you went to the pub then went to the game then back to the pub and waited for the Argus to arrive, after a swift two or three you went home for tea had an argument with the missus because you were late home which gave a good excuse to go back to the pub. And at the ground it was Bovril not beer. Players in fifties seemed to stay longer and of course most were part timers, the defence of Sims in goal Lyn and Aldis full backs Baxter half back sticks in my mind to this day.
Apart from the one cup final we never did anything in the fifties, it was more a Saturday ritual. I would like to think that Brian is older than me.
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Is it a sign of the times that i now have to reply to myself to get this thread out of the championship and back among the elite where it belongs. I am disappointed that some of our midfielders have gone missing of late especially Peter w whom our forward line has relied on for a constant supply of not so delicate through balls and Jd who has occassionaly starred in a brilliant line up, Legion has done a GM and disappeared from the starting line up. It seems that this team is reliant on
players whose legs have lost a yard or two to keep us in the premiership.
I hope there is someone out there rich enough to take us over.
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I do apologise Robbo. I was in discussions with other threads as to a possible move. however, I just couldn't break away. I thought this thread didn't want me enough anymore. I thought it didn't appreciate me. I was worried that everybody was on helium and the worry was drifting away.
But I've reaffirmed my affiliation and will do my utmost in making more worriers of us.
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I'm still here, worrying in one way or another.
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I am worried shitless because I cannot understand Peter's reference to a coma. Even more worrying is that when I have had it explained to me I shall not be able to think of a witty riposte about hyacinths and comas.
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Legion, that was half-hearted. I believe you've been swept along in the current tide of everythings great.
The General has ignored any questions relating to the badge, as he ignores any question that may lead to closer examination of the board and their intentions.
He's made Stepford posters over nearly all of us. What happens when thetake over of the independent fans forum is complete.
H&V was set up to be an independent voice. I presume the forum was set up as the same vehicle but on line. I am enjoyimg everything the board is doing except this one main area.
Any dissenting voice is being ignored by the General, and shouted down by the vast majority. is that what we're all becoming. General/Randy apologists?
The success of 'democracy' depends on the ability to dissent. We had that under Ellis and it would be listened to and arguments given against the dissenting voice. however much we did not like the message. Now? We are ignored at best and there is a strategy of getting all Villa fans behind the board.
Do you really think the General is on Villa websites because he fancies a chat? Or because he wants to bring everyone of us in line. or am I being deluded about their Machievellian designs?
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Legion, that was half-hearted. I believe you've been swept along in the current tide of everythings great.
The General has ignored any questions relating to the badge, as he ignores any question that may lead to closer examination of the board and their intentions.
He's made Stepford posters over nearly all of us. What happens when thetake over of the independent fans forum is complete.
H&V was set up to be an independent voice. I presume the forum was set up as the same vehicle but on line. I am enjoyimg everything the board is doing except this one main area.
Any dissenting voice is being ignored by the General, and shouted down by the vast majority. is that what we're all becoming. General/Randy apologists?
The success of 'democracy' depends on the ability to dissent. We had that under Ellis and it would be listened to and arguments given against the dissenting voice. however much we did not like the message. Now? We are ignored at best and there is a strategy of getting all Villa fans behind the board.
Do you really think the General is on Villa websites because he fancies a chat? Or because he wants to bring everyone of us in line. or am I being deluded about their Machievellian designs?
I'm worried that you're becoming a delusional paranoid. :smt002
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I am worried about Peter and some of his recent rants. As Del Trotter once said "Calm down, you will give yourself a connery"
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I am worried shitless because I cannot understand Peter's reference to a coma. Even more worrying is that when I have had it explained to me I shall not be able to think of a witty riposte about hyacinths and comas.
I thought we were building up to the old joke about slipping into a coma after eating plant bulbs and then coming out in the spring.
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Im worried I'm not going to last the weekend due to working 3pm-midnight Friday/Saturday. Got to be at Camborne for 5.30am Sunday to get coach to Wembley for Truro City vs some welsh team in a cup final. Get back hopefully around midnight to then drive to Exeter airport for 05.30 Monday morning to fly to Paris for 4 days.
Bet our hotel is in the middle of the riots in Paris! 8-[
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I'm not a regular but I was worried about chipping in at the 300 page mark in case I was branded a glory hunter. Now I'm feeling up for a good worry again, the team have gone on this unbeaten run. It's not so much worry at the moment as a bit of mild fretting. Or maybe mithering. Not sure. Certainly a nagging feeling about the badge/branding issue.
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Blimey Dave, that's quite some schedule you've got. Put the B-lose and two's on and you should be fine, and any trouble in Paris - show 'em your badge.
I was a little worried about the inference in Ian's post. I would like to reassure Dave that Ian was not referring to his rusty sheriff's badge in that post.
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Well I've now finished my stint in Auckland and I am back in Christchurch. I have also quit my job and am now worried that I have done the right thing (time will tell). 8-[
On the football front I'm worried that there are no games at all on Saturday, so I will not have anything to look forward to this weekend (all games are on Monday morning over here).
Oh, Robbo & Peter, I apologise for my absence over the past few weeks. Good to see you have kept the worried thread going, with help from IanB.
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IanB, I assure I am not a dirty gloryhunter!
I have been around for the glory years of worrying. As a boy I worried about getting out of the 3rd division. as a young man I worried through the McNeill glory years of worry. And last but not least, the O'Leary-Ellis axis of worry gave me an ulcer.
My only regret is being too young to remember the tsunami of worry caused by nearly going out of business in the late 60's. Maybe we should have a day of recognition for the great Digbeth Civvy worriers. We salute them!
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You leave my badge out of it.
Not taking my warrant card to Paris. I'm off duty and thats the way it stays unless its a major incident.
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The cat of 5 months died to tonight of severe poisoning caused by some poison(?) or botulism eating rotten food?
I'm worried the General is starting a campaign to get at my through loved ones. Kill the bastard cat to make a point first. Then the missus is next...
You can do your worst General..I ain't gonna be quiet for nobody...you're killing my club..Oracle is a Clown...we're going down nxt season... ppppffffzzzzttttssssssqqqqqbbbbbbeeeee
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If you are being serious Peter, bad luck with the loss of the cat. The commonest form of cat poisoning is when they eat a dying rat or mouse which has been poisoned. Perhaps you are only jesting.
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Sadly not. The missus has been distraught all evening. I have had a fine upstanding stiff upper lip however. The bottom one was quivvering like a jelly, mind. Poor little bugger. Thick as pigshit and I always suspected his curiosity and downright thickness would do for him. Just a shame it was so soon.
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I expect everybody has told you but the best thing to get over it is to go out and get another little kitten immediately. It helps if you put a bell on them. They cannot hunt but it keeps them from getting poisoned in the way I described.
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I expect everybody has told you but the best thing to get over it is to go out and get another little kitten immediately. It helps if you put a bell on them. They cannot hunt but it keeps them from getting poisoned in the way I described.
We put a bell and collar on one of our cats once...slipped whilst climbing a tree, the collar caught a branch and broke it's neck.
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That's the day's most uplifting post OCD.
By a stretch.
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Yeah sorry, I felt sorry for Peter W and his cat and felt that I should share in his misery. We should probably be propping up some bar somewhere.
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Ours have collars but they are those safety ones which release when pulled really hard.
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I once put down a rat trap baited with a big lump of cheese. That stupid cat must have been the world's only cheese eating cat. Good job the kids did not see it.
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A boozer? In Islamabad?
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Listen its only a cat ..all they do is sleep and shit in next doors fecking garden ( next door being me )..
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Not a cat lover they just piss everywhere, may I suggest you go out and get her a puppy, one that will grow into a mans dog that will terrify any possible intruders she will come to love it and it will give you added protection seeing as you are delusional about an American vendetta.
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Peter take the missus out for a meal.. you'll probably be reunited sooner than expected !
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Cat curry?
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That's the day's most uplifting post OCD.
By a stretch.
The sad thing is I've got an even more depressing story to what happened to my 2nd cat.
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Go on....
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No, don't tell us, OCD.
Actually, does OCD stand for "Occasional Cat Decapitator" or something horrible?
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LOOK AWAY PAULIEWALNUTS
Right, here goes...
We had a long haired ginger called Sam that used to bring back mice, birds etc. There was a local fishery which used to leave fish hanging on a line in the back of the property. About 3 days before we moved house to a completely different area, my Dad found Sam dead in the road. The fishery had left a fish hanging outside which had poison on it to kill the cat that had been eating their merchandise.
I was about 7/8 at the time and I would still love to get hold of whoever did that.
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Sounds fishy to me.
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No, don't tell us, OCD.
Actually, does OCD stand for "Occasional Cat Decapitator" or something horrible?
I didn't kill the cats, I was about 5 when the first one died and 7/8 when the second one was killed.
We also had another cat who lived a full and healthy life.
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Is this the pussy love in or what?
Cats aren't loyal, they go to whoever feeds em. Its not til they die that the neighbours say "haven't seen your cat lately, it always came round in the afternoon for a bit of food and a warm in front of the fire."
Bastard things always shit in my bleedin garden. Pain in the arse they are. :twisted:
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Bad karma to slag off cats. Sacred animals to the Egyptians. The Mummy will get you (when we play Fulham away).
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I'm suprised that Peters cat lasted that long, isn't it a local delicacy in Islamabad?
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Bad karma to slag off cats. Sacred animals to the Egyptians. The Mummy will get you (when we play Fulham away).
I aint Bovvered! The Egyptians didn't reach Cornwall cos the caravan dwellers would have mugged em en route.
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Sorry to hear about your Cat, Peter.
I have lost two Cats over the past few years, both of them getting run over. We have two Cats now and they both go toilet outside (the only time Cats go toilet inside is if they can't get out).
Anyway back to the Villa. Still a chance to finish in the Top 10 after today.
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A boozer? In Islamabad?
Yes : http://www.pakp.com/2005/07/islamabad-pub-glitters-with-revelry.html
Been to that place. Not really a boozer. A lot of houses have turned themselves into a restaurant. That one has Chinese food. There is a bar in the room next to it, just a normal room in a house converted into an area with a bar. Its small, cramped, and expensive. And shite. Been there once. There is a bar at the BHC and that's where I go. In fact..I'll be finishing work at 1pm..lunch with the missus to try and mend that broken heart..back to the club for a few sherberts...try and stay sober as possible because the beer and skittles alleyway is being put down (no quips about cats..) at 11am Saturday morning. I'm running the footie team from the side at 3.30pm (been out injured for 3 months now. Ligament/cartilige damage to right-knee) then the beer and skittles will start at 8pm...recover through Sunday in time to see us play Bolton.
Did have a bell on him (the cat) but it wound him up as he was trying to play with it all the time so we took it off.
I'm worried that the weekend has started badly and now the bad karma will spread like a disease until Sunday. Bolton will stuff us, MON will resign to take over at Newcastle and the Yanks will pull out and buy the Shit.
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I think you should see a shrink it's getting worse.
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Great night had by all. Now to finish the season in fine fettle by thumping Bolton.
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Oh yes. Now, what do we do until August?
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Oh yes. Now, what do we do until August?
aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!................CRISPS ANYONE?
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I'm worried that the fine form that carried us to the end of the season will not be carried over to the new season. The problem for MON is that we are expecting top 6 next season and a good Cup run.
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i get you peter.....i was punning on your comment,...you said what do WE do until august?.....i was trying to imitate the strongbow advert by way of suggesting we should have a beer,poor joke i know...but yes i do agree we should not rest on our laurels & the quicker we move in the transfer market the better as there is a lot of cash floating about this year.
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Great marketing. Strongbow Beer!
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I know you were Warren, but I had to put some old fashioned worrying into this thread. this way, its still topical and a hot thread.
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yes & i was worried you got the wrong end of the stick. :-
sorry,that was even worse than the strongbow pun.
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Any nightcrawlers around?
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I an not happy at the thought of facing the Spam supporters this Saturday. Cheating bastards. Kit stealers. Not happy at all.
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Why are you facing the Spam supporters?
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Ian Im worried that your not worrying about anything, just posting to say a quick hello?.. what's wrong...c'mon on im worried.
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Honeymoon ? You getting married then ?
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ha ha nice one...
Hope you get it right this time mate !
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I'm worried that one morning I'll mistake my Gillette shaving cream for my Gillette deodorant.
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Done it the other way round!
I'm worried about doing that too!
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I'm worried about this thread disappearing or even worse being taken over by the generals thread.
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Dead cats, wedding rings, American rambo, is there nothing we don't cover on this thread. I will just throw this one in for good measure. Australia has just recorded the lowest twelve month rainfall on record, our dams are down to 29 percent, I can no longer wash my car or water my plants due to water restrictions which we are being told will become more severe, and to top it off we have a prime minister who doesn't believe in Global warming. I'm worried that we may eventually have to move back to Brum just to get a drink of water.
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I'm worried that we'll forget the Villa's woes - and there are many - and just drown in a vat of General poured treacle.
Repeat after me,' Everythings Great'.
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So i take it your not concerned if I run out of beer?
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No Robbo. Aussie beer is shite. You'll have to import more stuff. Currently drinking beers from lapland. Begins with K. Cannot remember its name. Its fooking luvlee.
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Youre drinking beer from lapland in Islamabad !!?
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Great isn't it? Bloody lovely stuff too.
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I doubt whether it is "great" ... beer from Lapland? They dont know anything about brewing !! They only know about Father Christmas & Reindeer...
Im worried your beer taste buds have dried up in the heat of Pakistan, and now any old pish tastes good !
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Your not too far off the mark Pete, Aussie beers all taste the same to me and I do tend to drink imported when i'm out. Pub in Frankston used to sell Ansells but not any more, that tasted crap as well.
I see your causing trouble on another thread, was going to jump in to defend your position but I couldn't find it.
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I'm worried peterw is putting too much time into another thread and is neglecting his worrying duties.
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Well, and I hate to say this, I really really do, but the rings were NOT up to scratch. I was fucking gutted. They are going back for tidying up. I could've fucking cried. Bastard.
How on earth can you tidy up wedding rings? Are they not just two gold bands?
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2 new rings that need tidying up ? please explain.. im worried you havent been to a reputable jeweller!
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if you put it under a scope, you can see loads of inflections on the finish. Is it me?
Scope? Microscope?! I'm sure you'd see imperfections in most things if you magnify them that much. Still, if you're not happy and she's a friend, she should correct them in time?
We got our rings from the Jewellery Quarter without too many problems, I think most of them would value their reputation too much not to put things right.
Now stop being such a big girl, have a beer and send the intended down to sort it all out! ;)
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Rightly so Risso. Worrying about rings and stuff. Ian B get a grip. [-(
My Wife still nages me about me losing my wedding ring a few years ago. I took it off when I was playing football and it must have fallen out of my pocket. 8-[ Now I wear a cheap silver band, as I never really liked gold anyway.
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I'M past caring about mine haven't used it in ages *blushing face*
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That was my occupation in a previous life spent all of my mispent youth in the jewellery quarter and made thousands of the bloody things , mainly engagement rings though. Sorry they wern't to your liking Ian are you sure they wern't made in China.
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Only in Pakistan, the misses went to check on hers the other dya and was unsure whether she liked the smaller band that she initially oredered. The jeweller told her to take it with her and see how she felt about it and come back to pay for it if she liked it, or to bring it back if it needs to be altered. She's been wearing it since Tuesday!
Don't worry. I haven't neglected my Worrying duties. This is still the real deal.
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I'm worried that we won't get Darren Bent. If he chooses any other club outside the top 4 over us is this a bad sign? if he goes to tottenham then we'll likely go for Defoe, but is Defoe better than what we've got?
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No Defoe would have been good for the old desperate Villa not for the new European challenging Villa. The worry is that the top four will take their pick and we will be left with what's left over.
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I'm worried that Tottenham will get there noses in front because of being in Europe. That's why the fair play route would have been useful. I cannot see Bent coming to us at this stage in his career and yet he is exactly the type of player we need.
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Lads - telling me to get a grip isn't helping! [-o<
Ring the fecking Samaritans then.
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Lads - telling me to get a grip isn't helping! [-o<
Ring the fecking Samaritans then.
0121 546 7865
But due to staffing cuts the last person to ring who was about to jump from the top of a building was told to 'hang on '
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Has anyone read this entire thread lately?
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Only in Pakistan, the misses went to check on hers the other dya and was unsure whether she liked the smaller band that she initially oredered. The jeweller told her to take it with her and see how she felt about it and come back to pay for it if she liked it, or to bring it back if it needs to be altered. She's been wearing it since Tuesday!
Don't worry. I haven't neglected my Worrying duties. This is still the real deal.
I'm worried the soon-to-be Mrs peter w is going to run off with the ring and get sent to jail for robbery.
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Your point being ? Do people actually read all of em ? or just pick out the juicey bits ?
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I'm worried that Dave has mis-counted. Unless we're expecting a 315 -350 jump in posts overnight.
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I'm worried that Dave has mis-counted. Unless we're expecting a 315 -350 jump in posts overnight.
Good one Peter. =D> =D>
Where did Mr Woodhall come from? Did he think we were closing in on a milestone?
I'm worried that he's watching us now. 8-[
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I started to re-re-re-re-read this thread from the beginning this afternoon. At what point does ever other re-reader start laughing uncontrollably?
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are the VFC still about i ain't heard from them in ages.
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I started to re-re-re-re-read this thread from the beginning this afternoon. At what point does ever other re-reader start laughing uncontrollably?
You really ought to get out more.
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He certainly does Robbo.
Saying that, with the football season now ended re-re-re-reading this thread will help relieve the boredom of the close season. Especially the parts on the thread where certain people start to lose their sanity. 8-[
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Im worried that my insides may be well be rotting away or something may well have crawled inside me and died overnight. I have just had the most god awful poo in my lavatorial history, readers of a sqeamish disposition, should be warned not to enter trap 2 in the main toilet block where i work....
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Im worried that my insides may be well be rotting away or something may well have crawled inside me and died overnight. I have just had the most god awful poo in my lavatorial history, readers of a sqeamish disposition, should be warned not to enter trap 2 in the main toilet block where i work....
I once ate a load of jalopeno's with some nachos at the cinema,the next mornin I was almost in tears on the bog,at one point i'm sure I said mommy.
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I started to re-re-re-re-read this thread from the beginning this afternoon. At what point does ever other re-reader start laughing uncontrollably?
Herr John. Every time. Comedy gold. Does anyone remember that poster who said she posted here when her other half wasn't in? We sent her on an pdyssey through this thread and haven't seen her since. I reckon she's around page 159. Maybe the Shaun Udal bit.
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Saving me from trawling through the mundane, at what page does it start to get juicy (in the schnell, ve hav vays ov making you talk variety)?
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Saving me from trawling through the mundane, at what page does it start to get juicy (in the schnell, ve hav vays ov making you talk variety)?
Sorry, no clues, wading through the mundane makes it all the more worthwhile when you get to the truly hatstand.
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It's up there with the moon landing and jfk assassination, everyone remembers where they were when mooney completely lost it. I was in Barcelona, checking e-mails and a supposed-to-be quick browse through h&v. I think i stayed on for 2 hours after that....
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The Mooney stuff is brilliant, but my rock with laughter bit always comes when Chico posts Springtime For Hitler.
PS.
There's also a good bit right at the start when Robobabble claims Doug's definitely, truly, this time I mean it, about to sell up any day now - in October 2005. Then he says that if Doug doesn't sell, he should be jailed for misleading the Stock Exchange.
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I'm pretty sure i'm going to get fired, but i've just reached the good stuff! it's worth it, in a way....
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Dave, Robobabble was indeed entertaining but he was only the warm up act. That descent into lunacyshould be played at H&V ceremony awards night. It has to be the funniest thing I've ever read. Seeing someone literally cry, and punch his keyboard into submission was hilarious.
For those of yoiu that did not experience it, I'm sorry, but you really do have to start at page 1, pull the curtains, go to the bog, give yourself a couple of hours, and revel in what is pure comedy.
'300 hundred posts and no more. Fuck-off'...
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and when we get back to here,do we have to read it all again as we will be reading the posts that tell us to read it again or are we allowed to just carry on reading till the end,oh and can we still add a post or 2 or 3 or 4 on the end to keep the reading even longer,what if we start reading it over again & people keep posting on the end,will we ever get to the end,if not is there a warning signal we can send out telling the mods which page to rescue us from.If not can we set up a memorial thread in which family members can post for info on our last whereabouts,is there a point like the bermuda triangle were no ones ever come out of and if so can we be advised so the less brave of us can skip around it.
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got to page 39 wow i'm bored with it already
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Persevere. LaughingGravy is imminent.
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Sorry Warren but you really do need to persevere. As Legion said it really is worth it. I said it before, Comedy Gold.
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Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.
Predictable.
21 pages at least.
At least. But he didn't foresee how the thread would pan out, did he?
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Andy Gray mentions in his book that Doug used to piss Atkinson off by hoovering around the training ground.
Tight old git! You think he'd have paid cleaners to do it.
This Fletcher speciality misquote provoked a chuckle.
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got to page 39 wow i'm bored with it already
How are you getting on now?
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Is it just me, or while reading through it, do you get the compulsion to reply to a post, only to remember that it was written back in 2005?
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Is it just me, or while reading through it, do you get the compulsion to reply to a post, only to remember that it was written back in 2005?
And just as valid now as it was then.
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I just started re-readign and first laughing-too-loud-in-office moment came on page 2, with someone described as
"The Supreme Commander Allied Villa Fans Europe, King of Kings, Star of Stage, Screen and Emmerdale Farm, Tsar of All the Russias, Most Merciful Monarch, CSE (Grade 5) Woodwork and Bar"
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I think we'll find ourselves edging bacl to this thread more and more over the next few seasons.
Oh yes, it will still be thriving.
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got to page 39 wow i'm bored with it already
How are you getting on now?
i'm on page 83 now'I see what you mean,I was laughing my tits off at that nutcase LG,I also never realised I posted a couple of times throughout it (sh*t posts mind you).is there a way i can get back to page 83 without 'nexting' all the way through it,I loved the duncan norvelle bit,it's right up my passage :- ,can't wait to see if peter w holds his bat up high when the century is reached.Are you going to write a book on it dave. \:D/
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This thread is timeless and should be preserved for posterity by the National Trust, it is a constant reminder that however much we are tempted by small snippets of success disaster is only a page away. Is it only me that feels things are going just that little bit too well at the moment and disappointment is standing in the wings rolling around in uncontrollable laughter.
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Nope. Me to Robbo. This is Villa we're talking about. Someying will kick us in the balls soon and Yang will be away with the fairies.
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Good morning children. It's nice to see that there a few people on here who are taking the opportunity to re-read the thread. That will take some doing.
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im on page 112 now,is there anyway at all i can just go straight to page 113 next time as clicking next is taking almost as long as reading it,oh & by the way if we keep posting on this end we will never finish reading it so i guess im defeating myself......i think i'm going insane :-x
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I am now completely worry-free over Villa's future.
Apart from the expense of visiting the new Wembley every season of course and being stung for £10 for a programme and £8 for a burger.
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Its okay BDE. We've seen your type before. Off you pop. Enjoy your worried-freeness. We'll be here for you when you come back. You silly scamp.
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It would help if you'd reply to my e-mail asking what you'd like off us.
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I've sent loads! Use my Hotmail address via the email button.
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I personally think that VFC DO speak for me and all other Villa fans. You lot are just upset because you didn't think of it first. If you had balls you slag off an 80- year old anti christ, wave red cards at him, and walk away flailing your hands just about as he was about to ask you the way to the toilets. Fletch you're a prick. Risso you're an arse, all Chris's you are faggots, Famous AV you embarrass yourself, BD you're an eejit. Woodhall stop making a living off the back off my football team and getting mugs like me to buy your books, Olofs beard?Olofs bollocks. Mac shmac. Laughing Gravity you're a tit,Legion who the fuck are you anyway? mazz and your poof of a brother can suck my big cock, Robbo and JD you fairies, Simon Page ooh you're soooo hard.Steve D what the 'D' stand for? Dickhead?Pete Bland ain't that the truth. Disco Stu or whatever the frig you call yourself you cocksucking animal sod off, Karlos get a proper job you boring twat, oh fuck the lot of ya VillaTalk is a lot more interesting anyway.....
surely that will get something going...
quality =D>
this thread is like war and peace on crack
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Yes, but when the general told Peter he was after his arse Peter went into the mountains to hide for a month or so. He's all talk that Winters boy. :smt073
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Perhaps the proposed Mrs B has sought to intercede.
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Bloody hell. The best thing about that post is not only do I remember it, but loads of those posters have bugered off. Worked to a point. I wonder if the General would appreciate a similarly toned question?
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It was a grand post Peter. Go on I dare you to post something like that to the General and see if he gets the joke. :-
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Don't encourage him
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You're right OCD, he shouldn't be encouraged. :oops:
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We havn't signed anyone yet, is it too early to worry? I will be flying over next year after a very log absense, just wondering should I come over in march-April and see games at the end of next season or leave it til August September and see the start of the following season? That's presuming that they don't sell all the seats as season tickets.
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Robbo, I suppose would depend on where we are placed in March/April. If we are still in the FA Cup (yeah I know ](*,) ) and challenging for Europe, March/April would be exciting.
But the beginning of a new season, better weather etc is always good as well.
Now I'm worried I'm just confusing the issue even further. :smt002
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Just wait until the weekend!
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Worry ye not, my BP is now down to 140, the drugs do work!
Did this problem materialise just after you proposed?
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Speech done - check. Suit checked - check. Lift to church sorted (I can walk it) - check. Anything else I need to remember?
Don't forget the ring. 8-[
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I'm not having a ring. Is that wrong?
There's not many transfers happening yet Robbo so i wouldnn't be too worried. It show's that we aren't after out of contract players and are intending to spend to get who we want. That's a very good sign.
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I think in true worrier tradition we should all send wedding cards to Peters
wedding so they can be read out at the reception, you know things like don't worry Pete if it doesn't work out you can get a quickie divorce or we're worried that you won't handle the resposibility or even statistics show that your marriage has a one in three chance of lasting more than five years. Just general words of solidarity.
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That's a good idea Robbo. I might send one that says "Don't worry too much Peter, I am watching you, Love The General". O:)
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Speech done - check. Suit checked - check. Lift to church sorted (I can walk it) - check. Anything else I need to remember?
Don't forget the ring. 8-[
Jesus, giving it to her up the wrong un on the wedding night. I like your style.
And I'm worried about that.
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Drummond, that's very naughty, but very, very funny. :smt077
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Well it looks like Peter and Ian are too content with married life to be worried any more. :- I give them a week, before they are worried again.
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As long as that? :smt002
Said my best wishes to Ianb and his better half, didn't realise peter w was getting hitched - regards to Mr and Mrs peter w. (Was off line for a few weeks due to 'circumstances beyond my control'.)
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villajk, I heard that Peter and the General got hitched. :-
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Easy....I'll be back to worrying very soon. With the in-laws abound its not easy to get here to worry like as good-un. Normal service will be resumed...
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You need sanctuary young Mr Winters away from the out-laws. Then you can worry about them catching you worrying on here. 8-[
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I'll be worrying very soon. And then I'll be away on holiday in Thailand so I'll stop worrying for a bit.
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I'm worried Peter will meet some dodgy ladyboy.
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I'm not.
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I'm worried about the profile of signings that is likely this summer. It maywell be that we are at the standard of the Reo-Cokers, Milners, Koumas's of the world.
But, as I said before by raising fans expectations we will not accept even £20m being spent unless its on fantasy players thast get us excited. Is this dangerous for MON?
We all expect top 6 next season. We believe we'll end up in Europe at the end of the season. But what happens if we end up 9th and out of both Cups early? The fan's appetite has been whetted and our ambitions lifted.
I think next year is a big one for MON at Villa. It is his make or break season. It shouldn't be after only 2 seasons, but we will not accept anything but Europe next season.
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Yes it's all getting worryingly interesting. When we got our billionaire we thought it would give us passage into the top four now it seems everyone is getting their own billionaire so we are no better off.
I hope that MON has everything in order and we are worrying for nothing but hey this is Villa and we are used to disappointment and let down, hold on I can feel a depression coming on just thinking about it. Koumas, Robinson with these names being linked to us it feels like old times especially as we're getting very excited about Rio Coker who may be a handy player but lets be honest we expected better didn't we.
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We expected better but only because we're getting carried away with European Cups. Our expectation has been lifted to a ridiculous high. I fear for MON.
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Well i'm almost comotose with boredom and had contemplated reading this thread from the start but decided it would weaken my mental state even further. To see this thread drop to page three is an indication of the malaise that surrounds Villa Park at the moment, yes I know that our saintly manager will produce the goods eventually but i'm, worried that by then we will all be too far gone to care. I hate to say this but some arguments amongst even some of our more learned posters are becoming repetative and sef indulgent. I see someone has mentioned we might be getting a certain player from the Baggies for the 10,000 time, please can we agree to not talk about transfers to Villa Park until we have something that has some credibility to the rumour. And to all of you that let this thread deteriorate to page three. Wankers.
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Robbo, I can only agree, and hang my head in shame. I think its the summer months that allow apathy into worry.
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It disappoints when people drop of so readily or are they all happy now, The Kiwi hasn't posted in a while and he can't be happy he lives in New Zealand for Christs sake most over there virge on suicidal that's why they all try to get over here. And where may I ask is Legion when you want him. Ian B I will excuse because he has more important things to attend to until the novelty wears off.
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Still bogged down with KS2 SATs marking. I'll be 'back' worrying next week, rest assured.
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Well obviously not too bogged down. Just give them all passes. Or whatever they need to stop interrupting your day.
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Just finished my final script. Now all I've got left to do is enter the scores on the marksheets and check borderline results once I receive the level thresholds.
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Don't be cruel. You're messing with kid's futures.
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Blame the Government.
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No. I'll stick with blaming Doug. Seems safer.
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Don't call me a Kiwi, Robbo [-X
I've started a new job over the past couple of weeks, so have been pretty busy with that and been unable to post. It will be difficult to post during the week now, so I might have to just post at weekends for a while.
Anyway, why haven't we signed lots of players yet? [-(
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That's what's worrying a lot of us on here. Its fine to let go of the desperately average players- its another to let them ALL go without a hint of a sniff of new players coming in. I hope MON knows what he's doing by letting go of Davo/Rigde/Tommy.
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That's what's worrying a lot of us on here. Its fine to let go of the desperately average players- its another to let them ALL go without a hint of a sniff of new players coming in. I hope MON knows what he's doing by letting go of Davo/Rigde/Tommy.
I didn't know Davo/Ridge/Tommy had gone.
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Now I'm worried that players are leaving and I know nothing about it. Let's hope no more players leave until they have been replaced by better players.
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Hello.
Hello :smt002. Nice to hear from you.
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Hello.
Hello :smt002. Nice to hear from you.
:smt119 IanB hastily looks over his shoulder to see where Kelly is.
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Wait until he turns around and you'll see he's a 6ft4 Swede with a beard.
This is what I hate about the summer period. The waiting until we finally get the sniff of a transfer and then a transfer happens.
But, in all honesty, nothing much happens until the players arrive back from their hols. I think NRC is a done deal and we're waiting for the U-21s to finish.
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Wait until he turns around and you'll see he's a 6ft4 Swede with a beard.
This is what I hate about the summer period. The waiting until we finally get the sniff of a transfer and then a transfer happens.
But, in all honesty, nothing much happens until the players arrive back from their hols. I think NRC is a done deal and we're waiting for the U-21s to finish.
She's not, she's a very nice lady, aren't you Blondie?
Why thank you Ian, yes I am a nice lady and no I am not 6ft4 and no I don't have a beard either.
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Hello.
Hello :smt002. Nice to hear from you.
:smt119 IanB hastily looks over his shoulder to see where Kelly is.
How do you know that TrueBlonde isn't Kelly checking up on Ian?
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I love the summer. Its warm. Well hot for those of us in hot climates. Also, women where very little clothing, except for those of us in religious countries. Plus, the days are longer.
But fuck me its boring isn't it? Its like the longest Sunday ever.
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Surely the longest Friday ever!
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I love the summer. Its warm. Well hot for those of us in hot climates. Also, women where very little clothing, except for those of us in religious countries. Plus, the days are longer.
But fuck me its boring isn't it? Its like the longest Sunday ever.
It is boring isn't it. it's also freezing over here, has been snowing this week. Still it got up to -2c while my son was playing football this morning.
It's been cold all week and I am seriously thinking about ditching the bike for a while and driving to work.
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Well its in the 40s here and I'm playing footie later. Jaysus. Still, I'll be getting through knowing full well that we are going to be signing great players soon.
NRC, SWP, MON, AVFC... intials are the way forward brother. And sister.
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FWOVF then?
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Karachi, not Islamabad. You OK, PW?
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Oh you've all decided to come out to play and all you can talk about is the weather when we have many worries at hand. West Ham inflating the market, players going out and none coming in. Will the pub be finished for the start of the season? Will Paris change her ways and become celibate?
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The proper definition of celibacy is just refraining from marriage. But the word has been misused to mean refraining from sex.
As for the rain its not here. Had a deluge today for about 10 minutes then back to normal. What was the Bad on the news for?
West Ham haven't actually inflated anything just yet and we don't really know what they've asked for. I take anything with a pinch of salt until players start moving. Nothing will happen until July 1.
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The proper definition of celibacy is just refraining from marriage. But the word has been misused to mean refraining from sex.
As for the rain its not here. Had a deluge today for about 10 minutes then back to normal. What was the Bad on the news for?
West Ham haven't actually inflated anything just yet and we don't really know what they've asked for. I take anything with a pinch of salt until players start moving. Nothing will happen until July 1.
You sound unworried Peter. Are you ill?
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I never worry too much during the summer. I can only go from July - early June.
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Jinnah Avenue. Monsoon doesn't start here for another month or so but there has been rain. But its mainly humid at the moment. Fecking warm mind.
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Oh you've all decided to come out to play and all you can talk about is the weather when we have many worries at hand. West Ham inflating the market, players going out and none coming in. Will the pub be finished for the start of the season? Will Paris change her ways and become celibate?
I'm starting to worry about that an 'all.
*worrying noise*
*worry*
*worry*
Nah, she'll never be celibate.
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It hasn't been that bad here. Must have been a flash downpour when he was in Islamabad. Something like 250 + killed in Karachi.
But, on a brighter note its nearly July 1st.
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We get flooded with blow ins worried because we havn't signed anyone.
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Transfer window re-opens.
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Wrong no player can be registered for a new club until July 1st, of course deals have already been done behind closed doors and my predictions are
( don't tell the mods) and this is me using my superior powers not any inside knowledge. S.W.P and N.R.C (I love using text speak) will be ours as will Defoe. Wayne Bridge will be our new right back and i am almost sure we will be getting one extremely well thought of european star. Bellamy is out in the cold now, but M. Owen is in because he wants to get away from Scotland and none of the top four will pick him up. I will worry if July 2nd comes and goes and we havn't signed one of them. We have a water shortage over here and people are being flooded out i'n worried we will become extinct.
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Have to be honest I'll be questioning MON for the first time if he buys Wayne bridge and plays him at right back....
I must admit I've had a sneaky feeling about Michael Owen for a while now.
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Don't know. Age? Out of contract? Not actually signed but will sign?
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It's just that Liverpool, whatever money they have will spend it elsewhere, United have already bought most of their incomings, Abramovich will not be given the money and Arsenal do not need his type of forward, Spurs who seem to have bucketloads are linked to Bent. So if he is desperate to leave we are closer where he wants to be. That sounds too over optimistic for a reknowned worrier.
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I know Robbo, but even worriers can be optimistic. But we see our glass as being about to crack with all that liquid in it, and when there's half the water in the glass we know its because there's a leak. Its just our way.
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The transfer window opened at midnight on the last day of the season. According to the premier league rules:
1. “Transfer Windows” means the 2 periods in a year during which, subject to
Rule M.4, a Club may apply for the New Registration of a player or to have the
registration of a player transferred to it or for a Temporary Transfer.
2. The first Transfer Window in any year shall commence at midnight on the last day
of the Season and shall end on 31st August next if a Working Day or, if not, on
the first Working Day thereafter, at a time to be determined by the Board.
The thing about July 1st is that all contracts end on Jun 30th so players at the end of their contracts are transferred then.
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As contracts run out on June 1st that must be the time when most transfers start.
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My worry at the moment is that we are coming to the business end of the decade and we've won nothing yet. By my reckoning that has only happened in one previous decade; the 1930's. It's bad enough that Villa won nowt. But even worse is that it caused a world war. It's a very bad omen.
I'm also worried by my cognitive dissonance.
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Mind you. Its better than what happens when we won something in a year ending in 1, we end up going down later in the decade.
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Still no news on the transfer front, although the BBC gossip has news of Villa interested in lots of players. I am still confident that Villa are keeping a couple of big signings close to their chest and we will be pleasantly surprised. Well I hope so anyway. 8-[
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I'm getting worried that all my earlier predictions are not going to succeed and we will not sign anyone next week and this site will implode with angry posters demanding change. We sometimes recognise the fact that in General we are a bunch of moaners but geez sometimes we have just cause.
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I'm worried that the moaning will get so out of hand that General Chuck will adopt my Mom's approach- "I'll give you something to moan about" followed by a swift clip round the lug. Except the General may have a bit more firepower at his disposal than my Mom.
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I hate this thread!
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Well go away then and leave us worriers be.
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I am worried now, all our focus is on a midfielder who's own fans booed him last year and a lot on here are treating him as though he was vital to our success. Surely MON has other players coming in so where are they, okay NRC is taking a long time but does that mean we can't buy anyone else until he signs? I along with others expected top signings this summer, I don't call NRC a top signing, have we all been too optimistic are we going down the Doug route again, what's stopping us, who is the weakest link?
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I am worried now, all our focus is on a midfielder who's own fans booed him last year and a lot on here are treating him as though he was vital to our success. Surely MON has other players coming in so where are they, okay NRC is taking a long time but does that mean we can't buy anyone else until he signs? I along with others expected top signings this summer, I don't call NRC a top signing, have we all been too optimistic are we going down the Doug route again, what's stopping us, who is the weakest link?
MON's been on his hols; RL's back in town; there's presumably (big word) been loads of activity behind the scenes, particularly since we've moved some of the guys out ....
....it's all cool (I think!).
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I love someone who finishes all their positives with a negative.Can i rephrase that if your female I love you if your male i respect you.
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Robbo, you're getting stranger and stranger.. I'm worried about your mental state. Have to admit I'm not concerned by our lack of activity in the transfer market.
Everybody gets excited by transfers and seeing Villa sign players. Whoever they are. Now that we are in the period of the year when transfers happen in abundance, and when we know we will be signing players, we want to do it quickly. More for our own levels of excitement.
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You just watch, there will be a nice press conference soon and at least 6 new players will be unvieled in our new kit.
Or was that a dream i had. Ive been having trouble distinguishing reality with all the drugs i've been taking to get me through the closed season. 8-[
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Well the drugs do work then. Let the other Richie know.
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Robbo, you're getting stranger and stranger.. I'm worried about your mental state. Have to admit I'm not concerned by our lack of activity in the transfer market.
Everybody gets excited by transfers and seeing Villa sign players. Whoever they are. Now that we are in the period of the year when transfers happen in abundance, and when we know we will be signing players, we want to do it quickly. More for our own levels of excitement.
When you have followed Villa for as long as me you will be exactly the same it's a wearing down process, I still have moments of clarity but then I log on to rumours and seem to slowly disintergrate, hopefully in August I will have two weeks on the sunshine coast to recuperate, it takes a few days for the shakes to go, but I am no longer having DOL nightmares which is nice.
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Im worried about this thread, it reminds me of bad times!
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I thought you said you didn't like this thread? Then you go and post again Bigmelonface.
We will continue to be worried until world domination by Villa has succeeded.
At least we've signed someone now. We must have a few more close to being signed, the number we have let go. I hope. [-o<
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I'm worried that the moaning will get so out of hand that General Chuck will adopt my Mom's approach- "I'll give you something to moan about" followed by a swift clip round the lug. Except the General may have a bit more firepower at his disposal than my Mom.
I know it's a bit naff to quote yourself but I've just looked in on the General's thread and 4 days after I said this he administers a clip. I'm worried I'm psychic because I rarely foresee Villa doing well and am rarely disappointed.
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Now I'm getting worried that Hillbilly has foreseen us not doing well. Give us some good news Hillbilly...
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I'm worried that the General is taking his tutelage of Mr Lerner a git too far.
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I'm a bit worried about you Pete, Islamabad is not a favourite tourist destination at the moment.
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I'm worried that in 5 minutes i have a meeting and done none of my actions from the last meeting, because ive been to worried about searching the internet looking for signs of another villa signing.
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Kicked off big style last night. Such a quiet and serene place usually. I nearly dropped my Pimms. Those bloody tiresome neighbours.
Quite funny in a colonial kind of way. A work colleague was telling me that on the golf course, on the first tee, they had to turn back as stray bullets were hitting trees. Oh, these tiresome locals!
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Why did they turn back? surely it's just another form of handicap no worse than a six feet deep bunker, I call that soft.
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Kicked off big style last night. Such a quiet and serene place usually. I nearly dropped my Pimms. Those bloody tiresome neighbours.
Quite funny in a colonial kind of way. A work colleague was telling me that on the golf course, on the first tee, they had to turn back as stray bullets were hitting trees. Oh, these tiresome locals!
Stand and fight!!!
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Why did they turn back? surely it's just another form of handicap no worse than a six feet deep bunker, I call that soft.
I agree and this was an ex-military type preson. Soft as shite.
Had a text informing us to avoid stray bullets! Apart from stopping bullets and asking who their owners are, or if they have a license to be flying this way, I'm not sure what that actually means. The ones aimed at you are for you so just be quiet and take it you wimp?
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Pete - There's been a mini-series on Sky News this week focussing on the UK Immigration Office in the 'Bad - I saw one particular dumpy character and assumed it be you - is this correct?
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:tumble:
Not a lot happening here. No-one worried we've so far only signed one player, or that Peter can't have a decent game of golf without being shot at?
Saying that, Golf is a tedious game so shooting at people playing it should be made legal.
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Pete - There's been a mini-series on Sky News this week focussing on the UK Immigration Office in the 'Bad - I saw one particular dumpy character and assumed it be you - is this correct?
No, not me. I wasn't in that office when they were filming. They said if people wanted to be in the shot that we could sit behind the head of the section when they were interviewing her. I passed it up. What was the series like?
Oh, and JD, I'm not worried. Yet.
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They were talking on R5L yesterday afternoon about the new season prospects. As usual the top 4 were discussed in great detail , and just before they went to the news the presenter asked Mike Ingham (who I think speaks alot of sense) who else he thought would do well.
Ingham said that he really respected O'Neill and that if he was given time he ould be building something really good (or words to that effect). He also said that Reo-Coker was an excellent signing, and that CM was an area that he thought Spurs had still not sorted out.
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CM was an area that he thought Spurs had still not sorted out.
They certainly have sorted out the defence. Their goals conceded record last season was awful.
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Pete - There's been a mini-series on Sky News this week focussing on the UK Immigration Office in the 'Bad - I saw one particular dumpy character and assumed it be you - is this correct?
No, not me. I wasn't in that office when they were filming. They said if people wanted to be in the shot that we could sit behind the head of the section when they were interviewing her. I passed it up. What was the series like?
Oh, and JD, I'm not worried. Yet.
I caught it whilst having a work out in the gym (new regime, working well aswell), and it was very good. Too short, in fact. They rumbled a chap that claimed to be everything he wasn't. Reassuring, I guess, if you're the sort that's uppity about immigration. Looks a cool job, btw, Pete.
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Not cool in the slightest. Still, can't say too much.
I would have thought that all this Harewood talk would have had people streaming to this thread. For what its worth I think we're reading too much into this. Under The Clown and Ellis this would have been the best transfer that they could have mustered. This looks purely like what I suspect it is. A squad filler.
When we signed Sutton there was much consternation. People said 'he's shit', others 'trust MON'. Sutton held the forward line together in the game sthat he played and started to look like a threat.
Also, only once in his career has Emile Heskey looked like a rampaging dangerous threat. That was at Leicester under MON.
There will be games when things are not going well. If we can just stick a battering ram on, who may nick a couple of goals here and there, or create as much trouble as is possible, then why not.
I won't compare players as that is not effective, but systems. MON has his system. It usually depends on one, or two, bullies. Carew is one. MON wants a second. If we started the season with an attacking brigade of Carew - Agbonlahor - Moore - Harewood - Young - Maloney then we have a team that is vibrant. Our problem was in scoring goals, yet towards the end of the season when things seemed to click we scored 6 in 3 away games. Our home form just let us down. With the possibility of Reo -Coker, an attacking wide man, Petrov, Barry, Gardner, pouring forward then we are starting to go places.
I agree it would be nice to get a Defoe, but if he says no he says no. Whose to say that he didn't say 'yes' until the 11th hour? Or even if he's said anything at all?
This feels like a switch in a hurry to make sure we got something rather than nothing and, well, it wasn't long ago before we were on Wigan's level. Now we will take their choices without a second thought.
We will get there. There will be players coming. There may also be a reliance on the players who finished the last season very very strongly.
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I'm worried about Peter. Peddling optimism on this thread is a clear sign that he's losing his grip.
Pull yerself together man. You're amongst friends here. No need for this nonsense.
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i'm worried I wont have enough eggs for theM.H slaggers before he has pulled a shirt on .
Shame on you [-X
But maybe you are showing your football knowledge, and you dont think we should have a back up to replace Sutton :-
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I was waiting for this thread to rear its ugly head.
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Not cool in the slightest. Still, can't say too much.
Cooler than Accounts mate. Loose lips sink ships! :-#
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Anythings cooler than accounts you square.
Worried? Of course I'm worried. I'm worried about our future (hence the thread) not about our today though. This is the exciting part of the season just waiting for things to happen.
If this signing tells us one thing it tells us that the press have very little idea about what MON is doing. he is doing his work out of the eyes of the media.
He's obviously working on a few things. He won't get every Plan A, or even Plan B. This show's that if they both fail he is smart enough, and quick enough to use his plan C.
I think that even if you do't applaud the quality of player, you can applaud the savvy of the manager.
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But maybe you are showing your football knowledge, and you dont think we should have a back up to replace Sutton :-
I'm all for having a decent back-up striker, but Marlon 'Fucking' Harewood?
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Im over Harewood now but am starting to worry about the next big surprise MON has in store for us. James Beattie?
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Im over Harewood now but am starting to worry about the next big surprise MON has in store for us. James Beattie?
Now you're just being silly! or are you a masochist? O:)
The priorities have now to be 2 new fullbacks and another (inside forward sort of ) striker. And if we can get goalkeeper sorted, fine (although this could wait until January at a pinch).
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Worried. who's worried, I'm not worried. I am concerned about the mass panic/slagging off over our recent signing before he has even kicked a ball.
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Im over Harewood now but am starting to worry about the next big surprise MON has in store for us. James Beattie?
Now you're just being silly! or are you a masochist? O:)
The priorities have now to be 2 new fullbacks and another (inside forward sort of ) striker. And if we can get goalkeeper sorted, fine (although this could wait until January at a pinch).
Call me whatever you like but we are now linked again with Anthony Gardner, and I didn't think we could do worse than Harewood how do you like them apples Eff. I'm worried, think i'll have a lie down.
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I honestly see the Harewood signing as MON snapping up his Plan D before he loses all. What's the worse that happens? He doesn't score. With the side they way the ended the season last year they should be full of goals.
Admittedly, a big problem was scoring throughout the season, but who were we going to attract? Bent? No. Defoe? Well he decide that Tottenham are gearing themselves up for a CL spot, and then moving on further. So, he wants to stay and fight. Fair enough. If he chose Portsmouth over us then it would be a worrry.
But to most we are a average team with ambition. But so are Bolton, Newcastle, Blackburn, Man City, Everton, Portsmouth, Tottenham. Players joining any of these teams are going to go for European football first and foremost.
MON's job is to build on last season and drag us into a European spot. This season will be a test on his managerial skills as because of the mess we were left in after The Clown and Ellis, we have no ggodwill to offer. We only have MON. That is great in getting certain players, but not all.
Its not all doom and gloom because players will come in. MON will then have to mould them, and the new team, into a top 6 outfit. To be honest, there wasn't a great deal to do. Significant work yes, but North face of the Eiger scale of work.
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A better standard of debate. And yet we are still repeatedly overlooked on this thread. What gives?
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MON has got a reputation of not buying his players until the 11th hour. Did it re-Petrov - albeit a different set of circumstances, and |maloney also. It was what was his reputation at Celtic.
A leopard doesn't change his spots. He'll be out to provr that he is a take it or leave it manager. You don't sign, you stay where you are. If we have to wait until August 31st its not ideal but there you go. We'll only be 2 weeks into the season, and any new players will have ghad the pre-season with their current clubs.
A rabbit or two will be pulled out of the hat.
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fcuk me pete...first Marlon HAREwood...now a rabbit or two... what next a Gerbil for right back
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It's all about leopards and rabbits. You got that right sister.
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It put a spring right back in my step
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Its a 5 year plan so I'm not worried. Good things come to those that wait. We will be fine and I can't wait for the season to start.
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I'm looking forward to the start of the season. I will admit to being a tad disappointed that we haven't got more in but it is only 20th July. I suspect the majority of Premiership transfers are still to happen. There is not a whisper about anything from the club. Which means its a hive of activity.
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fcuk me pete...first Marlon HAREwood...now a rabbit or two... what next a Gerbil for right back
I thought Gerbil Cisse had signed for somone else ? !!
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Is Ricky Otter available?
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I get annoyed when positive posters come on here even peter w has occassional periods of euphoria, as yet i can see no reason for optimism.
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I don't have the facts to hand, but I would put money on there being more transfers in the last two weeks of the window than in the rest of it combined (not a lot of money, admittedly).
I would liken it to a housing chain. A lot of deals are 'lined up', of that I am sure, but clubs will be seeking replacements before finalising sales, or waiting for funds from sales before making purchases. Unfortunately that's just the way it is.
We are not yet a Tier One club (i.e. a club that most players would instantly sign for if there was interest, Man Ure, Chelski, Arse, Red Scouse), so we must wait. I don't like it, and would love it if we had our new squad in place for the first day of pre-season, but I accept the reality of the situation.
If the window closes and we haven't bought the players we need, then I'll be pissed off. Not now.
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Or any number from Gay Meadow (Moderators please note this is not a politically incorrect homophobic reference) They are all Shrews.
On the serious question of whether MON has been too slow and circumspect in his dealings during the summer or whether it is a cards-close-to-chest strategy which will suddenly bear fruit before kick off time I am afraid I have to reluctantly accept that it is the former.
However, with two months of last season still to play, my faith in MON started to waver and the strength of our run in proved him right and me wrong so I am probably wrong again.
I still regard him as the best manager in the Premiership but even the best in any field make mistakes. His natural style is to be cautious and patient. I imagine he knows very clearly who he wants and will stalk that player until he gets him. This close season however has been very different from anything we have ever seen and I think it has mitigated against MON's way of doing things. The Prem is doubly awash with money from the new Sky deal and from new mega rich club owners. There are too few quality players to meet demand and the clubs who got them were always going to be the ones quickest into the market and the most decisive. I suspect that within a week MON will have decided to wing it until Christmas with what he has got then spend in January.
I hope I am wrong but the most I expect before the new season is a couple of squad player signings.
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I'm not worried about the signing of Harewood, with JPA and Sutton leaving I see him as the back up to Big John. If Luke Moore can finally reach his potential and Gabby has another good season then we do have great competition up front (I for one would rather see Carew/Moore than Carew/Defoe).
Get us in a decent right ack and another decent midfield player and we will have the makings of a very decent team.
I am not too worried yet, but I will be if we don't sign anyone else before the transfer window ends.
Still then again there's always Mark Delaney. Remember him?
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Given the worry exhibited on the other threads on this board, I can barely begin to imagine how worrisome this thread must be.
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It's terrible isn't it? People are worried all over the place. This is the place to bring your worries to though. Bring it on...
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Again, and I feel like a traitor to ths thread, but I'm not worried about the transfers/lack of transfers. Not even by Harewood. I still trust MON implicity. I think we'll be fine come August 31st. Then I'll worry.
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Yes, sorry Peter W, you are in the worried thread. The optomists thread is second left down the corridor, opposite the photocopier.
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Ah. Right you are. Sorry, I'm new here.
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Again, and I feel like a traitor to ths thread, but I'm not worried about the transfers/lack of transfers. Not even by Harewood. I still trust MON implicity. I think we'll be fine come August 31st. Then I'll worry.
i'm with you on this one. we've got to give it time.
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I`m starting to worry now - I find myself agreeing with both Chris Smith and Peter W ......
This whole issue of not signing X and Y and should we trust Randy et al is all getting rather irksome - why not take a holiday stay away from the internet and newspapers ... come back in two weeks, relaxed and ready to roar the lads on in 2007/8.
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why not take a holiday stay away from the internet and newspapers ... come back in two weeks
Because real life is desperately boring. Hadn't you noticed?
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Damon Green
Because real life is desperately boring. Hadn't you noticed?
Mine certainly isn`t !!!!!!!
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Bastard. I edged the lawn with a pair of scissors today in the hope that it would take longer. Afterwards I looked at my watch and realised only four minutes had passed
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Still no baby Damon?
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No. There she is on the sofa, nose in Harry Potter, with a barrage balloon up her dress.
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Best of luck mate, you tough it out. She's got the right idea, that sounds far better than an ever-perpetuating discussion about our spending "power" these days.
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Is this thinly-disguised off-topic bullshit thread still going? Well I never!
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It's the thread that will never die.
I'm quite worried about that actually.
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Is this thinly-disguised off-topic bullshit thread still going? Well I never!
Nobody forced you to open the page, it isn't compulsory. But then again you choose to live in France.
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No they didn't. And thankfully, it isn't. And who told you I choose to live here? Mebbes I lost my passport twenty years ago and can't get out.
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Bastard. I edged the lawn with a pair of scissors today in the hope that it would take longer. Afterwards I looked at my watch and realised only four minutes had passed
Bah! You'd better get a gaff with a larger lawn ... I'd be worried if I was you.
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No they didn't. And thankfully, it isn't. And who told you I choose to live here? Mebbes I lost my passport twenty years ago and can't get out.
Or were you deported from Birmingham as an undesirable?
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Shit. Robbo has rumbled me.
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You did well, they only sent you across a small channel look where they bloody sent me.
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Is this thinly-disguised off-topic bullshit thread still going? Well I never!
I thought it was the perfect thread for the thinly-disguised off-topic bullshit poster?
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No they didn't. And thankfully, it isn't. And who told you I choose to live here? Mebbes I lost my passport twenty years ago and can't get out.
I doubt that is the case. Every man and his dog can get into the UK without a passport these days.
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No they didn't. And thankfully, it isn't. And who told you I choose to live here? Mebbes I lost my passport twenty years ago and can't get out.
I doubt that is the case. Every man and his dog can get into the UK without a passport these days.
Especially those feckin' Irish.
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Yes and who taught them to play golf eh.
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The asylum seekers?
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Yes and who taught them to play golf eh.
Ah yes there's nothing quite like playing a traditionally British sport and then beating them at it!!! :smt002
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Its Scottish, not British. We only take credit for the good ones.
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Is this thinly-disguised off-topic bullshit thread still going? Well I never!
I thought it was the perfect thread for the thinly-disguised off-topic bullshit poster?
Quite. I had noticed you were a big contributor to this thread.
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Is this thinly-disguised off-topic bullshit thread still going? Well I never!
I thought it was the perfect thread for the thinly-disguised off-topic bullshit poster?
Quite. I had noticed you were a big contributor to this thread.
And the prize for the most expected reply goes to...
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Oooh, I think I got him with that one!
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shaddap. (frowning emoticon)
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I think it's clear reading about his time at Celtic that we've all been banging our heads against the wall for nothing. MON never intended to sign the bulk of new players until the last two days of the transfer window.
He is like those at the supermarket who wait for the butcher to drop the prices of the meat the day before the expiry date.
And what kind of a name is Padraig? except Irish of course.
I'm bored.
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I've said on here before that that is when MON does his work. if we cannot negotiate the first twoo weeks of the season without messing up then whether we get them on Aug 31st, or July 31st is irrelevant. As long as we get them. It can also work in our favour. 4 games in Defoe, SWP find their situation is exactly the same as last season. Then, they are more inclined to jump ship than pre-season when everyone, including players, is full of optimism.
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Problem with the theory though is that it would be difficult to intergrate three or four new players into the side when the seasons under way.
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Problem with the theory though is that it would be difficult to intergrate three or four new players into the side when the seasons under way.
Even if we signed 4 new players, I think the most that would start immediately would be 2 (right back, right midfield?), so it wouldn't be that much of a problem.
'Intergrating' players into the side/squad over close season is perceived wisdom, but may or may not actually be that important.
I often think that managers trot out the "He needs a good pre-season with us, before we can see what he can do" line to cover the fact that they've bought a dud.
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I presume we've all noticed that Eriksson seems to be building a Swedish/Scandi all star team. Is anyone else worried that he may come for our contingent? Also will he sign up our own Edvard Remberg as a Citeh fan?
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Well Eddies from the Faroes so he'll be safe. I wouldn't blink an eyelid if Mellberg was to go if we had a decent replacement. But this season taht looks like Gardner from tottenham
Robbo, I agree to a point but Carew settled quickly. Some do some don't and as Lee said it isn't as if all the new signings would be bloodied at the same time. Apart from a right-back we have cover in all positions, its just that to go on a level we need better qusality in certain positons. IE a wide man, full back, keeper, centre-half.
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Good hat-trick from Luke. maybe we don't need another forward.
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I'm not worried about the signing of Harewood, with JPA and Sutton leaving I see him as the back up to Big John. If Luke Moore can finally reach his potential and Gabby has another good season then we do have great competition up front (I for one would rather see Carew/Moore than Carew/Defoe).
Get us in a decent right ack and another decent midfield player and we will have the makings of a very decent team.
I am not too worried yet, but I will be if we don't sign anyone else before the transfer window ends.
Still then again there's always Mark Delaney. Remember him?
I agree Peter. I think this could be Luke's year.
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Well it needs to be JD. I think he knows its now or never. If he can get a full season under his belt and bang in a few he will save MON 10-15m.
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Agree. I think a fit Luke Moore will bag 15+ goals this season. =D>
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With the midfield we're putting together luke will score goals, he's a natural finisher (I'd actually say he's up there with the best I've seen at the club), he has been at every level with us. The issue he's had is that too often he's either been brought in as a desperate attempt to halt a slide (when Dolly was here) or he's been messed up by injuries just when things have started to click.
I think defoe would be a huge waste of money ths summer. if things don't work out we can always pick up a frontman in january but luke has earned his chance to see if he can do it, lets hope he takes it.
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I actually like the shape of the midfield. The defence is a problem. Right-back, maybe another centre-half, and a keeper. I think we need a wide man as well. The problem being the type of player we need won't come to us to sit on the bench, so we are really looking at squad fillers for now -except t right-back. We need to be in Europe to get better players than the Harewoods of this world. I'll point out that that isn't a knock at Harewood. But, would a Defoe, or Bent, really come to a mid table team?
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That's the thing Peter. If Defoe joined it means neither Luke or Gabby are likely to be first choice. Personally I would like to see them battle it out for one of the forward slots, with the other being Carew with Harewood as back up.
Of course Gabby could also interchange with Young as well, so we are starting to have more options.
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I think as a 4-3-3 Gabby does well on the right. he needed to be dropped, or rested, around Feb/March or even slightly earlier last season, and now we have Harewood he can be.
The jury is still out on Luke Moore for me. He flatters to deceive. Natural finisher yes, but he doesn't break his neck to get into the right position, get the ball on the half-way line and take players on, tring to take players on full stop. He seems too lethargic.
That's why this season needs to be the one where he proves he can not only survive at this level but pushes himself on. For all our gushing over him he should be spotted at International level. He hasn't because he is happy to settle for second best (injurues aside). He needs to pick it up and show that he wants it for himself as much as anything.
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That's why this season needs to be the one where [Luke] proves he can not only survive at this level but pushes himself on.
You could say that about all of our players. We've got lots of good players who've never actually done anything. I think Gareth Barry is great but he's top of the list
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I agree wholeheartedly about gareth barry. I started a thread last year that if we had top 4 aspirations it would be unlikely to include Gareth barry in the team. The thing with Moore is that he tends to have a great game, an okay one, then disappears again for 10 games. He'll come off the bench score a goal and then it'll be back to the, 'Great goalscorer' comments. He might be, he just hasn't proved it.
On another point it would interesting to compare the Premier league credentials of much maligned marlon Harewood, and departed God and mythological Juan Pablo Angel.
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Peter, I think this is the year Luke has to prove himself. MO'N has removed the cotton wall from him and I have the feeling that Luke has been told to prove himself. I can't wait to see what happens..
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They've all had their period of grace. I think the ones who think they don't have to prove themselves are the ones who are leaving.
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I think the edge which Gabby has and will continue to have on Luke is that Gabby does not take the extra split second Luke takes before he pulls the trigger.
Every top flight striker I have ever seen has had instantaneous reactions in the box. The classic example was Jimmy Greaves whose shot was as weak as piss but because he got the shot off in a flash it was bobbling across the goal line before the goalkeeper could straighten his cloth cap. The most instinctive Villa strikers of late are obviously Gary Shaw and Dwight Yorke both of whom needed zero sighting time.
If Luke can develop that sort of reactive speed he can become a great striker but I think our best front three will be John, Ashley and Gabby this season.
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I will admit to being alittle jittery. 8 days to go and 2 players in. A keeper and a right-back are an absolute must. i would have thought the days of having patched up sides, especially for the first game of the season, were long gone. Not that I'm advocating panic buys, but sometimes you have to flex your muscles to get players in quicker and complete outstanding negotiations.
Maybe its agents. Asking too much for them and players. Whatever it is, I'm jittery.
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I think I will join you Peter in asking for a transfer from Worried Ward to Jittery Ward. In fact a natural spin off from this epic thread would be Fans Jittery About Villa Future.
This sale of Ridgewell to Small Heath without having first signed a replacement central defender is a massive piece of circumstantial evidence to support the scenario that Martin ONeill and his advisers are floundering.
We have sold players to the Noses in the past -greater heroes than Bumfluff will ever be - Stan The Wham Lynn, Jimmy Dugdale, even Blessed Sir Brian so that is only a minor irritation compared with the fact that there is daily and growing evidence that Martin ONeill has either voluntarily decided not to pay the asking price of players available or more likely that he has had his money supply turned off and, having sold record season tickets on the strength of a Bright Future nobody at Villa Park has got the balls to tell us.
If you have got a gas leak you do not go looking for it with a lighted candle. If you have a small squad you do not let eight or ten of them leave before you find replacements. To compound this fundamental mismanagement the players we have bought - with the exception of John Carew - have all cost too much and the players we have sold have all been undervalued by comparision with the prices obtained for other players, Marlon Harewood being a typical example.
I am very sorry to say it but I fear the honeymoon with Martin ONeill is very rapidly coming to an end or perhaps if it is a question of him being denied the funds he was promised the honeymoon with the new owner is over.
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I still have complete faith in the manager, and do believe he has people coming in that will make there departure an irrelevance. Ridge, Right-back, etc. However, even if we sign someone next week they have little chance of being ready for the first game of the season. This seems very amateurish at this stage of the pre-season.
You'd prefer to hit the ground running and our only positive now is that the Blackburn game has been put back. Giving us more time to get players and meaning we don't 'lose' games in the getting to know each other process.
Not an ideal position to be in. But to go in to next saturday with only one recognised keeper really is not a healthy position to be in.
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Hello people. I think I need to check in here.
I just don't understand this summer's activities at VP and am really worried that we may be starting our bright future somewhat short of cover in the squad.
<yellow man thingy nervously chewing finger nails>
You're right though Peter, I do like what you've done with the place! :smt002
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It is totally depressing, even if he brings quality in now they will have had no pre season with the rest of the side. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that something is wrong, it looks so amateurish. We are now linked with a 4 million centreback and a loan player at right back. Where has all the optimism gone where has all the free spending disappeared to. Have a look at the os and look at all the players we've been linked with and then look at what we've got, it's almost razor blade time.
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Spot on ROBBO
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Although I agree its worrying I'd rather not panic and wait and get the players we want. That's why I think we didn't go for Luke Young. A player has been identified for the right-back slot and I believe we will get him. Not ideal but Ollie can fill in there. Its the keeping situation which I am worried about. If taylor was to break a finger tomorrow then what? I see this as a make or break decision over the next week. Get the wallet out and get a keeper in. If Sorensen is going to be a week or two then maybe MON is gambling. If he's going to be out for months rather than weeks, and we haven't got a quality replacement, then he definitely is gambling.
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Agree with you Robbo. Amateurish is right. It's all very well saying that signings will come by the end of the month, but the season starts on the 11th!
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Do you have to book yourself in here?
can you come and go as you please?
you see i keep going from worried to calm and trusting every hour or so...i just want this dismal transfer window to be over and to get on with the playing of the football
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Why worry about something that we have no control or influence over?
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No need to be all biblical OCD. But its natural for people to see othe rclubs bringing in players and some people will want a piece. I, too, believe it will happen. Just want it sooner. I suppose its also to do with the fact that for the past few years we've been very underwhelmed by our summer transfer activity. Now we've got some ambition we want to say it. The CEO comes out with 'World-Class signings' which was also quoted in the season-ticket/DVD package I believe. It wasn't quoted then as persoanl opinion but the General is now stating that this is personal opinion. That's nonsense. So, some fans are beginning to worry about what's going on.
I fully expect us to be fine by the 31st. It would nice to be ready for the 11th though.
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Don't get me wrong, when Ellis was in charge summer used to do my nut in because I saw player after player moving to other clubs that I thought would have greatly improved us. Now though, we've got a board that knows what it's doing, huge resources and we've got the best manager we could ask for who is being backed to the fullest.
I haven't got the hang of this worrying thing, have I?
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It takes time. I'm not particularly in a state of worry at the moment. But that is altering farctionally every day.
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I'm slowing falling into a deep dark depression........Quick MO'N and Randy, do something to bring me out of it.... 8-[
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I'm keeping my nerve until 31st. But, as the season is only one week away it would be nice to have a full strength team in place. I'm convinced somebody will come during the week. Hopefully he'll be good enough to slot straight in. But, rejoice, the football season is with us nearly.
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I can't believe that the season is only a week away. I can't wait for the first game, on live over here, although it is on at 4am. It's either an early night (and get up) or a late night for me next weekend.
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I thought it must be time to make my first contribution on this thread.
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I thought it must be time to make my first contribution on this thread.
But are you worried?
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What's frigged me off more than anything this weekend is the fact that the bastard BBC Sport wesite hasn't got a match report from yesterday. Not even a cursory glance. Of course Arsenal and Man U did when they played Inter. They even had pictures. Fuckers. They really will get it up them (London Meejya) when we stuff a few of their clubs this season.
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What's frigged me off more than anything this weekend is the fact that the bastard BBC Sport wesite hasn't got a match report from yesterday. Not even a cursory glance. Of course Arsenal and Man U did when they played Inter. They even had pictures. Fuckers. They really will get it up them (London Meejya) when we stuff a few of their clubs this season.
Oh come on Peter. It wouldn't matter how well we played if we stuffed a few of the London clubs, it would be that they had 'an off day' and 'defended uncharacteristically badly'. Do you really think they'd give us any credit?
Maybe in a year or two they'll have to, or risk looking even sillier than they already do, but not yet.
I see we've allegedly bid for Curtis, Gordon and Hangeland now, but as a newly diagnosed worrier it'll have to be ITSOTP for me!
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Welcome new worrier. However, you'll have to do without these anocronysms. don't forget we're worriers. If you post things like ITSOTP we'll think its some type of code being used against us to try and shut us down.
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Talking of arrogant pricks in the media - has anyone read Joe Lovejoy's assessment of the forthcoming season in the Sunday Times? What a prick.
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Oh and Sky Sports seem to have shown all the friendly highlights except ours. Considering our game should have been the most watchable, shows what tossers they are.
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Talking of arrogant pricks in the media - has anyone read Joe Lovejoy's assessment of the forthcoming season in the Sunday Times? What a prick.
Sunday Times: Aston Villa
2006-7 record: League 11th FA Cup 3rd round Carling Cup 4th round
Manager: Martin O'Neill
Chop rating: 1/5 Canny as ever, Martin O'Neill's dampening down of the enthusiasm generated by Villa's excellent start last season served him well when the inevitable slump came along as Christmas approached. An improvement on 11th is essential, not least as Doug Ellis's departure means O'Neill has lost a wonderful lightning conductor
New faces Much depends on which Nigel Reo-Coker Villa have signed from West Ham, the midfield dynamo of 2005-6 or last season's pale imitation. Harry Forrester has not left school and Marlon Harewood's goalscoring record at the highest level hardly inspires confidence
Player to watch Understandably, O'Neill was concerned that Gabriel Agbonlahor's first full season would end in burnout. Instead, it finished with him being declared Villa's young player of the year and on the fringes of a full international call-up. Both scores and makes goals, and is blessed with breathtaking pace
In an ideal world Ashley Young wakes up, Norway striker John Carew builds on last season's steel-jawed menace in attack and, by May, they don't regret giving two of their better players to Fulham
In the real world The defence still looks a little cumbersome for the challenge posed by the Premier League's leading strikers, but if the correct Reo-Coker has headed up the M6 to Birmingham, he will inject midfield steel and Carew looks as hungry for goals as he ever was. The cups might offer all sorts of salvation
Squad analysis Goalkeepers Thomas Sorensen, Stuart Taylor Defenders Wilfred Bouma, Gary Cahill, Mark Delaney, Martin Laursen, Olof Mellberg, Stephen O'Halloran, Isaiah Osbourne Midfielders Gareth Barry, Patrik Berger, Craig Gardner, Shaun Maloney, Stilian Petrov, Nigel Reo-Coker Forwards Gabriel Agbonlahor, John Carew, Marlon Harewood, Luke Moore, Ashley Young Players in Nigel Reo-Coker (West Ham, £8.5m), Marlon Harewood (West Ham, £4m) Players out Steven Davis (Fulham, £4m), Aaron Hughes (Fulham, £1m), Gavin McCann (Bolton, £1m), Juan Pablo Angel (New York Red Bulls, free), Stephen Henderson (Bristol City, free), Robert Olejnik (Falkirk, free), Jlloyd Samuel (Bolton, free), Lee Hendrie (Sheffield United, free), Chris Sutton (retired), Eric Djemba-Djemba (released), Liam Ridgewell (Birmingham, £2m)
If they were a pop star they would be... Chrissie Hynde Everybody knows who they are, nobody really cares any more
Joe Lovejoy's prediction 10th Faded after that bright start under O'Neill. Scoring was the problem, and the arrival of Harewood should help Title odds 250-1
What a twat.
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Oh and Sky Sports seem to have shown all the friendly highlights except ours. Considering our game should have been the most watchable, shows what tossers they are.
maybe because it was a setana match they don't have the rights?
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Wanker. But that's hoe evryone outside of B6 thinksd. And also, that's why its hard to attract players. We have to rely on the players and MON to do our talking.
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Can't say I'm that fussed about one journo's opinion - a better time to judge the squad's merit's may be when this transfer windows closed.
Here's hoping he's got more players to rate.
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This really has to stop. As a collective group there is a preponderance to wander across to a hint of the up beat when I can see nothing but gloom.
We still have signed only one player, I say one player because i can see the second one going out on loan by November. The amount of faith placed in one man astounds me, Villa supporters better than most should by now have learned to sit on the fence until the proofs in the pudding.
We are so attractive a proposition that some Jock prefers to speak to a newly promoted side who most likely will be back where they belong in a short space of time, than come direct to Villa. Spurs don't seem to have this problem. I can see an avalanche of Harewoods coming to fill the void, they won't actually play any games but the numbers will look good.
I have on medical advice agreed to a brief holiday in the north where the sun is shining and access to a computor is limited, the doc said i have become fixated and am in need of a circuit breaker. HEEEEEELP.
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This really has to stop. As a collective group there is a preponderance to wander across to a hint of the up beat when I can see nothing but gloom.
We still have signed only one player, I say one player because i can see the second one going out on loan by November. The amount of faith placed in one man astounds me, Villa supporters better than most should by now have learned to sit on the fence until the proofs in the pudding.
We are so attractive a proposition that some Jock prefers to speak to a newly promoted side who most likely will be back where they belong in a short space of time, than come direct to Villa. Spurs don't seem to have this problem. I can see an avalanche of Harewoods coming to fill the void, they won't actually play any games but the numbers will look good.
I have on medical advice agreed to a brief holiday in the north where the sun is shining and access to a computor is limited, the doc said i have become fixated and am in need of a circuit breaker. HEEEEEELP.
Keep calm. Walk away from the computer. Switch off the Radio. Switch off the TV. Think of rolling countryside, running water, fields of crops, grass, football ARGHHH!
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Or come and visit the Big brother house. The calmness, tranquility, and witty housemates will keep you engrossed for hours.
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Or come and visit the Big brother house. The calmness, tranquility, and witty housemates will keep you engrossed for hours.
I thought only housemates were allowed to participate in those threads.
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Nah. Just go over there's a great throwing paper into the waste paper basket game. I'm there for hours. Well since the basdtard BB kicked me out of the house I've had a lot of time on my hands.
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I'm now worried we're going to become a clone of the Cleveland Browns. 8 players out. 2 in. (Is that correct?). Perennial underachievers?
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Who did we get in the first draft? You spot any talent in Brazil, Lee?
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I'm now worried that Sunderland are more attractive than us, that Davies will go elsewhere too, and that it'll take until the end of the transfer window for O'Neill to scrape the egg off his face..
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Loads of talent, but Mrs. Legion was with me. Footballing wise, I caught quite a few games on their local TV channels. Extremely skilful players with comical defending at times. Their G-Ks make Sorenson look sublime.
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I'm not worried about Gordon. It seems that it was a done deal and we weren't actually involved. Clubs often do this when an agreement is reached with one club only they will let club B or C know that they are dealing with club A and if that falls through then they can talk to the player. It is clear that we did not have permission to talk to the player.
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I am shitting myself about our current paper thin squad.
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I'm not getting any less worried since my diagnosis. In fact I am getting more and more worried as each day passes. It's all very well those people saying we have a stronger first XI than this time last year, but then at least we had reserves in the stands as well as on the bench!
I've asked The General to send the SEALS around to MON's house to encourage in him 'a greater sense of urgency'. Perhaps this will work and ease the strain for all of us.
Meantime, in conclusion, I am still worried. Very worried.
Is alcohol the answer? Does it work for you guys?
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It's the only thing that does. I think I'm in denial.
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Right, I'm going to buy an off license! Thanks Legion.
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Alcohol nevre works. Just a few signings.
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i'm finally here .... come on MON your driving me back to drink any time now .
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I,M worried MON has left it so late that all prem clubs will close ranks and stall on selling at this late stage realising it will fuck us up big time if we got to go to january with this lot , thus helping those clubs who fear religation fight . I hope I'M wrong ! :-k
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It's the only thing that does. I think I'm in denial.
I thought you went to Brazil
I am worried.
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I did. It was great. It worked whilst away, but upon returning I was amazed to find we have still not added to our roster.
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john cleese walks into a shop called player shop, martin oniel is behind the counter.
JC says i have come to look at your new players
MON you have come to the right place continue
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denial - the nile
shockingly poor I do agree
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Yeah I saw it. It was so bad even I didn't do the 'joke'.
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I am worried we should have signed MON when we had no money, and got in a manager that can spend it when we supposedly have loads.
Right man, wrong time?
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it is always a comforting thought to know that someone has lower standards than yourself.
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Most people seem to be perplexed and frustrated by his lack of action in the transfer market, but look at it this way, Citeh have Sven.
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I am worried we should have signed MON when we had no money, and got in a manager that can spend it when we supposedly have loads.
Right man, wrong time?
My thoughts exactly, Ross.
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I am worried we should have signed MON when we had no money, and got in a manager that can spend it when we supposedly have loads.
Right man, wrong time?
My thoughts exactly, Ross.
I was thinking that this morning too. Have we finally rid ourselves of a penny-pinching Chairman only to find ourselves with a penny-pinching Manager?
Now I'm worried again. I need another off license!
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I'm very interested in contributing to this thread now its finally back on topic, but i need some assurances first.
Is there strict door policy regarding non-worried villa fans, or do you allow the blind optimist riff-raff in?
*fishes in pocket for membership fee*
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Ive managed to get the restrainers off but it won't be long until i'm missed so just a few questions. Do we have any money? if we have why arn't we spending any? Does he still have players lined up? is so why arn't they here already? Does he own a calander? if so can he see the last day of the month on it?
Just a few.... can i finish this sentence please, get off you turd, theyre coming to take me away aha. Heeeelp.
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I will save my worries until after the weekend, I'm worried in case we get any injuries on Saturday. 8-[
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Don't worry about injuries JD we are now a versatile team,a mix and match if you like, so expect to see Carew at centre half, young at full back and Melberg on the wing. See your not worried anymore are you?
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Undoubtedly it would have been nice to see the full team in action for the very first game. But sometimes that doesn't happen. The side that started last season went unbeaten for 9 games and we didn't have the players that we had at the end.
You can argue that that was as much to do with a honeymoon period as anything, but we finished a better stronger outfit. Lasts season we had turned defeats into draws. There is no reason to believe that a year further down the line, that this team cannot start turning the draws into victories.
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I'm worried that we may sign the worst player to of played for Citeh #-o
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Definitely don't want Mills. But...as a back-up to use as and when?
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I don't get the shit with Mills, I've always rated the nasty fucker.
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Definitely don't want Mills. But...as a back-up to use as and when?
Peter even that thought should make you worried! It's certainly worried me. What if MON has the same thought? Jeez, I'm worried. It'll be your fault y'know!
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Mills schmills. If he comes its better than what we currently have there. But, I'd only have him as a back-up as I said. Not particularly impressed with Hoyte or Rosenoir either. But I'm not sure who is out there who is any good.
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Er, Pete - if I signed today I'd be a better right back than what we've already got.
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Mr B I was referring to continuing with what we have rather than buying these players.
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Still worried about the situation at right back. Worried that there is any mention of Danny Mills.
Worried that we won't get anyone decent in before the window shuts.
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I can't think of a decent right-back in the country apart from Gary Neville. Is there anybody else?
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I can't think of a decent right-back in the country apart from Gary Neville. Is there anybody else?
Micah Richards
Daniel Alves (give it a couple of weeks)
Emanuel Eboue
Steve Finnan
Pascal Chimbonda
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Yep. Those 5 are good enough.
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I can't think of a decent right-back in the country apart from Gary Neville. Is there anybody else?
When fit, Mark Delaney. O:) And me.
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I can't think of a decent right-back in the country apart from Gary Neville. Is there anybody else?
We could try looking in other countries I suppose.
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We will sign a right back in the next two weeks. Today I am not worried, the sun is shining, the season is about to start and Villa will win later on today (or tomorrow morning as it is over here).
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We will sign a right back in the next two weeks
Confident???
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We will sign a right back in the next two weeks. Today I am not worried, the sun is shining, the season is about to start and Villa will win later on today (or tomorrow morning as it is over here).
Are you allowed onto this thread claiming not to be worried? :-
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JD. I think we need words...
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Yeah JD, there's loads of upbeat threads for you to post your unfettered optimism in, leave us worriers alone.
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It was a ploy and it didn't last.
Bastard Gerard (great goal though), bastard referee who doesn't know the rules? If a Liverpool player plays the ball then Carew is onside.
I'm worried that referees make their own rules up as they go along and they have been told to piss Villa off. I am worried and I am angry. ](*,)
Is that better??
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You wait all summer for the season to start and it feels like the same as ever. Now we have a confident Newcastle at their place next up. Fucking fuck of a fucking fuck.
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I'm not worried anymore. Quite frankly, I'm terrified.
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We'll get beat next week, then it's Davis & Fulham at home...Oh dear.
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Sack the board...
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We'll get beat next week, then it's Davis & Fulham at home...Oh dear.
we should have a few signings in before Fulham, should.....
I think we will probably scrape a 0-0 and then beat Fulham. I am more positive because chelsea have scored again
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Should. Noses playing well. ](*,)
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Although there is 15 days to go and I should still be trusting MON I cannot help but worry. Its just toooo quiet. If we have got as much cash as has been said, or if Randy is backing any MON deals then why doesn't he just get them in?
I'm arguing against myself now as I know MON is trying to not get ripped off and he has history of doing his deals last minute.
But....
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Even after Sunday I've still got this little voice of doubt at the back of my mind... one swallow doesn't make a summer... every silver lining has a cloud... we've been here before. Am I beyond redemption? Am I too far away to feel the excitement? Is worry so last month?
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This thread is for those who even when things appear to be going okay know full well that disaster and disappointment is lurking around the corner. Those that cannot accept at face value that a player can be a dud one day and a sensation the next. We live in a world of angst envying those that only see brightness and light.
I thank you for resurrecting this thread, it appears that i am not alone even though I have been deserted by many who have had their heads turned by a brief chink of light. Peter W (is he still alive?) Ian b who hasn't been heard of since he got married(isn't that a lesson to us all).
Even my good friend in N.Z no longer posts, probably too busy sheep shagging. They are so fickle.
Welcome to my world.
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Even after Sunday I've still got this little voice of doubt at the back of my mind... one swallow doesn't make a summer... every silver lining has a cloud... we've been here before. Am I beyond redemption? Am I too far away to feel the excitement? Is worry so last month?
Why? We only lost TEN games in all of last season in the Premiership & since the start of February our team is far, far stronger than August 2006
My advice to you is to relax a little, indeed chill & let Martin O`Neill worry about the team tatics, meanwhile enjoy the ride. Aston Villa are on the rise & rise, European football beckons for the boys in Claret & Blue!
Ps, Hold on to your seat!
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You really don't get it do you?
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You really don't get it do you?
I understand.
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Nice to see the voices of sanity return.
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I'm seriously worried that there are some people who aren't worried! :-)
I'm also worried that this thread is under threat of either redundancy or being taken over by non-worriers or even worse serious postings.
The only hope is that this thread is bought by an american billionaire…
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Robbo, I'm here. Just been on my hols and my PM previously explained my problem of night-crawling as I'd wish.
I agree with everything you've said. I still look at Man City as a definite fuck-up. The day we go there, or somewhere like there and win after beating a top side at home is the time we have belief. Call me a cynic, call me a worrier, but we have been here too mant times for me to get nothin but frustrated. Brilliant Sunday, yes, but can we kick on?
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Indeed
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We already beat Fulham, hammered Wrexham and then beat the champions elect, we've already kicked on.
I take your point though, no chance that we'll beat Man City.
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We've kicked on nowhere. Last season we got 40 thousand at home to Tottenham waiting to see if we werte ready to 'kick on'. We nearly fucked thsat up. And gave a typical Villa response to the expecting fans. We went to Chelsea in our droves and were pummelled. We've been here too many times before. We have no ight back apart from a centre-half hoofer. No midfield playmaker. No 20 a season goal getter. In all honesty a better suqaud and first eleven last year, but only a 6th - 10th team. We can go higher then that but need luck with injuries and suspensions. We need one player to get a lot of goals and I don't see who that is.
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Peter that may all be true but its a bit serious for this thread? :-)
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Peter, I bow to your worry ability
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This thread is for those who even when things appear to be going okay know full well that disaster and disappointment is lurking around the corner. Those that cannot accept at face value that a player can be a dud one day and a sensation the next. We live in a world of angst envying those that only see brightness and light.
I thank you for resurrecting this thread, it appears that i am not alone even though I have been deserted by many who have had their heads turned by a brief chink of light. Peter W (is he still alive?) Ian b who hasn't been heard of since he got married(isn't that a lesson to us all).
Even my good friend in N.Z no longer posts, probably too busy sheep shagging. They are so fickle.
Welcome to my world.
You don't think I'm Welsh do you Robbo?
I've not long started a new job and have been busy with that at the moment, so haven't had a lot of time to post. It has been worrying me (not posting that is, not the job).
My biggest worry is that Smug McClaren has suddenly realised that Villa have English players and will injure them in training so we can't use them.
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JD it is well known that all Kiwis are sheep shaggers, not you of course as you come from normal stock but it did get your attention.
I am off on a Golfing long weekend so cannot fly the flag again until next Tuesday when we will all be concerned at all our injuries following the Internationals and how we will field a side against Man City.
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I was a bit worried there for a minute Robbo then I remembered that I'm not a Kiwi. My Kiwi Wife does wear a sheepskin coat though.
You have a good time off golfing and let us worry about Villa. You just concentrate on worrying about your handicap.
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Has he named the squad yet then? McClaren that is. Oh and Robbo, you give us some stick then bugger off? Now I'm worried that JD and I will not be able to sail this worry ship alone.
i love this NZ - Aussie rivalry. Its like watching two distant relatives who are harmless have a feud.
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Good to see that the hard core worriers are still fretting away. I salute you!
Is there more worry when there are no actual matches to distract? There was definitely more worry during the off-season and the international break is a mini version of that. Stands to reason that there should be an outbreak.
And all that sounds worryingly like addiction. I am a Villa addict. I want my next fix.
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I was a bit worried there for a minute Robbo then I remembered that I'm not a Kiwi. My Kiwi Wife does wear a sheepskin coat though.
You have a good time off golfing and let us worry about Villa. You just concentrate on worrying about your handicap.
Now you mention it i am worried about my handicap, played well enough to get down to 17 and playing like a fourteen handicapper but alas it all went to shit and i am back to 19 handicap, and people wonder why I worry a lot.
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Has he named the squad yet then? McClaren that is. Oh and Robbo, you give us some stick then bugger off? Now I'm worried that JD and I will not be able to sail this worry ship alone.
i love this NZ - Aussie rivalry. Its like watching two distant relatives who are harmless have a feud.
Barry, Young and Carson have made the squad Mr Winters. Hence that's why I mentioned them getting injured at training, as I doubt the smug twat will play any of them.
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Thanks JD. Any other Villa players playing in other National teams?
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Mellberg.
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It seems Barry may actually get a game, the ironic thing being it will be in the cental of midfeld. Hope Ashley Youngs on the bench could be a good impact making sub.
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Trawling the BBC I see nobody is injured. I hope. Makes a change.
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Still the midweek games to go though Peter. I'm now worried that Barry will get splinters sitting on the bench because McSmug will pick Hargreaves ahead of him. ](*,)
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I am worried that this weeks game may determine our season, If we have progressed at all we should dispose of the vermin with ease and stay in the top half, lose and we will again be counted as nothing more than a mid to lower half club.
On paper we have the better side but i have a terrible feeling about this game.
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A welcome return of an old friend. I'm posting this half cut so should the unmentionable happen then I'll be - I was going to say okay - but I won't. Forget everything lets beat these cocks and tehn carry with trying to get into Europe. Let them only prepare for 2 games a season, we'll prepare for a bid or a European spot AND beating them as thats all they have. Come on Villa.
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Well half time and i'm worried Barry will get sent off.
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I'm worried that noone posted on the worried thread for almost TWO MONTHS until Robbo did.
What the f**k is going on?
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We've all been too worried about today's game to post on here.
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I'm worried that we might have used up all the luck we're going to get from referees for the rest of the season.
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I'm worried that we might have used up all the luck we're going to get from referees for the rest of the season.
2nd one wasn't a penalty. 1st one wasn't easy to spot, for shame.
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I'm worried that noone posted on the worried thread for almost TWO MONTHS until Robbo did.
What the f**k is going on?
A general air of smugness pervades this site at the moment, i resurrected this thread as a dire warning that as Villa fans we know that we are only one game away from misery.
The win against the dire will only reinforce the view that all is nirvana in Aston, in my book not until we win the European cup again and are spoken about as equels with Manu and Liverpool.
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Well done Robbo I salute you with a slightly trembling worried hand.
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I'm worried that noone posted on the worried thread for almost TWO MONTHS until Robbo did.
What the f**k is going on?
A general air of smugness pervades this site at the moment, i resurrected this thread as a dire warning that as Villa fans we know that we are only one game away from misery.
The win against the dire will only reinforce the view that all is nirvana in Aston, in my book not until we win the European cup again and are spoken about as equels with Manu and Liverpool.
I stopped posting on this thread as no-one was replying and I was getting worried that I was talking to myself. 8-[ It's like the return of one of your old friends.
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Must admit JD i had rather lapsed myself as I enjoy nothing more than a bit of conflict and it had become akin to a love in on here, but i have set new goals and will not be satisfied with anything less than top spot, so woe betide anyone telling me that a top eight position is good enough for my team this year. And i have very long arms.
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I agree with you Robbo. It does feel like the start of a long journey. I want top spot not 6th or 7th. not sure we'll get it for a while, if at all, but I want these games to be routine wins in years to come.
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I just hope that after the disappointment of losing to Leicester in the League Cup we can have a decent FA Cup run this season and a top 8 finish. Nothing less than that this season will satisfy me.
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I'm worried that we'll be drawn against ManUre yet again.
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So am I Legion. Maybe this year the FA will be kind to us though.
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Maybe a pig will land on my chocolate fireguard and interrupt my rain knitting.
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Maybe a pig will land on my chocolate fireguard and interrupt my rain knitting.
Let's leave 'Gold' out of this eh? He's suffered enough. No fuck him!
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I am worried that the Scum might beat us at VP to stay up.
And then we will have to worry about beating them all over again without getting out heads kicked in next year.
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I'm worried that we'll be drawn against ManUre yet again.
No need to worry Leeg, it's our gap year.
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I'm not worried about The Shit. More that we need to be in Europe next season to attract the better quality of players that we need throughout the squad. We were better than the Shit for 35 minutes of the first half on Sunday, and they were better than us for about the same time in the second half, and yet we scored and NRC should have. They only had one attempt on goal as well as the goal itself. As for the ref? feck em.
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I agree Peter. To move forward we just have to get into Europe for next season. To attract top players we must have European football.
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I still feel that we haven't clicked yet. We showed what we can do in the last few games of last season. The season finished 5 games too early for us. If we can click into gear sooner rather than later we'll gallop up the table. Otherwise we'll tread water again. Which will put us on the back foot through the summer. And MON may well be sweating also.
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I still feel that we haven't clicked yet. We showed what we can do in the last few games of last season. The season finished 5 games too early for us. If we can click into gear sooner rather than later we'll gallop up the table. Otherwise we'll tread water again. Which will put us on the back foot through the summer. And MON may well be sweating also.
Agree, I think the minimum for this season is Uefa qualification as we'd be 2 years into the so called '5 year plan' with no real progress and to be challenging for the Champions league 3 years after this season, then Uefa is the minimum for this season
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As i said at the start of the season, if we don't get close to Europe position wise then i think MON will be under enormous pressure. However, I do think we are good enough to get there.
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I thought this was the 'worried' thread?
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We are worried OCD. We are only 4 points away from 4th place with a game in hand and we are worried that we now may have to get into Europe.
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I still feel that we haven't clicked yet. We showed what we can do in the last few games of last season. The season finished 5 games too early for us. If we can click into gear sooner rather than later we'll gallop up the table. Otherwise we'll tread water again. Which will put us on the back foot through the summer. And MON may well be sweating also.
Agree, I think the minimum for this season is Uefa qualification as we'd be 2 years into the so called '5 year plan' with no real progress and to be challenging for the Champions league 3 years after this season, then Uefa is the minimum for this season
I agree, if we qualify for Europe we can attract better players and move on. If not, we may be in danger of stagnating or missing our opportunity.
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I still feel that we haven't clicked yet. We showed what we can do in the last few games of last season. The season finished 5 games too early for us. If we can click into gear sooner rather than later we'll gallop up the table. Otherwise we'll tread water again. Which will put us on the back foot through the summer. And MON may well be sweating also.
Easy peter, mix your metaphors like that and i'm worried you'll regret it in the morning
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I agree, if we qualify for Europe we can attract better players and move on. If not, we may be in danger of stagnating or missing our opportunity.
I can see that players would be attracted by teams playing in the Champions League but I wonder if they are that arsed about playing in the UEFA cup in front of two thousand nazis in some godforsaken ex-Soviet enclave. Or Blackburn.
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Happy to be back.
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The UEFA Cup does attract players. What got a player as good as Berbatov to Spurs? European football with the impetus of ambition. If we can match European football with the ambition seemingly being shopwn then my similes will be like a metaphor galloping towards a bright horizon.
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The UEFA Cup does attract players. What got a player as good as Berbatov to Spurs?
The bright lights of London and £60k a week?
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Yeah, but Tottenham????
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I AM WORRIED
That McClown will get the sack and MON will get the England job
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I don't think MO'N will leave Villa for the England job, but it is a worry that his name is being linked. It's being done to unsettle Villa's surge up the table I tell you. ](*,)
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I am not a gambling man ( I would worry too much) but if i were there's nothing more certain than MON staying at Villa if he were to leave however i believe we are now in the position of attracting the best managers going. So get back to worrying about more important things.
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Such as?
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Such as?
The fact that no one voted for me on who would you miss thread but found a place for you. I am easily upset.
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Your obviously irreplaceable and i'm not, wouldn'y you be upset?
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Go to the 'snookering the threads' thread and vent your spleen there.
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Go to the 'snookering the threads' thread and vent your spleen there.
Why would you want to do that?
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Okay. So what am I really worried about at the moment? Mainly that this is going to be harder to achieve than the board think. 'This' being getting out of the middle-tier malaise and breaking through to Europe. And we have to do it regularly. I think this is the bit that is difficult. Once we are in Europe regularly the money and ambition will give us the impetus to break into the top 4 very quickly. I think this season is pivotal. You can't have an ambitious club that is not moving as quickly as ambitious players. We currently have a set of ambitious players and the club has to deliver what is trying to promise - Europe and success.
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I agree that although we seem to have improved the gap between us and the top four is as big as ever. The signal of intent by buying a couple of already established top class players hasn't materialised in fact a couple of players we have bought in would seem to determine us as a battling club.
Beating the dire will comfort some but I look at the bigger picture and we have not looked impressive over the last few weeks.
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I agree we haven't looked impressive but as I've said previously I think we'll click at some point. Last season we only did it in the last 9 games, and in some of those we looked very very good. We haven't looked as good yet but I think we will go on a run of winning games. We're still a relatively young side that will be prone to inconsistency. We will get better. This season even.
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I agree that although we seem to have improved the gap between us and the top four is as big as ever. The signal of intent by buying a couple of already established top class players hasn't materialised in fact a couple of players we have bought in would seem to determine us as a battling club.
Beating the dire will comfort some but I look at the bigger picture and we have not looked impressive over the last few weeks.
The top 4 are the top 4 because they hardly ever lose to anyone except each other. Between them they've played 50 games this season and only lost 3 and one of those was us beating Chelsea. At the moment I don't think it's particularly relevant or helpful to measure ourselves against those sides as they've had years of champions league money to bolster them. We need to walk before we can run.
The teams we should be comparing ourselves against are those in the next tier - Everton, Newcastle, Spurs, West Ham etc. So far we've done fairly well against them and we're well placed to challenge for 5th or 6th place. We've become a team that is generally difficult to beat and although not prolific in front of goal have failed to score in only two games this season. We've lost at home against 2 of the top 4 but other than that have won the other 5 conceding only 1 goal in the process. We've only lost once away from Villa Park.
We struggle to dominate teams for 90 minutes at the moment but there have been periods in most games where we have looked impressive and other times when we've looked less so but the good is outweighing the bad by a considerable distance at the moment.
The bigger picture is we're better than we were this time last years and as a club we're clearly going forward and it is, in my opinion, only impatience stopping some people from seeing this.
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A measured view Chris - most fans are impatient, however from my point of view we have seen great strides taken by the club to improve things off the pitch - those on the pitch will evolve in time when our manager knits together a blend of youth and experience.
Like many (I hope) visiting VP on match days is once again an enjoyable experience rather than a chore.
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Disregarding the fact that I go once or twice a season it is never a chore for me. For those that go regularly it does not seem to be a chore. We've added 3 or 4 thousand onto our average gate. You can put some of it down to just blind optimism, a lot of it down to the board/MON, and even more down to the team looking like they could develop into something special.
There is still a lot of work to do and the difficulty is keeping the team together before we make a tilt at the top 4. Which is not a million miles away. Most seasons the team in 4th are not that far away from the team in 5th. What is needed is what we don't have at the moment and thats consistency. age will improve that. So, will buying better players. But for that to happen we need to be challenging for Europe first, and then challenging in Europe.
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I think I've taken a wrong turn, I thought this was the 'Fans Worried Over Villa Future' thread.
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Disregarding the fact that I go once or twice a season it is never a chore for me. For those that go regularly it does not seem to be a chore. We've added 3 or 4 thousand onto our average gate. You can put some of it down to just blind optimism, a lot of it down to the board/MON, and even more down to the team looking like they could develop into something special.
There is still a lot of work to do and the difficulty is keeping the team together before we make a tilt at the top 4. Which is not a million miles away. Most seasons the team in 4th are not that far away from the team in 5th. What is needed is what we don't have at the moment and thats consistency. age will improve that. So, will buying better players. But for that to happen we need to be challenging for Europe first, and then challenging in Europe.
We can't let another transfer window go by without signaling our intent. Sign Carson, sign a classy right back, sign Riquelme and sign Huntelaar. That will do to kick us onwards and upwards. O:) O:)
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My point exactly, yes it will take time to get among the elite but apart from Young all our buys have been unimpressive to say the least, buy a couple of great players and get us all exited and stop me from worrying.
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I am still worried. I am worried about Gabby's knee, Laursen's contract, McLaren's shelflife, MON's ego, the General's back, Ashley Young's sinuses, and a whole bunch of other things which will keep me worried for quite a while to come.
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But realistically we cannot offer Huntelaar, Riquelme, and players of that ilk what they want. Exposure through European football and/or success through winning trophies. So, we are not at that level yet. MON is going to have to work with the Zat Knights, Marlon Harewoods, and Curtis Davies's of the footballing world until they get the club in a position to tempt those types of players.
The January sales wil be crucial. But only to a point. The better placed we are in the league the better chance we will have of recruiting decent players. However, clubs very rarely let decent players go in January. They are too important. So, we will be looking at squad players at other clubs. We may get a few players but not ones that everyone is hoping for. It will be in the summer that happens.
Why would Rangers, in the CL, let their right-back go to Villa? Why would he want to at this point of the season? Or at this point of his career? The same for Bentley? The decent players are playing for decent clubs who are likely to be having hal-decent seasons. They won't sell simply because we want them to.
Its going to be difficult for MON. Can he keep the club paced in line with the stated ambition? I think so but it will be hard. How long will the board give him? How long will the fans give him?
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I think Riquelme just wants to play and Huntelaar is not currently playing in Europe, so maybe if the Club was sold to them properly???
Although, it was a bit tongue in cheek, we should be at least trying to target these kind of players.
Now I'm worried that Gabby will be out for a while. ](*,) Best read the other threads.
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Why read the other threads when everything is covered here in one fell swoop?
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I'm worried that we Aussies are being discriminated against, started a new thread ,had a reply, then the thread disappears. Have I offended those on high?
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I'm worried that we Aussies are being discriminated against, started a new thread ,had a reply, then the thread disappears. Have I offended those on high?
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=21373&highlight= Its here its been merged
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Are you all getting paranoid on New Zealands West Island Robbo, that there's some sort of conspiracy against you. 8-[
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I am now, they had the bloody cheek to merge me, as if my golden words were not good enough to stand on their own.
Have you heard that record numbers of Kiwis are coming into Australia? you'll soon have the place to yourself.
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All the simple Kiwis going to Australia, a big increase in English coming to New Zealand. It really is starting to become a home away from home Robbo.
Did you know there are now more kids over here playing football than Rugby.
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Well the Poms would be used to the cold weather so thats an advantage I bet they are all old English as against new English see over here we are different we let any bugger in.
My wife keeps nagging about a visit but she's got Buckleys.
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Oi Robbo. You're a pom. be proud that we are recolonising the antipodes. The one we've got is shite so we want to take your two places back. If you don't mind.
Anyway, it'll be an interesting game tomorrow. Has Carson's concentration/confidence been knocked indellibly? Will MON be able to get everyone's mind on the game? How will the fan's react on both sides of the ground?
We will be getting a lot of stick from Boro fans, you'd guess. how we react is the measure of the team. I stopped believing in The Clown a week after we beat The Shit 1-0 and meekly lost at home to Wigan 2-0. It proved there and then that he wasn't up to it. MON has a similar situation tomorrow. We beat The Shit 2-1, there's been a week off poor international performances by two of our players and so they got lamabasted. The manager is linked with the International job. have we got the stomach, the skill, the manager, to bring us through all of that and get the 3 points?
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I think the MON announcement will give us a kick along but i am still not convinced that the style of play MON is after is going to excite us.
He seems to me to be an old fashioned coach. It's a worry.
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I think we are more exciting than people give us credit for. It is simply that we haven't got going yet. We were playing great football at the end of last season. Against Chelsea we gave them the ball in areas that they couldn't hurt us. When we got the ball we looked to break with pace. Even that means hitting it to Carew, who is no slouch himself, for him to hold it for Gabby, Young, et al to join him.
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I agree Peter (sorry Robbo). I think MO'N is building an exciting team and whereas it is far from complete, what we do now have are different options and an ability to change personnel and game plans.
I should be worried, but this morning I'm not. [-(
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I may have to see about getting you two deregistered your a complete disgrace to the ideals of this thread. We now have a labour government in all states and federally, i feel unbalanced.
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I realise that I am becoming a liberal worrier but my worry is that MON is being burdened with too much hope from the fans. What happens if it doesn't work. Another false dawn? How long will the Yanks give it. if we can get it right over the next 18 months or so, which i think is crucial to the whole 5 year plan thing, then we will really take off.
I find it interesting that the board say that we are trying to be in a place to qualify for Europe regualarly in 3 and a hlaf years time. (Part of the 5 year plan) Yet when they and MON first came in the talk was of Champions League. They realise how difficult it is. So, will we still be getting 40 000 for games against Derby/West Ham etc next season if we finish outside of Europe this season?
There is a tangible progression of the team. Slower than that of the club, but real all the same. I just hope the fans will allow for any set-backs.
What if we were to finish like this over the next two seasons
11th (last year)
7th - this season
7th - next season
Will fans hold on? When we last won the league it followed to seasons of being 7th. Or something like one 7th spot finish, and then an 8th spot. if that was to happen will we be able to convince Gabby/Young et al to stick with us? We need to be building a team quickly around thiese players to convince them we can match their abilities and ambition this season and next. Obviously, MON is trying to do that. But, this is where I do worry. The lack of European football next season is tantamount to playing Russian Roulette the season after. We absolutely must finish in a European place. I don'tt hink Europe vis the League Cup would keep hold of our better players after the 3rd season if we aren't progressing closer to the top 4.
Anyway, John Blackwell inspired dissertation over.
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Very John Blackwellesque then...
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That would be your gut obscuring your view. Fattie.
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Don't worry, we all stopped reading after the third line.
Credit to you for your perserverance :smt002
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That's the way Ian a good dose of despondancy never goes astray, if my failing memory serves me right we were travelling well this time last season only to fall into a hole. What short memories some people have.
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A whole that was only lifted by a couple of late goals at home to Watford. The next two games will give us a telling indication of what we can realistically expect from this season. The league has split into two, rather oddly, rather than a top two, another three, another group of 5 or 6, and then the bottom lot. Our 9 straight points have taken us from 9th to 7th. A win on Wednesday will be a good marker. But if we don't win I think it will show that we aren't ready yet to get into Europe. That saying if we belt them from arsehole to earhole and come away with a 1-1 or a 2-2 then it will be another story. Its the performance and attitude that we need to look for.
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I confess I don't follow the UK football scene like you guys; half the time I don't even know what's going on at VP.
I just feel that whatever propaganda our new owners trot out, their main interest is playing safe and spending as little money as possible to ensure we remain a mid order club a safe distance from the 'drop zone'.
Quite apart from the fun involved in owning a foorball club; an owner should be making a modest return on his investment, as well as enjoying a serious capital appreciation.
European qualification would be a lucrative bonus, but not worth the outlay required to buy the stars who would ensure it.
I did some numbers, (perhaps I'll post them as a separate thread), on the sheer variety of League and Cup winners down the years; and how dramatically this variety has disappeared in the last decade or so.
Regrettably, I fear we are destined to remain mid table 'goal fodder' for the big boys until there's a fundamental change of the rules.
For me it should be quite simple: You use international players: you play in international competitions.... but only those using exclusively British players play in domestic competitions.
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A whole that was only lifted by a couple of late goals at home to Watford. The next two games will give us a telling indication of what we can realistically expect from this season. The league has split into two, rather oddly, rather than a top two, another three, another group of 5 or 6, and then the bottom lot. Our 9 straight points have taken us from 9th to 7th. A win on Wednesday will be a good marker. But if we don't win I think it will show that we aren't ready yet to get into Europe. That saying if we belt them from arsehole to earhole and come away with a 1-1 or a 2-2 then it will be another story. Its the performance and attitude that we need to look for.
I'll be happy with a draw tomorrow. It would be great if we could then follow this up with a win against Arsenal. They've lost their unbeaten record and air of invicibility tonight, with Fabregas going off injured (please don't be fit Saturday [-o< ).
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I am worried we will lose the next three in a row, and the Gooner one by a lot. All very well to scrape a two-nil defeat and when you are Wigan playing Fabregas-less Gooners straight after an international week, but we aren't.
On the other hand, we may make it six in a row.
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Bloody hell Bobby. Not sure if that's top drawer worrying or just morbid footballicide.
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I like him.
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He's definitely got something. Longevity though?
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He's not here today.
I'm worried that the site keeps having a melt down every time Villa play. ](*,)
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When the site crashes, we score.
More crashes, please!
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I'm worried about the long term outlook for this thread :inappropriate smiley emoticon:
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I'm not. There'll be plenty more for us to worry about in the future.
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We still need 13 points to avoid relegation. I don't know where we are going to get those from. I'm worried.
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I quite like (well very much like) this winning of games things and I'm worried that my expectations have been raised and whether we can continue this run. (but enjoying every moment of it)
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I'm worried that some posters are not paying attention as we were again relegated to a lower division.
Villajk I am with you, we are all being led down the we are great street and over confidence can lead you to let down Boulevard.
We had everything going for us at Blackburn but this week we come up against a class side, i'm hoping for the best but fearing the worst.
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I agree Robbo. Secretly I am dreading the game this weekend, as it is on live at a reasonable time over here in NZ (6am). I know I will get up to watch it but I just hope we live up to our changed expectation of getting a result.
I liked it more when I didn't expect to get anything out of games like this Saturday. ](*,)
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That was the problem I endured when we were going for the title in 89/90. More than 92/93. We should have won the league in 89-90 but then blew it. We expected wins and to be able to grab the title in unsurpassed. So, to face up to deflated defeats/draws was awful. When you're used to losing another one just gets a disappointed shrug of the shoulders. But when you get close to something...Such as that day in 2000...I'm refusuing to get carried away because after Saturday we could all be back to saying Petrov is shit, Gabby is looking tired, Carew is a carthorse, Zat Knight is shit, and Mellberg is way past his best and is more likely to play for Jew Hate Us than Jooventus.
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I promised myself I wouldn't post on the Worrieds anymore, but it's no good, I am worried we are all believing our own publicity, and are due a fall on Saturday.
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I agree VillaVa. Lets hope were both wrong though..
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Which leads me to a dilema. Do I set the alarm and wake up at 4.30 am and watch it live or do i record. The problem with recording is that there is a temptation to look for the result first but then if we lose i won't want to watch.
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I'm worried that ROBBO is really considering not watching the match.
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Which leads me to a dilema. Do I set the alarm and wake up at 4.30 am and watch it live or do i record. The problem with recording is that there is a temptation to look for the result first but then if we lose i won't want to watch.
Didn't realise Cairns was an hour behind! So, its 12.45 am. The bar at the hotel as just closed. No-one around and no footie on the hotel teely in the room. So, do I just stay here and get bitten by mozzies? Try the old 2 hour sleep trick? Or just go to bed?
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Well i did go to bed and record but i couldn't get to sleep worrying, finally dropped of but woke after 3 hours and just had to watch it.
Just as i thought it would finish and in the long run it may be for the better, if we had won then the expectations would be far ahead of our talent as it is MON will have seen our weaknesses against a bloody good side.
For what it's worth Gabby needs a rest, Gardner is not ready and the little fella is not up to the premiership. We have a good nucleous but really need more quality.
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i'll be in NZ somewhere next saturday JD, what time is the Villa game on and what channel? Do any NZ channels have it on?
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i'll be in NZ somewhere next saturday JD, what time is the Villa game on and what channel? Do any NZ channels have it on?
Who did you upset?
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i'll be in NZ somewhere next saturday JD, what time is the Villa game on and what channel? Do any NZ channels have it on?
Who did you upset?
General Musharraf
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i'll be in NZ somewhere next saturday JD, what time is the Villa game on and what channel? Do any NZ channels have it on?
Who did you upset?
Mrs. Winters?
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i'll be in NZ somewhere next saturday JD, what time is the Villa game on and what channel? Do any NZ channels have it on?
Peter, the game is on live at around 1.30am on Sunday morning (on Sky Sports 2), followed by a full replay of the game sometime on Sunday afternoon.
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I am terribly worried because I was right to be worried last week about Saturday.
Now I am also worried because we are due for some injuries and if Gabby and Laursen get injured (for example) we are in big big trouble.
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i'll be in NZ somewhere next saturday JD, what time is the Villa game on and what channel? Do any NZ channels have it on?
Peter, the game is on live at around 1.30am on Sunday morning (on Sky Sports 2), followed by a full replay of the game sometime on Sunday afternoon.
No hospitality on offer then?
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i'll be in NZ somewhere next saturday JD, what time is the Villa game on and what channel? Do any NZ channels have it on?
Peter, the game is on live at around 1.30am on Sunday morning (on Sky Sports 2), followed by a full replay of the game sometime on Sunday afternoon.
No hospitality on offer then?
He's a miserable frigger, eh? I'm half way round the world and he still won't invite somone off the internet round at half one in the morning. Just tell your wife that your staying p as you're waiting to meet somebody off the internet. She'll be right.
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Peter if you are in Christchurch at the weekend you are more than welcome to stay over and watch the match live at my place, or even in town at one of the bars.
It's not Australia here you know, people here are civilised. :smt002
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Don't forget to rub noses Pete it's a done thing over there, and get someone to take a photo, i can't wait.
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Very funny Robbo. :smt002
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Just trying to sort a car now in Auckland and decide what to do and where to go. Maybe Rotorua, Lake Taupo, Milford Sound etc not to sure. We'll end up in Christchurch on the 10th for a flight back to Auckland. Probably.
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Pete I should have warned you, the automobile thingy hasn't reached there yet, how are you with sheep. Smiley thingy.
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In Rotorua now. Hurry up JD I need some South Island tips. Will get there tomorrow. Driving down to Wellington tonight before a whistle stop tour of whatever is worth seeing in 2 days.
Oh, and I'm worried I've paid no attention to football all week that the game will pass me by whenever it is against whoever we're playing this weekend.
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Am i too old to apply for a job like yours? it seems you spend most of your time globe trotting. JD has to work for a living you will probably see more of NZ than he has. What's the weather like?
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The weathers fine Robbo. To keep you up to date, Peter is currently driving down to Wellington. I will call him later this evening (probably about 10 minutes into the Phoenix game when they are losing to Perth).
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I can't get in to the A league it seems so second rate.
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It is Robbo. Shocking game last night, at least the Phoenix won. =D>
Spoke to Peter last night and will hopefully catch up with him in a couple of days here in Christchurch for a beer or two. :smt002
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I hate to be the portent of doom, well i don't really but i have the uneasy feeling that we will lose at Sunderland, that will make it three in a row and it will start to mirror last season.
It all comes back to the midfield again we have no class there and no matter how good the attack and defence is without a strong midfield we will go nowhere.
I think Melberg has been okay this season but would much rather see him along side Laurson.
JD have you caught up with Pete yet, shouldn't be hard to spot in NZ.
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Think thats a bit harsh considering Barry is generally our best players (hes allowed a mare every now and then), Young has been one of our other best players and after that our other midfielders are at least as good as Sunderland's. Hopefully Petrov will be fit as well, anyone got any news on that?
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The reason our away form is so good is that we play on the break virtually bye passing midfield, when at home other teams do the same to us and we don't have the midfield to break them down.
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Just got to Karachi after 24 hours travelling - still haven't finished. Good to meet up with JD in a very warm Christchurch.
1 bloody 1? I haven't followed any of the match details now but these are games we have to be winning f this season is a serious assault on Europe. Finishing in8th or lower will serverly hamper MON's plans for next season and the type of players we can attract. I do believe that this side will be inconsistent this season and go on winning runs and less profitable runs like the current one. However, we should be able to go to teams in the bottom 3 and win games by now. We don't want MON to enter into the midway point of the 5 year plan with us no further foward in our assault on trying to even get close to the top 6 than we are now.
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I am worried that I will freeze my bits off on Saturday.
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There's more important thing to worry about than your bits. I have a sinking feeling that we will lose again and the gnashing of teeth will begin.
MON missed the boat in the summer and we are going to feel the pain.
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Its a definite worry. For all the good work of November a defeat would begin to undo it. A draw is just treading water so a win is needed.
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I'm worried that if we can't beat Man City at home then we will start to slip away from the top 7 or 8 in the league, with Chelski away the next game. We must win on Saturday to stay in touch.
Sorry Robbo & Peter that I haven't been atround much, been in Auckland working.
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That all chestnut. Is it stillr aining in Auckland? raining when I got there. Raining the next day. Raining when I returned from Christchurch. Raining when I got the plain to Sydney the next day.
Not sure where you're staying JD but there's a great chinese called something like 'Love a Duck', or 'Gawd love a Duck' (I may have added the first word inm my mind since). Its at the bottom of Anzac Parade (St, or Rd). Actually really good food, and uts an eaterie that stays open leter than 9.30pm which in New Zealand I found to be a rarity.
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What kind of weather were you expecting? it's bloody New Zealand for Gods sake, didn't you notice an hour into the flight to Sydney that all the passengers were changing into their shorts and getting the suncream out?
I fully expect any day now that JD will decide his future lies in Melbourne voted the most liveable city in the world, and i will be at Tullamarine to welcome a fellow Villa supporter. As long as he doesn't want to move in.
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Very good Robbo. While I was baking in 30c+ on Sunday I thought I would watch a bit of cricket from Sydney, but alas it was rained off :- .
You are right Peter, it rains nearly every day in Auckland at some point (28 out of every 30 days). A bit like Manchester in that respect.
You wont get me living in Melbourne Robbo, although I will try to visit in the near future. I'm going to The Gold Coast in February and will try and get back to Australia (hopefully Melbourne) later next year.
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Manchester or Auckland? Hmmmmm.
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Hard choice Peter. I do like Auckland, but I couldn't live there.
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I can see why after being in Christchurch. Is the Man City game on live in NZ? Aus?
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We have the choice of three games Villa being one of them but it's not the main game so cannot be recorded. 2am in the bloody morning it is then.
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Under HDE, I used to be permanently depressed.
Now, I'm permanently worried.
Is this an improvement?
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The full game is on in NZ with a delayed start time of 6am. :smt002
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I'm worried that Peter W and Robbo don't post on this thread anymore. Hope it's not too hot over xmas guys, it has been a lovely bearable 25c here today. Great day for sitting on the deck with a beer looking over the Canterbury Plains to the Southern Alps. :smt002
Oh yeah, sorry I'm supposed to be worried. Well I'm worried I might explode if I eat or drink anymore today, but what the fuck, time for another glass of chilled Marlborough Matua Reserve Sav Blanc. :smt030
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Well after taking the piss over your weather the gods payed me back.It bucketed down for four days but thankfully it was a sunny day today. All the rellies have gone home so i get to relax before bed, glad it only comes round once a year.
I think we are in for a tough few weeks JD so hold on to your hat.
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Happy Xmas JD, Robbo. Hope you both had a good 'un. I'm worried that we may now got through the whole of december without a victory. Still, it was about 3 months long last year, this winless streak, so it is an improvement of sorts.
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Did you get to see the game at all JD?
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My son woke me at 2.30 am coming in from the clubs so i had a look on the net saw we were losing so watched the games ( we get the choice of five games so you can go from one to the other) on the box. Was so happy to see Allardyce go 2-1 down in the last few minutes then back to the net to find we'd won. Not a bad hour and a half. Bit unlucky that out of five games we weren't shown.
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Sorry Robbo. Didn't see you logged on. I'm worried that JD has been logged on for a while now and didn't immediately come here.
Here's a thought. Why not try and get Gabby abd Barry booked against Tottenham and get them suspended for the Cup game? Or, will the ban come into effect the week after? They are both on 4 bookings. I'm worried that without them we could be in trouble.
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I was reading the match thread first Peter. Good win today, they are the sort of games we were losing when Pugnose was in charge.
I'm worried about the Spurzzz game, as my Brother is a Yiddo and will be calling me from the US while the game is on (live here and in the US).
I got to see the whole Chelski game, it was on over here at 6am. Great game it was as well.
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Well Tottenham have proved their defence can be got at. As can ours. We may struggle if we are without Carew. Be interesting to see who MON starts with if not Carew. I think Harewood would be raring for a start and should be given the nod over Moore.
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I agree Peter. It would be good to see Harewood atone for his error at WHL earlier in the season and score a couple in a win over Spurzzz.
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Definitely. We owe them for that. Great way to finish the christmas programme as well.
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It's the one I really want to win, as most of my family are Spurzzz fans and it will be a great way to wish them a Happy New Year.
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Isn't that just as bad for an East-End family as supporting a Brummie club?
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East London is strange though. Both Walthamstow & Chingford are in East London but closer to Spurzz, hence that's why they are Spurzz rather than the 'orrible little Kit Stealing Barrow Boys. Most of the family live around Chingford.
I'm definately the odd one out supporting Villa, but someone's got to have a bit of class.
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C'mon JD tell us what they call you, being one out against the whole family must be difficult, are you sure you wern't adopted from a family in Aston?
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I'mworried I havent needed to use this forum for a while.... Have I taken my eye off the ball...
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That's why we're here garaham. A bit like the Curch. In a time of crisis you'l all be turning to us. We're just worried that were being softened up. I still worry that we will finish around 9th/10th and after we've shown great strdes this season we need to be n Europe, or the fringes of, to keep our better players. As I've said previously this season is pivotal to our 5 year plan (Does everyone have 5 year plans? And why do we have 5 year plans when they were introduced by a tyrant intent on murdering millions of his own people?) Anyway, I digress...
We need to show that we are there or there abouts by the end of the season. Not just because of keeping our better players happy. But also, because of who we can attract to the club. I honestly believe being knocked out of the FA Cup early will help us. Relatively small squad just having to concentrate our eforts on the league. Yes, I'd take a good Cup run obviously. But there is a bigger picture.
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i'm worried that we will by some fluke manage to put away the Mancscum in the Cup and then go out in the fourth round to local rivals Chasetown.
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Now that would be a worry VillaVA. 8-[
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C'mon JD tell us what they call you, being one out against the whole family must be difficult, are you sure you wern't adopted from a family in Aston?
We moved from London to Chasetown Robbo, with my Dad's job and I started going to see Villa on a regular basis. I didn't really support anyone before this and after seeing Villa the first time I was hooked.
When we moved back down South a couple of years later I stayed true to the Villa and refused to go to WHL with my brother etc (unless Villa were playing of course :smt002 ).
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What would you prefer this season? FA Cup final (losing) or 6th place? Seeing as both should be a passport into Europe? Both not being an option. So, FA Cup final and the chance of finishing 8th or 9th (outside Europe) or finishing 6th and going out of the FA Cup early?
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Cup final, definitely.
Despite the utterly gash game in 2000 I still had a great day out.
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You'd prefer a day out to the betterment (possible ) of the club?
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You'd prefer a day out to the betterment (possible ) of the club?
winning the FA cup would be a perfect way of demonstrating the re kindling the passion for the villa and the fa cup
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I'd say FA Cup Peter, for the simple reason it would mean we would have finally put one over those Manure Bastards. :smt002
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I'm worried that no-one's missed my immaculate Match Threads.
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I'm worried that no-one's missed my immaculate Match Threads.
You're joking Lee, it's been a bloody mess round here without you.
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Yay! Recognition!!
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I'm worried that no-one's missed my immaculate Match Threads.
Submariner had to start one Saturday; I started one today and then a few minutes, Dave had created another, so it had to be merged. Mess just about covers it. The post match threads were even worse.
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I'm worried that no-one's missed my immaculate Match Threads.
Submariner had to start one Saturday; I started one today and then a few minutes, Dave had created another, so it had to be merged. Mess just about covers it. The post match threads were even worse.
Mine was the best one of the lot though!
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We all missed you Legion. Good to see you back. :smt002
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Oh yeah, now I'm worried that my expectations have risen after beating Spurzz and I think that we can beat Manure at the weekend. 8-[
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You'd prefer a day out to the betterment (possible ) of the club?
winning the FA cup would be a perfect way of demonstrating the re kindling the passion for the villa and the fa cup
It was an FA Cup final defeat not victory.
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Surely you got great bragging rights aver your family nuow JD.
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He wouldn't know they've stopped speaking to him, the worried thread is his new family, we care.
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Is that because he's now a Kiwi?
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Don't know how long he's been there so it's hard to say whether he's got the accent yet, poor bugger.
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A little bit. When I met up with him his Kiwi accent was prominent by the end he was back to being a full-on East End cockney wide-boy. That's how I recall it anyway JD...
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It's quite funny, my Brother (who has lived in the US for 16 years) sounds American to me and he reckons I sound like a Kiwi (14 years over here). People who talk to me over here pick up my English accent straightaway, so I don't really know what accent I have. Now that is a worry. 8-[
Oh and Peter, I definately have the bragging rights. I got a call from the States after the game and my brother is not happy with the Spurzzz defence (I was though).
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And he called you? Deserves to have had his team beaten. I think its akin to masochism. Or that deep down he's a Villa fan and cannot bring himself to stop his Tottenham lies. Show him the truth, JD.
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I played for an all white Small Heath pub team many years ago and one day we played against an all black team after the final whistle they chased our only two supporters who had been loudly cheering us all game across the park. They were also black. They escaped and were treated to free drinks back at the pub.
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Erm...okay. You having random flashbacks there, Robbo?
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Just shows what can happen when you go against the brothers.
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There's a message in there somewhere Robbo.
The deal was that the loser had to call to eat humble pie, it's like a bet but more sadistic. 8-[ The game was on live in NZ and USA, so we were both watching it. The sound of the phone ringing 5 minutes after the game ended was like music to my ears. :smt002
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Its that sweet sound of success. Well limited success. My worry, as it always is when we do well, that we'll fall back and miss out on the relative success. We all want Europe now - although I did predict 6th at the start of the season - and there is nothing worse than missing out on that bit os 'success'.
Different pressure. Better than the ones at the other end of the table but still when you get so close and end up with nothing the feeling of being deflated takes a while to get over.
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It's interesting here we are a big improvement on last season but still i'm waiting for it all to end, i don't think (hope) it will but still the doubts are there. I see our position and think great then watch Arsenal glide the ball around and think shit.
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I thought it poignant when somebody posted a reply from either a Chelsea fan, or a Chelsea board after the 4-4. Yes mostly sour grapes but the comment about our passing caught my eye. We do have players who can pass a ball, but throughout the better teams they all are comfortable with the ball at their feet. We are some way off that. When it gets to anyone in the back-four I just hope it finds a claret and blue shirt. Davies looks okay bringing the ball out of defence but then what. Even NRC is so-so on the ball. As is Gabby when looking to pass, and maloney at times.
We are second-rate in this area and until we can pass like the better teams we'll always be here. It is improving though as technique improves. But this is probably why there is an influx in foreigners. They are taught technique and being comfortable on the ball from a young age. We are not.
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My worry is that I never feel comfortable with us playing anyone, not even when we played Derby at home, and especially not playing anyone at all in the League Cup. We always look likely to give away possession at any moment, while for the first 45 (though Spudz was an honorable exception) we give opposition sides way way too much space.
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And we still struggle to put teams away. We should be turning 2-0s into 3-0s.
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I get an uneasy feeling about MONs transfer dealings, we want proven quality to underpin our excellent young brigade i can't help thinking MON is looking at underperforming english players that he can weave his magic on, and make Randy some money.
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Thing is we're in that awkward position. Good players aren't going to come unless we have European football on the table as an incentive. So, we have to buy the next crop of players below that in the hope that they will get us into Europe. Then we can say thanks and replace them.
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Well it's now January 7th and we haven't signed anyone. Let's hope we get some players in this week. [-o<
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I get an uneasy feeling about MONs transfer dealings, we want proven quality to underpin our excellent young brigade i can't help thinking MON is looking at underperforming english players that he can weave his magic on, and make Randy some money.
I've got to disgree with you Robbo.Our previous tranfer "policy" has been an ad hoc mess depnding upon how much Doug wanted the heat taken off his backside.
Ours now is clear - we offer up and coming YOUNG English talent the opportunity of first team football, if you are good enough, you are old enough. Around that needs must.
We cant afford to pay as much as Arsenal, Chelsea, Man u, Liverpool, Newcastle or Spurs (Ticket prices and commercial). Sensibly we will nornmally be on a par with Everton, Man City and West Ham. Thats for transfer fees and wages.
Newcastle have condemned themselves to overpay goodish players, who arent quite good enough for the top, who then say "thank you very much" and do sod all.
What strikes me is how FEW of our players have ben coveted by the top clubs in recent years. i have a friend who is a Norwich fan who says that he judges how well they are doing by the calibre of club who want to buy their players - a telling thought.
If the current policy means we have to trade on a few at a profit, thats fine by me. If weare ultimately seen as a feeder club to real Madrid, we wont have done so bad.
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I suppose i dwelt on the rumour that we was after someone called stearman, spearman, spearmint something like that for a million dollars.
I think the players MON has bought has made us a solid midtable side.
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I really don't pin much hopes on the January transfer window. Although we did get Young and Carew in the last one albeit that it has been this season when they are showing their worth. Has a January signing, save one or two, ever been one that has significantly improved a team for the rest of that season? Why would we expect this season to be the same? Clubs are loathe to sell their better players mid-season. Especially to rivals.
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...........i can't help thinking MON is looking at underperforming english players .
Which is the total opposite of what Roy Keane says he likes to do (he's openly stated that he doesn't want players from relegated teams as the 'loser' mentality rubs off).
Sounds good in theory but look what position they're in.
I do wish MoN would spend before the 20th. It'd make me feel better.
Maybe.
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That would depend on who he buys.
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He'll probably look at the future. One experienced if we're lucky. I also doubt we'll see a right-back.
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I don't totally agree with Peter W as O'Neill's building for the future so I'm quite certain a player like Curtis Davies he wants at Villa for the long term and not just to help us get into Europe. Clearly we might have trouble holding on to Gabby if one of the big four comes calling, that's a little way off I guess. 8 Days in No signings your right Bloody crisis mate :smt002
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I am seriously worried that we are letting Laursen go.
I don't care if he's 30: he's sober, reliable, consistent, popular with the fans, reasonably priced, happy to live in Birmingham, scores goals, and his knees (touch wood) have not been an issue this season despite him playing just about every game.
Give him a three, or even four, year contract if that's what he wants.
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I'd be loathe to give him a 3-year contract. Two year with a one year extension offer. If he doesn't want thta, fine. But, and I'm sorry for thinking it, but I'll be hoping he breaks down every time he plays.
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I really want Laursen to commit for another two-three years, but he has to be realistic as well.
I can see him leaving with someone offering him a huge three year contract (Barcodes?) and then him getting injured after two months and hardly playing again.
I just hope it doesn't happen. [-o<
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8 days in and no club has done anything of note. There's a lot of posturing going on, and little else. The transfer window will come alive when one major deal gets done, that will set the tone, and generally in the last 10 days of the window. Our window lasts until the very last minute in January as the Maloney deal proved. I'm sure we'll have 2 or 3 new players in by the end of it all.
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I'm worried MON is going to leave it (again) until the eleventh hour of the last day of the window.
It feels like we're in a mad musical chairs scramble, only in the dark. And worse still, noone's noticed all the coolest kids have slunk off to drink vodka in the kitchen and aren't playing any more.
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Why do we need a month a day would be plenty. Take out all the bullshit
i.e Gabby to united and Laurson leaving and all the media crap and i'm sure that most managers know who they want and who they're prepared to let go, they've all got telephones, e-mail and faxes it could all be done on the last day of the month, now what a day that would be.
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Its the players that call the shots in January. They can wait until the end of the month looking for the best deal for them. If not, they can wait 6 months until the summer when more transfer dealings happen. They can also run down their contracts to also put them in a position of power. Nothing much happens now and I'm not that bothered if it doesn't. Of course we need to strengthen but I'd rather wait than just got AN Other for the sake of it. for what its worth I do think we'll get a player or two.
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I am worried that we will spunk a load of cash on Jermain Defoe, then watch him play like he is doing us a favour and piss our other players off.
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If that were the case he'd ship him out as soon as he'd ship him in. Every player that has played under MON, well most, have all said how much they love playing for him, want to play for him, and want to win for him. He has that little extra. I think any player coming would run through a brick wall for him. Literally. (Mainly because they're thick but that's another story).
So whilst I agree with you damon I think the MON factor is being overlooked.
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The thread has its own organic existence. It needs further pollination to spread its joy to other posters so it decides to stay unread to welcome more people in.
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It's a challenge to read it all IanB, and to try and find the darkness within, where people actually go insane online.
By the way what happened to Laughing Gravity? I miss him in a 'Oh good someone to have a decent argument with when I pissed off, sort of way'.
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Sad but true JD. The nutjob certainly entertained before his descent into luncay. I wonder if he ever comes back for a peep or his using an assumed name. It would be great to see the eejit back.
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It's a challenge to read it all IanB, and to try and find the darkness within, where people actually go insane online.
Sounds like Event Horizon
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He had enough of people telling him what he could do with his seat.
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What ever happened to the laydeee who went off to read the thread. Never saw her, or heard from her again,. She must be on page 200 by now. Somewhere around Shaun Udal trying to pull my missus. The bald pated, family of three loving lothario.
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It will always be that way IanB 8-[
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We could see the demise of another manager if we beat the scousers on Saturday, we must be getting a reputation amongst managers under threat.
I am worried though that they could wallop us.
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To be honest I think we could be on the wrong end of a beating. 3 or so. At some point the top teams just click. As much as I've read that it is a good time to play them, it could be a good time for them to play us.
They never switched on against the lesser lights of Wigan and Luton. But they will have to concnetrate fully gainst us. Its 4th v 6th and probably the biggest game of the weekend. There minds will be focussed. Plus, they're at home. Good teams don't become bad teams overnight and Liverpool are still a better team than us.
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I'm worried as well Peter. No doubt we will play well, it will be 1-1 and in the last minute get a corner from which Liverpool break and one of their players falls over in our penalty box and they get a penalty in injury time. ](*,)
The script has been written***
Hopefully though, we give them a hiding. :smt002
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Plus its a 1am start for me. With only a short spell of time left in Islamabad this could be my last 1 am kick-off. And in 3 seasons our first win. Doubt it though.
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9am kick off here in NZ but I wont be able to watch it as I have a Senior Managers meeting at work at 9:30am next Tuesday morning. ](*,)
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Even Sven says it's hard to get players in January so I am not very optimistic that we will get more than one player. We have been very lucky with injuries so far but i am worried that the players, especially the younger ones will be be knackered before the end of the season.
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9am kick off here in NZ but I wont be able to watch it as I have a Senior Managers meeting at work at 9:30am next Tuesday morning. ](*,)
I'd be getting irritable every 5 minutes trying to hurry the meeting up. The thought of Villa playing and me not being able to follow the progress would be too much to bear. 'Cough, cough, splutter, splutter' after about 10 minutes JD?
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I'm worried as well Peter. No doubt we will play well, it will be 1-1 and in the last minute get a corner from which Liverpool break and one of their players falls over in our penalty box and they get a penalty in injury time. ](*,)
The script has been written***
Hopefully though, we give them a hiding. :smt002
OR Gerrard will take a dive in the centre circle get a maximum 6 from all the officials and a penalty.
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OR Gerrard will take a dive in the centre circle get a maximum 6 from all the officials and a penalty.
I'm convinced that will happen if we do manage to hold them to 0-0.
I'm worried what will happen if we do make it into Europe and we do hold onto that spot. I look at the rise in income to the club:
We've gone from ~36k average attendance to nearly 40k average attendance (abet with some heavy discounting, Blackburn is just £10 for an adult ticket)
We are also looking to finish much higher up the table, very roughly worth £500K per place
Also the income we get for being on the TV (25% of TV money goes on position at the end of the season, 25% on the number of times on TV) is going to be up quite a bit as we've been on TV loads this season
The TV and gate money from Europe
We've sold more shirts and other merchandise than ever before, and at higher prices
The shirt sponsor is up for renewal, again this should see a big increase in income
We are also in very good shape financially:
We have the smallest squad, and one were the average weekly cost per player is among the lowest in the league of the clubs that aren't looking at relegation, let alone in the top six.
We own our ground and have no debt that we are aware of
Modern training facilities
Healthy youth scheme
So with all this in mind why do I feel that price rises are coming? Why do I feel that in a few years time, assuming it all goes well on the pitch, do I feel that I'll be priced out of a season ticket? Turned into a one or two match tourist? I'm not saying that the club will immediately put up prices by 50% or anywhere near that, it'll be slow year on year, but it feels like that is what will still happen over a short period of time.
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Look on the bright side Brian, if prices do go up every year and you have to pay them then at least it means your still breathing.
And worrying.
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I can't help but worry that the Villa false dawn syndrome is about to rear its ugly had again. As much as I believe in whats going on. I am very optimistic about us currently. But I can't help but worry.
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relegation? Oh no!
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Well I'm not yet thinking about being relegated.Here's a question, Roy Aitken will/has left Scotland. Would you have him back in some capacity?
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Well I'm not yet thinking about being relegated.Here's a question, Roy Aitken will/has left Scotland. Would you have him back in some capacity?
Too late, he's at the Blues with McLipless
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really? Fucking wanker..
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Melbourne calling, 10.15pm 27 degrees and fed up with reading all the crap. At least with Oleary we had something to get our teeth into. Those were the days.
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It's been another hot week here in Chch and we still haven't signed anyone. I'm worried we wont get the players in we need in the transfer window, get a few injuries and our season will fizzle out. ](*,)
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Tonight i have no complaints. Villa are on the box at 7am which means for once i won't have to get up in the middle of the night.
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Its freezing here. And we kick off at 1am. Really need a good nights kip after a long weekend.
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I can't let this thread slide. Why haven't we signed anyone yet? ](*,)
I'm getting worried that our squad will get even smaller after the transfer window and we will get some injuries and then sink into mid table oblivion. 8-[
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Worried by the usual site of worried villa fans worrying , im off to worry about going the dentist but I WILL be worried that we havent signed anyone also... and with only another week to worry about transfers what will I have to worry about next week...
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We are one of five clubs who have not traded this month. I think it's just that clubs do not want to let good players go. We could get Stefan Moore back for nowt.
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I'm worried that some have suggested that it would be okay if we didn't sign anyone this month, i would suggest that our form will decline if we don't.
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I'm quite worried that this thread had slipped to page five of the forum.
Things must be going well.
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I'm worried that Scudamore and greedy chairmen will ruin the league.
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The threads slipped because I have been doing my worrying over in Surfers Paradise on holiday, without the net. Got back last night just in time to watch the game against the Barcodes.
Worried, not me. :-
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So you missed the game at Christchurch JD? What am I worried about now? We may still finish 8th.
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I totally missed the Fulham game and haven't seen any highlights. Doesn't sound like I missed a great deal.
I didn't even know England had played midweek until yesterday.
I got back to Christchurch and home an hour before the game against the Barcodes. O:)
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You didn't miss much with the Fulham game. It was like The Clown was back in charge. If anything it has shown us how much we have improved as those were our week in week out performances a couple of seasons back.
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The good thing was the way we seem to bounce straight back after a bad performance. I'm a bit worried about the Reading game though. They are starting to get desperate for points. 8-[
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I'm getting desperate and it's got absolutely nothing to do with the Villa.
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I'm worried for the future of football.
I'm worried nobody else has been worrying for days.
Now I'm worried I'm worrying too.
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I'm worried about our right back situation....
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I'm just worried. A few key injuries/suspensions may hurt. But not right-back. Bouma out with a suspension will upset the balance of the team. Same as Young but that's more to do with a quality thing.
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i'm worried about andrew greaves...
seriously.
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Looking at the w*fest OS stories and increasingly desperate H&V forum topics (mine included) in the last couple of days, I am very worried that we have nothing really juicy to get worried about.
I am even more worried after this vacuum of anything happening we will come back to play Reading and Arsenal and have lost all our sharpness.
I am also quite worried that MON seems a lot better at half time team talks than pre game team talks. If he could just bring forward those half time team talks by 45 minutes, we might not let sides like Fulham and Portsmouth get away from us.
In conclusion, I am worried we're going to be caught napping by an Arsenal with something to prove and they're going to put six past us .
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I'm worried that Ian's post seems to have absolutely no relevance to anything.
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I am worried that people expect poetry to be about something. That is why it is poetry. Oddly this is most clearly illustrated in the wonderful poem "A young man from Trinity Hall" which goes
A young man from Trinity Hall
Had a hemispherical ball
He worked out that the weight
Of his penis - times eight
Was three fifths of five eighths of fuck all
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Cut the crap and start worrying properly, will you?
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I'm worried that it is too damn quiet at the moment. Isn't it boring when we don't play at a weekend.
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I'm just watching the 82 euro final yet again & i'm worried that bayern are gonna score any minute now.
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It would be funny if when re-watching Jimmy Rimmer sahkes his head after 9 minutes and says that actually he's okay to continue.
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There is really nothing happening is there?
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roll on the Reading game. I am bored...
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Be careful what you wish for - especially after Portsmouth won today.....
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The doom and gloom merchants will be out in force if we don't win today.
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I heard that.
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Good wn. But why do we always concede?
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So that we can have something to complain about :smt002
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3 teams on 47 points. We're 3rd out of those three because of goal difference - it does come back to bite you when you just don't stop shipping goals. Its a lack of concentration.
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Carson beaten by a free kick again worries me. The fact we haven't kept a clean sheet in the last 100 years is a concern as well.
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I just popped in for a quick worry & its wonderful to see that the worrying has continued in such a worryingly fine style :-s
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OMG he's back! NOW is the time to worry.
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I wonder how many Mystic Ravens there are? Is this the woman one or one of the blokes?
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[-X Only the one Im afraid, & Im still female! ](*,)
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oops sorry hit the quote button instead of edit! ho hum... 8-[ :-
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Definitely female.
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I'm worried we might expect to get something out of Saturday's game.
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Im worried that its my birthday tomorrow and no-ones bought me a ticket for the Arsenal game.
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Definitely female.
=D>
Very funny when reading the posts sequentially.
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I'm worried we might expect to get something out of Saturday's game.
You wangled a ticket?
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As proud sponsors my company have provided a ticket, yes.
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Sitting with the Gooners then...
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Yeah, sometimes you've got to do what you must....
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It should be on over here so I'll be in touch through the game. Unles its a miserable day.
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The game is on live at 4am over here in New Zealand, so it's an early night for me tonight. 8-[
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Ouch. What was it when I was there for the Portsmouth game? 1 o'clock? I have managed to somehow keep my 3 year league record of not seeing us win any league games that I have seen kicking off at midnight + wherever I am. Unbelievable.
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Well this is like coming home. Thought I would share my concerns that we will at best get a draw on Saturday and that MON has by now discovered that Villa fans are quick to turn, it has been a difficult month and i can't sleep. I have been going through the squad and decided that Knight will replace Carew at centre forward.
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There's a good chance that Carew will be fit, I'm just worried that his and Gabby's goals seem to have dried up.
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I'm worried that come the end of the five year plan we'll have made as much progress as the Cleveland Browns have. 8-[
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I agree with OCD that Gabby and Carew are not prolific enough at the moment. We've also lost goals as our rivals have rumbled our ability to score from set pieces (thanks in no small part to the fact that every newspaper in the land has been trumpeting it). The goals have just stopped. Now with Young regularly being marked out of games we have absolutely no threat.
We have three consecutive games that should be bankers but they're not. I can't see where our goals against Bolton are going to come from unless Jloyd gives us a helping hand, thigh or head. Their defence is having a bad time of it yet I can't see how we're going to capitalise on this flaw. The Trotters defence has been unlucky more than bad if you ask me.
Then there's the game against Blues in two weeks. Zarate is a class above their usual dross. He may pose us problems in the game. Luckily I have more faith in their defences sheer ineptitude than his skill so I still preserve hop for the game.
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Gabby is a big worry, he is no longer a threat to the opposition it means either the opposition have worked him out, he is totally out of form or we built him up far outside his capabilites, whichever, at the moment our forwards except Young from set pieces never look like scoring. It's a big worry.
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Watch Gabby score a brace this weekend Robbo. :smt002 I'm worried that he will never score again, but every time I worry about something on this thread we come right. [-o<
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We've still got time to turn this around. man U thumped us 4-1, 4-0 a few years back on Nov 2nd (I think) we were around the bottom 3 with only 2 wins. We then went on a good run and finished 6th.
My big concern is that we're playing Bolton. We don't tend to do well againast them and bearing in mind their healthy ex-Villa contingent I think they will be fired-up.
I think Carew v Cahill will be a crucial battle. he will want to do everything in his power to show that he is better than the two Villa centre-halves. But, seeing him lunge in dictates that we need to have plenty of runners off Carew.
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Bolton need to win, which should suit Villa as we can hopefully tear them apart with our pace. [-o<
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I can't see where our goals against Bolton are going to come from unless Jloyd gives us a helping hand, thigh or head. Their defence is having a bad time of it yet I can't see how we're going to capitalise on this flaw. The Trotters defence has been unlucky more than bad if you ask me.
Well I've never been so happy to have been wrong
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I'm worried about Carson and the blues game. We've had too goalkeeping mistakes in that fixture already without adding to them.
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I can't see where our goals against Bolton are going to come from unless Jloyd gives us a helping hand, thigh or head. Their defence is having a bad time of it yet I can't see how we're going to capitalise on this flaw. The Trotters defence has been unlucky more than bad if you ask me.
Well I've never been so happy to have been wrong
And how wrong you were. The guy who predicted 27-0 was thinking along the right lines.
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We've got no money to spend. ](*,) Oh well at least the summer will be nice and quiet for everyone. As it is Winter over here between June - August over here in NZ I will be able to hibernate now. \:D/
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We'll have a big wedge to spend JD. Fear ye not. We just need to attract the players.
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I'm confused and when i'm confused I worry, it's this Intertoto business, it appears that many are salivating at the thought of qualifying for this not very well thought of competition and yet during the previous managers stewardship we scoffed at applying for a spot. What's changed/ has this competition been elevated into a most desirable competition to be seen in, and if we did qualify and are drawn against outer Mongolia Razorbacks is our squad big enough to carry us through all those extra games? I really don't think it will be an attraction to any prospective top player to tell him we're palying in Europe, we're in the Intertoto.
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Robbo the competition has changed and if Villa do qualify we should only have to play against one team home and away to progress to the UEFA Cup, with countries being seeded.
Saying that we will probably draw someone from the Outer Hebrides and lose on the away goal rule. O:)
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First of all thanks to Bigmelonface face bringing this great thread back to our attention.
Do you think the sale of Barry could have a detrimental affect on the psyche running through the club? What I mean is, and this isn't talking about transfers. we have been progressing nicely season by season. What are the ramifications for the season if Barry goes, we get knocked out of the UEFA Cup before the league stage and then we are about 10th or 11th at best come October/November?
how far away, or close, is MON from being treated the same way as Jol was last season at Tottenham. Does the feel good factor that we are still experiencing depend on Randy, MON, or both. Will we have the same feel-good factor if we struggle next season? What will it take for MON to be removed?
What is plan B for the club if the Barry move is a catalyst for the club to find itself taking two steps back and not finding the way forard for a season. Would anyone here, for example take 11/12th in the league and losing in the FA Cup final? Or even finishing 11th 12th and losing in the UEFA Cup final?
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:lol:
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My main worry at the moment is every other person seem to be logging on as an offshoot of robbo i meam how would you like a holte-end jd or a red peter w popped up, it's bloody disgusting the liberties that some people take.
Do you think we can keep this thread open for a few weeks.......it does help.
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I think failure to sign a decent goalkeeper (or pay over the odds for Carson) and don't get a dedicated Right Back in will make life miserable for MoN should we struggle. And without these players for another season , we WILL struggle. There's no way we'll get off as easily with injuries again, surely.
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My main worry at the moment is every other person seem to be logging on as an offshoot of robbo i meam how would you like a holte-end jd or a red peter w popped up, it's bloody disgusting the liberties that some people take.
Do you think we can keep this thread open for a few weeks.......it does help.
I think next year were to have to settle for 6 to 11/12 spot and a good cup run but I think it should be balanced, ie two/three good cup runs will settle for 8/9/10 etc (like spurs this year).I can't see us knocked out of uefa till after the group stage so if early exits in CC and FA do come we need to be puching for 5/6/7 again.
Looking at history teams that qualify for UEFA don't tend to have great seasons league wise the following year(Bolton,Middlevilla,spurs)
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My main worry at the moment is every other person seem to be logging on as an offshoot of robbo i meam how would you like a holte-end jd or a red peter w popped up, it's bloody disgusting the liberties that some people take.
Do you think we can keep this thread open for a few weeks.......it does help.
Looking at history teams that qualify for UEFA don't tend to have great seasons league wise the following year(Bolton,Middlevilla,spurs)
What about Everton finishing 5th last season though? They had two good cup runs as well?
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Thats just typical of peter w you dig up his favourite thread then he can only be bothered to post on it once.
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He is a disappointment Bigmelonface.
Young Mr Winters complains when others don't post on this thread, then disappears. I used to get worried that he kept being kidnapped. 8-[
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Yes he is a disappointment and if he does not reply today I will take it that everything he has ever said on this forum was wrong unless I agreed with him :smt002
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The can ban me from wherever they want. They'll never take down this baby.
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Who's banning you Peter?
You're right, we will always be worried about something, it is our nature. 8-[
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This site is like business at the moment....flat. No action, nobody buying, struggling to get motivated. I'm more depressed than worried at the moment and thats a worry, i'm looking for the headline Barrys gone to fire me up. I think i might sack one of the reps this afternoon that might cheer me up a bit.
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Its May 26th (Oh, happy Euro Cup day) there will be a week or two until the top 4 clubs finish their business, then one or two snippets but nothing much more during the Euro Champs and then the transfer market will slowly gather back to life in July. So, its a long summer.
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I can't help the anticipation each day, coming on here to see what has happened, to find out nothing has. You're nearly right Peter, it's going to be a long Winter from where I am. O:)
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The Barry situation keeps me ticking over, i have a feeling that he will come out a winner in all this. My premonition, he has outpriced Liverpool and let all other suitors what they'll have to pay to get him.
I am worried that we are only just entering winter and my bones are aching already. JD a rellie came back from a holiday on south island and complained thet all the Moaris(sp) had disappeared and have been replaced by Pakistanis, whats going on over there? Really annoyed she was.
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"Ka Mate, Ka Mate" to be replaced by "Chapati, Chapati"?
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The Barry situation keeps me ticking over, i have a feeling that he will come out a winner in all this. My premonition, he has outpriced Liverpool and let all other suitors what they'll have to pay to get him.
I am worried that we are only just entering winter and my bones are aching already. JD a rellie came back from a holiday on south island and complained thet all the Moaris(sp) had disappeared and have been replaced by Pakistanis, whats going on over there? Really annoyed she was.
The Maoris from the South Island are all living in Australia Bro. :smt002 I saw more on the Gold Coast than I see in Christchurch.
The South Island has been predominately white for many years and the further North you go, the more Maori's there are. To do with the climate I think, although the Nga Tahu Tribe own half the South Island and own all the Fisheries etc. I do believe the rest of the South Island is owned by Shania Twain. O:)
There are more Asian people moving here, Chinese, Korean, as well as a few Indians, but not that many. There is a nice mix of all different cultures here.
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How much ot the Island do you own JD? have you settled permanently?
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I own the Hills around Christchurch (well a very little part of them).
I have been here 14 and a half years and have settled (even have my NZ Citizenship which makes it easy to travel around the region).
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I own the Hills around Christchurch (well a very little part of them).
I have been here 14 and a half years and have settled (even have my NZ Citizenship which makes it easy to travel around the region).
Do you travel on a dual passport? have to apply for a new one soon and not sure whether to get an Aussei one or a dual.
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Erm, when you've both finished your chat...you're like two old women.
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ooh get er.
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I'm worried for your future never mind Villa's, Robbo. Its winter, barry is frustrating you, passport issues, JD is being replaced by Jhelum Junglis (thats for junxs). Oh woe...
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I own the Hills around Christchurch (well a very little part of them).
I have been here 14 and a half years and have settled (even have my NZ Citizenship which makes it easy to travel around the region).
Do you travel on a dual passport? have to apply for a new one soon and not sure whether to get an Aussei one or a dual.
I have two passports Robbo. Get an Aussie and an EU one.
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I'm worried for your future never mind Villa's, Robbo. Its winter, barry is frustrating you, passport issues, JD is being replaced by Jhelum Junglis (thats for junxs). Oh woe...
What??? 8-[
Good to see you are still with us Peter.
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And back to the thread from heaven...I've just thought of a new slant on a song for the Welsh to sing at Rugby games. Well done.
About time we siogned someone? Its nearly the end of May. By the way, has the season actually finished yet?
The good thing about England not qualifying for the Euros is that our players won't be knackered by the time we get to the Intertoto.
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I am more angry than worried after readin gerrards comments, c'mon Pete you must be well connected over there can't you find some little jihadist to do a number on him?
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Why didn't you just ask? I've sent a suicide bomber but the problem being, as soon as he gets to Liverpool he'll think he's the victim and contact the Sun saying how plucky the Scousers are etc etc Wouldn't work.
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Long range worry forecast... This may have come up before but who can remember what happened on p300 let alone p200...
Anyhoo, what will happen when Randy passes on like Walker, Hayward or Mileson? Hopefully it won't happen for many years to come and Randy seems smart enough to sort it. Even so yer average American is a touch litigious and I'm sure some chancers will appear out of the woodwork, especially as Villa will once again stand over the sporting world like a colossus of all things good and pure*. We should have 40 years or more to work this up from a niggling doubt to a full blown worry.
*assuming humanity hasn't found another way of making itself extinct by then.
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There's bloody cobwebs everywhere.
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As Randy will last a lot longer than me i'm not too fussed to be honest all i can cope with at the moment is worrying for the next few weeks.
I really can't believe there has been no MON out threads or Randy Randy show us your millions chants outside Villa Park we are a bloody complacent lot.
Just a comment on the transfer period, in AFL there is a transfer week where all club representatives meet at one venue they have their own office and move around organizing trades. Funny thing is all though they have all week most trades are done in the last few hours of the last day.
MON would feel really at home.
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It is frustrating Robbo undoubtedly. But, I think we are the victims of a modern generation where everything has to happen right away. On top of that we have a mass multi-media that give us information at our fingertips 24 hours a day. The problem with that is that there is only so much news to report.
I take the viewpoint that our season started early so should our signings. But, other clubs seasons haven't so our urgency isn't theirs. And that's crucial. They are in no rush to sell to us waiting for the highest bidder. Look at the Barrybore. We've known since the end of the season that he's off but two months later he still hasn't gone.
Transfer markets usually wait for something to nudge it on and a lot of transfers then fall into order. Its a waiting game. Especially in July.
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Well Athos and Porthos are here where the bloody hell is Aramis? aka JD.
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I am worried about next season. With Barry and the other players gone. A few injuries to key players and we are in serious trouble.
Imagine this scenario; Carew and Laursen pick up injuries which rule them out till Christmas; Taylor picks up an injury as does Young.
What would the starting eleven and squad of 18 look like then??? relegation material?
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Well Athos and Porthos are here where the bloody hell is Aramis? aka JD.
He surfaced briefly but I think he's trying to hawk his bloody perfumery range around the Villa sites again.
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I am seriously, seriously worried about next season. We appear to be 6 or 7 players short of a decent squad. And I don't see that many quality players coming in. This year was the year to push on but we're heading for a fall.
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It is frustrating Robbo undoubtedly. But, I think we are the victims of a modern generation where everything has to happen right away. On top of that we have a mass multi-media that give us information at our fingertips 24 hours a day. The problem with that is that there is only so much news to report.
I take the viewpoint that our season started early so should our signings. But, other clubs seasons haven't so our urgency isn't theirs. And that's crucial. They are in no rush to sell to us waiting for the highest bidder. Look at the Barrybore. We've known since the end of the season that he's off but two months later he still hasn't gone.
Transfer markets usually wait for something to nudge it on and a lot of transfers then fall into order. Its a waiting game. Especially in July.
Totally agree. I've felt all along that the transfer window promotes two things: desperation and brinksmanship. There are obviously teams that play it well, but generally you either pay way over the odds to get who you want, or you play the patience game to get who you want. We seem to fall very much in the latter category when the seller needs to sell as much as the buyer needs to buy. Right now, things are still in the sellers favour, so they will keep the potential buyers waiting for as long as they can.
Add to that, the media have to fill column inches. If it isn't true, no problem. They make something up and it sells the paper for that day. Think of every transfer rumour we've heard this summer, not just about our club. If it was as cut and dry as the media sometimes make out with their headlines; Barry would be at Liverpool, Bentley at Spurs, Adebayor at Milan, Lampard at Inter etc etc. It's not that easy.
I'm getting restless with everyone else, and I'm very patient. I want to see the squad beefed up, the money spent, the players signed and ready to deliver. It seems ages since Sidwell signed, but in reality it hasn't been. Just feels that way. We all just need to hang a little longer.
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It is frustrating Robbo undoubtedly. But, I think we are the victims of a modern generation where everything has to happen right away. On top of that we have a mass multi-media that give us information at our fingertips 24 hours a day. The problem with that is that there is only so much news to report.
I take the viewpoint that our season started early so should our signings. But, other clubs seasons haven't so our urgency isn't theirs. And that's crucial. They are in no rush to sell to us waiting for the highest bidder. Look at the Barrybore. We've known since the end of the season that he's off but two months later he still hasn't gone.
Transfer markets usually wait for something to nudge it on and a lot of transfers then fall into order. Its a waiting game. Especially in July.
Spot on, thats exactly what we all saying here at work. Every deal seems to be hanging on another deal. Its early days yet for everyone but us. If we get through Saturday, we then have a bit of time to re shape the squad.
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Spot on, thats exactly what we all saying here at work. Every deal seems to be hanging on another deal. Its early days yet for everyone but us. If we get through Saturday, we then have a bit of time to re shape the squad.
And if we didn't?
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Spot on, thats exactly what we all saying here at work. Every deal seems to be hanging on another deal. Its early days yet for everyone but us. If we get through Saturday, we then have a bit of time to re shape the squad.
And if we didn't?
Do you really think we'll attract the calibre of player we want and need to progress if we don't qualify?
I'm as patient as they come but this summer I'm touching cloth! :smt102
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All im saying is going into an important game like this, so underprepared in squad size, is taking a massive gamble on MON's part.
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It's certainly a calculated risk on MON's part, he certainly doesnt strike me as being in any way cavalier about the situation.
UEFA qualification is integral to his buying plans, why would a player sign now and run the risk of no European football after only a handful of days? Wait, let the club finish the job, and then sign. I know I would...
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I'm not worried. MON's lack of spending just means his replacement will get oodles more to spend on 'World Class' players. Dunno whether to put a winky man, or a confused man next.
I would have gone with a man banging his head against the wall.
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That's a worry in itself every time i try to put a winky thing up it just comes out as an asterix slash thingy type, O:) Just like that.
I feel today is the day that there will be movement, at home suffering diabolical flu like symptoms i have had no energy other than to think of the Villa and it's in my water that an anbnouncement will be made.
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So do I, I meant because they're being criticised when I haven't seen them withold support to MON.
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I give free councilling to the afflicted.
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Is this thread really that relevant anymore. It was originally made when our fears of relegation we very real.
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Please leave.
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The mans an idiot we are always in fear of relegation, those that have been there before and suffered the humiliation heaped on us by our near neighbours and having to play Walsall twice in one season know that it's always lurking.
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Even more so that we're in a good patch. Sort of. This is where we usually balls it up and try and go down come January when we're out of the Cups and 11th.
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Well i'm not sure who MON has targeted but the arrows seem to be taking an awful long time getting there.
It seems that SWP is on his way to Pompey, Newcastle won't be selling or buying so thats Milner out of the picture, the Spurs players all seem to have found new homes, Bentley is a lay down for Spurs, have i missed anyone.
Oh i think we'll sign Friedel but knowing we need six or seven new players we may see yet again MONs version of a revivalist meeting where he takes players seemingly doomed to obscurity and tries to turn them into superstars.
Where is the planning? surely we have had enough time to 1. know who we want 2. They want to come 3. Their club is willing to sell. Seems fairly simple to me and yet here we are three weeks away from our first home game with barely enough players to fill the spots.
I have given up on players of real proven talent joining us, right now i just want players capable of looking like premiership footballers.
And yes i am now officially very worried.
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I agree it gets more unsettling the further into the window that we go. But with agents hawking their players they will wait for the best price before they sell. Clubs selling those players usually want to have a replacement lined up also. Its a bit like buying a house.
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I think and always have done that we will not attract top players because other clubs i.e Portsmouth will pay them a lot more.
Any player worth his salt would rather come to Villa than to them but if they pay more then we lose out.
I am also worried that MON has not found a replacement for Barry and is saying a silent prayer that he stays.
Pete the problem i have in all this is that another year has gone by and MON is still trotting out the old cliches, a club of Villa's size should not be three weeks away from competition with gaping holes in the squad it's ridiculous.
Even if he does manage to get a couple in it will be weeks before they settle, it just sems so unproffessional to me, if i hired my staff using the MON policy it would be a disaster.
Apart from Friedel and Guzan is there one player you can think of that we are strongly linked with?
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Portsmouth have yes. But I think that their 'fortuitous' Cup win has helped gloss over problems. Twice they've finished 7-10th when the players they had should have seen them finish higher. They've even seen us overtake them.
Redknapp goes for Africans who will go to Fratton Park looking for a stage where they can show their wares and hopefully get the move upwards. The fee is small but they make money from it. Seriously, how many Portsmouth players would you take?
Do we want to have as a transfer template a Cockney Spiv who is very good in the transfer market, but only when he has to get some good deals to then sell on. That's who Portsmouth are. Always a selling club. They have some decent players indeed, but there is no long-term solidity as players will be off as soon as they're attracting the inrterest Portsmouth want.
I know we've gone around the houses on this one but Chelsea aside, how many teams above us, or below us down to Tottenham, have made any significant transfer moves yet?
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But how many of them are struggling to field a full squad? we started from a position of weakness and have been weakened further. It isn't as if we have a squad of 24 and just need a couple of additions.
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This 7 subs is going to stretch mant teams. Not just us. But, undoubtedly we need to get players in. The sooner the better. But saying it, and knowing it, are two different things from being able to just go out and get the players.
Our problem is that we are still in the market for players below the CL level. That's where we're aiming to be but because the CL now sees more of the better players spread around more of the top clubs it is harder to fine the type of players that we need.
We need players with ambition who want to get into the top tier of the footballing elite. Who is there around who fits the bill? Yes there are players but we are competing with many clubs on our level to try and turn their heads and sign them. As are the other clubs.
Of course MON has a way of playing it in the transfer market but that's his way. I can see no reason for slating him for that and then saying how well he has handled the Barry transfer. You can see how he operates.
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Have we got seven subs availeable?
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Of course we have...
Taylor
Gardener
Bouma
Knight
Laursen
NRC
Sidwell
Petrov
Carew
Gabby
Young
S:
Maloney
Harewood
Routledge
Salifou
Osbourne
Parrish
Baker
There's a player or two I may have missed and I'm not suggesting that this is the starting 11 and subs but there are numbers. Too small, yes. But Barry is still there as is Davies to come back in.
I think this 7 subs is a bit of a misnomer because we can name 7 players but still only 3 get on. Lots of times throughout the season you will see kids named on benches by most clubs to get a feel of the first-team set-up, and matchday atmosphere.
But, I'm not saying we don't need numbers. We do. I have already predicted we'll get 8 in. (Although right now I'd take 5).
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My guess is that the Sky Big Money 4 will eventually get their way and be allowed to have their entire squad available to pick from on a match-day basis.
And the closer we get to that, the more those 4 clubs will dominate the transfer market as players will be offered the guarantee of bench-warming and the carrot of being brought on.
If we went back to three subs, it'd be interesting to see how many players would leave Chelsea and Liverpool in particular.
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I think there are two ways to look at this. The first is obviously your slant Guy. And I have no reason to disagree with any of it.
The other way is why shouldn't clubs be able to name as many subs as they wish? I understand the point about clubs with larger squads being favoured, but you can still only play 11 players at most. If players thinking allowing them to sit on a bench is a career progression then more fool them.
A few years ago I would have agreed but with more money coming into the English game from television, and more sides below the top 4 either being bought out, or having rich businessmen and corrupt ex-Presidents buying them then the top 4 will be challenged. It also allows the other teams to 'gamble'. Stick a kid on the bench 2 up or 2 down throw him on when he wouldn't have had a sniff previously. Gives him experience and us, for example, a chance to use a player, and improve a player, quicker.
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We appear to be a little light on defenders.
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We appear to be a little light on defenders.
And the winner of the understatement of the year is..
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Should I mention it to Rambo, do you think?
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I'm worried Robbo will implode tonight when he reads the latest news.
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What the fck is going on this isn't Celtic or Leicester bloody city we are a club that finished ( more luck that judgement) sixth in the premiership last year but cannot find a right back in two bloody years.
Pete you said in July you would like eight in but probably five, would you like to amend this and what quality of players will they be?
Posters rubbish Rednapp but at least you know he is savvy in the market.
I can symphasise with Moyes because Everton are skint MON if the General is to be believed can do as he likes.
It is so bloody frustrating.
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Top rant Robbo and it's good to see our old friendly thread back in action. I have been very busy (storms, floods etc) and working in the Insurance industry it's been rather busy. It's nothing to compare with Villa's lack of transfer activity though. :-
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It seems we got rid of one plonker who didn't have money to spend and get MON who has the money but doesn't know where to spend it.
In business it's results that count and last year was tops because we finished sixth with a depleted squad were very lucky with injuries you could say we had a lucky escape, but remember even DOL got us to sixth one year, that's why i have never joined MON is God brigade because one good year doesn't mean your successful.
I want the feeling back when Lerner first took over that anything was possible instead of the worry that we are struggling like a club at the bottom of the premiership.
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Robbo, I expect players of a certain quality to come in. I also stated a while back that with more clubs in the CL the pool of players becomes smaller. MON is after a certain type of player and not just any old player. Obviously we need full-backs but MON is obviously aware of this and will get them in.
The players we do get in need to be of sufficient quality but I also trust MON to keep them going forward. Even if that means a season of not finishing in the top 5 but giving our players good European experience.
We do need to qualify fore Europe again though, as there is nothing worse than giving good players a tatse of what they could be achieving in Europe if the club finishes 8th or lower and miss out on Europe.
But, its not easty. Before we won the league in 80-81 we'd had 3 seasons of 7ths and 8ths and only one season in Europe in that time. So, we have no divine right to keep on getting higher in the league jsut because we're Villa. Too many people have had their hopes raised too highly.
But, we do need players, and its frustrating to not be sitting here with more. We have got 3 players in and its only 5th August. Plenty of time for MON to mould them into a team when he buys his next additions and the quality will be good enough for MON to do his magic on.
As for the 7 subs thing thats a bit of a red herring. It doesn't mean we should have 7 experienced players all itching to get on. Even Man Us bench at times last season had the odd untried kid. We will be no different and if the extra spaces mean that at 3-0 up (inshallah) against whoever, we get to give a Delfouneso or a Bannon (etc) a run and that can only be a good thing for us.
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So, we have no divine right to keep on getting higher in the league jsut because we're Villa. Too many people have had their hopes raised too highly.
I don't think we're expecting too much to have a team with full-backs.
The last under 10 side I managed had a couple!
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Barry has to be replaced somehow, i know he's a prick for what he's done but he was playing the best football of his career, I dread to think how weak our midfield is going to be unless we can get some quality in.
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Barry has to be replaced somehow, i know he's a prick for what he's done but he was playing the best football of his career
Let's not go overboard, did you go to any of the following home games : Citeh, Pompey, Boro, Wigan, S'land
Barry AWOL in all above games IMO
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That's the point with Barry. Players come and go. I think the ire is directed because people think he's mental to leave right now. But, if he wants to go then sod him. Go. But, let's not pretend he's not being a turd and keep giving him a welcome response whenever we play. It looks like we are siding with him over the club.
What we are lacking, as I think Robbo said, is balance. We need to get someone in there who can do the job better than Barry. And there are plenty of players who are capable of it. He did well for us last season, but he is in no way a world beater.
Will we miss Barry? Yes, if Sidwell is the only replacement. No, if we get someone with a tad more pace and is every bit as good at least. Not easy to find? Thaty's the scout's job as they'll be a lot cheaper in Europe. Also, Kranjcar is an option.
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Also, Kranjcar is an option.
I don't think he is. The only thing that will get him out of Happy Harry's clutches is a bid from one of the top four and a brown envelope in Harry's back pocket!*
I wouldn't mind seeing us trying to hijack the Moutinho bid that Everton are struggling to put together. He's young and I think would be an ideal replacement for Barry as an attacking player. Yes he's Portugese and may take time to settle, but Moyes is a pretty good judge of a player and I think he'd fit right in. I suspect it wouldn't take too much more than the Barry money (and the deal we were offering Barry) to sign him...
* This is the view of the poster and not that of H & V.
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Another day of nothing Villa related the only things to cheer me up is that Man Citys owner had to borrow money to pay wages and West Spams debacle with Freddie.
GKs statement has travelled the country with journalistic licence to distort a simple statement being taken by many.
Finally it seems that Man C, Everton, Toon, West Ham are all financially embarrassed.
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They are Robbo, so we should get a steal on them and sign some players. ](*,) I log in every morning in anticipation and nothing. I just hope that we have players lined up to sign and suddenly four or five sign at once.
By the way, what happened to Miguel? One minute there was a buzz about us signing him and now nothing. Maybe he can join the team in Spain (along with De La Red) [-o< .
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If you only log on in the morning your lucky. I woke up at 4.30 am and couldn't sleep so i got up had a hot drink and....... you guessed it logged on only to find zilch after an hour went back to bed woke up a couple oh hours later to find Zilch. Today in my office i go through all the pommie papares usually filled with the top four news to find .....zilch.
When i get home I wait until six pm and log on again hoping for good news from my fellow Golden Muppets, usually.........zilch.
I had thought of contacting MON and asking if he could save my sanity by just texting me when something was going to happen.
I've just got over a virus and i feel i'm coming down with another one.
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I know the pain. having to log into BBC Sport to try and find any news, any crumbs of comfort regarding signings. They will happen but we've been watching intently since the end of the season for something. Yet, hardly anything.
I have my doubts about the GM info, also. Just lots and lots of rumours everywhere but no players. Its usually the Beeb that break anything first so that's where my time is spent.
Waiting...watching...hoping
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I know the pain. having to log into BBC Sport to try and find any news, any crumbs of comfort regarding signings. They will happen but we've been watching intently since the end of the season for something. Yet, hardly anything.
I have my doubts about the GM info, also. Just lots and lots of rumours everywhere but no players. Its usually the Beeb that break anything first so that's where my time is spent.
Waiting...watching...hoping
I disagree, they're almost always the last to know and post anything. Sky Sports News and Setanta News on the tellie and t'internet are a lot quicker. News Now is alright but generally 10 rehashes of the exact same story.
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Agree re SSN. Although on the Barry saga the OS has been consistently the first place to look, beating the rest of the pack by miles.
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The Spurs Wankfest continues unabated on SSN, incredible...
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I know we are supposed to be patient but this is getting pretty stupid. How are we supposed to have an effective pre-season if we buy players at the last minute?
It is no longer good enough to say keep calm it'll be OK. Its only OK if we get some quality in depth bought in time to integrate them into the squad.
OK we did really well last year (and better than expected) but to repeat that we need to replace what we (or are just about) lose and to push on we need to buy even more.
Unless something dramatic happens we are inline to just stick around at 6 or even lower. Spurs will I think do better this year and Pompey are likely to be better than last. Even Sunderland look to have bought reasonably well - certainly enough to push on a bit. Everton haven't bought but are starting from a better position than us. Citeh and Blackburn will still be there and Fulham could push on a bit.
I'm not impressed with what is going on - some other clubs have made significant buys why can't we? £30m don't make me laugh!
If we had that money to spend then there have been plenty of opportunities. In truth what we need is not one big spend but a clever set of buys to take us to a consistent 5th so we can attract the players to go for the top 4 in a couple of years.
Not happening yet though is it?
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On the bright side chaps, at least we won't have unhappy players complaining about 'squad rotation'.
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At the moment the team picks itself how good is that for competition.
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If we don't sign any more players I wonder if they will sell some of the seats on the bench to fans. Imagine having a season ticket on the bench. :-
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At the start of last season I, and many others, predicted a 6th place finish. Others 5th, 7th, 8th. So, you cannot say we did better than expected.
Freiedel is better than Carson so the points dropped in the keeping department have been addressed. Hopefully. Davies and Laursen are the long-term centre-halves and for me Sidwell is a Mortimer type player giving us what our erstwhile captain did with his box to box work for years.
We need to fill other areas. But it is obviously harder than it used to be with the amount of people now involved in the negotiations and the strength of the players in the negotiations. Also, selling clubs knowing that we need full-backs will hold out for every last penny.
On top of that clubs seeing our stance on Barry will use it against us. Luke Young (shudders) is a case in point. Boro will say 'X is our price and we're sticking to it'.
The transfers will come. But, in the day of the internet we are watching all day whereas previously we'd here a rumour that a player is at the club via the radio/newspaper and then find out a player has signed or not.
We need a right-back before next Saturday otherwise we will have to start the match with the England U-21 right-back in place. Or, NRC. If MON thinks those two can do a job until the right-back comes in from wherever, then fair enough. He proved last season that his judgement is fine and I am not sure why we are not trusting his judgement again. If he thinks Gardner and NRC aren't going to cope he will buy a player before next Saturday.
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Very philosophical, Peter.
Now, where's the REAL Peter?
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Yes I'm peter w
I'm the real peter w
All the other peter ws
Are just imitating
So won't the real peter w
Please stand up
Please stand up
Right now for that fucking General thread...oh and the moderating here is shit...and (what else?)
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Is it?
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Oh, don't start. The tone is obvious.
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I know. Just trying to be light-hearted.
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Good save, Leeg. But you WERE trying to put him back in his box.
:smt002
I don't mind him in this mood. Wonder what he's on?
Maybe he got a long-overdue gobble?
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I hate Legion.
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Woah...just me and Leeg having a bit of fun at each other's expense...we've just breathed life back into the Golden Thread. Don't let it disappear now.
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Anyone remember this?
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*sniff*
Its like being on the Jeremy Kyle show and being reunited with my dad after 25 years.
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A timely reintroduction.
I'm worried we may not qualify for next season's Champions League competition.
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All the eggs in one basket, MON falling out with the fans, pundits no longer seeing us as the chosen ones, the honeymoon is over.
Now for the long relationship between us and MON based on necessity and not knowing what to do without each other. Sure we both love each other but the bpassion has gone.
We could try and dress up a bit, and go on breaks to Dubai to try and instil what we once had, but deep down we know the damage has been done.
Its sad when a relationship gets to this point and neither of us knows how it happened, why it happened, and where that love went. But sure enough it did go.
Either one can be brave and make the final decision, and hey fellas, its unlikely to be us, eh? So, we'll just keep plodding along. having our ups and downs - more downs probably until we're too old to be able to do anything about it, or until we have our heads turned elsewhere and feel that love again. or will it be just lust. The silly old fools that we are.
Aye, these rocky relationships are hard to endure.
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I started to worry about Villa's future in those last four torrid minutes against Stoke.
In those minutes I crossed the bridge between the unswerving trust in our manager to having serious doubts about his managerial eccentricities.
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I started worrying the day the team was announced for Moscow. It is my opinion that MON is seting up for a walk out. I dont know why etc, It's just the way he has been lately, his body language, his unconfortable complaints to the press about the fans.
I like the bloke and still want him to suceed with the Villa but something is definitely wrong, and i just do not mean with the team but other factors.
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I started to worry about Villa's future in those last four torrid minutes against Stoke.
In those minutes I crossed the bridge between the unswerving trust in our manager to having serious doubts about his managerial eccentricities.
Things must be bad, BG, if you have Lost Faith and crossed the Rubicon.
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I'm not worried, this is just a Blip.
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I'm not worried, this is just a Blip.
Good for you!
I'm not worried either as reality has just hit home and its about where I thought it would be!
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I'm not worried, this is just a Blip.
Good for you!
I'm not worried either as reality has just hit home and its about where I thought it would be!
Good for you!
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Start worrying this is more than a blip folks.
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I'm not worried, this is just a Blip.
Good for you!
I'm not worried either as reality has just hit home and its about where I thought it would be!
Good for you!
It's all good!
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Start worrying this is more than a blip folks.
It looks like a blip to me. Even United are having one!
Conceded six and score one in two games. Sounds a bit like us at the moment!
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I am not toooooo worried.
Went to see the reserves play tonight and some of them look pretty good prospects for the future.
However, I am worried for the Man Utd and Everton games.
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Start worrying this is more than a blip folks.
It looks like a blip to me. Even United are having one!
Conceded six and score one in two games. Sounds a bit like us at the moment!
Difference is, would u bet against the manc scum winning the league? And would u bet on us finishing above Everton?
Our blips tend to be a bit more spectacular than the mancs, bastards.
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I started to worry about Villa's future in those last four torrid minutes against Stoke.
In those minutes I crossed the bridge between the unswerving trust in our manager to having serious doubts about his managerial eccentricities.
I think the definition of fickle is moving that far because of one freak game. How many times will that ever happen, especially when you consider that Stoke were the opposition? It's like losing faith in the entire England cricket setup because of the 51 all-out. Not that we had much faith there anyway, so bad example. But still, 4 mental minutes? I think the other 2 and a half years outweigh them somewhat.
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If I were a fickle fan I would not be in my seventh decade as a Holte Ender and into my second housand Villa games attended.
The only way I have survived the worst horrors of those years and still come back for more is by being totally truthful with myself about the club I love.
The Stoke game was not four minutes of instant judgement, it was the fulcrum upon which my overall assessment of the Villa management turned.
After the Stoke game I was forced to ask myself the question how much has Martin O'Neill done personally to improve the team? Or, expressed another way, with Randy Lerner and a new broom sweeping away all the old regime, how much worse would any other manager called in to replace O'Leary have done?
I have very high regard for Martin O'Neill but the admission that I do not have the total confidence in him which I had a year ago is not fickleness, it is plain honesty.
My faith in Randy Lerner remains undiminished because in my opinion he has delivered on all our expectations off the playing pitch. It is my view that with an owner like Randy Lerner behind him any competent manager would have improved on O'Leary.
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Fucking A.
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A timely revival because I am worried.
Not about this season per se as looking back on what I said back in August it has almost exceeded my expectations.
However, next season is a different prospect. This year is probably the best chance we'll have of CL football. Arsenal will get themselves together and I think with an improved defence may be contenders for the league as will Liverpool. The only ones who I can see dropping is Chelsea unless they spend big.
The top four are not the only ones who worry me. Man City have pretty much all the money in the world and should be in the mix for Europa League next season at least. Tottenham have by all accounts a good side and as much as I may dislike him 'arry ain't no mug. This is on top of ourselves and Everton.
We lack quality in our squad. What we have is a group who are decent pros but no one really of class apart from Barry and A.Young on a good day. With MON's record in the market can we rely on him to get these quality players? We may well lose Gareth and I dunno if MON will get in a player who is as good if not better than him.
Still I'm probably thinking about this too early.
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Sandman I agree with all what you say but MON stated a while back we would not bankrupt ourselves and did he not state that wages were to be kept at 60% of turnover. Other clubs are going into massive debt to compete or already have almost a decade of Champs league money to build on, we do not. The reality of the modern Prem league is those clubs with the deepest pockets or take the biggest risks are those who will succeed.
Do we give up ? of course not but we have to realise as fans that the path we will be taking will be different to other clubs. Challenging Arsenal as we still are does not mean we can afford or even get the players like Ashravin. Thats why this summer I want us to go for young quality talent and build from there, whether they are English, British or foreign.
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I recall when just three of us kept this thread alive, its timely re-emergence only emphasises that we were right to be worried all along.
My biggest worry is that MON sees the game from a sixties perception and is finding it difficult to adapt to the modern game, he believes in being different at a time when following the trend is the thing to do.
Mind you if we beat United and Everton i am always willing to be fickle and jump on the MON bandwagon again.
To all of you that things are going along fine Piss off you don't belong here.
Mr Green and I have seen it all before.
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It's like being reunited with a long lost friend. I'm worried that it's out of the bag about Defour. If we don't sign him now, not only will I be worried, I will be mightily pissed off.
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FABULOUS! I love Fans Worried, it is indeed like being reunited with an old friend.
I'm also worried about Steven Defour - Standard are my favourite European Club, he is frickin AWESOME and the whole thing sounds way too good to be true.
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Are you allowed to post on this thread if you are just mildly distressed?
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the question is wll MON or any other manager have the chance that we have just blown to break into the top 4?
I doubt it, we might have been getting the rub of the green, we may have been lucky that arsenal were having a bad season and the other potential contenders were failing but we had a great opportunity and fucked up.
So what does the future of this famous club look like?
My view is that the R Lerner impact will be enough to keep us at the top end of the leaague with the odd cup run to sustain interst but we will look back on the last few weeks and realise that the hopes of a generation were squandered
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The mention of Standard Liege worries me.
The last player of any note we got from them was the never-to-become-the-Villa-legend-he-should-have-been, the doomed Luc Nilis.
If we change our ways and make a smooth, early and conclusive move for Defour I suggest our medical team gives extra special attention to the paragraph Leg Bones, Strength Of, before ticking the box.
That of course is probably hypothetical because our Big Name signing of the summer will probably be Fatty Huddlestone.
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The mention of Standard Liege worries me.
The last player of any note we got from them was the never-to-become-the-Villa-legend-he-should-have-been, the doomed Luc Nilis.
Would it ease your fears at all if I said that we signed Nilis from PSV Eindhoven?
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Ha!
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If I were a fickle fan I would not be in my seventh decade as a Holte Ender and into my second housand Villa games attended.
The only way I have survived the worst horrors of those years and still come back for more is by being totally truthful with myself about the club I love.
The Stoke game was not four minutes of instant judgement, it was the fulcrum upon which my overall assessment of the Villa management turned.
After the Stoke game I was forced to ask myself the question how much has Martin O'Neill done personally to improve the team? Or, expressed another way, with Randy Lerner and a new broom sweeping away all the old regime, how much worse would any other manager called in to replace O'Leary have done?
I have very high regard for Martin O'Neill but the admission that I do not have the total confidence in him which I had a year ago is not fickleness, it is plain honesty.
My faith in Randy Lerner remains undiminished because in my opinion he has delivered on all our expectations off the playing pitch. It is my view that with an owner like Randy Lerner behind him any competent manager would have improved on O'Leary.
Top post, Brian.
As a quinto-decadian I can only bow to your venerable experience and deep wisdom.
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...This year is probably the best chance we'll have of CL football....
I've read this a few times. It seems like a pretty irrational comment; on what basis can we predict the fortunes of half a dozen clubs over the next 12-24 months?
Using the last 24 months' trends, I would say that Villa are as well placed as any club in the top flight to continue progressing upwards. Unfortunately the past is not always a great predictor of future performance! In the end, we rely on RL and MON doing the right things, having learned from the experiences / errors made previously. Since the consensus is that we've made a few mistakes this season, we have the most to learn and therefore have the greatest potential for real progress going forwards...
well, it's a logic of sorts!
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I'm ever so slightly miffed.
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I'm chuffed to fcuk.
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I'm ok now, turns out it was just wind.
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YES! What a legendary thread!
I'm worried that Heskey might be injured whilst playing for England!
Wait... worried or ecstatic?!
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The mention of Standard Liege worries me.
The last player of any note we got from them was the never-to-become-the-Villa-legend-he-should-have-been, the doomed Luc Nilis.
Would it ease your fears at all if I said that we signed Nilis from PSV Eindhoven?
Plus it was a freak accident that put him out of the game for life... I had high hopes he would become Villa Great.
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If I were a fickle fan I would not be in my seventh decade as a Holte Ender and into my second housand Villa games attended.
The only way I have survived the worst horrors of those years and still come back for more is by being totally truthful with myself about the club I love.
The Stoke game was not four minutes of instant judgement, it was the fulcrum upon which my overall assessment of the Villa management turned.
After the Stoke game I was forced to ask myself the question how much has Martin O'Neill done personally to improve the team? Or, expressed another way, with Randy Lerner and a new broom sweeping away all the old regime, how much worse would any other manager called in to replace O'Leary have done?
I have very high regard for Martin O'Neill but the admission that I do not have the total confidence in him which I had a year ago is not fickleness, it is plain honesty.
My faith in Randy Lerner remains undiminished because in my opinion he has delivered on all our expectations off the playing pitch. It is my view that with an owner like Randy Lerner behind him any competent manager would have improved on O'Leary.
I honestly couldn't agree more.
I had a feeling after the Stoke game that the result would prove pivotal for us, and go far beyond dropping two points. Hard to explain, but it was just a "feeling".
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It's custom where I work to wear your club's tie to the office on a Monday morning if they win. I got a new Villa tie for Christmas. It's sat in the wardrobe for nearly three months now. I don't think it's in danger of fading from exposure to the light. Which is a worry.
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Iv'e read posters saying this will be the most important summer for MON
and signings, trouble is they seem to be the same posters who said the same thing last year.
MON needs to sign at least three quality players for me to be a believer again and i don't think on past record it's going to happen.
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Robbo - you'll understand this reference... Terry Wallace had a five year plan to take Richmond back to their early '80s glory. Here we are in Year 5 and the Tigers have taken a great leap backwards. Any optimism from the summer has evaporated. The parallels are very worrying.
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Robbo - you'll understand this reference... Terry Wallace had a five year plan to take Richmond back to their early '80s glory. Here we are in Year 5 and the Tigers have taken a great leap backwards. Any optimism from the summer has evaporated. The parallels are very worrying.
Worse still, didn't he start talking about a 7 year plan in a press conference last week while in year 5 of the 5 year plan.
It's not as bad as that though down at B6 though. We've had a bad run of late but let's not overreact, Richmond are like the Albion FFS!
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But surely we're not saying that being the best in Brum is good enough comparing our fortunes against those of other Midland sides is counter productive.
We are not just on a bad run to me the very basis of MONs coaching is under question, just the fact he doesn't usually see the players until a day before the game is a worry.
In fact everything is crap at the moment the Hawks have won only one in four is crap the recession is hitting my business, revenue down crap again, I lost a drink bet with a spam supporter, double crap.The Hawks knocked me out of the footy tipping i could go on and on and on.
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But surely we're not saying that being the best in Brum is good enough comparing our fortunes against those of other Midland sides is counter productive.
No i'm not comparing us to Albion, i'm comparing Richmond to Albion. I think they'd get walloped by anyone at the moment.
I agree that MON's tactics should come in for criticism right now. I think it was a major blunder to not put on a defensive midfielder ahead of the Fonz on Saturday. However, we have still come along way over the last 3 years and although we aren't there yet bit by bit I think we'll keep improving given the chance. I don't think the events of the last few weeks disguise a bigger more deep seated problem, I really don't.
Check out the first 40 or so pages of this thread to see what a Club heading in the wrond direction really looked like.
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No need to i was there in the early days.
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The worry is that we may have missed the boat this season and the momentum has been stopped. As you say Robbo every summer thus far has been called the most important for MON. but for differing reasons. this one is the most important because get this wrong and we go backwards, then his job is on the line.
the longest honeymoon period for any manager ever is seemingly over with more people identifying MON as the reason for the prolonged slump and poor decisions taken all for the pursuit of 4th place.
Which, with Arsenal currently in the semi-finals of the Champions League, may have seen us with our basket full of eggs in 4th spot still only being good enough for the Europa league anyway.
But the 'Worry' now is that once again Villa may have missed the boat. But luckily this time it seems that the fault isn't going to be located in the boardroom, but on the pitch. That is easier to fix.
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Maybe other managers would have done as good a job as MON when Randy came in, but it is hard to believe that someone else would have done better.
Critisism of MONs tactics is off the mark, two top seven (at least) finishes in the past two years out of a professional league of 92 with the top 4 way ahead is success in anyone's estimation.
MONs transfer record is one open to debate.I believe he has bought players to strengthen a mid table finish, who have outperformed their status. Would a defence with Ridgewell and Cahill in it have been much worse than Knight/Davies/ Cuellar? Is petrov better at going forward than Steven Davis, or better at tackling then Gavin McCann? Is Freidel better than Carson, we conceded 42 goals with Scott in goal last season, and have conceded 43 this season with five game to go? Would Shay Given not have been a stronger long term replacement?
Of course there have been successes too.
I approach the summer riven by doubt. Are we a couple of players off aChamps leage spot? - as the first three quaters of the season suggested.
Or are we in for a relegation struggle? - as our last quarter of the season form suggests. it happened to Everton after their top four finish.
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I am worried, worried, worried.
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Can anyone offer an explanation as to why mon refuses to revert to the set up that was so successful with one up front, at his press conference he was talking about entertaining football well i would sacrifice a bit of entertainment for a scrappy win.
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If I were a fickle fan I would not be in my seventh decade as a Holte Ender and into my second housand Villa games attended.
The only way I have survived the worst horrors of those years and still come back for more is by being totally truthful with myself about the club I love.
The Stoke game was not four minutes of instant judgement, it was the fulcrum upon which my overall assessment of the Villa management turned.
After the Stoke game I was forced to ask myself the question how much has Martin O'Neill done personally to improve the team? Or, expressed another way, with Randy Lerner and a new broom sweeping away all the old regime, how much worse would any other manager called in to replace O'Leary have done?
I have very high regard for Martin O'Neill but the admission that I do not have the total confidence in him which I had a year ago is not fickleness, it is plain honesty.
My faith in Randy Lerner remains undiminished because in my opinion he has delivered on all our expectations off the playing pitch. It is my view that with an owner like Randy Lerner behind him any competent manager would have improved on O'Leary.
I honestly couldn't agree more.
I had a feeling after the Stoke game that the result would prove pivotal for us, and go far beyond dropping two points. Hard to explain, but it was just a "feeling".
Me too, I 'knew' within those 4 minutes we had fucked it up and wouldn't recover for the rest of the season, coming hot on the heels of the UEFA Cup 'withdrawal' this was the week that turned what was looking like a great season into yet another season of disappointment.
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I am chuffed to bits with being a Villa fan at the moment. Not as chuffed as I was a couple of months ago, but chuffed nonetheless.
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Well it is not a case of I have supported them longer. somewhere in the region of 40 years, so that makes me a better fan, but I am in fact pissed off, we have never and in my opinion will never have a better chance of breaking the sky wankfest, about 8 weeks ago I was talking to a Leeds fan and he was astounded to hear me say, that MON was in fact not the dogs bollocks in my opinion that alot of Villa fans were making him out to be and also those same fans that have been easily led by the media, because the one thing MON does excel at is telling them a line that then goes on to make a good story and in turn release the pressure on him, not the players, was in fact the man to take us upwards and onwards. Tactically we have all seen this season he is lacking. Stubbornly he is a pain in the arse, playing players out of position, not playing players for whatever reason, or one we are not told about.
I have not got a clue who if anyone should take over from him, but I would give him till the end of next season and if Champions league football has not been got, say thanks but on your way. Harshe maybe, but I am not a blue nose who is used to setling for second best, once Ellis went them days should have been over.
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Villa in the gulf I read the middle section of your heartful post with considerable interest.
I have submitted a piece for Dave to consider for the next edition of the mag entitled Somewhere Over The Rainbow in which I try to put across, albeit allegorically, exactly the point you are making. I hope Dave considers it good enough to publish because it is an equally heartfelt cry by me.
I hope you get the mag in the gulf.
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After the west Ham goal, I looked around the pitch at all the players and they looked totally deflated ... gone was the spirit that brought us back into the Everton game a couple of weeks ago. We are lacking a player who has the utmost desire to win, someone who on Saturday would have lifted the team and made sure we didn`t have to suffer 15 -15 mins of panic.
I thought NRC may have been that player but MON must think otherwise.
We desparately need "winners" in the side `cause without them we will continue to hover in mid table.
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You are absolutely spot on VCTM. What we need is good old captaincy. We need a gobby, bad tempered, defeat hating bully out there among all those introverts. If you could put back the clock and put Curtis Davies alongside Allan Evans for a few games by God you would see a transformation in that young player. And likewise The Master alongside Cuellar to show him that you do not need to run fast to defend, you just need to know where the ball is going next.
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I have been having minor doubts not only with MON but the relationship between him and the Board. I think a gap has emerged in their relatinship and our football has been affected.
I was at the Moscow dinner and we could see how stubborn MON can be. He was apparently very open and discussed the reasons why we sent a weakened side to Moscow but it was not MONs most convincing speech.
I think MON believed he could do it the Brian Clough way and it has worked for him up to now but life is more difficult at the top of the premier league and sides do need that special talent to win games or to stop them losing.
MOn needs to find them and work with them but not just when Saturday comes.
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You are both right, i think Davies is goingt to be top quality, but when his form is suffering, he tends to lose concentration, and positional play, and go chaseing the ball.......hence exposing Cuellar.
Needs to take a step back and slow down and more importantly become more composed.
Rding MON, when we 1st signed him, i was'nt sure, i thought we would become a bit long ball.
Overall though i think his long term planning will bring benefits to the club.The aquisition of good young English talent will mean they are all worth at least what we purchased them for, with Ayoung and Gabby significantly more.I think he also purchases players to fit into a system, so that he buys a player with a specific role for him, hence Sidwell and a 5 man midfield system.Whereby i think he has made errors is that some players have'nt stepped up to the mark yet.
Sidwell shoud be gtting about 10-15 goals a year, i think the lack of close season training, and injuries, have limited him, and made him look a poor player, which he is not.Get him back to his Reading standard and he is a bargain., aged 24.
NRC.....has all the abilities to be one of the best midfielders in the Prem.....pace, aggression, needs to improve his passing and shooting, but i would back him in a tackle against anybody, aged 22.
Davies......remind me so much of Ferdinand in his early days, but bigger quicker, better in the air, and more aggressive, needs to develop concentration, aged 22.
When he signed Cuellar i was happy, but he was'nt worth the money.Nt a bad player, and a good defender, lacks a bit of pace, but lets wait and see.
Not sure about Lyoung or Shorey i'm afaid, Shoreys better at gouing foward, but again lacks a bit of pace.A back 4 of LYoung, Shorey, Davies and Cuellar is too slow.
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I think Reo-Coker is 24, and Sidwell may be a wee bit older than what you say but I agree with your points.
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I was at the Moscow dinner and we could see how stubborn MON can be. He was apparently very open and discussed the reasons why we sent a weakened side to Moscow but it was not MONs most convincing speech.
I think MON believed he could do it the Brian Clough way
Brian Clough would never've fielded an understrength team like that. Not saying it wasn't the right thing to do in the circs, but Clough wouldn't have done it.
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Not sure about Lyoung or Shorey i'm afaid, Shoreys better at gouing foward, but again lacks a bit of pace.A back 4 of LYoung, Shorey, Davies and Cuellar is too slow.
Just out of curiosity, where is the pace in Liverpool's back four? Or AC Milan's?
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I am chuffed to bits with being a Villa fan at the moment. Not as chuffed as I was a couple of months ago, but chuffed nonetheless.
Less of that cheerfulness. Don't you know the rules of being a Villa fan?
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I'm not chuffed, we're in freefall. I am worried about next season and can only hope that MON proves me wrong this summer.
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is suffering, he tends to lose concentration, and positional pYou are both right, i think Davies is goingt to be top quality, but when his form lay, and go chaseing the ball.......hence exposing Cuellar.
Needs to take a step back and slow down and more importantly become more composed.
Rding MON, when we 1st signed him, i was'nt sure, i thought we would become a bit long ball.
Overall though i think his long term planning will bring benefits to the club.The aquisition of good young English talent will mean they are all worth at least what we purchased them for, with Ayoung and Gabby significantly more.I think he also purchases players to fit into a system, so that he buys a player with a specific role for him, hence Sidwell and a 5 man midfield system.Whereby i think he has made errors is that some players have'nt stepped up to the mark yet.
Sidwell shoud be gtting about 10-15 goals a year, i think the lack of close season training, and injuries, have limited him, and made him look a poor player, which he is not.Get him back to his Reading standard and he is a bargain., aged 24. NRC.....has all the abilities to be one of the best midfielders in the Prem.....pace, aggression, needs to improve his passing and shooting, but i would back him in a tackle against anybody, aged 22.
Davies......remind me so much of Ferdinand in his early days, but bigger quicker, better in the air, and more aggressive, needs to develop concentration, aged 22.
When he signed Cuellar i was happy, but he was'nt worth the money.Nt a bad player, and a good defender, lacks a bit of pace, but lets wait and see.
Not sure about Lyoung or Shorey i'm afaid, Shoreys better at gouing foward, but again lacks a bit of pace.A back 4 of LYoung, Shorey, Davies and Cuellar is too slow.
should have gone to spec savers
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I'm chuffed to fuck but it has nothing to do with Villa!
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I'm chuffed to fuck but it has nothing to do with Villa!
Because you're ugly and usually follow the solo path to heaven?
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Dave, good point about Lplops defence not being quick, 1st good point in about 12 mths , not too bad........but if you look Arses , Man Ures defence then you have plenty of pace.
Thing about Lplop, you have Carragher, and an almost Macca kind of sense of positioning, we have'nt got a player like that, and if he was out i'd think they would struggle.
AC Milan, are not where they should be at the moment, so probably not the best example.
I just like a bit more pace in the whole team.
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I'm chuffed to fuck but it has nothing to do with Villa!
Because you're ugly and usually follow the solo path to heaven?
No - THIS! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_conf/8011488.stm)
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I'm chuffed to fuck but it has nothing to do with Villa!
Because you're ugly and usually follow the solo path to heaven?
No - THIS! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_conf/8011488.stm)
Hopefully Southport will get there after the play offs.
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I'm chuffed to fuck but it has nothing to do with Villa!
Because you're ugly and usually follow the solo path to heaven?
No - THIS! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_conf/8011488.stm)
Hopefully Southport will get there after the play offs.
I'd like to see them do it as well, but I can't see it, they seem to have lost all momentum and the manager is under all sorts of fire from the fans (God knows why, they've had a decent season).
Gateshead are the best team I've seen this season, they should make it through the play-offs.
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Sidwell has been a sack of shit but he has had a load of chances.
If he can learn to finish I think he could be very effective for us.
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for Sidwell read Petrov. Hopefully.
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Anyone else getting worried again?
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Good to see this back .... am I worried ? Yes, I have failed to see MON turn around a poor sequence of events lasting three months and indeed he looks increasingly less able to do so with each match.
Its going to be a long summer .......
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can the mods please delete this. As when ever the church of O'Neil followers run out of arguments they bring this back and hope that the people that have opened their eyes and seen o'neil is not the messiah they bring this back. just face it he is out of his depth now and i can't see him taking us any higher than we are now.
So yes i am worried that the person that is ment to be the best manager has no clue that Forward/Winger doesn't mean Full Back!!!!! If it's true that Shorey called him a w*nker when he was subbed then i salute him.
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Errrr...?
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I am worried that people are going wibbly.
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I'm worried.
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Wow! where did this thread get resurrected from?
Bet it gets locked pdq!
Btw, I'm a bit worried, but not too much.
That's not to say I'm not concerned, but in a relaxed way.
Sort of chilled, man, if you get my drift.
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Why would it get locked? This thread is a classic.
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I'm worried we're going to be overtaken by Birmingham City. Oh wait, I lied.
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Whatever!
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I'm worried about the hairdresser at the Sty.
I'm worried that he'll only remain there for one season due to financial 'difficulties' (ie he has to go on the run a la Shinawatra Special Sauce at Citeh).
I hope he stays for 5 years minimum.
Long enough to run the club into the ground, get attendances to fall even further (thats a tough one, but I reckon he's the guy to do it) so that when they eventually pave over the Sty and build new low cost housing, no-one will give a shit.
He'll make the Kumars look like Sir Jack Hayward, given time.
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Why would it get locked? This thread is a classic.
Check out
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=31544&start=255
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I'm worried.
I'm worried because I'm not worried.
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i,m always worried.
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I'm worried! Just to be a part of this glorious, seemingly eternal thread! :)
I'm worried Chelsea might be a tonking for us, but that's about it!
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Maybe we should put the Orange Dot in this thread to reassure any worriers. Feel it's citrus-y power!
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You lot may treat this thread with disdain but it carried us through some very dark days, and i might add gave an outlet for Peter W, myself, JD whatevers happened to him? and a few others to pontificate in the early hours pommie time over all the negative vibes around Villa Park.
I have a feeling it is going to take off again.
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I'm worried about the worriers.
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Whatever!
Read it from the beginning, the first 80 or so pages are spectacular, a true all-time H&V Classic indeed.
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Whatever!
I'm worried about the moose!
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Robbo - JD is still around. He's been working so couldn't get on here as much as before.
But for those amongst us that also frequent, ahem, The Other Place, I do have a particular area of concern at the moment.
Not sure if its a worry or not. But definitely something's not right.
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I'm worried about the worriers not worrying.
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I'm worried about the worriers not worrying.
A quick look at those accounts you just sent me Mark, and I'm even more glad than usual that I'm not a Blues fan!
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Well it is Friday and I thought that Sir may like something for the weekend.
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Why would it get locked? This thread is a classic.
Check out
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=31544&start=255
I'm guessing Dave locked that due to amount of Heskey threads. In my defence I only posted on it as Fletchers post made me laugh and thought it was very funny and the gag needed one last encore :-)
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Not worried, weirdly. Whatever will be will be.
Though I was on orange Worry Alert v Man Citeh, upgraded to red at half time.
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You lot may treat this thread with disdain but it carried us through some very dark days, and i might add gave an outlet for Peter W, myself, JD whatevers happened to him? and a few others to pontificate in the early hours pommie time over all the negative vibes around Villa Park.
I have a feeling it is going to take off again.
No disdain from me certainly! I loved reading this thread. Glad to see it back!
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The thead that dare not speak it's name.
Lives ruined, reputations enhanced, friends lost & gained, sane minds have become twisted & twisted minds have become sane.
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Hate to say it, but if Milner goes to Citeh it's time to start worrying (again).
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Supporting us is like groundhog day. We finish sixth just like the last two years, we may well lose one of our best players (just like last season) or face a protracted transfer saga with the player staying against his wishes (like season before last) before leaving next season.
That's not to mention the same problems rearing their ugly head again and again (style of play, right backs, transfer policy...)
It's like a tired formulaic TV show.
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Not my favourite thread again. It's that time of year again.
I'm not worried yet, it's too early after the season has ended.
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Supporting us is like groundhog day. We finish sixth just like the last two years, we may well lose one of our best players (just like last season) or face a protracted transfer saga with the player staying against his wishes (like season before last) before leaving next season.
That's not to mention the same problems rearing their ugly head again and again (style of play, right backs, transfer policy...)
It's like a tired formulaic TV show.
When we left the Blackburn game on the last day, I said to my friend, I bet this time next year, we've finished in pretty much the same place, having experienced pretty much the same limitations, and having had pretty much the same moans as this year and the year before. It is all so predictable.
Home matches this season have been the most predictable thing ever. If we could change one thing for next season, I'd just like us to do things a bit differently - to try something else, for want of a better phrase.
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I'm not too happy in seeing this thread back again. Its too dangerous to be played with. I say this in all honesty that myself, JD, or Robbo should really have been consulted fully before unleashing it again.
Okay a few others knew how to handle it but there are still far too many, and my God those newbies, who may not come back again once they dive in.
Jesus, you remember that one poster? Said that she was going to read it all - I think it was a she - and after a few bright early posts she went in and was never seen or heard of again.
This thread is not to be messed with. Nor is it right to summons it without due care and attention. Just a friendly piece of advice. Nothing more.
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I'm worried I've got sunburn.
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I am worried that if this thread was locked where would the "worriers" be able to worry ...............
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As an occasional worrier, I can't say I'm worried right now. More mildly disappointed and resigned to a frustrating couple of months. But that wouldn't make such a dramatic thread - "Villa fans mildly disappointed about future".
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I predict that half way through next season this thread will be back to its glory days. After MON has bought the next Heskey look alike and he still hasn't understood that you should really play a right back at right back, when Chris Smith is heroically manning a single man defence of the manager in a way that only CM can, and all the happy clappers revolt in their unique vomit enducing revolting way.
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But will we see the return of the Mooney?
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Still the funniest descent into lunacy one can possibly imagine to witness.
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This thread pops up from time to time and I keep wondering what it's all about.
Fuck it, I'm going in. If I'm not back in a couple of days, send a rescue party!
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Shit, don't. Seriously there was a new poster who was all bright and breezy and loved being here. Then she had the same idea as you did. Never saw her again. i'm not kidding. Anyway, the lunatic finally goes mental around page 90 ish as I recall. Pure comedy. In a car crash way.
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*shouts*
VSM, you okay in there, VSM? You know the drill, just knock on the hull if you're alive.
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I got as far as Page 35 and had to come up for air.
To be continued.
And thanks for the concern Peter!
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You're just in the theory bits. Trust me, its like a comedy version of THe Usual Suspects. you won't expect whats coming.
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Shit, don't. Seriously there was a new poster who was all bright and breezy and loved being here. Then she had the same idea as you did. Never saw her again. i'm not kidding. Anyway, the lunatic finally goes mental around page 90 ish as I recall. Pure comedy. In a car crash way.
I thought I'd take a look at that. As it happens, I landed on Page 88 and read this.
... The Wigan result was an eye opener if ever there needed to be one. Just beat the shit, everyone should've been up. 0-2 at home is relegation standard. We're in serios trouble on the pitch and no amount of takeovers, and Irishman are going to change that this season.
I returned to this page to ponder the fact that you posted that on Halloween's day 2005.
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and all the happy clappers revolt in their unique vomit enducing revolting way.
Ah yes, takes me back to the Happy Clapper revolt of '65. I was throwing up for 6 weeks after that one!!
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Shit, don't. Seriously there was a new poster who was all bright and breezy and loved being here. Then she had the same idea as you did. Never saw her again. i'm not kidding. Anyway, the lunatic finally goes mental around page 90 ish as I recall. Pure comedy. In a car crash way.
I thought I'd take a look at that. As it happens, I landed on Page 88 and read this.
... The Wigan result was an eye opener if ever there needed to be one. Just beat the shit, everyone should've been up. 0-2 at home is relegation standard. We're in serios trouble on the pitch and no amount of takeovers, and Irishman are going to change that this season.
I remember posting that. I was right as well.
I returned to this page to ponder the fact that you posted that on Halloween's day 2005.
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Quite prophetic, though Peter was presumably referencing the Comber brothers. The notion of O'Neill arriving in autumn 2005 would have seemed rather odd.
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I'm worried that Peter might be a witch.
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I know everything, me. Just had it proven.
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I tried to read all through this once. Sadly, the thread defeated me.
I'll try again. This is Mount Everest and I'm George Mallory.
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Best thread ever on H&V.
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Morning JD, we've had two injury plagued seasons from Laursen. More from the perennially injured Delaney, which leaves a waning Mellberg. i think its imperative to get two centre-halves. Lescott maybe, but like you I don't know if he's good enough yet. One who is is Curtis Davies at the A lbion. Out of the two I'd much rather have him. No, to Distin, how about a bid for Silvestre?
Burn the witch!
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Well at least Peter was right about Lescott. Don't think he will ever be ready, looks like a one season wonder at the moment.
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By the way, what is the record for the longest thread? I know the Bartons hit page 374, but can anyone give a definitive answer? Oh, and all those that hounded that poor landlord chap out of a job,home, and a happy life, is it a better pub now?
And to think we are nearly at that page number now!
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A quick single towards the thread record.
Anyway, I'm off to dive back into this thread.
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I'm up to page 85.
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Ha!
261.
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I just LOVE how he was constantly looking for "satisfaction". Pistols at dawn anyone?
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Who? Mick Jagger?
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Who? Mick Jagger?
Come now, don't wipe laughing gravy / herr mooney completely from your memory!
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I don't have much of this thread left to read so should be finished by later today. I'm worried I'll have nothing to do upon this event.
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By the way, what is the record for the longest thread? I know the Bartons hit page 374, but can anyone give a definitive answer? Oh, and all those that hounded that poor landlord chap out of a job,home, and a happy life, is it a better pub now?
And to think we are nearly at that page number now!
Yes.
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I agree with OCD that Gabby and Carew are not prolific enough at the moment. We've also lost goals as our rivals have rumbled our ability to score from set pieces (thanks in no small part to the fact that every newspaper in the land has been trumpeting it). The goals have just stopped. Now with Young regularly being marked out of games we have absolutely no threat.
We have three consecutive games that should be bankers but they're not. I can't see where our goals against Bolton are going to come from unless Jloyd gives us a helping hand, thigh or head. Their defence is having a bad time of it yet I can't see how we're going to capitalise on this flaw. The Trotters defence has been unlucky more than bad if you ask me.
Then there's the game against Blues in two weeks. Zarate is a class above their usual dross. He may pose us problems in the game. Luckily I have more faith in their defences sheer ineptitude than his skill so I still preserve hope for the game.
Who is this clown?
He got that wrong.
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At least you agreed with me on something for a change Sandman.
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There's a first time for everything I guess.
That's me done all 373 pages and as such I now understand the very essence of this thread's pitch black soul.
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A synopsis is required.
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It all began five years ago with a mysterious organisation called VFC who much like the KGB are of unknown size and could be anywhere they were worried. There was much discussion of this organisation and their ends into which emerged a young chap or indeed old man called Laughing Gravity or Mooney who one must assume means he was member of the Mad Moonie cult ell that was what I assumed. He went mad and insinuated the mods were all part of a Jewish/Gay mafia who were out to get him (This fifty page section is perhaps recommended reading).
However, Mooney came and went and talk moved onto our erstwhile manager and our erstwhile chairman as the Villa plugged their way to the end of the season. Among this a hardcore of Southern Hemisphereites called the nightcrawlers and led by peter w attempted to keep this thread from daylight dandies who stole every milestone whilst the Southern Hemisphereites. Around this time Doug and Pugnose departed Aston and worry dissipated unless you were peter w, JD or Robbo and talk moved onto cricket, handbags and IanB's virtual stag do.
That said at periodical points the randomness was disturbed by genuine worriers who were concerned by the Villa's annual slump and our transfer window inactivity. That's about it.
Oh I forgot about Shaun Udal and MysticRaven...
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Not bad at all.
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Shaun Udal! Forgot about him. Very funny. did I mention my missus calling Ashley Giles Ashley Judd? Not sure he liked it.
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Mystic Raven i remember her/him very well, a tease of majestic proportions
promised to post a photo but disappeared as fast as she/him came. The depression on this thread really gave me a lift at times.
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Shaun Udal! Forgot about him. Very funny. did I mention my missus calling Ashley Giles Ashley Judd? Not sure he liked it.
Oh yeah, Shaun Udal chatting up Pete's missus. Forgot about that one.
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Shaun Udal! Forgot about him. Very funny. did I mention my missus calling Ashley Giles Ashley Judd? Not sure he liked it.
Oh yeah, Shaun Udal chatting up Pete's missus. Forgot about that one.
More than that he asked her out for dinner. Then a few days/weeks later he took his first test wicket aged 36 or something. Cue stories of him being held up as proof that if you keep perservering you can still achieve your dreams.
Also lovely heart-warming cameras in his home with his wife and 3 young children. She was saying how great a person and family man he was.
I found it funny to be honest. What goes on tour ain't staying there this time Mr Udal, you cad.
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I'm worried we will be stuck in a perpetual position of just outside the top four.
I'm worried that we will sign Carlton Cole or some other utterly crap player.
I'm worried by my recently developed addiction to Solitaire.
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sPOKEN LIKE A TRUE WORRIER. wHERE WERE YOU DURING THOSE CANDLELIGHT VIGILS AROUND OUR KEYBOARDS CIRCA 2006-2008?
Ah, bloody capslock.
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I'm up to page 120-odd now. Following LG out the door so far is ianrobo.
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I agree with OCD that Gabby and Carew are not prolific enough at the moment. We've also lost goals as our rivals have rumbled our ability to score from set pieces (thanks in no small part to the fact that every newspaper in the land has been trumpeting it). The goals have just stopped. Now with Young regularly being marked out of games we have absolutely no threat.
We have three consecutive games that should be bankers but they're not. I can't see where our goals against Bolton are going to come from unless Jloyd gives us a helping hand, thigh or head. Their defence is having a bad time of it yet I can't see how we're going to capitalise on this flaw. The Trotters defence has been unlucky more than bad if you ask me.
Then there's the game against Blues in two weeks. Zarate is a class above their usual dross. He may pose us problems in the game. Luckily I have more faith in their defences sheer ineptitude than his skill so I still preserve hope for the game.
Who is this clown?
He got that wrong.
Haha. In those 3 games we scored 4 against Bolton, fired 5 past the bluenoses and 6 at Derby. Don't worry, be happy Mr Sandman. Just turn on your magic beam.
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I'm lonely..
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I know how you feel Robbo.
Nobody worries about us fans trapped out here in Oz!
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Not 'fans'.......'nightcrawlers'!!!
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You should be trapped over here. Most of the news is about injured All Blacks - aaarrrghhh.
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NZ....gotta love their accents. A Kiwi bird at our local shppoing centre came over the PA a few weeks back to say that "A black Mitsubishi Magna had left it's lights on".
Fucking brilliant! *
*If you don't know the NZ accent, that is in no way fucking brilliant.
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And its all about the wockets win playing crocket.
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Pisstakers the lot of ya and it can't be right because there's no Kiiwis left in NZ they're all over here.
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What's the weather like over the sea JD?
Here in Sydney it's fucking throwing it down! I don't think it's stopped raining now for 3 days.
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Pisstakers the lot of ya and it can't be right because there's no Kiiwis left in NZ they're all over here.
And oz is full od Aisans and expats. All the Aussies are trying to to get their jobs back from the South Africans over here.
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What's the weather like over the sea JD?
Here in Sydney it's fucking throwing it down! I don't think it's stopped raining now for 3 days.
Come north young man. It's fantastic up here!
Ah Queensland. Beautiful one day, perfect the next.
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It's been lovely here in Scotland blazing sunshine the last three days.
With my past record on predictions I think we're going to suffer several weeks of rain after tomorrow, Carlton Cole signing for the Villa and MoN and Milner leaving.
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What's the weather like over the sea JD?
Here in Sydney it's fucking throwing it down! I don't think it's stopped raining now for 3 days.
Come north young man. It's fantastic up here!
Ah Queensland. Beautiful one day, perfect the next.
I was in the process of booking a flight up to Brisbane last week when I got the call to say I'd got a job down here, so I'm going to ride it out for now and come up in March/April next year.
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What's the weather like over the sea JD?
Here in Sydney it's fucking throwing it down! I don't think it's stopped raining now for 3 days.
Sunny today VSM. Been a lot of rain and flooding over the past week, but it's a long weekend and the sun is shining. Bloody cold though, was 0c when I biked to the gym after the Slovenia v All Whites game this morning.
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What's the weather like over the sea JD?
Here in Sydney it's fucking throwing it down! I don't think it's stopped raining now for 3 days.
Sunny today VSM. Been a lot of rain and flooding over the past week, but it's a long weekend and the sun is shining. Bloody cold though, was 0c when I biked to the gym after the Slovenia v All Whites game this morning.
-12 in Whitehaven.
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Luckily it's still T-shirt weather in Sydney (well for me it is anyway - the locals are all wrapping themselves up!). It's just very wet at the moment!
I'm worried!
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You worried it might flood VSM?
It's been flooding over here in the past week and has started raining again. Not a good time to work in the Insurance business and be on call for the whole country. At least I live up a hill.
I'm worried I will miss a Villa signing, as the transfer thread turns into an argument thread.
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Thought this may be relevant due to our current plight.
We need to stop the rot soon otherwise this will be a long bleak winter.
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It's been lovely here in Scotland blazing sunshine the last three days.
With my past record on predictions I think we're going to suffer several weeks of rain after tomorrow, Carlton Cole signing for the Villa and MoN and Milner leaving.
FUCK! My predictions got better there.
I agree D.boy. This needs revived I'm bricking it!
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Oh jesus wept. Not this thread.
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Thought this may be relevant due to our current plight.
We need to stop the rot soon otherwise this will be a long bleak winter.
Are we marching? Lol
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Surely its not that bad...
The re-emergence of this thread is worrying :(
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The best thing about this thread is that ultimately it had very little to do with worry. It had some good laughs, we saw a man descend into madness and some funny stories.
We'll need that.
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At the moment this is an utter fucking shambles. If Kevin Mac wasn't decided immediately or pretty much immediately then he wasn't the right man for the job. We need some decisive action and already we are out of Europe again. I genuinely saw no way we would lose tonight, but we did. This is a joke.
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My big worry is that Randy has given up chasing the dream and will settle for mid table until he can sell, and by the way make a nice profit.
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Just read the first page again. Things aren't that bad at least.
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What really worried me most tonight was the amount of empty seats and the lack of atmosphere. That was a villa park I hadn't seen in a good number of years......
I hope we get our act together soon...
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You'd have seen it last year against Vienna or anytime we play a minnow at home in the cup.
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I'm worried that if Villa keep performing so badly, I'm going to blow a gasket at work. It's so f$%king hard trying to work all day after the last two shit results. People expect me to be nice to them, but it just ain't happening. Sometimes I f@%king hate Villa.
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Hardly as worried as when this thread was started. Back then, we feared that we'd go into the Championship and then possibly out of business (extreme, I know, but there were worries). Now we're worried that we have to rebuild from a position of relative strength and forfeit some short-term success. It's not nice, and it's massive deja-vu for all of us, but it could be worse.
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Hardly as worried as when this thread was started. Back then, we feared that we'd go into the Championship and then possibly out of business (extreme, I know, but there were worries). Now we're worried that we have to rebuild from a position of relative strength and forfeit some short-term success. It's not nice, and it's massive deja-vu for all of us, but it could be worse.
Just read the first page again. Things aren't that bad at least.
Agree with both of these points. It's really frustrating and doing my head in but it has been worse. This manager appointment will be the most crucial for a long time.
The most annoying thing though is yes, we have been here before and we'd (maybe stupidly) hoped those days were over.
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Hey ho.
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Wahey! I've missed this old thing :D
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I hope if we are to have a bad relegation battling season then that the one brightside would be that we will see a return to the glory days of this thread.
I could use some talk of 'gay mafias' and what not to amuse me through dark times.
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I hope if we are to have a bad relegation battling season then that the one brightside would be that we will see a return to the glory days of this thread.
I could use some talk of 'gay mafias' and what not to amuse me through dark times.
Was that this thread? I remember LG going on about 'gay waiting rooms' and the like. I wish we could bring him back for a week to show people how mental he was before banning him again. Could be a bi-annual event.
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We know when things are bad THE thread returns. Am i worried ? i will let you know after the Baggies game.
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I'll let you know before if you like: I'm worried.
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Following the Spurs debacle I'd like to register worry, concern and a hint of despair. Spankings from Man City and Chelsea aren't likely to ease matters and unless Houlier has some miraculous signings planned in Jan, we can look forward to a relegation battle with kids and has-beens. Happy Christmas.
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Slightly concerned but I am sure that all will be well eventually. A bad Christmas and New Year followed by a slight resurgence with us finishing in mid-table. Plenty to look forward to next season.
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I'm still not concerned about relegation. I'll start to worry the nearer we get to May, if we don't start pulling out.
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I hate this thread! I am confident things will get better but I think they will get worse before they do.
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Stats do not support relegation fear. We have collected almost nothing from the last 6 games (4 out 0f 18) yet we are still clear of relegation zone by 4 points. May be the next two games are going to yield nothing and we will be at rock bottom (from results point of view) we will still be clear of bottom 3. So from that point on we can only improve which we will as players return from injury and get match fit.
I have not given up on qualifying for Europe just yet!
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Blimey, that's optimism for ya!
Although we are only 3 pts off 7th? See it's rubbing off on me now!
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Stats do not support relegation fear. We have collected almost nothing from the last 6 games (4 out 0f 18) yet we are still clear of relegation zone by 4 points. May be the next two games are going to yield nothing and we will be at rock bottom (from results point of view) we will still be clear of bottom 3. So from that point on we can only improve which we will as players return from injury and get match fit.
I have not given up on qualifying for Europe just yet!
Which reminds me, I must pop out and buy some more crack.
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As I've said on a few threads we will end up in midtable this season. Players will return and come in and things will look up.
However, I do hope for a few mental collapses of posters to keep the good ship of this thread afloat. Very little of this has thread has to do with worrying.
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I'm fucking shiting it.
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I'm fucking shiting it.
I'm shivering like a proverbial shitting dog.
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I'm fucking shiting it.
I'm shivering like a proverbial shitting dog.
Ditto. What a horrid feeling. I feel so powerless too. Hoping we can scrape two wins and a couple of draws.
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I still have high hopes for a top half finishing. But after yesterday, I just can't stop looking at the relegation places. The points seperating between the bottom half teams are very little. Look at it any way you like, we're in a dogfight right now. Win the next game, and we're in the top half. Lose, oh God, I'm not even going to think about that....
We can do this. Heads up everyone. UTV.
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I still have high hopes for a top half finishing. But after yesterday, I just can't stop looking at the relegation places. The points seperating between the bottom half teams are very little. Look at it any way you like, we're in a dogfight right now. Win the next game, and we're in the top half. Lose, oh God, I'm not even going to think about that....
We can do this. Heads up everyone. UTV.
I started paying more attention than usual to The Football League Show last night!
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Cometh the hour, cometh the thread. Welcome back old friend.
I was merely fretting earlier in the season. Now I'm genuinely worried. Not least because of the shit I hung on Newcastle supporting mates a couple of years ago...
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The return of my old friend. I am worried that we will get relegated as we had no fight yesterday and looked like a team that is doomed. There are teams who aren't as good as Villa but they will fight for their clubs, most of our players didn't show that yesterday. Forget the cliche that we are too good to go down, you're only as good as the points you get and at the moment we are awful.
Oh and I'm worried that my house won't survive all the aftershocks and will eventually collapse :'(.
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Oh dear, you really know we are in the shit when this thread hoves into view. A bit like when Villa supporters used to sing 'we'll support you ever more' or 'we'll never die'' it was always the precurser to a bad place, bad time - not happy songs those. Melancholy from the terraces.
I think after Saturday we've upped the Fuckishima style worried-ometer from merely 'worried' to 'absolutely bricking it'.
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hi thread.... well who couldnt be worried.....we are a shambles total dissgrace...bet william mcgregors turning in his grave
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Cor, nice to see the old boy return. I am genuinely shitting it after Saturday.
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Hello darkness my old friend
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worried doesnt even begin to cover it!!
Unless the cheese eating surrender monkey goes in the next 48 hours, were down already! my only hope is the scum go down with us!
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worried doesnt even begin to cover it!!
Unless the cheese eating surrender monkey goes in the next 48 hours, were down already! my only hope is the scum go down with us!
If we both go down we should organise a joint demonstration march through the City, obviously we'd have to lead the way as they have'nt got a clue were they're going
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Cometh the hour, cometh the thread. Welcome back old friend.
I was merely fretting earlier in the season. Now I'm genuinely worried. Not least because of the shit I hung on Newcastle supporting mates a couple of years ago...
Had a sense that the schadenfreude on display that afternoon would come back to bite us on the arse someday, I didn't expect that it could possibly have been so soon.
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After Saturday I promised myself that I have to stop making my family suffer for the failings of Aston Villa. There is no point worrying and fretting and losing sleep about things you can't control. Nothing I do can get us a single goal or a single point.
I spent Sunday playing with the kids and helping my missus in the garden, and felt no better at all, but I may have fooled them.
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I am still very, very angry about it.
I promised I wouldn't get like that this season and even took the defeat to that lot in the cup in good grace.
But Saturday left a very bitter taste indeed.
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The return of the dreaded thread.
The cliche most often heard at VP next home game could be: "Beam me up, Scottie; this place gives me the shits".
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After Saturday I promised myself that I have to stop making my family suffer for the failings of Aston Villa. There is no point worrying and fretting and losing sleep about things you can't control. Nothing I do can get us a single goal or a single point.
I spent Sunday playing with the kids and helping my missus in the garden, and felt no better at all, but I may have fooled them.
I emigrated in 2003, not long after 03/03/03.
The events of that night and the general shiteness of that season weren't the sole reasons for my departure, but they certainly weren't a pull to keep me either.
I hoped that a new country for a few years (Australia) would wean be off the Villa. After all, it can't be healthy to persist with something for so long that does you no good.
It didn't work.
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I think JD summed it up and put this into some much needed perspective. An earthquake rates nothing on the Richter Scale compared to what could be lying ahead for us. Nervous? You bet I am.
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I think JD summed it up and put this into some much needed perspective. An earthquake rates nothing on the Richter Scale compared to what could be lying ahead for us. Nervous? You bet I am.
I can live with the aftershocks but relegation, well that's a whole new low for me Peter.
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Th older you get the worse you get. I struggle to find the right word to describe my feelings when a big big game goes as badly as the Wolves game but the closest I can come is poisoned. I felt that for 94 minutes I had been absorbing some horrible killer substance that was making my whole mind and body turn into a stumbling monosyllabic ache.
I was oafish and rude to my son who had the manners and decency to take our Dutch friend into the bar for a drink and all I could do was prowl around scowling and muttering. My departure from the ground took the form of me slapping the friendly security guard on the door of the Holte Suite on the belly and say "you want to get on a fucking diet".
I had two grandfathers like we all do. The paternal one was a small. kind, gentle little man with a gold watch and chain and a love of painting in oils. The maternal one was a mad piss head lunatic Villa fan. I wonder if it is too late to take up painting.
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I'm like Winters in Band of Brothers right now: once you accept that you're doomed, you paradoxically have no fear. I fully expect this club to be relegated and so I'm able to think about it in a rational way. Of course it's gutting but like Damo said, by the time I leave the ground or turn the radio off, the shit I've just had to put up with fades pretty quickly.
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I'm worried!
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I didnt feel like this under DOL, then i still thought we had some hope. The Blose game galvanised us. I remember nods and winks from all Villa fans before the game. The atmosphere on Saturday was worse than anything I have encountered at VP.
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worried doesnt even begin to cover it!!
Unless the cheese eating surrender monkey goes in the next 48 hours, were down already! my only hope is the scum go down with us!
"cheese eating surrender monkey" That's funny! Did you make it up yourself?
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JD i was in Christchurch six days before the disaster and thought the town was the best in NZ my sympathies. Well we are here again, only Aston Villa can have an owner give so much money over five years and finish up in utter turmoil. Everyone is to blame, Lerner for giving MON too much power and not realising he was overpaying very average players, Faulkener for being the worst chief exec we have ever had with no knowledge of football, MON for being a prick, Houllier for taking the job thinking he could turn Barnsley into Real Madrid just by asking them to pass more, Ash Young for believing he is a midfielder, Richard Dunne for being fat and a piss pot, Downing for being a coward, and all the Villa players combined for being the most gutless pack of useless gits in the whole football world. Did i miss anyone?
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I had two grandfathers like we all do. The paternal one was a small. kind, gentle little man with a gold watch and chain and a love of painting in oils. The maternal one was a mad piss head lunatic Villa fan. I wonder if it is too late to take up painting.
It's never too late to take up painting.
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I had two grandfathers like we all do. The paternal one was a small. kind, gentle little man with a gold watch and chain and a love of painting in oils. The maternal one was a mad piss head lunatic Villa fan. I wonder if it is too late to take up painting.
It's never too late to take up painting.
Oh I don't know. Stephen Hawking won't be having a gallery exhibition any time soon.
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I had two grandfathers like we all do. The paternal one was a small. kind, gentle little man with a gold watch and chain and a love of painting in oils. The maternal one was a mad piss head lunatic Villa fan. I wonder if it is too late to take up painting.
It's never too late to take up painting.
Oh I don't know. Stephen Hawking won't be having a gallery exhibition any time soon.
lol (but I feel so guilty)
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I think this feels so bloody awful because we thought these days were over after getting rid of Doug. It's all those high hopes of the takeover vapourizing before our eyes. When O'leary was the manager we were used to the patented Ellisian roller-coaster ride of being a club run on a shoestring and underperforming year in year out. This is different because this was not supposed to happen. This isn't going according to script.
New manager or no new manager we can get out of it and see this wretched season through. As others have posted, we have to hold our nerve and be totally behind the players and club. We have got to be positive and lift the club. We will get out of this and climb the table if we stick together. The players need to know we are all in this together and we will get through it together.
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Maybe they need a General type kicking up the backside before the next game, rather than a gallic shrug. No matter how much I think Houllier has f&*ed up with his picking of the team, the players he has picked should still be good enough to beat teams like Wolves. They have a lot to answer for, but they should still show some professional pride. What do they think will happen if we get relegated? Who will want these overpaid prima donnas who can't even string two-three passes together?
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Maybe they need a General type kicking up the backside before the next game, rather than a gallic shrug. No matter how much I think Houllier has f&*ed up with his picking of the team, the players he has picked should still be good enough to beat teams like Wolves. They have a lot to answer for, but they should still show some professional pride. What do they think will happen if we get relegated? Who will want these overpaid prima donnas who can't even string two-three passes together?
Plenty, they are good players most of them who will be in demand - primarily as we'll need to offload at discounted prices and the vultures will circle just like we did to Boro (Downing) and Sunderland (Sorenson) and Newcastle (Beye). They'll have no problems finding clubs - wankers.
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Billy Walker I respect and admire your many posts on the subject of getting behind the team and lifting them.
Unfortunately I think such a solution is over simplistic and in the long run bad for us all.
Firstly the team has to want to be lifted. There were times against Wolves when the crowd tried to lift them and to lift ourselves but there was no response. Even when record numbers of us were cheering them on in the old third division they were players who wanted to be lifted. Bad modern players have such negotiating power which was given them by all the manifestations of Bosman and the spawning of owner/agents they know they can walk into another team and be hailed as heroes. You just see what happens to Dunne. Full page coverage in the Mirror headlined MY VILLA HELL and a picture of him holding a Young Boys scarf over his head. Ditto Ashley Young with a Tottenham scarf and Collins with a Bolton scarf. Who was the only player who saluted the Holte at the end of the Wolves game? Gabriel Agbonlahor a brummie boy a product of our youth team and a Villa fan. The others were already thinking about which bars they were going to hit.
Secondly and much more importantly we at Villa have had 100 years of top flight football. That has not come about by chance. When I started following Villa all around us at the bottom of the first division were clubs like Grimsby, Huddersfield, Wednesday, Charlton and Notts County. Over the years these teams and many others like them have gone into irreversible decline and the one common and overriding factor has been the assumption that their fans would carry on turning up and "getting behind the lads" regardless of the mismanagement of the club.
We at Villa in my lifetime have survived the dross served up by he owners from Normansell through the Bendalls and Ellis and demanded better standards. We have not allowed ourselves to be taken for granted.
What the present Villa executives want us to do is behave and buy our season tickets. I will not behave. I want them held to account for pissing up the wall the new start offered to us by the generosity of Randy Lerner.
I will not get behind that team or attempt to lift them until they give me some sign that they want me to do it. And that goes for the manager too.
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And we have got another 11 days to worry before the Everton match!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Billy Walker I respect and admire your many posts on the subject of getting behind the team and lifting them.
Unfortunately I think such a solution is over simplistic and in the long run bad for us all.
Firstly the team has to want to be lifted. There were times against Wolves when the crowd tried to lift them and to lift ourselves but there was no response. Even when record numbers of us were cheering them on in the old third division they were players who wanted to be lifted. Bad modern players have such negotiating power which was given them by all the manifestations of Bosman and the spawning of owner/agents they know they can walk into another team and be hailed as heroes. You just see what happens to Dunne. Full page coverage in the Mirror headlined MY VILLA HELL and a picture of him holding a Young Boys scarf over his head. Ditto Ashley Young with a Tottenham scarf and Collins with a Bolton scarf. Who was the only player who saluted the Holte at the end of the Wolves game? Gabriel Agbonlahor a brummie boy a product of our youth team and a Villa fan. The others were already thinking about which bars they were going to hit.
Secondly and much more importantly we at Villa have had 100 years of top flight football. That has not come about by chance. When I started following Villa all around us at the bottom of the first division were clubs like Grimsby, Huddersfield, Wednesday, Charlton and Notts County. Over the years these teams and many others like them have gone into irreversible decline and the one common and overriding factor has been the assumption that their fans would carry on turning up and "getting behind the lads" regardless of the mismanagement of the club.
We at Villa in my lifetime have survived the dross served up by he owners from Normansell through the Bendalls and Ellis and demanded better standards. We have not allowed ourselves to be taken for granted.
What the present Villa executives want us to do is behave and buy our season tickets. I will not behave. I want them held to account for pissing up the wall the new start offered to us by the generosity of Randy Lerner.
I will not get behind that team or attempt to lift them until they give me some sign that they want me to do it. And that goes for the manager too.
Well said Brian, if they want our support then they have to show a bit of pride and respect to OUR CLUB.
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I am really starting to worry over the mental state of some Villa posters if Ancelotti doesn't become Villa manager, some have already started to dream of a bright future again with Carlo leading the club to European glory. What will it do to their phsyci if we end up with Mr average.
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or worse Mr Brolly
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Just heard a mass suicide watch is in place across the west midlands.
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Just heard a mass suicide watch is in place across the west midlands.
Samaritans have just taken on 3,000 additional staff, when the charity was asked are these new staff properly qualified for the job in dealing with massive deluded deranged manic depressed syndrome, the answer was, yes they're all Bermingham City fans......
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I am really starting to worry over the mental state of some Villa posters if Ancelotti doesn't become Villa manager, some have already started to dream of a bright future again with Carlo leading the club to European glory. What will it do to their phsyci if we end up with Mr average.
Indeed. So many people have their heart set on him and seem unwilling to face the prospect that he might say no. I expect that whichever manager we end up with (if we don't get Ancelotti) will face a less than enthusiastic reaction even if it is a decent enough candidate like a Hughes or a Benitez. It seems that unless it is Ancelotti at least one section of our support will be pissed off and unhappy with the appointment. God help us if it is some substandard appointment like McClaren or Curbishley or Martinez.
And don't get me started on the hysterical, small time oafs who inhabit some corners of the internet who want us to appoint Ancelotti or they won't eat their tea like some toddler who isn't allowed to go to the sweetshop.
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I'm going to sit back and soak up the sun whilst waiting to see who Randy appoints as the new manager. I am doing my best to avoid the speculation/hysteria/blind panic shown by some on here until the vacancy is filled. If it's Mclaren then I will fully sign up to the panic brigade though.
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Is it that bad ?
I didn't wanna see this thread again!!
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Blimey. It's come to this has it? Now I'm very worried indeed.
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I'm worried that the worrying is affecting the weather. Rain forecast all week long!
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I'd be more worried if we weren't in the process of changing manager.
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I expect that whichever manager we end up with (if we don't get Ancelotti) will face a less than enthusiastic reaction...
Boooooo. Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Piss off ya bum - we wanted Ancelotti.
[just practicising]
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As one of the ones going doolalee at the thought of CA as manager.
If he turns us down, I'll be OK with it.
My beef would be if we didn't even approach him, and then went for someone like McLaren - thus showing a total lack of desire to achieve anything.
If he turns us down, at least the club have tried to get the very very best, and it hadnt worked out - if we then end up with Rafa or similar, I'll still be chuffed to bits.
Put it this way, as a F1 fan - to me it is like Force India trying to sign Sebastian Vettel - he turning them down, but successfully getting Hamilton instead !.
However, if it ends up with Steve McLaren - its like Ferrari giving the drive to a BSM driving instructor !
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However, if it ends up with Steve McLaren - its like Ferrari giving the drive to a BSM driving instructor !
Not entirely sure the word instructor should be used in the same sentence as Schteve to be honest
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If ever there was a time for this thread in the last 4 years ...
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I'm not worried. I'm terrified. I hope he screws his interview up.
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I hope they ask him to do his pterodactyl impression, and then mock him for being so ridiculous.
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I hope his car breaks down on the way to the interview, then he completley fucks it up.
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I think Randy has given it up, he no longer wants us to challenge he wants mid table mediocrity. Well he's going to get it, I hope i'm wrong but I doubt it
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Some people may remember the thread of the above title, or a variety of the same, from a few seasons ago. I think now is the appropriate time to bring it back.
To add a caveat, people should know that when it comes to optimism I am from the Chris Smith end of the spectrum, so this isn't the ramblings of some merchant of doom, but I think the club, at this present time is rotten from top to bottom.
I woke up this morning and had to rub my eyes twice to make sure I had not woken up in 2005, as I am unable to tell the difference between the club in its present state and leadership and where we were under O'Leary and Ellis.
Its something of a disgrace that after a few years of spending there is no bedrock at the club to build on. This side is as inept as that which contained Zinadiné McCann. Emile Heskey is to our midfield what Eric Bakke was.
We have found ourselves in the unenviable position to have incompetence spread evenly throughout the club, from the board to the back four.
Lerner's stunning naivety is matched only by his inability to pick a manager. While the financial restraints of today are down to O'Neill and the vast quantities of garbage that was purchased at the wrong age, on the obscene wages, its a two way street; Lerner or his CEO was underwriting all of it. They did not pick up the accounts in 2009 with surprise.
And so now we're with out a proverbial pot. In the past twelve months we've sold quality in Milner, Young and Downing for a combined and approximate figure of £50 million, double what our outlay has been on transfers. Yet so perilous is our financial position, we have nothing to invest in January in a small, weak and poor squad.
Its clear that the Champions League is off the agenda, but then the reality that competing with the top 7 or so is no longer something we can fund, is pretty soul destroying.
If there is no money left, or rather that Lerner is no longer able to finance the club with even modest investment, then that does not necessarily mean we have to give up the ghost. Everton are equally penniless yet still offer their supporters some entertainment, some comfort that they'll at least give it a bash, which boils down to Kenwright getting the crucial job right with managerial selection spot on, something Lerner has failed the test on two occasions now. He's not helped by the detached bumbling leadership of our CEO.
Which bring's us to the manager.
McLeish is a decent bloke, so full comparisons with O'Leary cannot be made with any fairness. However, he does share his ineptitude and lack of popularity.
I am confused about what he is trying to achieve. We knew how we went about our business under O'Neill and even under the disastrous Houllier. You may not have agreed with they style of play, but at least there was a style. How do we do things now? You cannot honestly sit there and say "it's long ball", because its not. The thoroughly useless Collins does, on a regular basis, smack it to Bent only for him to be out jumped by some lump of a centre half, but other than that, we lack any sense of fluidity, movement or direction in our play.
The side is clearly suffering from the abundance of talent that has recently gone elsewhere. Poor Bent has had one chance, this being in the first two minutes at White Heart Lane, created for him in three games. What a spectacularly ridiculous decision to by a poacher, pay him huge wages and a huge fee for him, only to pay for this, probably, with the sale of two wingers who supplied more than most. The manager has clearly been let down by N'Zogbia, but how can he ever have been expected to fill both Young and Downing's shoes?
Its not just the players who lack any sort of planning or joined up thinking.
But none of that can excuse the appalling lack of a plan. We do not have a single clue. And in fairness, there is some players at the club who can do things. God bless Gabby for a start. While the back four may be more reminiscent of your local boozers defence and the midfield pedestrian, there are still a clutch of players who can offer you something- for however long we can retain their services while our ambitions plummet. I think I would cry if we sold Gabby.
Its not just the score of forgettable performances so far this season, but its the cowardly approach to them. We have gone into games against the better sides without an iota of belief, stood off and rolled over, without laying a glove on them. The defeatist attitude comes from one man and the condition spreads. We were afraid to have ago at side as ready for the plucking as anybody at Swansea for 60 minutes of the game. You do not need billions to have a side that can press the ball or pass the ball. The fear is that this sort of attitude that appears to have become commonplace, spreads into a terminal condition. We'll see it across a few more fixtures this festive period, yet how do the players turn it off for the likes of Bolton or Stoke?
Its a desperate state of affairs. We are no further along than we were in 2005/6.
So what do we do?
Lerner isn't going anywhere; there are no petro trillions coming our way. Our future consists of rubbing two pennies together in the transfer market. So you have to look at the manager. There are better options out there than McLeish. We can find a manager who can at least offer a glimpse of hope to try and swat away the apathy the has seeped into the support. It says something when Young, who got a mixture of boos and applause, received better support than any single Villa player. I was shocked that we had 40,000 on the gate. Even me, the ever optimist that thought during the week we may, just may, do them 2-1, walked down to he the ground thinking "what's the bloody point?".
But McLeish isn't going anywhere and neither are we. There is far more dross in this league than us, with Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton and the promoted sides. Yet finishing 14th, simply existing is not good enough for Aston Villa. We're in complete decline to a position of pointless obscurity.
Depressing.
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900 pages.
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There isn't far more dross in the league than us at all - knock that notion on the head
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I can't disagree with any of that, and also the approach to playing the so called top teams is what offends me the most. Sure, we don't want to lose but at least have a go at them.
If we were getting decent results playing this way it wouldn't be so galling.
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I can't disagree with any of that, and also the approach to playing the so called top teams is what offends me the most. Sure, we don't want to lose but at least have a go at them.
If we were getting decent results playing this way it wouldn't be so galling.
A lot of fans, including on H&V, tried to justify this tactic after the dismal showing against Spurs and Citeh. I don't really see how the loss to Manure and the inevitable losses to the Pool and Arse coming up as any different.
This is the way the manager approaches games in the EPL, because that is what he spent the last few seasons doing at blues. Why all of a sudden would he change his whole managerial disposition when he knows the club chased after him for this style, and gave him the remit of 'you'll get a small budget, just don't get relegated'? The club knew what they were getting when they hired him.
It was quite interesting though to hear the blues fan who phoned up Radio WM after the Manure game slating the manager for making the whole of Birmingham a footballing laughing stock, because of the dirge produced by both teams on the pitch.
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I think my issue at it's core is that we watch football for entertainment purposes essentially. There is absolutely nothing entertaining about Aston Villa now.
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This is the way the manager approaches games in the EPL, because that is what he spent the last few seasons doing at blues.
That's the thing - he didn't do it this way with them. All the time he was there they managed to nick results against the top teams, invariably with late goals. That was the one thing I thought he'd bring to us - a real never say die attitude. The McLeish of twelve months ago would have made a better fist of yesterday but it seems that better players have brought out the worst in him.
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I remember Small Heath's cup games against West Ham, they played with passion and determination, even when going 2-0 behind in the 2nd leg. I thought that was the kind of spirit he'd bring here, but it's looking anything but that.
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"Better players"? Maybe. But our midfield is no better than Small Heath's was last season. Unless we sign somebody or Gary Gardner turns out to be the new Lothar Matthaus we're in for a long, tedious season.
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The 'performances' against Spurs and Man Utd are as poor as I can remember. It's alright saying they are good sides, but we were an utter utter disgrace. Wolves and West Brom were also terrible, along with the first half against Swansea.
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Our midfielders are good enough (better than they are showing anyway) and certainly better than Blues last season, but you could have a group of world beaters and if they are bypassed all the time with the ball flying over their heads, what's the point?
The "tactics" (Ha!) and application are the biggest areas of concern at the moment.
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I haven't commented for some time. However after watching yesterday's game at VP and seeing the debacle against spurs last week on the telly I feel I have to say something.
When McCleish was appointed I didn't get involved in 'tribal' comments and genuinely thought he would inject some, much needed, calm in the set up and steady a Villa side who had lost three 'class' players like Young, Downing and Milner. I thought he would 'steady the ship' after a disastrous season with the sick Houlier and unpopular McAlister too.
Unfortunately I was utterly wrong. I don't have any 'axe to grind' with Alex McCleish but the sort of football played at VP is at best boring and at worst relegation material. I have read many comments on our beloved team but I must say I agreed with the lengthy post of 'Ads' most.
I was prepared for a 'consolidation' and relatively poor season but I was not ready for this dismal 'non-performance'. What is happening at VP?
This is a really inept side and I do wonder what our 'style' is (or indeed if we have a 'style'). Against spurs we were an embarrassment and I have to say we seemed to play like we couldn't be bothered. In the first half of yesterday's game against Man U we were exactly the same. The second half we were immeasurably better and at least put Man U's defence under some pressure but nevertheless we we were not good and seemed to lack basic skills. Now the last bit can be put down to losing good players but I keep remembering the comment that we (notwithstanding the loss of the aforementioned players) should have a 'bedrock' of accomplished footballers, we should too.
However we don't and what I see is this. We are not entertained, in fact it is a painful duty to see this awful mess turn out to play a game, a game which for whatever reason they seem not to be able to do. Our back four is the worst I've seen (a statement which is really alarming given some of the awful players we have had!). We leak goals, cannot defend set pieces, desperately use terrible (and often inaccurate) long ball tactics to relieve pressure and use a very expensive (and successful) striker to lead the line. Bent gets hardly any service, hates leading the line and is not the sort to 'help out'. All in all Bent's talent is not exploited, he is a goal poacher not a midfielder.
Charles N'Zogbia is a huge disappointment and Alan Sutton is an awful right back, the worst player at VP for me. The heading of the ball which used to be a wonderful part of our game is now dismal, why?.
There was a time when we would give any team a game (even away!) but now we give nobody a challenge. I fail to understand any of this and am amazed that our poor play has come on so suddenly. However it has and we are in for a 'nailbiting' 2011/12 season.
Lerner told us he was concentrating on the core stability of the club. But I have to say to him, what good is it having a stable Villa in the championship. Face reality Randy, we are a terrible side who have no style, highly paid players ($40,000 a week is not to be sniffed at) who just can't be bothered and a fan base that is utterly bored, often embarrassed and who will leave in droves if we carry on like this (we have to have some hope!) and both my son and I won't renew our STs without some sort of on field ambition.
By far the worst scenario is that we won't be able to recruit anybody (anybody, just someone with 'fire in his belly') because I have to say that if that is the case and we have to last for the rest of this season with this lot I just give up.
David O'Leary's sides were awful this side is the same or, dare I say it even worse.
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whos Alan Sutton ? ;)
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This is as bad as it gets and I can see us breaking up the Lancashire relegation party by being in the drop zone next May.
As Mr Woodhall says, the biggest surprise is that McMinge has not re-created the never-say-die attitude of our neighbours from last season.
I would say man-for-man we are alot better than they were: as a team we're shite.
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This is the way the manager approaches games in the EPL, because that is what he spent the last few seasons doing at blues.
That's the thing - he didn't do it this way with them. All the time he was there they managed to nick results against the top teams, invariably with late goals. That was the one thing I thought he'd bring to us - a real never say die attitude. The McLeish of twelve months ago would have made a better fist of yesterday but it seems that better players have brought out the worst in him.
That never die attitude really worked well with him considering he relegated them last season. Laughable clutch straw nonsense. And he seems to be doing even worse for us.
Oh, and don't you be blaming the kids. We've seen what they could under Houllier. They can really shine under positive football, but McLeish's negative tactics are holding them back. And with the senior players they're just as bad as ever. He was the one who convinced Dunne to stay, bought the hopeless Hutton, chooses Collins over Clark, uses Heskey who should be retired now, bought N'Zogbia for nearly 10m who's been a disaster, sent Makoun for the pointless injury prone Jenas, bangs oin about how Ireland can reach "world class" while leaving him on the bench, doesn't know what to do with Bent and brought Warnock back out from the reserves who would have been sold if Houllier remained.
Anyone who defends this manager is questionable in my book. Relegation will be catastrophic at this club. People who have jobs or try to make money from this club will be doomed.
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We are in an almost identical situation this season after 14 games as we were last season. Take a look at the league table from 22/11/10 by which time everybody had played 14 matches.
Table on 22.11.2010 Full Home Away
P W D L F A W D L F A W D L F A GD Pt
1 Chelsea 14 9 1 4 28 9 6 0 1 17 3 3 1 3 11 6 +19 28
2 Manchester United 14 7 7 0 28 15 6 1 0 17 5 1 6 0 11 10 +13 28
3 Arsenal 14 8 2 4 28 15 4 0 3 17 9 4 2 1 11 6 +13 26
4 Manchester City 14 7 4 3 19 11 3 3 1 7 5 4 1 2 12 6 +8 25
5 Bolton Wanderers 14 5 7 2 26 20 3 3 1 15 9 2 4 1 11 11 +6 22
6 Tottenham Hotspur 14 6 4 4 21 19 3 3 1 11 7 3 1 3 10 12 +2 22
7 Sunderland 14 4 8 2 17 15 3 4 0 9 5 1 4 2 8 10 +2 20
8 Stoke City 14 6 1 7 18 18 4 1 2 11 8 2 0 5 7 10 0 19
9 Liverpool 14 5 4 5 16 17 4 2 1 12 6 1 2 4 4 11 -1 19
10 Newcastle United 14 5 3 6 22 21 2 2 3 15 9 3 1 3 7 12 +1 18
11 Blackburn Rovers 14 5 3 6 17 18 3 2 2 8 6 2 1 4 9 12 -1 18
12 Blackpool 14 5 3 6 21 27 2 2 2 11 11 3 1 4 10 16 -6 18
13 Aston Villa 14 4 5 5 15 20 3 4 0 10 5 1 1 5 5 15 -5 17
14 Everton 14 3 7 4 16 15 2 3 2 9 8 1 4 2 7 7 +1 16
15 Birmingham City 14 3 7 4 15 17 3 3 1 7 5 0 4 3 8 12 -2 16
16 West Bromwich Albion 14 4 4 6 16 25 3 2 2 8 9 1 2 4 8 16 -9 16
17 Fulham 14 2 8 4 14 17 2 3 2 9 10 0 5 2 5 7 -3 14
18 Wigan Athletic 14 3 5 6 10 23 2 3 3 6 15 1 2 3 4 8 -13 14
19 Wolverhampton Wndrs 14 2 3 9 14 25 2 2 3 9 11 0 1 6 5 14 -11 9
20 West Ham United 14 1 6 7 11 25 1 3 3 7 11 0 3 4 4 14 -14 9
Some posters have suggested we are currently doing worse than Blues were under Mcleish at this stage last season but that is actually not true. As can be seen what has in fact happened is that the top teams have taken more points off the dross this season than they did last leaving a mucher closer bunching from 8th place down
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2010 Birmingham City PL 14 W3 D7 L4 GF 15 GA 17 GD -2 Pts 16
2011 Aston Villa PL 14 W3 D7 L4 GF 16 GA 18 GD -2 Pts 16
Spooky eh. At least it all ended well for them. Oh wait!
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2010 Birmingham City PL 14 W3 D7 L4 GF 15 GA 17 GD -2 Pts 16
2011 Aston Villa PL 14 W3 D7 L4 GF 16 GA 18 GD -2 Pts 16
Spooky eh. At least it all ended well for them. Oh wait!
That is fucking terrifying.
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Bland, inept and a thoroughly terrible way of playing football is what I have witnessed this season. I can take us losing but this brand of football is a disgrace. Only one person to blame for the team and only person to blame for the club.
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2010 Birmingham City PL 14 W3 D7 L4 GF 15 GA 17 GD -2 Pts 16
2011 Aston Villa PL 14 W3 D7 L4 GF 16 GA 18 GD -2 Pts 16
Spooky eh. At least it all ended well for them. Oh wait!
That is fucking terrifying.
But totally believable if you watch us, we are diabolical. It's an insult given the ability of some of our players.
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I'll also throw my hat in the ring as a glass-half-full type who is starting to think we're proper fucked.
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The biggest thing on my mind is the baffling inconsistency in Randy's approach to appointing managers (which is, pound for pound, the biggest decision an owner has to make). There are grumbles while MON is here about his limited, unreconstructed football and unimaginiative signings. So we get in Houllier. A leftfield appointment, lots of question marks, but when he talks about developing the next generation, playing atractive football, benches shite like Warnock, you start to justify it to yourself. But that doesn't work out and we talk to Matinez. Who is plain not good enough for Villa, but is young, well rated wherever he's been, tries to get teams palying imaginative football. So you justify it you yourself. And then we give McLeish the fucking job. What is the decision making process there?
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Can Chris Smith defend that?
Let's not forget we can't win away and we don't turn up against top 6 teams (we still have 3 left this month).
Relegation is looking very likely if something isn't done. This man will take us down. I'm really certain of it. I mean look at his post match interviews. He sugarcoats everything. I mean he said the second half was better, but didn't say it was still an unacceptable level at this club. And he praises Heskey (oh great looks like he'll be in the first team) despite doing a ridiculously farce of a strike where he knocked it out for a throwing. He doesn't even seem to realise how shit he has turned us into and won't change his ways. With this football, we'll be only heading one way by the end of the season.
It's like Hodgson at Liverpool. That wasn't his level at all and the fans managed to get rid of him because they pressured the board. Can we do the same with McLeish? Probably not because on this forum people flame posters such as myself when all my posts contain of is being frustrated of a man who is destroying us. Well done, flaming your own instead of reuniting for the sake of this club.
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I can see us getting 2 points from the next 6 games if AM stays in charge.
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I agree with Dave that McLeish actually did forge a unit at Small Heath which had team spirit and mental toughness. He came within eleven minutes of saving them after the cup victory made them implode.
I think a hard core of our players are openly disregarding his instructions. Houllier knew who the bad apples were and put the wheels in motion to get rid of them. Houllier's health did not hold up and the player power nucleus is calling the shots again.
If McLeish picks a side to try to pressure Man U's unusually suspect defence and tells them to have a dart at them but the players - including Given - lump it upfield for Darren Bent to jump for the culprits should be put in the reserves for a month. If discipline can be brought to bear on N'Zogbia for failing to attend a treatment session why can't the same discipline be used on Collins, Dunne, Warnock and Hutton for persistently refusing to make simple ground level passes to one of their own men?
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I do wonder what on earth we do on the training pitch at Bodymoor? It can't be defending set pieces due to the amount we've conceded this season. It can't be passing and keeping the ball as surely if we practised it enough on the training pitches it would eventually translate onto the pitch. And it can't be creating chances as we have failed badly in the last 3 matches.
He should go but as Ads points out in his excellent post, who would be confident Lerner would appoint a competent manager? Steve Bruce may be a better manager than McLeish but he failed at Sunderland.
Very very depressing. We won't go down imo but if we don't sort ourselves out in the summer from top to bottom we could be in serious danger of going down next season.
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Terrible to watch there is nothing, not even passion.
Think we need demonstrations like at Blackburn :-)
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I feel sorry for Randy. I really thought that selling our best players and appointing a manager renowned for dull, defenceless tactics and getting his team relegated would improve us. Looks like me and Randy were both wrong.
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I feel sorry for Randy. I really thought that selling our best players and appointing a manager renowned for dull, defenceless tactics and getting his team relegated would improve us. Looks like me and Randy were both wrong.
Ouch, back in the knife drawer Mr Sharp!
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Can Chris Smith defend that?
Let's not forget we can't win away and we don't turn up against top 6 teams (we still have 3 left this month).
Relegation is looking very likely if something isn't done. This man will take us down. I'm really certain of it. I mean look at his post match interviews. He sugarcoats everything. I mean he said the second half was better, but didn't say it was still an unacceptable level at this club. And he praises Heskey (oh great looks like he'll be in the first team) despite doing a ridiculously farce of a strike where he knocked it out for a throwing. He doesn't even seem to realise how shit he has turned us into and won't change his ways. With this football, we'll be only heading one way by the end of the season.
It's like Hodgson at Liverpool. That wasn't his level at all and the fans managed to get rid of him because they pressured the board. Can we do the same with McLeish? Probably not because on this forum people flame posters such as myself when all my posts contain of is being frustrated of a man who is destroying us. Well done, flaming your own instead of reuniting for the sake of this club.
You get stick because of the way you express your opinions not for the opinions themselves. There's no balance.
The club have down sized, we're now geared up to being a mid table side. McLeish s delivering mid table results. He's doing the job asked of him.
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The biggest thing on my mind is the baffling inconsistency in Randy's approach to appointing managers (which is, pound for pound, the biggest decision an owner has to make). There are grumbles while MON is here about his limited, unreconstructed football and unimaginiative signings. So we get in Houllier. A leftfield appointment, lots of question marks, but when he talks about developing the next generation, playing atractive football, benches shite like Warnock, you start to justify it to yourself. But that doesn't work out and we talk to Matinez. Who is plain not good enough for Villa, but is young, well rated wherever he's been, tries to get teams palying imaginative football. So you justify it you yourself. And then we give McLeish the fucking job. What is the decision making process there?
That's what I don't get in the slightest. The Board have been at pains to remind us that they are convinced that he is the man for the job, but all the evidence to the contrary shows that this is complete folly.
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Can Chris Smith defend that?
Let's not forget we can't win away and we don't turn up against top 6 teams (we still have 3 left this month).
Relegation is looking very likely if something isn't done. This man will take us down. I'm really certain of it. I mean look at his post match interviews. He sugarcoats everything. I mean he said the second half was better, but didn't say it was still an unacceptable level at this club. And he praises Heskey (oh great looks like he'll be in the first team) despite doing a ridiculously farce of a strike where he knocked it out for a throwing. He doesn't even seem to realise how shit he has turned us into and won't change his ways. With this football, we'll be only heading one way by the end of the season.
It's like Hodgson at Liverpool. That wasn't his level at all and the fans managed to get rid of him because they pressured the board. Can we do the same with McLeish? Probably not because on this forum people flame posters such as myself when all my posts contain of is being frustrated of a man who is destroying us. Well done, flaming your own instead of reuniting for the sake of this club.
The club have down sized, we're now geared up to being a mid table side. McLeish s delivering mid table results. He's doing the job asked of him.
No goals in three games is not mid table form, it's relegation form. If you're going to accept that Chris then fair enough, but don't expect the rest of us to.
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Shame on you for not taking the time to find the old thread, Ads!
Merged.
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I searched for this earlier but could not find it.
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2 wins in 13 (or 12 if you don't include Bolton in the LC) is hardly the form of a mid table side, especially when only 3 of those games were against the so called current big 6.
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I agree with Dave that McLeish actually did forge a unit at Small Heath which had team spirit and mental toughness. He came within eleven minutes of saving them after the cup victory made them implode.
I think a hard core of our players are openly disregarding his instructions. Houllier knew who the bad apples were and put the wheels in motion to get rid of them. Houllier's health did not hold up and the player power nucleus is calling the shots again.If McLeish picks a side to try to pressure Man U's unusually suspect defence and tells them to have a dart at them but the players - including Given - lump it upfield for Darren Bent to jump for the culprits should be put in the reserves for a month. If discipline can be brought to bear on N'Zogbia for failing to attend a treatment session why can't the same discipline be used on Collins, Dunne, Warnock and Hutton for persistently refusing to make simple ground level passes to one of their own men?
I think you right there but it wasn't Houllier's health that stopped us getting rid of them i'd wager, more the cost. Flogging off the troublemakers and buying replacements would have cost a fortune. We've got players like Beye who we can't even afford to pay off early so there was no chance GH winning that arguement with Lerner.
AM has exactly the same problem. If he drops dunne or warnock and they start trouble again what can he realistically do? He can't sell them and bring replacements in - they know the score as much as we do - they'd just laugh in his face.
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2 wins in 13 (or 12 if you don't include Bolton in the LC) is hardly the form of a mid table side, especially when only 3 of those games were against the so called current big 6.
We've drawn with 6th placed Newcastle, 11th placed QPR and 8th placed Everton and beaten 10th placed Norwich. Mid table teams, mid table results.
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2 wins in 13 (or 12 if you don't include Bolton in the LC) is hardly the form of a mid table side, especially when only 3 of those games were against the so called current big 6.
We've drawn with 6th placed Newcastle, 11th placed QPR and 8th placed Everton and beaten 10th placed Norwich. Mid table teams, mid table results.
So you keep claiming. Tell me Chris, is 2 wins in 12 mid table form?
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2 wins in 13 (or 12 if you don't include Bolton in the LC) is hardly the form of a mid table side, especially when only 3 of those games were against the so called current big 6.
We've drawn with 6th placed Newcastle, 11th placed QPR and 8th placed Everton and beaten 10th placed Norwich. Mid table teams, mid table results.
Great. We are so lucky to have AM.
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Can Chris Smith defend that?
Let's not forget we can't win away and we don't turn up against top 6 teams (we still have 3 left this month).
Relegation is looking very likely if something isn't done. This man will take us down. I'm really certain of it. I mean look at his post match interviews. He sugarcoats everything. I mean he said the second half was better, but didn't say it was still an unacceptable level at this club. And he praises Heskey (oh great looks like he'll be in the first team) despite doing a ridiculously farce of a strike where he knocked it out for a throwing. He doesn't even seem to realise how shit he has turned us into and won't change his ways. With this football, we'll be only heading one way by the end of the season.
It's like Hodgson at Liverpool. That wasn't his level at all and the fans managed to get rid of him because they pressured the board. Can we do the same with McLeish? Probably not because on this forum people flame posters such as myself when all my posts contain of is being frustrated of a man who is destroying us. Well done, flaming your own instead of reuniting for the sake of this club.
Oh fuck off mate.
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2 wins in 13 (or 12 if you don't include Bolton in the LC) is hardly the form of a mid table side, especially when only 3 of those games were against the so called current big 6.
We've drawn with 6th placed Newcastle, 11th placed QPR and 8th placed Everton and beaten 10th placed Norwich. Mid table teams, mid table results.
So you keep claiming. Tell me Chris, is 2 wins in 12 mid table form?
According to the league table it is. Is there another way of measuring it that will show different?
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2 wins in 13 (or 12 if you don't include Bolton in the LC) is hardly the form of a mid table side, especially when only 3 of those games were against the so called current big 6.
We've drawn with 6th placed Newcastle, 11th placed QPR and 8th placed Everton and beaten 10th placed Norwich. Mid table teams, mid table results.
So you keep claiming. Tell me Chris, is 2 wins in 12 mid table form?
That does ignore the 4 points we got from our opening two fixtures though.
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Does anyone think we'll still be mid-table by the end of this month?
No, I didn't think so.
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I'm asking if you consider it to be midtable form Chris. Without looking at a league table, if someone said they supported a club that had won 2 of the last 12 would you say, sounds like a mid table club?
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I'm asking if you consider it to be midtable form Chris. Without looking at a league table, if someone said they supported a club that had won 2 of the last 12 would you say, sounds like a mid table club?
You make it sound like we lost the other 10 games though. You still get points for draws you know.
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I'm asking if you consider it to be midtable form Chris. Without looking at a league table, if someone said they supported a club that had won 2 of the last 12 would you say, sounds like a mid table club?
You make it sound like we lost the other 10 games though. You still get points for draws you know.
Thank fuck, because if they were given out for entertainment we'd docked 30 points for bringing the game into disrepute.
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Bolton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Liverpool
Aston Villa v Arsenal
Stoke v Aston Villa
Chelsea v Aston Villa
The next 5 games, then we'll have played everyone and be at the halfway point of the season. I honestly can't see us getting more than 4 points which would put us on 20 for the season so far. On that basis we might just about stay up if we replicate that in the second half of the season. Part of me thinks we could lose all 5, then we'd really be in the shit.
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I'm asking if you consider it to be midtable form Chris. Without looking at a league table, if someone said they supported a club that had won 2 of the last 12 would you say, sounds like a mid table club?
From 14 games it is 3 wins, 4 losses and 7 draws. Seems fairly middling to to me.
The current top 3 have only lost 3 games between them this season so it's not just us that they are brushing aside.
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I'm asking if you consider it to be midtable form Chris. Without looking at a league table, if someone said they supported a club that had won 2 of the last 12 would you say, sounds like a mid table club?
You make it sound like we lost the other 10 games though. You still get points for draws you know.
You make it sound like alot of draws guarantee Premier League safety. He drew too many games last season while winning very little and that's why he has relegations on his C.V.
And Chris, he has exactly the same stats last season with the same amount of games played. What makes you so confident he'll keep us up? Also, he has better tools to work with and yet isn't doing any better than at Blues. Why?
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I'm asking if you consider it to be midtable form Chris. Without looking at a league table, if someone said they supported a club that had won 2 of the last 12 would you say, sounds like a mid table club?
From 14 games it is 3 wins, 4 losses and 7 draws. Seems fairly middling to to me.
The current top 3 have only lost 3 games between them this season so it's not just us that they are brushing aside.
Your post has no relevance to mine. *wink*
Mainly because you gave a politicians answer and didn't answer the question.
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It's taken me until now to realise that the transfer window's open in less than four weeks. Usually I'm checking out the gossip by now but I'm less than excited about what's going to happen, if anything. Even if McLeish was given fifty million to spend, I'd expect him to splurge it all on utter crap.
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I'm asking if you consider it to be midtable form Chris. Without looking at a league table, if someone said they supported a club that had won 2 of the last 12 would you say, sounds like a mid table club?
From 14 games it is 3 wins, 4 losses and 7 draws. Seems fairly middling to to me.
The current top 3 have only lost 3 games between them this season so it's not just us that they are brushing aside.
Here's an attempt at a prediction:
- Against the teams in the top half we've won 2 points in 5 matches.
- Against the teams in the bottom half we've won 14 points in 9 matches.
- The 3 matches lost against teams in the top half are against the teams currently in the top three, but two of the matches won are against the bottom two, and all matches won are home matches
- So a match against a top 10 side we will on average win 0.4 points per game
- Against a bottom 10 side we will on average win 1.6 points per game
- In the matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Stoke, we can expect 1.6 points
- In the match against Bolton we can expect 1.6 points
- Which means that we can expect 3.2 points ~ 3 points in the next six matches.
- After half a season, we'll have 19 points in 19 matches.
- That's not mid-table form
Note: This prediction does not take into account that we appear to be getting steadingly worse.
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I'm asking if you consider it to be midtable form Chris. Without looking at a league table, if someone said they supported a club that had won 2 of the last 12 would you say, sounds like a mid table club?
From 14 games it is 3 wins, 4 losses and 7 draws. Seems fairly middling to to me.
The current top 3 have only lost 3 games between them this season so it's not just us that they are brushing aside.
Your post has no relevance to mine. *wink*
Mainly because you gave a politicians answer and didn't answer the question.
Ok, if your going to ignore games because they don't support your stance can I the last 5 minutes at Sunderland and QPR chalked off? *wink*
I accept that we're a bit crap some of the time but we're also a bit average and a bit decent some of the time. That's what you get with mid table sides.
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Which of the last 12 games am I ignoring? Regardless of how you try and spin it, it will still only be 2 wins out of the last 12 league games.
But if it will make you happy, 3 wins out of 14. Does that really make it look any better? That puts us on target for about 8 wins over a 38 game season. If that doesn't cause you any concern, then fair play. But it causes concern to a lot of us.
Not sure why would you want to ignore the last 5 minutes at Sunderland, does it make a difference if it had finished 1-1 instead of 2-2? *wink*
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I'm not even worried anymore, I'm just bored by the spineless and clueless football we are playing. There's more excitement in watching the grass grow :'(
I didn't even get upset or angry after getting up at 6am to watch yesterday's game I just thought why did I even bother wasting my time, when I could have been sleeping.
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I'm not even worried anymore, I'm just bored by the spineless and clueless football we are playing. There's more excitement in watching the grass grow :'(
I didn't even get upset or angry after getting up at 6am to watch yesterday's game I just thought why did I even bother wasting my time, when I could have been sleeping.
My issue goes deeper than the obvious problems on the pitch. Off the field we are direction-less and floundering. The only things that seems to matter is cutting costs and blunder after blunder is just eroding any faith I have in the way the club is being run. In the next couple of weeks, someone within B6 needs to get a serious grip on the way things are going and do something about it, as they are testing the loyalty of even the most patience of us glass half-full fans.
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I didn't even get upset or angry after getting up at 6am to watch yesterday's game
Well, that makes two of us! I don't think I could even raise the levels of apathy required to get angry.
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At least we won't win the League Cup, which after winning SHA's season nose-dived. Straws are beong clutched.
OK, we don't have as good squad as last season but we should be doing better than this - AMcL is really doing is best to stifle them.
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I'm asking if you consider it to be midtable form Chris. Without looking at a league table, if someone said they supported a club that had won 2 of the last 12 would you say, sounds like a mid table club?
From 14 games it is 3 wins, 4 losses and 7 draws. Seems fairly middling to to me.
The current top 3 have only lost 3 games between them this season so it's not just us that they are brushing aside.
Your post has no relevance to mine. *wink*
Mainly because you gave a politicians answer and didn't answer the question.
Ok, if your going to ignore games because they don't support your stance can I the last 5 minutes at Sunderland and QPR chalked off? *wink*
I accept that we're a bit crap some of the time but we're also a bit average and a bit decent some of the time. That's what you get with mid table sides.
I just can't accept that last sentence. We haven't been decent since we played blackburn 3 months ago.
As a few have pointed out the 'style' is exactly what he did with blues which is try to get to the last 10minutes with e game still in the balance and then hope for a late winner. The entire setup is designed to play it safe for the majority of the game. I understand this but can't see how he thinks he can implement it at Villa. We have 2 centre backs who always look like they have a mistake in them. We have fullbacks who regularly get skinned. Our defensive midfield 'options' are a youngster with a handful of games under his belt and not a lot else.
This disparity between style and playing staff isn't something new, it was always going to be the case when we appointed the clown, that's why it was always such a bad idea. We have a squad setup to keep the ball and play through the midfield and a manager who is happy to have 40% possession. The thing is replacing the manager should be a lot cheaper than buying a new squad to fit his plans but you can't put a price on pride and that's what sacking him will cost the board.
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I'm not worried about our premier league future at all. We aren't going to get into Europe, we aren't going down. We are going to be mid table somewhere between 7th and 12th. And on the bright side one of the sides who we can't beat at home or away is going to get knocked out of the FA Cup.
I think it is harsh to criticise the club off the pitch, lots of things are better now than five years ago. Even the club shop has better stock and even has a high street location in town. We have excellent match day facilities to suit all pockets and the PA kind of works better than it ever did.
I accept the footy is shite to watch, but I'm up for giving AM a chance; lets see how he beds the young talent in, how he deals with the departures of Dunne, Collins and all the other old rubbish. Give him at least a transfer window to sort things out and do some wheeling and dealing.
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I think it is harsh to criticise the club off the pitch, lots of things are better now than five years ago. Even the club shop has better stock and even has a high street location in town. We have excellent match day facilities to suit all pockets and the PA kind of works better than it ever did.
All these things are nice, but it is being wiped away by clueless managerial appointments and a sense that the club has no direction right now.
Randy is not going to be judged on the variety of ties in the club shop, but he is being judged on our seeming inability to get anything right at this moment, both on and off the pitch.
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1st time post.... here goes
Been a Villa fan since my first game v Blackpool in 1973 aged 7. Been some huge magnificent high points since then as well as some plunging the depths low spots....... This feels bad!!
There is no life at Villa Park at the moment, no joy and very little hope. We're playing monochrome football under a monochrome ginger top manager.
We've a chairman who perhaps reasonably, is looking in his wallet wondering where all the millions he's pumped in has gone. We've a squad many of whom are not sufficient quality and some youngsters on whom the jury is out
The cup draw has got disaster written all over it and the whole club feels like its under a black cloud.
I dont think that the present management team can create any excitement or any hope. Crowds are going to tumble like the end of a Heskey run and we will be down among the dead men at the end of the season.
We need a change of direction and an increase of positivity. The feeling around the club when BFR arrived, Sir Brian and the start of MON's flawed stewardship. This comes from the top......
Has Randy got the inclination and the bottle to act now???
I bloody hope so
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1st time post.... here goes
Been a Villa fan since my first game v Blackpool in 1973 aged 7. Been some huge magnificent high points since then as well as some plunging the depths low spots....... This feels bad!!
There is no life at Villa Park at the moment, no joy and very little hope. We're playing monochrome football under a monochrome ginger top manager.
We've a chairman who perhaps reasonably, is looking in his wallet wondering where all the millions he's pumped in has gone. We've a squad many of whom are not sufficient quality and some youngsters on whom the jury is out
The cup draw has got disaster written all over it and the whole club feels like its under a black cloud.
I dont think that the present management team can create any excitement or any hope. Crowds are going to tumble like the end of a Heskey run and we will be down among the dead men at the end of the season.
We need a change of direction and an increase of positivity. The feeling around the club when BFR arrived, Sir Brian and the start of MON's flawed stewardship. This comes from the top......
Has Randy got the inclination and the bottle to act now???
I bloody hope so
Hello.
I don't think he has.
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The problem is the club is in active retreat. In the Premier League you have to move forward to stand still, and if you stand still you go backwards, so if you actively retreat and go backwards you absolutely plummet.
Randy just thought he'd play it safe, get in a 'safe pair of hands' (when has that strategy actually worked?) and basically have the club keep a low profile for a year or two. The trouble is, the Premier League is Darwinian: everyone is out to kill each other, and every year the three worst performing clubs get culled. If you're trying to keep a low profile, not bother anyone, not cause a fuss, well, everyone's going to come after you anyway and you're screwed.
Damage limitation is no option, and yet the club, from the boardroom to the pitch, has that written all over them at the moment. If we can't afford the top individual stars at the moment, we needed to take a chance on something innovative at club level and someone progressive in the dugout. McLeish in football terms is as stale as his football (in no other industry would being behind the curve be described as being "good old-fashioned" - indeed, in no other industry is the phrase "old-fashioned" a compliment), and everyone is driving forward ahead of us. This needs to change as soon as possible.
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I'm asking if you consider it to be midtable form Chris. Without looking at a league table, if someone said they supported a club that had won 2 of the last 12 would you say, sounds like a mid table club?
From 14 games it is 3 wins, 4 losses and 7 draws. Seems fairly middling to to me.
The current top 3 have only lost 3 games between them this season so it's not just us that they are brushing aside.
Here's an attempt at a prediction:
- Against the teams in the top half we've won 2 points in 5 matches.
- Against the teams in the bottom half we've won 14 points in 9 matches.
- The 3 matches lost against teams in the top half are against the teams currently in the top three, but two of the matches won are against the bottom two, and all matches won are home matches
- So a match against a top 10 side we will on average win 0.4 points per game
- Against a bottom 10 side we will on average win 1.6 points per game
- In the matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Stoke, we can expect 1.6 points
- In the match against Bolton we can expect 1.6 points
- Which means that we can expect 3.2 points ~ 3 points in the next six matches.
- After half a season, we'll have 19 points in 19 matches.
- That's not mid-table form
Note: This prediction does not take into account that we appear to be getting steadingly worse.
Those are interesting figures - and a little worrying!
However, at this stage it's hard to draw conclusions on limited data as one result that bucks the trend then has a dramatic impact. For instance, and I'm not saying we will, should we beat Liverpool at the home it becomes 5 points from 6 games against top half teams, so over a season of 18 games against them it's 15 points. Added to the 32 against the bottom half, based on your 1.6 points per game, would put us on a very healthy 47 points at the end of the season.
As I said, I do find your figures worrying, but we need to be careful and understand that things can change dramatically. The more games we play the more validity projections like this have, so I say keep an eye on it, but don't reach for the cyanide just yet!
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I'm asking if you consider it to be midtable form Chris. Without looking at a league table, if someone said they supported a club that had won 2 of the last 12 would you say, sounds like a mid table club?
There's so many clubs like that though. Stoke for example had lost 5 games on the bounce, they've won their last two and are now 8th!
QPR are level on points with us and they've only won one home game.
The thing that will save McLeish this season imo is remember he did get relegated last year on 39 points which was the highest in the league for 10 seasons.
This season and luckilly for us teams will stay up on 34 or 35 points I reckon as Wigan, Blackburn and Bolton are that bad I think.
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Manager stays=Villa relegated. No doubts. No plan, no idea, no fire, and Randy.. not much value in club if not in Prem. For Gods sake Eck...resign please.
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At the moment I really don't think we'll get relegated. I honestly believe there are 5-6 worse sides than us.
However that could change if we lose say Gabby or Bent in January and it's not beyong the realms of possibility that one of them could leave.
So the fact that we are talking like this is more a damning verdict on RL more than anything. That's the worry, we could be the next Sheffield Wednesday, suffering a slow decline before after 3-4 years of trying finally ending up relegated.
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I'm asking if you consider it to be midtable form Chris. Without looking at a league table, if someone said they supported a club that had won 2 of the last 12 would you say, sounds like a mid table club?
From 14 games it is 3 wins, 4 losses and 7 draws. Seems fairly middling to to me.
The current top 3 have only lost 3 games between them this season so it's not just us that they are brushing aside.
Here's an attempt at a prediction:
- Against the teams in the top half we've won 2 points in 5 matches.
- Against the teams in the bottom half we've won 14 points in 9 matches.
- The 3 matches lost against teams in the top half are against the teams currently in the top three, but two of the matches won are against the bottom two, and all matches won are home matches
- So a match against a top 10 side we will on average win 0.4 points per game
- Against a bottom 10 side we will on average win 1.6 points per game
- In the matches against Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Stoke, we can expect 1.6 points
- In the match against Bolton we can expect 1.6 points
- Which means that we can expect 3.2 points ~ 3 points in the next six matches.
- After half a season, we'll have 19 points in 19 matches.
- That's not mid-table form
Note: This prediction does not take into account that we appear to be getting steadingly worse.
Those are interesting figures - and a little worrying!
However, at this stage it's hard to draw conclusions on limited data as one result that bucks the trend then has a dramatic impact. For instance, and I'm not saying we will, should we beat Liverpool at the home it becomes 5 points from 6 games against top half teams, so over a season of 18 games against them it's 15 points. Added to the 32 against the bottom half, based on your 1.6 points per game, would put us on a very healthy 47 points at the end of the season.
As I said, I do find your figures worrying, but we need to be careful and understand that things can change dramatically. The more games we play the more validity projections like this have, so I say keep an eye on it, but don't reach for the cyanide just yet!
very silimar to Blose 39 points in 38 games last season. In which we know what happened .
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I think Blose only won 2 games last season against a Top 10 side , which was a complete fluke against Chelsea and Sunderland at home . exactly how it is panning out for us this season .
How Lerner and Faulkner did not notice simple statistics like this !!!!
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Its probably all bullshit of course, but I must admit I love a bit of gossip like this so I mention it for entertainment purposes only.
Someone has posted this on another forum. I wont link to it but the relevant parts are reproduced below.
Its nice to dream.
"You boys have hit the jackpot.
Lerner has done a steady job, but you've struck oil
No wind ups. Its not my style.
Your being taken over by QIA (Qatar Investment Authority). The people that own Malaga and PSG, also tried to buy Everton (didn't want to buy a new stadium) and Blackburn (had their offered declined by Venkys, even though they offered to give them their money back for the club, remove all the debts they had accrued and also pay each family member £4.2million each).
It'll happen at the end of this season - You owe Lerner a fortune. He doesn't want to sell, and didn't want to sell, but accepted these people offer something he never will be able too, and accepted the bid on the basis that its what is best for the club.
To put it into perspective, QIA make City look like Derby.
How I know? I couldn't possibly tell you. But you'll see. The story will start breaking late Feb/early March.
Although born in England I'm a big fan of foreign football, i tend to think it's more entertaining. I don't "support" any one team, if I like the movement a club is going in I attend their matches. This has led me to follow a lot of Athletico Madrid and, more recently PSG.
I now currently live just south of Liverpool, as someone's already picked up on. I work independently as a sports and media advisor. It's basically my job to find information which clients ask for, then look at past examples and make predictions.
Living in Liverpool, and watching a lot of PSG, QIAs interest in Everton was very exciting for me. So i tracked the story of how they looked at Everton, then got advised on Blackburn, then back to Everton, then got offered the chance to visit Villa Park."
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Bollocks. Can live in hope though
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Oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit
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Hillbilly is worried I think. Should we all be?
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Oh no it's back!
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hello my old friend, Hello
Im worried so....
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I might read this from the start...
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I might read this from the start...
Don't do it. You'll never survive it.
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the attempt sent three posters blind and one emigrated half way through.Good luck.
By the way i'm worried.
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i almost shit a brick having read the first page but not the dates, i imagined a scooby doo style de masking of randy lerner by the academy lads revealing it to be old man ellis all along lol.
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infact i just figured it all out, times are so hard randy had to let the guy inside the bella suit go and replaced him himself. thats why hes never at vp anymore.
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Hello darkness my old friend...
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Time for this to return?
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I would say so.
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It's alive!
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Can we have a poll?
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"..........Aston Villa fans´ groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later."
October 18th 2005 - That's almost nine years ago FGS.
Nothing has changed.
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(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1466/alxc.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/alxc.jpg/)
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Aaahhh. Despite the fact I'm seriously worried about precisely WTF is going on at the club, the return of this thread is like a warm and comforting blanket for my worries.
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If we were 10 points clear at the top of the table and in the FA, League and Champions League Finals I'd still be worrying. That's what being a football supporter is all about.
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It's like being reacquainted with an old friend.
The number of dark days I discussed our issues on this thread with Robbo and Peter W while most of you slept. It was like a comfort blanket in some very dark days.
Let's hope it isn't needed for too long.
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I think I might have to reacquaint myself with this masterpiece. Is this the one with added (more so than normal) homophobia with a certain mr. J mooney esq.?
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I think I might have to reacquaint myself with this masterpiece. Is this the one with added (more so than normal) homophobia with a certain mr. J mooney esq.?
Yep. Known as Laughing Gravity on this thread but Mooney all the same.
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I have added a poll to express your level of worry.
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The future's uncertain and the end is always near.
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How do I vote for multiple options. As opposed to removing vote.
I count about 6 or 7 which could be applicable
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Will I be pretty, will I be rich...
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How do I vote for multiple options. As opposed to removing vote.
I count about 6 or 7 which could be applicable
In which case you belong in a whole new category of worry!
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Brilliant thanks for this it reminds me of how long we have had to put up with all this crap. Biggest club by far in the second city of the nation and we are a disaster and have been for years, i don't know why but ineptitude seems to haunt Villa Park like a bad smell. I don't know if there is a buyer in waiting, i suspect not which has me shaking my head at the latest calamity to befall our club but whoever does come in they better have deep pockets because the footballing gods havn't shone on us for a long time.
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Brilliant thanks for this it reminds me of how long we have had to put up with all this crap. Biggest club by far in the second city of the nation and we are a disaster and have been for years, i don't know why but ineptitude seems to haunt Villa Park like a bad smell. I don't know if there is a buyer in waiting, i suspect not which has me shaking my head at the latest calamity to befall our club but whoever does come in they better have deep pockets because the footballing gods havn't shone on us for a long time.
To be fair, they have given us small heath.
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I'm trying a Villa Sabatical. Failed miserable by logging on here. I'm attempting to stay clear of any forums, websites, social media sites,Radio Broadcasts in order for my own sanity. When there's news I'm sure I'll hear it. I'm off to enjoy my summer (just like Randu).
See you all in August.
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Im chilled (no i'm not i'm panicing, to be honest there are that many threads running I'm not sure where to post!
What does worry me is the fact we aren't retaining people like Albrighton and were not renewing deals to important players
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I'm concerned at the moment. It's a bit like when we all seemed to fall into a collective sleep when the old Trinity Road stand got knocked down; such was our collective sense of powerlessness and apathy that there was the feeling we could do nothing to stop it.
I'd like the Villa Supporters' Trust to be putting more pressure on the club to keep the supporters informed and to keep putting statements out so that we get the message across about the kind of new custodians we need. (That's not meant to read like a complaint against the Trust, by the way, it's just what I'd love to see happen.)
I'm concerned also that Man United supporting Keith Harris is entrusted to finding us a buyer. Let's imagine some real big-hitting potential owners come on the scene looking for a club - would he really steer them towards us or would he try to keep them up his sleeve to match up with his own club somewhere down the line?
I have no idea at all how any of this business works so I could just be talking out of my backside but those are my worries and concerns as it stands.
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I don't give a shit but am really ANGRY!!
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Excellent set of questions.
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The ides of May.
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I'm not worried about the future, I'm pretty confident that things will all get sorted with a good new owner as I trust Randy not to sell us to a charlatan.
I also don't think the squad is as bad as people think, it's just missing a couple of key players, a coaching team who will concentrate on technique and a decent tactician in charge.
What I am worried about though is the present, there's a lot of things to address to get to the point above, the main one being the coaching team, but I'm not sure how effective we can be in fixing those issues if the takeover doesn't happen by the end of the world cup. I'm not sure I trust Lambert to get decent coaches and without those we're still stuck with a squad of players who have the basics to be premier league but are drifting away from it.
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What a pity a couple of thousand more didn't get off their arses and protest at the rumoured appointment of mcleish.
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How do you know that would have helped? Would it have meant Lerner putting more money in?
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I'm a chilled out Mother.
Supporting the Villa all these years I've come to the conclusion that whatever I expect from them they will do the exact opposite. Top 10 and a cup beckons.
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Supporting the Villa all these years I've come to the conclusion that whatever I expect from them they will do the exact opposite. Top 10 and a cup beckons.
There's definitely an element of that about this club.
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How do you know that would have helped? Would it have meant Lerner putting more money in?
I don't; but it may just have sent the message that we wouldn't stand for absolutely anything our owner fancied.
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How do you know that would have helped? Would it have meant Lerner putting more money in?
I don't; but it may just have sent the message that we wouldn't stand for absolutely anything our owner fancied.
But we have to stand for it, don't we? He's the owner, he doesn't have to answer to anyone, not even shareholders. We tried telling Doug we'd had enough and he said he'd leave when he wanted to. Which is exactly what he did.
We're having to stand for what Randy wants right now, too - Lambert still here, no spending, no ambition, and there's not a single thing we can do about it. 3,000 people not renewing their season tickets wouldn't even make any difference.
There's no way he'd have changed his mind. As it was, all those people running up and down Witton Lane when he got the job did was make it easy for them to deflect attention from the appointment.
Appointing McLeish was the most mind bogglingly stupid thing I've seen Aston Villa do in decades, it made zero sense on any level, but the fact he came from Blues - for me anyway - didn't make one iota of difference. It was the fact he was a poor manager with a proven record of shit results, relegations and awful football that bothered me, not that he used to manage Small Heath.
The protests just made it look entirely like it was because he used to manage them. To that end, they were actually counter-productive.
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How do you know that would have helped? Would it have meant Lerner putting more money in?
I don't; but it may just have sent the message that we wouldn't stand for absolutely anything our owner fancied.
But we have to stand for it, don't we? He's the owner, he doesn't have to answer to anyone, not even shareholders. We tried telling Doug we'd had enough and he said he'd leave when he wanted to. Which is exactly what he did.
We're having to stand for what Randy wants right now, too - Lambert still here, no spending, no ambition, and there's not a single thing we can do about it. 3,000 people not renewing their season tickets wouldn't even make any difference.
There's no way he'd have changed his mind. As it was, all those people running up and down Witton Lane when he got the job did was make it easy for them to deflect attention from the appointment.
Appointing McLeish was the most mind bogglingly stupid thing I've seen Aston Villa do in decades, it made zero sense on any level, but the fact he came from Blues - for me anyway - didn't make one iota of difference. It was the fact he was a poor manager with a proven record of shit results, relegations and awful football that bothered me, not that he used to manage Small Heath.
The protests just made it look entirely like it was because he used to manage them. To that end, they were actually counter-productive.
They came across as counter productive only because of the very small numbers that turned out.
We should never ever ever have stood for that appointment, Randy was being mardy and appointed the relegation king just to stick two fingers up to us.
I've no great criticism to level at Randy but I do find it hard to give him too much great for the Acorns deal, fabulous as it was, they only got the deal because he'd failed to secure a worthy enough sponsorship with a commercial party comparable with our rivals.
Our commercial deals throughout his ownership have been absolutely terrible and have left us years behind where we'd like ourselves to be.
At least that's my opinion.
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It's your opinion Eddie and, I respect that but, I genuinely and sincerely hope you never, ever have to see any of your children (if you have them) in a hospice.
The Acorns/Commercial thing should never be part of the argument regarding Randy Lerner's tenure. That is just my opinion.
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They came across as counter productive only because of the very small numbers that turned out.
I dunno about that, I thought they seemed counter productive because they looked so daft. Did they honestly think Lerner would un-appoint him?
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Behave yourself, my life's been devasted by cancer and I'm the biggest of fans of our Acorns relationship, I just think Randys avoided criticism for the dire business deals he's done for us.
I repeat; I'm proud of my club for supporting Acorns x
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They came across as counter productive only because of the very small numbers that turned out.
I dunno about that, I thought they seemed counter productive because they looked so daft. Did they honestly think Lerner would un-appoint him?
No I don't think 200 people thought he'd be unappointed, but if there had been twenty thousand there..............well who knows; maybe things would have been different.
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Do these dire business deals include the biggest we've e ever had?
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How do you know that would have helped? Would it have meant Lerner putting more money in?
I don't; but it may just have sent the message that we wouldn't stand for absolutely anything our owner fancied.
The protests just made it look entirely like it was because he used to manage them. To that end, they were actually counter-productive.
That's probably because at a guess i'd say 95% of those who went along to the protests did so because of who he used to manage. That's why Randy didn't take them seriously enough to change his mind.
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How do you know that would have helped? Would it have meant Lerner putting more money in?
I don't; but it may just have sent the message that we wouldn't stand for absolutely anything our owner fancied.
But we have to stand for it, don't we? He's the owner, he doesn't have to answer to anyone, not even shareholders. We tried telling Doug we'd had enough and he said he'd leave when he wanted to. Which is exactly what he did.
We're having to stand for what Randy wants right now, too - Lambert still here, no spending, no ambition, and there's not a single thing we can do about it. 3,000 people not renewing their season tickets wouldn't even make any difference.
There's no way he'd have changed his mind. As it was, all those people running up and down Witton Lane when he got the job did was make it easy for them to deflect attention from the appointment.
Appointing McLeish was the most mind bogglingly stupid thing I've seen Aston Villa do in decades, it made zero sense on any level, but the fact he came from Blues - for me anyway - didn't make one iota of difference. It was the fact he was a poor manager with a proven record of shit results, relegations and awful football that bothered me, not that he used to manage Small Heath.
The protests just made it look entirely like it was because he used to manage them. To that end, they were actually counter-productive.
I've no great criticism to level at Randy but I do find it hard to give him too much great for the Acorns deal, fabulous as it was, they only got the deal because he'd failed to secure a worthy enough sponsorship with a commercial party comparable with our rivals.
So you're suggesting that rather than take the best deal we were offered, he decided to take nothing at all? Really?
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Do these dire business deals include the biggest we've e ever had?
Topping Doug in an era awash with money shouldn't make headline news.
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How do you know that would have helped? Would it have meant Lerner putting more money in?
I don't; but it may just have sent the message that we wouldn't stand for absolutely anything our owner fancied.
But we have to stand for it, don't we? He's the owner, he doesn't have to answer to anyone, not even shareholders. We tried telling Doug we'd had enough and he said he'd leave when he wanted to. Which is exactly what he did.
We're having to stand for what Randy wants right now, too - Lambert still here, no spending, no ambition, and there's not a single thing we can do about it. 3,000 people not renewing their season tickets wouldn't even make any difference.
There's no way he'd have changed his mind. As it was, all those people running up and down Witton Lane when he got the job did was make it easy for them to deflect attention from the appointment.
Appointing McLeish was the most mind bogglingly stupid thing I've seen Aston Villa do in decades, it made zero sense on any level, but the fact he came from Blues - for me anyway - didn't make one iota of difference. It was the fact he was a poor manager with a proven record of shit results, relegations and awful football that bothered me, not that he used to manage Small Heath.
The protests just made it look entirely like it was because he used to manage them. To that end, they were actually counter-productive.
I've no great criticism to level at Randy but I do find it hard to give him too much great for the Acorns deal, fabulous as it was, they only got the deal because he'd failed to secure a worthy enough sponsorship with a commercial party comparable with our rivals.
So you're suggesting that rather than take the best deal we were offered, he decided to take nothing at all? Really?
Yep
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Do these dire business deals include the biggest we've e ever had?
Topping Doug in an era awash with money shouldn't make headline news.
It doesn't make them 'dire' either.
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Do these dire business deals include the biggest we've e ever had?
Topping Doug in an era awash with money shouldn't make headline news.
It doesn't make them 'dire' either.
Emile Heskey earned himself a better contract than Peter Withe but it doesn't mean he's a better striker than the great man himself. I don't think we can compare our boards deals with anything that their predecessors achieved.
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How do you know that would have helped? Would it have meant Lerner putting more money in?
I don't; but it may just have sent the message that we wouldn't stand for absolutely anything our owner fancied.
But we have to stand for it, don't we? He's the owner, he doesn't have to answer to anyone, not even shareholders. We tried telling Doug we'd had enough and he said he'd leave when he wanted to. Which is exactly what he did.
We're having to stand for what Randy wants right now, too - Lambert still here, no spending, no ambition, and there's not a single thing we can do about it. 3,000 people not renewing their season tickets wouldn't even make any difference.
There's no way he'd have changed his mind. As it was, all those people running up and down Witton Lane when he got the job did was make it easy for them to deflect attention from the appointment.
Appointing McLeish was the most mind bogglingly stupid thing I've seen Aston Villa do in decades, it made zero sense on any level, but the fact he came from Blues - for me anyway - didn't make one iota of difference. It was the fact he was a poor manager with a proven record of shit results, relegations and awful football that bothered me, not that he used to manage Small Heath.
The protests just made it look entirely like it was because he used to manage them. To that end, they were actually counter-productive.
I've no great criticism to level at Randy but I do find it hard to give him too much great for the Acorns deal, fabulous as it was, they only got the deal because he'd failed to secure a worthy enough sponsorship with a commercial party comparable with our rivals.
So you're suggesting that rather than take the best deal we were offered, he decided to take nothing at all? Really?
Yep
Hmm, ok.
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Do these dire business deals include the biggest we've e ever had?
Topping Doug in an era awash with money shouldn't make headline news.
It doesn't make them 'dire' either.
Emile Heskey earned himself a better contract than Peter Withe but it doesn't mean he's a better striker than the great man himself. I don't think we can compare our boards deals with anything that their predecessors achieved.
They can be compared directly but that's irrelevant. What evidence is there for them being dire except "They just are"?
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How do you know that would have helped? Would it have meant Lerner putting more money in?
I don't; but it may just have sent the message that we wouldn't stand for absolutely anything our owner fancied.
But we have to stand for it, don't we? He's the owner, he doesn't have to answer to anyone, not even shareholders. We tried telling Doug we'd had enough and he said he'd leave when he wanted to. Which is exactly what he did.
We're having to stand for what Randy wants right now, too - Lambert still here, no spending, no ambition, and there's not a single thing we can do about it. 3,000 people not renewing their season tickets wouldn't even make any difference.
There's no way he'd have changed his mind. As it was, all those people running up and down Witton Lane when he got the job did was make it easy for them to deflect attention from the appointment.
Appointing McLeish was the most mind bogglingly stupid thing I've seen Aston Villa do in decades, it made zero sense on any level, but the fact he came from Blues - for me anyway - didn't make one iota of difference. It was the fact he was a poor manager with a proven record of shit results, relegations and awful football that bothered me, not that he used to manage Small Heath.
The protests just made it look entirely like it was because he used to manage them. To that end, they were actually counter-productive.
I've no great criticism to level at Randy but I do find it hard to give him too much great for the Acorns deal, fabulous as it was, they only got the deal because he'd failed to secure a worthy enough sponsorship with a commercial party comparable with our rivals.
So you're suggesting that rather than take the best deal we were offered, he decided to take nothing at all? Really?
Yep
Hmm, ok.
I'm sure that's what was reported at the time.
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Or maybe it was just a good gesture on our part.
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Supporting the Villa all these years I've come to the conclusion that whatever I expect from them they will do the exact opposite. Top 10 and a cup beckons.
There's definitely an element of that about this club.
The most enthusiastic visitors to Villa Park year-on-year are clubs who have yet to win on the road.
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Do these dire business deals include the biggest we've e ever had?
Topping Doug in an era awash with money shouldn't make headline news.
It doesn't make them 'dire' either.
Emile Heskey earned himself a better contract than Peter Withe but it doesn't mean he's a better striker than the great man himself. I don't think we can compare our boards deals with anything that their predecessors achieved.
They can be compared directly but that's irrelevant. What evidence is there for them being dire except "They just are"?
The evidence is on the shirts, both the manufacturer and the sponsor.
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Will I be pretty, will I be rich...
No.
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Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?
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Will I be pretty, will I be rich...
No.
I'm putting on a brave face but I'm crying on the inside.
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Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?
Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?
As ever presents in the most glamourous league in world football a Commercial Department with vision ought to be working alongside credible Global brands not scratching around with internet bookies and being patted on the back for bettering previous deals with Mita Copiers and LDV vans.
These deals may will be of more monetary value than those before them but I believe the name of Aston Villa deserves better and sadly I don't believe our commercial department understand this and have therefore repeatedly undersold us.
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Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?
Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?
As ever presents in the most glamourous league in world football a Commercial Department with vision ought to be working alongside credible Global brands not scratching around with internet bookies and being patted on the back for bettering previous deals with Mita Copiers and LDV vans.
These deals may will be of more monetary value than those before them but I believe the name of Aston Villa deserves better and sadly I don't believe our commercial department understand this and have therefore repeatedly undersold us.
Are you one of those people that thinks there's some sort of prestige tied to being associated with famous labels? I'd prefer it if we just got the best deal we could.
Which we did.
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As I said - they just should.
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Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?
Would you care to explain that, given that both gave us record sums?
As ever presents in the most glamourous league in world football a Commercial Department with vision ought to be working alongside credible Global brands not scratching around with internet bookies and being patted on the back for bettering previous deals with Mita Copiers and LDV vans.
These deals may will be of more monetary value than those before them but I believe the name of Aston Villa deserves better and sadly I don't believe our commercial department understand this and have therefore repeatedly undersold us.
So you believe we think of money more than who is sponsoring us?
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These deals may will be of more monetary value than those before them but I believe the name of Aston Villa deserves better and sadly I don't believe our commercial department understand this and have therefore repeatedly undersold us.
So on the one hand it was silly to do the Acorns deal when there was somebody willing to offer us any form of commercial sponsorship, but when our current deals are the biggest in our history that doesn't matter because the names aren't credible enough?
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If you don't think we deserve better and you're content with our commercial departments performance I guess there's little I can say to change you minds.
I just think the name of Aston Villa has missed a massive opportunity to exploit the global success of the league that we created by the poor performance of un creative commercial team.
The contentment among these ranks reaks of the same apathy that allowed Alex Mcleish through the door.
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So who out there sees Aston Villa as a major name that they want to be associated with? Even FX Pro - or whatever - dumped us for Fulham.
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And didn't Nike do a shit job when Villa were associated with them? New kits delivered late etc.
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If you don't think we deserve better and you're content with our commercial departments performance I guess there's little I can say to change you minds.
I just think the name of Aston Villa has missed a massive opportunity to exploit the global success of the league that we created by the poor performance of un creative commercial team.
The contentment among these ranks reaks of the same apathy that allowed Alex Mcleish through the door.
You avoided the points me and Dave made. If it was just about money (as I presume you are suggesting) we wouldn't have given Acorns the chance to get themselves recognised and just taken the best financial offer available.
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If you don't think we deserve better and you're content with our commercial departments performance I guess there's little I can say to change you minds.
I just think the name of Aston Villa has missed a massive opportunity to exploit the global success of the league that we created by the poor performance of un creative commercial team.
The contentment among these ranks reaks of the same apathy that allowed Alex Mcleish through the door.
You avoided the points me and Dave made. If it was just about money (as I presume you are suggesting) we wouldn't have given Acorns the chance to get themselves recognised and taken the best financial offer we could.
I think he's suggesting it's about money and prestige. Microsoft as opposed to Muller lite, that kind of thing.
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If you don't think we deserve better and you're content with our commercial departments performance I guess there's little I can say to change you minds.
I just think the name of Aston Villa has missed a massive opportunity to exploit the global success of the league that we created by the poor performance of un creative commercial team.
The contentment among these ranks reaks of the same apathy that allowed Alex Mcleish through the door.
Better commercial deals will come when we are a consistantly attractive side. Sponsorship is very much a mirror of where you see or would like to see your brand. You may well think we're Harrods or Selfridges but in the real world we're as dull as Littlewoods. Great history, still have a decent number of customers but that's about it.
Missed opportunity? You're putting the cart in front of the horse.
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How many of the sponsors in the premier league last season pass your 'worthy of the name' test?
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country; the very idea that Wigan, Hull and Swansea would be mentioned commercially in the same breath as Aston Villa was unthinkable!
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country; the very idea that Wigan, Hull and Swansea would be mentioned commercially in the same breath as Aston Villa was unthinkable!
What's wrong with our football ground?
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So who out there sees Aston Villa as a major name that they want to be associated with? Even FX Pro - or whatever - dumped us for Fulham.
Was that because their ground is on Heathrow flight path? Or was that Brentford?
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So who out there sees Aston Villa as a major name that they want to be associated with? Even FX Pro - or whatever - dumped us for Fulham.
Was that because their ground is on Heathrow flight path? Or was that Brentford?
Maybe we wanted too much money? Or maybe the FXPro marketing director is a Fulham fan?
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country; the very idea that Wigan, Hull and Swansea would be mentioned commercially in the same breath as Aston Villa was unthinkable!
I think that off the pitch Aston Villa are commercially very well run. It's the bit of the pitch where we have trouble.
Wigan, Swansea and Hull weren't in the PL ten years ago so you have to accept that their commercial teams would prosper once they arrived in the land of milk and honey.
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country; the very idea that Wigan, Hull and Swansea would be mentioned commercially in the same breath as Aston Villa was unthinkable!
Is that you, Abdul Rashid?
What was our commercial turnover ten years ago and why was it so easy two years later for the new board to come in and increase it significantly?
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country; the very idea that Wigan, Hull and Swansea would be mentioned commercially in the same breath as Aston Villa was unthinkable!
Things have moved on though with overseas investors ripping up the rule book. If anyone had told you then that Man City would be the wealthiest club in the country, winning the title twice in three years you would have laughed in their face.
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So who out there sees Aston Villa as a major name that they want to be associated with? Even FX Pro - or whatever - dumped us for Fulham.
Was that because their ground is on Heathrow flight path? Or was that Brentford?
Maybe we wanted too much money? Or maybe the FXPro marketing director is a Fulham fan?
I wonder if they will stay with them now they are in the Championship !
Never knew what FXPro sold any way so must have been a crap deal.
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country;
So Doug Ellis didn't run Aston Villa like a cornershop? His sale of the club wasn't overdue when it finally was sold?
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country; the very idea that Wigan, Hull and Swansea would be mentioned commercially in the same breath as Aston Villa was unthinkable!
Earlier today you were saying that beating their deals was no big achievement. Make your mind up.
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We've gone from this...
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To this...
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With apologies to the Shelleys' junior. I hope it works.
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Ferk it. Got it wrong again Dad. I followed the how to instructions too.
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country; the very idea that Wigan, Hull and Swansea would be mentioned commercially in the same breath as Aston Villa was unthinkable!
Earlier today you were saying that beating their deals was no big achievement. Make your mind up.
You miss understand, we've bettered the deals of the nineties because footballs awash with money, but during this time we've allowed other clubs to catch us up and they now compete with us at a level none of us would have believed possible.
Wigan, Hull, Fulham, Swansea; we're Aston bloomin Villa for Christsake!
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country; the very idea that Wigan, Hull and Swansea would be mentioned commercially in the same breath as Aston Villa was unthinkable!
Earlier today you were saying that beating their deals was no big achievement. Make your mind up.
You miss understand, we've bettered the deals of the nineties because footballs awash with money, but during this time we've allowed other clubs to catch us up and they now compete with us at a level none of us would have believed possible.
Wigan, Hull, Fulham, Swansea; we're Aston bloomin Villa for Christsake!
Wigan and Fulham aren't anymore.
However good your commercial department is, landing £75m for just being in the league is going to dwarf it at mean that most of the teams in the league are on pretty much a level playing field.
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country; the very idea that Wigan, Hull and Swansea would be mentioned commercially in the same breath as Aston Villa was unthinkable!
Earlier today you were saying that beating their deals was no big achievement. Make your mind up.
You miss understand, we've bettered the deals of the nineties because footballs awash with money, but during this time we've allowed other clubs to catch us up and they now compete with us at a level none of us would have believed possible.
Wigan, Hull, Fulham, Swansea; we're Aston bloomin Villa for Christsake!
I don't misunderstand at all but if you could tell me how much those other clubs get paid I'd be grateful.
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I think given the current situation we're going down. Lambert's record hardly inspires confidence does it, Benteke's injury and everything else. Yep I'm worried.
Above all though it's not having a takeover imminent that's the killer. I was quite relaxed when the Lerner statement came out last week, I genuinely thought there were interested parties even if not quite at an advanced stage.
Appears not.
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My frustation and real concern is now turning to anger.Lerner bought our club for whatever reason,spent time and money for a few years but for the last 4 years has presided over the worst period I can remember and I started going regularly in 1968.His total disregard of us as supporters with the horrendous appointment of McCleish,the total lack of any communication (until he thought his intended sale would be jeopardised by relegation) and his non appearances for the last twelve months are bad enough but the gambling in January by no desperately required signings and the apparent pauper's status we go into the close season compared to the likes of Leicester and Stoke boils my piss.
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Will I be pretty, will I be rich...
No.
I'm putting on a brave face but I'm crying on the inside.
Know how you feel, brother.
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country; the very idea that Wigan, Hull and Swansea would be mentioned commercially in the same breath as Aston Villa was unthinkable!
Earlier today you were saying that beating their deals was no big achievement. Make your mind up.
You miss understand, we've bettered the deals of the nineties because footballs awash with money, but during this time we've allowed other clubs to catch us up and they now compete with us at a level none of us would have believed possible.
Wigan, Hull, Fulham, Swansea; we're Aston bloomin Villa for Christsake!
I don't misunderstand at all but if you could tell me how much those other clubs get paid I'd be grateful.
If by 'get paid' you mean how much they turnover then the point I'm trying to make is that, whatever the figure, it's far too close to our own turnover to consider our commercial performance to have been anything other than disappointing and failing to live up to Randys hype and expectation.
TV money aside what would you list as our commercial successes during his reign?
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country; the very idea that Wigan, Hull and Swansea would be mentioned commercially in the same breath as Aston Villa was unthinkable!
Earlier today you were saying that beating their deals was no big achievement. Make your mind up.
You miss understand, we've bettered the deals of the nineties because footballs awash with money, but during this time we've allowed other clubs to catch us up and they now compete with us at a level none of us would have believed possible.
Wigan, Hull, Fulham, Swansea; we're Aston bloomin Villa for Christsake!
I don't misunderstand at all but if you could tell me how much those other clubs get paid I'd be grateful.
If by 'get paid' you mean how much they turnover then the point I'm trying to make is that, whatever the figure, it's far too close to our own turnover to consider our commercial performance to have been anything other than disappointing and failing to live up to Randys hype and expectation.
TV money aside what would you list as our commercial successes during his reign?
Give us the figures then. I'd say that record kit and sponsorship deals are decent enough, as is the club's massively improved marketing. I'd also like to know on what planet our commercial department and ground were better ten years ago than they are now.
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The Genting sponsorship was comfortably the largest in our history and in the top 8 of the division at the time. The current one, not so much.
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I can't believe it's been two years and a month since the WorryMobile was last fired up. Either we weren't unduly worried during that time or we were so terrified that this thread couldn't begin to cover it.
Given the inevitability that we will be worried for the foreseeable future, should we start organizing a ten-year anniversary party in October 2015 for this thread? Maybe fancy dress with a great worriers theme. Bagsy Leo Bloom (the Gene Wilder character in The Producers).
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And I bagsy be his mentor Mel Brooks singing "High Anxiety".
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A bad day to give up the glue.
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This latest U turn on the Bomb Squad with the open arms for Hutton and NZoig and Bent, malingers all and the boot up the arse for Marc and Fonz for me is the final, though not really needed, confirmation that Villa is currently owned, run and managed by fucking ninnies.
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It's not a great sign to be honest.
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Other than us having to look for new ownership as a Championship side, I fail to see how things could be more worrying at Villa right now. We're in the stickiest situation since Sticky the Stick Insect got stuck on a sticky bun.
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That post was sponsored by Evo Stik.
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This latest U turn on the Bomb Squad with the open arms for Hutton and NZoig and Bent, malingers all and the boot up the arse for Marc and Fonz for me is the final, though not really needed, confirmation that Villa is currently owned, run and managed by fucking ninnies.
You're letting them off lightly with "ninnies"! It is quite clear that Lerner and Faulkner are utterly incompetent - I wonder why on earth Lambert is agreeing to do this thankless job for them? It can't just be for the money.
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That post was sponsored by Evo Stik.
As will the league we'll be playing in someday if our fortunes don't improve.
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This latest U turn on the Bomb Squad with the open arms for Hutton and NZoig and Bent, malingers all and the boot up the arse for Marc and Fonz for me is the final, though not really needed, confirmation that Villa is currently owned, run and managed by fucking ninnies.
You're letting them off lightly with "ninnies"!
I'll have to agree. I'm taking it all the way to ploppypants.
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Ten years ago we had a commercial department and a football ground to rival the best in the country; the very idea that Wigan, Hull and Swansea would be mentioned commercially in the same breath as Aston Villa was unthinkable!
Earlier today you were saying that beating their deals was no big achievement. Make your mind up.
You miss understand, we've bettered the deals of the nineties because footballs awash with money, but during this time we've allowed other clubs to catch us up and they now compete with us at a level none of us would have believed possible.
Wigan, Hull, Fulham, Swansea; we're Aston bloomin Villa for Christsake!
I don't misunderstand at all but if you could tell me how much those other clubs get paid I'd be grateful.
If by 'get paid' you mean how much they turnover then the point I'm trying to make is that, whatever the figure, it's far too close to our own turnover to consider our commercial performance to have been anything other than disappointing and failing to live up to Randys hype and expectation.
TV money aside what would you list as our commercial successes during his reign?
Give us the figures then. I'd say that record kit and sponsorship deals are decent enough, as is the club's massively improved marketing. I'd also like to know on what planet our commercial department and ground were better ten years ago than they are now.
No ones said they were better ten years ago than they are now; what I'm saying is that ten years ago our whole infrastructure was light years ahead of clubs who've accelerated to compete with us whilst we've failed to capitalise on our status in world football, prime catchment area and twenty year experience and benefit of premiership standing and earnings.
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Are you ever going to show us the proof of this?
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Lucky Eddie wrote "we've failed to capitalise on our status in world football, prime catchment area "
A question and an observation -
Just what do you think our status is in world football?
and .....given our prime catchment area - in my 50 +years of watching the Villa we have never constantly filled the ground, otherwise it would have been expanded to 76,000 or whatever it was in the halcyon days
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The more Luck Eddie posts, the more I think he has absolutely no idea what he's on about.
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To quote two men who know (or in one case knew) more than any of us could ever hope to:
"Villa have done well to still be regarded as a big club on the back of one FA Cup, one league title and one European trophy in eighty years" - Terry Weir.
"In all my time watching the Villa we've never filled the ground regularly" - John Russell.
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I can confirm these facts. I started in Mar 57 PNE 2-0 (Myerscough and Sewell) and even then the crowds fluctuated from match to match.At the beginning of the 50's we could have a 60,000 crowd followed by a 30000 crowd. I may be wrong but I think our best average was when we were in the third division!
Sell outs at Villa Park have only rarely happened.
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I pray every day for this thread to die.
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Amen to that. :)
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Are you ever going to show us the proof of this?
Perhaps my memory isn't quite what it used to be but having worked at the football grounds of Wigan, Hull, Derby and Swansea twenty odd years ago the point I'm trying to make is that even without the benefit of twenty years premiership income they and others have moved away from ram shackle grounds operating in some cases out of portacabins to compete with us commercially whilst we started the premiership era from the advantageous North Stand office complex which was undeniably one of the best in world football.
I don't think we've moved on at anything like an acceptable pace and we've been caught up commercially by clubs whom none of us historically would have considered worthy of competing with Aston Villa.
If I'm guilty of lacking in the figures to prove this as fact then I apologise, but I can't apologise for having retained the passion and belief that Aston Villa Football Club should think bigger. Guilty as charged; blame me Dad and William Mcgregor.
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Are you ever going to show us the proof of this?
Perhaps my memory isn't quite what it used to be but having worked at the football grounds of Wigan, Hull, Derby and Swansea twenty odd years ago the point I'm trying to make is that even without the benefit of twenty years premiership income they and others have moved away from ram shackle grounds operating in some cases out of portacabins to compete with us commercially whilst we started the premiership era from the advantageous North Stand office complex which was undeniably one of the best in world football.
I don't think we've moved on at anything like an acceptable pace and we've been caught up commercially by clubs whom none of us historically would have considered worthy of competing with Aston Villa.
If I'm guilty of lacking in the figures to prove this as fact then I apologise, but I can't apologise for having retained the passion and belief that Aston Villa Football Club should think bigger. Guilty as charged; blame me Dad and William Mcgregor.
You mean that post-Taylor Report, clubs who had massive grants to rebuild their stadia actually did just that, and clubs who got promoted into the most commercially successful sports league in the world have made more money? Well I never..
And I know you haven't answered a single question or provided one iota of proof for your ever-incredulous claims, but where do you get the idea that in 1992 the North Stand offices were "undeniably one of the best in world football"?
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A bit of magnanimity would go a long way here I think.
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Are you ever going to show us the proof of this?
Perhaps my memory isn't quite what it used to be but having worked at the football grounds of Wigan, Hull, Derby and Swansea twenty odd years ago the point I'm trying to make is that even without the benefit of twenty years premiership income they and others have moved away from ram shackle grounds operating in some cases out of portacabins to compete with us commercially whilst we started the premiership era from the advantageous North Stand office complex which was undeniably one of the best in world football.
I don't think we've moved on at anything like an acceptable pace and we've been caught up commercially by clubs whom none of us historically would have considered worthy of competing with Aston Villa.
If I'm guilty of lacking in the figures to prove this as fact then I apologise, but I can't apologise for having retained the passion and belief that Aston Villa Football Club should think bigger. Guilty as charged; blame me Dad and William Mcgregor.
I'm going to agree and disagree here. LE is quite right to state that we have fallen massively behind other clubs when it comes to Commercial income, any glance through the Deloitte rankings will tell you that, where it spells it out in a horrifying glare. However his start point is a complete fallacy in saying we had a world class commercial operation a few years ago. I'd say we possibly had that in the late 80's and possibly early 90s but were rapidly overtaken by clubs of a similar and comparable size throughout the next 25 years. We've been playing catch up in the Lerner era but as Dave W has pointed out on numerous occasions the opportunity was lost in the mid/late 90's and early 00's. And the blame for that can be laid fairly and squarely at the feet of one man, H D Ellis.
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Great job with the poll options whoever did them
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Are you ever going to show us the proof of this?
Perhaps my memory isn't quite what it used to be but having worked at the football grounds of Wigan, Hull, Derby and Swansea twenty odd years ago the point I'm trying to make is that even without the benefit of twenty years premiership income they and others have moved away from ram shackle grounds operating in some cases out of portacabins to compete with us commercially whilst we started the premiership era from the advantageous North Stand office complex which was undeniably one of the best in world football.
I don't think we've moved on at anything like an acceptable pace and we've been caught up commercially by clubs whom none of us historically would have considered worthy of competing with Aston Villa.
If I'm guilty of lacking in the figures to prove this as fact then I apologise, but I can't apologise for having retained the passion and belief that Aston Villa Football Club should think bigger. Guilty as charged; blame me Dad and William Mcgregor.
I'm going to agree and disagree here. LE is quite right to state that we have fallen massively behind other clubs when it comes to Commercial income, any glance through the Deloitte rankings will tell you that, where it spells it out in a horrifying glare. However his start point is a complete fallacy in saying we had a world class commercial operation a few years ago. I'd say we possibly had that in the late 80's and possibly early 90s but were rapidly overtaken by clubs of a similar and comparable size throughout the next 25 years. We've been playing catch up in the Lerner era but as Dave W has pointed out on numerous occasions the opportunity was lost in the mid/late 90's and early 00's. And the blame for that can be laid fairly and squarely at the feet of one man, H D Ellis.
It's been embarrassingly bad since Tony Stephens departed in 1986. Never mind Steve Stride, there was one man who should have been manacled to his desk and never allowed to leave. He went to Wembley, turned that round, then became an agent and hand-picked the best English players of the nineties.
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Are you ever going to show us the proof of this?
Perhaps my memory isn't quite what it used to be but having worked at the football grounds of Wigan, Hull, Derby and Swansea twenty odd years ago the point I'm trying to make is that even without the benefit of twenty years premiership income they and others have moved away from ram shackle grounds operating in some cases out of portacabins to compete with us commercially whilst we started the premiership era from the advantageous North Stand office complex which was undeniably one of the best in world football.
I don't think we've moved on at anything like an acceptable pace and we've been caught up commercially by clubs whom none of us historically would have considered worthy of competing with Aston Villa.
If I'm guilty of lacking in the figures to prove this as fact then I apologise, but I can't apologise for having retained the passion and belief that Aston Villa Football Club should think bigger. Guilty as charged; blame me Dad and William Mcgregor.
I'm going to agree and disagree here. LE is quite right to state that we have fallen massively behind other clubs when it comes to Commercial income, any glance through the Deloitte rankings will tell you that, where it spells it out in a horrifying glare. However his start point is a complete fallacy in saying we had a world class commercial operation a few years ago. I'd say we possibly had that in the late 80's and possibly early 90s but were rapidly overtaken by clubs of a similar and comparable size throughout the next 25 years. We've been playing catch up in the Lerner era but as Dave W has pointed out on numerous occasions the opportunity was lost in the mid/late 90's and early 00's. And the blame for that can be laid fairly and squarely at the feet of one man, H D Ellis.
It's been embarrassingly bad since Tony Stephens departed in 1986. Never mind Steve Stride, there was one man who should have been manacled to his desk and never allowed to leave. He went to Wembley, turned that round, then became an agent and hand-picked the best English players of the nineties.
Just googled him and see what you mean Dave!! Can we get him back?!! I wonder why he left.......
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Are you ever going to show us the proof of this?
Perhaps my memory isn't quite what it used to be but having worked at the football grounds of Wigan, Hull, Derby and Swansea twenty odd years ago the point I'm trying to make is that even without the benefit of twenty years premiership income they and others have moved away from ram shackle grounds operating in some cases out of portacabins to compete with us commercially whilst we started the premiership era from the advantageous North Stand office complex which was undeniably one of the best in world football.
I don't think we've moved on at anything like an acceptable pace and we've been caught up commercially by clubs whom none of us historically would have considered worthy of competing with Aston Villa.
If I'm guilty of lacking in the figures to prove this as fact then I apologise, but I can't apologise for having retained the passion and belief that Aston Villa Football Club should think bigger. Guilty as charged; blame me Dad and William Mcgregor.
I'm going to agree and disagree here. LE is quite right to state that we have fallen massively behind other clubs when it comes to Commercial income, any glance through the Deloitte rankings will tell you that, where it spells it out in a horrifying glare. However his start point is a complete fallacy in saying we had a world class commercial operation a few years ago. I'd say we possibly had that in the late 80's and possibly early 90s but were rapidly overtaken by clubs of a similar and comparable size throughout the next 25 years. We've been playing catch up in the Lerner era but as Dave W has pointed out on numerous occasions the opportunity was lost in the mid/late 90's and early 00's. And the blame for that can be laid fairly and squarely at the feet of one man, H D Ellis.
It's been embarrassingly bad since Tony Stephens departed in 1986. Never mind Steve Stride, there was one man who should have been manacled to his desk and never allowed to leave. He went to Wembley, turned that round, then became an agent and hand-picked the best English players of the nineties.
Just googled him and see what you mean Dave!! Can we get him back?!! I wonder why he left.......
You know that last phrase on your previous post?
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Great job with the poll options whoever did them
*tips hat*
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To quote two men who know (or in one case knew) more than any of us could ever hope to:
"Villa have done well to still be regarded as a big club on the back of one FA Cup, one league title and one European trophy in eighty years" - Terry Weir.
"In all my time watching the Villa we've never filled the ground regularly" - John Russell.
Why are the five League Cups omitted in that argument?
One League, One FA Cup a European Cup (and Super Cup) + 5 League Cup wins still puts us far ahead of the vast majority of English clubs even if we were to do a completely arbitrary thing like discount the first 40-60 years of our existence (and why would we want to do a crazy thing like that).
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Are you ever going to show us the proof of this?
Perhaps my memory isn't quite what it used to be but having worked at the football grounds of Wigan, Hull, Derby and Swansea twenty odd years ago the point I'm trying to make is that even without the benefit of twenty years premiership income they and others have moved away from ram shackle grounds operating in some cases out of portacabins to compete with us commercially whilst we started the premiership era from the advantageous North Stand office complex which was undeniably one of the best in world football.
I don't think we've moved on at anything like an acceptable pace and we've been caught up commercially by clubs whom none of us historically would have considered worthy of competing with Aston Villa.
If I'm guilty of lacking in the figures to prove this as fact then I apologise, but I can't apologise for having retained the passion and belief that Aston Villa Football Club should think bigger. Guilty as charged; blame me Dad and William Mcgregor.
I'm going to agree and disagree here. LE is quite right to state that we have fallen massively behind other clubs when it comes to Commercial income, any glance through the Deloitte rankings will tell you that, where it spells it out in a horrifying glare. However his start point is a complete fallacy in saying we had a world class commercial operation a few years ago. I'd say we possibly had that in the late 80's and possibly early 90s but were rapidly overtaken by clubs of a similar and comparable size throughout the next 25 years. We've been playing catch up in the Lerner era but as Dave W has pointed out on numerous occasions the opportunity was lost in the mid/late 90's and early 00's. And the blame for that can be laid fairly and squarely at the feet of one man, H D Ellis.
It's been embarrassingly bad since Tony Stephens departed in 1986. Never mind Steve Stride, there was one man who should have been manacled to his desk and never allowed to leave. He went to Wembley, turned that round, then became an agent and hand-picked the best English players of the nineties.
Just googled him and see what you mean Dave!! Can we get him back?!! I wonder why he left.......
You know that last phrase on your previous post?
I had a feeling you were going to say that. Those old phrases "big club run like a corner shop" "biggest club in the Midlands" and "Doug Ellis, master businessman" just spring to mind again.
Thinking this through though if we'd had a cross of HDE on the football side and RL on the off field/commercial side we might be in a better position. Shame they were both crap at the other bit.
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To quote two men who know (or in one case knew) more than any of us could ever hope to:
"Villa have done well to still be regarded as a big club on the back of one FA Cup, one league title and one European trophy in eighty years" - Terry Weir.
"In all my time watching the Villa we've never filled the ground regularly" - John Russell.
Why are the five League Cups omitted in that argument?
One League, One FA Cup a European Cup (and Super Cup) + 5 League Cup wins still puts us far ahead of the vast majority of English clubs even if we were to do a completely arbitrary thing like discount the first 40-60 years of our existence (and why would we want to do a crazy thing like that).
Probably because they were/are of an age when the League Cup was an irrelevancy, as indeed it largely still is. The fact remains that over a large chunk of football history we've not done particularly well, yet we somehow expect to always be up there challenging.
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You can spin that both ways.
Up until 2000 we had barely gone a decade without winning at least one major trophy. Up until the 1970's we were still the most successful English side in the game, and we were level with Yanited and Arsenal for total trophies won well into the 1990's.
Small fry like Liverpool don't seen to have any shame in acclaiming the LC as a major trophy. Chelsea have always attempted to win it too. It is really only Man U (and relegation fodder like Wolves and, sad to say, ourselves in recent years) who have treated the thing with contempt by fielding weakened sides.
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Are you ever going to show us the proof of this?
Perhaps my memory isn't quite what it used to be but having worked at the football grounds of Wigan, Hull, Derby and Swansea twenty odd years ago the point I'm trying to make is that even without the benefit of twenty years premiership income they and others have moved away from ram shackle grounds operating in some cases out of portacabins to compete with us commercially whilst we started the premiership era from the advantageous North Stand office complex which was undeniably one of the best in world football.
I don't think we've moved on at anything like an acceptable pace and we've been caught up commercially by clubs whom none of us historically would have considered worthy of competing with Aston Villa.
If I'm guilty of lacking in the figures to prove this as fact then I apologise, but I can't apologise for having retained the passion and belief that Aston Villa Football Club should think bigger. Guilty as charged; blame me Dad and William Mcgregor.
I'm going to agree and disagree here. LE is quite right to state that we have fallen massively behind other clubs when it comes to Commercial income, any glance through the Deloitte rankings will tell you that, where it spells it out in a horrifying glare. However his start point is a complete fallacy in saying we had a world class commercial operation a few years ago. I'd say we possibly had that in the late 80's and possibly early 90s but were rapidly overtaken by clubs of a similar and comparable size throughout the next 25 years. We've been playing catch up in the Lerner era but as Dave W has pointed out on numerous occasions the opportunity was lost in the mid/late 90's and early 00's. And the blame for that can be laid fairly and squarely at the feet of one man, H D Ellis.
It's been embarrassingly bad since Tony Stephens departed in 1986. Never mind Steve Stride, there was one man who should have been manacled to his desk and never allowed to leave. He went to Wembley, turned that round, then became an agent and hand-picked the best English players of the nineties.
Not bad for a Sunday footballer. I still have is book somewhere in the house.
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The seventies, and even the nineties, are a long time ago now. One FA Cup and one league in almost a century of trying.
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Tony Stephens wrote a book called The Sunday Footballer. About his times with a team called Martini International. It so happened that a lad I worked with played for them, incidentally he had been on Villa's books and I got to go training with them on a couple of occasions.
Through this tenuous relationship with Tony Stephens, he agreed to come along to our Referee's Association monthly meeting as guest speaker. He came armed with gifts and a shirt Ken McNaught had signed and supposedly worn during a European campaign which we raffled off for our funds. He was at the time commercial manager at the Villa and gave a very interesting talk.
He gave me two tickets in the Trinity for the following days match against Arsenal which we promptly lost 5-1! It was obvious then that he was destined for higher things. Top man.
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When we win one, we'll win another one soon after. Such is the way of these things.
I would sell my first born child for an FA Cup win.
On a wider point: If we do get new owners and a new manager, I hope they at least try to win the fucking thing.
You often hear that Randy 'gets' the Villa. But any genuine custodian would have taken the guillotine to a Villa manger treating the FA Cup as an inconvenience.
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Not bad for a Sunday footballer. I still have is book somewhere in the house.
You and I must have been half of his total sales. Even then you could see how he thought ahead of the game, though. The look at the players he had - Beckham, Platt, Owen, Shearer, Barry, the pre-Jordan Yorke. Not only great footballers but also great images for the off-field and post-retirement work. He didn't touch the likes of Gascoigne and Collymore.
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Oi! I've still got my copy too. My mate has a chapter named after him.
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Our old P.E. teacher used to play for Martini International.
As you were.....
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It was amazing how Martini threatened to sue them if they didn't change their name, even though they were named after a different Martini.
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Oi! I've still got my copy too. My mate has a chapter named after him.
and me! Derek Statham's on the front cover.
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Oi! I've still got my copy too. My mate has a chapter named after him.
and me! Derek Statham's on the front cover.
There you go. We've cornered the market.
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Probably because they were/are of an age when the League Cup was an irrelevancy, as indeed it largely still is. The fact remains that over a large chunk of football history we've not done particularly well, yet we somehow expect to always be up there challenging.
We may not have always been brilliant, or even very good, but generally speaking we've usually been better than we are now. I don't think many of us really believe we should be up there challenging - certainly not with the staggering ineptitude at the club currently - but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that we should be doing much better than we are.
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Probably because they were/are of an age when the League Cup was an irrelevancy, as indeed it largely still is. The fact remains that over a large chunk of football history we've not done particularly well, yet we somehow expect to always be up there challenging.
We may not have always been brilliant, or even very good, but generally speaking we've usually been better than we are now. I don't think many of us really believe we should be up there challenging - certainly not with the staggering ineptitude at the club currently - but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that we should be doing much better than we are.
I wrote a really boring article about this in the fanzine in the late 90s I think and the conclusion I drew was that for a club of our size each decade we should be looking to have a title challenge, win an FA Cup and a League Cup, probably finish Top 6 most seasons with at least one flirt with relegation and a few good runs in Europe, hopefully with a UEfA Cup win. Whilst the landscape has dramatically altered since then I don't see that some of that isn't still viable as long as whoever takes over has a plan for both on pitch and off pitch and chooses the right people to execute it.
I realise that 15 years on I'm still dreaming!
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Memory thread Alert
I first went to villa park in the mid 60,s with my dad.
First real recollection Everton at Home season relegated to Div 2
Remember empty ground at home with Cummings as manager, Then the Revolution, The Doc, Ellis, full houses, Relegation.
Hope, Division 3 , Villa are winning for the first time in my experience, Wembley, wow we only dreamt about this.
Division two, Ron Mr 110% beating everyone, into Division One, "where the Holte will sing louder than the Kop and we fight for the Villa till we drop "
We win the league.
Ron Leaves.
Rons team wins the European cup.
Some journey from the mid 60,s.
Doug comes back and between then and the sell out to Randy piddling success.
Randy was G.I Joe, him and O,Neil were the new dream team.
Alas we know what happened.
My heart bleeds for the fans who follow the Villa home and away, our support today is as good if not more consistent than it has ever been.
That is why to me we are sitting on that proverbial massive fan base.
There is nothing there like the passion of the Doc and Ron to bring in the fans, yet they come in bigger numbers.
We need some Hope, I think Randy is a genuine guy and that he will sell to someone with the club at heart.
And by the way, I still blame that Victorian travel Agent that paid himself a fortune and invested diddly squat of his own money or anyone else's money in missing out on the potential of the Premier league.
Viva the new hope, Viva!
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But the counter argument is that we've won the league once in a hundred years. And our run of top flight football for over 25 years is the longest run we've had in that time. So we've been reasonably successful
Does it really mean anything - in terms of potential and expectations - that forest won the European cup twice? Does it make them 'bigger' than derby or Leicester in terms of potential. I don't think so.
In premier league era, We're probably of equal status to Everton, who've been better run and done well as a result of late. But also to Newcastle, Leeds, who've both been relegated.
If and when we do go down, it will be a big thing and weird to see villa not in the top flight. But hardly the end of the world that some suggest. These things do happen when big clubs are managed badly.
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It all goes back to what I've said many, many times before. For twelve years after 1990 we had so many situations and unique advantages and we threw them all away. It didn't need a fortune, it needed vision and business acumen. Other clubs were bringing in top-quality marketing people while we relied on an over-promoted Saturday shop boy.
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These things do happen when big clubs are managed badly.
There's no reason why we have to be managed badly. And certainly not this badly.
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It all goes back to what I've said many, many times before. For twelve years after 1990 we had so many situations and unique advantages and we threw them all away. It didn't need a fortune, it needed vision and business acumen. Other clubs were bringing in top-quality marketing people while we relied on an over-promoted Saturday shop boy.
Yep. And we got managers in who weren't great in the transfer market for the most part - certainly not ambitious
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Oi! I've still got my copy too. My mate has a chapter named after him.
Didier Six ?
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Oi! I've still got my copy too. My mate has a chapter named after him.
Didier Six ?
I like that
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Ellis shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our club after the mess he made out of it. I forgot the Abdul Rashid nonsense and it took too long to realise he was totally out of his depth. That Ellis has a stand still named after him is galling and unfortunately it requires himt o pop off this mortal coil before that's likely to change.
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Ellis shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our club after the mess he made out of it. I forgot the Abdul Rashid nonsense and it took too long to realise he was totally out of his depth. That Ellis has a stand still named after him is galling and unfortunately it requires himt o pop off this mortal coil before that's likely to change.
Wasn't there an agreement that Randy wouldn't change the name of the stand, in which case at least the new owners should be able to (not that it's a priority on day one).
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Ellis shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our club after the mess he made out of it. I forgot the Abdul Rashid nonsense and it took too long to realise he was totally out of his depth. That Ellis has a stand still named after him is galling and unfortunately it requires himt o pop off this mortal coil before that's likely to change.
Peter, I'm glad that you unlike others haven't lost sight of this.
Ellis was a pox on our club.
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Ellis shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our club after the mess he made out of it. I forgot the Abdul Rashid nonsense and it took too long to realise he was totally out of his depth. That Ellis has a stand still named after him is galling and unfortunately it requires himt o pop off this mortal coil before that's likely to change.
Wasn't there an agreement that Randy wouldn't change the name of the stand, in which case at least the new owners should be able to (not that it's a priority on day one).
There was no agreement, but it would look incredibly petty.
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It'd look petty whoever is in charge of the club. I don't think we'll ever see a name change unless it's because of sponsorship.
Doesn't particularly bother me anyway.
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I want Dougs name staying on the stand....its something to moan about. I'm of an age where I like having things to moan about.
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On the lunatic scale, Thomas Holte was much worse than Doug.
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Judging by the way our luck is running at the moment, retaining Doug's name on the Witton Lane stand is probably what caused the alleged takeover to fall through.
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Some Villa fans mention or complain that Deadly never put his own money into the club, but was he ever rich enough to put? Even in the 90s he would've had to put millions into the club to keep up with the richest clubs of the country when it came to the spending.
I'm not saying I liked the guy, and him just taking money from Villa was very objectionable, in the least.
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Some Villa fans mention or complain that Deadly never put his own money into the club, but was he ever rich enough to put? Even in the 90s he would've had to put millions into the club to keep up with the richest clubs of the country when it came to the spending.
I'm not saying I liked the guy, and him just taking money from Villa was very objectionable, in the least.
It didn't need money, it needed vision.
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Some Villa fans mention or complain that Deadly never put his own money into the club, but was he ever rich enough to put? Even in the 90s he would've had to put millions into the club to keep up with the richest clubs of the country when it came to the spending.
I'm not saying I liked the guy, and him just taking money from Villa was very objectionable, in the least.
It didn't need money, it needed vision.
So true that, especially during the 90s. Let's hope that the eventual new owners have enough of both to make us contenders again.
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I think given the current situation we're going down.
Surely that wins an award for the most pessimistic we've had?!
Last season hasn't been over a fortnight and already we're down next season?! Seriously.
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I think given the current situation we're going down.
Surely that wins an award for the most pessimistic we've had?!
Last season hasn't been over a fortnight and already we're down next season?! Seriously.
Views like that suggest at all will change between now and next season, which irrespective of how pessimistic you might feel now, surely you cannot believe. You might not be particularly optimistic on the back of recent events, but to say we are are going down 2 weeks after the season has ended is a little dramatic. I would say let's just see how all of this plays out between now and the start of the season before coming to such a definitive conclusion.
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A parable. Somebody sold me some poultry two weeks ago. I was told they were hens and would lay me some eggs. They have not laid any yet. Perhaps they will lay some next week. Or the week after that. All I know is that as every week goes by without any eggs the odds that they are not hens increases and that the odds that they will never lay any increases. Same with selling the club. The fact that we know of no buyer or of any negotiations does not mean that there is none, it simply means that the longer it goes on the more likely it is to become that it will either not happen or will not happen satisfactorily. The first two or three weeks after we were formally put on sale were the most likely to yield news of a buyer. Two or three weeks in August are much less likely to. You are not looking at a predictable timescale. The commonest comparison is when you sell your house. If you have not had any interest when it is new to the market you are not likely to get any when everybody knows about it. My money is on us still being for sale and Paul Lambert in charge at the start of next season.
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I think given the current situation we're going down.
Surely that wins an award for the most pessimistic we've had?!
Last season hasn't been over a fortnight and already we're down next season?! Seriously.
Views like that suggest at all will change between now and next season, which irrespective of how pessimistic you might feel now, surely you cannot believe. You might not be particularly optimistic on the back of recent events, but to say we are are going down 2 weeks after the season has ended is a little dramatic. I would say let's just see how all of this plays out between now and the start of the season before coming to such a definitive conclusion.
I wouldn't say we are going to go down this season, but what I do think is likely is that, if we are not sold, and if the spending policy of the last couple of years goes on - let alone it tightening up, which may be the case now we're for sale - then at some point in the next two or three years, we'll get relegated.
We've been 16th, 15th, 15th the last three years. In really simple betting terms, if you looked at a club which had finished in those places the last three years, you would not be taking a gigantic punt if you betted on them finishing 18th or lower. We've flirted with it so closely. Then the performances have been poor. We've focused on cheap wage players, we look like a bunch of kids, we struggle to win games, we lost over half of our matches this season.
Does it mean we're going down next year? Not necessarily, but I honestly think it is inevitable unless there is a change of ownership at the very least, and preferably a change of spending policy.
I am also more concerned now than last year that there's an air or rudderlessness about us - manager nobody wants any more, who doesn't know how long he'll be in the job, owner who has said he wants out, and is controlling the money tightly, plus some really fucked up off the field stuff (regardless of the reasons, the Culverhouse Karsa situation is just bizarre).
We've got the fucked up finances and poor squad of a relegation team, we are now acquiring the off the field circus that usually signifies that sort of team. Like Newcastle in their relegation year.
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A parable. Somebody sold me some poultry two weeks ago. I was told they were hens and would lay me some eggs. They have not laid any yet. Perhaps they will lay some next week. Or the week after that. All I know is that as every week goes by without any eggs the odds that they are not hens increases and that the odds that they will never lay any increases. Same with selling the club. The fact that we know of no buyer or of any negotiations does not mean that there is none, it simply means that the longer it goes on the more likely it is to become that it will either not happen or will not happen satisfactorily. The first two or three weeks after we were formally put on sale were the most likely to yield news of a buyer. Two or three weeks in August are much less likely to. You are not looking at a predictable timescale. The commonest comparison is when you sell your house. If you have not had any interest when it is new to the market you are not likely to get any when everybody knows about it. My money is on us still being for sale and Paul Lambert in charge at the start of next season.
eggs aside, we were for sale all summer before Lerner bought us in August 2006. MON joined us just before that. It's still May. Buying a house and buying a multi-million pound business where you then have to invest about as much as you initially paid to maintain it are a world apart.
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I think given the current situation we're going down.
Surely that wins an award for the most pessimistic we've had?!
Last season hasn't been over a fortnight and already we're down next season?! Seriously.
Views like that suggest at all will change between now and next season, which irrespective of how pessimistic you might feel now, surely you cannot believe. You might not be particularly optimistic on the back of recent events, but to say we are are going down 2 weeks after the season has ended is a little dramatic. I would say let's just see how all of this plays out between now and the start of the season before coming to such a definitive conclusion.
I wouldn't say we are going to go down this season, but what I do think is likely is that, if we are not sold, and if the spending policy of the last couple of years goes on - let alone it tightening up, which may be the case now we're for sale - then at some point in the next two or three years, we'll get relegated.
We've been 16th, 15th, 15th the last three years. In really simple betting terms, if you looked at a club which had finished in those places the last three years, you would not be taking a gigantic punt if you betted on them finishing 18th or lower. We've flirted with it so closely. Then the performances have been poor. We've focused on cheap wage players, we look like a bunch of kids, we struggle to win games, we lost over half of our matches this season.
Does it mean we're going down next year? Not necessarily, but I honestly think it is inevitable unless there is a change of ownership at the very least, and preferably a change of spending policy.
I am also more concerned now than last year that there's an air or rudderlessness about us - manager nobody wants any more, who doesn't know how long he'll be in the job, owner who has said he wants out, and is controlling the money tightly, plus some really fucked up off the field stuff (regardless of the reasons, the Culverhouse Karsa situation is just bizarre).
We've got the fucked up finances and poor squad of a relegation team, we are now acquiring the off the field circus that usually signifies that sort of team. Like Newcastle in their relegation year.
My point being I'll be just as concerned as Soccer if he is writing the same thing in late July or August after we have had a summer of doing nothing at all in the transfer market and the club has not been sold. It is far, far too early in my view to have that opinion now.
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A parable. Somebody sold me some poultry two weeks ago. I was told they were hens and would lay me some eggs. They have not laid any yet. Perhaps they will lay some next week. Or the week after that. All I know is that as every week goes by without any eggs the odds that they are not hens increases and that the odds that they will never lay any increases. Same with selling the club. The fact that we know of no buyer or of any negotiations does not mean that there is none, it simply means that the longer it goes on the more likely it is to become that it will either not happen or will not happen satisfactorily. The first two or three weeks after we were formally put on sale were the most likely to yield news of a buyer. Two or three weeks in August are much less likely to. You are not looking at a predictable timescale. The commonest comparison is when you sell your house. If you have not had any interest when it is new to the market you are not likely to get any when everybody knows about it. My money is on us still being for sale and Paul Lambert in charge at the start of next season.
I think it's already obvious lambert will be in charge come game 1 of 14/15 season. Even if a buyer made an offer tomorrow, the due diligence and transaction is still likely to take at least 3 months.
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I think if we have not sold by the middle of August we are down too. The current squad are at best 12-16th with all fit and playing well. We will be missing our best 2 centre forwards at the start of the season, so goals are not going to come easy, and we conceded 3 or 4 in what - 5-6 of the last 8 games or something ridiculous. Vlaar will have a world cup behind him so is liable to break down at some point too if we are honest which would exasperate that situation. Nothing particularly positive gives me much hope for next season.
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I still think we will stay up, even if things stay the same
I'm not trying to be overly optimistic and think everything is honky dory, I think we are in a bad way at the moment, but still reckon we will be good enough to stay up
especially as we will start the season stronger than we finished it just because some of our injured players will be back, obviously if we sell a load of good ones then my prediction might change
but like I said if things stay much the same in every department I think we will make a decent fist of staying up, but it will be horrible, just like last season
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A lot will depend on whether Lerner allows income to be spent or whether he wants to claw back some of the money he has invested out of future income.
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I may be wrong but I think our best average was when we were in the third division!
Sell outs at Villa Park have only rarely happened.
You are wrong. Our best average for fifty years was a few years ago under MON. Over 40,000 in a 42,000-capacity stadium. Sell-outs were not rare then, obviously.
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I think the comparison between an individual entering into 25 years or more of personal debt to put a roof over his family's head and a corporation investing in a long term sports business venture are not dissimilar. Me spending twice the amount of the state retirement pension per week to watch and follow Villa is no less a sacrifice than the owner committing a small fraction of his wealth to the club. It us only a question of scale and the owner has the chance of recouping his outlay but I don't. That is an aside. What really worries me is that the vacuum created at Villa is being filled by Any Other Business. Top of the agenda of post hand washing by the owner is Lambert taking centre stage to re morph himself from his true identity as McLeish Mk II (incompetent bungler and owners poodle) into O'Neill Mk II (good progressive young manager thwarted by tight fisted absentee owner). The only uncertain part us whether Lambert can get enough media mates in board in time to get the Celtic job. Probably not, so the vacuum will continue to be filled by trivialities about whether Gabby gets a contract extension and our next shirt sponsor. The orchestra on the Titanic will continue to play.
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Ah jaysus that's massive BG, and the tears are welling up in me rheumy orbs.
Let's have a few pints of plain porter and raise a glass to dismal damned, and the bootless and unhorsed in steerage.
Fuck me in both ears! Yosser Hughes escaped from the Back Stuff onto the Titanic, the surly scouse wassock.
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Didn't vote, although the poll options were very amusing ;D
Seems like this thread could be merged with about four others at least!
Get a life people! God knows what you will be like if we get to August still in this position.
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Why was Mark Albrighton let go, after being one of the best of a mediocre bunch at the end of last season, also Jordan Bowery, young player still learning the ropes but now gone elsewhere. On the opposite side of
things Phillip Senderos and Joe Cole, again we appear to be picking up other teams not wanted players, this with no insult meant to either player but age is not on their side. O K perhaps things are up in the air as far as big money signings but please losing the upcoming youngsters and getting cast odds not really going to help move us up the table is it.
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I rated Albrighton, too, but if Leicester were willing to pay him 35k a week, then we did the right thing in not matching it. He's not worth anything like that much.
Bowery didn't really do much in the chances he got, and to be honest, how many more chances was he going to get? The only reason he got a chance this season was because Kozak and Benteke were both out. That's not likely to be the case again.
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Dear Mr Upset, congratulations on your first post.
I can't answer your question though.
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I smell a 'Nose'
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I smell a 'Nose'
Either that or you've left your football boots under your desk.
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Why was Mark Albrighton let go, after being one of the best of a mediocre bunch at the end of last season, also Jordan Bowery, young player still learning the ropes but now gone elsewhere. On the opposite side of
things Phillip Senderos and Joe Cole, again we appear to be picking up other teams not wanted players, this with no insult meant to either player but age is not on their side. O K perhaps things are up in the air as far as big money signings but please losing the upcoming youngsters and getting cast odds not really going to help move us up the table is it.
I warrant OUR Joe is a better footballer even allowing for age then Mark cross the ball, take into consideration salary, Villa are on a winner.
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I smell a 'Nose'
Me too. You can tell by the poor grammar. It's always a dead giveaway.
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Strictly speaking, i think the rules say something about not accusing people of being noses.
FWIW, I think you're all being a bit harsh anyway, it seems a valid enough point.
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Strictly speaking, i think the rules say something about not accusing people of being noses.
FWIW, I think you're all being a bit harsh anyway, it seems a valid enough point.
With a more than odd user name for a first ever post. Nose I tells ya.
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Do you think we have any scouts in Brazil or Lambert himself? It would be nice to know we are still looking at players* while the club is in limbo from an owner perspective.
*I mean players that are not on a free in the autumn of their careers...
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Do you think we have any scouts in Brazil or Lambert himself? It would be nice to know we are still looking at players* while the club is in limbo from an owner perspective.
*I mean players that are not on a free in the autumn of their careers...
Mondragon of Colombia is supposed to be good (42 year old Colombian keeper)
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Do you think we have any scouts in Brazil or Lambert himself? It would be nice to know we are still looking at players* while the club is in limbo from an owner perspective.
*I mean players that are not on a free in the autumn of their careers...
Mondragon of Colombia is supposed to be good (42 year old Colombian keeper)
Did you know that Mondragon is French for 'My Dragon'?
Thought not.
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Do you think we have any scouts in Brazil or Lambert himself? It would be nice to know we are still looking at players* while the club is in limbo from an owner perspective.
*I mean players that are not on a free in the autumn of their careers...
Mondragon of Colombia is supposed to be good (42 year old Colombian keeper)
Did you know that Mondragon is French for 'My Dragon'?
Thought not.
With dragon in his name i'm gobsmacked.
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Do you think we have any scouts in Brazil or Lambert himself? It would be nice to know we are still looking at players* while the club is in limbo from an owner perspective.
*I mean players that are not on a free in the autumn of their careers...
Mondragon of Colombia is supposed to be good (42 year old Colombian keeper)
Surely Mogadon would be more appropriate.
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Did you know Mondragon is Esperanto for "our ex manager dresses in his wife's clothes"? I thought not.
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Did you know that 'mon-drag-on' is French-Guyana for "I'm an ex-smoker but occasionally have a toke on someone else's ciggy"?
Thought not.
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I'm worried about what we are going to do after the World Cup
Last seasons shitness occupied us right up till the last game
Then we had mega entertainment from TBAR
Then the World Cup started, and finishes in 3 weeks
Then what till the season starts again ?
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Tour de France. Cheer on that big fat bastard Chris Froome.
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Am in the middle just because I like to take things as they come, and also because things are uncertain its hard to predict either way. If things go on like they have the last few seasons then I think the futures bleak, but then with new investment/etc.. things might change.
Besides am just enjoying the World Cup right now 8)
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He's upset enough
Why was Mark Albrighton let go, after being one of the best of a mediocre bunch at the end of last season, also Jordan Bowery, young player still learning the ropes but now gone elsewhere. On the opposite side of
things Phillip Senderos and Joe Cole, again we appear to be picking up other teams not wanted players, this with no insult meant to either player but age is not on their side. O K perhaps things are up in the air as far as big money signings but please losing the upcoming youngsters and getting cast odds not really going to help move us up the table is it.
he's upset enough without calling him a nose!
In all seriousness Albrighton nor Bowery were not worth keeping, Bowery especially
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Neither are most of the others but they are still there.
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Neither are most of the others but they are still there.
Exactly, its not as though Allbrighton was massively below the squad standard. Tonev is still on the books.
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Albrighton was one of the very few players I like.
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Neither are most of the others but they are still there.
Exactly, its not as though Allbrighton was massively below the squad standard. Tonev is still on the books.
the difference is that Albrighton has had how many years to look the part and hasn't whereas Tonev has had one year in a totally new league and, as has been seen many times before, foreigners coming here have often struggled in their first season. Having said that, I don't hold out that much hope for Tonev but worth giving another season too just in case
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Albrighton was one of the very few players I like.
Same here, I always thought that with him on the pitch there was a chance that he would do something. Only Benteke has given me that feeling recently.
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Credit where it is due, they've started to show they're getting their marketing mojo back, this is a pretty good campain. I think it also looks pretty cool graphically. Yes, yes, shame about the kits etc etc, but at the very base level, these ads will be annoying every single nose who sees them.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqVbo7hIcAAtGE-.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqVbU5kIYAAwhDz.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqVa2lwIUAAxNWy.jpg)
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Neither are most of the others but they are still there.
Exactly, its not as though Allbrighton was massively below the squad standard. Tonev is still on the books.
Albrighton was at the end of his contract and not worth a pay rise to keep him.
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Neither are most of the others but they are still there.
Exactly, its not as though Allbrighton was massively below the squad standard. Tonev is still on the books.
Albrighton was at the end of his contract and not worth a pay rise to keep him.
That's the thing I think gets overlooked a bit re Albrighton.
Yes, he was already here, but he was also out of contract, and as such he's in a good position to achieve higher wages than you might expect. It wasn't a zero cost option to keep him on, and it wasn't even a simple case of "he won't cost a transfer fee, it'd cost more to buy someone else and pay them lower wages" either.
The problem with that is that you end up with a player who is on a very decent whack, and that has an impact on your overall wages structure - ie the next time we discuss a new contract with a mid level player, he's either going to say "Albrighton is on £35k, my agent says I am worth as much as him" or "I've seen what Albrighton got by seeing out his contract, I'll do the same".
I totally understand the arguments in favour of him, he was a decent player with a good attitude, but it's a bit misleading to talk about him already being here and requiring no fee whilst ignoring the flip side of that.
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Credit where it is due, they've started to show they're getting their marketing mojo back, this is a pretty good campain. I think it also looks pretty cool graphically. Yes, yes, shame about the kits etc etc, but at the very base level, these ads will be annoying every single nose who sees them.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqVbo7hIcAAtGE-.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqVbU5kIYAAwhDz.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqVa2lwIUAAxNWy.jpg)
That's disappointing - on first look I thought the slogan was "SHUT up Birmingham"
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That's disappointing - on first look I thought the slogan was "SHUT up Birmingham"
Same here. Am I being incredibly stupid in not getting the 'Suit Up Birmingham' slogan? What does it mean?
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Neither are most of the others but they are still there.
Exactly, its not as though Allbrighton was massively below the squad standard. Tonev is still on the books.
the difference is that Albrighton has had how many years to look the part and hasn't whereas Tonev has had one year in a totally new league and, as has been seen many times before, foreigners coming here have often struggled in their first season. Having said that, I don't hold out that much hope for Tonev but worth giving another season too just in case
I wasn't a fan of Albrighton, and as said above theres still a lot that shouldn't don the claret and blue, but thanks to some inept management we are where we are. PL is showing signs of addressing our problem with his latest two signing, we are not going to be in for multi million pound deals, so I am encouraged. Cole or Abrighton its a no brainer
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Credit where it is due, they've started to show they're getting their marketing mojo back, this is a pretty good campain. I think it also looks pretty cool graphically. Yes, yes, shame about the kits etc etc, but at the very base level, these ads will be annoying every single nose who sees them.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqVbo7hIcAAtGE-.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqVbU5kIYAAwhDz.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqVa2lwIUAAxNWy.jpg)
Like it, I think the new kit is at it.
and agreed it does show we are showing we are Premiership.
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That's disappointing - on first look I thought the slogan was "SHUT up Birmingham"
Same here. Am I being incredibly stupid in not getting the 'Suit Up Birmingham' slogan? What does it mean?
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Is it time to bring this thread back? I think so I've not been this worried since last season
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Nice to see the comfort blanket is back. After we conceded the first goal tonight I thought that's game over. I'm worried that we will never score another goal.
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Nice to see the comfort blanket is back. After we conceded the first goal tonight I thought that's game over. I'm worried that we will never score another goal.
Lambert isn't. Theres goals in this side apparently.
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I feel like burning my 'proud history bright future' scarf. Or did Randy mean bright future when he fucks off?
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Worried is a bit of an understatement at the moment.
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When Lerner extended Lambert's contract I knew we were doomed for the drop but didn't know it was going to be this season.
Now all is revealed.
I'm beyond worried.
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Its psychological torture. The things that have happened since O'Neill left have been incredible. Complete madness and I must admit it bloody gets to me.
Bugger off Lerner.
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Monday I didn't keep track of the game, just checked the match report afterwards to be honest, expected a loss to 0 and that's what we got. I don't think we are particulary inconsistent either, what is it? Worst home league record in Europe over the last 3 years, least points picked up over the last 3 years combined etc. We are consistently shit and the Chairman rewards his clueless lieutenant with a bumper 4 year pay day.
It doesn't even beggar belief anymore, I expect us to play badly and I expect us to make appalling decisions top to bottom.
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The most frustrating thing about all this is that no matter how much we moan and protest there's a feeling like nobody's taking any notice of us. We have a chairman who is thousands of miles away out of sight and mind to the fans of the club, and a CEO who talks like a politician and never answers any direct questions from fans. Years back we at least got the impression there were people at the club who actually listened to the fans concerns and took them on board to some extent. Now it's like we're just banging our heads on a brick wall. Perhaps that's why there's been so much apathy from the fans over the last few years. We've put up with so much shit when in years past we'd be protesting till we were blue in the face.
We need to start voicing our concerns at Villa Park and not just sit there and accept the shit Lerner throws at us.
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I'm not worried. There are far more important things to worry about.
I am pissed off though, if only because football is slowly but surely eating itself and I don't love it any more. Except when I drag my 43 year old body out to play 5-a-side on a Monday night and relive those magical moments from my youth when I didn't have the turning circle of an aircraft carrier. Though I do worry I may have a heart attack.
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The most frustrating thing about all this is that no matter how much we moan and protest there's a feeling like nobody's taking any notice of us. We have a chairman who is thousands of miles away out of sight and mind to the fans of the club, and a CEO who talks like a politician and never answers any direct questions from fans. Years back we at least got the impression there were people at the club who actually listened to the fans concerns and took them on board to some extent. Now it's like we're just banging our heads on a brick wall. Perhaps that's why there's been so much apathy from the fans over the last few years. We've put up with so much shit when in years past we'd be protesting till we were blue in the face.
We need to start voicing our concerns at Villa Park and not just sit there and accept the shit Lerner throws at us.
That's modern football. The finance and increasingly the personnel are from abroad so the mood of the supporters is irrelevant. Take Manchester United - their protest numbers and resources are unmatched anywhere but it's not done them a scrap of good.
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But where are the protests? Its been quiet around the ground and we've never put Lambert or Lerner under pressure from the terraces. If we turned then ante up then there would have to be a reaction. the press would be all over it and we're only newsworthy at the moment for negative reasons so a good crowd/manager spat is just what Sky would love. I think Lerner would listen. I genuinely don't think he realises the genuine groundswell of opinion growing against Lambert. We haven't got started yet, nowhere near it, but when the boos get started at home then I think it will break teh apathy that has set in. I think Lambert has until we go 1 down against tottenham.
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A song for Sunday:
Our football is shite,
Our football is shite,
We're Aston Villa,
Our football is shite.
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But where are the protests? Its been quiet around the ground and we've never put Lambert or Lerner under pressure from the terraces. If we turned then ante up then there would have to be a reaction. the press would be all over it and we're only newsworthy at the moment for negative reasons so a good crowd/manager spat is just what Sky would love. I think Lerner would listen. I genuinely don't think he realises the genuine groundswell of opinion growing against Lambert. We haven't got started yet, nowhere near it, but when the boos get started at home then I think it will break teh apathy that has set in. I think Lambert has until we go 1 down against tottenham.
This in a nutshell. The apathy at Villa Park is astounding considering what we've had to witness over the last few years, and even if nothing could be ultimately achieved by protesting, at least we could hold our heads up high knowing we've told the footballing world how much we hate what's happened to our club over these last horrible 5 years.
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But where are the protests? Its been quiet around the ground and we've never put Lambert or Lerner under pressure from the terraces. If we turned then ante up then there would have to be a reaction. the press would be all over it and we're only newsworthy at the moment for negative reasons so a good crowd/manager spat is just what Sky would love. I think Lerner would listen. I genuinely don't think he realises the genuine groundswell of opinion growing against Lambert. We haven't got started yet, nowhere near it, but when the boos get started at home then I think it will break teh apathy that has set in. I think Lambert has until we go 1 down against tottenham.
This in a nutshell. The apathy at Villa Park is astounding considering what we've had to witness over the last few years, and even if nothing could be ultimately achieved by protesting, at least we could hold our heads up high knowing we've told the footballing world how much we hate what's happened to our club over these last horrible 5 years.
One would like to think that Mr. Fox would notice the dwindling crowds and be able to put two and two together. Lambert shit management of the club is causing this!! I am hugely surprised that Lambert has had it so easy from the fans.
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It's probably a generational thing. 8 years ago before Lerner took over some might remember my impassioned letters to doug. He answered them all. Then I was trying to get fans to join me to get a meeting with him and then the players revolt against O'Leary happened. I honestly couldn't be arsed to do that sort of thing these days probably because I feel no matter who we have managing us I don't feel we are in a position to be a major competitive force anymore.
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But where are the protests? Its been quiet around the ground and we've never put Lambert or Lerner under pressure from the terraces. If we turned then ante up then there would have to be a reaction. the press would be all over it and we're only newsworthy at the moment for negative reasons so a good crowd/manager spat is just what Sky would love. I think Lerner would listen. I genuinely don't think he realises the genuine groundswell of opinion growing against Lambert. We haven't got started yet, nowhere near it, but when the boos get started at home then I think it will break teh apathy that has set in. I think Lambert has until we go 1 down against tottenham.
This in a nutshell. The apathy at Villa Park is astounding considering what we've had to witness over the last few years, and even if nothing could be ultimately achieved by protesting, at least we could hold our heads up high knowing we've told the footballing world how much we hate what's happened to our club over these last horrible 5 years.
One would like to think that Mr. Fox would notice the dwindling crowds and be able to put two and two together. Lambert shit management of the club is causing this!! I am hugely surprised that Lambert has had it so easy from the fans.
He's had it easy because of the Mcleish factor I think (including what happened with the fans during Mcleish's last game against Lambert's Norwich). But this will be the season his easy ride ends.
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I don't think we are particulary inconsistent either, what is it? Worst home league record in Europe over the last 3 years, least points picked up over the last 3 years combined etc.
I'm not going to defend anyone at the club at the moment and I'm as worried as the next guy but the above is a bit misleading isn't it? The Blues haven't won a home game since 1983 or something.
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1893
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1893BC.
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I honestly couldn't be arsed to do that sort of thing these days probably because I feel no matter who we have managing us I don't feel we are in a position to be a major competitive force anymore.
Nail on head for me.
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Back in the bottom 3 thought I'd bring this old favourite back. It's also a spot Silhillvilla can call home even after we've turned things around.
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Hello darkness my old friend...
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We should do something special for the 10 year anniversary of this thread in 3 weeks time!!!
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Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.
Predictable.
21 pages at least.
390 pages and nearly ten years later.......
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Ugh. Not this thread again!
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Fuck things must be bad
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Back in the bottom 3 thought I'd bring this old favourite back. It's also a spot Silhillvilla can call home even after we've turned things around.
We're going to turn things around?
Will any of us still be here by then?
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It returns this time every year like the swallows to Capistrano
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So its not all Randy's doings, Doug bled us for years but I forgot about him.
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# Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree...
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I have fond memories of this thread so I only popped in to say hello to it.
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from givemefootball.com
Aston Villa fans´ groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later.
Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday´s annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential investors will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.
VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
It'll be this threads 10 year anniversary in a few weeks.
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I'm glad we still have this thread.
In years of grimness, it is like a lovely reassuring comfort blanket.
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Well at least it looks like it got Disco posting again, so it's not all bad.
Risso, how could you?
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I'm glad we still have this thread.
In years of grimness, it is like a lovely reassuring comfort blanket.
It's why I brought it back to life. The blanket is chewed at ends, covered in snot and tears from the anguish. Yet remarkably warm enough to protect us all through the harsh winter yet to come. In times of need the thread brings the weary together.
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I have fond memories of this thread so I only popped in to say hello to it.
Yes happy days pete but back then we were both young and reckless well you were anyway i was always old.
By the way did i mention that i am worried?
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I have fond memories of this thread so I only popped in to say hello to it.
Yes happy days pete but back then we were both young and reckless well you were anyway i was always old.
By the way did i mention that i am worried?
Ah, posting by the three of us. I remember those dark days when everyone else was asleep and we were posting in here. Seems like a lifetime ago now, but the worry is always close to mind.
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Well at least it looks like it got Disco posting again, so it's not all bad.
Risso, how could you?
Fuck me, I must have been doing some serious drugs 10 years ago. Just how long exactly have we all been wasting chunks of our day posting on here. I honestly can't remember life without it.
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Well at least it looks like it got Disco posting again, so it's not all bad.
Risso, how could you?
Fuck me, I must have been doing some serious drugs 10 years ago. Just how long exactly have we all been wasting chunks of our day posting on here. I honestly can't remember life without it.
Life wasn't worth remembering before it.
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Well at least it looks like it got Disco posting again, so it's not all bad.
Risso, how could you?
Fuck me, I must have been doing some serious drugs 10 years ago. Just how long exactly have we all been wasting chunks of our day posting on here. I honestly can't remember life without it.
It's like trying to remember what life was like before you had kids. I can't for the life of me think what I did with all that spare time.
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Perhaps this could be merged with any future 'Are you having or have you had a mid life crisis?' threads?
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It's so good to see this legendary old thread! We've had it grim for too long.
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Fuck things must be bad
Deja poo.
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Crap 10 years.... what a waste!
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I have fond memories of this thread so I only popped in to say hello to it.
Yes happy days pete but back then we were both young and reckless well you were anyway i was always old.
By the way did i mention that i am worried?
Ah, posting by the three of us. I remember those dark days when everyone else was asleep and we were posting in here. Seems like a lifetime ago now, but the worry is always close to mind.
*Group hug*
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U OK hun? Xxx
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This is not a criticism of the forum at all, but I'm pretty sure we could condense the forum down to about a tenth of the threads we've got:
- Muppet donations
- Fans worried over Villa future
- (Current Manager): Time to give him the chop?
- Is this the season...?
- (Most Successful player) SIGNED FOR ('BIG CLUB')
- Predictions
- Match thread.
I'm pretty sure this would be the most 'successful' thread. That's what years of chronic shitness do.
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Anyone?
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Hello Fans Worried Over Villa Future thread my old friend...
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I think I'm more resigned than worried now. Worried implies there is some chance that the worst might not occur, but with Lerner in charge we are going down the plug hole.
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hello darkness my old friend...
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My brother text me last night to say that Villa were going down like the Titanic.
I replied that at least the Titanic went down with some style
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My brother text me last night to say that Villa were going down like the Titanic.
I replied that at least the Titanic went down with some style
.....with the brass band playing F*** Off West Brom
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well actually 'nearer my shummanite to thee'
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Aston Villa have always conducted themselves with the utmost class. Even our latest relegation can be described as...Spectacular!
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I've had a really bad last couple of months, this is just the cherry on top. The one thing that has been my pleasant distraction for nearly two decades is now just a catalyst for further depression.
It breaks my heart. :-\
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Oh my god. If this thread is back, Worrying times ahead
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Thought I'd bring back and old friend. Because I'm genuinely worried that we might wake up in August and realise we will be kicking off as a League 1 club.
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I was only thinking about this thread the other day - maybe change ''worried'' to ''terrified'' or just ''dejected''.
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I'm more than half expectingto be in Div 3 come August, in which case I'm expecting St's to be a lot lower than they currently are.
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Where is JD and Peter W? it is years since we pontificated over the disaster Villa was facing in the hours when only us foreigners were awake, and here we are again who would have thunk it. Same shit different division. Sack all the management and elect three selectors from H&V and you watch the results, we couldn't do any worse.
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Not far behind you Robbo. Its like getting a comfort blanket back, but things are bad that this is the only topic that I want to post on.
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Can we rename this thread 'It's February again, time to start panicking!'
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My main issue at the moment is I feel we're slipping further and further from the club I fell in love with. Now that isn't all to do with league position. We just don't feel like Aston Villa any more. I remember as a kid watching that old history of Aston Villa video that the BBC produced and I couldn't be prouder to call us my club. Now we just seem to be 11 men running around in a purple and blue kit. Even the remaining fans (myself included) who goto Villa Park every other week seem to have (understandably) given up. I feel we need to find our identity again although I fear we're too far gone.
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We're like monkeys on juice.
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I cant and wont turn my back on 'em.
If we drop into League 1/Division 3 I'll still be there
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Hello darkness (and JD/Robbo) my old friend...
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I think we'll scrape staying in this League. Get Green and RHM to start games.
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I would never turn my back on club I will be there through thick and thin whatever division we are in personally I think we will stay up and Bruce will sort us out it's bad at the moment but it will get better.
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I'm not going to turn my back on Villa either, but the last 8 years have been largely fucking pathetic and embarrassing. Bruce needs to demonstrate very quickly that he can positively impact a game. As soon as we concede it is game over and it is not acceptable.
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Whilst there will inevitably be those that will turn their back on the Villa, the bigger worry for me is, the next generation who will see other options to vest their interests in. I could never imagine my life without the Villa in it but, when you've never had it, well...
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That's just it. I never once considered tht my eldest child would be anything other than a Villa fan thanks to my love for them, his for me, and a good team to follow. Since he was born we've lived in London for about 3 and half years, Nigeria for 3 years, and turkey for just under a year. I'm the only Villa fan he knows (apart from family) and all his friends from overseas and back in London support the usual suspects. he's been to quite a few games and generally enjoys them. His favourite players were Gabby, Guzan and Westwood.
bit by bit as our dignity has been stripped away its been harder and harder for me to keep his Villa affinity going. He wants to support a team that at the very least doesn't lose every week. Not so long ago at bed time he said, "Dad, you know sons don't always have to support the same team as their dads". I could only agree and walk away.
When I was born we were in the 3rd but have no memory of that and we were back in the top flight when I have conscious memory of being a Villa fan (76-77). One year out of the top flight in 40 years. Now this. Losing every week in a shit division and a son who wants to support someone else because he doesn't like that he can't be proud of 'his'team. He's not from Birmingham so has no reason to support them other than me. All I ask is for Villa to give him something. Anything. But no. Every fucking week.
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Heartfelt Peter. Very well said. My grandchildren are scattered far and wide. Keeping them on the Holte is going to be tough.
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I agree Brian. I've got five grandsons, two who now live in Shropshire and three over here. The two youngest have no interest whatsoever as they're too young but, the two at home and the eldest here have been indoctrinated by me to the best of my ability. At Christmas, the eldest in England wanted a Real Madrid shirt from us, as did the eldest over here, they have Villa shirts that I have bought for them and Villa merchandise. I refused both, telling their parents that whilst I draw breath I will never, ever but them anything that supports any other club than the Villa.. My seven-year-old is, as we speak, Villa mad, thanks to his mother as well as me, and as we have the three boys staying with us for the week I'm regaling him with stories of past triumph's and he's loving it. First thing he asked me this morning when he got up? How did Villa get on last night. Again, I had to tell him we lost. How much longer before he decides he's a Manure fan? I couldn't take it.
A fortnight ago, my son-in-law was in Barcelona for a couple of days with work and brought back two Real Madrid and a Barcelona shirts for the three boys. What chance do I have? If the Villa were winning a few now and then there would be some chance, but Christ, it's a struggle, and do you know something? There are moments when I think Villa don't deserve it because we, as supporters don't deserve what we are currently being fed.
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I also feel your pain Peter
my eldest lad is 28 so he's ok, but my youngest is only 9 and is struggling with us being absolutely shit every single week, I have the advantage of taking him to a few games which sometimes doesn't help but it engrains them a bit
he asked about supporting another team and I said ok but the only options I gave him were
Mansfield Town
Athletic Bilbao
or at a pinch Port Vale
(I have my reasons for the all of the above)
so he's sticking with us for now
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....and what's wrong with Mansfield Town ?
I will be writing a dissertation on this subject once the season is over and I can breathe easily again !
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I cant and wont turn my back on 'em.
If we drop into League 1/Division 3 I'll still be there
I was there last time, but I wonder if I'd have the same level of enthusiastic belief if it comes around again. I hope I still have enough faith. I am sure I do. There that's that put to bed then.
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It requires a certain amount of guile. My two sons and my daughter are Villa, unbending, unyielding. My oldest grandson is 16 and a staunch Holte Ender. The two younger boys get literature and music big time but they think having a family of Villa nuts rather baffling. My only granddaughter is two and a half, kicks with both feet, runs like Adama Traore and is a nailed on lifelong Villa fan. The latest addition born last Wednesday was in his Villa suit before he was two days old. We have to work on them. They are worth it.
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My Libby no longer wants to come and watch the Villa with me.
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....and what's wrong with Mansfield Town ?
I will be writing a dissertation on this subject once the season is over and I can breathe easily again !
nothing they would be my second team if I had one
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I think we'll scrape staying in this League. Get Green and RHM to start games.
I must say I do not think the current crop of " kids " is good enough to rely on to get us out of this. Plus it would be unfair on them. I say give 'em a go only when we are safe and sound. Then it's their turn to show what they can do when the pressure's off. They are not, Walters, Little, Deehan, Cowans, Daley, etc, etc.
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....and what's wrong with Mansfield Town ?
I will be writing a dissertation on this subject once the season is over and I can breathe easily again !
nothing they would be my second team if I had one
It is allowed, isn't it? Please let me know if not. Having lived in so many places far away from VP I have accumulated a few " second Teams " and if I have to let them go, I will gladly do so to preserve the Villa.
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I've almost lost all interest. I can't get to games, I can hardly watch any games online (dodgy streams or not), I feel no connection to the players, the manager or the owner and the worst thing is that by all accounts, I'm missing nothing. Even the nasty purple which used to be claret is alienating, at this stage.
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Keep the faith. German.....UTV
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First Villa game I saw this season was against Cambridge United. Okay, a lower league side but the week before they had dominated a 1-1 game with the team that beat us at Villa Park last week - Ipswich Town.
We won the game at a canter 3-0 without breaking sweat. Our front three that day was Grealish, RHM and Green. They were a joy to watch. All three of them if they don't do it with us will make it in the Premiership.
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That's just it. I never once considered tht my eldest child would be anything other than a Villa fan thanks to my love for them, his for me, and a good team to follow. Since he was born we've lived in London for about 3 and half years, Nigeria for 3 years, and turkey for just under a year. I'm the only Villa fan he knows (apart from family) and all his friends from overseas and back in London support the usual suspects. he's been to quite a few games and generally enjoys them. His favourite players were Gabby, Guzan and Westwood.
bit by bit as our dignity has been stripped away its been harder and harder for me to keep his Villa affinity going. He wants to support a team that at the very least doesn't lose every week. Not so long ago at bed time he said, "Dad, you know sons don't always have to support the same team as their dads". I could only agree and walk away.
When I was born we were in the 3rd but have no memory of that and we were back in the top flight when I have conscious memory of being a Villa fan (76-77). One year out of the top flight in 40 years. Now this. Losing every week in a shit division and a son who wants to support someone else because he doesn't like that he can't be proud of 'his'team. He's not from Birmingham so has no reason to support them other than me. All I ask is for Villa to give him something. Anything. But no. Every fucking week.
Pete my friend, I feel the pain you're feeling.
Both of my Sons were born in London and have grown up in New Zealand. They both played football and said they supported Villa but neither has seen them live, or even really care anymore. All they need to do to know everything about villa is look at the pain I show on my face wen they come round for tea every Sunday. I just wish I could have a team that made me proud (historically they do and and I love Villa) do that I could spend every Sunday boasting about how great Villa were (instead of avoiding talking about them).
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I think I could sacrifice my daughters love for Villa for a life in New Zealand.
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a love she doesn't have by the way
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My son gets in a real bad mood when Villa lose. He's a Villan alright, and a grumpy sod.
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I booked my Rotherham ticket a few weeks back as I thought it would be a one-off chance to see us at a new ground (number 24 for me). Now I'm worried we'll be there every bloody season.
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I have blipps when I couldn't care less about football and the villa usually straight after another defeat and that lasts for a couple of hours. My kids - my son just laughs at me he used to go the match but is big into golf. My daughter loves the villa but hates cold weather and would rather watch us on sky
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Happily I was watching Final Score yesterday and at full time the eldest gave out a "YES" and said "WE won". That more than anything made my weekend.
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I'll be a little concerned if Middlesbrough sign Johnstone. We know Bruce wanted him.
That for me, would indicate we are walking a financial tightrope.
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It could also mean Boro are offering higher wages thanks to their parachute payments.
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Hello darkness, my old friend.
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It could also mean Boro are offering higher wages thanks to their parachute payments.
Yes, probably a little melodramatic. We all knew the score with FFP too.
It's not pleasant seeing the reality of it. We need to see a lot more from last seasons signings.
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I'll be a little concerned if Middlesbrough sign Johnstone. We know Bruce wanted him.
That for me, would indicate we are walking a financial tightrope.
I would be more concerned if it meant we were resigning Guzan.
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Normally Im quiet confident going into a new season, but this season I feel pretty worried the team ,and management have become very reminiscent of Tony Fernandez s QPR even if we don't sign Chris Samba. Worrying times without a doubt.7
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How are we like QPR?
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How are we like QPR?
average squad, above average wage bill
average manager, above average expectations
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Normally Im quiet confident going into a new season, but this season I feel pretty worried the team ,and management have become very reminiscent of Tony Fernandez s QPR even if we don't sign Chris Samba. Worrying times without a doubt.7
I would love us to sign Samba. The last I saw of him he was the size of a beached whale. Stick him in goal and see how successful the opposition are at putting the ball past him.
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How are we like QPR?
average squad, above average wage bill
average manager, above average expectations
I'd say our squad looks pretty strong and at this level Bruce's record is not average.
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And do we really have an average wage bill? (In the.Championship, no.Spurs.comparisons please)
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The squad is easily the strongest in the league. It needs a few additions no doubt, especially outwide, but in the context of second division outfits, you'd struggle to point to any better collection. They really ought to be going up automatically.
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The squad is easily the strongest in the league.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Compare it with the second favourites for the title and you'll get a sense of the quality;
1 in 4 Braithwaite, 1 in 5 Stuani, Lampost and Bamford whose scored 1 in 2 years. We have three 20 goal a season men, with McCormack looking half the man he was, literally rather than how he figuratively did last year.
We need 2 or 3 more, but I wouldn't swap this squad for their squad.
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We finished bottom half last year and our squad has hardly changed.
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So?
The quality is there, last season the mentality wasn't. The aim is for promotion and more than that, the title. Nobody is suggesting another season of flux with significant incoming or out goings, but a few key additions.
The quality is there and in greater quantity and concentration than Boro or Wednesday.
There's really no excuse for finishing below 2nd. The players are talking like that for a reason.
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Realistically this team needs about 30 points more than last season. Not overly sure that's a given, even if you could argue the strength of the squad. This will be more about belief than talent I think.
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So?
The quality is there, last season the mentality wasn't. The aim is for promotion and more than that, the title. Nobody is suggesting another season of flux with significant incoming or out goings, but a few key additions.
The quality is there and in greater quantity and concentration than Boro or Wednesday.
There's really no excuse for finishing below 2nd. The players are talking like that for a reason.
We'll see. I hope you're right. What I see is a team that was nowhere near good enough for promotion last year, has hardly been improved, and has a manager who seems devoid of ideas when things are going against us.
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The squad doesn't require much improvement, the mentality does. To hear Villa players talking with confidence for the first time in a half a decade is something of a shock.
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This season is about belief and confidence. If Terry can bring out the `soldiers` Chester, Jedinak, Hutton. We will grow as a squad .....
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Bloody hell - is this the longest running thread ever on here? Thought how did we manage to get 396 posts - and it is from 2005
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It's like a long lost friend.
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The squad is easily the strongest in the league. It needs a few additions no doubt, especially outwide, but in the context of second division outfits, you'd struggle to point to any better collection. They really ought to be going up automatically.
for the amount of money we have paid and the wage bill we have I think it's a piss poor squad full to the brim of Brucy's workmanlike championships warriors with very little real quality among them
if you think that squad with that manager is going to walk away with this league after what you've seen last season then you are going to be very disappointed imo
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The squad is easily the strongest in the league. It needs a few additions no doubt, especially outwide, but in the context of second division outfits, you'd struggle to point to any better collection. They really ought to be going up automatically.
for the amount of money we have paid and the wage bill we have I think it's a piss poor squad full to the brim of Brucy's workmanlike championships warriors with very little real quality among them
if you think that squad with that manager is going to walk away with this league after what you've seen last season then you are going to be very disappointed imo
You do know that Bruce didn't sign all of this 'full to the brim' workman like squad?
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Its the balance of the squad that's all wrong. we rely too heavily on Adomah getting the ball to kodjia to the point that we have no attacking focus elsewhere. The midfield is too static and you can't have Green and Adomah together. I also think we have too many players who just aren't that good. Lansbury, Jedinak, Baker, Hutton. Mid-table Championship players to a man. That's why we are where we are.
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The squad is easily the strongest in the league. It needs a few additions no doubt, especially outwide, but in the context of second division outfits, you'd struggle to point to any better collection. They really ought to be going up automatically.
for the amount of money we have paid and the wage bill we have I think it's a piss poor squad full to the brim of Brucy's workmanlike championships warriors with very little real quality among them
if you think that squad with that manager is going to walk away with this league after what you've seen last season then you are going to be very disappointed imo
You do know that Bruce didn't sign all of this 'full to the brim' workman like squad?
yep, the managers who did buy them were just as bad in fairness
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I think that we all have to worry ,about the size ,and the declining value of our current squad.
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Where did in say we'd walk away with the league? Why is it puss poor?
You think Leadbitter and Rimiriez at al have anything on Lansbury etc?
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I think we are perfectly capable of mounting a promotion challenge. However my biggest fear is three weeks before we start the season we still have at least ten players who no longer have futures at the club and are stinking the place out.
Remember when we were going on last season about how badly coached the team appeared to be. I heard an interesting statement from Nigel Spink on this. He said it must be an absolute nightmare for calderwood and clemence to have to coach such a large number of players as we have. I think this has a lot of merit.
Get rid of these by the end of August and I'll genuinely believe we can do it.
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Xia has backed himself into a corner.
We can't get rid of deadwood if there are no buyers.
And there are not any attempting to meet Xia's value because they know with us, it's a buyer's market.
£25 million he boasted in the January window - No sale.
£8million six months later, and a little twist to turn it into a loan :(
As Xia said, we pay part of the wages for all loaned-out players.
He also said that the parachute payments were 'ring-fenced' for Lerner and he had not spent a penny of them.Also he announces a close call with FairPlay.
Hence, his business acumen has screwed himself on getting Top Dollar.
We can't afford to buy-out player's contracts, that would come heavier than Terry's wages, so we just have to get riduculed and sell cheap to get Steve some pocket money.
We all have our choice of 'surplus' players, but how do you get rid of them if the vultures are prepared to wait it out ?
Xia's Boasting and Failed-Gambling has really put us in dead water.
I'm not really hopeful that he'll learn, or take advice.
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The biggest investment needed, was to finance the cost of writing off the contracts of the deadwood, instead the New regime has added to the problem.
Here we are on the verge of a new season and still we have a large expensive and dysfunctional squad.
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I can only think of Richards, and probably Gabby and Cissokho who you would class as deadwood that were here when Tony took over and are still here. 2 of them were moderately useful last season and they are both out of contract at the end of this season anyway.
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The squad is easily the strongest in the league. It needs a few additions no doubt, especially outwide, but in the context of second division outfits, you'd struggle to point to any better collection. They really ought to be going up automatically.
for the amount of money we have paid and the wage bill we have I think it's a piss poor squad full to the brim of Brucy's workmanlike championships warriors with very little real quality among them
if you think that squad with that manager is going to walk away with this league after what you've seen last season then you are going to be very disappointed imo
You do know that Bruce didn't sign all of this 'full to the brim' workman like squad?
You can see the type of squad he wants though by the players he has sold or loaned out and those he has kept, probably more so than the ones he has brought in.
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I'm not sure what's workman like about Hourihane or Lansbury. Both are dynamic box to box types, who thankfully have a strong work ethic.
We need to run sides of the pitch this year and utilise the strengths of the squad in a much more intelligent and deliberate manner.
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I know from an impeccable source how committed the doc is to Aston villa. OK so he has made mistakes ( in hindsight ) but doesn't everyone and look at what money he has provided for the club.If Bruce can get us up this season i'm convinced we can can really kick on in the premiership.
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I know from an impeccable source how committed the doc is to Aston villa. OK so he has made mistakes ( in hindsight ) but doesn't everyone and look at what money he has provided for the club.If Bruce can get us up this season i'm convinced we can can really kick on in the premiership.
doesn't matter how committed the doc is if you keep employing dud managers you will get nowhere
See Lerner,
it did for him and it will do for Xia unless he gets it right in that department his choices so far of RDM and Bruce are no better than Mcliesh and Lambert,
it's the most important decision he will ever make at the club everything else becomes virtually irrelevant
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I'm sure he is committed. This is irrelevant in financial terms unless we go up this season or at the latest next. We won't be able even if we wanted to just spend money because of the FFP requirements.
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Totally agree about the management choices but when you face the hard facts what manager is out there now who would come to us who would guarantee us promotion
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Totally agree about the management choices but when you face the hard facts what manager is out there now who would come to us who would guarantee us promotion
there's no guarantees in football as we found out last year with the promotion specialist
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I can only think of Richards, and probably Gabby and Cissokho who you would class as deadwood that were here when Tony took over and are still here. 2 of them were moderately useful last season and they are both out of contract at the end of this season anyway.
Maybe our interpretation of deadwood is different, read players we should get out of the place.
My view has always been we needed the mother of all clear outs, then not make the same mistakes again.
So on top of Richards Gabby Add Bacuna Gardener then we have added Fatmack Bjarnason Elphik Hogan.
It's a pretty impressive list of players that we could do without.
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I think you're wrong re Hogan. If we are not utilising his capabilities then the problem lies with the manager and his coaching staff, not the player. Since his arrival, when have we seen anything that resembles playing to his strengths? Never. That's the managers fault. IMO now is the time to bin Bruce because it isn't going to improve.
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I think you're wrong re Hogan. If we are not utilising his capabilities then the problem lies with the manager and his coaching staff, not the player. Since his arrival, when have we seen anything that resembles playing to his strengths? Never. That's the managers fault. IMO now is the time to bin Bruce because it isn't going to improve.
Happy to be wrong regarding Hogan and agree with you regarding Bruce.
In fact the Hogan signing is the same as his comment about maybe we play 3 the back.
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The midfield remains the big problem for me
Last season Newcastle had Richie, Shelvey, Diame.
We're well short of that quality. And we're still not confident that we can even play a four man midfield in the second division. That's pretty worrying
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It appears that we have the same type of player - game but limited.
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The midfield remains the big problem for me
Last season Newcastle had Richie, Shelvey, Diame.
We're well short of that quality. And we're still not confident that we can even play a four man midfield in the second division. That's pretty worrying
get the right manager and everything else will fall into place
get the wrong one and no matter what players you have or what formation you play it will never seem to come together
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I think you're wrong re Hogan. If we are not utilising his capabilities then the problem lies with the manager and his coaching staff, not the player. Since his arrival, when have we seen anything that resembles playing to his strengths? Never. That's the managers fault. IMO now is the time to bin Bruce because it isn't going to improve.
So what are his strengths?!? I haven't seen anything yet that suggests there is a £15m player in there
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Getting the ball into him in the box would be a good place to start don't you think?
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I think we all agree we're not playing to hogan's strengths
But I agree that it's hard to see how those strengths equate to a £15m player. If you look at his goals highlights it's hard to see him bagging many of them in the prem. whereas with Kodjia I really could see it (though he'd be very frustrating)
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The midfield remains the big problem for me
Last season Newcastle had Richie, Shelvey, Diame.
We're well short of that quality. And we're still not confident that we can even play a four man midfield in the second division. That's pretty worrying
I don't think it is.
In Lansbury and Hourihane we have two of the best and most creative midfielders in the division over the last two yards. And Jedinak was a regular in the Prem before we signed him.
The issue is that they're being either played out of position and / or told not to push forward leaving Hogan horribly starved of service and leaving the team reliant on a piece of magic from Kodjia.
Whilst I was by no means excited by Bruce's appointment I thought he'd do a good job but for me he's got until Christmas to prove it. If we're not up there at that stage he should be gone to give someone else the January window.
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Our midfield - and to an extent our squad - has plenty of big fishes in small ponds. Maybe Lansbury and hourihane are two of the. Eat creative midfielders in the league. But they've never played for even top 6 championship teams never mind premier league teams. Jedinak was out of the palace team which is why he left I thought?
Shelvey and Ritchie both cost over £10m in recent past. Who's going to pay anywhere near that for any of our midfielders?
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I'm worried we will start the season with ten outfielders all vying for the right back position.
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well we do have lots of midfielders. i do think a system id slowly developing but its a tired 3 in midfield and one wide midfield cum winger type player. the two up top can be 1 dropping off but i think bruce likes the idea of Thor being on the left side of midfield but not necessarily as a left midfielder. To be fair he and hiss scouts have seen a lot more of him than we have so he must be able to do a job out tehre and I think he will improve. Whelan maybe in the middle with Lansbury and Thor pushing on. Maybe even Jack the left outlet and then we could play with just one up top.
Too many midfielders though. I'd crop:
Jedinak (if Whelan is coming in)
Bacuna
Gardner
Tishbola
Lyden (or Toner - forget which one is the midfielder)
possibly even Adomah
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The midfield remains the big problem for me
Last season Newcastle had Richie, Shelvey, Diame.
We're well short of that quality. And we're still not confident that we can even play a four man midfield in the second division. That's pretty worrying
I don't think it is.
In Lansbury and Hourihane we have two of the best and most creative midfielders in the division over the last two yards. And Jedinak was a regular in the Prem before we signed him.
The issue is that they're being either played out of position and / or told not to push forward leaving Hogan horribly starved of service and leaving the team reliant on a piece of magic from Kodjia.
Whilst I was by no means excited by Bruce's appointment I thought he'd do a good job but for me he's got until Christmas to prove it. If we're not up there at that stage he should be gone to give someone else the January window.
We saw glimpses of what our midfielders can do - the Brighton game is one example where they appeared to have shrugged off the shackles and got forward.
The shackles are applied by SB adn the coaching staff, and the game-instructions being applied.
I do think we have the players to exit this division through the front door - we need a manager with nous, strategy, tactical awareness and balls.
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Our midfield - and to an extent our squad - has plenty of big fishes in small ponds. Maybe Lansbury and hourihane are two of the. Eat creative midfielders in the league. But they've never played for even top 6 championship teams never mind premier league teams. Jedinak was out of the palace team which is why he left I thought?
Shelvey and Ritchie both cost over £10m in recent past. Who's going to pay anywhere near that for any of our midfielders?
A whole bunch of other factors apart from actual ability goes into those price tags though, a lot of them questionable. For instance, I don't really see how Veretout isn't capable of being as good as Shelvey is - he came to us as a very well-regarded prospect in a country that produces talent far more prolifically than England, then last season was first-team starter at a French team that probably would've been able to survive the Premier League.
Likewise, with Hourihane, we got him cheap because he had six months left on his contract - if he had a few years still on, I suspect he would've gotten very close to the 10 million mark.
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I hope you're right - if hourihane really is £10m quality that's great
Really haven't seen that so far though. Was he linked with premier league clubs? That's normally a pretty reliable sign (not always though)
On formation, I too have wondered if Bruce is contemplating that sort of 1980s style 442, with one winger and one tucked in more to help the midfield. I can some sense in that. The main problem for me is that the contenders for the tucked In role would seem to be Bacuna or Thor.
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Page 399...this is where Dave Woodhall usually makes an appearance...
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The bookies have us as favourites to win the league. They have us as joint favourites for promotion.
We have two players in the top 5 odds for being top scorer (Kodija and Hogan).
They are rarely wrong so the doom and gloom we may feel isn't necessarily what others are thinking of our situation.
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The bookies have us as favourites to win the league. They have us as joint favourites for promotion.
We have two players in the top 5 odds for being top scorer (Kodija and Hogan).
They are rarely wrong so the doom and gloom we may feel isn't necessarily what others are thinking of our situation.
Except when we were second favourites last season
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I hope you're right - if hourihane really is £10m quality that's great
Really haven't seen that so far though. Was he linked with premier league clubs? That's normally a pretty reliable sign (not always though)
On formation, I too have wondered if Bruce is contemplating that sort of 1980s style 442, with one winger and one tucked in more to help the midfield. I can some sense in that. The main problem for me is that the contenders for the tucked In role would seem to be Bacuna or Thor.
Who knows how true it is, given the nature of paper talk, but I seem to remember Palace being linked with a late hijack of the move.
And I confess I'm probably pushing it a little with that sort of valuation, but I don't think we'd be too far away from that now - strikers are obviously still top of the pile, but if a top Championship striker is worth 15 million or so, one of the best midfielders in the Championship surely couldn't be worth that much less.
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Mr Wyness has come out with words to the effect of 'we are close to breaking FFP, next season will be tougher if we don't go up.'
This is obvious to most. I remain officially worried.
If it doesn't happen this season we will;
1. Sell Kodija.
2. Have very little parachute money.
3. Have an owner that may lose interest especially as he won't be able to invest.
4. Have a lot of old players on the books we cannot shift.
5. Still have Richards for another year on £60k per week.
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Richards isn't on 60K a week, it's around £35-40K, still obscene mind for someone so sodding useless.
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Mr Wyness has come out with words to the effect of 'we are close to breaking FFP, next season will be tougher if we don't go up.'
This is obvious to most. I remain officially worried.
If it doesn't happen this season we will;
1. Sell Kodija.
2. Have very little parachute money.
3. Have an owner that may lose interest especially as he won't be able to invest.
4. Have a lot of old players on the books we cannot shift.
5. Still have Richards for another year on £60k per week.
Agreed. We are and will continue to decline because the 'system' we are using remains incorrect. For some years now, we keep spending insane amounts of money on players and managers in a 'race to get back up' without realizing the gamble that places on the club's long term future. If we don't think we could become a Coventry or a Portsmouth and end up even lower, it's time to wake up.
We need to stop hammering away in the vain hope that if you try enough times, you'll get it right eventually. The change of manager conversation has been static for years now - its no surprise it has not produced better results.
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I'm now in this awful state of purgatory where I've come through the 'I couldn't care less anymore ' stage and staggered blinking into the 'it really matters to me again' light. Just when I thought the torment and pain was all behind me it's back. I would say it's the hope that kills you but in Villa's case it's the hopeless (e.g. Hutton, Gabby, I could go on)
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You have to laugh, really.
(http://www.quotehd.com/imagequotes/authors3/friedrich-nietzsche-philosopher-perhaps-i-know-best-why-it-is-man.jpg)
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I'm now in this awful state of purgatory where I've come through the 'I couldn't care less anymore ' stage and staggered blinking into the 'it really matters to me again' light. Just when I thought the torment and pain was all behind me it's back. I would say it's the hope that kills you but in Villa's case it's the hopeless (e.g. Hutton, Gabby, I could go on)
Totally agree, exactly how I feel already this season. I just feel very sad about Villa at the moment. It's like a continuous dark tunnel with no light at the end.
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Did nobody tell Nietzsche about hyenas?
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Why is it that it is only possible to buy tickets for the next game on the OS? What about following games?
I am sure it wasn't this shit last season.
BTW I am worried about Villa's future, hence choosing this thread.
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Why is it that it is only possible to buy tickets for the next game on the OS? What about following games?
I am sure it wasn't this shit last season.
BTW I am worried about Villa's future, hence choosing this thread.
Seatwave is in essence a ticket exchange operation for season ticket holders who cannot or do not want to go, and would like some return for their seat. It has been alleged that the club use this mechanism for dumping seats as well.
For a reduced price cup game where ST holders have to claim their "free" seat, the operation is redundant.
By the way, there were good single tickets in the Holte at s tenner on Friday for the Norwich game, £15 after booking fee and ticket collection charge.
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The club do sell on there unless there's a couple of dozen people with 10 season tickets in the Upper Witton who put sell them up for sale nearly every game.
Point is though we have 1 home game on sale on the official site which is a bit crap.
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The club do sell on there unless there's a couple of dozen people with 10 season tickets in the Upper Witton who put sell them up for sale nearly every game.
Point is though we have 1 home game on sale on the official site which is a bit crap.
Exactly.
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It’s back.
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I'll go first. I'm worried we gambled everything on plan A and now have to do plan B with a manager who's never heard of a plan B.
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I'm worried because he hasn't resigned yet and whether I am too old to see Villa back in the premiership.
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I was worried when he took the job, still worried he has the job, I worried all season & worst of all I am worried I was right. Bloody hell I need help
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from givemefootball.com
Aston Villa fans´ groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later.
Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday´s annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential investors will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.
VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
The original post from 2005.
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Worried? Who, us?
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from givemefootball.com
Aston Villa fans´ groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later.
Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday´s annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential investors will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.
VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
The original post from 2005.
heheheh, good old Doug, bless him. Only he could have have sold to probably the biggest fuckwitt ever to own a football club
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No good news:
I know that all the Villa fans experienced a very frustrating and disappointing Play-Off Final last Saturday. After seeing many Villa supporters on Twitter hoping that I can publish a statement as soon as possible, I feel like it would be best for me to write the following words when I am relatively calm.
I care as much about this club as anyone. Even though I am back in Beijing, I still can't recover from our game at Wembley. The emotion needs time to heal. However, I know that all our management staff, coaches, players and myself need to get back on our feet and prepare to fight again. Like everyone else, I'm delighted to see that under Steve’s management this season, we demonstrated character and unity. We fought like a team. Indeed, the loss is a pity, but we know how much effort and hard work our coaching staff and players put in this season. I want to thank Steve from the bottom of my heart, particularly for his remarkable level of professional focus despite losing his parents this year. With that, I would like to say thank you to Steve and his coaching staff once again for leading the team forward wholeheartedly throughout the season.
We are all aware that we will face severe FFP challenges next season. I am an Aston Villa fan. But I am also a businessman. Under the current circumstances, I think the club needs to rethink not only the past two years but also the past ten years. Villa needs to be a sustainable football club. People join. People leave. That is the cycle of football. But the football club always remains through it all. This is the ultimate reality that cannot be changed, but I can assure you that everyone behind the scenes is working tirelessly towards achieving our ultimate goal.
We have been heavily investing for the past two seasons. However, the loss on Saturday means that we need to change a lot of things. No one wanted to see the club have to go through this, but I believe that only changes can help the club to progress towards the positive direction and this requires the joint efforts of everyone associated with this great football club. No matter what the changes will be, I sincerely hope that everyone can unite and overcome the challenges together. Our goal has not changed and as long as we believe, regardless of how tough the process will be, I am sure we will succeed in the end.
Thank you very much once again for all your support.
Chairman
Dr Tony Xia
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Yeah nothing positive in that at all ....
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More questions than answers. He's right though. The club need to be sustainable. The only way to do that is naivety change the approach to good scouting, coaching and bringing our own into the team and building in the longer term. Could be a couple of seasons of struggle though.
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More questions than answers. He's right though. The club need to be sustainable. The only way to do that is naivety change the approach to good scouting, coaching and bringing our own into the team and building in the longer term. Could be a couple of seasons of struggle though.
What’s a couple more, that’ll make it about 11 seasons of struggle in a row...
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Only Villa could be taken over by a billionaire twice and end up without a pot to piss in.
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If its a couple more with a genuine emphasis on finding an identity, style, ethos or whatever, giving the youth a chance, investing smartly and going down a longer term path great. If it's giving Bruce more time to try its pointless.
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I appreciate how he got back to us all so quickly.
It's clear players will be sold under this message
I also like how he is as transparent as he can be. Very honourable and decent.
Fair play. We all feeling the hurt.
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Only Villa could be taken over by a billionaire twice and end up without a pot to piss in.
A post that is simply class
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Only Villa could be taken over by a billionaire twice and end up without a pot to piss in.
A post that is simply class
Seconded. That’s made my evening. Well struck sir
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I appreciate how he got back to us all so quickly.
It's clear players will be sold under this message
I also like how he is as transparent as he can be. Very honourable and decent.
Fair play. We all feeling the hurt.
A thoroughly bloody good bloke. Can't wait for his next pointless installment.
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This whole situation isn't doom and gloom for everyone.
Over on SHA they're wanking each other into an absolute frenzy over us at the moment!
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This whole situation isn't doom and gloom for everyone.
Over on SHA they're wanking each other into an absolute frenzy over us at the moment!
I bet all six of them have gone through the entire stock of the Bordesley Green SevenEleven's tissue range, they'll be starting on their socks now, it's hardly like they need to bend down to remove them.
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This whole situation isn't doom and gloom for everyone.
Over on SHA they're wanking each other into an absolute frenzy over us at the moment!
I was under impression that they are not in a healthy way with FFP either so they shouldn't celebrate too much
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Still trying to get over the play off defeat now this which we expected I just want some happy news for my club for a change.
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Still trying to get over the play off defeat now this which we expected I just want some happy news for my club for a change.
Seconded
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I am very worried over Villa's future. So there. Very, very worried.
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Has anyone else been listening to Danny Kelly on Talksport tonight (yes I know, but he's always excellent, and a fan of this website too BTW)?
I suspect Simon Jordan knows more about the current state of Villa than he's letting on...don't shoot the messenger!
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Has anyone else been listening to Danny Kelly on Talksport tonight (yes I know, but he's always excellent, and a fan of this website too BTW)?
I suspect Simon Jordan knows more about the current state of Villa than he's letting on...don't shoot the messenger!
Your point being?
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If Simon Jordan knew half as much about anything as he think's he does, he'd still be a misinformed narcissistic halfwit.
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For all his faults Jordan is very knowledgable and more importantly likes us and hated the porn dwarves.
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For all his faults Jordan is very knowledgable and more importantly likes us and hated the porn dwarves.
I agree. Look past the flash guy image and he speaks a lot of sense, and not necessarily what people want to hear. Much rather him than many of the wankers in the media with an agenda.
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This whole situation isn't doom and gloom for everyone.
Over on SHA they're wanking each other into an absolute frenzy over us at the moment!
Yes but it doesn’t take much does it.
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Has anyone else been listening to Danny Kelly on Talksport tonight (yes I know, but he's always excellent, and a fan of this website too BTW)?
I suspect Simon Jordan knows more about the current state of Villa than he's letting on...don't shoot the messenger!
Has anyone else been listening to Danny Kelly on Talksport tonight (yes I know, but he's always excellent, and a fan of this website too BTW)?
I suspect Simon Jordan knows more about the current state of Villa than he's letting on...don't shoot the messenger!
Your point being?
Jordan suggested he wouldn't be surprised if we changed owners soon ....he is a big Bruce fan so could have gotten his info from him perhaps ...
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I am now deeply worried.
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Add me to the list too
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it’s a bad thing that’s happened
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What does it mean for the club? And I think it probably deserves its own thread.
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I did not want to see the return of this thread
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Worse case scenario - Winding up order is successful - does the club fold and have to start over again with a new title? Are we demoted or deducted points ?
I'm sure it won't come to this as I believe there are numerous clubs in similar or worse debt than us
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Worse case scenario - Winding up order is successful - does the club fold and have to start over again with a new title? Are we demoted or deducted points ?
I'm sure it won't come to this as I believe there are numerous clubs in similar or worse debt than us
Our biggest local derby would be Sutton Coldfield in Evo-Stick South
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Nah, we could play the Blues. It would still be THEIR biggest game, even if it was a pre-season game.
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It is not looking good, but I would like someone to check Dr Tony Xia's Finances to prove he is rich or broke.
I want to know why Chinese Government wouldn't let him spend his/his company fortune.
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Worse case scenario - Winding up order is successful - does the club fold and have to start over again with a new title? Are we demoted or deducted points ?
I'm sure it won't come to this as I believe there are numerous clubs in similar or worse debt than us
More likely than an agreements is reached with HMRC.
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Club is a mess. If Wyness was trying to get outside investment without owners knowledge then we have a problem as very rarely do you get succesful clubs when owner and chief executive are pulling in different directions.
Last season sort of worked as everyone was after that one goal of promotion so you have a rare year of unity on and off the pitch.
We don't know the squad or manager we'll have for next season and now we don't know the chief exec. Could well be the owner aswell in next few weeks.
As it stands anyone expecting a promotion push next season is a little bit crackers. More likely to be a relegation battle.
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I want to know why Chinese Government wouldn't let him spend his/his company fortune.
Because it doesn’t exist and never did.
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I want to know why Chinese Government wouldn't let him spend his/his company fortune.
Because it doesn’t exist and never did.
The shoes, the damn shoes.
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He managed to pull together the money to purchase the club in the first place and pump some capital in. He can’t be a complete charlatan. Can he?
Maybe it’s as said, a short term cash flow issue and the tax will be paid this week?
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It is not looking good, but I would like someone to check Dr Tony Xia's Finances to prove he is rich or broke.
I want to know why Chinese Government wouldn't let him spend his/his company fortune.
As I understand it, the Chinese government are concerned at the amount of capital being moved overseas so have placed restrictions on how much funds can be moved. It may well be that Tony wants to inject cash but is being prevented from doing so ( or he really could be skint) Who knows?
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He managed to pull together the money to purchase the club in the first place and pump some capital in. He can’t be a complete charlatan. Can he?
Maybe it’s as said, a short term cash flow issue and the tax will be paid this week?
The money is just resting in his account.
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Aside from that being an absurdly convenient excuse, it gives me no more succour if it's true. Because at no point does it suggest he could move any money to help us, not even for a 10 fen mix.
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James Nursery from Mirror:
Re: #AVFC clearly in huge ££ trouble & there's a report in @DailyMirror tomorrow. Club been borrowing money this yr & selling on future transfer income to keep cash flow going but now at crisis point with parachute payment down to £15m. Sales inevitable & could get worse yet
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I don’t think he’s got any more insight than reading this thread.
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He managed to pull together the money to purchase the club in the first place and pump some capital in. He can’t be a complete charlatan. Can he?
Maybe it’s as said, a short term cash flow issue and the tax will be paid this week?
Could be, but the news earlier in the week about the Sanchez and Amavi money suggests that cash flow was a problem earlier in the year as well doesn’t it?
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I don’t think he’s got any more insight than reading this thread.
We'll find out pretty soon, but there is an awful lot of smoke around for there to be no fire.
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James Nursery from Mirror:
Re: #AVFC clearly in huge ££ trouble & there's a report in @DailyMirror tomorrow. Club been borrowing money this yr & selling on future transfer income to keep cash flow going but now at crisis point with parachute payment down to £15m. Sales inevitable & could get worse yet
Isn’t this a blue nose git?
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Still trying to get over the play off defeat now this which we expected I just want some happy news for my club for a change.
You got it last season, 20 odd wins.
Sadly we forgot to actually turn up and win the most important one which looks like it will define the next 5 years for us.
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It’s classic Leeds United this If true.
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Aside from anything else, this all reflects very badly on Bruce's decision to flog 10m precious quid on the likes of Hogan and play safety first football...
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James Nursery from Mirror:
Re: #AVFC clearly in huge ££ trouble & there's a report in @DailyMirror tomorrow. Club been borrowing money this yr & selling on future transfer income to keep cash flow going but now at crisis point with parachute payment down to £15m. Sales inevitable & could get worse yet
Anybody could write that story tonight.
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Aside from anything else, this all reflects very badly on Bruce's decision to flog 10m precious quid on the likes of Hogan and play safety first football...
As much as I have slated Bruce over his style of football,far worse is to allow the excessive spending.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1004116034029277186/photo/1
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Who is Peter B Freund then? How deep are his pockets!
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Times tomorrow says Americans want us for £75m
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Ellis in.
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Times tomorrow says Americans want us for £75m
*Shudder* - He even looks a bit like Lerner!
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I doubt we're worth £75 million in this state.
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I don’t think he’s got any more insight than reading this thread.
He has lifted it from.here hasn't he? What a wank biscuit stealing our IP and being paid for it.
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I got back from Wembley intending to try to forget about football for a couple of months.
I lasted until Friday and then started posting on here again.
Since then it's been like hell on Earth - Every time I think it's as bad as it can be, something else lands on us.
I've long since given up any hope of keeping Grealish and am now worried that Chester will be gone as well. This is worse than anything I think I've experienced as a fan and I'm left wondering how many years it will take to get out of this mess.
Forget about winning the cup in my lifetime. I'm seriously concerned that we'll ever be PL again in my lifetime.
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On the plus side, I reckon my dream of playing for the Villa is still alive!
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On the plus side, I reckon my dream of playing for the Villa is still alive!
If I replace Bruce then you've got a chance son.
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I'm seriously concerned that we'll ever be PL again in my lifetime.
Sod the Premier League. I'd settle for mid table obscurity until we shake off the insane amount of bad karma we seem to stink of.
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Could be the year of the youth as well! Could be fielding 10 of them with richards in goal.
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I love a bit of adversity me. It's that fine line between oblivion and success where greatness is born. I am a bit of a mentalist mind.
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Could be the year of the youth as well! Could be fielding 10 of them with richards in goal.
Yoof yoof yoof yoof.
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On the plus side, I reckon my dream of playing for the Villa is still alive!
The way things are going, my dream of owning Villa is still alive.
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Aye, was thinking the same. It wouldn't be pretty but a part of me likes the idea of us playing a season with kids. Bruce's bargain basement babes anyone?
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I love a bit of adversity me. It's that fine line between oblivion and success where greatness is born. I am a bit of a mentalist mind.
Yep, a bit of turbulence keeps you on your toes. They should have given me a call, I've been running rings round HMRC for years.
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The Times article in full:
Peter B Freund, a minority shareholder in baseball’s New York Yankees, is preparing to make a formal offer to buy Aston Villa for £75 million as the club face up to the threat of going into administration.
Keith Wyness, the chief executive, was suspended yesterday after a disagreement with the owner Tony Xia, who is understood to have taken umbrage at his most senior employee’s advice to settle a £4.2 million tax bill owed to HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) to avoid a winding-up order.
Xia has been in China since Villa’s Championship play-off final defeat by Fulham ten days ago, which plunged the club into financial turmoil, but last night announced he was taking over as chief executive until further notice. The 41-year-old is understood to have been searching for new investors for several weeks as a contingency plan in case Villa failed to win promotion, and talks with Freund are expected to accelerate after Wyness’s suspension.
During initial negotiations Xia is understood to have valued Villa at £100 million, although given the club’s severe financial problems and struggles to pay creditors such as HMRC he has yet to receive an offer that matches his valuation.
The club need to make savings of about £40 million next season to avoid being fined for breaching the Football League’s Financial Fair Play rules and have had significant cash-flow problems in recent weeks, which has led to infighting, culminating in yesterday’s dramatic events.
Xia is understood to have spent £140 million on Villa, including his £76 million purchase from Randy Lerner two years ago, with his valuation of £100 million reflecting his desire to recoup the majority of that investment. Xia does not have financial problems of his own, with his net worth estimated at £1 billion, but has struggled to get money out of China recently due to stricter foreign exchange controls imposed by the government. The Times has been told that he has not provided any fresh funding to Villa for the past three months.
There are a number of parties interested in buying Villa, including at least one British group, with Freund putting together a US consortium in which he would take a majority share. The American has been looking at adding an English football club to his [size=150]Trinity Sports Holdings[/size] (TSH) company for some time, a group that has a stake in the Yankees, as well as owning a number of Minor League baseball clubs. TSH have also signed an expansion agreement with the United States Soccer League to enter new club Memphis City in the league next year. Freund is the president of Trinity Packaging Corp, a plastics manufacturer, which began as a family business in New York in 1917.
Trevor Birch, the former administrator and Chelsea chief executive, has been consulted on cost-cutting, but is not involved in sale process. Xia’s cashflow problems have been compounded by Villa’s spending in attempting to return to the Premier League, with John Terry being paid a salary of £60,000 a week last season.
Wyness is understood to have held crisis talks with Xia over the HMRC issue yesterday which culminated in his suspension. There is no suggestion that Wyness has been accused of wrongdoing.
Villa are confident the tax issue will be resolved, but the club still face a summer of significant cuts. They have already reduced costs by releasing Terry and have ruled out the return of high-profile loanees including Robert Snodgrass. That could mean a promotion to the first team of several of the club’s academy graduates.
Steve Bruce has expressed a wish to remain as manager but a statement last week from Xia offered no guarantees about his future. News of Wyness’s suspension will be of concern to Bruce, who counted the chief executive among his most vocal supporters behind the scenes.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/american-peter-b-freund-lines-up-75m-bid-to-buy-aston-villa-2wpdkfwzd
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It wouldn't be modern day Villa without a good summer takeover story. And it's not a crisis until I see the Mail torn crest
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No CEO, no Captain, no money.
No manager(?), new owner(?), no stars(?).
We've great History, Tradition and Pride.
And our fans are the best nationwide.
Right now, it's causing us pain.
But the Villa will rise strong again.
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p.s. Can we ditch the poll on this thread now please? It takes up so much screen real estate on the mobile version it's ridiculous.
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Hopefully the new poll with fewer options is better.
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Can we also stop double spacing it takes up so much screen real estate😉
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I don’t think he’s got any more insight than reading this thread.
We'll find out pretty soon, but there is an awful lot of smoke around for there to be no fire.
I have been in hospital for a couple of days but on hearing the news on the way back home tonight my first thought was it was being over dramatised. As the evening has worn on I unfortunately have to agree with your 'too much smoke for there to be no fire' theory.
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No more snake oil salesmen. No more quick fixes. We're going to have to take our medicine and it won't taste nice. But if we'd bitten the bullet ten years ago and pursued a sustainable path we'd be in a far better position now. Fans wouldn't have accepted it. Hope they would now
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I don’t think he’s got any more insight than reading this thread.
We'll find out pretty soon, but there is an awful lot of smoke around for there to be no fire.
I have been in hospital for a couple of days but on hearing the news on the way back home tonight my first thought was it was being over dramatised. As the evening has worn on I unfortunately have to agree with your 'too much smoke for there to be no fire' theory.
My point was more that the Mirror journalist had found out nothing more than simply reading the contents of this thread. Every snippet was directly from here.
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To be fair, when Lambert came in that was the plan. Loads of the kids got thrown in and it resulted in lots of new club records for all the wrong reasons (8-0 at Chelsea anyone?).
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I said to my old man last night, I don't care what division we are in next season, I just want to watch Villa playing decent football with pride in the shirt. We will be back, we are not going to be liquidated etc, because someone will buy us and improve the situation, because we are Aston Villa. Much like Leeds have been through the wringer we are going through it, but the fans will still be there and so will the club. We can get through this, keep our heads up and hopefully watch a really talented group of kids help us prosper.
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Be not afeard. The Villa is full of surprises,
Sounds, and sweet airs, that give delight, and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand dangling idiots,
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices,
That if I then had waked after long sleep
Will make me sleep again; and then in dreaming
The clouds methought would open and show riches
Ready to drop upon me, that when I waked
I cried to dream again."
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5809685/Aston-Villa-turmoil-failure-pay-tax-bill-5m.html
Nice to see a bit of positivity about the place. :-[
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Can we also stop double spacing it takes up so much screen real estate😉
Touché!
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To be fair, when Lambert came in that was the plan. Loads of the kids got thrown in and it resulted in lots of new club records for all the wrong reasons (8-0 at Chelsea anyone?).
That's kind of my point. That 8-0 defeat was some bad tasting medicine
In a parallel universe maybe we went down that year. And came back up 2-3 years later with a team containing Steer,. lowton, Clark, Bennett, westwood, delph, Albrighton, Robinson, Johnson, grealish and some previous ly unknown players that many thought were "below us" when we bought them
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The optimist in me says the tax bill could be a blessing in disguise by bringing things to a head. If HMRC hadn't have been so HMRC we would have been in for a difficult and frustrating summer wondering why Xia was not putting his hand in his pocket and worse, selling our few prized assets accompanied by HDE style penny pinching. At least this way things are now out in the open and something has to give. Just maybe there is a chink of light following our darkest day yesterday?
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Unfortunate use of "chink"
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Unfortunate use of "chink"
Oops, not intended!
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It might help if the local press actually did some journalism rather than just cutting and pasting from the nationals.
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Unfortunate use of "chink"
haha
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It might help if the local press actually did some journalism rather than just cutting and pasting from the nationals.
Indeed! I get more news from here than any of the local media. We're poorly served in that regard!
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Doesn’t help that the Meaning Evil’s Villa correspondent is a 15 year old who supports Albion.
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Yeah Steve stride basically called them out and longer for the Leon Hickman days. "Do some investigating!"
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I said to my old man last night, I don't care what division we are in next season, I just want to watch Villa playing decent football with pride in the shirt. We will be back, we are not going to be liquidated etc, because someone will buy us and improve the situation, because we are Aston Villa. Much like Leeds have been through the wringer we are going through it, but the fans will still be there and so will the club. We can get through this, keep our heads up and hopefully watch a really talented group of kids help us prosper.
Disappointment for me is we had all the unity and relative success last season (even if not so great football to watch) but because of not winning one game and the short term nature of our recruitment, that's all gone up in smoke now whereas other clubs in recent times who've missed out (Boro and Brighton) have kept their squad together and gone up the following year.
Whoever owns us next season we need to build a squad for next 3-4 years not just 12 months.
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Richard Conway from BBC on Twitter
"What a mess at Villa. Payroll tax overdue + next month’s looming.
Huge wage bill.
Unless there’s further cash injection from Chinese owner (seems unlikely) or buyer found then administration may be inevitable.
Told it could take £75m just to get through season.
Crisis time."
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Yeah Steve stride basically called them out and longer for the Leon Hickman days. "Do some investigating!"
Loathe though I am to defend them, it takes a lot of time to unravel a mess like this and the Mail would rather run stories about chip shops and time travellers.
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Given the purge on reducing the use of plastics globally, I'd worry about a new owner whose wealth primarily comes from owning a plastics manufacturer and is a life long baseball fan.
I fear he might be another Lerner.
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Richard Conway from BBC on Twitter
"What a mess at Villa. Payroll tax overdue + next month’s looming.
Huge wage bill.
Unless there’s further cash injection from Chinese owner (seems unlikely) or buyer found then administration may be inevitable.
Told it could take £75m just to get through season.
Crisis time."
Happy Wednesday FFS
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Richard Conway from BBC on Twitter
"What a mess at Villa. Payroll tax overdue + next month’s looming.
Huge wage bill.
Unless there’s further cash injection from Chinese owner (seems unlikely) or buyer found then administration may be inevitable.
Told it could take £75m just to get through season.
Crisis time."
Happy Wednesday FFS
The sun is out, the sky is blue
There's not a cloud to spoil the view
But it's raining, raining in our collective heart.... :'(
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Yeah Steve stride basically called them out and longer for the Leon Hickman days. "Do some investigating!"
Loathe though I am to defend them, it takes a lot of time to unravel a mess like this and the Mail would rather run stories about chip shops and time travellers.
True
But I'd still expect the local paper to be the ones breaking the news sometimes. They basically regurgitate what's on twitter. Likes of john Percy the ones breaking news
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Richard Conway from BBC on Twitter
"What a mess at Villa. Payroll tax overdue + next month’s looming.
Huge wage bill.
Unless there’s further cash injection from Chinese owner (seems unlikely) or buyer found then administration may be inevitable.
Told it could take £75m just to get through season.
Crisis time."
oohhhhhhh fuck it.
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Is the payment of tax in football like that of the wider world, where the big boys get away with hiding it, but the rest are pounced on?
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#partofthepridemyarse
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If the Revenue hasn't been paid - who else do we owe money to? At the moment the playing surface is undergoing major work - let's hope there is money in the kitty to pay for that else the contractors might just walk away if they fear they are getting no payment -
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Winding up order has been filed today allegedly
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I very much doubt it has !
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Winding up order has been filed today allegedly
Stop that.
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I’ll go and have a look at the gazette and see.
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Should I be worried that I see Aston Villa Foundation in the Gazette with a Form C2?!!
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Winding up order has been filed today allegedly
There will be a million and one rumours abounding now. I highly doubt it will have been based on the statement from the club yesterday.
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Or was that just change of Directors?
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Nothing that I can see on the gazette.
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(https://thumb.ibb.co/chpt08/E418_CB6_C_0_B44_4_D8_E_A64_C_3_A86_F6_F408_B7.png) (https://ibb.co/chpt08)
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(https://thumb.ibb.co/chpt08/E418_CB6_C_0_B44_4_D8_E_A64_C_3_A86_F6_F408_B7.png) (https://ibb.co/chpt08)
I want my mummy
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What is the gazette?
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Is this the charge over the clubs assets that we couldn’t see earlier? Only registered a month ago?!
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10484901/filing-history
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If we have failed to make hmrc payments are there funds available to pay player & staff wages ?... What a bloody mess
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Sky are saying Board meeting today will discuss
Series of bills including wages for players and staff in excess of £8m due on 23 June
£2m outstanding tax bill, which could prompt a winding up order from HMRC
Budget for Bruce for the season
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I can tell you now what Bruce's budget is for the season. Just shy of fuck all.
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Is that why we were shit in the play off final?
The players had the hump because they hadn’t been paid.
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Yeah Steve stride basically called them out and longer for the Leon Hickman days. "Do some investigating!"
Loathe though I am to defend them, it takes a lot of time to unravel a mess like this and the Mail would rather run stories about chip shops and time travellers.
Ah ah.... the Oscar Wilde defence method.
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Is that why we were shit in the play off final?
The players had the hump because they hadn’t been paid.
Could well be
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Fuck me. What the fuck have we all done to deserve this absolute turdfest?
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I think we're fucked, time to face up to it. Always had my suspicions with Xia but there's fuck all any of us little people could do about this stuff anyway.
Administration beckons, my friends.
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Yeah Steve stride basically called them out and longer for the Leon Hickman days. "Do some investigating!"
Loathe though I am to defend them, it takes a lot of time to unravel a mess like this and the Mail would rather run stories about chip shops and time travellers.
Ah ah.... the Oscar Wilde defence method.
Eh?
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Sort of damning them whilst defending them.
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What is the gazette?
London Gazette, publication of record for insolvency (and other) matters
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/
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There's some discrepancy with that statement in the Mirror. Where has all the season ticket money gone? If we've only missed May's payment then surely the season ticket money would cover that?
If Wyness is behind this then he's clearly trying to paint Xia in as bad a light as possible.
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What is the gazette?
London Gazette, publication of record for insolvency (and other) matters
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/
Thanks.
We look like a right look like a right load of shysters now.
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If we have a financial situation currently which says we will make a £70m loss over the course of the next 12 months, but we should be able to raise £50m + from the sales of Grealish, Kodjia and Chester surely that should buy us some time. Players such as Richards, Gollini and McCormack must step up to the mark and bust a gut to get us out of this division, if we cannot offload them. We need to promote youth players and beg steal and borrow to cheaply fill in any gaps we leave in the squad by raising cash.
Or we can hope someone buys us.
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This is the worst article of the lot so far - https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/inside-story-behind-aston-villa-12655774
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Perhaps we just bank with TSB and they've messed up our payments?
or this becomes a best selling Netflix box set?
"Facilitators" using football club sales to rip off unsuspecting foreign purchasers?
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To the pit of misery all!!!
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That article sets out the worst case scenario - a club that needs external funding monthly just to pay operating costs. The club is basically insolvent.
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From that Mirror article this line depressed me the most...
Due to the football creditors' rule, the likes of Micah Richards, Pierluigi Gollini, Ross McCormack – none of whom kicked a ball in anger last season – will all have to be paid their monstrous salaries.
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Most clubs are insolvent without owners funding.
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Place has fallen apart now we've finally got shot of Agbonlahor.
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Sort of damning them whilst defending them.
I'll damn the paper while defending the writers.
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Genuinely lost for words at what's happened in the last 12 days. Is 2pm too earlier for a beer....................?
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Place has fallen apart now we've finally got shot of Agbonlahor.
There's always a price to pay, wonder what he must be thinking, he's been taking skip loads out the club, perhaps????
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Is this the charge over the clubs assets that we couldn’t see earlier? Only registered a month ago?!
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10484901/filing-history
I'm not sure that this is of much significance. The charge is over a dormant property development subsiduary with assets of under a million quid. Our problem seems to be a cashflow issue, maybe linked to some of Recon's debt having become due recently (if it has)?
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The minus 10 points...What are our chances of staying up.?.....this is the pit of misery after all. .............just realised it isn’t the pit
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Our starting team for next season at this rare
Steer, Bree, Micah, Jedinak, Taylor, Elmo, Lansbury, Bjarnasson, Green, McCormack, Hogan
We will be relegated faster than Sunderland were
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We need to hear something by close of business today, a firm structured plan of action, the silence is becoming deafening and all this speculation in itself could put the club under, loss of confidence running through the whole club, Xia needs to stand up and say " guys, nothing to worry about, just a glitch, panic over, on we go.
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The minus 10 points...What are our chances of staying up.?.....this is the pit of misery after all. .............just realised it isn’t the pit
Would be minus 12 under new rules
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The minus 10 points...What are our chances of staying up.?.....this is the pit of misery after all. .............just realised it isn’t the pit
I think it’s 12 points now
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The silence is deafening.
What I don't understand is apparently it's not a case of Dr Xia having no money, just the logistics of getting it out of China,etc.
The tax man is the last person you want to keep waiting, but in my experience a structured payment plan is usually worked out to avoid the sort of reaction we've heard, maybe we've gone past that point but we need to know what is going to be done to get our great club out of the mess it's in.
I understand all including the kitchen sink was thrown at promotion, we just missed out, but there has to have been a Plan B surely?
That's it, we need a plan B.
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How can we possibly avoid Administration if the very source of the monthly working capital gap funding has stopped paying?
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The silence is deafening.
What I don't understand is apparently it's not a case of Dr Xia having no money, just the logistics of getting it out of China,etc.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
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Does anyone actually believe a word that Xia says any longer?
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How can we possibly avoid Administration if the very source of the monthly working capital gap funding has stopped paying?
Absolutely, no money coming in, every minute of every hour of every day the debt increases.
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Anyone else think that Bodymoor Heath becoming the Recon training ground might be an asset transfer to avoid it being seized for debt payment?
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The silence is deafening.
What I don't understand is apparently it's not a case of Dr Xia having no money, just the logistics of getting it out of China,etc.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
That Mirror article (though seemingly heavily influenced by Wyness) suggests that isn't the problem.
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We need to hear something by close of business today, a firm structured plan of action, the silence is becoming deafening and all this speculation in itself could put the club under, loss of confidence running through the whole club, Xia needs to stand up and say " guys, nothing to worry about, just a glitch, panic over, on we go.
No we don't. You'd like to hear it, but you won't. What gives you the right to demand that sort of info?
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We need to hear something by close of business today, a firm structured plan of action, the silence is becoming deafening and all this speculation in itself could put the club under, loss of confidence running through the whole club, Xia needs to stand up and say " guys, nothing to worry about, just a glitch, panic over, on we go.
No we don't. You'd like to hear it, but you won't. What gives you the right to demand that sort of info?
Are you serious?
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We need to hear something by close of business today, a firm structured plan of action, the silence is becoming deafening and all this speculation in itself could put the club under, loss of confidence running through the whole club, Xia needs to stand up and say " guys, nothing to worry about, just a glitch, panic over, on we go.
No we don't. You'd like to hear it, but you won't. What gives you the right to demand that sort of info?
Are you serious?
Of course! Please explain to me why it should be different.
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I can tell you now. The first tea break (its typhoo to save costs) is at 3pm.
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We need to hear something by close of business today, a firm structured plan of action, the silence is becoming deafening and all this speculation in itself could put the club under, loss of confidence running through the whole club, Xia needs to stand up and say " guys, nothing to worry about, just a glitch, panic over, on we go.
No we don't. You'd like to hear it, but you won't. What gives you the right to demand that sort of info?
Are you serious?
Of course! Please explain to me why it should be different.
Have you ever heard of getting out front of a story? If Tony, I won't call him a Dr. anymore, is smart he will get in front of this before the media continues to misconstrue what is actually going on. We're being told about tax violations, capital extractions from foreign (communist) nations, payroll issues, reoccurring debts and we're pleading to BURNLEY (and toon) to advance a payment to keep us chugging along.
It's important for our owner and board to come out and address this issue. If the club is up for sale, we should be aware. If the club is going to enter administration, we should be informed. If the club just hit a minor blip and we'll press ahead, we should be reassured. It's better to hear the story from your club than from the press.
I'm not saying we have the right to know but what I am saying is, it's better to find out from within than from an outside source.
I'm going to be honest, I feel bamboozled and swindled. I can't say I didn't have reservations about Tont Xia taking over the club, I just didn't think it would happen this fast. A football club isn't a short term gamble, and to think that it could have been is foolish.
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How can we possibly avoid Administration if the very source of the monthly working capital gap funding has stopped paying?
Absolutely, no money coming in, every minute of every hour of every day the debt increases.
We're in deep shit and no mistake. It's what happens when rich people either lose interest or the ability to keep coughing up.
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Think Rongtian He and Tony Xia need to speak asap.
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Think Rongtian He and Tony Xia need to speak asap.
As i said earlier, I couldn't care less what they have to say. I won't believe a word they say.
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It doesn't matter what's said. Action is required.
We don't, unfortunately, have any rights in this. The way of the world now is that people feel they have a right to know everything when they want to know it. But it just isn't the case.
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Trouble is, it's very difficult to know whether any action taken is the right action if we don't know the extent of the problem. It's asking a lot for Villa fans to take stuff on trust after the last few years.
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Right now and it pains me to say it but in the absence of a sugar daddy rescuing us then Administration and taking the twelve point penalty seems the most attractive option.
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Rumoured to be a statement between 4 and 5 this afternoon.
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It doesn't matter what's said. Action is required.
We don't, unfortunately, have any rights in this. The way of the world now is that people feel they have a right to know everything when they want to know it. But it just isn't the case.
Are you Elon Musk in disguise?
If tony enjoys pitchforks, torches and angry mobs than keep the supporters in the dark.
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What puzzles me in all this is that as I understand it, Wolves, West Brom, The Rags are all now Chinese owned so how come we seem to be the only ones having trouble getting funds out of China. So take The Dogheads out of the equation because of promotion but the other two don't appear to have the same problems we have.
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Supposedly as Fosun already had overseas ventures they can move money out of China easier. The bitters were in the PL so time will tell what they're situation is now that gravy train has stopped, and sha are reportedly in the crapper as well.
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What puzzles me in all this is that as I understand it, Wolves, West Brom, The Rags are all now Chinese owned so how come we seem to be the only ones having trouble getting funds out of China. So take The Dogheads out of the equation because of promotion but the other two don't appear to have the same problems we have.
They probably don't need big funds from China, I'd guess that we're the only one haemorrhaging 5 million a month.
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What puzzles me in all this is that as I understand it, Wolves, West Brom, The Rags are all now Chinese owned so how come we seem to be the only ones having trouble getting funds out of China. So take The Dogheads out of the equation because of promotion but the other two don't appear to have the same problems we have.
I guess its that the diffence between the clubs generated income and what the owner needs to put in himself is biggest at Villa, they might be Chinese owned but dont need to plug as many holes at the end of the month.
The returning Albion CEO mentioned that their finances were in a state.
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Rumoured to be a statement between 4 and 5 this afternoon.
Tick follows tock...
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The minus 10 points...What are our chances of staying up.?.....this is the pit of misery after all. .............just realised it isn’t the pit
I think it’s 12 points now
Not worried, we've been that far behind the running after 6-7 games for 2 years running now and been ok.
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The best thing any supporter can do at the moment (pending having the money of course) is to go and renew or buy a season ticket.
Must be a good few million to be hard there not to mention we'll be needed more than ever come August
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The best thing any supporter can do at the moment (pending having the money of course) is to go and renew or buy a season ticket.
Must be a good few million to be hard there not to mention we'll be needed more than ever come August
Good man, Up the Villa
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What puzzles me in all this is that as I understand it, Wolves, West Brom, The Rags are all now Chinese owned so how come we seem to be the only ones having trouble getting funds out of China. So take The Dogheads out of the equation because of promotion but the other two don't appear to have the same problems we have.
West Brom have the prem money
BLose have a much lower cost base
Maybe they are having problems but are keeping quiet or more likely we are the big news of the moment
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As new rumours and information come to light folks may want to change their vote, so i've added that option.
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The best thing any supporter can do at the moment (pending having the money of course) is to go and renew or buy a season ticket.
Must be a good few million to be hard there not to mention we'll be needed more than ever come August
Good man, Up the Villa
Well other than the danger that if the club goes into Administration you would be classed as an unsecured creditor.
So please only pay for a season ticket with A Credit Card.
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I feel fucking sick. Thanks Randy and Dr X for destroying my football club. Well done!
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We were becoming a mess toward the end of Doug's tenure. The league has changed with the times but we've just not had the leadership that could guide the club and do a good job of it.
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I feel fucking sick. Thanks Randy and Dr X for destroying my football club. Well done!
Just a couple of naive chancers who know nothing about football trying to make a buck.
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The best thing any supporter can do at the moment (pending having the money of course) is to go and renew or buy a season ticket.
Must be a good few million to be hard there not to mention we'll be needed more than ever come August
Good man, Up the Villa
Well other than the danger that if the club goes into Administration you would be classed as an unsecured creditor.
So please only pay for a season ticket with A Credit Card.
I think it’s 17000 season tickets sold, sobering thought that this only equates to about £7 million (I’m guessing). We’ve probably spent that already. When I renewed there was a good chance of seeing football in a different division, oh the fecking irony!
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On the season ticket front, if we go into administration what happens to the ST money. I guess it gets used to pay creditors as its an asset. We then also become creditors ? Suppose a deal to creditors is agreed at 10p in the £1, what happens?
Can, would the club be able to honour season tickets already purchased? Guess credit cards are the best way to guarantee a payback. Myself and son got ours last month through Zebra finance.
Its all very confusing and granted in the scale of things that are happening, maybe not that important
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On the season ticket front, if we go into administration what happens to the ST money. I guess it gets used to pay creditors as its an asset. We then also become creditors ? Suppose a deal to creditors is agreed at 10p in the £1, what happens?
Can, would the club be able to honour season tickets already purchased? Guess credit cards are the best way to guarantee a payback. Myself and son got ours last month through Zebra finance.
Its all very confusing and granted in the scale of things that are happening, maybe not that important
See above.
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We were becoming a mess toward the end of Doug's tenure. The league has changed with the times but we've just not had the leadership that could guide the club and do a good job of it.
At least under Doug we stopped playing the W formation.
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From the Brum Mail:
Aston Villa will not be going into administration and are confident of solving their cash-flow crisis, sources have told BirminghamLive.
Owner Dr Tony Xia has today received positive news that a £2million loan has been approved so the outstanding tax bill will soon be cleared.
It’s understood that Xia is doing everything possible to keep hold of the club he purchased in 2016 having invested over £150m.
Several leading football finance experts have backed up claims from sources close to the club who are adamant Villa's current crisis will not see them file for administration.
alk of Villa plunging to depths previously seen at the likes of Portsmouth and Leeds United has also been quashed.
Villa have serious short-term cash flow problems and are understood to be seeking minor investment.
Xia has also faced up to the reality of losing key players, including £30million-rated prized asset Jack Grealish.
The club are looking at ways to slash their sky-high wage bill and are even considering selling Brookvale - the staff car park close to Villa Park.
But it’s understood that solutions will soon be in place and then Villa can start preparing for the 2018/19 season, albeit on a significantly reduced budget.
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From the Brum Mail:
Aston Villa will not be going into administration and are confident of solving their cash-flow crisis, sources have told BirminghamLive.
Owner Dr Tony Xia has today received positive news that a £2million loan has been approved so the outstanding tax bill will soon be cleared.
It’s understood that Xia is doing everything possible to keep hold of the club he purchased in 2016 having invested over £150m.
Several leading football finance experts have backed up claims from sources close to the club who are adamant Villa's current crisis will not see them file for administration.
alk of Villa plunging to depths previously seen at the likes of Portsmouth and Leeds United has also been quashed.
Villa have serious short-term cash flow problems and are understood to be seeking minor investment.
Xia has also faced up to the reality of losing key players, including £30million-rated prized asset Jack Grealish.
The club are looking at ways to slash their sky-high wage bill and are even considering selling Brookvale - the staff car park close to Villa Park.
But it’s understood that solutions will soon be in place and then Villa can start preparing for the 2018/19 season, albeit on a significantly reduced budget.
Even if this was true it’s still extremely worrying
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ASTON VILLA have averted their first crisis after reaching an agreement with HMRC over their outstanding £4.2million tax bill.
SunSport can reveal Villa have made a substantial down-payment of £500,000 today and will follow that up with further payments next week.
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Why doesn't William go and have a word with Granny and make HMRC go away ?
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The minus 10 points...What are our chances of staying up.?.....this is the pit of misery after all. .............just realised it isn’t the pit
I think it’s 12 points now
Not worried, we've been that far behind the running after 6-7 games for 2 years running now and been ok.
Ha ha! Not far from my thoughts too!
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Why doesn't William go and have a word with Granny and make HMRC go away ?
or even look at the back of his sofa for some loose change
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Signposts on the road to where we are now that we ignored.
Doing a secret deal with MON that made Lerner and the club look weak and stupid.
Appointing Gerard Houllier despite his health
Randy flying to Corsica to beg Alex McLeish to work his magic on us.
Alex McLeish punching the air at the final whistle of a match we had drawn.
Paul Lambert's bomb squad.
The alleged bullying of young players by Lambert's assistants.
Young and hungry.
Lambert bragging about fan expectations being reduced.
Sherwood throwing the continental players under the bus.
Remi Garde leaving without a whimper.
Black letting the relegated team turn in the wind and do nothing to prepare for the Championship.
KMac sticking two fingers up to the club and the fans at Tottenham.
RDM see Remi Garde (above)
The entire impression of making it up as they went along triumvirate of Tony Xia, Steve Bruce and Keir Wyness. No plan A No plan B. Just bluster and bullshit to cover plans made on the hoof.
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I think the real rot set in about 15 years ago or more. Football was changing and we didn't have a board that could move with the times; from one season to another things were always up in the air. 3 or 4 seasons of stability under Lerner before the lack of real structure at the club surfaced again in a different guise. Then all of the stuff Brian posted happened.
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Wonder if Mervyn King might be tempted back to have a look at things.
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ASTON VILLA have averted their first crisis after reaching an agreement with HMRC over their outstanding £4.2million tax bill.
S**Sport can reveal Villa have made a substantial down-payment of £500,000 today and will follow that up with further payments next week.
Do you have to quote those ****** mate?
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I think the real rot set in about 15 years ago or more. Football was changing and we didn't have a board that could move with the times; from one season to another things were always up in the air. 3 or 4 seasons of stability under Lerner before the lack of real structure at the club surfaced again in a different guise. Then all of the stuff Brian posted happened.
Look at Spurs. They were always in turmoil compared to us. One Daniel Levy and a Pochettino later...
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Not that I wouldn't have been happier had we been promoted, but if Xia's problem is that he effectively doesn't have any cash he can give the club, then this would have happened eventually anyway. £100 million or no, we'd still have been spunking multi millions every month, just more of it in the pursuit of staying up. What's happened is undoubtedly a terrible thing, but if it's come to a head now it could be at a fraction of the damage we could have sustained had we had a tilt in the Prem.
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Not that I wouldn't have been happier had we been promoted, but if Xia's problem is that he effectively doesn't have any cash he can give the club, then this would have happened eventually anyway. £100 million or no, we'd still have been spunking multi millions every month, just more of it in the pursuit of staying up. What's happened is undoubtedly a terrible thing, but if it's come to a head now it could be at a fraction of the damage we could have sustained had we had a tilt in the Prem.
Promotion or not this day was always going to come. You can only bet and double down so many times. Tony, while passionate, proved his naivety. I don't want to call him a fool, but it's looking more and more apparent as the information regarding the matter comes out.
I know he's big into Twitter and he sees what the supporters are saying, he must feel heavy with guilt.
I just cannot believe this is happening again.
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I feel fucking sick. Thanks Randy and Dr X for destroying my football club. Well done!
Randy yes, I genuinely think Xia did his best to get us up
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ASTON VILLA have averted their first crisis after reaching an agreement with HMRC over their outstanding £4.2million tax bill.
S**Sport can reveal Villa have made a substantial down-payment of £500,000 today and will follow that up with further payments next week.
Do you have to quote those c***s mate?
I shouldn't, all things considered, but it was Sky's City Editor who broke the story and clearly had the sources.
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I feel fucking sick. Thanks Randy and Dr X for destroying my football club. Well done!
Randy yes, I genuinely think Xia did his best to get us up
I would say Xia appears to be very similar to Randy, just Randy wasn’t skint.
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I'm not demanding hourly Twitter updates or anything but some sort of communication from the club would nice. God knows what I want them to say though...
Edit, I did get an email from them this morning, offering discounts in the club shop.
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Much as i'd like to know what the actual situation is, i'd rather wait and get something meaningful and accurate from the club rather than them say some half arsed appeasement guff. And I can't see them being ready to say anything yet until they fully know how fecked we are, or aren't, and what the likely outcome is going to be.
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Couldn’t see this anywhere. Latest from Sky...
Aston Villa reach agreement with HMRC to stave off immediate threat of administration
Last Updated: 06/06/18 7:54pm
Aston Villa have reached an agreement with the tax authorities to stave off the immediate threat of administration, Sky Sports News understands.
We have been told HMRC are content with an arrangement whereby the club pays £1.2m by the end of this week - around half of the money it owes in unpaid tax - after an immediate payment of £500,000 was made earlier on Wednesday.
As a result, HMRC has shelved its plans to issue legal proceedings against Villa, via a winding up order in the courts.
The club have given guarantees that a further £700,000 will be paid before the weekend, and are working on a short-term solution to their cash flow issues, so that the remaining £1.2m can be paid quickly, and to HMRC's satisfaction.
It is thought the club are confident that in the longer term they will be able to pay all of their bills and make the accounts sustainable again, though this may involve the sale of some of their better players.
Part of the cash flow problem is related to the fact that Villa are not currently earning any matchday income in the close season, though they have sold 17,000 season tickets.
It has also emerged, following discussion with confidential sources, that - whilst Villa's owner, Tony Xia, is prepared to sell the club for the right price - his preferred option is to find new investors to work alongside him, so that he remains in overall control.
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Part of the cash flow problem is related to the fact that Villa are not currently earning any matchday income in the close season, though they have sold 17,000 season tickets.
I always knew that this crazy new invention of no club football for a couple of months in the summer would catch someone out. I miss going down VP in June and July to watch us play.
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Wonder if Mervyn King might be tempted back to have a look at things.
Think it’s become apparent that King and Bernstein resigned because they knew the incoming Xia and Wyness model wasn’t sustainable and no promotion in two years would equal a shitstorm of quite epic proportions.
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Find new investors but remain in overall control.
The above might be bullshit but the chances of that happening are close to zero.
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Jesus wept
We might have been able to predict no matchday income in June
There is no fucking way that anyone is going to invest alongside Xia
He will have to sell. The question is when does he bite the bullet. I fear he'll drag it out for so long that we're really screwed
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Yes I can see it’d be hugely tempting to be invest...
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It sounds completely deluded. More fantasist rubbish. Not encouraging at all.
'' You know that club I fucked up who are on their arse and hemorrhaging money left right and centre? Well fancy buying in to it and letting me spunk some of your money instead?''
''Oh yeah, I retain control by the way''
The only person on this planet stupid enough to invest would be Randolph Lerner.
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I feel fucking sick. Thanks Randy and Dr X for destroying my football club. Well done!
Randy yes, I genuinely think Xia did his best to get us up
I would say Xia appears to be very similar to Randy, just Randy wasn’t skint.
You don't believe he can't get his money out?
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Jesus wept
We might have been able to predict no matchday income in June
There is no fucking way that anyone is going to invest alongside Xia
He will have to sell. The question is when does he bite the bullet. I fear he'll drag it out for so long that we're really screwed
Depends on how much and how quickly he can raise cash and how soon he runs out of it.
If as is being reported that he is taking Insolvency advise he would need to sell to avoid Administration, unfortunately the diligence and sale process takes time.
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It sounds completely deluded. More fantasist rubbish. Not encouraging at all.
'' You know that club I fucked up who are on their arse and hemorrhaging money left right and centre? Well fancy buying in to it and letting me spunk some of your money instead?''
''Oh yeah, I retain control by the way''
The only person on this planet stupid enough to invest would be Randolph Lerner.
Thanks, that did make me chuckle.
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I feel fucking sick. Thanks Randy and Dr X for destroying my football club. Well done!
Randy yes, I genuinely think Xia did his best to get us up
I would say Xia appears to be very similar to Randy, just Randy wasn’t skint.
You don't believe he can't get his money out?
If the stories about the banks lending us money to pay the tax bill are true, Xia must have some assets tucked away in order to guarantee the loan. Given our current state, and the quite obviously stuffed financial forecast there isn't a bank on earth that would give us unsecured debt at this point.
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I feel fucking sick. Thanks Randy and Dr X for destroying my football club. Well done!
Randy yes, I genuinely think Xia did his best to get us up
I would say Xia appears to be very similar to Randy, just Randy wasn’t skint.
You don't believe he can't get his money out?
Personally I don’t believe he’s got the proverbial pot to piss in. He’s pawned all the silver and now he’s fucked.
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How can we plan anything for the new season, all Xia has done is keep the wolf from the door for another month. What happens come July? We still don’t know if Bruce is staying or going.
The fact he’s looking for investors worries me as it’s never going to happen, why would anyone entrust their capital to a man whose created our biggest crisis in our 144 year history.
The only way we move on from this is a complete sale. Until that happens we are in deep deep trouble and doesn’t send any positive message to the players or staff ahead of the season starting.
Hopefully this American puts something concrete on the table ASAP and at least forces Xia to seriously consider it.
I don’t feel anymore confident tonight than I did last night about our long term future as a club. To be royally skint after having to watch Tony asset strip the life out of us will be sickening. Genuinely don’t know how he thinks he can stay on!? Why would the fans trust our future to an owner who has shafted us royally?
He has to go. Position is untenable
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It sounds completely deluded. More fantasist rubbish. Not encouraging at all.
'' You know that club I fucked up who are on their arse and hemorrhaging money left right and centre? Well fancy buying in to it and letting me spunk some of your money instead?''
''Oh yeah, I retain control by the way''
The only person on this planet stupid enough to invest would be Randolph Lerner.
Aye. I'll be honest, I'm struggling to see the incentive there in that scenario.
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Lucky he passed the fit and proper persons test :-/
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Why would anyone buy? He’s going to have to give it away ultimately for a token price.
The only question, and the worry for us is “when?”.
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He has been putting £4m in every month. Every month.
That's not a good thing..it's scary. But he's obviously had access to some pretty big money
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I'm not demanding hourly Twitter updates or anything but some sort of communication from the club would nice. God knows what I want them to say though...
Edit, I did get an email from them this morning, offering discounts in the club shop.
They've probably had the broadband disconnected.
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When I read that Xia turned up to the Recon We’re Fucked Training Centre in an Uber just before the final I did worry that maybe he wasn’t the billionaire we all thought he was.
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But was it an Uber car or an Uber helicopter?
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But was it an Uber car or an Uber helicopter?
Also, if it's surge pricing, an Uber can be more expensive than a helicopter.
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When I read that Xia turned up to the Recon We’re Fucked Training Centre in an Uber just before the final I did worry that maybe he wasn’t the billionaire we all thought he was.
Point of order - some of us never believed he was a billionaire.
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Jesus wept
We might have been able to predict no matchday income in June
There is no fucking way that anyone is going to invest alongside Xia
He will have to sell. The question is when does he bite the bullet. I fear he'll drag it out for so long that we're really screwed
yep. We get paid less when there's no games on? I always thought SKY turned up all summer and filmed the empty pitch while throwing £50 notes from the camera gantry
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Wonder if Mervyn King might be tempted back to have a look at things.
The same guy whose job it was to keep an eye on the likes of RBS and Lloyds before they needed a 500m bailout ??
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Of course they knew there wasn’t any games on in June, that’s why they waited until then to dig the pitch up. They aren’t stupid you know.
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Jesus wept
We might have been able to predict no matchday income in June
There is no fucking way that anyone is going to invest alongside Xia
He will have to sell. The question is when does he bite the bullet. I fear he'll drag it out for so long that we're really screwed
I wonder, if it comes to it, could Xia be "forced" to sell in a similar way to Gillett and Hicks, a few years back?
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How can we plan anything for the new season, all Xia has done is keep the wolf from the door for another month. What happens come July? We still don’t know if Bruce is staying or going.
The fact he’s looking for investors worries me as it’s never going to happen, why would anyone entrust their capital to a man whose created our biggest crisis in our 144 year history.
The only way we move on from this is a complete sale. Until that happens we are in deep deep trouble and doesn’t send any positive message to the players or staff ahead of the season starting.
Hopefully this American puts something concrete on the table ASAP and at least forces Xia to seriously consider it.
I don’t feel anymore confident tonight than I did last night about our long term future as a club. To be royally skint after having to watch Tony asset strip the life out of us will be sickening. Genuinely don’t know how he thinks he can stay on!? Why would the fans trust our future to an owner who has shafted us royally?
He has to go. Position is untenable
Mirror article said we'd kept Bruce to keep stability on the playing side while the club tries to sort itself out off the pitch.
Probably not the worst move in the world with present state of affairs but long term it will mean another wasted season.
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Of course they knew there wasn’t any games on in June, that’s why they waited until then to dig the pitch up. They aren’t stupid you know.
I just hope there is enough money to pay for the pitch
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Probably not the worst move in the world with present state of affairs but long term it will mean another wasted season.
We've had 22 in a row, what's one more?
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I think next season is already a write off anyway. The only question being can Bruce marshall his diminished troops to stave off relegation?
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I got battered on here after the final for wanting stability next season. Fcuk me I think every man Jack would take it now.
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Of course they knew there wasn’t any games on in June, that’s why they waited until then to dig the pitch up. They aren’t stupid you know.
I just hope there is enough money to pay for the pitch
I drove past this afternoon , the work is underway.Whether it gets finished though.
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Of course they knew there wasn’t any games on in June, that’s why they waited until then to dig the pitch up. They aren’t stupid you know.
I just hope there is enough money to pay for the pitch
I drove past this afternoon , the work is underway.Whether it gets finished though.
I'm surprised they let you drive down the touchline.
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How many clubs have had such a succession of shit owners?
Bendalls: North Stand fiasco and managed to piss off our most successful manager in modern times.
Ellis: Relegation, Turner, McNeil, Venglos etc, the share issue and managed to sell the club to the fuckwit Lerner.
Lerner: Fuckwit who sold the club to Xia.
Xia: Fuckwit who managed to put the world famous AVFC into administration. (Even if we manage to pull through this, there's no future for him at AVFC. Too many bridges burned.)
Charlatans the fucking lot of em!
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I got battered on here after the final for wanting stability next season. Fcuk me I think every man Jack would take it now.
I sure would.
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How many clubs have had such a succession of shit owners?
Bendalls: North Stand fiasco and managed to piss off our most successful manager in modern times.
Ellis: Relegation, Turner, McNeil, Venglos etc, the share issue and managed to sell the club to the fuckwit Lerner.
Lerner: Fuckwit who sold the club to Xia.
Xia: Fuckwit who managed to put the world famous AVFC into administration. (Even if we manage to pull through this, there's no future for him at AVFC. Too many bridges burned.)
Charlatans the fucking lot of em!
I don't think Tim Burgess, Martin Blunt et al could have done a worse job
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Nice Charlatans connection. Good one!
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Any excuse...
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Of course they knew there wasn’t any games on in June, that’s why they waited until then to dig the pitch up. They aren’t stupid you know.
I just hope there is enough money to pay for the pitch
I drove past this afternoon , the work is underway.Whether it gets finished though.
Maybe the local garden centre can come and lay a bit of turf and stick their name next to it as a promo for free.
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Doug still has a few tonnes of green sand he'll let us have for a song.
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Collymore saying that Wyness went behind Tony's back and pitched the club to a few potential buyers on the cheap.
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Collymore saying that Wyness went behind Tony's back and pitched the club to a few potential buyers on the cheap.
Sounds like he was at least trying to do something to save the situation.
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Collymore saying that Wyness went behind Tony's back and pitched the club to a few potential buyers on the cheap.
Sounds like he was at least trying to do something to save the situation.
Didn't even consider that side of it, tbh. I guess instead of getting the biggest profit for Tony, you could come to assumption that Wyness wanted to get the club out of his hands as quickly and easily as possible. Not very loyal to a man that brought you back into football with a big job at a big club.
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Collymore saying that Wyness went behind Tony's back and pitched the club to a few potential buyers on the cheap.
Sounds like he was at least trying to do something to save the situation.
Or he was trying to save his own neck and fuck his boss over at the same time.
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Collymore saying that Wyness went behind Tony's back and pitched the club to a few potential buyers on the cheap.
Sounds like he was at least trying to do something to save the situation.
Or he was trying to save his own neck and fuck his boss over at the same time.
That's the angle I am assuming ...at the very least Wyness picked Bruce so is culpable for his failures .The question is who had final say on transfers and wages
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Collymore saying that Wyness went behind Tony's back and pitched the club to a few potential buyers on the cheap.
Sounds like he was at least trying to do something to save the situation.
Or he was trying to save his own neck and fuck his boss over at the same time.
That's the angle I am assuming ...at the very least Wyness picked Bruce so is culpable for his failures .The question is who had final say on transfers and wages
There'd be no point of a CEO if it wasn't the CEO.
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Collymore saying that Wyness went behind Tony's back and pitched the club to a few potential buyers on the cheap.
Sounds like he was at least trying to do something to save the situation.
Or he was trying to save his own neck and fuck his boss over at the same time.
Sounds like he was acting a little shadily,, but the fact that the money from Xia has been drying up for some time now is surely the primary problem and concern?
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Obviously the money situation is the most important, but that's totally different to whether Wyness was trying to save the club or his own neck. We have no idea at present. It may all have been very altruistic on his part, or he could have been a backstabbing twat that was hawking around confidential info in an attempt to get in with a new owner and cover his own incompetence.
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Collymore saying that Wyness went behind Tony's back and pitched the club to a few potential buyers on the cheap.
Sounds like he was at least trying to do something to save the situation.
Or he was trying to save his own neck and fuck his boss over at the same time.
That's the angle I am assuming ...at the very least Wyness picked Bruce so is culpable for his failures .The question is who had final say on transfers and wages
There'd be no point of a CEO if it wasn't the CEO.
A CEO reports to the Chairman and operates the business for the benefit of the shareholders and in this case the Chairman and Shreholders is Xia.
There would be a Financial limit under which the CEO would operate and major expenditure would require the Authority of the Chairman.
So it is unlikely that Transfers would be conducted without Xia approval.
Also Xia had Rongtian He as his daily eyes and ears at the club and knowing how the Chinese work he would have been sending regular updates back to Xia.
So the idea that Wyness was running the club off his own bat is far fetched to say the least.
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I'm worried about the future because if history is any guide we will continue to stumble from one crisis to another. Apart from the occasional brief respite we've been badly owned and managed for pretty much the past century. That's who we are.
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Well for most of my lifetime we've been a stable top flight side that occasionally had a really enjoyable season and I'd be happy with that for a while
Obviously I wasn't at the time. And I probably wouldn't be after three years because like other football fans I'm essentially a delusional idiot when it comes to my team. But right now I'd be very happy with that.
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/american-football/roman-abramovich-rejects-approach-to-sell-chelsea-as-britains-richest-man-and-manchester-united-fan-jim-ratcliffe-makes-an-approach-to-buy/ar-AAyp8rL?ocid=spartanntp
come and buy us you glory hunting plastic billionaire
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Does anybody ITK know what the current state of the pitch replacement is? I know it could be academic if we end up ground sharing with Alvechurch as West Midlands Villa Village ( 2018) FC next season but it’s a minor worry that keeps nagging away at me. Probably what’s left of my brain trying to distract me from the bigger Pit of Misery worries.
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On Saturday they were cracking on with it...
(https://thumb.ibb.co/hEuXL8/PHOTO_2018_06_09_21_47_17.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hEuXL8)
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On Saturday they were cracking on with it...
(https://thumb.ibb.co/hEuXL8/PHOTO_2018_06_09_21_47_17.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hEuXL8)
Apparently we are trying to get at least one crop of Malayan Skunk in before we have to sow the other grass seed....needs must an all that
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Swings and roundabouts, that'll mean turning the lights on.
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On Saturday they were cracking on with it...
(https://thumb.ibb.co/hEuXL8/PHOTO_2018_06_09_21_47_17.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hEuXL8)
Apparently we are trying to get at least one crop of Malayan Skunk in before we have to sow the other grass seed....needs must an all that
It might just make another season of Bruceball bearable.
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Can't seem to post the link but read an interesting article by Mark Dreyer on Supchina.com
Tags decline if Aston Villa under its enigmatic Chinese owner
Https//Supchina.com/2018/06/09
Also on TWITTER Mark Dreyer@DreyerChina
Depressing reading
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On Saturday they were cracking on with it...
(https://thumb.ibb.co/hEuXL8/PHOTO_2018_06_09_21_47_17.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hEuXL8)
Thanks ! That's one glimmer of good news.....
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Can't seem to post the link but read an interesting article by Mark Dreyer on Supchina.com
https://supchina.com/2018/06/09/the-decline-of-aston-villa-under-its-enigmatic-chinese-owner/
Also on TWITTER Mark Dreyer@DreyerChina
Depressing reading
Ftfy.
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Worrying article, but Wyness doesn't come out of it with any credit. Just what exactly has he done in the past that amounts to a "long history of screwing over other football clubs"?
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This bit made me chuckle.
Lotus has been losing money consistently for the past 15 years, with those in charge blaming old equipment and too many employees (without appearing to rectify either problem
Nice to see he's transfered some of his business skills into Football at least!
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What’s so bloody frustrating is that it doesn’t take millions and millions or genius to get out of this league. It just takes a sensible plan and a manager who can think on his feet. The ludicrous approach of massively overspending on older players was so unnecessary and flawed.
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On Saturday they were cracking on with it...
(https://thumb.ibb.co/hEuXL8/PHOTO_2018_06_09_21_47_17.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hEuXL8)
Erm...I think that’s the finished version.
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Too soon?
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Too silly?
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You can’t do silly on this site anymore. Except for your Steve Curry joke that is.
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Too soft?