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Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: martin@ardenley on October 18, 2005, 10:32:00 AM
from givemefootball.com

Aston Villa fans´ groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later.

Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday´s annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential investors will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.

VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Stu on October 18, 2005, 10:34:39 AM
Why do VFC get so much publicity?  Didn't JF storm out of the AGM like a big baby recently?  I can't believe journo's still take him seriously.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mazrim on October 18, 2005, 10:35:24 AM
Poppycock.

We need investment to have a crack at the top 5 or so, yes. As it is I think we'll steadily improve with this current squad until we're knocking on the European door. Defenitely need some cover in the Jan window and hopefully we'll have rich new overlords by then.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Poppycock.

We need investment to have a crack at the top 5 or so, yes. As it is I think we'll steadily improve with this current squad until we're knocking on the European door. Defenitely need some cover in the Jan window and hopefully we'll have rich new overlords by then.


One win over a shit team and we're going to be challenging for Europe Maz?  Reality check required I think.  When was the last time we recorded back to back wins?  We should do this week, but knowing Villa we'll go and balls it up against Wigan.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 18, 2005, 10:41:13 AM
First Mr Fear was unhppy about Ellis not talking to to Ranson about his bid. Now he's unhappy because he's talking to somebody else about a bid. Had Ranson offered him a job or is he just a permanantly unhappy man?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Andy Poole on October 18, 2005, 10:41:41 AM
Who is Jonathan Fear?
Really...i don't know who he is, or what, if any, experience he has of running a Premiership football club?
What are his qualifications for spouting bollocks

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VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."


Qualify backwards Mr Fear?...you may use your family tree!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: the weatherman on October 18, 2005, 10:42:39 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Had Ranson offered him a job?


That crossed my mind when i read it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Stu on October 18, 2005, 10:43:11 AM
Thats what I mean Chris, why does anyone take the first bit of notice of anything he has to say?  No matter what HDE does it will never be good enough for Jon Fear.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 18, 2005, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: "Andy Poole"
Who is Jonathan Fear?
Really...i don't know who he is, or what, if any, experience he has of running a Premiership football club?
What are his qualifications for spouting bollocks

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VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."


Qualify backwards Mr Fear?...you may use your family tree!


Well this could get silly, who are you to say Jonathan Fear has no right to an opinion? Generally in a three year cycle we seem to take one step forward and two steps back, this summer we seem to have taken a forward step with our investment, but will we maintain it?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Andy Poole on October 18, 2005, 10:48:41 AM
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Andy Poole wrote:
Who is Jonathan Fear?
Really...i don't know who he is, or what, if any, experience he has of running a Premiership football club?
What are his qualifications for spouting bollocks

Quote:
VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."


Qualify backwards Mr Fear?...you may use your family tree!


Well this could get silly, who are you to say Jonathan Fear has no right to an opinion? Generally in a three year cycle we seem to take one step forward and two steps back, this summer we seem to have taken a forward step with our investment, but will we maintain it?


I don't go around claiming to represent Villa fans, he does....he claims to speak on my behalf yet i have never ever met the man
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 18, 2005, 10:50:38 AM
Quote from: "Andy Poole"


I don't go around claiming to represent Villa fans, he does....he claims to speak on my behalf yet i have never ever met the man


When has he ever claimed to speak on your behalf? I've never seen him claim to be the voice of all Villa fans. He represents a group of Villa fans.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 10:52:23 AM
What is there to disagree with in the statement?  If we don't get investment, we WILL keep going backwards.  Most of the comments on this thread are just criticising for the pure sake of it.

And I really can't see how the journalist's spin on it can be obtained from what Jon actually said.  How do you get to
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Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid


from
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Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future


Where does he say he's sceptical about anything.  he just says we need investment, which we do.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Villa Lion on October 18, 2005, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: "Risso"

  When was the last time we recorded back to back wins?  We should do this week, but knowing Villa we'll go and balls it up against Wigan.


why should we, wigan are playing well, it wont be the walk in the park we all thought it would be at the start of the season.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Red Robbo on October 18, 2005, 10:54:33 AM
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Most of the comments on this thread are just criticising for the pure sake of it.


They've something in common with VFC then.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: "Red Robbo"
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Most of the comments on this thread are just criticising for the pure sake of it.


They've something in common with VFC then.


Yeah, Ellis has never done anything worthy of criticism has he?  Hang on, didn't somebody once stand in the election on an "Ellis Out" ticket?  I guess he must have done something bad once then.  Marches and red card protests are futile, but that was going to end with the person concerned representing us in Parliament was it?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Barron on October 18, 2005, 10:57:57 AM
More quotes on football365


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Aston Villa fans' groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later.

Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday's annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential investors will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.

VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."

Villa have already rejected a £47million takeover bid from a consortium including former Manchester City player Ray Ranson in July.

Fear added: "You can't keep flirting with relegation forever and, for the chairman to say we are going for Europe without any investment, is an insult to the fans.

"At the AGM I did question Mr Ellis on whether he had confused the Champions League with the Championship. He didn't answer - but, if we continue down the road we are on at present, that quip could just become reality."

Fear added: "I truly hope that AGM was the last pro-active action anyone involved with VFC and the Aston Villa Shareholders' Association have to take and that the board of AVFC are honestly considering a takeover proposal.

"However, it has to be said, that the timing is more than a little convenient. The same happened before last year's AGM and the same excuses for not answering our questions were given.

"They suggested virtually no questions could be answered because of the rules of the City. Two years in a row, two years of losses, two years of poor on-the-field performances and two years where they couldn't answer questions.

"If people don't come forward and genuinely bid, and at the moment there is no official bid but just an approach and enquiry, then the club, both on the field and on the accountants' sheets, will continue to stagnate or fall behind our competitors."
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 18, 2005, 11:06:04 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
What is there to disagree with in the statement?  If we don't get investment, we WILL keep going backwards.  Most of the comments on this thread are just criticising for the pure sake of it.

And I really can't see how the journalist's spin on it can be obtained from what Jon actually said.  How do you get to
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Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid


from
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Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future


Where does he say he's sceptical about anything.  he just says we need investment, which we do.


I trust he will be doing something about his views being falsely reported then.

The problem I have with VFC is that they are always represented in the media as being an Umbrella organisation for fans groups when they are no such thing. If they were reported that way once then I'd give them the benefit of the doubt but when it happens repeatedly with no apparent effort made to correct this misrepresentation then they lose credibility in my eyes because it does appear as though they are claiming to speak on behalf of the wider fanbase. Whether that is there intrention or not is neither here nor there if they don't do anything to counter it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 18, 2005, 11:06:58 AM
How can they moan about investment when this summer we spent a fair bit of cash building a squad DOL wants.

It's not just about spending money, look at everton last year and bolton and charlton they don't spend shit loads but they are doing well.

And unless jon fear has a huge amount of money that he himself can invest in aston villa then i'd wish he would shut the fuck up. he is the exact reason villa fans have a repuation for being a bunch of moaning bastards.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 18, 2005, 11:08:32 AM
Quote from: "The Supreme Commander Allied Villa Fans Europe, King of Kings, Star of Stage, Screen and Emmerdale Farm, Tsar of All the Russias, Most Merciful Monarch, CSE (Grade 5) Woodwork and Bar"
"You can't keep flirting with relegation forever and, for the chairman to say we are going for Europe without any investment, is an insult to the fans.


Plonker!

Quote from: "The Supreme Commander Allied Villa Fans Europe, King of Kings, Star of Stage, Screen and Emmerdale Farm, Tsar of All the Russias, Most Merciful Monarch, CSE (Grade 5) Woodwork and Bar"
"At the AGM I did question Mr Ellis on whether he had confused the Champions League with the Championship. He didn't answer..."


It’s called treating a question with the contempt it deserves.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 18, 2005, 11:09:12 AM
Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.

Predictable.

21 pages at least.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 11:13:58 AM
He must have done something to rattle Doug, as he got a fair bit of discussion on SSN on Saturday.  If he's helped Doug decide to get out a bit sooner by even 1%, it's all been worthwhile in my eyes.

And spending a fair amount of money this summer hasn't yet made up for the under investment in the previous 2-3 years.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 18, 2005, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.

Predictable.

21 pages at least.


Perhaps it’s because while it is quite amusing to see Fear make a complete plonker of himself, people aren’t so keen for him to drag the rest of Villadom through the mud.    

By the way, the only truly predictable thing here is that VFC should try to hijack a good Villa story and make their perpetually dark cloud eclipse a silver lining.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 18, 2005, 11:20:01 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.

Predictable.


Shouldn't that be, stomps his foot and screams and screams until he's sick?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: "Mac"


Shouldn't that be, stomps his foot and holds


What does that mean exactly?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 18, 2005, 11:31:09 AM
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.

Predictable.


Shouldn't that be, stomps his foot and holds and screams and screams until he's sick?


Perhaps you missed the point, Mac.

It may be that he wanted everybody to join in with a big musical number:

“Clap hands

Stamp your feet.

Bang it on a big bass drum.

What a travesty

What a travesty

Rum tiddley um pum pum pum pum

Stick it in yer AGM album.”
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 11:32:12 AM
Well at least it looks like it got Disco posting again, so it's not all bad.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 18, 2005, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Well at least it looks like it got Disco posting again, so it's not all bad.


Is there anything these VFC jokers won’t erroneously attempt to take credit for?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Karl Bridges on October 18, 2005, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.

Predictable.

21 pages at least.



Do you see him as some sort of angel then?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 18, 2005, 11:43:10 AM
Would any VFC types care to explain how a club that’s only twice finished outside the top flight’s top ten in the last fourteen years is “flirting with relegation forever”?

By the way, it seems that members of the fundamentalist wing of the Fear Groupies are getting quite upset.

I predict a riot.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 18, 2005, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Jon Fear flaps his wings and a thunderstorm happens in H&V land.

Predictable.

21 pages at least.



Do you see him as some sort of angel then?


Fear’s about as effective as Angel – constantly offside and always fires well wide of the target.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 11:50:31 AM
nit pickers of the world unite  :smt009

Look guys Ellis is going to go, thus the need for any protest goes and if someone takes us private ala Glazier then you can forget about any kind of groups.

The future is bright.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ozzjim on October 18, 2005, 11:51:55 AM
Or always does the hard work, beat the man, then picks up his ball and cries off home when someone tries to tackle him. He reminds me of a kid in school who had one argument, and when he was losing would stomp of and claim he was being bullied.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: BW on October 18, 2005, 11:52:37 AM
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Would any VFC types care to explain how a club that’s only twice finished outside the top flight’s top ten in the last fourteen years is “flirting with relegation forever”?


That's up there with the amount we spent on Djemba Djemba ...  ](*,)

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Look guys Ellis is going to go, thus the need for any protest goes and if someone takes us private ala Glazier then you can forget about any kind of groups.


That touches on something I was thinking about - once Ellis goes, who are we going to blame for bad performances? The players?  :-k
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 18, 2005, 12:00:38 PM
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That touches on something I was thinking about - once Ellis goes, who are we going to blame for bad performances? The players?


Thatcher, everything else is her fault.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: deanl123 on October 18, 2005, 12:01:25 PM
Jonathan Fear is entitled to his opinion.

I am also entitled to mine "He's a Egotistical tosser"

By the way I'm speaking on behalf of the CVF (Combined Villa Fans)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 18, 2005, 12:03:20 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
nit pickers of the world unite  :smt009

Look guys Ellis is going to go, thus the need for any protest goes and if someone takes us private ala Glazier then you can forget about any kind of groups.

The future is bright.


It's a bit more than nit picking when the guy's standing up proclaiming this and that, frequently wide of the mark comments, as if he represents the majority of Villa fans.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: NeilH on October 18, 2005, 12:04:14 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
nit pickers of the world unite  :smt009

Look guys Ellis is going to go, thus the need for any protest goes and if someone takes us private ala Glazier then you can forget about any kind of groups.

The future is bright.


I don't get that why when Ellis goes, the club will have an epiphany and rocket up the league. What possible reason do we have to suggest anything will change in the forthcoming. Are we going to get a whole new squad of players, a new manager, training facilities to rival Man U and a gold plated stadium?

Do you honestly believe that any new consortia is the answer, when we don't know anything about them (If indeed they do exist)?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 18, 2005, 12:04:15 PM
Quote from: "deanl123"
Jonathan Fear is entitled to his opinion.

I am also entitled to mine "He's a Egotistical tosser"

By the way I'm speaking on behalf of the CVF (Combined Villa Fans)


You people in the CVF should be working with VFT, Villa Fans Together - the true voice of Villa fans.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: richardhubbard on October 18, 2005, 12:13:42 PM
I hope when we are sold, VFC retire!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 12:21:45 PM
Neil, not sure why you think there is no consortuim because if there isn't Ellis should be jailed.

We don;t know who is involved but everyone excepts Ellis's time is over even him so we can just to who is bidding.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: richardhubbard on October 18, 2005, 12:24:34 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Neil, not sure why you think there is no consortuim because if there isn't Ellis should be jailed.

We don;t know who is involved but everyone excepts Ellis's time is over even him so we can just to who is bidding.

Ian you are a total idiot! by should Ellis be jailed. People like you are gonna be so bored when we he does leave
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 12:27:02 PM
Richard We are a PLc and Ellis on national TV (sky) said that tehre were two consortuims, this has an immediate impact on shareprices, thus if he lies he was misleading the city and shareholders that is a jailable offence.

I don't believe for one minute he is lying I firmly believe he has agreed a price and now all that is left is the fine print.

He is paving the way with teh training ground being his monument to the club as he could not build the North Stand,

I am thinking of an Ellis free future by December.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 18, 2005, 12:27:30 PM
No need to call anyone an idiot Richard.
He's entitled to his opinion.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: richardhubbard on October 18, 2005, 12:29:52 PM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
No need to call anyone an idiot Richard.
He's entitled to his opinion.

Fair comment, Mark
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 01:03:29 PM
Quote from: "Tony"


When has he ever claimed to speak on your behalf? I've never seen him claim to be the voice of all Villa fans. He represents a group of Villa fans.


He speaks on behalf of a group which claims to be an umbrella of Villa supporters' groups. In reality he represents maybe half a dozen of his friends. He's happy to be quoted as a fans' leader. That's why he gets so much stick.

Incidentally, this is what Jon Fear thinks of anyone who disagrees with him.

http://listman.net/archives/villa/2005-October/061553.html
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mazrim on October 18, 2005, 01:04:42 PM
Risso, I do believe this squad will get steadily better throughout the season. I've not seen anything from any other team bar Chelsea and maybe Man Utd to say that if we get a good run together we wont climb the league and challenge for a European place.

There are a few problems to iron out but we are showing [In my opinion] that we can score goals and play some good attacking football. Hopefully as the season progresses, we will settle down and be consistently strong.

We still have a very young team that are learning their trade and each others games. I'm certainly not worried about mixing it up at the wrong end of the table and I do expect a good run of results pretty soon.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 18, 2005, 01:25:05 PM
How very dare you feel positive about Aston Villa, Mazrim.

There’s only one word for your kind –






Supporter!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 01:27:05 PM
I'm very positive for the future
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: NeilH on October 18, 2005, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Neil, not sure why you think there is no consortuim because if there isn't Ellis should be jailed.

We don;t know who is involved but everyone excepts Ellis's time is over even him so we can just to who is bidding.


I was referring to the fact that just because he is talking doesn't make it a done deal by any stetch.

Where is the evidence that Ellis is about to accept? I think Doug's tenure is coming to a close, but there is nothing as yet to confirm if he is going to sell, or merely step aside his chairmanship role to someone else on the board.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: GaryShaw on October 18, 2005, 01:30:36 PM
I have been thinking about the VFCFearshareholdersgroup since the AGM and i have to admit they/he are still annoying. Get a fuckin girlfriend or take up a hobby but please stop releasing stupid press releases claiming all villa fans feel the same as you and your bedroom revolution gang.

You never answer questions put to you from the fans you claim to speak for, so im walking out.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mazrim on October 18, 2005, 01:30:47 PM
To be fair I usually agree with Risso. I'm nowhere near content with the Ellis era and although I do think he has done his best or at least cares a lot about Villa I do want him to quit now and sell Villa to folks who can take it forward.

I dont doubt for a second that if Dougula does sell Villa, it will be to somebody who can and will take us forward and I think its exciting but the current squad is young and potentially exciting. Its going to be a bit turbulent to start with but eventually we will have a great team.

Even better if we can add to our best players with a few world class performers courtesy of our new benefactors.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 01:35:51 PM
Got to go out now !!!

busy time typing this

Basically Neil if he was simply handing over to stride then why all the emotion on Sunday, he has seen us beat Blooz before, there is something else. He is openly talking about consortuims, he has set his own deadline of a month, he has not said anything about wanting to stay on.

the signs are that he is going.

If he wanted to hand over to Stride that could have been done at the AGM biut instead he annouced thaat we were in detailed talks on takeover.

It is happening
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 01:43:18 PM
Are you the same Ian who said when the Cisneros deal was first mooted that Doug was hanging on and it was only a matter of time?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Stu on October 18, 2005, 01:43:50 PM
If things are happening then I think we can be confident that ellis won't sell out to a bunch of asset strippers.  However, how many of you lot feel like me and are a bit concerned that there hasn't been any indication of the identity of at least one of these consortiums?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: NeilH on October 18, 2005, 01:48:58 PM
Sunday's emotion was an old man, in his twilight years savouring a win for the club he loves, in the knowledge that it'll probably be his last as chairman of the club, as he will retire very shortly. Anything else is just conjecture and we can make up all the conspiracy theories we want, but all we know right now is that we've had an approach that he is listening to. Hardly big news at the moment
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 18, 2005, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Well at least it looks like it got Disco posting again, so it's not all bad.


Another pseudonym -  and I thought that H&V had unearthed another writer with a very similar repartee.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 18, 2005, 01:54:21 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Richard We are a PLc and Ellis on national TV (sky) said that tehre were two consortuims, this has an immediate impact on shareprices, thus if he lies he was misleading the city and shareholders that is a jailable offence.

I don't believe for one minute he is lying I firmly believe he has agreed a price and now all that is left is the fine print.

He is paving the way with teh training ground being his monument to the club as he could not build the North Stand,

I am thinking of an Ellis free future by December.


If he is paving the way -  can we call him John the Baptist from now on?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 18, 2005, 01:56:17 PM
Whatever you say about Doug he must be a very forgiving person.

After all ianrobo has said about old Deadly over the years it’s clear the guy has magnanimously decided to share all of his future plans with his long-time adversary whom he fondly refers to as ‘Who?’.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Andy Poole on October 18, 2005, 01:56:51 PM
NeilH wrote
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Sunday's emotion was an old man, in his twilight years savouring a win for the club he loves, in the knowledge that it'll probably be his last as chairman of the club, as he will retire very shortly. Anything else is just conjecture


Surely that is conjecture?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: "Lee"
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Richard We are a PLc and Ellis on national TV (sky) said that tehre were two consortuims, this has an immediate impact on shareprices, thus if he lies he was misleading the city and shareholders that is a jailable offence.



Norman Stanley Herbert Douglas Ellis.

You have pleaded guilty to the charge of taking the piss out of Ian Robathan, and it is now my duty....

You know the rest.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 18, 2005, 02:08:00 PM
Well there are a few of us that can play Godber -  or will that be Steve Stride?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 18, 2005, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: "Lee"
Well there are a few of us that can play Godber...


Richard Beckinsale was somewhat taller than you.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mossa on October 18, 2005, 02:22:07 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I do want him to quit now and sell Villa to folks who can take it forward.


And so say all of us. But VFC just seem to want Villa sold. To anybody. ](*,)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: BW on October 18, 2005, 02:33:11 PM
Quote
I hope when we are sold, VFC retire!


As said a few months ago, it'll be a press release along the lines of

"We note with interest that we won"
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: "NeilH"
Sunday's emotion was an old man, in his twilight years savouring a win for the club he loves, in the knowledge that it'll probably be his last as chairman of the club, as he will retire very shortly. Anything else is just conjecture and we can make up all the conspiracy theories we want, but all we know right now is that we've had an approach that he is listening to. Hardly big news at the moment


no conspriarcy theories Neil but look at the evidence

1) Two admissions within three days that bidders are talking to the club

2) A heart to heart on Friday with DOL

3) DOL's and Ellis's reaction

4) share price heading towards probable bid price (550p)

5) No statement from Ellis stating he will be leaving in a box

6) No replacement for FD and CEO

All of these add up in my mind only one sceanrio that teh deal will do, whilst Neil you may want to wait for the ink to dry I am predicting it will happen soon, no inside info just looking at the evidence.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 18, 2005, 03:18:01 PM
Quote
He must have done something to rattle Doug, as he got a fair bit of discussion on SSN on Saturday.


Is the success of VFC is measured in column inches?

Cause and effect is a truly pliable science in VFC circles. As I pointed out on another AGM autopsy, the media spoke about the AGM because of the takeover talks. VFC/SA got in there as a loud anti-Doug voice. How that equates with rattling Doug is something only explicable in the alternative bubble in which VFC lives. DOUG was rattled (or put out) once in the AGM and that was when someone with no connection to VFC took it upon himself to claim no one could stand the sight of Doug.

As for the question about how do they get so much publicity, there are a number of outlets who require a story a day on every Premier League club, not least PA which feeds all these sites which pop up as the source of stories on here. Unsurprisingly, there are many days when sod all happens at a given club. I'll leave you to work out the cause and effect.

Just a couple of other points. VFC = fans' groups, or four flouncers, two associates and a couple of dozen members of apoplectics anonymous?

And what flirting with relegation?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2005, 03:44:02 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"

4) share price heading towards probable bid price (550p)


Not sure if this is significant but shares down 21p today to 479.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 18, 2005, 03:47:25 PM
Oh no! The market doesn't think there will be a takeover.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: themossman on October 18, 2005, 03:49:18 PM
sell! sell!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 18, 2005, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Tony"


When has he ever claimed to speak on your behalf? I've never seen him claim to be the voice of all Villa fans. He represents a group of Villa fans.


He speaks on behalf of a group which claims to be an umbrella of Villa supporters' groups. In reality he represents maybe half a dozen of his friends. He's happy to be quoted as a fans' leader. That's why he gets so much stick.

Incidentally, this is what Jon Fear thinks of anyone who disagrees with him.

http://listman.net/archives/villa/2005-October/061553.html


Dave when you get quoted in the press the comments are similar "What right has Dave got to say that, who does he think he is, he doesn't represent me" blah blah blah. I'm still yet to see a claim from Jon Fear himself proclaiming himself as a self styled leader of the rebel alliance or whatever.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 04:11:05 PM
First - when I talk to the media (which isn't very often, as I long ago realised it's more trouble than it's worth), I make it clear that I speak for nobody but myself. If they want to twist that into something else, that's their outlook, but as a general rule, I won't deal with anyone who makes me out to be a leader or spokesman of/for anything again.

Second - Jon Fear regularly contacts the media, describing himself as the spokesman for VFC, which he then describes as a coalition of Villa fans' groups (although VFC tends to be sketchy about what these groups are). He therefore is, by any definition, calling himself a fans' leader. He has also, no matter how much he protests about the phrase, never, to my knowledge, refused to speak to anyone who describes him in the terms he claims to dislike. I can therefore only presume that he's happy to be called a fans' leader.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2005, 04:15:20 PM
Quote
ianrobo wrote:

4) share price heading towards probable bid price (550p)


Not sure if this is significant but shares down 21p today to 479.




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Oh no! The market doesn't think there will be a takeover.

Or they have an inkling that the offer will be less than a fiver a share? :-k [/b]
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 04:16:52 PM
There are an awful lot of people out there who want to see the back of Ellis, and I'm sure that many of them agree with Jon's statements.  There may well be as many who think Doug's done a great job.  Nothing's stopping any of them forming a group or contacting the media.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 18, 2005, 04:16:53 PM
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to my knowledge, refused to speak to anyone who describes him in the terms he claims to dislike. I can therefore only presume that he's happy to be called a fans' leader.


And this is probably what winds most people up about him.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 04:18:22 PM
Quote from: "Big Daddy p 23"
Quote
to my knowledge, refused to speak to anyone who describes him in the terms he claims to dislike. I can therefore only presume that he's happy to be called a fans' leader.


And this is probably what winds most people up about him.


Most people?  Or a few people on H&V with an axe to grind?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 18, 2005, 04:18:31 PM
Quote
There are an awful lot of people out there who want to see the back of Ellis, and I'm sure that many of them agree with Jon's statements. There may well be as many who think Doug's done a great job. Nothing's stopping any of them forming a group or contacting the media.


However if that happened and then this new group made out like they spoke for the majority of villa fans, i bet Mr Fear and the old VFC wouldn't be to happy with that.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 04:19:38 PM
Quote from: "Big Daddy p 23"

However if that happened and then this new group made out like that spoke for the majority of villa fans, i bet Mr Fear and the old VFC would be to happy with that.


Want to try that again, but in English this time?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 18, 2005, 04:23:44 PM
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Most people? Or a few people on H&V with an axe to grind?


Wait i made out i was speaking on behalf of more people than i actually was and you weren't happy with this. Isn't that strange.

And yes i was rushing my post so it didn't come out great. Well done Risso you must be a much better man than me. I think it's pretty pathetic when during a discussion you have to bring in how someone has written their post.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mazrim on October 18, 2005, 04:23:45 PM
Gentleman. Can we not start with all this VFC bollocks again please.


We all want the best for Villa. Some of us differ slightly in how that is best achieved.
Most of us see a takeover by a reputable and financially sound group as the best way forward. It may or may not happen.

Lets wait and see.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 04:26:40 PM
Quote
Well done Risso you must be a much better man than me. I think it's pretty pathetic when during a discussion you have to bring in how someone has written their post.


Hang on a second, according to you, Jon Fear shouldn't comment on Ellis's chairmanship, because he hasn't had the intelligence to have amassed a personal fortune, and yet you can't string a simple sentence together so it's readable to other members of the site.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 18, 2005, 04:26:41 PM
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Most people? Or a few people on H&V with an axe to grind?


Although I disagree with the "axe to grind" bit, you've hit the nail on the head. I reckon I share the view of some (God knows how many) Villa fans. One of the things I like about coming on here or talking to other Villa fans is sharing those views - sometimes convincing other people of my view, sometimes being convinced by the view of others.

What I'm always prepared for is facing a contrary view. I welcome it because it helps inform and stops me disappearing up my own arse in the delluded belief that I hold all knowledge.

How has VFC reacted to contrary views?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 18, 2005, 04:28:20 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"

How has VFC reacted to contrary views?


They note things with interest?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 18, 2005, 04:32:39 PM
Quote
Hang on a second, according to you, Jon Fear shouldn't comment on Ellis's chairmanship, because he hasn't had the intelligence to have amassed a personal fortune, and yet you can't string a simple sentence together so it's readable to other members of the site.


I never said he shouldn't comment, i said i don't agree with some of his methods and doing nothing to stop this image that he speaks on behalf of villa fans. However there is a big difference between just a comment and telling doug directly to his face how things should be done and demanding his resignation. Just my opinion mind and notice how i've just stuck to the points you've made and not how you write them on an internet message board.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 18, 2005, 04:36:10 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Second - Jon Fear regularly contacts the media, describing himself as the spokesman for VFC, which he then describes as a coalition of Villa fans' groups (although VFC tends to be sketchy about what these groups are). He therefore is, by any definition, calling himself a fans' leader. He has also, no matter how much he protests about the phrase, never, to my knowledge, refused to speak to anyone who describes him in the terms he claims to dislike. I can therefore only presume that he's happy to be called a fans' leader.


I think there's a big difference between claiming to be a fans leader and claiming to speak for all fans, which is where the bulk of the criticism comes from, I've never had the impression that Jon Fear is claiming to speak for me, he does claim to speak for VFC and if the people in VFC don't like that then that's up to them to sort out.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 04:37:10 PM
so apparently we can not have freedom of speech and tell Ellis how he should ru(i)n OUR club.

fine you disagree with Jon's comments that is ok but the comments every time there is a VFC comment is daft, OTT and also very personal.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 18, 2005, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Quote from: "Simon Page"

How has VFC reacted to contrary views?


They note things with interest?


As it happens, they ignore it. They react to abuse and note occurrances.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 04:40:49 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"


fine you disagree with Jon's comments that is ok but the comments every time there is a VFC comment is daft, OTT and also very personal.


And we can't have personal comments, can we? That would never do.

VFC speak about the Villa. What gives them the divine right not to be spoken about by Villa supporters?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 18, 2005, 04:41:14 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
fine you disagree with Jon's comments that is ok but the comments every time there is a VFC comment is daft, OTT and also very personal.


Are you talking about VFC Ian?

The reason people comment on VFC is simple.  They make all Villa fans look like moaning whingers.  When 2 defeats can cause a protest and one win stops it.

Plus some of their idiotic statements/actions and timing of press releases makes it impossible not to pass comment.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2005, 04:41:26 PM
Quote from: "Tony"

he does claim to speak for VFC and if the people in VFC don't like that then that's up to them to sort out.


Whoever these people might be, if indeed there are people "in" VFC.

*ducks for cover*
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 18, 2005, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"

fine you disagree with Jon's comments that is ok but the comments every time there is a VFC comment is daft, OTT and also very personal.


Which could be said about some of the comments released by VFC about Doug.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 04:44:26 PM
what personal comments have they ever made about Ellis, or me or you guys etc.

It is fair comment to say that a sick 81 year old should not be in charge of a PLc and OUR football club.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 04:45:47 PM
I think anybody reading this thread or the countless others like it might also reach the conclusion that Villa fans are nothing but whingers.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 04:46:28 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
what personal comments have they ever made about Ellis, or me or you guys etc.



Ian, please tell me you're joking. What 'personal comments' have VFC and friends ever said about us? Are you serious?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 04:46:39 PM
Tony look at my post

WHAT personaal comments ?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 18, 2005, 04:47:02 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
what personal comments have they ever made about Ellis, or me or you guys etc.

It is fair comment to say that a sick 81 year old should not be in charge of a PLc and OUR football club.


I don't think that's a fair comment at all and think it's ageist and very personal.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 04:47:40 PM
Dave in their press release i haave not seen them call you names nor Mac nor anyone from this website or others.

Their comments are about ellis and a viewpoint that many share ?

WHAT personal comments about ELLIS ?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 18, 2005, 04:48:41 PM
I'm still trying to work out when all these relegations battles have been. Must have missed them as i can only recall 1 from the last 10 years or so.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 04:49:08 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Dave in their press release i haave not seen them call you names nor Mac nor anyone from this website or others.



Well I've never said anything about them in a press release, so now we're square.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 04:49:42 PM
Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.

Here is a test for name me a 81 year old who is an exec chairman and CEO of any other PLC ?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 04:53:17 PM
Quote from: "Tony"


I don't think that's a fair comment at all and think it's ageist and very personal.


Only as ageist as stock exchange rules that say directors shouldn't stand for re-election after the age of 70.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 18, 2005, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't no 81 would be.

Here is a test for name me a 81 year old who is an exec chairman and CEO of any other PLC ?


What has his age got to do with anything? How can you say that's not personal?

William Dillard was an 80 year old CEO. Google is good like that.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 18, 2005, 04:59:21 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Tony"


I don't think that's a fair comment at all and think it's ageist and very personal.


Only as ageist as stock exchange rules that say directors shouldn't stand for re-election after the age of 70.


Shouldn't or can't?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 18, 2005, 05:02:41 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Tony look at my post

WHAT personaal comments ?


This press release was a particular favourite (http://www.villafc.com/PR_20040109.html)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 05:02:45 PM
shouldn't it is not good governance because they could die at any moment and leave the company in trouble and seconddly they recommend new blood.

And it is no more personal than saying someone who is blind can not drive
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 05:05:27 PM
Quote from: "Tony"

Shouldn't or can't?


It clearly says "shouldn't" Tony!   ".....Except where it's in the best interests of the company."  

Well thank God Doug stayed on then, else we'd have very probably "done a Leeds."
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 18, 2005, 05:06:01 PM
Sorry, almost forgot this one (http://www.villafc.com/PR_20050118.html)

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I find it hard to think of a more ridiculed or hated Chairman


Admittedly most PRs are more careful. Certainly more careful than spur of the moment pronouncements.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 05:10:30 PM
and whats the problem with that one, it is not a great one but nothing too abusive, unless you think having an 81 year old running a PLc is right
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 18, 2005, 05:13:01 PM
Sorry, which one?

Did I ever mention I find it hard to think of a more ridiculed or hated former leader of a Villa fans' group? :wink:
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 05:17:34 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
  ".....Except where it's in the best interests of the company."  

Well thank God Doug stayed on then, else we'd have very probably "done a Leeds."


Aaaah, for the days when it was someone not a million miles from this thread's dearest wish to 'do a Leeds'.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 05:20:33 PM
Dave, Leeds, blew with help from DOl. at one stage it worked until the Cardiff game, with two CL seasons and top of the table. it was the season after when they failed to qualify as the plan called for CL qualification it blew up.

We have never had a plan under Ellis, or if there was one it was well hidden !!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 05:22:09 PM
So it's the rip-roaring success that is Leed United we're talking about now.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 05:22:45 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Risso"
  ".....Except where it's in the best interests of the company."  

Well thank God Doug stayed on then, else we'd have very probably "done a Leeds."


Aaaah, for the days when it was someone not a million miles from this thread's dearest wish to 'do a Leeds'.


If we're digging up old views I'm sure I could have a look back and find some of your old rants against Doug.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 18, 2005, 05:24:41 PM
I thought Everton were the new role model of "success."  ;-)  :lol:
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 05:25:54 PM
Feel free, Risso. There's nothing much where I wouldn't defend my belief at the time, nor, with the wisdom of experience, if necessary explain my change of opinion.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 18, 2005, 05:26:19 PM
So we did want to do a Leeds, but don't want to do a Leeds. Like Doug, his detractors indulge in too much revising of points of reference.

We do have a plan under Doug. It's the same as always. In basic terms, give all available cash to the manager to spend, but don't bank on a top four finish. It's a good plan which falls down (from the fans' point of view) on a perceived inability to self-generate enough cash. It has produced more success than most, but not enough to create either sustained success or, in more recent years, peaks of hope.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 05:29:45 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Feel free, Risso. There's nothing much where I wouldn't defend my belief at the time, nor, with the wisdom of experience, if necessary explain my change of opinion.


And I'd say the same, so why use discussions from 4 years ago to back up your points?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 18, 2005, 05:32:48 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
And I'd say the same, so why use discussions from 4 years ago to back up your points?


Ten? fights against relegation.

No one man should control the Villa.

Where were you in '82.

I won't tolerate anything but success.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Red Robbo on October 18, 2005, 05:35:20 PM
It's all in the

































timing
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 05:43:37 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
So we did want to do a Leeds, but don't want to do a Leeds. Like Doug, his detractors indulge in too much revising of points of reference.

We do have a plan under Doug. It's the same as always. In basic terms, give all available cash to the manager to spend, but don't bank on a top four finish. It's a good plan which falls down (from the fans' point of view) on a perceived inability to self-generate enough cash. It has produced more success than most, but not enough to create either sustained success or, in more recent years, peaks of hope.


I agree Simon the plan is about staying where we are, being risk free and hoping we don't get relegated (thanks Marcus). However the plan is more suitable for a Charlton or a fulham not a big club. We have got the resources through loans to progress and try and challenge as Leeds did but failed.

It is always the fear of failure that has held Villa back and a number of supporters.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 18, 2005, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
I think anybody reading this thread or the countless others like it might also reach the conclusion that Villa fans are nothing but whingers.


You can thank the VFC for that. All they do is fuckin moan. Every Villa fan worth his salt woke up with a smile as wide as the Mersey tunnel for the last couple of days, but what does the VFC do??
Yeah you guessed it, they fuckin moaned again.
Give us all a rest for Christ sake.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 18, 2005, 05:50:54 PM
So we agree there is a plan after all?

I find the Ellis plan perfectly acceptable. It's the same one Man Utd and Arsenal used to such great effect. The difference is in the application. To completely succeed you need either luck and/or much better income. I think we'd agree that Villa failed to fully capitalise on the Premier League boom and the lack of competition anywhere in the Midlands. Hence it's not the plan that's wrong, but the application could be better.

The Leeds shit or bust method has so far only worked at Chelsea and that needed Abramovich. There's nothing wrong with wanting the two seasons Leeds enjoyed, but something very wrong with advocating it as a sensible business plan.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 06:02:14 PM
see and there is the big difference Simon and the heart of all these discussions.

The plan is simply NOT acceptable for a big club like us because the supporters demand far much. The orginal protests started when we were in the top 6 now you saying the plan is ok to keep us 10th.

Yes if you want to go back in history the last 10 years has been ok but I believe the club should be striving for the very top and we don't, thats why Elliss's reign will be remembered as unambitous and frankly boring.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 18, 2005, 06:09:03 PM
Do you just skim read?

The plan works for the most successful clubs of the PL era. Therefore, we can extrapolate that the plan works. Indeed, four of the top six clubs in PL history utilise that exact same plan. So...

Man Utd: Worked through brilliant marketing of myth/legend coupled with luck of an exceptional youth crop.

Arsenal: Worked through brilliant marketing coupled with luck of Arsene's bargains coming good.

Liverpool: Failed (relatively) because of some poor purchases.

Villa: Failed (relatively) because of some poor purchases and not generating enough income.

Newcastle have combined good income generation with big debts (which seems to be what you're advocating but correct me if I'm wrong). Result, less success than Villa. Interestingly, Man Utd tried the same thing in the 80s and were moments away from being owned by Knighton once the banks got pissed off.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 06:13:02 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
.

The plan is simply NOT acceptable for a big club like us because the supporters demand far much.


The big club with one title, one FA Cup and one European trophy in 85 years?

The big club that pre-Ellis's return had finished in the top four on a massive two occasions in te previous half a century? That big club?

Doug could have done better than he has, but let's not kid ouselves that we were Real Madrid before he arrived.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 06:13:49 PM
So Man Ure are different because they generate three times more money than us

Arsenal have been lucky wiith managers but now gone into debt by £200m

Liverpool are I believe £50m in debt (can anyone confirm this)

So none of them have the same policies because they all agressively market the club to increase revenue streams and thus afford players.

I am advocating debt Simon, all companies run an amount of leverage, anyone with a mortgage runs a debt based on future income.

It is a risk (and there's the key) but we could run a debt of £40m and afford it this releases the money for players to get us higher, generating  more money.

That is what all companiess do.

do you think DHL are buying Excel with cash ?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: OneIanTaylor on October 18, 2005, 06:14:31 PM
In the last press release, VFC stated we have had "2 years of poor on-field performances"

Ok, last year wasn't great, but it could of been worse. And 03/04 was a great season which would of earned us Europe in a typical year!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 18, 2005, 06:17:25 PM
Arsenal's debt is as a result of the stadium plan. At the minute it looks like biting them on the arse, but let's learn from Leeds and wait to see what happens.

Liverpool's debt is a new one to me. They have enjoyed the funding of Granada - which was like our frankly exceptional ntl deal only bigger.

£40m is around the market capital of the company. You'll forgive me if I don't take business advice from you?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 06:17:55 PM
Ok Dave so we have done fuck all for 80 years so what !!!

that should not meean we should think small we all know we could be a big club in all measures of what one is it is only people like Ellis who think being Birmingham's no.1 team that stops us.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 18, 2005, 06:20:15 PM
Quote
do you think DHL are buying Excel with cash ?


No, they are probabaly 'borrowing' a copy from work the same as everybody else.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 06:21:17 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Ok Dave so we have done fuck all for 80 years so what !!!

that should not meean we should think small we all know we could be a big club in all measures of what one is it is only people like Ellis who think being Birmingham's no.1 team that stops us.


So once Doug Ellis leaves, every day will be the first day of Spring. How, exactly?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 06:35:47 PM
So Doug's plan has been the same as Man Utd's and Arsenal's.  Apart from the bit about the brilliant marketing.  And the bit about appointing the right manager and sticking with them through thick and thin.  And the bit about having a decent board of directors all pulling together to take the club forwards. Ah yes, exactly the same
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 18, 2005, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote
do you think DHL are buying Excel with cash ?


No, they are probabaly 'borrowing' a copy from work the same as everybody else.


I can use my work copy legally at home thank you very much!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 18, 2005, 06:41:21 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Tony"

Shouldn't or can't?


It clearly says "shouldn't" Tony!   ".....Except where it's in the best interests of the company."  

Well thank God Doug stayed on then, else we'd have very probably "done a Leeds."


So he can then, so what's the problem, why use personal insults about his age to try and make a point? That sort of personal abuse is counter productive, it undermines the good points made about the failings of Ellis' leadership.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: canadamatt on October 18, 2005, 07:09:26 PM
Quote from: "Tony"

So he can then, so what's the problem, why use personal insults about his age to try and make a point?


Running out of ideas obviously...

Next month he'll be too short and thus not fit to run Aston Villa.

Martin, can you clarify whether it's 6 or 7 for me?..just trying to tie up some loose ends.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 18, 2005, 07:12:29 PM
Quote from: "canadamatt"


Martin, can you clarify whether it's 6 or 7 for me?..just trying to tie up some loose ends.


In terms of contribution to this site I'd give you a 3.  You only seem to pipe up when there's a VFC thread.  STILL not got over your Villa Talk experience Matthew?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 18, 2005, 07:13:09 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.


F'ing ell, that statement, by it's globally sweeping presumption, IS ageist.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Red Robbo on October 18, 2005, 07:22:41 PM
Some people are just too stupid  :-$
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: canadamatt on October 18, 2005, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: "Risso"

In terms of contribution to this site I'd give you a 3.  You only seem to pipe up when there's a VFC thread.  STILL not got over your Villa Talk experience Matthew?


3 Mr Angry's it is...it gets lower every time  :-k
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 07:39:54 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.


F'ing ell, that statement, by it's globally sweeping presumption, IS ageist.


how can it be ageist Mac, retirement age is 65, every company I have worked for enforces the rule and why ?

because you need to renew your staff at that age people get less involved, less interested and more boring.

I asked for examples and was brought one name I had not heard off but just like you wouldn't want a 20 year old running Villa you also wouldn't want a 81 year old (for obviously different reasnons before anyone becomes smart arse !!)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 18, 2005, 08:09:43 PM
What’s age got to do with it?

William Pitt The Younger was Prime Minister at 24 while Gladstone and Churchill both held the job into their 80s.

This age business is simply a VFC red herring.  

Are we expected to believe that they’d think Doug was wonderful if only he were a few years younger?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 18, 2005, 08:18:23 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Quote from: "Lee"
Well there are a few of us that can play Godber...


Richard Beckinsale was somewhat taller than you.


How do you know  :smt002
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 18, 2005, 08:26:21 PM
I've seen him on the telly.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: richardhubbard on October 18, 2005, 08:32:10 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
So Man Ure are different because they generate three times more money than us

Arsenal have been lucky wiith managers but now gone into debt by £200m

Liverpool are I believe £50m in debt (can anyone confirm this)

So none of them have the same policies because they all agressively market the club to increase revenue streams and thus afford players.

I am advocating debt Simon, all companies run an amount of leverage, anyone with a mortgage runs a debt based on future income.

It is a risk (and there's the key) but we could run a debt of £40m and afford it this releases the money for players to get us higher, generating  more money.

That is what all companiess do.

do you think DHL are buying Excel with cash ?

Ian that is utter rubbish, new investor borrow to buy villa 100% say 50m, debt gets loaded into AVFC Ltd, AVFC have to service debt. E.g 50 million debt, service costs 6-8M, a year. We play 20 games a season = servicing costs of 400000 a game. Average crowd 35000 (gates rise with new ownership), equals costs to each fan to service debt 12 pounds a game. Are you gonna pay between 28-40 pounds a ticket JUST to service debt borrowings to buy the club, NOT to sign players!
We need to see where this money is coming from to buy villa prior to getting the welcome carpet out!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: richardhubbard on October 18, 2005, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.


F'ing ell, that statement, by it's globally sweeping presumption, IS ageist.


how can it be ageist Mac, retirement age is 65, every company I have worked for enforces the rule and why ?

retirement age does not apply to directors
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 18, 2005, 08:46:44 PM
What I want to know is what's happened to that fund that the VFC keep banging on about.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 18, 2005, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.


F'ing ell, that statement, by it's globally sweeping presumption, IS ageist.


how can it be ageist Mac, retirement age is 65, every company I have worked for enforces the rule and why ?


 ](*,)  ](*,)  ](*,)  ](*,)  ](*,)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 18, 2005, 08:50:23 PM
Richard on your point on the takeover I totally agree with you, until we see the details of the bid we simply do not know what will happen.

I suspect it will be a cash deal, as if you have a club with no debt it is a good starting point, but you will obviously bring the Glaziers in.

Problem is Rich at some point now or even in the next year the club will be sold so we just have to hope they are good for us.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: richardhubbard on October 18, 2005, 08:54:59 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Richard on your point on the takeover I totally agree with you, until we see the details of the bid we simply do not know what will happen.

I suspect it will be a cash deal, as if you have a club with no debt it is a good starting point, but you will obviously bring the Glaziers in.

Problem is Rich at some point now or even in the next year the club will be sold so we just have to hope they are good for us.

I agree the club will be sold, I hope it is financed properly. I hope we do well. I know I have no impact on that. Shame the FEAR does not realise that and shut up
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 18, 2005, 08:57:12 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
What I want to know is what's happened to that fund that the VFC keep banging on about.


What fund is it that you're banging on about VFC banging on about, Mac?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: richardhubbard on October 18, 2005, 08:58:20 PM
And ode to Mr Fear

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For each a road
For everyman a religion
Find everybody and rule
For everything and rumble
Forget everything and remember
For everything a reason
Forgive everybody and remember

For each a road
For everyman a religion
Face everybody and rule
For everything and rumble
Forget everything and remember
For everything a reason

You got the fear
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Final eternity arouses reactions
Freeing excellence affects reality
Fallen empires are ruling
Find earth and reef

Fantastic expectations
Amazing revelations
Final execution and resurrection
Free expression as revolution
Finding everything and realizing

You got the fear
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F.E.A.R. (You got the fear)
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(Fantastic expectations
Amazing revelations
Finding everything and realizing
For everything a reason)

F.E.A.R. (You got the fear)
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Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 18, 2005, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
So Doug's plan has been the same as Man Utd's and Arsenal's.  Apart from the bit about the brilliant marketing.  And the bit about appointing the right manager and sticking with them through thick and thin.  And the bit about having a decent board of directors all pulling together to take the club forwards. Ah yes, exactly the same


Woohoo. Risso responds.  See a chink eh?

Exactly apart from the "brilliant" marketing. Well done for reading that.

Appointing the right manager? Possibly. I think Atkinson was (though possibly went at the right time). Little was. O'Leary may well be.

Sticking through thick and thin? When was Arsenal's thin bit under Wenger?

Board of directors pulling in the same direction? That's precisely what we've had. Oh, what about Ansell? Left because of the appointment of Langham as opposed to promotion for Mark from what I heard, but maybe someone knows different. And Langham? Could be Doug being a tit, could be Langham being one. Do you know the answer?

As you will be aware (unless you aren't as smart as I give you credit for) my point was made in response to Ian stating we don't have a plan. Subsequently, he admitted we do. And as you'll equally be aware, it was exactly my point that it was the application of said plan which put us behind the likes of Man U and the Arse. Of course, if you look at Tottenham, Everton, Boro and Ian's pool of little clubs, we've done quite well. Like you though, I'd rather be Salford's finest than Spurs.

Now, about those other points you may have missed....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: DaveK on October 18, 2005, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
And Langham? Could be Doug being a tit, could be Langham being one. Do you know the answer?


I'd love to know the answer to that one. All this 'professionalism' is a bit boring isn't it? Whatever happened to the slagging each other off in the press after quitting / being fired? It was much better IMHO, definitely more interesting.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 18, 2005, 09:50:26 PM
11.

Come one keep it going.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 18, 2005, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
...
We do have a plan under Doug. It's the same as always. In basic terms, give all available cash to the manager to spend, but don't bank on a top four finish. It's a good plan which falls down (from the fans' point of view) on a perceived inability to self-generate enough cash....


At the risk of being picky, that's not a plan, and not the same as Arsenal's or Man U's

You might as well say our plan is "to do as well as we can"

It's not a plan, "a detailed proposal for doing or achieving something"

It rather lacks detail for a start. Or indeed a "something" which is to be the target.

And this is where it's hugely different, I suspect from Man U or Arsenal.

I suspect, again, that our "plan" (in your terms) has been based around a lot of "don'ts" and not many "do's"

Don't go into debt
Don't take any risks
Don't allow that ruddy manager to take control
Don't put up with any dissent
Don't look at attracting any investment (which would dilute the HDE position)

and so on

I just feel the whole outlook has mostly been over cautious and has concentrated on current account bank balance, making sure Herbert stays in control, making sure he has the deciding say on every facet of the way the club functions (perhaps with the exception of the playing side, where he went as far as he could without immediately causing the managers to leave)

I wonder if perhaps other clubs - especially the two examples you chose, don't perhaps delegate and divide responsibility more widely. Don't leave the relevant areas to have have freedom to be positive, to set their own targets and how they want to go about reaching them etc etc.

I felt that after a while Langham was starting to get some of this approach embedded in the club. Then he was gone. Resigned over a difference of opinion about the "direction the club should take"

To say Villa's plan is the same as Man U and Arsenal's is, apart from superficially, er, somewhat mistaken, I feel.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 18, 2005, 10:06:03 PM
Quote
(perhaps with the exception of the playing side, where he went as far as he could without immediately causing the managers to leave)


I think there have been times when the managers had to get his approval for selections.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: canadamatt on October 18, 2005, 10:24:12 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
(perhaps with the exception of the playing side, where he went as far as he could without immediately causing the managers to leave)


I think there have been times when the managers had to get his approval for selections.


I think this needs further explanation...can you back this up?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Warren Aspinall on October 18, 2005, 10:28:17 PM
I'm pretty sure that Graham Turner (I know),complained of to much interference about team selection from Doug.Also wasn't this the initial reason why Big fat ron & doug fell out.I may be wrong here but it's something that's always been at the back of my mind.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: canadamatt on October 18, 2005, 10:30:44 PM
Quote from: "Warren Aspinall"
I'm pretty sure that Graham Turner (I know),complained of to much interference about team selection from Doug.Also wasn't this the initial reason why Big fat ron & doug fell out.I may be wrong here but it's something that's always been at the back of my mind.


My worry is that this was a rumour started by a section of supporters, which has now turned into gospel...similar to the 'Doug purchased Ginola' nonsense that JG has since put straight.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Warren Aspinall on October 18, 2005, 10:34:33 PM
It may well be as I'm not sure how or where I heard it,isn't something reletive to this mentioned in HDE's lieography & by a few managers in Dave Woodalls book.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 18, 2005, 10:43:02 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.


F'ing ell, that statement, by it's globally sweeping presumption, IS ageist.


how can it be ageist Mac, retirement age is 65, every company I have worked for enforces the rule and why ?

because you need to renew your staff at that age people get less involved, less interested and more boring.

I asked for examples and was brought one name I had not heard off but just like you wouldn't want a 20 year old running Villa you also wouldn't want a 81 year old (for obviously different reasnons before anyone becomes smart arse !!)


Don't Asda or someone employ lots of people past retirement age and haven't we got a bit of a pensions crisis going on? How old are some of those people in the house of Lords, which is quite an important role. The age thing is just a personal issue.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 18, 2005, 11:55:48 PM
Quote from: "Warren Aspinall"
It may well be as I'm not sure how or where I heard it,isn't something reletive to this mentioned in HDE's lieography & by a few managers in Dave Woodalls book.


I wish somebody had interfered in Graham Turner's team selections.

That aside, the general concensus of the managers I spoke to was that Doug's supposed interference was over-exaggerated. BFR, in particular, said they worked well together.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 01:06:52 AM
Quote from: "Simon Page"

Board of directors pulling in the same direction? That's precisely what we've had.


Well technically I suppose two full time executive directors constitutes a board, seeing as they're directors, and errr, they meet in the boardroom.  By any reasonable sized company's criteria though, it's a good four members short.

Doug deciding what to do and Stride agreeing with him does not constitute a board pulling in the same direction.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on October 19, 2005, 02:10:06 AM
Would this post make the 12th page?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 19, 2005, 02:19:43 AM
Well I think we should sign Bakke and Milner.


Oh, sorry is this the wrong thread?  :-   :-#
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 08:36:53 AM
Yes Graham Turner at least had his selections "approved". But I suspect most of the managers over the years had "discussions" with Doug over team selection. I'm sure I read that somewhere, it may have been Doug himself. Can't remember now.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 19, 2005, 08:43:21 AM
I was at the AGM and managed to get a picture of the 4 VFC members walking out.
http://www.importimagesnewyork.com/catalog/images/detail/544.jpg
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: gav on October 19, 2005, 09:06:22 AM
Quote from: "Tony"
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "ianrobo"
Tony how is saying a 81 yo is not fit for the job agist, he isn't, no 81 would be.


F'ing ell, that statement, by it's globally sweeping presumption, IS ageist.


how can it be ageist Mac, retirement age is 65, every company I have worked for enforces the rule and why ?

because you need to renew your staff at that age people get less involved, less interested and more boring.

I asked for examples and was brought one name I had not heard off but just like you wouldn't want a 20 year old running Villa you also wouldn't want a 81 year old (for obviously different reasnons before anyone becomes smart arse !!)


Don't Asda or someone employ lots of people past retirement age and haven't we got a bit of a pensions crisis going on? How old are some of those people in the house of Lords, which is quite an important role. The age thing is just a personal issue.


That's a ridiculous statement.  You can't equate an old person working in checkout at Asda, or someone sitting pretty in the House of Lords with Doug and his role at Villa.  

It is not Doug's age that is the problem, but his business ideals and values.  The advent of the Premiership (whether its been good for football or not) saw the global push of English clubs to the fore.  Villa have failed shockingly at exploiting this and the blame should lie at the feet of teh Chairman because he runs Villa with an iron grip.  He hasn't made conditions at Villa conducive for new innovative merchandising ideas - instead he appoints yes men.  THis has led to us having a poor international image and little support, despite consistent finishes in the top half of the table.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 09:06:59 AM
When John Gregory joined Derby he said he was now happy working for a board that let him manage without interference.

If anyone tells me that over the years Doug has resisted offering his footballing expertise to his managers on team matters then I will say they are deluded.

"For Doug Ellis, by Doug Ellis, on behalf of Doug Ellis".
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 09:09:15 AM
Quote
It is not Doug's age that is the problem,


Correct. His problem is that he is a self-serving egotistical arse.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: gav on October 19, 2005, 09:11:33 AM
People saying that Doug doesn't interfere in team selection are like people who believe OJ Simpson didn't kill his wife.  Sometimes you don't need irrefutible proof to know how someone works/thinks.  

DOug's problem at the Villa has been that he simply can't see anyother way of doing things than his way.  Its left us short of ideas in a business and commercial sense.  Its not that he's deliberately holding us back, nor is he the evil old man some people make him out to be, he is however too stubborn and entrenched in his own mind-set to be a good chairman in the Premier League era of football.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: gav on October 19, 2005, 09:15:29 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
It is not Doug's age that is the problem,


Correct. His problem is that he is a self-serving egotistical arse.


Doug is a self-serving, self-promoting egotistical man.  He does run Villa so that he can stay at the helm.  He'd love us to be top of the league because it would reflect well on him.  However, he doesn't want to take on board people or ideas that conflict with his own set in stone business beliefs - beliefs that don't really work well in the current corporate style of football.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 19, 2005, 09:21:50 AM
There is an issue with Doug's age. To put it bluntly a man of 81 is more likely to die suddenly than a man of 50 and there is no evidence of a proper succession plan being in place should this happen.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: themossman on October 19, 2005, 09:25:57 AM
The other problem with doug (and I know this is based around a horrible marketing driven idea of football but you'd be naive to think it isn't significant) is that he's terrible for our brand value. Which affects turnover and our ability to attract players. With him pulling all the strings, and insisting that he remaing in the spotlight all the time, our image has become synonymous with an ancient, ill, tightwad. If he was content to sit in the background and let dol be the figurehead (as is the case at most clubs) then I suspect we would have far fewer problems attracting big signings. As he's not capable of doing that, even in his current state, we need someone/s who will.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 09:29:16 AM
Quote
If he was content to sit in the background and let dol be the figurehead


Chelsea excepted, I have little or no idea who the Chairman/CEO is of any other football team. But I know nearly everyone knows Doug is Chairman of Aston Villa.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 19, 2005, 10:02:31 AM
Not thinking to hard then?

Shepherd, Kenright, Glazer.  These names not ring a bell?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: "gav"
People saying that Doug doesn't interfere in team selection are like people who believe OJ Simpson didn't kill his wife.  Sometimes you don't need irrefutible proof to know how someone works/thinks.  



My irrefutable proof is interviews with each manager, all of whom said that Doug didn't interfere in team selection. What's yours?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: themossman on October 19, 2005, 10:20:27 AM
Quote from: "Mac"
Not thinking to hard then?

Shepherd, Kenright, Glazer.  These names not ring a bell?


Add in lowe and gold and take away the ones whose names we only know
because they took over in controversial circumstances or are billionaires and what links them? All wankers who have their own egotistical agenda for getting their name in the press. The best chairmen are the ones who put up the money and delegate the decision making to experts and because of this you rarely hear about them. If doug was a genuine football expert i wouldn't mind him poking around in the workings of the club. But he's not, which is painfully obvious to everyone but him.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 10:21:10 AM
What manager is going to admit to being weak?

John Gregory said Doug interferred.

Do you honestly believe Doug resisted this temptation?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 19, 2005, 10:22:56 AM
I think this is one of those urban myths that grows and grows. Yeah, no doubt Doug wants to stick his oar in when it comes to buying and selling players more than he should. IMO. But no manager would allow any chairman to interfere in picking the team. Its how Doug has not allowed them to take Villa to the next level that irks them all. No manager in my recollection has been told that player A must play rather than player B.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 19, 2005, 10:25:49 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "gav"
People saying that Doug doesn't interfere in team selection are like people who believe OJ Simpson didn't kill his wife.  Sometimes you don't need irrefutible proof to know how someone works/thinks.  



My irrefutable proof is interviews with each manager, all of whom said that Doug didn't interfere in team selection. What's yours?

Whatever the pros and many, many cons of Herbert's leadership, I flatly refuse to believe that he dictated team selection to previous managers.
That is just wild and uninformed speculation.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 10:26:01 AM
Like Peter said, a myth that grows.

'Interferes with team selection' is an easy stick to beat Doug with, rather like 'never spends enough' and 'falls out with every manager'. There just isn't any evidence, though, apart from "It must be true because everyone says it is and I don't believe anyone who says any different."
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 10:31:09 AM
Quote
I flatly refuse to believe that he dictated team selection to previous managers.


You don't believe Doug expressed his opinion on selection? Especially when things were perhaps not going so well for the incumbent manager?

I can't believe that a man like Ellis would have resisted this opportunity to make his footballing expertise available.

I remember the incident about Doug and Big Fat Ron's program notes.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 10:33:11 AM
Can't say I've ever given much thought to whether Doug interferes with team selection or not.  I'm more concerned with the fact that under him we've stagnated for far too long, as he runs the club for his own self promotion.

For Doug Ellis, by Doug Ellis etc etc.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 10:33:52 AM
Dou may well have 'expressed an opinion.' About a hundred people will do the same on here between now and Saturday. There's a difference between that and interfering.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 10:37:25 AM
Quote
Dou may well have 'expressed an opinion.' About a hundred people will do the same on here between now and Saturday. There's a difference between that and interfering.


Not if you're he's your boss and you're perhaps under a bit of pressure.

This man has had a finger in every pie, he doesn't trust anyone except himself.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 10:40:03 AM
And your evidence is?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 10:40:25 AM
The programme notes.

http://astonvilla.blogfootball.com/drkeene/discuss/msgReader$164

Thanks Dr Keene.

Just in case anyone has forgotten what a complete tosser Doug is.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 10:43:30 AM
Quote
And your evidence is?


The man himself!

37 years of him.

You kid yourself if you think he never interferred.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 10:44:07 AM
Does that prove that Doug interefered, or does it prove that Doug wanted to show what a wise old sage he thinks he is?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 10:45:41 AM
Hand on heart Dave, do you really believe he never interferred.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: the weatherman on October 19, 2005, 10:46:27 AM
Andy Gray mentions in his book that Doug used to piss Atkinson off by hovering around the training ground. Atkinson used to give him short shrift.

Gray however mentions that when the team was announced on a match day, he used to make sure that Doug received the team sheet first - he said little things like that pleased him and Gray was happy to keep him informed.

He never though suggested that Doug dabbled in team selection.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 10:50:05 AM
It's enough evidence though that Doug's first and foremost reason for doing anything at Villa is to further his own self image.  As soon an anyone shows him up to be the outdated numpty he is, they're out the door.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 10:50:24 AM
Quote
He never though suggested that Doug dabbled in team selection.


I'm not suggesting that Doug wrote his own team sheet. I am suggesting that Doug would express an "opinion" about playing A instead of B and if you were Graham Turner or any other manager perhaps not enjoying a good run then you would take note of his "opinion".

Anyone who believes that Doug doesn't express "opnions" to his managers is dreaming.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 19, 2005, 10:50:44 AM
Quote from: "Mac"
Not thinking to hard then?

Shepherd, Kenright, Glazer.  These names not ring a bell?


Off the top of my head I can add:

Hill-Wood/Dein, Gold/Sullivan, Jordan, Delia Smith, Whelan, Geoffrey Robinson MP, Rupert Lowe, Madeski, Moores, Gibson, Levy…
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 19, 2005, 10:53:06 AM
ATKINSON QUOTE When I accepted the job, he had turned to me and asked: "Do me a favour - don't ever take the mickey out of me in public."
I can't blame Herbert for that, I wouldn't get away with taking the piss out of my boss in front of everybody.
Let's be honest, this blind hatred of Ellis produces some ridiculous claims about him.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 19, 2005, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: "the weatherman"
Andy Gray mentions in his book that Doug used to piss Atkinson off by hoovering around the training ground.

Tight old git! You think he'd have paid cleaners to do it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 10:56:27 AM
As I said before, I'm sure that Doug might have a word with managers all the time, whether the team are doing well or not. I'm also sure that any decent manager would have taken not a blind bit of notice.

Doug's the chairman. There probably aren't many chairmen in any industry that don't feel they could do every job in their company better than anyone else, and can't occasionally resist the temptation to pass on a few words of wisdom.  

Has he influenced the team selection? I don't think so.

Has he signed players the manager didn't want? No manager has ever said he has.

Has he denied managers reasonable access to funds? Not according to the ones I've asked.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 11:00:53 AM
Quote
Let's be honest, this blind hatred of Ellis produces some ridiculous claims about him.


Such as? The team interference isn't a ridiculous claim and I can remember it being said back in the mid 80's.

Doug really believes he is a "sounding board for selections and tactics". The stronger managers were perhaps able to resist him. But I don't believe everyone did.

That's the way the man sees himself and wants everyone to see him.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: themossman on October 19, 2005, 11:01:04 AM
Good link LG. He just sounds like he's on another planet, and that was when he was relatively young and in touch with the game. I think dol has the right approch, flattering his ego while subtly dismissing him as a failing old man. In his canny way he's probably wrestling more control off doug than a lot of recent managers have had. Not ideal though is it?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 11:03:40 AM
Quote
There probably aren't many chairmen in any industry that don't feel they could do every job in their company better than anyone else


They might think they can, the difference is most of them don't TRY to do every job.

Look at all the criticism he gets:

John Gregory's rant about Doug still thinking his outdated methods were cutting edge.

Ansell saying that he had to get's Doug's say so for ordering stationery

Langham leaving over "differences of opinion."

Countless players leaving citing lack of ambition.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 11:05:54 AM
Dave that's your opinion.

My opinion that a man of with such an ego simply could not resist the temptation to give everyone the benefit of his wealth of knowledge and experience.

He certainly wanted people to think of him in that way and I'm sure he has tried it over the years and it would be a foolish manager to ignore him if your job is on the line. And we've had a few of those.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 11:09:49 AM
Gregory - Yes, a real managerial genius, that one. How's he doing at Plymouth?

Ansell - Wasn't he the Antichrist a couple of years ago? What changed?

Langham - Nobody know why he left.

Players - another semi-myth. How many of our players from the post-Little era left for better or more ambitious clubs, and how many were pushed out/not wanted by the manager/thought they were better than they were? I'd say Yorke, Bosnich and possibly Southgate, although the latter fell out with Gregory as well. It's not the long list many would have you believe.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 11:10:39 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Dave that's your opinion.



It isn't just my opinion. It's backed up by facts.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 11:14:16 AM
You're saying its a fact that Doug never interferred in team selection and tactics?

Never?

Where do I find that fact?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mazrim on October 19, 2005, 11:14:34 AM
I would give JG more credit than he seems to get.

He didnt play the sexiest of football but he did get us into Europe against the odds and we were top of the league for over three months before getting an FA Cup final spot.

I liked JG.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Red Robbo on October 19, 2005, 11:15:04 AM
VFC are stuck in a timewarp
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 19, 2005, 11:18:58 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I liked JG.

The most friendly ex Villa man I've ever met.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 11:21:52 AM
Quote
VFC are stuck in a timewarp


And that's what this discussion is all about.

Two sides, one who rightly dispise Ellis and the other who a few years ago in an ego battle with "Ellis Out" "VFC" or its supporters suggested that Ellis is not all that bad, now feel oblidged to defend that position even if they feel not entirely comfortable doing it.

Ellis is an interferer, regardless of interviews with some ex-managers who may may not have wanted to paint themselves in the best light, he can't help himself. End of story.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 11:23:00 AM
Quote
I liked JG.


The man who said Ellis interferred.

But there we go.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 19, 2005, 11:25:58 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
. End of story.


surely not? it's only 20 pages long at the moment

and it's only taken me half a morning to read through.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 11:27:12 AM
No its on 14.

I predicted 21.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 11:27:45 AM
Sorry 15.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 19, 2005, 11:32:18 AM
We seem to be getting off the point here. The public persona of Doug Ellis is that of a man difficult to like. He appears vain, egotistical and patronising in the extreme. However that isn't the real issue, it's how he performs the roles of Chairman and Chief Executive that is important.

On the plus side he has built a stable and solvent club. That in itself doesn't sound like a lot, but for those of us of a certain age it is a huge improvement on what went before. However he has also shown that he cannot do what is needed to take the next step. That might not be entirely his fault but after 20 odd years in charge the buck stops with him.

If those who actively seek his removal were to stick to the issues (and brush up on their timing) they might find that they receive less hostility.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 19, 2005, 11:34:54 AM
I reckon Chris has summed it up quite nicely.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: shipscat on October 19, 2005, 11:35:40 AM
my wonder is how we'll judge villa since the start of the premiership in ten years time.i hope we won't all have rose tinted specs and the benefit of hindsight,in the words of sam cooke,a change is gonna come,crystal balls anyone?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 19, 2005, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Ansell saying that he had to get's Doug's say so for ordering stationery


Ansell said lots of things over the years.

Most of the time he was utterly contemptuous of the club’s supporters and absolutely craven in his devotion to Doug.

Now that Ansell is apparently the fount of all knowledge, are we to assume VFC is in agreement with the former deputy-chief executive’s well documented hagiographic view of Doug?  

Anyway, let’s get this thread back on topic, which is not Ellis but VFC’s attempt to once again ruin even the semblance of a Villa feel-good factor.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 11:41:39 AM
According to the experts now speaking about Doug, Ansell was really running Villa at one point and Doug was taking a backseat. I bow to their superior knowledge about all things Doug.

The feel good factor lasts until the Wigan result, it might contine after, it might not.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 19, 2005, 11:42:55 AM
I thought the VFC were taking the credit for getting Ansell the sack because of the major (sic) criticisms of him in their Hodgson report?
Are they now best buddies?

This is why I find the VFC hard to take seriously.  They flip-flop their position on everything when it suits them.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 11:47:05 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
According to the experts now speaking about Doug, Ansell was really running Villa at one point and Doug was taking a backseat. I bow to their superior knowledge about all things Doug.

The feel good factor lasts until the Wigan result, it might contine after, it might not.


According to many sources Ansell was doing most of the driving but apparently got a bit too big for his boots and forgot who owned the car.

Of course, any sort of feel good factor does not suit VFC’s agenda and no doubt Fear and his supporter(s) will be cheering Wigan on with gusto on Saturday afternoon.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 11:51:58 AM
The feel-good factor has nothing to do with VFC. If Villa lose to Wigan the knives will be out again. That's what happens.

Ansell was driving? Not a chance.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mazrim on October 19, 2005, 11:52:43 AM
Quote
On the plus side he has built a stable and solvent club.


That BASTARD!

He's built a stable and then the horses from said stable go to the Solvent club. Thus becoming Bostik!

Dastardly evil genius is Count Dougula.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 11:56:33 AM
Quote from: "Mac"
I thought the VFC were taking the credit for getting Ansell the sack because of the major (sic) criticisms of him in their Hodgson report?
Are they now best buddies?

This is why I find the VFC hard to take seriously.  They flip-flop their position on everything when it suits them.


Where have VFC said they're best buddies with Ansell Mac?  And as for for flip flopping position, how about looking a bit closer to home?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 11:57:25 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"


Two sides, one who rightly dispise Ellis and the other who a few years ago in an ego battle with "Ellis Out" "VFC" or its supporters suggested that Ellis is not all that bad, now feel oblidged to defend that position even if they feel not entirely comfortable doing it.

Ellis is an interferer, regardless of interviews with some ex-managers who may may not have wanted to paint themselves in the best light, he can't help himself. End of story.


I haven't had an 'ego battle' with anyone.

And I've been given two sides of the story of (say) Ron Atkinson's time at Villa Park. I chose his. Should I have chosen yours?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 11:59:01 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"

And I've been given two sides of the story of (say) Ron Atkinson's time at Villa Park. I chose his. Should I have chosen yours?


His version posted on that blog seems to contradict what he told you Dave.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
The feel-good factor has nothing to do with VFC.


Well done.  You’ve managed to grasp a simple point for once although most likely by accident.

As you rightly suggest, VFC is all about creating a feel-bad factor.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ROBBO on October 19, 2005, 12:01:12 PM
looking on from 13,000 kilometres away may I observe that the said Mr Fear has a striking similarity to Douglas in that they both seem filled with their own self importance and any infuence they may have at present will disipate in the advent of new owners. I am supportive of anyone using their best endevours to unseat deadly but i'm afraid he lost me with his dummy spit at the A.G.M. As for deadly interfering with team selection i can only say that as a company owner as long as i am seeing progress i keep well out but if business starts to go backwards and its my money we're talking about keeping out is not an option.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 12:01:46 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Mac"
I thought the VFC were taking the credit for getting Ansell the sack because of the major (sic) criticisms of him in their Hodgson report?
Are they now best buddies?

This is why I find the VFC hard to take seriously.  They flip-flop their position on everything when it suits them.


Where have VFC said they're best buddies with Ansell Mac?


VFC hasn’t said it but isn’t it about time it came clean on the issue?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: "ROBBO"
its my money we're talking about keeping out is not an option.


It's not Doug's money we're talking about though.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: "Risso"


His version posted on that blog seems to contradict what he told you Dave.


How? His anecdote relates to Doug asking him to paint Doug in a better light, which is typical Doug. Nowhere does he say that Ellis influenced his team selections, and to my knowledge, no other manager ever has, either.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"


VFC hasn’t said it but isn’t it about time it came clean on the issue?


I don't know what you're referring to, sorry.

Ansell may have been a dick, and nobody on here had a good word to say about him, but the fact is he was being paid well to do a job.  The point is if Doug felt the need to stand over his shoulder, either Ansell wasn't the right bloke for the job and should therefore have been replaced, or Doug just can't let qualified people do their jobs.  I've seen enough evidence of the latter to think that this is the case.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 12:06:05 PM
Quote from: "Risso"


Where have VFC said they're best buddies with Ansell Mac?  And as for for flip flopping position, how about looking a bit closer to home?


I can't speak for anyone else, but my position on Doug's position hasn't changed one iota since about 1985. I'd like him to go, never to darken our door again, except when he watches the match. Where I have changed, is that I no longer believe him to be the devil personified.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 12:08:00 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"


VFC hasn’t said it but isn’t it about time it came clean on the issue?


I don't know what you're referring to, sorry.


Are you an official of the organisation known as VFC?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 19, 2005, 12:12:01 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
flip-flop their position on everything

A frequent complaint from my wife.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 12:12:36 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Are you an official of the organisation known as VFC?


No
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Red Robbo on October 19, 2005, 12:13:06 PM
I don't blame you, I wouldn't want to admit it either.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 12:14:55 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Are you an official of the organisation known as VFC?


No


Then surely the obvious thing is to take up the point with somebody who is.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2005, 12:17:33 PM
Sorry for the delay. I missed a turning on page 13 and ended up spying on some inside info regarding team selection. Master stroke by the boy Ellis, playing Fenton in the final.

Pete. Rather than trawl through your response, I'll just agree. Doug has also agreed to pick my lottery numbers as, from what you say, he has to be the luckiest bstard alive.

Risso, stunning work with the two executive directors bit. Of course, our non-execs are a bit more hands on aren't they?

Woodhall. Doug picks the team - someone said so twice in the 80s, four times in the 90s and once last year. I don't care how much proof exists to the contrary, it must be true.

So, is Ansell good or bad today?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 19, 2005, 12:20:35 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
So, is Ansell good or bad today?

Is Ansell a bitterman?
BOOM FUCKING BOOM!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: the weatherman on October 19, 2005, 12:27:27 PM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
Quote from: "Simon Page"
So, is Ansell good or bad today?

Is Ansell a bitterman?
BOOM FUCKING BOOM!


It does seem increasingly difficult to find a pub which sells Ansells Bitter or Mild in the Birmingham area.
Its all bloody creamflow these days.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 12:31:40 PM
I could kill a pint of Ansells bitter right now.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 19, 2005, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Risso"


His version posted on that blog seems to contradict what he told you Dave.


How? His anecdote relates to Doug asking him to paint Doug in a better light, which is typical Doug. Nowhere does he say that Ellis influenced his team selections, and to my knowledge, no other manager ever has, either.


In Andy Gray's autobiography, Gray states while working as assistant to BFR, that BFR hated Ellis. Gray advised BFR not to take such a bold stand against Ellis as he in the end he could never win, but BFR could not stand the man and made it obvious to all. The rest is history.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 12:45:59 PM
Quote
Nowhere does he say that Ellis influenced his team selections, and to my knowledge, no other manager ever has, either.


What do you think though Dave? Do you honestly believe he never did?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 12:53:32 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Nowhere does he say that Ellis influenced his team selections, and to my knowledge, no other manager ever has, either.


What do you think though Dave? Do you honestly believe he never did?


Yes I do. He may have tried to, but I don't think that any of his managers would ever have stood for such interference.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 01:15:30 PM
Quote
Yes I do. He may have tried to, but I don't think that any of his managers would ever have stood for such interference.


I disagree. Graham Turner and Billy McNeil being prime candidates.

I think Graham Taylor and BFR would have easily resisted, they were a match for him.

The others? If the pressure was big enough, I think so.

It takes a strong man to resist when your boss says "I think this is a good idea".
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 01:31:55 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Are you an official of the organisation known as VFC?


No


Then surely the obvious thing is to take up the point with somebody who is.


I suppose it is.  Go for it then.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 01:32:48 PM
Quote from: "Red Robbo"
I don't blame you, I wouldn't want to admit it either.


That'll be because you're not one either I assume.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Andy Poole on October 19, 2005, 01:34:05 PM
Laughing Gravity wrote
Quote
Quote:
Yes I do. He may have tried to, but I don't think that any of his managers would ever have stood for such interference.


I disagree. Graham Turner and Billy McNeil being prime candidates.

I think Graham Taylor and BFR would have easily resisted, they were a match for him.

The others? If the pressure was big enough, I think so.

It takes a strong man to resist when your boss says "I think this is a good idea".


So can you give us any examples of which players may have been picked ahead of others or at the expense of others, to back up these claims?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 01:37:25 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Are you an official of the organisation known as VFC?


No


Then surely the obvious thing is to take up the point with somebody who is.


I suppose it is.  Go for it then.


What with VFC's record on answering questions?

Perhaps they'll tell somebody who spends all his free time banging on about how wonderful they are.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 01:40:27 PM
Maybe your new identity will lull them into a false sense of security.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 01:44:31 PM
Good idea.  Change the subject and maybe you can avoid the difficult Ansell related questions.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 01:47:06 PM
Quote
So can you give us any examples of which players may have been picked ahead of others or at the expense of others, to back up these claims?


You want me to search through my secret Doug phone tap recordings? It might take a while.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Good idea.  Change the subject and maybe you can avoid the difficult Ansell related questions.


Are there any?  The man was a bit of a dick, but if he was being paid to do a job, he should have been able to get on with it without interference from Doug.  If he wasn't, he should have been sacked and replaced.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 01:53:13 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
If he wasn't, he should have been sacked and replaced.


He was sacked and replaced. He then became a favourite of some. (See also Taylor, Graham - 'From Lying, Cowardly Tosser to Visionary in One Easy Move'.)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Good idea.  Change the subject and maybe you can avoid the difficult Ansell related questions.


Are there any?  The man was a bit of a dick, but if he was being paid to do a job, he should have been able to get on with it without interference from Doug.  If he wasn't, he should have been sacked and replaced.


Yes.

They surely relate to any contact between VFC and Ansell following his resignation from the board.  

Are you not in the VFC loop, Risso?  Don’t they trust you with such information?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 02:00:20 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"

Are you not in the VFC loop, Risso?  Don’t they trust you with such information?


I've never claimed to be.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 19, 2005, 02:02:09 PM
Quote
So can you give us any examples of which players may have been picked ahead of others or at the expense of others, to back up these claims?


Fat Dave - at the expense of anyone.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2005, 02:02:44 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Maybe your new identity will lull them into a false sense of security.


Top sarcasm BTW  =D>

Among the many Ansell questions is the very simple what is the current view of him? He was Satan himself. Then got a good press from Hodgson. Then was tipped to be Doug's Brutus at the AGM. I'd like to know what the various fan groups think of him. I'd like to know it from them rather than conjecture.

One question for you though Risso. I'm sure you've answered this before, but do you have anything to do with VFC? May help for next time people read your comments as if they were a VFC statement.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"

Are you not in the VFC loop, Risso?  Don’t they trust you with such information?


I've never claimed to be.


Everyone will surely agree it’s quite scandalous that they treat you in such a way after all the nonsense you’ve written on VFC’s behalf.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Andy Poole on October 19, 2005, 02:03:37 PM
Laughing Gravity wrote
 
Quote
So can you give us any examples of which players may have been picked ahead of others or at the expense of others, to back up these claims?


You want me to search through my secret Doug phone tap recordings? It might take a while.


I don't mind how you do it! You claim Ellis interfered in team affairs i merely asked for proof, hard fact, names, call it what you will, untill then it is all just supposition
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2005, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"

One question for you though Risso. I'm sure you've answered this before, but do you have anything to do with VFC? May help for next time people read your comments as if they were a VFC statement.


Well I'm friends with Pete and through him Jon, and meet up for a pre match beer on the odd occasion I get to Villa Park for a game.  I agree with their aims and most of what they say in press releases and interviews.  

But I think you probably knew all that.  I've never claimed to be "in the loop" or whatever people want to call it.  I just like a good debate, and happen to fall on the VFC side of the fence.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: gav on October 19, 2005, 02:12:38 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Risso"
If he wasn't, he should have been sacked and replaced.


He was sacked and replaced. He then became a favourite of some. (See also Taylor, Graham - 'From Lying, Cowardly Tosser to Visionary in One Easy Move'.)


Ansell was a prick, nobody is saying otherwise.  However when he got fired he became a resentful prick and was willing to shed some light on the inner workings of the board.  Sure, what he said had to be taken with a pinch of salt but its still useful - even you must agree.  

I don't think VFC (from anything i've read on here or VT in the last 5 years) ever said he was a good bloke though, but maybe you could show me where - or perhaps you're using common conjecture to reinforce your point.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 19, 2005, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
I could kill a pint of Ansells bitter right now.

Why, what's it ever done to you?  Groan.

Just had a pint of WUFFA.  From a birmingham brewery.  Very nice it was too.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2005, 02:13:41 PM
Quote
I just like a good debate, and happen to fall on the VFC side of the fence.


Thank the Lord. I'd be bored shitless on here otherwise.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 19, 2005, 02:13:49 PM
Gav you are spot on there mate.

HGowever I wonder what people will have to say when the VFC disbands in a few months, the number of postings will go down !!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2005, 02:15:10 PM
What's your view on Ansell Ian?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 19, 2005, 02:18:43 PM
From meeting him and various conversations he was a Villa fan and did have a passion for the club.

He also was someone who considring his position could not help actually giving me some help but we had very heated conversations through e-mail and phone and he would not be moved.

In the end the club was better for having Ansell trying to moderate Ellis but he wanted the top chair and that ambition in the end got him relieved/sacked of his position.

I think I would have enjoyed a few beers and discussions with him but I would not want him involved again, I do not wannt a Villa fan as the next owner.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
I do not wannt a Villa fan as the next owner.


Hence the support for Ranson.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 19, 2005, 02:22:55 PM
what the fuck are you on about ??

You will not find one statement from me supporting the Ranson bid, however I would have liked to see his plans and see what he was going to do.

But at £48m the price was too low and Ellis was right to reject it on the price.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 19, 2005, 02:24:45 PM
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mark fletcher wrote:
Simon Page wrote:
So, is Ansell good or bad today?

Is Ansell a bitterman?
BOOM FUCKING BOOM!


It does seem increasingly difficult to find a pub which sells Ansells Bitter or Mild in the Birmingham area.
Its all bloody creamflow these days.


As a Debt Collector for Carlsberg UK, I can exclusively reveal the following 3 pubs as still being stockists of Ansells

Lad In Lane Erdington (recently polled highly on the worst pubs thread)
Prince Of Wales Moseley
Billesley, well Billesley.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2005, 02:28:27 PM
Quote
I don't think VFC (from anything i've read on here or VT in the last 5 years) ever said he was a good bloke though, but maybe you could show me where - or perhaps you're using common conjecture to reinforce your point.


I'll go even further and say they haven't. Not sure I've read them being accused of it either.

I think they may have referred to him in a couple of press releases (but could be wrong). I know Hodgson spoke about him at some length in his reports (mostly painting him in a good light, some bad).

The most interesting thing was the rumour that he and Abdul were to ride into the AGM on white chargers, wiping away the dark lord Ellis. This, as always, led to a reconstitution of Ansell among some internet posters all over Nerddom. However, as neither Jon Fear nor Naz were among these, VFC cannot be said to be among the revisionists.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 02:29:59 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
From meeting him and various conversations he was a Villa fan and did have a passion for the club.

He also was someone who considring his position could not help actually giving me some help but we had very heated conversations through e-mail and phone and he would not be moved.

In the end the club was better for having Ansell trying to moderate Ellis but he wanted the top chair and that ambition in the end got him relieved/sacked of his position.

I think I would have enjoyed a few beers and discussions with him but I would not want him involved again, I do not wannt a Villa fan as the next owner.


Are you Ian Robathan, or someone who just shares a similar name? Because the Ian Robathan I know and laugh at hated Ansell with a  passion and the feeling was mutual.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: GaryShaw on October 19, 2005, 02:43:38 PM
I have a question.

Is VFC a democratic open membership organisation and if so how many registered members does it have?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: "GaryShaw"
I have a question.

Is VFC a democratic open membership organisation and if so how many registered members does it have?


No. One.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2005, 02:45:53 PM
No and two.

So come clean Ian. What caused the Stalinist rewrite?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 02:49:21 PM
No and four is my guess, but any of them are willing to come on here and put the record straight.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mazrim on October 19, 2005, 03:11:25 PM
Right. Who wants an Ice Cream?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 03:15:35 PM
No thanks. I am fantacising about beer at the moment.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 03:24:57 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Right. Who wants an Ice Cream?


Have you got rum and ranson?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2005, 03:26:23 PM
Four? Was there a recruitment drive? I've got Jon Fear and Naz. Who else.

Just a plain vanilla cornet for me ta. No sprinkles.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 19, 2005, 03:26:27 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Right. Who wants an Ice Cream?

Strawberry Mivvi please.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mazrim on October 19, 2005, 03:26:31 PM
Ive got crushed nuts.


No wait, its Spina Biffida.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 19, 2005, 03:26:44 PM
I'll have an Aston Vanilla.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mazrim on October 19, 2005, 03:29:56 PM
What about a Steve Bruce Funny face?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 19, 2005, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
Four? Was there a recruitment drive? I've got Jon Fear and Naz. Who else.

Just a plain vanilla cornet for me ta. No sprinkles.


That bloke of C5 who looks like Timmy Mallet, Carl Chinn, Pete Bland, Dennis ? who used to post on here, that other bloke whose name escapes me me who used to post on here when he was drunk and kept falling out with Mac?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2005, 03:36:37 PM
Timmy Mallett is either a sleeping partner (fnarr) or no longer there. Carl Chinn no longer apparently. Work commitments I believe. Pete Bland always said he wasn't (although he can deny/confirm this of course) and Dennis Box arrives late and leaves early with them but hasn't ever claimed to be of them as far as I'm aware.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2005, 03:37:44 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Ive got crushed nuts.


No wait, its Spina Biffida.


Keyboard, meet tea. Tea, keyboard.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 03:55:39 PM
Fear, Nazir, I thought Pete Bland was a member (he's certainly made reference to being 'in the loop', as I believe the terminology goes) but maybe he can confirm that. Mike Field said he was a member once, but he seems to have vanished. Whoever runs Villatalk now.

The 'millionaires and pop stars' ( (c) Martin) have certainly distanced themselves lately.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2005, 04:13:13 PM
I thought Pete definitely wasn't. (Where is he when you need him?) Don't know Mike Field - completely new name to me. John Cresswell was in the AGM walkout I believe, but I didn't know he was of. Certainly not the impression I've got reading VFC threads on their site.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 04:15:43 PM
It's a shame they've never said who they are. What with them being so insistent that questions should be answered.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 19, 2005, 04:52:51 PM
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Mike Field said he was a member once,


That's who I meant by the drunk who argues with Mac.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 19, 2005, 04:59:10 PM
Oh, so not many of them then.

I just got told on the mailing list that there were 600-700 at the meetings in the Leisure Centre, what happened?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 19, 2005, 05:01:11 PM
Pat Murphy weekly column today- thinks Doug could be selling aswell.

From icBrum

nappreciated Ellis finally contemplating the final whistle


So is the Doug Ellis reign at Villa Park now on its last knockings after his revelation at a fascinating shareholders' annual meeting that he was seriously considering a takeover bid?


I think the signs are more favourable than in the past.


Seasoned Ellis watchers, and cynics - and the two are often convertible terms - believe that his announcement about a serious interest in the club was a typical stroke he's pulled in the past.


Veterans of the Villa Park power struggles will point to the occasions when the chairman has hinted that he might step aside - in the club's interests, blah, blah, blah - but then the matter is quietly shelved.


This time, I'm not so sure. Apparently the lawyers were climbing all over Ellis' statement before he stood up to face the shareholders, to ensure he said as little as possible without incurring the wrath of the Stock Exchange. And for the first time in my memory he wouldn't speak, either on or off the record, afterwards.


For those who know Doug Ellis' readiness to talk to the media, that was an eye-opener.


Some comments from the floor were courteous while others went straight to the point, with one fan saying: 'What happens to the club if you suddenly keel over?'


Underlying the whole session, though, was the awareness that time is running out for the Doug Ellis regime as he approaches his 82nd birthday.


He was at pains to stress that he'd been back in his office for the past three weeks and that he'd been told at first hand that a heart by-pass can lead to a new lease of life. But Doug is a realist.


When the meeting finished after 90 minutes he looked and sounded tired. Understandably so.


Even his implacable critics ought to recognise his courtesy in dealing with the varied degrees of vituperation and I could only discern one pro-Ellis monologue that might have been planted.


His detractors had the chance to vent their spleen. It's a pity many of them weren't more succinct. Why do so many babble when a microphone is in their hand? They just play into the hands of a wily platform performer like Doug Ellis.


He says he's 'interested' in the proposal from an unnamed quarter and this time I believe him. Ellis felt Ray Ranson's bid of £47 million last summer undervalued the club and with surrounding land valued at around £20m, it would take something like £60m to make him sell up.


I understand that those interested are Villa fans and judging by the chairman's comments on Friday, that will be highly relevant.


It may just be a platitude for him to say that the key is the sort of people who'd take the club forward - rather than the money on offer - but such a scenario would allow Ellis to step down with honour and remain a welcome presence on match days.


He would love still to sit in the directors' box. We shall see. Possibly within a month.


If so, David O'Leary and his successors in the manager's office could regret his passing. It was always handy to point the finger at the chairman's foibles when the team fell short, season after season.


'Don't blame me, blame Deadly Doug' loses impact when it's trotted out for so long.


The annual meeting yielded some interesting nuggets, not least of all how much it costs to sign footballers these days.


We were told that the total cost of buying six players in the close season was £14.963m but when you add their salaries for the first season, it shoots up to £21.888m.


Villa managed to bring in £5.23m for the sale of Darius Vassell and Nobby Solano - including salaries for the forthcoming season - so that left a commitment of £16.658m towards new players.


Add the loan deals bringing in Erik Bakke and James Milner before the end of August and that's a solid investment by the club.


That's a salutary corrective if you hear David O'Leary complaining again about a lack of depth in his squad. Villa's stake in new players was double that of West Bromwich Albion and Birmingham City - and even Arsenal.


With a new training ground, costing £8m, due to be ready for the start of next season, it's simply unfair of the anti-Ellis brigade to bang on about the chairman's parsimony.


O'Leary may be interested to know that his chairman has committed him to appear on a few supporters' forums this season.


A justified criticism from the floor that the fans rarely see O'Leary address the supporters clearly stung the chairman who replied magisterially: "I'll ask David to go to the next fans' forum".


Quite right, too. Villa's poor communications skills as a club need to be addressed. In contrast to O'Leary, Steve Bruce attends around ten Blues supporters' forums a season. He's done three already this campaign.


Another point may scotch a rumour that's gathered momentum down the years. Robbie Keane was not lost to Villa for the sake of just £500,000. Ellis said he had done the deal with Wolves to sign the Irish striker for £5.5m, but the player chose instead to go to Coventry City in 1999.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 19, 2005, 05:01:18 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
He also was someone who considring his position could not help actually giving me some help but we had very heated conversations through e-mail and phone and he would not be moved.


Was this following when you called him a tosser in an email and accidentally copied him in?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 19, 2005, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Oh, so not many of them then.

I just got told on the mailing list that there were 600-700 at the meetings in the Leisure Centre, what happened?


If I can compare them to a cornershop (in this case I think I can), their customers got tired of seeing the same old produce repackaged and displayed as "fresh". Their other problem was they only opened from 3am until 7am, which was little use to their customers but did make the press.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2005, 05:07:03 PM
Quote
I just got told on the mailing list that there were 600-700 at the meetings in the Leisure Centre, what happened?


They were attendees, not members.

As was pointed out numerous times, they aren't a membership organisation. It is (possibly) this which leads to the irritation over Fear being labelled as a fans spokesman and VFC being an umbrella organisation. It's decisions seem to be made by one or two people, although I presume the SA agree owing to the similarity in spokespeople.

In all seriousness, I can't believe anyone can have the front to accuse Doug of spin, bluster, having no mandate (save his own shares) and not listening to people, while being in their own closed shop. It's not that I necessarily disagree with the message, I just bulk at the hypocrisy.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Oh, so not many of them then.

I just got told on the mailing list that there were 600-700 at the meetings in the Leisure Centre, what happened?


Who really takes any notice of VFC? A mailing list on which about a dozen people post supports them, they're backed by one comparatively small website and we (another site that isn't very big in the greater scheme of things) tend to debate them when we're bored. Elsewhere, they're largely ignored.

For a group established in a blaze of publicity over two years ago, and which claims to have "forged good relations with the media, corporate advisers, lawyers and financiers, many from large City firms, as well as achieving a great deal of support from AVFC's major customer base, the supporters" (Press Release 27/7/03) they haven't really made much subsequent impact.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 19, 2005, 05:15:28 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
I just got told on the mailing list that there were 600-700 at the meetings in the Leisure Centre, what happened?


There weren't that many. 700 would have been full capacity.  And there were plenty of empty seats.

I said at the time 400-500.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: martin on October 19, 2005, 05:20:05 PM
There was the undetaker and someone from the meejia called Jonny who's almost certainly sorry and gone on home.

I'm off to bulk at the publicity a bloke from Headless Cross has managed to stir up for himself on here.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 05:26:06 PM
Quote
Who really takes any notice of VFC?


Priceless.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 05:26:54 PM
Come on one more page and we can finish the thread.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 19, 2005, 05:27:09 PM
You got in before me but it seems 20 pages on this threqad proves quite a lot do !!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 05:28:55 PM
21.

Can a moderator lock this thread now to prove my powers of seeing the future.

Ta.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 19, 2005, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
You got in before me but it seems 20 pages on this threqad proves quite a lot do !!!


No Ian, we on H&V are not a lot of people as a percentage of the Villa fanbase, go out and ask your average Villa shirted bloke on the street about VFC and chances are he either won't have a clue what your on about or he'll mention something about some bloke called Fear and a red card protest.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 19, 2005, 05:40:41 PM
I think dave you have missed the irony of it.

reckon this will reach 50 pages when Jon annouces he is brushing his teeth tonight !!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 05:44:59 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
I think dave you have missed the irony of it.

reckon this will reach 50 pages when Jon annouces he is brushing his teeth tonight !!!


Is it his birthday?

Let's get this thread up to 100+ pages.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 05:45:47 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "ianrobo"
He also was someone who considring his position could not help actually giving me some help but we had very heated conversations through e-mail and phone and he would not be moved.


Was this following when you called him a tosser in an email and accidentally copied him in?


Worth repeating.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 19, 2005, 05:51:54 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
..reckon this will reach 50 pages when Jon annouces he is brushing his teeth tonight !!!


Why, is there a press release?

Seriously, it was a great idea, shame it never worked. There was no harm in educating the press about the popularity of Doug Ellis at Villa Park, not to mention his shortcomings as a Chairman. Anybody that makes the effort to make a stand on something they truely believe in deserves a bit of respect in my book, no matter how poorly that stand is executed.

One thing that we all must face if we are taken over, is the opportunity to face the future together, not only as fans but as a club, with everybody pulling in the same direction. If that can be achieved, we finally will have a club to be proud of. I really hope it happens, though I won't be holding my breath.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 19, 2005, 05:58:16 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "ianrobo"
..reckon this will reach 50 pages when Jon annouces he is brushing his teeth tonight !!!


Why, is there a press release?

Seriously, it was a great idea, shame it never worked. There was no harm in educating the press about the popularity of Doug Ellis at Villa Park, not to mention his shortcomings as a Chairman. Anybody that makes the effort to make a stand on something they truely believe in deserves a bit of respect in my book, no matter how poorly that stand is executed.

One thing that we all must face if we are taken over, is the opportunity to face the future together, not only as fans but as a club, with everybody pulling in the same direction. If that can be achieved, we finally will have a club to be proud of. I really hope it happens, though I won't be holding my breath.



I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I'd like to hold it in my arms
And keep it company

I'd like to see the world for once
All standing hand in hand
And hear them echo through the hills
Ah, peace throughout the land
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 19, 2005, 06:00:48 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "ianrobo"
He also was someone who considring his position could not help actually giving me some help but we had very heated conversations through e-mail and phone and he would not be moved.


Was this following when you called him a tosser in an email and accidentally copied him in?


Worth repeating.


Oh stu and then I chatted with Ansell afterwards and explained it all and within a week I spoke to him again.

Big deal, why is the past history so interesting to you, it feels like i gained my groupie again just like in the good ole' days.

(awaits with excitment the next funny remark so I can split my sides)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 06:01:57 PM
Somebody get some coke for Chris Smith.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 06:07:35 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
...it feels like i gained my groupie again just like in the good ole' days.


In your dreams Tehman.

It wasn’t me that spent hours researching into your background although from what I’ve heard they could base a sequel to the Loneliness of a Long Distance Runner on it.

Anyone who remembers your previous persona on this site is aware that your obsession with Disco Stu knows no bounds.

Teh, teh, teh Chris Waddle.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 19, 2005, 06:09:39 PM
Oi! Delia, you calling my pint a hippy?

Seriously Chris, there is a big opportunity to get this club back where it belongs. Read the first paragraph of the Andy Lockhead interview in Woodhall's book. You should know, you were there too.

The only problem I see, is Villa fans expecting to receive everything on a plate, instead of joining in and having a voice. VFC - Villa Fans Complaining.....ring any bells?

White riot!
I wanna riot!
White riot, I'll riot on my own!

Oh hang on....... :-k
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 19, 2005, 06:09:49 PM
not that funny, I'm disappointed Stu.

your standards have slipped over the years.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 19, 2005, 06:13:38 PM
Quote from: "ianrobo"
told you it would be funny


Hardly a case of unrivalled prescience is it?

Edit: (Oh dear he's changed his mind, well you would, wouldn't you if you had a mind like that?)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: GaryShaw on October 19, 2005, 06:14:31 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
I thought Pete definitely wasn't. (Where is he when you need him?) Don't know Mike Field - completely new name to me. John Cresswell was in the AGM walkout I believe, but I didn't know he was of. Certainly not the impression I've got reading VFC threads on their site.


Then you believe wrongly.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 19, 2005, 06:27:23 PM
I don't disagree, Mark.

A period of everyone pulling in the same direction would make a welcome change.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2005, 06:51:57 PM
So thanks to Gary Shaw, we now know John Cresswell is no part thereof. We are back to two people. Unless Gary Shaw makes three.

So Ian, what prompted the Stalinist rewrite?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 19, 2005, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Quote from: "ianrobo"
...it feels like i gained my groupie again just like in the good ole' days.


In your dreams Tehman.


Genius!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 19, 2005, 08:00:21 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
So thanks to Gary Shaw, we now know John Cresswell is no part thereof. We are back to two people. Unless Gary Shaw makes three.


Right, let's get this sorted out once and for all. VFC speak on behalf of all Villa supporters so i reckon there are tens of thousands of members. Surely the best way of establishing who the members are is for those of us who have nothing to do with VFC and quite frankly wish they would shut the fuck up to come clean.

My name is Chris Jameson and i am NOT a member of VFC.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 19, 2005, 08:03:23 PM
My name's Dave Cooper and quite frankly I don't think VFC would want me!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Warren Aspinall on October 19, 2005, 08:11:43 PM
I hereby declare that I Ian 'Warren Aspinall' O'Shea is a pro anti-VFC member.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 19, 2005, 08:14:29 PM
I'd never thought of it before but for VFC, a non-membership closed secret group, to call themselves Villa Fans Combined a crouping of websites and fans groups, which in effect was Jon Fear, Naz, the bloke that hosted Jon Fear's web column, and Pete Bosworth.  It's all very funny.

Remember that next time Villa Fans' Chief speaks for YOU!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 19, 2005, 08:28:28 PM
Is that you oficially denying membership of VFC then Mac?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 10:03:37 PM
Mark Kelly wrote...
Quote
Anybody that makes the effort to make a stand on something they truely believe in deserves a bit of respect in my book, no matter how poorly that stand is executed.


Get in!

So bollocks to all the Jon Fear haters.

Never met him, I might not like him, but at least he did something.

Why don't you all form your own group.

No?

UFO
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 19, 2005, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Mark Kelly wrote...
Quote
Anybody that makes the effort to make a stand on something they truely believe in deserves a bit of respect in my book, no matter how poorly that stand is executed.


Get in!

So bollocks to all the Jon Fear haters.

Never met him, I might not like him, but at least he did something.

Why don't you all form your own group.

No?

UFO


You're making an assumption that nobody on here has ever done anything then?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 10:05:43 PM
Quote
You're making an assumption that nobody on here has ever done anything then?


No, I know they have.

So has Jon.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 10:09:19 PM
Quote
Right, let's get this sorted out once and for all. VFC speak on behalf of all Villa supporters


No!

Lets get this sorted!

VFC speak for who they speak for.

If you don't like it join a group that speak for you.

Oh...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 10:11:00 PM
You have no idea how bitterly disappointed I am that we are on page 22.

I thought I had the power.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 19, 2005, 10:16:31 PM
Laughing Gravity - There is a group that others are in, it is called the Aston Villa Supporters' Trust.

Check it out.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 19, 2005, 10:20:03 PM
Quote
Laughing Gravity - There is a group that others are in, it is called the Aston Villa Supporters' Trust


I know, splendid, join it, make a noise.

Or form another group and make another noise.

Whatever.

Don't knock people for wearing their heart on a sleeve.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 19, 2005, 10:46:31 PM
I'm knocking it LG I'm just pointing out that there are some who do belong to groups who speak on their behalf (such as the Trust). It wasn't meant to be offensive to you.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: RussellC on October 19, 2005, 10:56:40 PM
I'm in a group called 'Aston Villa Supporters'.  What's great about our group is that we all have varied opinions on different matters, whilst many agree in the main and others don't.  It's great.

Fairly regularly we meet at Villa Park, and occasionally at other venues around the UK (we even used to meet abroad).  These meetings are very casual but everybody gets to voice their opinion.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 19, 2005, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
So thanks to Gary Shaw, we now know John Cresswell is no part thereof. We are back to two people. Unless Gary Shaw makes three.

So Ian, what prompted the Stalinist rewrite?


I think John Cresswell has consistently said he's not part of VFC but his website takes a pro VFC stance, generally, but VFC get stick over there too.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 11:36:25 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Whatever.

Don't knock people for wearing their heart on a sleeve.


I don't knock people for wearing their heart on a sleeve, their sleeve or any sleeve.

I knock people when they get upset because I don't want to wear their heart on my sleeve.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 19, 2005, 11:47:35 PM
RussellC - Theres no denying that we all have at some time, or do belong to that group, although for some of us getting to Villa Park is extremely  time consuming and expensive.  

You're right though, it is great and I wouldn't want it any other way.   =D>
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 19, 2005, 11:54:22 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
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Who really takes any notice of VFC?


Priceless.


Why? A dozen or so on here. Let's say the same number onVillatalk. Half a dozen on the mailing list. Thirty or so in total, out of thirty-odd thousand who go down the match. It's an irrelevant number, and that's what VFC, in reality, are.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 20, 2005, 07:14:03 AM
Don't know fear, don't know bosworth or any of the other VFC people. I've no problem with villa fans doing things out of love for my football team. However, I have a problem with them sending out the same statement time and time again,they start to get predictable and boring. Walking out in a pique of rage at an AGM or abusing Ellis for the sake of it does them no favours either. They do not look like the professinal outfit they seemed when they first appeared. They look at best amateurish. If some people support them, fine, I and many others do not. Again, like many others I want Doug out, but VFC come across as just attention seeking egotistical lightweights with no direction. Exactly the same criticism they throw at Ellis. I would perfer it if they put out a statement that they do not speak for all Villa fans, but if they did they would lose any press coverage. If they lost that they would lose their raison d'etre. Therefore, how can they be nothing more than attention seekers. They embarrass and irritate  me more than I cannot stand Ellis at the moment.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 20, 2005, 08:26:12 AM
Quote from: "Tony"
........ but VFC get stick over there too.


And is very moderated also, but then that's their choice.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: GaryShaw on October 20, 2005, 08:44:58 AM
VFC are irrelevant. They/He are a very small voice in an enormous choir of fans. They have a right to exist as I have the right to laugh at them.        
      When Doug finally goes they can slap themselves/his self on the back as having no part in his leaving and get on with supporting the team or perhaps start a protest group advisory service. The one thing they should stop doing is claiming to be my voice.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: We're splat out of luck on October 20, 2005, 08:54:24 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Whatever.

Don't knock people for wearing their heart on a sleeve.


I don't knock people for wearing their heart on a sleeve, their sleeve or any sleeve.

I knock people when they get upset because I don't want to wear their heart on my sleeve.


My Sleeve: http://www.myspace.com/thedominoparade[/u][/url]
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 20, 2005, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Don't knock people for wearing their heart on a sleeve.


Or their egos?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 10:13:35 AM
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However, I have a problem with them sending out the same statement time and time again,they start to get predictable and boring.


Form your own group of people and send out your own statements. Or join a group that conforms to your opinions, but there isn't a lot of choice as far as that's concerned.

You obviously think there are lot of people out their who disagree with the VFC stuff. Well now is your chance to unite them and spread the message of the majority.

This is a wonderfully free country in some respects and you are allowed to do that.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 10:14:14 AM
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Or their egos?


I did say this was all about egos.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 20, 2005, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
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However, I have a problem with them sending out the same statement time and time again,they start to get predictable and boring.


Form your own group of people and send out your own statements. Or join a group that conforms to your opinions, but there isn't a lot of choice as far as that's concerned.

You obviously think there are lot of people out their who disagree with the VFC stuff. Well now is your chance to unite them and spread the message of the majority.

This is a wonderfully free country in some respects and you are allowed to do that.


Why should I? I don't agree with lots of things but I don't bang drums and march up and down streets, or issue statements, commenting on them. If VFC want to put themselves in the public gaze then they are open to criticism, or does suppression form part of their strategy. They bore me, do not speak for me, put themselves in the public eye as if they do, so I will react against them.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 10:27:26 AM
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Why should I?


It's a free country.

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If VFC want to put themselves in the public gaze then they are open to criticism, or does suppression form part of their strategy.


No I don't think suppression is part of their strategy.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 20, 2005, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
concerned.

You obviously think there are lot of people out their who disagree with the VFC stuff. Well now is your chance to unite them and spread the message of the majority.



And say what? Ellis In? There's no point, he's there already. Ellis Out but we don't want to shout about it? That's a bit self-defeating.

One of the pro-VFC lobby's regular claims is that anyone who disagrees with them should 'do something themselves.' Many of us have, for many years, and with no help from anyone who is part of VFC, because they didn't seem too keen on doing anything at all prior to forming their gang. I don't remembr Jon Fear handing out many £ signs, or helping with Ian Robinson's election campaign, for starters.

Others don't want to do anything because they've got what they want already. It's not about egos, it's about VFC's inability to accept that ordinary supporters can disagree with them.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mazrim on October 20, 2005, 10:36:06 AM
I represent the Villa Fans Front of Judea. [VFFJ] NOT the Judean Villa Fans Front.


Fucking Popular Front of Judean Villa fans....  [-(
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 10:41:10 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
This is a wonderfully free country in some respects and you are allowed to do that.


You may have noticed that people on this site are using such freedom to express varied opinions about VFC.  You seem to think that this is the crime of the century and people should be constrained from doing so unless they are willing to form “their own group” of some description.  

That is, if I may say so, an incredibly ridiculous point of view.

One of my primary objections to Fear’s latest ego-driven media offering is the fact that his palpable disappointment that Villa did not lose last Sunday is so barely concealed that it’s embarrassing.  The guy is clearly so desperate to get his name in the papers that he wishes disaster on the team that most people on this site support with the hearts they wear on their sleeves.  

If the VFC leader requires undiluted public adulation he should have hesitated before entering the agitation game.  It’s a thick skin that’s required not a thick head.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 10:55:37 AM
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You may have noticed that people on this site are using such freedom to express varied opinions about VFC. You seem to think that this is the crime of the century


VFC are using their freedom to express their opinion and that's no crime either, although some people think it is.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 10:57:31 AM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"


One of my primary objections to Fear’s latest ego-driven media offering is the fact that his palpable disappointment that Villa did not lose last Sunday is so barely concealed that it’s embarrassing.  


Yeah, I can see how saying
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Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday
would lead anybody to think that.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 10:59:55 AM
Dave Woodhall said:
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I don't remembr Jon Fear handing out many £ signs, or helping with Ian Robinson's election campaign, for starters.


Can you imagine the uproar and piss taking on here if VFC came up with the idea of standing in a General Eelection?  Proof that it's not about what VFC do, but the clash of personalities behind the scenes.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 11:00:57 AM
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Proof that it's not about what VFC do, but the clash of personalities behind the scenes.


Hammer nail head.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 20, 2005, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Dave Woodhall said:
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I don't remembr Jon Fear handing out many £ signs, or helping with Ian Robinson's election campaign, for starters.


Can you imagine the uproar and piss taking on here if VFC came up with the idea of standing in a General Eelection?  Proof that it's not about what VFC do, but the clash of personalities behind the scenes.


Or perhaps it's a realisation that just banging on about ELLIS OUT has been tried and didn't really achieve much as without a viable alternative it's just pissing in the wind.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 11:10:47 AM
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it's just pissing in the wind.


Better to light a candle than curse the darkness.

I think George Formby wrote that as well.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"

Or perhaps it's a realisation that just banging on about ELLIS OUT has been tried and didn't really achieve much as without a viable alternative it's just pissing in the wind.


Read through this thread again.  Actually don't, life's too short.  If there was anything constructive along those lines Chris, you'd have a point, but mostly it's just the Fantastic Four having a dig with their smart arsery.  Fair enough, it's a discussion board after all, but to pretend it's anything other than being petty and vindictive is just wrong.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"


One of my primary objections to Fear’s latest ego-driven media offering is the fact that his palpable disappointment that Villa did not lose last Sunday is so barely concealed that it’s embarrassing.  


Yeah, I can see how saying
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Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday
would lead anybody to think that.


Just admit it, Fear and good few saddos like him are desperate for Villa to do badly so they can use it as a stick to beat Ellis.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 11:18:46 AM
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Just admit it, Fear and good few saddos like him are desperate for Villa to do badly


See what I mean Chris?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 11:21:25 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
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Just admit it, Fear and good few saddos like him are desperate for Villa to do badly


See what I mean Chris?


They want the truth but they can’t handle the truth.  

By the way, isn’t it rather ironic that the very same touchy VFC types who are complaining about long threads concerning VFC’s many shortcomings are the ones that are keeping the threads going?  

I predict a riot.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 20, 2005, 11:23:47 AM
The only thing the laughable VFC have ever achieved is to make Villa fans look like a bunch of moaning whingeing bastards with chips on their shoulders.
No doubt when Doug does eventually leave they'll consider it some kind of great victory for themselves. It'll have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the man (Ellis) is well into his eighties or the fact that he has found someone to sell to who can invest in the club long term. Oh no it'll have nothing to do with that, it'll have all to do with their pathetic pound signs and their embarrassing "we have noticed with interest" press releases that they spout out every other week.
and do you know what, half of the tedious tossers don't even go and support the team.
Sad bastards, go and get a life and leave the rest of us to support the club.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 20, 2005, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
it's just the Fantastic Four having a dig with their smart arsery.

I don't know about that, but I'd like to think that Chris Smith, Richard Hubbard and I are the modern day 3 Stooges.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: "saunders_heroes"
Oh no it'll have nothing to do with that, it'll have all to do with their pathetic pound signs and their embarrassing "we have noticed with interest" press releases that they spout out every other week.
and do you know what, half of the tedious tossers don't even go and support the team.
Sad bastards, go and get a life and leave the rest of us to support the club.


The "pathetic" pound sign protest wasn't anything to do with VFC.  And how do you know who goes to the matches and who doesn't?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 11:27:13 AM
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smart arsery


Who is this person?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 11:30:06 AM
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And how do you know who goes to the matches and who doesn't?


He knows lots of things, completion dates and other inside stuff.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 20, 2005, 11:31:26 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "saunders_heroes"
Oh no it'll have nothing to do with that, it'll have all to do with their pathetic pound signs and their embarrassing "we have noticed with interest" press releases that they spout out every other week.
and do you know what, half of the tedious tossers don't even go and support the team.
Sad bastards, go and get a life and leave the rest of us to support the club.


The "pathetic" pound sign protest wasn't anything to do with VFC.  And how do you know who goes to the matches and who doesn't?


Of course those signs had nothing to do with the VFC, of course they didn't.
As for not going the games, well pop over to Villatalk and ask how many of them are refusing to visit Villa Park untill Ellis leaves. You'll be surprised you know. Trust me.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 11:31:33 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "saunders_heroes"
Oh no it'll have nothing to do with that, it'll have all to do with their pathetic pound signs and their embarrassing "we have noticed with interest" press releases that they spout out every other week.
and do you know what, half of the tedious tossers don't even go and support the team.
Sad bastards, go and get a life and leave the rest of us to support the club.


The "pathetic" pound sign protest wasn't anything to do with VFC.  And how do you know who goes to the matches and who doesn't?


To be fair, all of the VFC bigwigs have season tickets.

Apparently, they’re all in the Tilton Road End.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 20, 2005, 11:32:15 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
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And how do you know who goes to the matches and who doesn't?


He knows lots of things, completion dates and other inside stuff.


Did you note that with interest by any chance??
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: "saunders_heroes"


Did you note that with interest by any chance??


Superb!   :smt041
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 20, 2005, 11:48:10 AM
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Of course those signs had nothing to do with the VFC, of course they didn't.


VFC has been going for just over 2 years to my knowledge, the £ sign protests were at least 4 years ago when Gregory was still manager. Some of the same people might have been involved in organising it, I don't know, but it was certainly well before the VFC came into being.

I thought as far as it went that was a succesful protest in that a large percentage of fans held them up and it got a lot of publicity. In hindsight it's easy to see that on it's own it wasn't going to achieve much but you don't know that until you give it a try.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 11:54:50 AM
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I thought as far as it went that was a succesful protest in that a large percentage of fans held them up and it got a lot of publicity. In hindsight it's easy to see that on it's own it wasn't going to achieve much but you don't know that until you give it a try.


It was very successful.

It brought attention to the fact that the Villa board thought it was OK to play defenders or crap loan players from lower divisions up front rather than spend money like our peers.

I thought it was great.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: BW on October 20, 2005, 12:15:36 PM
Aided by JG, iirc.

"20, 000 £ signs? What happened to the 30,000 that I handed out!"

or similar
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: martin on October 20, 2005, 12:34:52 PM
The pound sign thing was by something called the VPL which, to my knowledge, has now been de-wedgied.

It didn't work because it led to Juampi joining.

Was there another pound sign protest after this?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 20, 2005, 12:46:53 PM
Quote from: "Risso"


Yeah, I can see how saying
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Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday
would lead anybody to think that.



Selective quoting there Risso!

The full quote is:
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"Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."



So on the day after the Derby victory while every other Villa fan was celebrating Fear just had to find a way to have a bash at Ellis, typical, predictable and completely pointless.
As someone has already pointed out, it's their timing that makes them so bloody irritating.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 20, 2005, 12:53:19 PM
Name and shame the Fantastic Four Risso.

For the benefit of Laughing Gravity, I have never suggested VFC gives up. In fact, I'm happy to restate that I'd love to see them keep going for years. And I'd back their right to do so regardless.

However, if you live in the public eye, promoting a political campaign, you should be able to handle criticism (which they are about 50/50 on) and answer questions (which they just don't). While they're still around, I'll still express an opinion and ask questions. That okay with you?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 12:55:27 PM
Excellent Simon.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 12:55:48 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"

So on the day after the Derby victory while every other Villa fan was celebrating Fear just had to find a way to have a bash at Ellis, typical, predictable and completely pointless.
As someone has already pointed out, it's their timing that makes them so bloody irritating.


Whether you agree with the timing or not, I still can't see how any person of sound mind could form the conclusion that Jon Fear was unhappy at the team winning.  All he pointed out was that one win over Small Heath didn't suddenly mean all our problems were sorted out.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 20, 2005, 12:56:36 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
...Ellis Out but we don't want to shout about it? That's a bit self-defeating....


I'm surprised no one has picked up on this point. It's most intriguing.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 20, 2005, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Can you imagine the uproar and piss taking on here if VFC came up with the idea of standing in a General Eelection?  Proof that it's not about what VFC do, but the clash of personalities behind the scenes.


Nope, it's definately about what they do. Putting "Terry Weir RIP" on their Red Card protest was a fuckwit of an idea.

The VFC must be extremely arrogant if they think it's about personailties rather than some of the stupid things they do and say.  Although, it is hard to ignore some of their "personalities", I'll grant you.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 12:59:46 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
While they're still around, I'll still express an opinion and ask questions. That okay with you?


Everybody's got the right to their opinion, it's just that some people dress up their petty personal vendettas as concern for the club.  (I'm not including you in that by the way)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 20, 2005, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
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And how do you know who goes to the matches and who doesn't?


He knows lots of things, completion dates and other inside stuff.


Is it impossible for you to actually name whom you are quoting?  You'd make life a hell of a lot easier for us
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 20, 2005, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
...Ellis Out but we don't want to shout about it? That's a bit self-defeating....


I'm surprised no one has picked up on this point. It's most intriguing.


Never be amazed at the points which are missed on VFC threads, intentionally or otherwise.

Seconded on the personalities point Mac. I like Jon Fear. Naz I don't really know but the couple of occasions I've met him he's come across as a far more decent bloke than me.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 01:04:19 PM
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You'd make life a hell of a lot easier for us


I didn't get where I am today by making life easier for other people.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 01:13:54 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Simon Page"
While they're still around, I'll still express an opinion and ask questions. That okay with you?


Everybody's got the right to their opinion, it's just that some people dress up their petty personal vendettas as concern for the club.  (I'm not including you in that by the way)


Perhaps you ought to name and shame these people and expose what these petty personal vendettas are or others might conclude that you’re just once again making misleading statements to shore-up your increasingly desperate arguments.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"

Perhaps you ought to name and shame these people


I don't think the readers of H&V need any help differentiating the decent posters from the petty stirrers.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 20, 2005, 01:19:16 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
Seconded on the personalities point Mac. I like Jon Fear. Naz I don't really know but the couple of occasions I've met him he's come across as a far more decent bloke than me.


I've only ever said "hello" to Jon once.  Naz is a nice bloke - although he did annoy me when he continued to refer to himself as "Chairman of AVISA" for almost 12 months after it had disbanded.

That said.... the last time Box was on here he was exceedingly sly and rude.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 20, 2005, 01:20:05 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"

Perhaps you ought to name and shame these people


I don't think the readers of H&V need any help differentiating the decent posters from the petty stirrers.


I think you should name them.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 01:26:16 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"

Perhaps you ought to name and shame these people


I don't think the readers of H&V need any help differentiating the decent posters from the petty stirrers.


I think you should name them.


He should definitely name them.

He’s made the allegation and further said there are “petty personal vendettas”.

Everybody will no doubt be very interested to hear all about such intriguing matters.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 20, 2005, 01:28:22 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
That said.... the last time Box was on here he was exceedingly sly and rude.

He was Brilliant. Can we get him back on here?
Does he charge by the hour?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 20, 2005, 01:34:31 PM
Pioneered the storming out protest no less. Even took his posts with him.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 01:39:12 PM
Does Risso’s failure to tell us who these reprobates are and give us any information about the vendettas mean he was once again just making it all up as he went along in order to advance the shakiest of arguments?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 20, 2005, 01:39:54 PM
OK, I'll name them.



It's dump, Mr dump, tallulah and Willy W.

I've yet to see them post anything positive about VFC.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 01:41:38 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Does Risso’s failure to tell us who these reprobates are and give us any information about the vendettas mean he was once again just making it all up as he went along in order to advance the shakiest of arguments?


Or does it say that I'm not going to play your daft little games?  I think so.  Like I said, it's fairly obvious who the wind up merchants are.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 20, 2005, 01:42:17 PM
I believe that Boxy was/is a member of the paramilitary arm of VFC. I can't say much more as I don't want his lawyers on my tail.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 01:46:34 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Does Risso’s failure to tell us who these reprobates are and give us any information about the vendettas mean he was once again just making it all up as he went along in order to advance the shakiest of arguments?


Or does it say that I'm not going to play your daft little games?  I think so.  Like I said, it's fairly obvious who the wind up merchants are.


You’ve sensationally claimed that these people, whom you steadfastly refuse to name, are motivated by “petty personal vendettas”, of which we must assume that you have insider knowledge.

You should either fill us all in on the juicy details or withdraw the claim.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 01:49:11 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"

You should either fill us all in on the juicy details or withdraw the claim.


Why, because you say so?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 20, 2005, 01:49:56 PM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
I believe that Boxy was/is a member of the paramilitary arm of VFC. I can't say much more as I don't want his lawyers on my tail.


They can't be any good - they never contacted Dave.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 20, 2005, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"

You should either fill us all in on the juicy details or withdraw the claim.


Why, because you say so?


No, but because you want to defend you line of arguement.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 01:53:42 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"

You should either fill us all in on the juicy details or withdraw the claim.


Why, because you say so?


No, mainly because it just looks like a person’s talking out of their arse if they can’t (or haven’t got the courage to) actually substantiate what they’ve written.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 20, 2005, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
I believe that Boxy was/is a member of the paramilitary arm of VFC. I can't say much more as I don't want his lawyers on my tail.


They can't be any good - they never contacted Dave.

Aye, but Dave has something of the night about him as he slips in and out of the shadows (oo-er), very hard to get hold of. I'm far easier to find.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 01:54:58 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"

No, mainly because it just looks like a person’s talking out of their arse if they can’t (or haven’t got the courage to) actually substantiate what they’ve written.


Yawn.  Whatever.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 02:01:52 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"

No, mainly because it just looks like a person’s talking out of their arse if they can’t (or haven’t got the courage to) actually substantiate what they’ve written.


Yawn.  Whatever.


Things must be getting bad for this VFC lot.  After resorting to the gutter yesterday Risso’s now gone for the sulky teenager tactic.

More importantly however, everyone who’s read this thread now knows that Risso’s contributions aren’t worth the bit of cyberspace they exist in.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 20, 2005, 02:03:33 PM
If I wrote something along the lines of: "Certain people in VFC simply want to further their own interests and sate their personal vendettas," should I have to back up the claim in order for it to be taken seriously?

Maybe we should sticky a personal vendetta thread where we can name and shame.

Edit: I still want to know who the Fantastic Four are. And if they are really fantastic.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: gav on October 20, 2005, 02:03:52 PM
Ahh, i'd forgotten how entertaining the cliquiness of grown men on the internet can be.  Thank god for Villa fans.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 20, 2005, 02:05:39 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
More importantly however, everyone who’s read this thread now knows that Risso’s contributions aren’t worth the bit of cyberspace they exist in.


The majority of the readership gave up a long time ago in expecting to find anything of any substance in a VFC thread.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 02:09:01 PM
Quote from: "usav"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
More importantly however, everyone who’s read this thread now knows that Risso’s contributions aren’t worth the bit of cyberspace they exist in.


The majority of the readership gave up a long time ago in expecting to find anything of any substance in a VFC thread.


Well, you never know.  This one's still got 74+ pages to go.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 20, 2005, 02:09:06 PM
And who are you to claim to speak on behalf of the majority?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 20, 2005, 02:10:25 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
[.

everyone who’s read this thread now knows that Risso’s contributions aren’t worth the bit of cyberspace they exist in.


are you professing to be the official spokesperson for H&V now, Stewpot?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 20, 2005, 02:13:27 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
And who are you to claim to speak on behalf of the majority?


Up yours.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 02:15:45 PM
Quote from: "Chico Hamilton III"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
[.

everyone who’s read this thread now knows that Risso’s contributions aren’t worth the bit of cyberspace they exist in.


are you professing to be the official spokesperson for H&V now, Stewpot?


I certainly am not, which is one of the many good reasons why I’ve never claimed to be such.

I can’t speak for Stu (not Stew) but it doesn’t sound as if it would be up his street either.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 02:15:49 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Risso’s now gone for the sulky teenager tactic.


And that's from the person who refrained from posting (read: took his ball home) as Disco Stu for 10 days after a bit of fun was poked at him around the time of the Tory conference.

Anyway this whole thread's been childish, so surely the sulky teenager tactic is perfectly justified.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 20, 2005, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Risso’s now gone for the sulky teenager tactic.


And that's from the person who refrained from posting (read: took his ball home) as Disco Stu for 10 days after a bit of fun was poked at him around the time of the Tory conference.

Anyway this whole thread's been childish, so surely the sulky teenager tactic is perfectly justified.


And we all know how much little Rissokins missed his Disco Stu but little Rissokins must understand that Stu can’t always be stuck to the computer to entertain the likes of him.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 20, 2005, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: "usav"
Quote from: "Simon Page"
And who are you to claim to speak on behalf of the majority?


Up yours.


I think you meant: "A majority spokesman said 'up yours'."
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"

And we all know how much little Rissokins missed his Disco Stu but little Rissokins must understand that Stu can’t always be stuck to the computer to entertain the likes of him.


So you didn't have the hump then?  For 10 days?  And then join again under a new name?  Purely so you could carry on with the "either/or" thread?

Sorry, my mistake!  

 :smt003
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 02:22:33 PM
I've worked out who Smart Arsey is!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 20, 2005, 02:28:16 PM
Come, come, Risso.

You’re plainly just trying to distract people’s attention from these allegations you’ve made but can’t substantiate.

By the way, you’ve also failed miserably to work out the motivation behind the time waster involvement.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on October 20, 2005, 02:30:38 PM
Oh Christ, another VFC thread ends in a big scrap.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 20, 2005, 02:39:57 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"

And we all know how much little Rissokins missed his Disco Stu but little Rissokins must understand that Stu can’t always be stuck to the computer to entertain the likes of him.


So you didn't have the hump then?  For 10 days?  And then join again under a new name?


I know, as you posted elsewhere at great length, you missed me terribly and it must have seemed an awful long time to somebody so obviously lovelorn but where does this ten days come from?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 02:43:14 PM
Did you get a proper haircut?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: martin on October 20, 2005, 03:11:48 PM
I'm with Fletch on Box. Field was a bit creepy; Fear, in best Fuzzy Wuzzy when confronted with Corporal Jones stylee, didn't seem to like it up him, and eventually left with ball firmly clutched, but Box was definitely worth the entrance fee none of us actually pay.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 03:27:02 PM
Especially for Simon, the Fantastic Four (with tongue mostly in cheek):

Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!

The Invisible Woman - Disco Stu, disappears before your very eyes!  For days at a time!

The Human Torch - Ian Robinson, Flame on!  Flame!  Flame!  Flame!

The Thing - Mac McColgan, the ginger clobberer!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 20, 2005, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
with tongue mostly in cheek


Mostly Fear's.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 20, 2005, 03:59:24 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!

Dave drops anchor at poo bay???!!!!??????
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: gav on October 20, 2005, 04:04:44 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Especially for Simon, the Fantastic Four (with tongue mostly in cheek):

Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!

The Invisible Woman - Disco Stu, disappears before your very eyes!  For days at a time!

The Human Torch - Ian Robinson, Flame on!  Flame!  Flame!  Flame!

The Thing - Mac McColgan, the ginger clobberer!


Nah, Stu'd be the human torch cause he's the one who always makes the smart arse comments.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 20, 2005, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Especially for Simon, the Fantastic Four (with tongue mostly in cheek):

Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!

The Invisible Woman - Disco Stu, disappears before your very eyes!  For days at a time!

The Human Torch - Ian Robinson, Flame on!  Flame!  Flame!  Flame!

The Thing - Mac McColgan, the ginger clobberer!


Well, well. Another VFC acolyte making juvenile comments from behind the safety of a computer screen.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 04:36:54 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Risso"
Especially for Simon, the Fantastic Four (with tongue mostly in cheek):

Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!

The Invisible Woman - Disco Stu, disappears before your very eyes!  For days at a time!

The Human Torch - Ian Robinson, Flame on!  Flame!  Flame!  Flame!

The Thing - Mac McColgan, the ginger clobberer!


Well, well. Another VFC acolyte making juvenile comments from behind the safety of a computer screen.


It was a joke, but that notwithstanding, how on earth else are you supposed to make juvenile comments on an internet message board, if not from behind a computer screen?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 20, 2005, 04:40:33 PM
Ah, so it was a joke. That's why my sides just split.

What's a joke doing on this board?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Ah, so it was a joke. That's why my sides just split.

What's a joke doing on this board?


I didn't say it was funny, but at least it wasn't the bird flu one!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 20, 2005, 04:50:42 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Well, well. Another VFC acolyte making juvenile comments from behind the safety of a computer screen.


Dave, do you know if the Bartons' has a car park?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 04:54:18 PM
Quote from: "Disco Stu"
Dave, do you know if the Bartons' has a car park?


I believe it has.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 20, 2005, 04:54:42 PM
Quote from: "Risso"

Can you imagine the uproar and piss taking on here if VFC came up with the idea of standing in a General Eelection?  Proof that it's not about what VFC do, but the clash of personalities behind the scenes.


If VFC had stood a candidate in the last election I'd have been flattered that they stole my idea from four years ago, and pleased that they were doing something other than regular press releases and an annual stroll down Trinity Rd. The first public meetings were a good idea, as was the Hodgson Report. The £ sign protest of 2000-01 was a good idea, last year's red cards were counter-productive. Sending out repetitive press releases and still not working out that you can refuse to comment when the media get in touch are both bad ideas. Asking pointed questions at an AGM is a good idea, storming out because you don't get the answers you want is a bad one.
 
Proof that it's not about a clash of personalities but that I can make up my mind about specific actions as & when required.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 04:56:34 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Risso"

Can you imagine the uproar and piss taking on here if VFC came up with the idea of standing in a General Eelection?  Proof that it's not about what VFC do, but the clash of personalities behind the scenes.


If VFC had stood a candidate in the last election I'd have been flattered that they stole my idea from four years ago, and pleased that they were doing something other than regular press releases and an annual stroll down Trinity Rd. The first public meetings were a good idea, as was the Hodgson Report. The £ sign protest of 2000-01 was a good idea, last year's red cards were counter-productive. Sending out repetitive press releases and still not working out that you can refuse to comment when the media get in touch are both bad ideas. Asking pointed questions at an AGM is a good idea, storming out because you don't get the answers you want is a bad one.
 
Proof that it's not about a clash of personalities but that I can make up my mind about specific actions as & when required.


Well why didn't you just say that in the first place?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 20, 2005, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: "Risso"

Well why didn't you just say that in the first place?


Because I've got 37 pages.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 20, 2005, 05:00:59 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Well why didn't you just say that in the first place?


If he’s said it once, he’s said it a thousand times but apparently some people just can’t see beyond their petty personal vendettas.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 20, 2005, 05:02:25 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Because I've got 37 pages.


This is going to 100+ pages even if it takes until Christmas.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: richardhubbard on October 20, 2005, 05:05:20 PM
Dave, why not have your next book, as comments on VFC. It would be a book you could release in multi part volumes!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 20, 2005, 05:08:34 PM
It would be nice to hit the fabled 100 pages, but we need something to breathe new life into it. Hmmmmmm.
DEATH TO ALL ASYLUM SEEKERS
VOTE BNP
MAKE ALL GAYS WEAR PINK TRIANGLES
Plus, you're all a bunch of bastards!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 20, 2005, 05:08:41 PM
H&V's new editorial Team

(http://elliottback.com/wp/wp-content/fantastic-four-movie-poster.jpg)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 20, 2005, 05:10:23 PM
It looks like a red X to me.

Now, about this maffiosi drip drip
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: richardhubbard on October 20, 2005, 05:10:49 PM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
It would be nice to hit the fabled 100 pages, but we need something to breathe new life into it. Hmmmmmm.
DEATH TO ALL ASYLUM SEEKERS
VOTE BNP
MAKE ALL GAYS WEAR PINK TRIANGLES
Plus, you're all a bunch of bastards!


Mark you shandy drinking , boy stop picking on pink triangle wearers
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 05:12:22 PM
Why doesn't any other Villa supporters group say anything? There's plenty to say? Are they active?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 20, 2005, 05:12:57 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Disco Stu"
Dave, do you know if the Bartons' has a car park?


I believe it has.


Yes, well you said there were some petty personal vendettas and that turned out to be bullshit.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 20, 2005, 05:13:41 PM
Quote
There's plenty to say


Such as....?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2005, 05:14:16 PM
Quote from: "Disco Stu"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Disco Stu"
Dave, do you know if the Bartons' has a car park?


I believe it has.


Yes, well you said there were some petty personal vendettas and that turned out to be bullshit.


It hasn't got a car park?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 05:14:16 PM
What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 20, 2005, 05:15:57 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.


Same as they were when he was asked while Ansell was still there.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 20, 2005, 05:16:52 PM
What plan is that?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 20, 2005, 05:53:57 PM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
It would be nice to hit the fabled 100 pages, but we need something to breathe new life into it. Hmmmmmm.
DEATH TO ALL ASYLUM SEEKERS
VOTE BNP
MAKE ALL GAYS WEAR PINK TRIANGLES
Plus, you're all a bunch of bastards!


You've just nicked David Davies next campaign speech.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 20, 2005, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.


You mean if, for example, he undergoes major surgery?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 20, 2005, 06:04:06 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
You've just nicked David Davies next campaign speech.


What’s the MP for Monmouth got to do with anything?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 20, 2005, 06:55:09 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.


You mean if, for example, he undergoes major surgery?


His heart troubles should be a warning sign to Ellis that running the club, at nearly 82 years old - re-taking on the joint CEO/Chairman role, to boot - is beneficial neither to him or the club. He should step down permanently. Now.

Or is that ageist, etc?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 20, 2005, 06:57:40 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.


You mean if, for example, he undergoes major surgery?


His heart troubles should be a warning sign to Ellis that running the club, at nearly 82 years old - re-taking on the joint CEO/Chairman role, to boot - is beneficial neither to him or the club. He should step down permanently. Now.

Or is that ageist, etc?


In a way, yes.  Would you be saying the same if he was 45 and just had heart surgery?

In any case, I think he does recognise it's time to hand over the reigns, otherwise he wouldn't even be considering other options.  You have to remember this in itself is a huge change of position for Doug Ellis.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Red Robbo on October 20, 2005, 07:02:20 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Especially for Simon, the Fantastic Four (with tongue mostly in cheek):

Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!

The Invisible Woman - Disco Stu, disappears before your very eyes!  For days at a time!

The Human Torch - Ian Robinson, Flame on!  Flame!  Flame!  Flame!

The Thing - Mac McColgan, the ginger clobberer!


I'm tourched.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 20, 2005, 07:05:30 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.


You mean if, for example, he undergoes major surgery?


His heart troubles should be a warning sign to Ellis that running the club, at nearly 82 years old - re-taking on the joint CEO/Chairman role, to boot - is beneficial neither to him or the club. He should step down permanently. Now.

Or is that ageist, etc?


Since when have you felt so strongly over this?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 20, 2005, 08:10:00 PM
For quite while now, Simon :)

I don't mind if people, don't feel the same way. I don't mind if they criticise me for saying it. As long as the criticism is even handed, then I should be able to stand behind what I say, or as a VFC person, what Jonathan says in my name (in effect).

I do think an element of this thread has been based not so much on what is said, but who says it. And some of the accusations made about Jonathan have used distortion, or innacuracies to then have a go at him on a false premise.

VFC threads seem to gather a lot of posts, simply because it's the VFC saying it. If it was someone else, then it would pass with little or no comment. Double edged sword I suppose. C'est la vie
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 20, 2005, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"


VFC threads seem to gather a lot of posts, simply because it's the VFC saying it. If it was someone else, then it would pass with little or no comment. Double edged sword I suppose. C'est la vie


I'm sure that if any other group were as controversial in what they say and the way that they say it, they would also inspire debate.

It is, as you say, a double-edged sword. What a pity that VFC's spokesman doesn't see matters in the same way.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 20, 2005, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
What are the plans if Ellis is unable to do his job.


You mean if, for example, he undergoes major surgery?


His heart troubles should be a warning sign to Ellis that running the club, at nearly 82 years old - re-taking on the joint CEO/Chairman role, to boot - is beneficial neither to him or the club. He should step down permanently. Now.


This is a classic example of the blinkered VFC line. Your beloved chairman has recently stated that the appointment of a new CEO has been put on hold, as it would be a pointless exercise bringing in a new man should the impending takeover be successful. Ellis has said the offer is very interesting, hinting that for him, he's happy with it. It looks like it could well happen, yet those at VFC want him to step down "now".

Sorry Pete, I understand your frustration but you sound like naughty, spoilt children who can't get their own way.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SteveD on October 21, 2005, 12:55:27 AM
Yes, still yelling Ellis Out when he's close to packing the photos on his desk. Still more bothered about him leaving than - far more relevant to any right-thinking Villa fan -  who might be coming through the door to replace him.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 21, 2005, 04:20:56 AM
The thing that pisses me off no end, is that I have 1700 posts under my belt, fairly respectable/sad/whatever and have only lit up 4 of my muppet fellas. Mac, with his bloody 600/700 posts has lit the the whole lot up like a fucking christmas tree! Have a word. I demand a frigging recount, or to make me a muppet forthwith.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 21, 2005, 08:15:59 AM
Only 31 pages and now unlikely to get to 100.
I'm very disappointed, people.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 21, 2005, 08:28:29 AM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
Only 31 pages and now unlikely to get to 100.
I'm very disappointed, people.


I'm not. Fletch you're a shit of the highest order. You and VFC are fellow bedwetters who demand this that and the other deserve the contempt you are royally treated with. Erm, keep right on and other such stirring things....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 21, 2005, 08:34:26 AM
That's the spirit Peter.
Also, I happen to know for a fact that 14 posters on here are Blues fans. What about that eh?
Their names will be revealed when we hit page 100.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: TheFamousAVFloodlights on October 21, 2005, 08:37:25 AM
Yeah, and Angel is shit.

And I like the design of the new Trinity.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 08:53:31 AM
Anyone else agree that Paul McGrath was overrated?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 21, 2005, 09:12:04 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Anyone else agree that Paul McGrath was overrated?


Think that would be a struggle -  now Robbie Williams  [-X
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 21, 2005, 09:17:45 AM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
That's the spirit Peter.
Also, I happen to know for a fact that 14 posters on here are Blues fans. What about that eh?
Their names will be revealed when we hit page 100.


I'm a Blues fan, I especially like the white crumbly ones, you don't see too many of those these days.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: RossLeach on October 21, 2005, 09:18:00 AM
Quote from: "Lee"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Anyone else agree that Paul McGrath was overrated?


Think that would be a struggle -  now Robbie Williams  [-X


How about "I think the Supporters Trust are overrated"

Actually, I don't, but I can't find my renewal form.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 21, 2005, 09:18:16 AM
I personally think that VFC DO speak for me and all other Villa fans. You lot are just upset because you didn't think of it first. If you had balls you slag off an 80- year old anti christ, wave red cards at him, and walk away flailing your hands just about as he was about to ask you the way to the toilets. Fletch you're a prick. Risso you're an arse, all Chris's you are faggots, Famous AV you embarrass yourself, BD you're an eejit. Woodhall stop making a living off the back off my football team and getting mugs like me to buy your books, Olofs beard?Olofs bollocks. Mac shmac. Laughing Gravity you're a tit,Legion who the fuck are you anyway? mazz and your poof of a brother can suck my big cock, Robbo and JD you fairies, Simon Page ooh you're soooo hard.Steve D what the 'D' stand for? Dickhead?Pete Bland ain't that the truth. Disco Stu or whatever the frig you call yourself you cocksucking animal sod off, Karlos get a proper job you boring twat, oh fuck the lot of ya VillaTalk is a lot more interesting anyway.....

surely that will get something going...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 09:23:47 AM
Quote from: "Red Robbo"
Quote from: "Risso"
Especially for Simon, the Fantastic Four (with tongue mostly in cheek):

Mister Fantastic - Dave Woodhall, he bends this way, he bends that way!

The Invisible Woman - Disco Stu, disappears before your very eyes!  For days at a time!

The Human Torch - Ian Robinson, Flame on!  Flame!  Flame!  Flame!

The Thing - Mac McColgan, the ginger clobberer!


I'm tourched.


That's pretty good actually.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 09:29:16 AM
Quote
I personally think that VFC DO speak for me and all other Villa fans. You lot are just upset because you didn't think of it first. If you had balls you slag off an 80- year old anti christ, wave red cards at him, and walk away flailing your hands just about as he was about to ask you the way to the toilets. Fletch you're a prick. Risso you're an arse, all Chris's you are faggots, Famous AV you embarrass yourself, BD you're an eejit. Woodhall stop making a living off the back off my football team and getting mugs like me to buy your books, Olofs beard?Olofs bollocks. Mac shmac. Laughing Gravity you're a tit,Legion who the fuck are you anyway? mazz and your poof of a brother can suck my big cock, Robbo and JD you fairies, Simon Page ooh you're soooo hard.Steve D what the 'D' stand for? Dickhead?Pete Bland ain't that the truth. Disco Stu or whatever the frig you call yourself you cocksucking animal sod off, Karlos get a proper job you boring twat, oh fuck the lot of ya VillaTalk is a lot more interesting anyway.....


This is the most sensible contribution to this thread yet.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 21, 2005, 09:32:25 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
mazz and your poof of a brother can suck my big cock

Ah well Maz, you could do worse.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 21, 2005, 10:06:32 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
I personally think that VFC DO speak for me and all other Villa fans. You lot are just upset because you didn't think of it first. If you had balls you slag off an 80- year old anti christ, wave red cards at him, and walk away flailing your hands just about as he was about to ask you the way to the toilets. Fletch you're a prick. Risso you're an arse, all Chris's you are faggots, Famous AV you embarrass yourself, BD you're an eejit. Woodhall stop making a living off the back off my football team and getting mugs like me to buy your books, Olofs beard?Olofs bollocks. Mac shmac. Laughing Gravity you're a tit,Legion who the fuck are you anyway? mazz and your poof of a brother can suck my big cock, Robbo and JD you fairies, Simon Page ooh you're soooo hard.Steve D what the 'D' stand for? Dickhead?Pete Bland ain't that the truth. Disco Stu or whatever the frig you call yourself you cocksucking animal sod off, Karlos get a proper job you boring twat, oh fuck the lot of ya VillaTalk is a lot more interesting anyway.....

surely that will get something going...


I'm insulted -  I wasn't included!
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Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 10:20:18 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "pete bland"
His heart troubles should be a warning sign to Ellis that running the club, at nearly 82 years old - re-taking on the joint CEO/Chairman role, to boot - is beneficial neither to him or the club. He should step down permanently. Now.


This is a classic example of the blinkered VFC line. Your beloved chairman has recently stated that the appointment ....Sorry Pete, I understand your frustration but you sound like naughty, spoilt children who can't get their own way.


OK revelation time.
The opinion quoted above, is one with which I genuinely hold, but the words were "inspired" by a Supporters Trust Press Release from 10th June (http://www.villatrust.org.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=176&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0).  

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Like many others the Aston Villa Supporters Trust were shocked at the news of Doug Ellis’s illness and wish him a speedy and healthy recovery. However, surely this must now be the warning sign to Doug that running a large company at the age of 81 is not beneficial to either him or the club......surely now the time has come to enjoy a belated retirement, letting others take over the reigns


I did this to show a couple of things - firstly that the line taken by VFC is often not so different at all from that of the "respectable and responsible" supporters trust, but that VFC "views" seem to raise a lot more comment and opprobrium than the Trust's views  and secondly because of two comments further up this thread - the one I highlighted from Dave a couple of pages back about
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"...Ellis Out but we don't want to shout about it? That's a bit self-defeating...."


And LG's question
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Why doesn't any other Villa supporters group say anything? There's plenty to say? Are they active?


The supporters trust in their understated, not wanting to shout about it - way seem to all want Ellis out (at the moment) and quietly anounced it on their website, and no one passes comment (or maybe even notices) "self defeating" indeed - yet VFC say the same (and shout about it) - and we get 30 odd pages on H&V about whether VFC are good /bad /tossers /irrelevant etc.

It all fills space and keeps people entertained, which is what this place is for, but....

note:The supporters trust (though they don't represent me) are right to want Ellis out and they are a worthy organisation.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 10:23:26 AM
The Supporters Trust want Ellis out?

Really?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 10:30:53 AM
If the Trust's representative had stamped his foot and walked out of the AGM, then it would have aroused comment. If a Trust spokesman had made the comments that Jon Fear made in the story at the top of this tread, it would equally have inspired debate.

The Trust board, generally, does not believe that there's anything to be gained from running to the press on a regular basis, particularly when nothing is happening.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 10:34:28 AM
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particularly when nothing is happening.


Nothing is happening?

Do they go around blindfolded with candlewax in their ears?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
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particularly when nothing is happening.


Nothing is happening?

Do they go around blindfolded with candlewax in their ears?


Okay - so what's happening? That's 'what is actually happening?' as opposed to 'what is happening in a  parallel universe where half a word can be stretched into an entire novel?'
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Okay - so what's happening? That's 'what is actually happening?' as opposed to 'what is happening in a  parallel universe where half a word can be stretched into an entire novel?'


How about 1 rejected approach (at least) to buy the club, one on going at an early stage, the chairman having severe health problems, the Chief Exec resigning over a "difference of opinion about future direction"

But perhaps if you (anyone) is unaware as to what's happening, as shareholders you (anyone) might want to try and find out, perhaps by asking questions.

Or perhaps none of the things happening have any bearing on the future of the club and therefore are not cause to ask questions or pass comment. Perhaps it's more important to talk about other things?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 10:59:06 AM
I agree, the only place where nothing is happening is the ST.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 11:08:26 AM
Quote from: "pete bland"
But perhaps if you (anyone) is unaware as to what's happening, as shareholders you (anyone) might want to try and find out, perhaps by asking questions.


I seem to remember that one of the few blokes who’s consistently asked questions of Doug over the last twenty years was abused by a prominent VFC supporter as a “geriatric madman” after last year’s AGM.

Why do VFC people hate our senior citizens so much?  Do they all live with their parents and are grounded if they fail to note enough things with interest?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Quote from: "pete bland"
But perhaps if you (anyone) is unaware as to what's happening, as shareholders you (anyone) might want to try and find out, perhaps by asking questions.


I seem to remember that one of the few blokes who’s consistently asked questions of Doug over the last twenty years was abused by a prominent VFC supporter as a “geriatric madman” after last year’s AGM.



Still trying to continue your petty vendetta I see Stu.  I think your memory's playing tricks on you, I'd like to see the post where the phrase "geriatric madman" was used.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 21, 2005, 11:37:58 AM
Quote from: "SteveD"
Yes, still yelling Ellis Out when he's close to packing the photos on his desk. Still more bothered about him leaving than - far more relevant to any right-thinking Villa fan -  who might be coming through the door to replace him.


I now understand the reason Pete and VFC have taken this stand. It seems from posts on other sites, the VFC do not believe Ellis is seriously looking to sell the club and it's basically all "spin". That therefore justifies their continued press releases/pressure/attacks etc on Ellis.

Why didn't you say that in the first place, Pete?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 11:40:01 AM
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do not believe Ellis is seriously looking to sell the club and it's basically all "spin


That is certainly a possibility looking at Ellis's "I'm fit" comments in todays papers.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 11:42:38 AM
Hasn't the share price fallen a fair bit over the last few days as well?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 21, 2005, 11:46:22 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Hasn't the share price fallen a fair bit over the last few days as well?


It's stable Risso, with very low trading and still up £1.00 compared to a month ago. Current price: £4.75
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "Risso"
Hasn't the share price fallen a fair bit over the last few days as well?


It's stable Risso, with very low trading and still up £1.00 compared to a month ago. Current price: £4.75


Didn't it drop about 35p in the week though?  Might not mean anything, but you'd expect the price to keep gradually rising somewhere towards the final sale price.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: deanl123 on October 21, 2005, 11:50:40 AM
Unless it has already rose above the final offer price!?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 21, 2005, 11:55:05 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "Risso"
Hasn't the share price fallen a fair bit over the last few days as well?


It's stable Risso, with very low trading and still up £1.00 compared to a month ago. Current price: £4.75


Didn't it drop about 35p in the week though?  Might not mean anything, but you'd expect the price to keep gradually rising somewhere towards the final sale price.


So you disagree with Pete Bland/VFC and think Ellis is looking to sell? :-
I hope you're right!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 11:57:38 AM
I hope he sells.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 21, 2005, 12:02:19 PM
Very diplomatic, Risso. Can't blame you though, having a drink by yourself before the game doesn't sound much fun although I'm sure you'd be made very welcome up at the Bartons. :smt002
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 12:04:08 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Quote from: "pete bland"
But perhaps if you (anyone) is unaware as to what's happening, as shareholders you (anyone) might want to try and find out, perhaps by asking questions.


I seem to remember that one of the few blokes who’s consistently asked questions of Doug over the last twenty years was abused by a prominent VFC supporter as a “geriatric madman” after last year’s AGM.



Still trying to continue your petty vendetta I see Stu.


As with the abuse of senior citizens, I’ll leave the petty personal vendettas to you, Risso.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 12:06:26 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"

How about 1 rejected approach (at least) to buy the club, one on going at an early stage, the chairman having severe health problems, the Chief Exec resigning over a "difference of opinion about future direction"

But perhaps if you (anyone) is unaware as to what's happening, as shareholders you (anyone) might want to try and find out, perhaps by asking questions.

Or perhaps none of the things happening have any bearing on the future of the club and therefore are not cause to ask questions or pass comment. Perhaps it's more important to talk about other things?


One approach that was generally regarded as tentative in the extreme, inadequate, and from someone who was so dedicated to the approach that he skulked off at the first opportunity. One that might or might not be serious, might or might not be at a realistic price, from someone whose identity has not been revealed, and which has rated a cursory mention in the press.

A chairman whose ill-health led to the club being run in his absence by senior management, and I'm sure that even you would agree it was run efficiently.

A chief executive resigning several months ago, and for reasons which neither he nor the club, when asked, will fully state, except to say that it was for more than purely business reasons.

I don't think there's much there to get worked up about, and until something concrete happens with regards to a possible takeover/retirement, I can't see any reason to labour the point.  

Asking questions is fine, provided you don't go into a sulk when you don't get the right answer you want. Saying the same things on an almost weekly basis regardless of what's happening in the world outside your computer is pointless.

Incidentally, as you've started to talk about VFC now, perhaps you could settle an argument. How many members have they got, and who are they?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 12:10:08 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"

I now understand the reason Pete and VFC have taken this stand. It seems from posts on other sites, the VFC do not believe Ellis is seriously looking to sell the club and it's basically all "spin". That therefore justifies their continued press releases/pressure/attacks etc on Ellis.

Why didn't you say that in the first place, Pete?


Personally I'm sceptical about whether Ellis is about to divest himself of his interests in the club, sure. There's an element of spin in some of the recent stuff from Ellis and friends - but whether that's the traditional "be nice about someone who's leaving (or very ill)" or "see he's a great person to stay in charge, fit as a fiddle etc" who knows.

There's clearly, definitely, people who would like to take over. But it's not a done deal by a long way is it?

Jonathan asked some good questions at the agm - no one seems to disagree that they were relevant and courteously put.

I would guess that the vast majority of fans would like to see Ellis step down, new money come in, new ideas and dynamism, and Ellis have a long and happy retirement.
People will be concerned that whoever comes next is better, not worse, for the club and for the fans.

To me that's much more worthy of discussion than a recycled press article.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 21, 2005, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Incidentally, as you've started to talk about VFC now, perhaps you could settle an argument. How many members have they got, and who are they?

I'll be amazed if you ever get an answer to that.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 12:11:27 PM
Why is an answer necessary? They are what they are.

What has the ST ever done for us?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 12:17:11 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
Jonathan asked some good questions at the agm - no one seems to disagree that they were relevant and courteously put.

I would guess that the vast majority of fans would like to see Ellis step down, new money come in, new ideas and dynamism, and Ellis have a long and happy retirement.
People will be concerned that whoever comes next is better, not worse, for the club and for the fans.

To me that's much more worthy of discussion than a recycled press article.


"Relevant and courteous" - agreed. So why act like a spoiled child later? And why then start bitching about anyone who disagrees with him? He spoke about people hiding behind computers. That's a bit rich, considering 2/3 of the people he was with, and the way in which they all arrived late and left early, therefore avoiding the need to speak to anyone.

"Whoever comes next is better, not worse" - agreed again. So why give the impression of Anyone But Ellis? You may disagree, but that's the implication of VFC's continued actions.

"Much more worthy of discussion than a recycled press article" - agreed again. But it wasn't recycled - it was completely new, and obviously written after the weekend. Why pretend otherwise?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 12:17:38 PM
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Jonathan asked some good questions at the agm - no one seems to disagree that they were relevant and courteously put.


However none of those of us, who weren't able to attend, know what they were or what answers were given. All we know is that he subsequently walked out in a huff which sort of defeats the object.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 12:22:42 PM
You know when the ST makes statements, do they make it clear they are not speaking for the majority of Aston Villa supporters and that there membership is almost as insignificant a number as the VFC when compared with the number of Villa fans out there? Just wondering.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Why is an answer necessary? They are what they are.



Don't you harbour the slightest curiosity as to the identity of someone who you support so vigorously?

And what is VFC? Is it still a coalition of supporter groups? Is it one man and a computer? Can anyone join?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 12:25:39 PM
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Don't you harbour the slightest curiosity as to the identity of someone who you support so vigorously?


Strangely no.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 12:26:37 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
A chief executive resigning several months ago, and for reasons which neither he nor the club, when asked, will fully state, except to say that it was for more than purely business reasons.


The announcement to the LSE said it was for business reasons  -specifically a difference over the direction of the club.

Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
...until something concrete happens with regards to a possible takeover/retirement, I can't see any reason to labour the point.

I agree.  
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"

Asking questions is fine, provided you don't go into a sulk when you don't get the right answer you want. Saying the same things on an almost weekly basis regardless of what's happening in the world outside your computer is pointless.


So how many VFC threads have there been on H&V? loads. As you say, pointless. Same people, mostly making the same "comment" on the same subject.

Talking of which
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"

Incidentally, as you've started to talk about VFC now, perhaps you could settle an argument. How many members have they got, and who are they?


We've done this loads of times before. It's not a membership organisation. There are no members cards, joining fee etc. It's not "democratic" It's a pressure group. A group of people backed by many more, putting forward a particular viewpoint. VFC doesn't represent all villa fans and has never claimed to do so.

People who agree/disagree are quite at liberty to say so. Constructive criticism has been welcomed, in my view. Sniping, not welcomed.

Not all questions have been answered, though most sensible ones have, I think.
Some have been asked repeatedly and answered repeatedly.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Linus on October 21, 2005, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
We've done this loads of times before. It's not a membership organisation. There are no members cards, joining fee etc. It's not "democratic" It's a pressure group. A group of people backed by many more, putting forward a particular viewpoint. VFC doesn't represent all villa fans and has never claimed to do so.


May I suggest a slight change of name, then? To Some Villa Fans Combined?  :)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 12:29:59 PM
They are a lobby group.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 12:35:32 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
[So how many VFC threads have there been on H&V? loads. As you say, pointless. Same people, mostly making the same "comment" on the same subject.

We've done this loads of times before. It's not a membership organisation. There are no members cards, joining fee etc. It's not "democratic" It's a pressure group. A group of people backed by many more, putting forward a particular viewpoint. VFC doesn't represent all villa fans and has never claimed to do so.

People who agree/disagree are quite at liberty to say so. Constructive criticism has been welcomed, in my view. Sniping, not welcomed.

Not all questions have been answered, though most sensible ones have, I think.
Some have been asked repeatedly and answered repeatedly.


Again, as I've said before, the reason VFC gets debated here is usually when there's nothing else to talk about. However, their modus operandi is to get publicity, so they can't complain when the debate is not entirely supportive. If a 33 page thread somewhere else produced a largely pro-VFC opinion, you'd welcome it.

I know we've debated VFC's membership before. That's because we've never had an answer. How many members? How many supporters? You can't claim to be the umbrella group you hold yourselves out to be when in reality you consist of a handful.

As for constructive criticism being welcomed, please don't insult my intelligence. VFC and most of their camp followers have never been able to accept either criticism or a different viewpoint. That's the main gripe I have with them.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
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Jonathan asked some good questions at the agm - no one seems to disagree that they were relevant and courteously put.


However none of those of us, who weren't able to attend, know what they were or what answers were given. All we know is that he subsequently walked out in a huff which sort of defeats the object.


Jonathan Fear put this on the interweb and Villa mailing list, Chris sorry, it's quite long, but seeing as you asked...
 
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I truly hope that yesterdays AGM was the last pro-active action anyone involved with VFC and the Aston Villa Shareholders Association have to take and that the board of AVFC are honestly considering a takeover proposal.

However, it has to be said, that the timing is more than a little convenient. The same happened before last years agm and the same excuses for not answering our questions was given. They suggested virtually no questions could be answered because of the rules of the City. 2 years in a row, 2 years of losses, 2 years of poor on the field performances and 2 years where they couldn't answer questions.

IF there is an offer on the table, the board of Aston Villa proved beyond doubt yesterday, that they MUST give it their full consideration because their inability to even run an AGM with any vigour or skill proved again that they are moribund and are incapable of taking Villa anywhere but backwards.

I asked if the club was up for sale and if they would actively seek investment. They talked about the approach on the table. But that wasn't the question. Mr Ellis has - reportedly - had approaches before, but if the approaches and are ignored or stonewalled, then they aren't being considered professionally. The question was if he would actively seek investment. He replied, and the reply baffled most of us, that in business you are better to wait for an approach. He used the analogy of if we were selling a house. Well, I'm sorry Mr Ellis, but when I sell my houses I - yes you have guessed it - actively seek potential buyers and then consider the best offer. THAT is the way business in done.

Our suggestion is that all interested parties now approach, if their approaches are ignored, then go public, because the board have a duty to their shareholders and at the moment, much like every other aspect of the club, we are in limbo.

The questions were deflected by spin and bluster and the frustration of a good few shareholders grew. The look of bewilderment on the presses faces also didn't go unnoticed.

For the resolution in regards to the remuneration of the executives and directly in relation to the £50 000 bonuses they have again sanctioned for themselves I asked why, when shareholders have had no dividends for 4 years, do they consider they are worthy of such high bonuses? The answer came - if memory serves me right - from Mr Hales, who said it was because they had reduced the £10million debt to just under £2million. I said a couple of times to get an answer, 'but they still made a loss?'. I also asked why, if they got the bonus this year for reducing the loss, did they get one the previous year when they had created such a huge loss? That remained unanswered. So I'll answer it. Greed. Mr Ellis tells us he puts money into the club but no one has ever found any evidence in the accounts. He has however, had over £8million out. His answer to that 'only women and horses work for nothing'.

They lost the resolution to have their remuneration accepted on a show of hands. They will now overturn that by a poll.

When it came on to the re-election of Mr Ellis.

I asked if we had a Chief Executive. They said no. I asked why we didn't have a Chief Executive. Their excuse was the offer on the table. However Mr Langham 'left' before any such approach was made. Doug did however point to the fact we had a new Sales Director. I hadn't asked that. Another shareholder asked why Mr Langham was paid off when he 'left'. The answer was Mr Langham had to give one years notice and they decided it was in the interest of the club to pay his contract up and let him leave immediately. Why? He was the only member of staff doing something! They were also questioned about why he left but they said you would have to ask Mr Langham that yourselves. I may just do that.

I went on to ask if we had a Financial Director. The board pointed at the sales director who started telling the meeting that he looked at the finances. I asked him therefore if he was the Financial Director to which the reply was no. I asked again, do we have a Financial Director? They finally answered the simple question saying 'no'. I then asked why don't we have a Financial Director?! The excuse was the current approach. However Mark Ansell left years ago, and had become Deputy Chief Exec as opposed to Financial Director anyway.

So, we don't have a Chief Executive and we don't have a Financial Director. But they assured us that they follow corporate Governance. I could only conclude that what we in fact have is a rudderless ship.

I genuinely complimented Mr Ellis on the way he is manfully fighting his health issues and many people echoed that. For me and many amongst the 'anti Ellis' brigade, it isn't a personal attack on the man, it is the simple fact that we know - and he has proved - that he is not the man to take this club forward.

The questions put to Mr Ellis by myself and a few other excellent shareholders, were mostly deflected or answered in incomprehensible ways.

I asked Mr Ellis, as he had a vested interest in any approaches, if he would leave the negotiations to others. He said no. One of the only times he did give a straight answer.

I also asked him if he would stand down and take up an honouree role immediately. Again, he said no. You would expect nothing more of a man clinging to power for his benefit and not the benefit of the club that has slowly dragged away from its once fine standing.

I also asked him how long, at his age and in such ill health, he actually intended to go on. He tried not to answer, Hales made some comment that made no sense, so I asked again. How long did he intend to continue. Again, he would not give a straight answer. I didn't consider it a complicated question in all fairness. But like a great many things that happen at Villa, Mr Ellis appears to have no forward thinking projections or plans. That frightens me greatly.

We were also told about the league attendance averages etc. This information was nothing to do with the business at hand. I asked Mr Ellis not to compare us to Leeds during the meeting, to maybe look at Arsenal as a model instead. That fell on deaf ears and Mr Ellis did indeed use Leeds as an example, and many groans from the audience was the result. We were told by Mr Stride that we couldn't just compete with the likes of Arsenal because of our losses, what they didn't seem aware of is it was that very board that created the losses and are responsible for the financial inadequacies we have. We may have no debt, but we also have no profits or cashflow, we do in fact sail very close to the wind finance wise, no matter what they tell us, this is not a well run business.

Another shareholder asked how much of a sell on fee we got when Southampton sold Crouch to Liverpool. He said we sold an England International for £2million, so you will obviously have put a sell on clause in. The answer came back as a no. The shareholder said that on that very point they should resign and that their incompetence had cost the business millions of pounds. Steve Stride said something about 'in hindsight'. You have to ask how long these people have been involved in the business of football? And yet they still don't know what they are doing? This too should frighten you. It is little wonder we have no dividends, no profits and very little cashflow.

On the re-election of Mr Doug Ellis, by a show of hands, he was defeated. Mr Peter Ellis was also defeated in his attempt to be re-elected. Both matters will be reversed by a poll vote.

By the end, I believe there were just two resolutions left, I decided I had had enough of the spin and bluster. I stood and said that I had been sitting there listening and it dawned on me how appropriate that the backdrop was shrouded in black, because the current board of Aston Villa are killing this club. I said I had had enough of the spin and bluster, that there was no point in staying, and that I was walking out. A few others followed.

In conclusion? If people don't come forward and genuinely bid - please note at the moment there is no official bid in, just an approach and enquiry - then the club both on the field and on the accountants sheets, will continue to stagnate or fall behind our competitors. I did question Mr Ellis whether he had confused the Champions League with the Championship. He didn't answer, but if we continue down the road we are on, that quip could just become reality.

It is also amazing to think, that whilst they leave the club in limbo once more in not bringing in a Chief Exec or Financial Director - as they said a staff revue isn't appropriate whilst we are potentially under offer - that they can still announce the long delayed £8million re-development of Bodymoor Heath. This development was asked for during John Gregory's reign and Graham Taylor did a huge amount of work towards it. So why delay this long? Any how can you sanction that sort of spending if you are expecting an offer? It works both ways. Maybe this means the offer is actually acceptable and that those who are putting the proposal forward have sanctioned it. OR maybe it means the offer will disappear within a month. Lets hope it is the former.

Or was it another way to try to show us that the club is developing, the way the board spoke you would think they were a new group in. They spoke as if they hadn't allowed Bodymoor to fall into such disrepair in the first place (we are years behind the facilities of even small clubs like Charlton). Worrying times indeed. Mr Ellis said the changes were needed for the training facilities because Bodymoor had become 'a little tired'. That isn't the only thing at Villa that is past its sell by date and is 'a little tired' Mr Ellis. We can but hope the offer is a) acceptable for the future of Aston Villa b) accepted. Many fans and shareholders have their doubts. Prove us wrong.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 21, 2005, 12:46:42 PM
who ever made that comment about crouch is a complete idiot. At the time myself and many others thought that we'd done well getting £2 million for him.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 12:53:09 PM
What an absolutely cracking letter from Jon Fear. Bravo.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 12:55:44 PM
Thanks for posting that up Pete, but I still think that the decision to walk out was at best ill judged. In the real world we all have to sit through meetings and listen to things that we disagree with or we don't want to hear. If our reaction is a theatrical flounce then that is what will be remembered not the case we tried to present.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 01:00:49 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
... can't complain when the debate is not entirely supportive. If a 33 page thread somewhere else produced a largely pro-VFC opinion, you'd welcome it.


Sure. No argument there.

Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
I know we've debated VFC's membership before. That's because we've never had an answer.

Yes you have. The same as the one I gave above.

Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
How many members? How many supporters?


Oh no, not again ;)
There are no "members" None. Nada, zilch, rien.

Like, I dunno, maybe the Anti-Nazi league, the countryside alliance, those fat blokes in trucks (Petrol protestors) and many other pressure groups, there are a core of organisers and an unquantifiable number of people who support. Thousands have taken leaflets, hundreds have donated towards costs, hundreds came to the meetings at the leisure centre. Taking another tack, 2 websites have a largely "pro" readership and one a, er, more negative readership. The mailing list is more "pro" than anti. On all 4 there are a wide range of views though, from very supportive, through indifferent, to very aggressively anti. Perhaps the silent indifferent lot are the biggest single body, I just don't know.

Quote from: "dave.woodhall"

As for constructive criticism being welcomed, please don't insult my intelligence. VFC and most of their camp followers have never been able to accept either criticism or a different viewpoint. That's the main gripe I have with them.


I have no wish to insult you or your intelligence, Dave, I guess we just perceive things differently.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 21, 2005, 01:04:40 PM
There are some good points for discussion, but this is Bollox.

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Another shareholder asked how much of a sell on fee we got when Southampton sold Crouch to Liverpool. He said we sold an England International for £2million, so you will obviously have put a sell on clause in. The answer came back as a no. The shareholder said that on that very point they should resign and that their incompetence had cost the business millions of pounds. Steve Stride said something about 'in hindsight'. You have to ask how long these people have been involved in the business of football? And yet they still don't know what they are doing? This too should frighten you. It is little wonder we have no dividends, no profits and very little cashflow.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 01:04:50 PM
Okay, on another tack. What groups comprise VFC's 'umbrella'?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 01:06:08 PM
Does the ST represent Villa supporters?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bren'd on October 21, 2005, 01:06:27 PM
If that is an accurate account of events at the AGM then I too if I had been the questioner would have walked out.  

What is the point of an AGM if pertinent questions such as those raised are to be either dismissed or fudged over?  Those same questions could have been put forward by any share holder, the fact that it was Jonathen Fear or the VFC who may or may not have a personal vendetta against Ellis is irrelevant. The board have shown nothing but contempt for it's fellow share holders.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 01:07:14 PM
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Those same questions could have been put forward by any share holder,


Or even a Trust.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 01:11:17 PM
Quote from: "Bren_d"
If that is an accurate account of events at the AGM then I too if I had been the questioner would have walked out.  

What is the point of an AGM if pertinent questions such as those raised are to be either dismissed or fudged over?  Those same questions could have been put forward by any share holder, the fact that it was Jonathen Fear or the VFC who may or may not have a personal vendetta against Ellis is irrelevant. The board have shown nothing but contempt for it's fellow share holders.


I've been to the last 20 (I think) AGMs, and at every one the board has either declined to answer, or given answers which the questioner has thought inadequate. I would imagine that most AGMs, whatever the company, are much the same. No-one has ever walked out of an AGM before because they didn't like what was being said, and to do so was, I believe, counter-productive. It was also highly discourteous to the Shareholders Association members whose interests their chairman is elected to represent, but as I've been informed I'm not welcome in their organisation, that doesn't overly bother me.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Thanks for posting that up Pete, but I still think that the decision to walk out was at best ill judged..[etc]...


I can understand that, Chris. There are two ways of looking at it. One is that the walk-out will distract attention from the good questions asked.

Another is that the questions were unanswered, and that actually it's the answers that are the important thing. With the answers being largely unforthcoming, JF may have distracted from the impression that he asked some pertinent questions etc, but I think the point he wanted to make was that the questions were ducked and unanswered - the walk out was meant to underline this point. Perhaps it didn't work. Certainly it didn't in your eyes. Fair comment.

You learn by experience. I hope there's no "next time"
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: BW on October 21, 2005, 01:14:18 PM
You could pick various parts out. You really could.

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He said we sold an England International for £2million, so you will obviously have put a sell on clause in.


Spot the deliberate error.

I don't know who raised that point - if he had said, "England U-21 with potential", then you couldn't disagree. But he lied.

And all effect is gone. What was the point in the question in that case?

Its like the VFC release saying we spent 900k on Dj-Dj when we clearly didn't. Why over-egg the pudding there?

I also don't get why they make the point with the "that will be overturned in the poll" as we know that it will. That's kind of how it works with one or two groups holding a large amount of the shares. ](*,)

Its all I've ever seen from this angle. 70, 80% of it works but the people doing the shouting have no idea how to take it the last step. Which is quite ironic for Villa fans, really.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 01:21:20 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Does the ST represent Villa supporters?


It represents its members whose views it seeks on a regular basis and, yes, I would image that 100% of them are Villa fans.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 01:24:40 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
...but I think the point he wanted to make was that the questions were ducked and unanswered - the walk out was meant to underline this point.


That’s very odd because I read a quote directly from Fear saying that he walked as he had to be elsewhere.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bren'd on October 21, 2005, 01:26:39 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"

I've been to the last 20 (I think) AGMs, and at every one the board has either declined to answer, or given answers which the questioner has thought inadequate. I would imagine that most AGMs, whatever the company, are much the same. No-one has ever walked out of an AGM before because they didn't like what was being said, and to do so was, I believe, counter-productive. It was also highly discourteous to the Shareholders Association members whose interests their chairman is elected to represent, but as I've been informed I'm not welcome in their organisation, that doesn't overly bother me.


I'm thinking about since we've been a PLC.  So the last 8 years would concern me.  I'm not a share holder of AVFC PLC, but if you put the football aside and look at it as Aston Villa the company then the board of directors should be willing to answer questions regarding the running of the company, if I had invested in that company I'd like to be certain that my investment was being looked after.  If I was treated with contempt then I'd have to consider removing that investment as I would have little faith in those in charge of it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: richardhubbard on October 21, 2005, 01:31:01 PM
Can I ask one simple question, after 35 pages of threads
Villa is a business, that at its AGM's does not breach any companies act requirements. Why do the board need to respond to a small shareholder like Fear, he has no financial clout with the club?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 01:32:32 PM
Quote from: "Bren_d"
If I was treated with contempt then I'd have to consider removing that investment as I would have little faith in those in charge of it.


Maybe that’s partly a factor in the contempt.

Let’s face it, “answer my point Doug or I’m selling my shares” is hardly on a par with waking up with a thoroughbred’s head in your bed, is it?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 21, 2005, 01:33:27 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Quote from: "pete bland"
...but I think the point he wanted to make was that the questions were ducked and unanswered - the walk out was meant to underline this point.


That’s very odd because I read a quote directly from Fear saying that he walked as he had to be elsewhere.


He said on the mailing list that he has another meeting to attend.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 01:37:29 PM
Quote from: "BW"
You could pick various parts out. You really could.

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He said we sold an England International for £2million, so you will obviously have put a sell on clause in.


I don't know who raised that point
Nor me, but JF's report is of the whole AGM (or at least the 98% of it he witnessed) not just VFC's part in it.

Quote from: "BW"
Its like the VFC release saying we spent 900k on Dj-Dj when we clearly didn't. Why over-egg the pudding there?


That was me/my "fault". The reason I did that was because the statement to the stock market said that the fee was 950K in the Jan window, with other payments dependent upon appearances and so on.
Maybe I took the wrong approach. I know as recent example shows, that Ellis includes wages over the contract, bonuses, appearance fees, absolutely everything in the "I spent" figure.

I feel this is misleading, and that the spend at a given time is the money that's just gone out of the bank - ie the 900K or whatever it was, in Jan for E D-D.

Perhaps both ways are wrong, and I should have said, the club has just spent 900k with a further 250K in june, plus a further 250 after 25 appearances, plus a further 250 K after another..etc... which could potentially add up to 1.7 million (or whatever the figure was, I can't be arsed looking it up again). But the PRs were often criticised for being too long anyway.

Ellis wants to portray himself as very generous and a benefactor etc. VFC feels that the reality is the exact opposite.

I know some people said it was disingenuous, others felt it was good. Again, it's something where despite some claims to the opposite, the criticism was taken. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I understand it and we can learn from it.

Quote from: "BW"

I also don't get why they make the point with the "that will be overturned in the poll" as we know that it will. That's kind of how it works with one or two groups holding a large amount of the shares. ](*,)


You may know that BW, but not everyone reading JF's report will have done...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 01:37:38 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Quote from: "pete bland"
...but I think the point he wanted to make was that the questions were ducked and unanswered - the walk out was meant to underline this point.


That’s very odd because I read a quote directly from Fear saying that he walked as he had to be elsewhere.


He said on the mailing list that he has another meeting to attend.


Somebody's telling fibs.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bren'd on October 21, 2005, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Quote from: "Bren_d"
If I was treated with contempt then I'd have to consider removing that investment as I would have little faith in those in charge of it.


Maybe that’s partly a factor in the contempt.

Let’s face it, “answer my point Doug or I’m selling my shares” is hardly on a par with waking up with a thoroughbred’s head in your bed, is it?


Don't get giving VFC ideas, you could be incited for Mu-der!

I'm aware there might be history with Mr Fear and the board.  Do you think that had these same questions come from another source ie, someone with a £250,000 invested there may have been answers?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 01:43:25 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
Quote from: "BW"
Again, it's something where despite some claims to the opposite, the criticism was taken


http://listman.net/archives/villa/2005-October/061553.html

The last couple of sentences in the third paragraph of his reply was a particularly fine acceptance of criticism, I think.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 01:56:33 PM
Quote from: "OG"
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...but I think the point he wanted to make was that the questions were ducked and unanswered - the walk out was meant to underline this point.


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That’s very odd because I read a quote directly from Fear saying that he walked as he had to be elsewhere.


Somebody's telling fibs.


Or someobody can't read.

What JF actually said on the list was

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As for walking out....I had another meeting after and decided the spin and bluster was beyond a joke and that I may as well get off...I have every right to do what I wish.  Attend, not attend, ask questions, not ask questions, leave early, stay late...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: BW on October 21, 2005, 01:57:46 PM
Thanks for the replies.

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You may know that BW, but not everyone reading JF's report will have done...


He makes it appear like Ellis is faking(?), fudging(?) the vote. That Ellis has no right to win the poll. Whereas, he and one or two others have the rightly acquired ability to use their votes in the way they chose.

As with the Dj-Dj case, people will find this disingeneous.

If you have the arguments and if you hold the facts, why do you want to falsely improve your argument?

Its the same as the various now-gospel stories that originate from myths.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 02:14:56 PM
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Laughing Gravity wrote:
Does the ST represent Villa supporters?


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Oscar Goldman wrote:
It represents its members whose views it seeks on a regular basis and, yes, I would image that 100% of them are Villa fans


That was not the question. Surely it is a very tiny minority of Villa supporters and can not claim to speak for them.

Actually it doesn't speak, it's like a dead sheep.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 02:17:23 PM
How's the statue fund progressing that the Trust don't keep banging on about?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 02:19:10 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "pete bland"
Quote from: "BW"
Again, it's something where despite some claims to the opposite, the criticism was taken


http://listman.net/archives/villa/2005-October/061553.html

The last couple of sentences in the third paragraph of his reply was a particularly fine acceptance of criticism, I think.
[/quote]

At first glance.

But I tell you what, as you've now cited this example twice - the first time claiming it as evidence that this is how Jon responds to anyone who "criticises" Why don't you quote the "criticism" and why don't you explain why the response to a single "slagging off" from one person equates to a response to "anyone" who criticises?

Either way, selecting one post from someone tends to lose overall context.

I'm sure almost everyone on this board, for example, has at some point responded in kind to some "comment". I know you have.  To then use that single response to claim "this is what he always says to anyone who criticises" is at best a cheap, personal, shot.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 02:24:48 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Laughing Gravity wrote:
Does the ST represent Villa supporters?


Quote
Oscar Goldman wrote:
It represents its members whose views it seeks on a regular basis and, yes, I would image that 100% of them are Villa fans


That was not the question. Surely it is a very tiny minority of Villa supporters and can not claim to speak for them.
Actually it doesn't speak, it's like a dead sheep.


However small or otherwise if they are it's members it can claim to speak for them, but then if it doesn't even do that you've nothing to worry about.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 02:35:11 PM
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However small or otherwise if they are it's members it can claim to speak for them, but then if it doesn't even do that you've nothing to worry about.


Small I think. And totally ineffective. And very very very quiet. Ssssh!

Have they ever given the impression they speak for Villa supporters in general? Just wondering.

"Why can't VFC be more like the Supporters Trust" is the line some people here follow. Well if you're into doing and saying nothing then great.

The Trust is almost as insignificant in numbers as VFC, I don't care how they are made up. Everyone has the right to a voice. I like what Jon Fear says. Good luck to him.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 02:35:41 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Laughing Gravity wrote:
Does the ST represent Villa supporters?


Quote
Oscar Goldman wrote:
It represents its members whose views it seeks on a regular basis and, yes, I would image that 100% of them are Villa fans


That was not the question.


It may well have not been the question you actually wanted to ask but it was indeed the question.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 02:37:15 PM
Only in pedantworld.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 02:37:29 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
Or someobody can't read.


Someobody (sic) certainly has problems writing.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Only in pedantworld.


And also in Thickoworld it seems.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 02:44:45 PM
So you admit it doesn't represent very many of all Villa supporters. What right have they to say anything on their behalf?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 02:51:54 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
However small or otherwise if they are it's members it can claim to speak for them, but then if it doesn't even do that you've nothing to worry about.


Small I think. And totally ineffective. And very very very quiet. Ssssh!

Have they ever given the impression they speak for Villa supporters in general? Just wondering.

"Why can't VFC be more like the Supporters Trust" is the line some people here follow. Well if you're into doing and saying nothing then great.

The Trust is almost as insignificant in numbers as VFC, I don't care how they are made up. Everyone has the right to a voice. I like what Jon Fear says. Good luck to him.


Everyone has a right to a voice. Absolutely. Of course those that don't agree with that voice have the same right to voice their disagreement. Particularly if an impression is allowed to flourish that the voice has a wider mandate.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 02:52:32 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
So you admit it doesn't represent very many of all Villa supporters. What right have they to say anything on their behalf?


Is that what they do?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 02:53:22 PM
Quote
Particularly if an impression is allowed to flourish that the voice has a wider mandate.


Like the Trust?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 02:54:17 PM
Quote
Is that what they do?


That's the impression that's allowed to florish.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 21, 2005, 02:55:08 PM
Exactly who are VFC?

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VFC and most of their camp followers


I assume they're the ones wearing the pinky/purple Villa shirts from a few seasons back.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Is that what they do?


That's the impression that's allowed to florish.


Where?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 02:57:14 PM
Quote
Where?


The clue is in the name.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Where?


The clue is in the name.


What other name do you think would be more appropriate for the Supporters’ Trust (as established by an Act of Parliament) that is associated with Aston Villa?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Pete on October 21, 2005, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
So you admit it doesn't represent very many of all Villa supporters. What right have they to say anything on their behalf?


Oscar and Chris can't seem to get through to you (Through no fault of their own, I might add) so I'll have a go.  The ST does NOT claim to say anything on behalf of all supporters. It represents its members. And only its members.  

That is linked to the perceived problem with VFC, which is that no-one knows who they represent (beyond whoever has written the press releases and those who publicly support them, which is a small number of people). And they give the impression (deliberately or accidentally, through their profile in the press) of representing an umbrella group of fans' organisations. maybe it's the 'combined' bit of the name that does it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Where?


The clue is in the name.


No it isn't.

If you think that the Trust is claiming that it is representative as all supporters than that's quite a serious accusation that I assume you will back up with evidence.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:04:35 PM
Cobblers.

An ST press release...

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Press release issued on 27th June.

The Aston Villa Supporters Trust have reacted cautiously to reports of a possible takeover bid for the club. As the largest democratic supporters organisation, the Trust are prepared to meet any bidders to discuss their plans and objectives, and to ascertain whether they provide the guarantees that it is in the supporters interest, for the Trust to support any approach.

We believe that any bid should not lead to the removal of supporter involvement via ownership, although we accept that a takeover may lead to the PLC going private. The Trust is committed to supporter involvement and we urge any bidder to take this into account.

With or without the bid, Aston Villa PLC remains in a similar position to Manchester United pre-Glazier. In order to protect their interests, we urge supporters to galvanise now by joining the Trust to ensure strong representation in dialogue with bidders and Board and to ensure that supporter shareholding is safeguarded.


Don't give me the bullshit. Who said they could act in "supporters interest"?

They are just a slightly bigger but much quieter VFC, not happy that VFC get more attention then they do.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 21, 2005, 03:09:03 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Cobblers.

Don't give me the bullshit.


Steady on Laughing gravy.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:10:13 PM
Quote
Laughing gravy


I love that little dog. He's long dead now though.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bren'd on October 21, 2005, 03:14:30 PM
"They are just a slightly bigger but much quieter VFC, not happy that VFC get more attention then they do".

Very strange thing to say that gravity.  It almost implies a level of insecurity from both groups.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 03:19:13 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Cobblers.

An ST press release...

Quote
Press release issued on 27th June.

The Aston Villa Supporters Trust have reacted cautiously to reports of a possible takeover bid for the club. As the largest democratic supporters organisation, the Trust are prepared to meet any bidders to discuss their plans and objectives, and to ascertain whether they provide the guarantees that it is in the supporters interest, for the Trust to support any approach.

We believe that any bid should not lead to the removal of supporter involvement via ownership, although we accept that a takeover may lead to the PLC going private. The Trust is committed to supporter involvement and we urge any bidder to take this into account.

With or without the bid, Aston Villa PLC remains in a similar position to Manchester United pre-Glazier. In order to protect their interests, we urge supporters to galvanise now by joining the Trust to ensure strong representation in dialogue with bidders and Board and to ensure that supporter shareholding is safeguarded.


Don't give me the bullshit. Who said they could act in "supporters interest"?

They are just a slightly bigger but much quieter VFC, not happy that VFC get more attention then they do.


I'm not really sure what you are saying, but that release is saying that the Trust would be willing to meet with potential bidders so that it can decide whether their aims are consistent with those of the Trust. If they are then it, on behalf of it's members who are Villa supporters, would consider supporting them.

The bit about the attention received is also disingenuous because it was you who mentioned the Trust.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 03:20:18 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"


At first glance.

But I tell you what, as you've now cited this example twice - the first time claiming it as evidence that this is how Jon responds to anyone who "criticises" Why don't you quote the "criticism" and why don't you explain why the response to a single "slagging off" from one person equates to a response to "anyone" who criticises?



Because it wasn't a single attack at one person, rather it was how he described anyone who disagreed with him at the meeting. If it were the first time such a thing had been said, it would be more understandable, but it wasn't. VFC and its members/supporters has a tendency to belittle and/or abuse anyone with a differing view.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 03:24:17 PM
I’ve criticised both groups in my time but only VFC supporters react hysterically – indeed it’s almost as if somebody’s pissed on their chips.                        

Laughing Gravity’s clearly an energetic and enthusiastic supporter of VFC so, if he can bear to be relieved of the anonymity of hiding behind a keyboard, he should put his money where his mouse is and give Fear the help he so obviously needs.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:24:21 PM
Chris,

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whether they provide the guarantees that it is in the supporters interest


The Trust are deciding "the supporters interest"

That is a self-appointed. The Trust is really a very small number of people.

Egos, it's all about egos.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 03:24:23 PM
Quote
We believe that any bid should not lead to the removal of supporter involvement via ownership, although we accept that a takeover may lead to the PLC going private


If a takeover does end up with the club being in private hands, what then for the Trust?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:26:12 PM
Quote
Laughing Gravity’s clearly an energetic and enthusiastic supporter of VFC so, if he can bear to be relieved of the anonymity of hiding behind a keyboard, he should put his money where his mouse is and give Fear the help he so obviously needs.


He doesn't need any help. It's not that kind of group.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:27:00 PM
Quote
If a takeover does end up with the club being in private hands, what then for the Trust?


I expect they'll go on speaking for the supporters.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 03:28:05 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Laughing Gravity’s clearly an energetic and enthusiastic supporter of VFC so, if he can bear to be relieved of the anonymity of hiding behind a keyboard, he should put his money where his mouse is and give Fear the help he so obviously needs.


He doesn't need any help. It's not that kind of group.


What's not what kind of group?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 21, 2005, 03:29:36 PM
Quoting Pete Bland:

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We've done this loads of times before. It's not a membership organisation. There are no members cards, joining fee etc. It's not "democratic" It's a pressure group.


If that's the case then can I start issuing press releases calling myself a VFC spokesman then? As long as if covers a vague 'Ellis Out' subject, then surely I have as much right as anyone to issue one, no?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 03:32:03 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Chris,

Quote
whether they provide the guarantees that it is in the supporters interest


The Trust are deciding "the supporters interest"

That is a self-appointed. The Trust is really a very small number of people.

Egos, it's all about egos.


It then goes on to explain what it means by supporter interest:

Quote
We believe that any bid should not lead to the removal of supporter involvement via ownership, although we accept that a takeover may lead to the PLC going private. The Trust is committed to supporter involvement and we urge any bidder to take this into account.


Which is soemthing that Trust members (and I'll declare an interest here) have been given the opportunity to vote on.

It's easy to pretend that it's all about egos, it saves having to answer the difficult questions.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:32:17 PM
Quote
If that's the case then can I start issuing press releases calling myself a VFC spokesman then? As long as if covers a vague 'Ellis Out' subject, then surely I have as much right as anyone to issue one, no?


Someone is catching on.

Give it a try.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Laughing Gravity’s clearly an energetic and enthusiastic supporter of VFC so, if he can bear to be relieved of the anonymity of hiding behind a keyboard, he should put his money where his mouse is and give Fear the help he so obviously needs.


He doesn't need any help. It's not that kind of group.


How do you know he doesn't need help?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:35:14 PM
Quote
Which is soemthing that Trust members (and I'll declare an interest here) have been given the opportunity to vote on.


I don't care how many of the small number of ST members voted on it, you don't speak for all Villa supporters. You hardly speak for any of them.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 03:35:16 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quoting Pete Bland:

Quote
We've done this loads of times before. It's not a membership organisation. There are no members cards, joining fee etc. It's not "democratic" It's a pressure group.


If that's the case then can I start issuing press releases calling myself a VFC spokesman then?


Yes, anyone can.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 21, 2005, 03:36:58 PM
Quote
"On behalf of the non-democratic, non-hierarchical pressure group Villa Fans Combined I would like it to be noted by the media that we still don't like Doug Ellis.

David Houghton
VFC Spokesman

PS Ellis Out"


I'll whack that over to Reuters now then.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 03:37:14 PM
Come on, Gravity, exactly what kind of group is VFC and why are you so unwilling to help it?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 03:43:36 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Which is soemthing that Trust members (and I'll declare an interest here) have been given the opportunity to vote on.


I don't care how many of the small number of ST members voted on it, you don't speak for all Villa supporters. You hardly speak for any of them.


Where has anyone claimed to "speak on behalf of all Villa supporters". The Trust having a view that something is not, in their opinion, in the interests of supporters is not the same as being a Villa Fans Chief.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:45:19 PM
Quote
Where has anyone claimed to "speak on behalf of all Villa supporters".


You read the press release.

Quote
The Trust having a view that something is not, in their opinion, in the interests of supporters is not the same as being a Villa Fans chief


really?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"

Where has anyone claimed to "speak on behalf of all Villa supporters". The Trust having a view that something is not, in their opinion, in the interests of supporters is not the same as being a Villa Fans Chief.


Which is something that Jon Fear has never referred to himself as.  Although to follow the reasoning given for the Trust's statement, it could be argued that he's the "chief" of the fans he represents.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:48:37 PM
Quote
Come on, Gravity, exactly what kind of group is VFC and why are you so unwilling to help it?


They are what they are and they are doing alright without my help. I've got my own group to look after.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:49:10 PM
39.

That's stuffed you Woodhall.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 03:49:17 PM
I agree with Laughing Gravity. The Trust PR does appear to be claiming that the Trust wishes to decide whether...good for ALL supporters.

It may not be what was intended to be said, but it's how it comes across. Honestly, it does.

I don't mind. Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so, they are doing something they believe in. I used to be a member and am not against the principle of supporters trusts.

I suspect that they may be (OK definitely are) pissing in the wind as far as their stated aim, while Ellis is in place. I suspect they know it.

I like the outbreaks of straightforwardness when they say Ellis should go.

I'm less impressed when they, or their (exec) members say "I believe it would be in the best interests of the club for Ellis to remain in place..." as they did not so long ago.

But it's a free world.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 03:51:31 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Come on, Gravity, exactly what kind of group is VFC and why are you so unwilling to help it?


They are what they are...


Well, that’s illuminating although I’m sure it does actually sum up everything you really know about VFC.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:52:17 PM
Quote
Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so


Does it? is it true that some didn't renew their membership this time round and were ceremoniously dumped?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 03:54:23 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so


Does it? is it true that some didn't renew their membership this time round and were ceremoniously dumped?


What sort of ceremony do you imagine was involved?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 03:54:56 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so


Does it? is it true that some didn't renew their membership this time round and were ceremoniously dumped?


Yes. They didn't renew and were - shock! horror!! - no longer members. Oh, the outrage!!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 03:55:04 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"

Where has anyone claimed to "speak on behalf of all Villa supporters". The Trust having a view that something is not, in their opinion, in the interests of supporters is not the same as being a Villa Fans Chief.


Which is something that Jon Fear has never referred to himself as.  Although to follow the reasoning given for the Trust's statement, it could be argued that he's the "chief" of the fans he represents.


I know that Risso, but as I posted 80 pages back I don't think enough has been done to correct that view and it detracts from their credibility in my eyes. If they get misrepresented once then that's fair enough, but to allow it to keep happening leaves them open to the criticism that will inevitably follow.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:55:59 PM
Quote
Yes. They didn't renew and were - shock! horror!! - no longer members. Oh, the outrage!!!


So is ST membership on the increase or decline?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 03:58:18 PM
Quote
What sort of ceremony do you imagine was involved?


Did they have the collars ripped from their 80/81 replica shirts and slapped across the cheeks with a three year old copy of H&V?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 21, 2005, 03:58:29 PM
Pete,
As you claim to always answer sensible questions, you will no doubt have missed rather than ignored the one earlier which asked: Which groups lie under the umbrella of VFC?

I'll refrain from trawling for the ones of mine you've missed just on this thread.

Hey Mr Gravity (or may I call you Laughing as I bet your Christening was a blast). The Supporters' Trust claims to speak on behalf of an obvious, concrete, known group of people, namely its members. That is both implicit and explicit in their press releases. (Ask for help if you can't follow). But I agree with you that Jon Fear and VFC don't claim to speak for all Villa fans. It did claim knowledge of shareholders views a couple of PRs back although I'm sure that was poor language rather than big ego. I wish people would stop beating them over the head with the "fans' chief" stuff so they didn't have the hurt and offended route of avoiding questions.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 03:59:58 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"

I know that Risso, but as I posted 80 pages back I don't think enough has been done to correct that view and it detracts from their credibility in my eyes. If they get misrepresented once then that's fair enough, but to allow it to keep happening leaves them open to the criticism that will inevitably follow.


I only ever remember seeing the term "Fans' Chief" in one piece, and read on another site that Jon was embarrassed by it.

I think that most people are intelligent enough to work out that when a group is mentioned, it doen't necessarily mean all fans agree with that point of view.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 04:00:32 PM
Quote
(or may I call you Laughing as I bet your Christening was a blast).


I was circumcised by a Russian Rabbi in Stoke.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: RossLeach on October 21, 2005, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Though the trust only represents a couple of hundred people or so


Does it? is it true that some didn't renew their membership this time round and were ceremoniously dumped?


Yes. They didn't renew and were - shock! horror!! - no longer members. Oh, the outrage!!!


I can't find my form.....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 04:03:21 PM
Quote from: "Risso"


I only ever remember seeing the term "Fans' Chief" in one piece, and read on another site that Jon was embarrassed by it.



He might be embarassed by it, but he doesn't do anything to prevent it from happening. I do wish VFC would realise that when you've got nothing to say, the best course is to say nothing. Then again, we wouldn't have these pleasant little debates if they did.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"

He might be embarassed by it, but he doesn't do anything to prevent it from happening. I do wish VFC would realise that when you've got nothing to say, the best course is to say nothing. Then again, we wouldn't have these pleasant little debates if they did.


It happened once that I've seen.  You're positive Jon knew that's what the journo in question was going to write before he printed it, and did nothing to stop it?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2005, 04:05:46 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"

I know that Risso, but as I posted 80 pages back I don't think enough has been done to correct that view and it detracts from their credibility in my eyes. If they get misrepresented once then that's fair enough, but to allow it to keep happening leaves them open to the criticism that will inevitably follow.


I only ever remember seeing the term "Fans' Chief" in one piece, and read on another site that Jon was embarrassed by it.

I think that most people are intelligent enough to work out that when a group is mentioned, it doen't necessarily mean all fans agree with that point of view.


I'll say this quickly in case Simon tells me off. That particular term might only have been used once, but they are often misrepresented as 'an umbrella group for all supporters organisations' or similar. That's not true and they should make it clear to the press people that they deal with just who they represent. Then we might have an idea too.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 04:06:06 PM
Quote
So is ST membership on the increase or decline?


I think we have a right to know.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: "RossLeach"

I can't find my form.....


I never had a renewal form either.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2005, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"



It happened once that I've seen.  You're positive Jon knew that's what the journo in question was going to write before he printed it, and did nothing to stop it?


I doubt very much that he knew what said journo was going to write - the first time. Has he spoken to him since?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 04:11:22 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"

I doubt very much that he knew what said journo was going to write - the first time. Has he spoken to him since?


I don't know.  Has the term "Fans' chief" been used since?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 04:15:23 PM
Quote
Quote:
So is ST membership on the increase or decline?


I think we have a right to know.


have the members voted with their feet?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 21, 2005, 04:19:19 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
have the members voted with their feet?

Surely only Christy Brown could do that.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 21, 2005, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
(or may I call you Laughing as I bet your Christening was a blast).


I was circumcised by a Russian Rabbi in Stoke.


Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but he cut off the wrong bit.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Pete on October 21, 2005, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
I agree with Laughing Gravity. The Trust PR does appear to be claiming that the Trust wishes to decide whether...good for ALL supporters.

It may not be what was intended to be said, but it's how it comes across. Honestly, it does.
.


I read it as the ST being keen that all supporters retain the right to be shareholders if the club goes private. Arguing that supporters should have that right is not the same as claiming to speak for all supporters, IMO.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: "Pete"
Quote from: "pete bland"
I agree with Laughing Gravity. The Trust PR does appear to be claiming that the Trust wishes to decide whether...good for ALL supporters.

It may not be what was intended to be said, but it's how it comes across. Honestly, it does.
.


I read it as the ST being keen that all supporters retain the right to be shareholders if the club goes private.


I don't think that's what they were getting at, as it's impossible.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 04:31:55 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
(or may I call you Laughing as I bet your Christening was a blast).


I was circumcised by a Russian Rabbi in Stoke.


Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but he cut off the wrong bit.


Straight in at this week's Number One...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 21, 2005, 04:32:04 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"

I'll say this quickly in case Simon tells me off. That particular term might only have been used once, but they are often misrepresented as 'an umbrella group for all supporters organisations' or similar. That's not true and they should make it clear to the press people that they deal with just who they represent. Then we might have an idea too.


You're a very naughty... oh fck it.

Pete Bland said:

Quote
It's a pressure group. A group of people backed by many more, putting forward a particular viewpoint. VFC doesn't represent all villa fans and has never claimed to do so.


So who's in the group? Who's in the backers?

I did find this while I was being dull (http://www.villafc.com/PR_20030618.html)

It is two years old but I just randomly clicked on a PR in the list. It states:

Quote
VFC (Villa Fans Combined)
VFC is an umbrella group that includes independent websites such as Holteenders.com (Mike Field), VillaTalk.com (Peter Bosworth and John Cresswell), astonished etc, Navid Nazir of Avisa, The Aston Villa Shareholders Association, Jonathan Fear and a long list of supporters from all sections of the Villa community.


Is it still the case?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bad English on October 21, 2005, 04:32:49 PM
Seeing as it's sticking around, can somebody edit the thread title and remove the ALL CAPS please? It's doing my head in.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 21, 2005, 04:35:45 PM
Why is the ST being so secretive about its membership numbers?
Are they up or down?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 04:36:07 PM
I’m not sure to which section of the Villa community I belong.  

Is there an enthusiastic supporter of the team section?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: the weatherman on October 21, 2005, 04:42:46 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Is there an enthusiastic supporter of the team section?


Now that group does seem to be dwindling.

Quote
Navid Nazir of Avisa


Would that be Old Blue Nose Naz?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 21, 2005, 04:45:06 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
I only ever remember seeing the term "Fans' Chief" in one piece, and read on another site that Jon was embarrassed by it.


Even if I believe that that was his only feeling, how long was it before he spoke to the tosser that wrote it again?

I think it was less that 2 weeks.

That's how embarressed and outraged he was.  =;
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2005, 04:46:08 PM
Did the term get used again by the same journo?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 21, 2005, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Did the term get used again by the same journo?


Can't remember. He always writes using the generic term "Villa Fans" as in "Villa Fans Think Ellis Smells". There's probably very little Jon Fear can do about it and as the hack in question writes the copy which appears on all the outlets in which VFC gets mentioned, I'm sure it will continue. The alternative is probably no press coverage, unless John Curtis can be encouraged to write "Fans Group".

Now, does that list of two years ago still apply?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 05:15:55 PM
The list from the website, largely applies - VFC is an "amalgamation" of  shareholders and supporters seems a pretty fair description to me. Given that there are no actual members as such. I'm sure we've done this one before. If only the website didn't keep changing and disappearing we could all just do that "I refer the gentleman to the naswer I gave 6 months, 12 months, 18 months etc ago.

When VFC was set up, as you know I wasn't involved at that time, so won't comment on the original "description" and have no wish to go over old ground again, as entertaining as it may be for some.

Sorry for the delay, I haven't read every post on this very long thread, nor am I going to.

Also I have a life*/pathetic existence sustained only by a loathing of Ellis and inability to take on board any criticism or comment* to lead.

*delete as suits your preconcieved view.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 21, 2005, 05:29:53 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
Also I have a pathetic existence sustained only by a loathing of Ellis and inability to take on board any criticism or comment to lead.


Have you asked Risso’s permission?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 21, 2005, 05:40:03 PM
Quote
The list from the website, largely applies


Pete, it may seem petty to you. Indeed, it may be petty for some, but I don't ask to score points. If for no other reason, VFC should be concerned about openness because the lack of it is one of the sticks used to beat Doug.

VillaTalk and John Cresswell claim not to be anything to do with VFC (save the former having more pro posters than, say, H&V and the latter generally agreeing). I have no reason to doubt them. So does "largely" mean everyone on the list except VillaTalk/JC?

Bearing in mind VFC's existence is solely a mediated one, do you not see the importance of this?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: RossLeach on October 21, 2005, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "RossLeach"

I can't find my form.....


I never had a renewal form either.


I did get one, I just put it with stuff to do, like my renewal of membership for the Institute of Maths and its Applications..........

I'll get me coat.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 21, 2005, 05:58:31 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Pete"
Quote from: "pete bland"
I agree with Laughing Gravity. The Trust PR does appear to be claiming that the Trust wishes to decide whether...good for ALL supporters.

It may not be what was intended to be said, but it's how it comes across. Honestly, it does.
.


I read it as the ST being keen that all supporters retain the right to be shareholders if the club goes private.


I don't think that's what they were getting at, as it's impossible.


No it isn't, I hold shares in Tamworth FC, they are not a PLC, their shares are not quoted on the stock exchange but I am still a shareholder.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Red Robbo on October 21, 2005, 08:09:46 PM
I wrote to Jonathan Fear back in march and asked if he got permission for using Terry's name in the leaflets they handed out, to quote his reply "I am not answerable to people like you.", so I wrote and asked again and he replied "I couldn't care what you want.  I don't trust you, I don't like you and I don't answer to you."
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 21, 2005, 08:15:07 PM
Can I have a synopsis of this thread? 40+ pages is a lot to go through!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 21, 2005, 08:38:38 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
Can I have a synopsis of this thread? 40+ pages is a lot to go through!!


Sure:  wank, tits, shit, fuck, bollocks, c***.

That just about does it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bad English on October 21, 2005, 08:40:03 PM
(http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfu6.jpg)

That's better!  \:D/
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bad English on October 21, 2005, 08:42:00 PM
Actually, don't mind me, I was just tittering at that image when I found it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 21, 2005, 09:21:52 PM
Great pic! Is it RH (JOKE Rich!!)?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 21, 2005, 10:05:45 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
I’m not sure to which section of the Villa community I belong...


Somewhere on the right wing? I'm sure they'll care for you there.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 22, 2005, 10:07:26 AM
Did the Supporters Trust ask any questions at the AGM? If so what were they?

And am I right in thinking that the £50,000 for the William McGregor Statue has to be totally raised by the Trust? How is that fund going? What is the club contributing? The space to put it on? Also am I right in thinking that the Board just awarded themselves a bonus of £50,000 each?

It's a strange world.

Are the Trust actually doing anything interesting at the moment?

How many fully paid up members are there?

How many were at the last AGM?

I think the Trust is a good idea, I'm just trying to gauge its moral superiority over anyone else to have a say.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 22, 2005, 10:28:27 AM
Quote from: "pete bland"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
I’m not sure to which section of the Villa community I belong...


Somewhere on the right wing? I'm sure they'll care for you there.


I’m not really sure what that means but does anyone else get the impression that Blandy’s stuck in a 1970s time warp?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 22, 2005, 10:42:29 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Did the Supporters Trust ask any questions at the AGM? If so what were they?

And am I right in thinking that the £50,000 for the William McGregor Statue has to be totally raised by the Trust? How is that fund going? What is the club contributing? The space to put it on? Also am I right in thinking that the Board just awarded themselves a bonus of £50,000 each?

It's a strange world.

Are the Trust actually doing anything interesting at the moment?

How many fully paid up members are there?

How many were at the last AGM?

I think the Trust is a good idea, I'm just trying to gauge its moral superiority over anyone else to have a say.


What do you mean by moral superiority, it's a strange concept to attach to any organisation of football supporters. Does this mean that in your version of the world there is some sort of league table of morality?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 22, 2005, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"


Where has anyone claimed to "speak on behalf of all Villa supporters". The Trust having a view that something is not, in their opinion, in the interests of supporters is not the same as being a Villa Fans Chief.


If VFC speak then people accuse them of saying they are speaking on behalf of all Villa supporters, which is something I've never seen them claim. A spokesman for the trust could easily be described as a "Villa fans chief" and it still wouldn't make me think they were claiming to represent all Villa fans either.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 22, 2005, 03:34:42 PM
Tony that is the most sensible post on this whole thread (just spent 20 minutes looking at the latest).
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 08:24:06 AM
Quote
What do you mean by moral superiority, it's a strange concept to attach to any organisation of football supporters. Does this mean that in your version of the world there is some sort of league table of morality?


I mean some people think the ST have more right to speak for the fans then VFC. I'm saying that isn't true.

How many fully paid up ST members are there and how many were at the last AGM?

How is the statue fund going? Why can't they persuade the club just to erect one anyway and pay for it?

Is the ST active?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Harte on October 24, 2005, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
What do you mean by moral superiority, it's a strange concept to attach to any organisation of football supporters. Does this mean that in your version of the world there is some sort of league table of morality?


I mean some people think the ST have more right to speak for the fans then VFC. I'm saying that isn't true.

How many fully paid up ST members are there and how many were at the last AGM?

How is the statue fund going? Why can't they persuade the club just to erect one anyway and pay for it?

Is the ST active?

I can't speak for anyone else here but I'm a Share Trust member. I didn't go to the last AGM. And I have given the ST my proxy in the past, so they have spoken for me. More so than the VFC. Last I heard the ST had about 300 hundred members (I'm sure others can confirm or deny this) and I am receiving emails from them at present which suggests that they are active.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2005, 08:47:40 AM
Quote
I mean some people think the ST have more right to speak for the fans then VFC. I'm saying that isn't true.


Who thinks that?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 09:04:55 AM
Quote
Last I heard the ST had about 300 hundred members


How many fully paid up members?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 09:06:52 AM
Quote
Who thinks that?


The Trust Supporters who slag off VFC every time they open their mouth.

Did the Trust ask any questions at the last Villa AGM?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 24, 2005, 09:07:51 AM
I hope the ST is still active as myself and 3 others have just sent off the application forms. I'm not a big VFC fan but for my own reasons.Its a matter of personal opinion. I find constant banging on about Ellis becomes counter productive. What's the plan B as it isn't working. Do they have a follow up strategy. A pressure groupdon't just release the same type of statement and keep saying it because the effect is lost on the person they're aftyer-Ellis. but loses broad appeal and support of Villa fans. Surely that's just as important. IMO they are banging the same drum to the point of coming across as moaners. Once that is recognised, they have to sit down-whoever it is- and decide on the next step. If they cannot come up with anything new, then they have to ask themselves what are they for? A march before a game, a demonstration? They need to get popular support from the majority of Villa fans to be successful in their aims. Instead they seem to be losing it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 09:13:48 AM
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I find constant banging on about Ellis becomes counter productive.


I disagree. If at first you don't succeed...

You know when athletes lose the first few races in their career should they give up?

You know when people are falsely imprisoned and there family and friends don't get immediate rectification, should they give up?

Your logic is for losers.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 24, 2005, 09:21:08 AM
But we're talking about the tactics of a pressure group. Not athletes. And yes, if athletes loses races, they may look to change a coach, training methods,race tactics, instead of trying the same thing that didn't work before. Family members falsely imprisoned? Get a sense of reality, that is the most pathetic thing I have seen. Go to somebody who is in that situation and tell them you want to compare what they do with VFC changing chairman they'll laugh at you. What these groups do, as you bring it up, isn't to just issue you press statements, and ask questions at AGM's it goes deeper and further than that. If thats how VFC see themselves, and how they compare their cause, then they demand less repect than first thought.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 09:24:45 AM
Hey Peter you're wrong. Simple. And you missed the point of what I'm saying. I'm not saying a VFC campaign equates with a mis-justice campaign, I'm saying the priciple of not giving up is the same and banging on when no one appears to be listening.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2005, 09:37:58 AM
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Who thinks that?


The Trust Supporters who slag off VFC every time they open their mouth.



Do they really?

The Trust as a legally constituted, democratic organisation has a mandate to speak for it's members.

The VFC has a mandate to speak for Jon Fear and his mates.

I'm not saying that they, the VFC, don't have any right to make their statements, but as with any right there are reponsibilities. It is therefore perfectly acceptable for those of us on the outside to question and criticise if we see fit.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2005, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Hey Peter you're wrong. Simple. And you missed the point of what I'm saying. I'm not saying a VFC campaign equates with a mis-justice campaign, I'm saying the priciple of not giving up is the same and banging on when no one appears to be listening.


If no one appears to be listening it's probably because they are not. Which either means that you've got the wrong message or the wrong method of conveying that message. Which ever it is it's probabaly a good idea to have a bit of a think about what you are doing. Just ask the Tories.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 24, 2005, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Hey Peter you're wrong. Simple. And you missed the point of what I'm saying. I'm not saying a VFC campaign equates with a mis-justice campaign, I'm saying the priciple of not giving up is the same and banging on when no one appears to be listening.


Whhich is ironic really. If you read what I stated in the first place, I said a change of tactics are required when the approach being used isn't working. How is that saying give up? If anything its saying try harder. The same thing said over and over , the same way, becomes easy for Ellis to deflect and grates those who you should have as your support. This needs to rectified if VFC are to be successful. If you/they are a pressure group then obviously there must be a campaign co-ordinater. If not why not? If there is , shouldn't somebody be asking questions as to why they are losing the support they initially had from many Villa fans?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 09:43:39 AM
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The Trust as a legally constituted, democratic organisation has a mandate to speak for it's members.

The VFC has a mandate to speak for Jon Fear and his mates.


There's not a matey thing going on at the Trust then?

Anyway I pointed out they sometimes like to give a different impression about who they speak for. They don't in reality speak for many people anyway.

How many fully paid up members are there? What questions did they ask at the last AGM?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 09:46:50 AM
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why they are losing the support they initially had from many Villa fans?


The same could be said of another group.

The VFC keeping saying the same thing because it's what needs to be said, because people forget.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 24, 2005, 10:11:25 AM
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why they are losing the support they initially had from many Villa fans?


The same could be said of another group.

The VFC keeping saying the same thing because it's what needs to be said, because people forget.


So you're turning this into a ST v VFC thread? Ellis must be literally laughing himself silly. If VFC are an Ellis Out pressure group concentrate your mind on the point in question. If the current policy of VFC is the issuing of statements, that is now losing its punch and a new strategy needs to be thought out. Its irrelevant as to how many members ST has/had. I'm discussing  the plan of VFC. They will only succeed in the removal of Ellis if they have the goodwill and support of fans. Thats how pressure groups- and indeed justice campaigners- succeed. Now, as I said VFC did have support initially. They are losing it. If they wish to suceed they need to change tack. I'm not say disappear, I'm not saying this person or that person is an idiot, just that some new input is needed in the campaign direction.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Barron on October 24, 2005, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
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The Trust as a legally constituted, democratic organisation has a mandate to speak for it's members.

The VFC has a mandate to speak for Jon Fear and his mates.


There's not a matey thing going on at the Trust then?

Anyway I pointed out they sometimes like to give a different impression about who they speak for. They don't in reality speak for many people anyway.

How many fully paid up members are there? What questions did they ask at the last AGM?


Was determined not to get sucked into this.

However, I am a member of the Trust, whilst not being mates with any of the Exec and as far as I know any other members (other than my wife and kids).

I am happy that the Trust speak on my behalf and vote according to the democratic views of it's members at the AGM.

My suggestion to anyone that doesn't like what the Trust is doing is to jojn and make your voice heard through the legally constituted one member one vote system.

While we are on the topic, was Jon Fear speaking at the AGM wearing his VFC or Shareholder's Association hat?  What did the SA members think of their Chairman walking out before the end of the meeting and therefore being unable to represent their views fully?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 24, 2005, 10:26:46 AM
Somebody said to me on Saturday that the last time he saw something as funny and painful as Jon Fear & the rest of the VFC storming out of the AGM was the Bee Gees on Clive Anderson - for exactly the same reason.

And SImon - you wont find many members of the SA - because the SA don't want ordiunary shareholders as normal members - unless they're still trying to set up an alternative Supporters Trust.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 10:27:54 AM
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What did the SA members think of their Chairman walking out before the end of the meeting and therefore being unable to represent their views fully?


Maybe walking out was the best representation of their views.

Ooo ST don't like criticism.

So how many fully paid up members are there in the ST? Are their numbers dwindling because they don't have the support they used to?

Did they ask any questions at the AGM?

Do they have a view on the Ellis health situation and takeover offers that the club ARE considering according to Ellis?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 24, 2005, 10:31:04 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
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What did the SA members think of their Chairman walking out before the end of the meeting and therefore being unable to represent their views fully?


Maybe walking out was the best representation of their views.

Ooo ST don't like criticism.

So how many fully paid up members are there in the ST? Are their numbers dwindling because they don't have the support they used to?

Did they ask any questions at the AGM?

Do they have a view on the Ellis health situation and takeover offers that the club ARE considering according to Ellis?



So, back to my dads bigger than your dad, LG? I was trying to engage you in a sensible debate and this is all you come back with.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 10:34:16 AM
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So, back to my dads bigger than your dad, LG? I was trying to engage you in a sensible debate and this is all you come back with.


Actually no. If you read it there are a numer of meaty questions there waiting to be answered. I've asked them probably five times now.

I'm merely pointing out that the people, ST supporters, slagging off VFC have to look to themselves as to why VFC is necessary.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2005, 10:34:30 AM
Quote from: "Simon Barron"

While we are on the topic, was Jon Fear speaking at the AGM wearing his VFC or Shareholder's Association hat?  What did the SA members think of their Chairman walking out before the end of the meeting and therefore being unable to represent their views fully?


As was posted above, Jon asked many questions, and was palmed off with non answers time and time again, so decided enough was enough.

As LG has repeatedly asked, what questions were asked by the Trust at the AGM?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 24, 2005, 10:34:34 AM
I think I know who Laughing Gravity is.  We've met him before.  ](*,)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 10:36:04 AM
Why don't you stick to the debate Mac like a good moderator and follow your own rules.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 24, 2005, 10:38:39 AM
Now I definitely know who LG is.  \:D/

What are you doing in Huddersfield?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 10:41:23 AM
I'm disappointed in you Mac. You are breaking your own rules. I thought you at least had more integrity.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2005, 10:41:32 AM
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I'm merely pointing out that the people, ST supporters, slagging off VFC have to look to themselves as to why VFC is necessary.


So it's memebers of the Trust that make an anti-Ellis pressure group necessary?

As you said earlier nobody is listening to the VFC, so why not engage the brain and try something different?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 24, 2005, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
I'm disappointed in you Mac. You are breaking your own rules. I thought you at least had more integrity.


That's  not what you normally say.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 10:44:04 AM
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As you said earlier nobody is listening to the VFC, so why not engage the brain and try something different?


Because if at first you don't succeed...

What did the ST ask at the last AGM and how many paid up members are there? Are they losing popularity?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 24, 2005, 10:44:49 AM
And if I'm not mistaken, you're banned.

Email me and we'll discuss it off line.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 10:45:20 AM
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That's not what you normally say.


I've argued with you but always respected you. You've let me down. I thought you had integrity.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Barron on October 24, 2005, 10:47:40 AM
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What did the SA members think of their Chairman walking out before the end of the meeting and therefore being unable to represent their views fully?


Maybe walking out was the best representation of their views.

Ooo ST don't like criticism.

So how many fully paid up members are there in the ST? Are their numbers dwindling because they don't have the support they used to?

Did they ask any questions at the AGM?

Do they have a view on the Ellis health situation and takeover offers that the club ARE considering according to Ellis?


I'm sure that constructive criticism is always welcome.  However, this would probably be best addressed to the Exec rather than posting on a public message board and hoping that one of them reads it.

I'm also not sure what bringing the ST into the debate does other than muddy the waters.  If members aren't happy with the direction, aims and communications then there are a number of things that they can do.

I'm not sure why a non-member is unhappy at how the ST represents the views of it's members.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 24, 2005, 10:47:49 AM
Laughing Gravity has left the building.

He's still banned from before.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2005, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: "Mac"
Laughing Gravity has left the building.

He's still banned from before.


That's a shame, he hasn't looked like he's said anything unreasonable this time round.  What does he need to do to get unbanned?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2005, 10:50:23 AM
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Because if at first you don't succeed...


But waht if after several goes you don't succeed?

Trotting out the same lines at every opportunity is becoming counter-productive because they are alienating the very people they are supposed to be winning over. That weakens their message so that it becomes cliched sloganeering.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2005, 10:53:34 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"

Trotting out the same lines at every opportunity is becoming counter-productive because they are alienating the very people they are supposed to be winning over.


Do you know that that's the case Chris?  The fact that the statements get picked to bits on here, doesn't mean that they don't have broader support amongst other Villa supporters.  It doesn't mean that they do of course, but that's the point, I don't think we should take the views from here as necessarily indicative of Villa fans on the whole.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 24, 2005, 10:55:02 AM
Quote from: "Mac"
Laughing Gravity has left the building.

He's still banned from before.

What was his previous moniker?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2005, 10:58:20 AM
Quote from: "Simon Barron"


I'm not sure why a non-member is unhappy at how the ST represents the views of it's members.


Because he, in this and previous aliases, has never done anything in this type of debate except pick a 'side' and make puerile remarks about its perceived opposition. He was doing it years ago, and he hasn't grown up from then.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 11:01:35 AM
I have NEVER been banned before.

I have some contentious views but I have NEVER been banned before.

Outrageous Mac.

You have let yourself down big time.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 11:03:18 AM
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make puerile remarks about its perceived opposition.


For puerile remarks read "valid questions" that are not answered.

Wow, I've seen the light.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2005, 11:07:51 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"

Trotting out the same lines at every opportunity is becoming counter-productive because they are alienating the very people they are supposed to be winning over.


Do you know that that's the case Chris?  The fact that the statements get picked to bits on here, doesn't mean that they don't have broader support amongst other Villa supporters.  It doesn't mean that they do of course, but that's the point, I don't think we should take the views from here as necessarily indicative of Villa fans on the whole.


You are right of course, but believe it or not I do know some 'real' people as well. There was a great deal of good will towards the VFC when they started out now there is just a sense of here they go again. I think most people have come to the realisation that Ellis isn't going to take any notice of us unless he really has to and for a variety of reasons the anti Ellis people have never been able to mobilise sufficient, sustained support for them cause to cause him more than a slight discomfort every now and then.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 24, 2005, 11:08:39 AM
Anyway I'm off to Villatalk, everything the exiles there said about this site appears to be true. Bye.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2005, 11:09:53 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Anyway I'm off to Villatalk, everything the exiles there said about this site appears to be true. Bye.


Too true. Now shut the door, we're just about to sacrifice a goat.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bad English on October 24, 2005, 11:11:14 AM
There's no need to make us feel sad LG.  :roll:
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 24, 2005, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Anyway I'm off to Villatalk, everything the exiles there said about this site appears to be true. Bye.


Unless I'm mistaken, you're banned from there too.

And as I said, if you want to discuss this we'll do it via email off list.

Stomping off?  You're not Jon Fear are you?  =D>
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Barron on October 24, 2005, 11:18:06 AM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
Quote from: "Mac"
Laughing Gravity has left the building.

He's still banned from before.

What was his previous moniker?


Did he frequent Welsh kebab shops?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2005, 11:18:22 AM
Whatever he's said before, I don't think Mac needed to ban him.  He's said nothing that's abusive as far as I can see, and others that have been banned in the past (Eg Ian Robo and Ian Robinson) are now posting again.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 24, 2005, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Whatever he's said before, I don't think Mac needed to ban him.  He's said nothing that's abusive as far as I can see, and others that have been banned in the past (Eg Ian Robo and Ian Robinson) are now posting again.


Sorry Risso, but what he said before DOES give me every reason to not want the cnut anywhere near this site ever.  However, if I'm wrong we can civilly discuss this via email.

There is of course a chance that I'm wrong, but his comments today, including the flouncing off have made me 99% certain that I know who he is.

I believe he is Mark Hall aka MH and Villatalk know all about him too.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: tsvet on October 24, 2005, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
I'm disappointed in you Mac. You are breaking your own rules. I thought you at least had more integrity.


That does sound like Hannibal Lecter talking on the phone. Very much out of the serial killers' films! =D>
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 24, 2005, 12:02:59 PM
Of course I could be wrong.....  :oops:

And it could be an old friend.......   8-[

LG unbanned.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2005, 12:04:49 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Of course I could be wrong.....  :oops:

And it could be an old friend.......   8-[


Oops!  I take it he's not banned then?!  Mac McColgan, IP address super sleuth, not!  :smt002
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2005, 12:07:17 PM
If he's in Stoke as he says, he must have long arms. His computer's in Huddersfield.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2005, 12:42:22 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
If he's in Stoke as he says, he must have long arms. His computer's in Huddersfield.


I think the bit about the Russian rabbi in Stoke may have been a joke.....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2005, 12:43:42 PM
Can we get back to the bitching now, please?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2005, 12:58:58 PM
I thought that it might be a man who is not too keen on Jews or rubber johnnys.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2005, 12:59:54 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I thought that it might be a man who is not too keen on Jews or rubber johnnys.


The new Pope?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ian c. on October 24, 2005, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: "Risso"

The new Pope?


That's very good. =D>
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 24, 2005, 01:05:36 PM
How did the ST vote at the AGM, with their own and proxy votes? (yes, yes, they stuck their hand in the air at the appropriate time..)

specifically
Did they vote for or against the re-election of Doug Ellis.
Did they vote for or against the re-election of other board member(s)

Did they hold a ballot of all their members prior to the AGM to determine which way the membership wanted them to vote?

Given that the democracy,open-ness and all round goodness of the ST is feted, why has no one answered LG's questions. Surely it can't be that hard?

Previously (when I was a member) the ST voted against Ellis and Peter Ellis, did hold a ballot of its members prior to the AGM and had around 310 members. This was all very good, I felt.

I would imagine, it's still the same. Am I right?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 24, 2005, 01:07:34 PM
Speaking as a member I can honestly say that I was balloted before the AGM as to what the mandate should be.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2005, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Speaking as a member I can honestly say that I was balloted before the AGM as to what the mandate should be.


What was the result Mac?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 24, 2005, 01:09:09 PM
WHile we're throwing questions around, since the take-over of the SA by VFC (to rejuvanise the moribund organisation we were told).  What has the SA done, other than look a lot like the bloke that runs the VFC?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2005, 01:13:06 PM
I'd suggest that the Supporters' Trust chair would be the most appropriate person to ask this question of, rather than have it used as a potential point-scoring exercise on a topic unrelated to their activities.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2005, 01:16:22 PM
Are the Trust not worried about Villa's future then?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2005, 01:21:24 PM
I would imagine that members are, but this thread isn't about them.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2005, 01:23:37 PM
Well I could start a seperate thread about The Trust if you like, but I'd say it makes sense to have only the one thread about supporters' groups.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 24, 2005, 01:27:52 PM
Pity that Villa Fans Combined don't want one Supporters' Group.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 24, 2005, 02:11:12 PM
So getting back on topic, are any fans worried about Villa's future then?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: DaveK on October 24, 2005, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: "Tony"
So getting back on topic, are any fans worried about Villa's future then?


I am, a bit.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 24, 2005, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
I'd suggest that the Supporters' Trust chair would be the most appropriate person to ask this question of, rather than have it used as a potential point-scoring exercise on a topic unrelated to their activities.


There's been lot's of discussion of VFC and Trust views and so on, on here. Though I am not the spokesman for the VFC, I have tried to answer the questions about VFC.

LG asked, what to me seem reasonable questions about the trust. I have posted that the Trust (while I was a member) did things in a good way, but can't answer for how it works now. There are several Trust Execs, and former Execs who are regular users of this site, and who (quite fairly) have posted their views on VFC matters on this very thread.

It seems a shame if they are not prepared to be as open with information on the Organisation they represent, and which has been contrasted (by some of them) with the "secretive" VFC.

And following the line of your logic, Dave, wouldn't all comments regarding Jonathan's comments in the paper be better directed to the journalist and to Jonathan, than discussed on here?

Or is this a message board, where things can be discussed and information passed on?

Perhaps if no Trust Committee people are available or willing (delete as applicable) to provide the information, one of the members would be so kind as to put the info up?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2005, 04:36:08 PM
The Trust membership voted that all motions be supported, except for the ones regarding the re-election of Doug & Peter Ellis.

Unfortunately, the CEO of the Trust was unable at short notive to attend the AGM, and so some questions which he had wanted putting forward weren't asked. As far as I'm aware, no Trust member had asked for questions to be asked on their behalf, although members did ask questions as individuals.

So, while we're on the subject....

What's the current membership of the Shareholders Association? How many AGMs have they held in the past six years? How many elections of officers? When were their accounts last distributed to members? How much dialogue has there been between committee and members since the current chairman was elected? Bearing in mind the fuss that resulted from the Trust's forum in 2004, when will the SA chairman publish an account of the meeting which took place between him and Bruce Langham at the beginning of this year?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2005, 04:42:29 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Bearing in mind the fuss that resulted from the Trust's forum in 2004, when will the SA chairman publish an account of the meeting which took place between him and Bruce Langham at the beginning of this year?


Was that advertised as a meeting between the SA chair and BL, or was it an off the record meeting between two individuals?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 24, 2005, 04:46:38 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Bearing in mind the fuss that resulted from the Trust's forum in 2004, when will the SA chairman publish an account of the meeting which took place between him and Bruce Langham at the beginning of this year?


Was that advertised as a meeting between the SA chair and BL, or was it an off the record meeting between two individuals?


Or perhaps a top secret meeting that the Supreme Fans’ Chief regarded as being of no interest to the "riffraff"?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 24, 2005, 05:20:52 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Bearing in mind the fuss that resulted from the Trust's forum in 2004, when will the SA chairman publish an account of the meeting which took place between him and Bruce Langham at the beginning of this year?


..was it an off the record meeting between two individuals?


Got it in one Risso. BL invited JF to a private meeting.

Thanks for the info Dave.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2005, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"


Got it in one Risso. BL invited JF to a private meeting.



That unless I'm mistaken, Fear said would be made public. Anyway, remind me who it was who made the biggest fuss about the Trust not releasing details of the Langham forum immediately.

Anyone care to hazard a guess at answering the questions I asked?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 24, 2005, 05:42:39 PM
Am I correct in assuming that if members of the Trust become dissatisfied with the way the organisation is run they can vote to change matters/people?  

Are there similar arrangements for the greater body of Villa fans when it comes to the Supreme Commander of Allied Villa Fans Europe?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 24, 2005, 05:45:54 PM
As I'm not, nor ever have been, a member of the Trust, I can't (rather than won't) answer the questions about that body. But, can I assume Pete from your comments on the last couple of pages that you agree answers should be given to questions - particularly ones which don't attack individuals nor use the phrase "fans' chief" or similar?

Assuming you do, earlier you stated you are "not the VFC spokesperson". Who are the officials of VFC and what are their titles? I'll happily stand in line behind the SA questions.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 24, 2005, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "pete bland"


Got it in one Risso. BL invited JF to a private meeting.



That unless I'm mistaken, Fear said would be made public.


Not to my knowledge, he didn't.
Quote from: "JF"
he asked for an informal off the record chat and that was what I agreed to


As for the questions about the Trust forum and the fuss - I have no idea who it was. I do remember being bemused by it all. Is it important who made the "fuss"?

Regarding the SA I don't know the answers to the question(s)

Regarding Simon's question on VFC - There aren't any officials or titles. There aren't any members.
There has been a group of people, normal fans, who have, for want of a better word "led" things. The people involved in this "core", has, as you know, changed from Day 1 to today.

Of the original people from the first meeting you were at, Simon (I think),   It's perhaps only JF and Naz still involved, though I might be wrong as I wasn't "in" at the start. Other people who still talk and discuss what to do include(d), at various times, Nigel Ashford, myself, David Carson, Paul Barnes... Ideas have come from a hell of a lot of people e-mailing or talking to some or all of us. As I have explained before, there's no "membership cards" or list of supporters as such, though a fair old number of people have got in touch and someone somewhere has a list, I'm sure. Some people don't want to be named, perhaps too - maybe they work at the club, or are just shy.

We've always said if the support for what we're doing goes, we'll stop. And whilst there is a combination of views on here, from very supportive, through to sceptical, to downright hostile - plus a lot of questions and suggestions, the overall response in the wider world has been good, and still is.

Jon and to a lesser extent Naz have done the "spokesman" role, as you'll have spotted. Various PRs have been, though, jointly drafted and finalised etc. Sometimes they have been less than perfect and one was contentious, to some people because it said Terry Weir RIP on the bottom. Personally speaking, I accept that it caused some people offence and /or anger and I understand some of the anger, though not all of the comments that were made. I know that the comment was not meant in any way to insult the memory of Terry Weir, or to upset his family. I am genuinely sorry if it did upset them. It's a hard call to know whether to "ask permission" (if such a thing is needed) to write (for example) "Pete Bland RIP" on a document, or (heaven forbid) in a Newspaper obit, or wherever, or just to simply go ahead. The person who added it, genuinely felt sorrow at his passing and wanted to express that, simply. Would asking permission have been an intrusion? It's not an easy protocol. I know that about 3 people, all largely against VFC (co-incidentally I'm sure), expressed anger at what was written - feeling that it was inappropriate to put Terry's name on the Red Card which was "political" Others probably felt the same, but held off from saying so. Others felt quite the opposite.

The way I look at it is that Villa supporters to a man and woman, were sorry at Terry's passing away, whatever their views on other matters surrounding their club. I don't see that adding a simple RIP message to the bottom of the cards was "an offence". At worst it was a heartfelt statement clumsily given. It certainly wasn't worthy of some of the abuse recieved. But that's a minor matter.

I won't discuss it further, but wanted to explain, at least the rationale behind it. Ian Robinson raised the matter, and apologise if I shouldn't have mentioned it. After thinking long and hard about replying to his revelation regarding his private correspondence with JF (several pages ago) decided I should perhaps write [edit] the bit above[/edit].

"Let he who hasn't made a mistake cast the first stone"
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 24, 2005, 08:33:57 PM
When I asked based on a VFC PR...

Quote from: "Simon Page"

Quote
VFC (Villa Fans Combined)
VFC is an umbrella group that includes independent websites such as Holteenders.com (Mike Field), VillaTalk.com (Peter Bosworth and John Cresswell), astonished etc, Navid Nazir of Avisa, The Aston Villa Shareholders Association, Jonathan Fear and a long list of supporters from all sections of the Villa community.


Is it still the case?


...you said the list was largely correct. Is it still bearing in mind the names in your last post?

Pete, as I've said before, of those I've met I like the people involved in VFC, have no gripe over "fan's chief" nor a conflict of interests. I do though find it amazing that Villa fans have such a struggle to get info about VFC. It comes across as a group which only communicates via press release.

Oh, and do you have spies within the politburo ("maybe they work at the club").
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 24, 2005, 11:10:28 PM
Re the list you quoted - the SA, the Websites, Naz, JF, and a long list of supporters - yeah, I'd say so.

It's not "organised" democratic, it's informally so. Point taken about getting info. Especially if you largely or only post or read on here.

For right or wrong, for us, it's never been about who "we" are, only about the message. Call us foolish, niaive, whatever, but we basically felt that the Club (Ellis) was putting across an unrealistic slant (being polite) on things, felt this wasn't correct, and wanted to try and focus on how things really are. And of course felt that Ellis was rather more in it for himself than for the club etc (see the VFC website for the whole gist of it) to the detriment of the club.

I understand that some folk desire every last detail of who are they?, are they suspiscious ne'er do wells, but we maybe again niaively, felt that, well we go down the matches, have for years, are shareholders, season tiocket holders, and we don't think the club is run as well as it could or should be, that Ellis is to blame (simplistically, as I have to go in a mo') and a change is needed. No-one else has put that case publically, we feel a LOT of fans also hold that viewpoint, let's see where we go.

I guess that was true at the start, too- as I said I wasn't "in" at the start.

Pretty much I personally suspect that whatever little we have or haven't achieved is done and dusted - we now have people interested in the club, Ellis (possibly) looking to sell, or even if not, he's not so well, the old chap. So largely VFC could be soon a tiny footnote.

I might be wrong, mind. And while people still by and large share the desire for a change of ethos and approach to the way the club is currently run, and while the incumbents still remain, we'll be around, I guess.

Despite many accusations to the contrary, it's not personal against Ellis. It's about the club we support and its future.

It's not all Ellis's fault, in my opinion, but a hell of a lot of where we are right now, is ultimately down to him, the bad and the good and the mostly mediocre.

Lastly a retort to the VFC - ego mad as bad as Ellis - accusations. Jonathan has I feel been very harshly on the end of much of it. He's the one, with Naz too, who has in the nicest sense, left his "ordinary world" to front up to reporters, TV and radio, at his own expense to give the message. It's have been a lot easier for him to have remained the anonymous, nice bloke, his friends and family know him as, and I'm sure he'd have prefered that in many ways. People who know him will know why, too. But he sacrificed time, money and effort to stand up for what he believed.

For a bunch of attention seekers and ego-ists we are so often accused of being, we're awfully, well, unknown - as proven by the "we don't know who they are" comments.

It's not, and never has been, about "us" but about the club. We are staggeringly normal people, who have in varying degrees just declined to silently accept what is placed before us.

All of the above is a personal view.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 25, 2005, 12:03:11 AM
Quote from: "pete bland"
Jonathan has I feel been very harshly on the end of much of it. He's the one, with Naz too, who has in the nicest sense, left his "ordinary world" to front up to reporters, TV and radio, at his own expense to give the message. It's have been a lot easier for him to have remained the anonymous, nice bloke, his friends and family know him as, and I'm sure he'd have prefered that in many ways. People who know him will know why, too. But he sacrificed time, money and effort to stand up for what he believed.



Is this the same St Jonathan who called this very board "out of control on bile and bitterness"?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Red Robbo on October 25, 2005, 12:06:22 AM
Night everyone
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 25, 2005, 01:09:47 PM
This thread’s slipped a bit down the page.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 25, 2005, 01:23:08 PM
I'd still argue that it was totally inappropriate and inconsiderate to put "Terry Weir RIP" on the front of the "red card" protest.  And if Jon Fear STILL doesn't see that, and thinks my comments at the time were petty/vindictive/point scoring then it shows that he's the wrong man to front the VFC. Or stand up to be some sort of representative for Villa fans.

His comments at the time, once again, are best summed up by "my way or the highway".  There wasn't a doubt in his mind that he could have been wrong.  Indeed Pete's comments above re-affirm this.  The criticism of this is dismissed as being from people with "an axe to grind"

If it's a difficult call to make as to whether you need to ask the man's family then surely, the logical call is NOT to do it?  Not take an attitude that looks like Terry's memory is a stick to beat Doug Ellis with.  

That was low.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2005, 01:28:51 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
I'd still argue that it was totally inappropriate and inconsiderate to put "Terry Weir RIP" on the front of the "red card" protest.


Whether you thought that the use of his name was in bad taste or not, a thread with the title "VFC - Very Fucking Crass" is hardly the way to debate it in my opinion.  It just smacked as an excuse to have another go at VFC, which to me is in pretty bad taste itself.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 25, 2005, 01:33:40 PM
I beg to differ Risso.

I thought that it summed up my feeling totally.  

(I was not the OP either)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 25, 2005, 01:39:05 PM
I'd also add that the RIP message deflected criticsm from the content and misleading quotes on the back.  It was a poorly thought out piece of paper that was distributed.   - Not  petty point scoring but my opinion.

I seem to recall that Doug's slip of the tongue "Nobody is less ambitious for Villa than I am" was the first point on the back.  Funny ha ha, but it was a slip he made it years ago.  Does anybody actually believe that's what he meant?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2005, 01:40:50 PM
What was worse Mac, a small tribute to Terry on a piece of card handed out to 1000's of fans, or the sight of Villa fans slagging each other off because of it, on a message board that his daughter had posted on that same week?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 25, 2005, 01:43:39 PM
Well if you didn't have the former, the latter wouldn't have occured.

As the former did, if we didn't have the latter then perhaps VFC had have thought that everybody thought it was hunky dory.

As I said - it appears that the VFC, even with hindsight, still don't think they did anything wrong.  And that's the really sad thing about all of this.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2005, 01:46:09 PM
Quote from: "Mac"

As I said - it appears that the VFC, even with hindsight, still don't think they did anything wrong.  And that's the really sad thing about all of this.


Who are YOU to say it's wrong?  I don't remember seeing anything from the family about it, and to be honest, they're the only opinions that count.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 25, 2005, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: "Risso"

Who are YOU to say it's wrong?  I don't remember seeing anything from the family about it, and to be honest, they're the only opinions that count.


So why weren't they consulted? And that's my only view on the matter.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 25, 2005, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Who are YOU to say it's wrong?  I don't remember seeing anything from the family about it, and to be honest, they're the only opinions that count.


A fan?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2005, 02:05:37 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"

So why weren't they consulted? And that's my only view on the matter.


I think Pete puts it best (as usual)
Quote

 I know that the comment was not meant in any way to insult the memory of Terry Weir, or to upset his family. I am genuinely sorry if it did upset them. It's a hard call to know whether to "ask permission" (if such a thing is needed) to write (for example) "Pete Bland RIP" on a document, or (heaven forbid) in a Newspaper obit, or wherever, or just to simply go ahead. The person who added it, genuinely felt sorrow at his passing and wanted to express that, simply. Would asking permission have been an intrusion? It's not an easy protocol.


I can see why some people would find it inappropriate, but I can't see that it justified the self righteous invective that followed it on here, with people pretending to be oh so outraged, when really, it was just another excuse to have a pop at VFC.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2005, 02:06:58 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "Risso"
Who are YOU to say it's wrong?  I don't remember seeing anything from the family about it, and to be honest, they're the only opinions that count.


A fan?


I can't see that that's really got much to do with it, in this instance.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 25, 2005, 02:07:01 PM
Maybe not on the card but i doubt anyone would've criticised if the tributewas in the press release before the boro game.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2005, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
Maybe not on the card but i doubt anyone would've criticised if the tributewas in the press release before the boro game.


Wanna bet?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 25, 2005, 02:14:39 PM
Can we please move this debate on from something which has been picked over endlessly, if only out of respect for the man? Thank you.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2005, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Can we please move this debate on from something which has been picked over endlessly, if only out of respect for the man? Thank you.


Agreed.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 25, 2005, 02:56:47 PM
Ooh, Dave said it best (as usual).  Suit you, sir!  

Actually, Risso says it best…













…when he says nothing at all.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2005, 03:01:07 PM
I'm bereft of ribs, ooh me sides, stitch me back up etc.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 25, 2005, 03:02:46 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
I'm bereft of ribs, ooh me sides, stitch me back up etc.


Bit of a George Michael fan, are we?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 25, 2005, 03:08:01 PM
The race to 50 begins....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2005, 03:09:11 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
The race to 50 begins....


Dave must be 50 if he's a day.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 25, 2005, 03:23:20 PM
Pete, ta for the reply. Not sure naive is the right word, but it is utterly unrealistic to start a campaign group which aims to publicise its message as widely as possible and hope for anonymity. It simply breeds suspicion.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 25, 2005, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
it is utterly unrealistic to start a campaign group which aims to publicise its message as widely as possible and hope for anonymity.


Not if they use the "psst, Ellis is rubbish pass it on..." method for disseminating their message it isn't.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 25, 2005, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
Pete, ta for the reply. Not sure naive is the right word, but it is utterly unrealistic to start a campaign group which aims to publicise its message as widely as possible and hope for anonymity. It simply breeds suspicion.


There are 2 answers to that. One is "well you started it"

The other, more seriously, I agree with you completely. But I don't think anyone has "hoped for anonymity" (unless perhaps they use various multiple pseudonyms on here, in which case they may well be on their way to achieving it, almost effortlessly).

As I said before it was just a case of putting the message before the individuals.

Is alchoholics anonymous a campaign group?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 25, 2005, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: "pete bland"
Is alchoholics anonymous a campaign group?


No.  It’s a support group.

The Portman Group is a campaigning organisation on alcohol issues.

Having said that, VFC Anonymous does have a certain ring to it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Red Robbo on October 25, 2005, 06:11:17 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Risso"

Who are YOU to say it's wrong?  I don't remember seeing anything from the family about it, and to be honest, they're the only opinions that count.


So why weren't they consulted? And that's my only view on the matter.


Why weren't they consulted?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 25, 2005, 07:23:55 PM
Quote from: "Red Robbo"
Why weren't they consulted?


Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Can we please move this debate on from something which has been picked over endlessly, if only out of respect for the man? Thank you.


Wise words.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Fergal on October 25, 2005, 07:26:51 PM
What was this thread about again ?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ianrobo on October 25, 2005, 07:28:26 PM
the antichrist ?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Red Robbo on October 25, 2005, 07:51:32 PM
Are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 26, 2005, 05:20:23 AM
As the posters close in Winters takes a look around the field and looks a place to sneak a quick single. Risso, bland, smith, et al have all sent down various deliveries to knock him, off his stride but he's defended studiously thus far. He comes another wicked turner.....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 26, 2005, 05:21:55 AM
played into the offside where VFC are huddled together it seems like no run there.....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 26, 2005, 05:24:23 AM
oh, but the VFC fielders all seem to be looking around at each other, pointing, surely some leadership is required....winters looks like he's setting off to take a cheeky 1 off them...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 26, 2005, 05:26:35 AM
he carries on .... surely VFC have noticed that no one else is paying attention...this could be the turning point
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 26, 2005, 05:29:56 AM
and there it is..he raises the key board high and proud... he reaches the half century whilst inner turmoil seems to be abound amongst the VFC field. However, it seems they are waving red cards at him and saying its the owners fault and not theirs....



its only a joke fellas....you're all asleep and its another slow work day in Islamabad.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 26, 2005, 10:11:12 AM
B U G G E R ! ! ! ! !
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 26, 2005, 10:36:02 AM
B O G N O R ! ! ! ! !
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 10:41:03 AM
BOLLOCKS!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 26, 2005, 10:45:22 AM
Brouhaha
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 10:48:14 AM
BOULABAISSE
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Barron on October 26, 2005, 10:49:09 AM
Bukakke
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 26, 2005, 10:52:41 AM
I like Bukkake. www2.b3ta.com/bukkake/
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 10:56:00 AM
Quote from: "Mac"
I like Bukkake. www2.b3ta.com/bukkake/

What does it mean? Is it African for shit?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 26, 2005, 10:57:59 AM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
Quote from: "Mac"
I like Bukkake. www2.b3ta.com/bukkake/

What does it mean? Is it African for shit?


its a little more interesting than that!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 26, 2005, 11:26:07 AM
What the h*ll was that all about?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: "Legion"
What the h*ll was that all about?


Boredom.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Barron on October 26, 2005, 12:39:06 PM
Quote from: "Drummond"
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
Quote from: "Mac"
I like Bukkake. www2.b3ta.com/bukkake/

What does it mean? Is it African for shit?


its a little more interesting than that!


Whatever you do don't do a google image search (at least not in the office)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: mary on October 26, 2005, 12:45:38 PM
Bump
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 26, 2005, 12:49:55 PM
grind
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 26, 2005, 12:56:04 PM
I note with interest that this thread's been diverted off topic so what’s really going on with this Supreme Commander Allied Villa Fans Europe, King of the Wild Frontier, Heir to the Holy Roman Empire, the Once and Future King, Tsar of All the Russias, King of Kings, Star of Stage, Screen and Emmerdale Farm (an extra c.1986), KGB, BCFC, CSE (Woodwork Grade 4) and Bar that VFC keep banging on about?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 12:57:41 PM
It would be nice if Jon Fear came on here to put his side across.
Any chance?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 26, 2005, 02:26:24 PM
By the way, as VFC seem so happy to have Laughing Gravity on board, is it worth asking whether they’re quite so keen on his well-documented views on the holocaust and homosexuality?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 26, 2005, 02:42:11 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
By the way, as VFC seem so happy to have Laughing Gravity on board, is it worth asking whether they’re quite so keen on his well-documented views on the holocaust and homosexuality?


Well he was never banned from here, so following that reasoning H&V were quite happy to have him "onboard" as well.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 02:43:46 PM
According to the rules personal attacks are a banning offence.

Moderators?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
According to the rules personal attacks are a banning offence.

Moderators?

I don't see anything wrong with Oscar/Stu's query, It's personal abuse that is not tolerated.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 26, 2005, 02:47:34 PM
Banning is in the hands of Admins only.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 02:47:56 PM
Quote
This is a forum for debate and discussion. It is not intended to allow personal attacks (be it on individuals, groups of individuals or other forums), rudeness, insulting posts or purposeless inflammatory posts.


There we go.

He should be banned.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 02:48:53 PM
There's one rule for some and another rule for others.

have the moderators got the bottle?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 26, 2005, 02:51:18 PM
I've missed old man Mooney

the daft Christian Fundamentalist
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 26, 2005, 02:51:19 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
Banning is in the hands of Admins only.


See above.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 02:51:39 PM
Thought so.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 26, 2005, 02:55:28 PM
Mark can ban people, although his title still says he's a moderator.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 26, 2005, 02:55:30 PM
How can I ban someone when I do not have the 'powers'? You really need to PM Mac giving reasons.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
There's one rule for some and another rule for others.

have the moderators got the bottle?

I certainly have.
I'll have to get that wording changed as I see no problem with asking questions regarding your opinions on the above subjects, when you used to post on here under another name.
Unfair?
Maybe John, but I'm a big fan of dictatorships, just like you!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 02:56:49 PM
No bottle.

Who's in with the in-crowd?

Pah.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:00:33 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
No bottle.

Who's in with the in-crowd?

Pah.

Yes, I'm such a weed.
We're not in the business of banning people at the drop of a hat.
The banned list includes a few BCFC variations and the name of another person who was banned for abuse.
Your 'no bottle' comments are drip-drip-dripping water off a duck's back.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 26, 2005, 03:01:29 PM
Some people might regard telling fibs and pretending you live in Stoke as banning offences.

By the way, the Russian Orthodox Church doesn’t really hold with circumcision.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:05:22 PM
They're your rules.

Some people are immune it seems.

I haven't told anyone my real identity in these threads, I am not John Mooney. I am a Russian from Stoke, Bristish Citizen since 1997. I have not revealed my views on the above mentioned subjects.

Oscar Goldman has personally attacked me and I demand satisfaction.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 26, 2005, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"


 I demand satisfaction.


self abuse is frowned upon by your God

you may very well go blind, Herr Mooney
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:09:27 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
I am not John Mooney. I am a Russian from Stoke

Bloody asylum seekers!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:10:03 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
I demand satisfaction.

And you're a Villa fan?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 26, 2005, 03:10:54 PM
I’m totally against bullying of any kind so will the mods please ask this strange man, who claims he’s been circumcised since 1997 by an organisation that doesn’t indulge in such practices, to stop picking on cousin Oscar.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:11:43 PM
Clique.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:15:14 PM
If Oscar isn't banned it will just confirm many peoples suspicions.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 26, 2005, 03:17:08 PM
My god your a petty little man aren't you.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 26, 2005, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
If Oscar isn't banned it will just confirm many peoples suspicions.


Are you picking on Oscar because you think he’s gay or because Goldman’s a Jewish name?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:18:32 PM
Quote
My god your a petty little man aren't you.


Aye.

Not as petty as some though.

Well, do I get satisfaction?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 03:19:12 PM
God preserve us from people who spend so much of their life on the internet that they lose all sense of reality.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:20:50 PM
I'm just pointing out your own rules.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:21:35 PM
What's the betting I get banned?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Well, do I get satisfaction?

Depends what you're asking for, you cheeky monkey!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:23:42 PM
I'm not a cliquey monkey!

Its the others.

Are you going to abide by your own rules?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:24:03 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
What's the betting I get banned?

Only if you start geting abusive.
Being annoying is not a banning offence.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 03:24:09 PM
Why get so wound up about the internet when there's so many other things happening in the world that are much more worthy of concern? The continued global Zionist conspiracy and the insiduous spread of homosexuality by brainwashing, for example.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:25:25 PM
Come on John.
Let me take you up the wrong 'un.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:26:39 PM
OK, I'm obviously wasting my breath.

The clique has closed ranks again.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 26, 2005, 03:27:29 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
What's the betting I get banned?


Why do you fancy a flutter?   :-k
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 26, 2005, 03:28:03 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
OK, I'm obviously wasting my breath.


Every minute of your life, probably.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
OK, I'm obviously wasting my breath.

The clique has closed ranks again.


You know you want it.
I promise not to drip-drip-drip on your back.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 26, 2005, 03:28:41 PM
Mooney must be suffering from a crisis of faith

maybe it's all those bunmers in the catholic church, with their drip drip methods of indoctrination?

or maybe he's come to his senses and is no longer a holocaust denier

stranger things have happened
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:28:54 PM
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Every minute of your life, probably.


Moderator?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 26, 2005, 03:29:14 PM
My Inbox is about to implode....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 26, 2005, 03:29:47 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Every minute of your life, probably.


Moderator?


Doctor?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:30:25 PM
Thought so.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 26, 2005, 03:30:37 PM
Any chance of everyone calming it a bit?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:30:42 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
My Inbox is about to implode....

As is John's.
He wants me.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 26, 2005, 03:31:52 PM
Quote from: "usav"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Every minute of your life, probably.


Moderator?


Doctor?


Maaatron!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 26, 2005, 03:32:10 PM
Guess who just got back today?
Those wild-eyed boys that had been away
Haven’t changed, haven’t much to say
But man, I still think those cats are great

They were asking if you were around
How you was, where you could be found
I told them you were living downtown
Driving all the old men crazy

The boys are back in town

You know the chick that used to dance a lot
Every night she’d be on the floor shaking what she’d got
Man when I tell you she was cool, she was red hot
I mean she was steaming

That night over at johnny’s place
Well this chick got up and she slapped johnny’s face
Man we just fell about the place
If that chick don’t want to know, forget her

Friday night they’ll be dressed to kill
Down at dino’s bar and grill
The drink will flow and blood will spill
If the boys want to fight, you’d better let them

That jukebox in the corner blasting out my favorite song
The nights are getting warmer, it won’t be long
It won’t be long till summer comes
Now that the boys are here again

The boys are back in town
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 03:32:28 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
Any chance of everyone calming it a bit?


Wouldn't have thought so, but you can never tell.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:32:47 PM
How many Cliquey Dee records do you all own?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 26, 2005, 03:33:20 PM
Perhaps he should have left the whiskey in the jar.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:34:04 PM
Are you still here? I thought you might have been banned by now.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:34:18 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
How many Cliquey Dee records do you all own?

That's crap!
'Cliquey' sounds nothing like 'Kiki'
Must try harder!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 26, 2005, 03:34:56 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
This is a forum for debate and discussion. It is not intended to allow personal attacks (be it on individuals, groups of individuals or other forums), rudeness, insulting posts or purposeless inflammatory posts.


There we go.

He should be banned.


Sorry to look like a complete eejit but where are these comments?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 26, 2005, 03:35:42 PM
Altogether now:

CHORUS:
Germany was having trouble
What a sad, sad story
Needed a new leader to restore
Its former glory
Where, oh, where was he?
Where could that man be?
We looked around and then we found
The man for you and me
LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
And now it's...
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Deutschland is happy and gay!
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Rhineland's a fine land once more!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Watch out, Europe
We're going on tour!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany...
CHORUS:
Look, it's springtime
LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
Winter for Poland and France
CHORUS AND STORMTROOPER:
Springtime for Hitler and Germany!
CHORUS:
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
STORMTROOPER:
Come on, Germans
Go into your dance!
STORMTROOPER "ROLF":
I was born in Dusseldorf und that is why they call me Rolf.
STORMTROOPER "MEL":
Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the Nazi party!
ULLA:
The Fuhrer is coming, the Fuhrer is coming, the Fuhrer is coming!
STORMTROOPER #1:
Heil Hitler!
STORMTROOPER #2:
Heil Hitler!
LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
Heil Hitler!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
ALL:
Heil Hitler!
ROGER:
Heil myself
Heil to me
I'm the kraut
Who's out to change our history
Heil myself
Raise your hand
There's no greater
Dictator in the land!
Everything I do, I do for you!
CHORUS:
Yes, you do!
ROGER:
If you're looking for a war, here's World War Two!
Heil myself
Raise your beer
CHORUS:
Jawohl!
ROGER:
Ev'ry hotsy-totsy Nazi stand and cheer
CHORUS:
Hooray!
Ev'ry hotsy-totsy Nazi...
ROGER:
Heil myself!
CHORUS:
Ev'ry hotsy-totsy Nazi...
ROGER:
Heil myself!
CHORUS:
Ev'ry hotsy-totsy Nazi...
ROGER:
...stand and cheer!
THE HEIL-LOs:
The Fuhrer is causing a furor!
He's got those Russians on the run
You gotta love that wacky hun!
The Fuhrer is causing a furor
They can't say "no" to his demands
They're freaking out in foreign lands
He's got the whole world in his hands
The Fuhrer is causing a furor!
ROGER:
I was just a paper hanger
No one more obscurer
Got a phone call from the Reichstag
Told me I was Fuhrer
Germany was blue
What, oh, what to do?
Hitched up my pants
And conquered France
Now Deutschland's smiling through!
But it wasn't always so easy...
It was 1932. Hindenburg was working the Big Room and I...
I was playing the lounge. And then I got my big break.
Somebody burned down the Reichstag. And, would you believe it?
They made me Chancellor. Chancellor!
It ain't no myst'ry
If it's politics or hist'ry
The thing you gotta know is
Ev'rything is show biz
Heil myself
Watch my show
I'm the German Ethel Merman
Dontcha know
We are crossing borders
The new world order is here
Make a great big smile
Ev'ryone sieg heil to me
Wonderful me!
And now it's...
CHORUS:
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Goose-step's the new step today


ROGER:
Springtime!
Goose-steps!
CHORUS MEN:
Bombs falling from the skies again
CHORUS:
Deutschland is on the rise again
ROGER & CHORUS:
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
U-boats are sailing once more
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
ROGER:
Means that...
CHORUS:
Soon we'll be going...
ROGER:
We've got to be going...
CHORUS:
You know we'll be going....
ROGER:
You bet we'll be going...
ROGER & CHORUS:
You know we'll be going to war!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 26, 2005, 03:35:55 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
How many Cliquey Dee records do you all own?


You wouldn't know who we were talking about if we told you though would you?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 03:36:23 PM
We're moving through the fifties rapidly. Maybe Peter will get the century up as well.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:37:12 PM
I think Chico should be banned for a personal attack.

Thanks.

They are your rules.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:38:35 PM
dancing) I'm having so much love
(dancing) too bad my back had gone
(dancing) boogie down with Fletch now
I'd give my house in the country
If you'd slept it's so funky
(music) I'm dancing in the street
(ooh music) I've torn the shoes from my feet
(romancing) it's got me dirty and sweet
It's got you reeling and rocking
Won't you let the slender thing in
(rolling) I think it's all I can do
(rolling) just got me feeling you too
(rolling) get a little take a little
Get a little back
Jumping john the great goose is gone
Got a lion in my hand
Got a charlie on my back
(john) I'm only dancing
(she turns me on) I'm only dancing
(she turns me on) oh get you with me
(don't get me wrong) ah ha ha ha ha
(I'm only dancing, oh ho hooo)
(I'm only dancing, oh ho hooo)
(dancing) have you heard the news
(dancing) president has got the blues
(dancing) I tell you comfortably
If he gives it to you
He'd better take it from me
(said sir) I pick up the bones
(said sir) leave the numbers alone
(said sir) get off your telephone
Look the people in the eye
Tell them my oh my
Let your backbone slide
Buddy whistle and cry
(john)
(she turns me on) la la la la
(don't get me wrong) hmm hm hm
(I'm only dancing, oh hooo)
(john) I'm only dancing
(she turns me on) ah ha ha I'm only dancing
(she turns me on) I lost my feel
(don't get me wrong) I'm off on my way
(I'm only dancing, oh hooo) please dance with me
(I'm only dancing) please dance with me
(I'm only dancing, oh hooo)
(dancing, dancing, dancing, woh woh woh)
(dancing, dancing, dancing, woh woh woh)
(dancing, dancing, dancing, woh woh woh)
(dancing) I'm only (dancing) I'm only (dancing) I'm only (woh woh woh)
(dancing) I'm only (dancing) I'm only (dancing) I'm only (woh woh woh)
Can see no care
Lost my fear
Traped charlie dance on
(woh woh woh)
(woh woh woh)
He, he, he, he, he, he, he, cos
(woh woh woh)
Got white light
Got black light
Got white light
Lay you dance on
(woh woh woh)
I'm only, I'm only, I'm only
(woh woh woh)
I got, I got
(woh woh woh)
(woh woh woh)
(dancing) he
(dancing) he
(dancing) he
(woh woh woh) lay you dance on
(dancing) lay you dance on
(dancing) lay you dance on, hey
(woh woh woh)
(dancing)
(dancing)
(dancing)
(woh woh woh) gotta give me know
(dancing) gotta give me know
(dancing) gotta give me know
(dancing)
(woh woh woh)
(dancing) he he
(dancing) he he
(dancing)
(woh woh woh)
Lockit fine
Makin' it mine
Lockit fine
Makin' it mine
Lockit fine
Making it
(I'm only dancing mm mm)
(I'm only dancing, dancing, I'm only dancing, mm mm)
(I'm only dancing, dancing, I'm only dancing, mm mm)
(I'm only dancing, dancing, I'm only dancing, mm mm)
(I'm only dancing hey ya, dancing, hey, I'm dancing, mm mm)
Yes I am
(I'm only dancing, hey I'm dancing, hey dancing, mm mm)
(oh, I'm only dancing, oh, I'm only dancing, I'm only dancing mm mm)
Oh my baby
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 03:38:44 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
I think Chico should be banned for a personal attack.

Thanks.

They are your rules.


Ah, but we're in a state of anarchy now.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:40:33 PM
Hang on.
So far you want me to ban:-
Disco Stu
Oscar
Harpo, Groucho, Chico
Usa.
Any others?
That Mac bloke's been asking for it as well.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:40:34 PM
Depends whos broke the rules doesn't it.

You're looking a bit silly.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 26, 2005, 03:40:42 PM
I think I'm in a parallel universe.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 26, 2005, 03:40:47 PM
I hate to drag this thread back to seriousness but has anyone considered that the Gay Mafia might holding Laughing’s wife and kids and forcing him to post this nonsense on here?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 26, 2005, 03:41:32 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Depends whos broke the rules doesn't it.

You're looking a bit silly.



Who's looking silly? :-s
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:41:46 PM
Quote
Any others?


No so far in this thread. Woodhall is borderline.

But you won't do it anyway.

Not to the Bartons crowd.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 26, 2005, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Depends whos broke the rules doesn't it.

You're looking a bit silly.


We are looking silly?

Bawahhaaaaaaaa!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 26, 2005, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
I think Chico should be banned for a personal attack.

Thanks.

They are your rules.



Chico vill be shot unt buggered at dawn, Herr Mooney

I aint attacking Larfin' Gravity, I'm attacking John Mooney.......who isn't here
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Depends whos broke the rules doesn't it.

You're looking a bit silly.


Is there any point in asking why and hoping for an answer that doesn't encompass 4,000 years of conspiracy theory?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 26, 2005, 03:43:09 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
I think Chico should be banned for a personal attack.

Thanks.

They are your rules.


Who did he personally attack?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 26, 2005, 03:43:36 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Any others?


No so far in this thread. Woodhall is borderline.

But you won't do it anyway.

Not to the Bartons crowd.


I don't frequent The Barton's.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 26, 2005, 03:43:57 PM
I think everyone's starting to look a little silly.....

Now that's a universal attack, surely that's gotta be worth a banning?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 26, 2005, 03:44:06 PM
By the way, Laughing, are you officially representing VFC on this thread?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"


But you won't do it anyway.

Not to the Bartons crowd.


How does USAV get to the Barton's from Virginia?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:44:20 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
I think Chico should be banned for a personal attack.

Thanks.

They are your rules.


Who did he personally attack?

Chico brandished a Star of David at him.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 26, 2005, 03:44:31 PM
When we've done all the banning can we all meet up and burn some books?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 26, 2005, 03:45:19 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"


But you won't do it anyway.

Not to the Bartons crowd.


How does USAV get to the Barton's from Virginia?


Is it on the 11 route?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:45:31 PM
We just need Old man Box to join in and we'll be up to 200 pages.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:45:33 PM
A lot of the exiles know exactly what I'm talking about.

Carry on Cliquing.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 03:45:47 PM
Quote from: "Legion"


I don't frequent The Barton's.


He hasn't asked for you to be banned. Of course, if he knew that you once ate a salt beef bagel, he might have a different view.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:46:26 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Carry on Cliquing.

Is that the one where Jack Warner goes 'Phhhwwwwoooooarrr'?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
A lot of the exiles know exactly what I'm talking about.

Carry on Cliquing.


There are no exiles. Everyone loves us.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 26, 2005, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
A lot of the exiles know exactly what I'm talking about.

Carry on Cliquing.


Maaaaaaaaaaaaatron!!!!!!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 26, 2005, 03:47:28 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
A lot of the exiles know exactly what I'm talking about.

Carry on Cliquing.


Exodus: movement of jah people! oh-oh-oh, yea-eah!
.......
Men and people will fight ya down (tell me why!)
When ya see jah light. (ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!)
Let me tell you if you’re not wrong; (then, why? )
Everything is all right.
So we gonna walk - all right! - through de roads of creation:
We the generation (tell me why!)
(trod through great tribulation) trod through great tribulation.

Exodus, all right! movement of jah people!
Oh, yeah! o-oo, yeah! all right!
Exodus: movement of jah people! oh, yeah!

Yeah-yeah-yeah, well!
Uh! open your eyes and look within:
Are you satisfied (with the life you’re living)? uh!
We know where we’re going, uh!
We know where we’re from.
We’re leaving babylon,
We’re going to our father land.

2, 3, 4: exodus: movement of jah people! oh, yeah!
(movement of jah people!) send us another brother moses!
(movement of jah people!) from across the red sea!
(movement of jah people!) send us another brother moses!
(movement of jah people!) from across the red sea!
Movement of jah people!

Exodus, all right! oo-oo-ooh! oo-ooh!
Movement of jah people! oh, yeah!
Exodus!
Exodus! all right!
Exodus! now, now, now, now!
Exodus!
Exodus! oh, yea-ea-ea-ea-ea-ea-eah!
Exodus!
Exodus! all right!
Exodus! uh-uh-uh-uh!

Move! move! move! move! move! move!

Open your eyes and look within:
Are you satisfied with the life you’re living?
We know where we’re going;
We know where we’re from.
We’re leaving babylon, y’all!
We’re going to our father’s land.

Exodus, all right! movement of jah people!
Exodus: movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!

Move! move! move! move! move! move! move!

Jah come to break downpression,
Rule equality,
Wipe away transgression,
Set the captives free.

Exodus, all right, all right!
Movement of jah people! oh, yeah!
Exodus: movement of jah people! oh, now, now, now, now!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!

Move! move! move! move! move! move! uh-uh-uh-uh!
Move(ment of jah people)!
Move(ment of jah people)!
Move(ment of jah people)!
Move(ment of jah people)! movement of jah people!
Move(ment of jah people)!
Move(ment of jah people)!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Movement of jah people!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 26, 2005, 03:49:18 PM
Can't help but thinking that LG wants to be banned so he can wear it as a badge of honour round Villatalk. [-X
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:49:31 PM
Hurry up with the replies John.
Or are you tied to a tree?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 26, 2005, 03:50:26 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"


How does USAV get to the Barton's from Virginia?


By the trail of the lonesome pine.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 26, 2005, 03:50:40 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
A lot of the exiles know exactly what I'm talking about.

.


you and yer clique of Nazi exiles?

There's Mooney, Mengele...........
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 26, 2005, 03:51:11 PM
Quote
Can't help but thinking that LG wants to be banned so he can wear it as a badge of honour round Villatalk.


I thought he was happy over there.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 03:52:09 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Can't help but thinking that LG wants to be banned so he can wear it as a badge of honour round Villatalk. [-X

To get this honour John, you must refer to one or all of us as a
Dicksplash
Fanny batter brain
Joey
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 03:54:42 PM
Now that my umbilical cord to this site has been severed I just thought I'd ask why it's OK for some people to do personal attacks and get away with it and not others.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 26, 2005, 03:54:56 PM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
Hurry up with the replies John.


Give the guy a chance.  

He’s running the entire Odessa Organisation on his own with only part-time clerical support from Grandma Jean’s mother-in-law.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 26, 2005, 04:00:24 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"


But you won't do it anyway.

Not to the Bartons crowd.


How does USAV get to the Barton's from Virginia?


Is it on the 11 route?


It was, bloody cut-backs forced them to re-route.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 26, 2005, 04:00:50 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Now that my umbilical cord to this site has been severed I just thought I'd ask why it's OK for some people to do personal attacks and get away with it and not others.


Believe it or not, despite what some people may say, we don't ban people or lock and delete threads at the drop of a hat.

There's banter and there's abuse.

I suspect you know exactly what you were on the receiving end of originally but kept pushing and pushing.

And on a personal note, I find people calling for other people to be banned as objectionable as footballers waving an imaginary card at refs when trying to get other players booked.

If people have issues take it up with me off list.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 04:02:10 PM
If the moderators did the same job on their mates as on other people then it wouldn't be a problem.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 26, 2005, 04:03:08 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
If the moderators did the same job on their mates as on other people then it wouldn't be a problem.


Ian Robinson has been on the end of a ban.

Find where I've banned somebody else.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 26, 2005, 04:04:06 PM
Quote from: "Mac"

And on a personal note, I find people calling for other people to be banned as objectionable as footballers waving an imaginary card at refs when trying to get other players booked.

If people have issues take it up with me off list.


Good point, bloody annoying that is.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 26, 2005, 04:04:31 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
If the moderators did the same job on their mates as on other people then it wouldn't be a problem.


Just for the record, I hate all the moderators and I’m considering getting the Gay Mafia to put out a contract on them all.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 26, 2005, 04:06:17 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Just for the record, I hate all the moderators and I’m considering getting the Gay Mafia to put out a contract on them all.

Pink bullets ahoy!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 26, 2005, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
If the moderators did the same job on their mates as on other people then it wouldn't be a problem.


I'm interested in this.

Which moderators, which mates and which other people?

What happened to them that hasn't happened here?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 04:49:12 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Now that my umbilical cord to this site has been severed I just thought I'd ask why it's OK for some people to do personal attacks and get away with it and not others.


Because we can. So there with knobs on.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: richardhubbard on October 26, 2005, 05:38:43 PM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
If the moderators did the same job on their mates as on other people then it wouldn't be a problem.


Laughing for one like myself, who is not in the clique, in the in crowd or goes the Barton

Woodhall is a sound geezer who knows his stuff on villa. Mac is fair, and if you pm you will get a fair response. Legion HATES the idea of banning anyone, Fletcher I dont know, but always comes across as reasonable. Stop being a key board warrior and get a life or go somewhere else
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 26, 2005, 05:42:13 PM
is this guy the reformation of John Mooney or not?!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 26, 2005, 05:56:22 PM
Well bugger me (not literally thanks) what fun I missed this afternoon! Bloody meetings.

Can I do some stone throwing too?

 :smt044  just imagine he has a little yellow card in his hand!!!


Now you bullies, stop picking on the weedy one in the corner, just because you are bigger.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: "richardhubbard"
Mac is fair


It's just too, too easy.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 26, 2005, 09:11:44 PM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
is this guy the reformation of John Mooney or not?!


I doubt whether Mooney is in favour of the Reformation but then again, he’s one of the few people who does expect (no, demands) the Spanish Inquisition.

By the way, it’s rather noticeable that Laughing Stock seems to have become a bit of an embarrassment to the VFC types.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Matt G on October 26, 2005, 09:20:06 PM
Laughing Gravity, you are a perfect example of why the internet is such a bad thing on occasions.  It gives people a platform to believe their views are far more important and interesting than they actually are.  Entertaining thread though  :smt002
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 11:19:43 PM
Personal attacks are a banning offence.

Hypocrites.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 11:21:06 PM
That's us. Now run along back to your friends and you can all tell each other what big bad people we are.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 26, 2005, 11:21:46 PM
I think they already know.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 26, 2005, 11:27:10 PM
And I, for one, am greatly upset.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 26, 2005, 11:36:32 PM
Well, I'm sure they'll be very pleased that all your prejudices and suspicions have been wholly confirmed and that people here are bastards, just as you expected our Russian friend.... :-
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 26, 2005, 11:40:43 PM
Are there pixies and fairys at the bottom of the garden?  O:)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 27, 2005, 04:07:56 AM
Hasn't been troubled by the activities of this field


Laughing Gravity has been bowling some googlies but they have been easily flat batted


Winters to face again.....


another no ball from VFC but Winters gets to the pitch of the ball and neatly tucks it off his pads....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 27, 2005, 04:09:22 AM
No run there.....



wait wait...Laughing Gravity is a big gay girl with pony tails and is putting his lipstick and mascara on instead of paying attention....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 27, 2005, 04:12:56 AM
The rest of the VFC field wave their red cards frantically at him....


'RIP the holocuast victims' showing, surely this will get Laughing to keep his eye on the ball....



but he appears to have missed it....


his dress had got snagged under his stilettos as he gets chased by Duncan Norvelle.


In the confusion Winters completes a run...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 27, 2005, 04:15:55 AM
Laughing gravity falls flat on his face


he tries to regain some sort of integrity and hu,ility but its far too lae..

Not only on the batting team laughing,his VFC teammates have decided its no longer Ellis out but Laughing Gravity for spokesman....


Coco the clown gravity asks for confirmation that his bufoonary has cost his team a run

they say he has. He says the umpire clique are killing his faith in the beautiful game. The Jewery Convention of umpires will buy it come the revolution, he says
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 27, 2005, 04:20:44 AM
Winters stays cool. He's after his hundred.

59 not out.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 27, 2005, 04:22:43 AM
ffs
 this is the hardest run ever
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 09:01:20 AM
No matter who you think I am, Laughing Gravity has asked some serious questions which ruffled feathers, didn't get answers and upset the clique. The cliques response is to turn to personal attacks rather than address the questions.

A familiar H & V track trodden by many many people in the past.

You lost so many good posters because you were unable to control certain people.

I have put a mirror up to your faces.

-------------

Laughing Gravity would like to apologise for the comments about Disco Stu's hair and ears. He was only being helpful but on reflection didn't realise how sensitive Disco is about this when he asked for the thread to be locked. Some people can dish it out but not take it seems. laughing Gravity didn't think the comments were quite in the "go boil your head" or "starved of oxygen at birth" (none of which are personal attacks that break site rules of course) category but is sorry all the same.

(Sellotape is good for sticky out ears. And of course there are wigs for bad hair) just friendly advice, not a personal attack, you'll thank me one day.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 27, 2005, 09:13:23 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
No matter who you think I am, Laughing Gravity has asked some serious questions which ruffled feathers, didn't get answers and upset the clique. The cliques response is to turn to personal attacks rather than address the questions.

A familiar H & V track trodden by many many people in the past.

You lost so many good posters because you were unable to control certain people.

I have put a mirror up to your faces.

-------------

Laughing Gravity would like to apologise for the comments about Disco Stu's hair and ears. He was only being helpful but on reflection didn't realise how sensitive Disco is about this when he asked for the thread to be locked. Some people can dish it out but not take it seems. laughing Gravity didn't think the comments were quite in the "go boil your head" or "starved of oxygen at birth" (none of which are personal attacks that break site rules of course) category but is sorry all the same.

(Sellotape is good for sticky out ears. And of course there are wigs for bad hair) just friendly advice, not a personal attack, you'll thank me one day.



Eh? As for your first point...I asked questions regarding VFC possibly having to change tactics as the current one wasn't working. I asked about campaign direction. I asked about a campaign coordinater. I asked whether VFC could see that they had lost support of many Villa fans who initially welcomed them because of a failure to address that maybe, just maybe, their current campaign had run its course. None of these- which are more related to the topic in question- received a reply. Your question was simply a 'My dad is bigger than your dad' type question. Quite frankly the issue isn't about how many members are in the ST. VFC do not have a lot of support on here. Surely they should look at why Villa they are alienating Villa fans. The success of any pressure group is dependent on them having a groundswell of support from those they seek to represent. They haven't got it. Instead of facing up to this, accepting this, learning from this, trying to look inwards and trying to see how they can move VFC forward -and maybe be a real Villa Fans COMBINED- we get you going loopy.


As for the rest of what you are typing. You've been told to put your issues in a PM to Mac( I think) then it will be addressed. If you don't want to do that, but wish to be a martyr thats up to you. You may be right in what you say, but frankly you're going about it the same way VFC are going about there's. Saying the same thing over and over amd frankly its getting boring. If you believe you have a case PM Mac. Simple.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 09:15:57 AM
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You lost so many good posters because you were unable to control certain people.


If that's what you want from a discussion board then you've found your spiritual home at the place where yellow cards appear to be sprinkled about like confetti.

As I said it is only a discussion board Mr "Always Right" and the lack of overt control is part of why I enjoy posting here.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 09:17:47 AM
Quote
Quite frankly the issue isn't about how many members are in the ST.


But it is. It's about the people here (ST) and people there (VFC). Its an ego thing.

Sit down Peter and just wait for page 100.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 09:20:49 AM
Quote
and the lack of overt control is part of why I enjoy posting here.


Depends if you're "in" or "out".
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 27, 2005, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Quite frankly the issue isn't about how many members are in the ST.


But it is. It's about the people here (ST) and people there (VFC). Its an ego thing.

Sit down Peter and just wait for page 100.


It quite obviously isn't. Your talking about ego's and you're the one constantly banging his own drum. The question about numbers was raised because some people arwe not happy about a small group of people happily allowing themselves to be misrepresented as the voice of Villa fans. The issue is about how our football club is run,how the fans want to take that forward, and, yes, there are differing opinions. LG you are the only one who refuses to put your points in a PM as requested and are sulikng. If thats the way you want to go then fair enough. But you won't get a reasoned response until you are reasonable yourself.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 27, 2005, 09:24:51 AM
Quote
Depends if you're "in" or "out".


Does it?

I don't consider myself "in" anything, and I've never been the subject of "overt control"
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 09:26:52 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
and the lack of overt control is part of why I enjoy posting here.


Depends if you're "in" or "out".


Finished with my woman ’cause she couldn’t help me with my mind
People think I’m insane because I am frowning all the time
All day long I think of things but nothing seems to satisfy
Think I’ll lose my mind if I don’t find something to pacify

Can you help me thought you were my friend
Whoah yeah

I need someone to show me the things in life that I can’t find
I can’t see the things that make true happiness, I must be blind

Make a joke and I will sigh and you will laugh and I will cry
Happiness I cannot feel and love to me is so unreal

And so as you hear these words telling you now of my state
I tell you to enjoy life I wish I could but it’s too late
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ColinMac on October 27, 2005, 09:28:38 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
and the lack of overt control is part of why I enjoy posting here.


Depends if you're "in" or "out".


Same could be said of somewhere else, i dared to go against the party line somewhere else and the site owner famously said "if you dont like it then fuck off".

Be careful with your new friends.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 09:30:29 AM
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The question about numbers was raised because some people arwe not happy about a small group of people happily allowing themselves to be misrepresented as the voice of Villa fans.


Just like the Trust, and that is the point.

Sit down only 30 pages to go.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 09:31:33 AM
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I don't consider myself "in" anything


try disagreeing with the clique for any length of time. You'll find out.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 09:33:09 AM
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The question about numbers was raised because some people arwe not happy about a small group of people happily allowing themselves to be misrepresented as the voice of Villa fans


Sorry, I'm not letting that pass as "fact."  Jon and others have never claimed to be "fans' chief" or "the voice of Villa fans" despite what people on here try to say.  If anybody's stupid enough to believe that one person can speak for the entire body of a team's fans, well that's their look out.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 09:34:46 AM
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LG you are the only one who refuses to put your points in a PM as requested and are sulikng. If thats the way you want to go then fair enough. But you won't get a reasoned response until you are reasonable yourself.


is that right?

I'm the one suffering the personal attacks (except for perhaps the ears and hair comments but they were just friendly advice and I apologised and now realise how senstive a subject it is).

I have been entirely reasonable throughout  this debate.

Others have chosen to turn it into something personal because they don't like what I was saying.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 27, 2005, 09:35:58 AM
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try disagreeing with the clique for any length of time. You'll find out.


Like who?

Who disagreed and paid the price?

Goodness, it's like 'The Godfather' round here....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 09:37:44 AM
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Who disagreed and paid the price?


The price is to be personally attacked until you give up wasting your breath.

This board has had lots of people how suffered that fate.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Harte on October 27, 2005, 09:39:38 AM
Yawn!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 09:39:38 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
I don't consider myself "in" anything


try disagreeing with the clique for any length of time. You'll find out.


Why what happens?

I've been arguing with just about everyone for months about the manager, and other than this chip that they've inserted in my brain very little has happened to me.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 27, 2005, 09:41:48 AM
You have made an accusation that you have been personally abused. A mod/admin person disagreed. You were then told what next to do if you wished to pursue it. You've chosen not to and instead want to go on and on about it. You've 'threatened' to go off to VillaTalk and yet you're back. So, as you're here you know the only way for to get what you want is to put whatever your problem in a PM. If you don't want to, stop going on about it.

Risso, my point about about Jon Fear was that some people ARE unhappy about the way VFc are seen as the voice of the fans. And, that they could categorically deny that they are not when questioned or represented in the media. Hence, they get annoyed.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 09:43:03 AM
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some people ARE unhappy about the way VFc are seen as the voice of the fans. And, that they could categorically deny that they are not when questioned or represented in the media.


Does the Trust make similar statements?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 09:45:36 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
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I don't consider myself "in" anything


try disagreeing with the clique for any length of time. You'll find out.


Yes, cos Risso & Pete Bland know all about not agreeing with the "clique" :roll:

And you didn't answer my question from yesterday either John.

I seem to recall not answering questions is something you've got very goot at yourself.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 09:47:04 AM
Actually they do and have received personal abuse for their pains. But they are strong enough to brush it off, not everyone has the stomach for it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 09:48:46 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Actually they do and have received personal abuse for their pains. But they are strong enough to brush it off, not everyone has the stomach for it.


Yeah, and Ian Robinson was banned for it too.  And i suggest you pm Risso if you want to know who had the final say as to whether Ian was let back on.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 09:50:24 AM
So you know I PM Risso?

Umm.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 09:52:00 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Actually they do and have received personal abuse for their pains. But they are strong enough to brush it off, not everyone has the stomach for it.


It must have really upset Risso, whatever it was, becase it's limited him to just the 3224 posts.

There are the occasional spats and fallings out but most of us are grown up enough to dust ourselves down and get on with it. Not keep complaining to teacher that the big boys are picking on us.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 09:52:18 AM
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So you know I PM Risso?

Umm.


Fuck me John.  What are you talking about?  Re-read my statement.

Oh, i get it, you're deflecting the arguement again.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 27, 2005, 09:54:31 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
some people ARE unhappy about the way VFc are seen as the voice of the fans. And, that they could categorically deny that they are not when questioned or represented in the media.


Does the Trust make similar statements?


Again, you are turning it into my dad is bigger than yours. That is irrelevant to my point. Some people feel a certain way about VFC,and they are not happy with them. If a VFC spokesman was to come on here and debate his/their position then we could thrash some ideas around. Maybe get a real combined voice. But that isn't happening. So, ppeople will post their thoughts. The majority on here seem to tak an anti VFC stand. Initially I thought they had some good ideas, now I think they are becoming tired. This isn't about personalities to me as I've never met anyone on here, or who speaks for VFC. I do know I would be happy for Jon Fear - if it is he- to not allow journalists to state that he is a spokesman of Villa fans. Heoesn't. I don't like that personally.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 09:55:40 AM
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Fuck me John.


Just how many netiquette rules are you going to break?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 09:57:27 AM
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This isn't about personalities to me as I've never met anyone on here, or who speaks for VFC. I do know I would be happy for Jon Fear - if it is he- to not allow journalists to state that he is a spokesman of Villa fans. Heoesn't. I don't like that personally


This is about personalities.

What's good for VFC has to be good for the Trust too. Just so that when the Trust speak to the media we all know just how many they are speaking for.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 10:02:10 AM
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I do know I would be happy for Jon Fear - if it is he- to not allow journalists to state that he is a spokesman of Villa fans. Heoesn't. I don't like that personally.


He IS a spokesman of Villa fans, just not ALL Villa fans.  I imagine the only people unhappy with the fact that he doesn't ask every journalist to sign a legally binding document stating that he won't be referred to as "Fans' Chief" are half a dozen people on here.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 10:06:12 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Fuck me John.


Just how many netiquette rules are you going to break?


Hang on, you just accused me of spying on personal messages.  Yet all you chose to do is comment on my outrage.  I think that speaks volumes about what you hope to achieve from this thread
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 27, 2005, 10:07:03 AM
Am I the only person who doesn't give a toss what Jon Fear is referred to as in the media?

My life more or less carries on as normal, regardless...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 27, 2005, 10:14:11 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote
I do know I would be happy for Jon Fear - if it is he- to not allow journalists to state that he is a spokesman of Villa fans. Heoesn't. I don't like that personally.


He IS a spokesman of Villa fans, just not ALL Villa fans.  I imagine the only people unhappy with the fact that he doesn't ask every journalist to sign a legally binding document stating that he won't be referred to as "Fans' Chief" are half a dozen people on here.


And that's the misleading bit. It only takes a few seconds to point out that he's only the spokesman for VFC not all Villa fans. Just a tiny minority. Is there a reason why he wouldn't do it? Its because it would damage the reputation of VFC. So, he is happy to allow the misrepresentation to continue. Understandable if VFC had a clear policy of how they will remove Ellis from office.They don't. They need to have a rethink. Not sayingthey have to disband, but surely its time to realise that tired old statements are no longer having an effect. So, lets try and push this forward. What do we , as Villa fans, think should be done to further the aims we all have, and that is the best for Aston Villa.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 10:14:18 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
This is about personalities.

What's good for VFC has to be good for the Trust too. Just so that when the Trust speak to the media we all know just how many they are speaking for.


You're being deliberately obtuse aren't you.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 10:17:12 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"


Just how many netiquette rules are you going to break?


That just about sums you up. Your life revolves so much around the internet that you're unable to work out the difference between reality and that little screen you're forever looking at.

In the big world outside you're being laughed at, but why should you care as long as you're happy that we're breaking your self-imposed rules.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 10:18:50 AM
I just noticed someone deleted the "Site Rules" thread.

Haaaaaaaaa.

Who's laughing at who?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 27, 2005, 10:21:21 AM
Did you know that most Villa fans would not even know what any of you are talking about.

Getting all hot under the collar about nothing, that means nothing and is very boring.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
I just noticed someone deleted the "Site Rules" thread.



Well done. Spotters badge.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 10:26:21 AM
The first rule of H&V is - you do not talk about H&V. The second rule of H&V is - you DO NOT talk about H&V. Third rule of H&V, someone yells Stop!, goes limp, taps out, the thread carries on for another 100 pages. Fourth rule, only twelve guys to a thread. Fifth rule, one thread at a time, fellas. Sixth rule, no misplaced apostrophes, no long links. Seventh rule, threads will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and final rule, if this is your first VFC thread at H&V, you have to use the phrase "Judean People's Front" from Monty Python.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 10:30:17 AM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
Did you know that most Villa fans would not even know what any of you are talking about.

Getting all hot under the collar about nothing, that means nothing and is very boring.


Are you claiming to speak for most Villa fans? :smt002
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 10:32:06 AM
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The first rule of H&V is - you do not talk about H&V. The second rule of H&V is - you DO NOT talk about H&V. Third rule of H&V, someone yells Stop!, goes limp, taps out, the thread carries on for another 100 pages. Fourth rule, only twelve guys to a thread. Fifth rule, one thread at a time, fellas. Sixth rule, no misplaced apostrophes, no long links. Seventh rule, threads will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and final rule, if this is your first VFC thread at H&V, you have to use the phrase "Judean People's Front" from Monty Python.


Rule four subsection 3, Disco Stu is allowed to be as inflamatory as he likes and if anyone complains we delete the site rules.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 27, 2005, 10:33:51 AM
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Fourth rule, only twelve guys to a thread


Amendment: For home game match threads there shall be only 3 guys to a thread.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 10:34:54 AM
We might have lost "some good posters" but we also lost an offensive, idiotic, pedantic clown named Mooney, so there was some compensation.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 10:35:24 AM
Rule four subsection 4, anonimity is to be respected unless we decide it isn't.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Harte on October 27, 2005, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Rule four subsection 3, Disco Stu is allowed to be as inflamatory as he likes and if anyone complains we delete the site rules.

Actually, they've been unstickied so that they fall back into the pack. Be a good boy and find them for us!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 27, 2005, 10:35:58 AM
LG -  Mark Hall - whatever your name is.  You are entitled to your opnion and you make some good discussion points, but if you carry on like this on VT, you will be banned (again?) quicker than you can say Ellis Out.

Perhaps you will review your opening comments in your welcome thread then  :smt002
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 10:37:20 AM
Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
I just noticed someone deleted the "Site Rules" thread.

Haaaaaaaaa.

Who's laughing at who?


We're laughing at you.  

The Rules are still there.  You want to learn how to look.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Harte on October 27, 2005, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.

Why, isn't it allowed?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 10:39:49 AM
Quote
Actually, they've been unstickied so that they fall back into the pack. Be a good boy and find them for us!


Highly amusing, I'd love to have been in on that discussion.

"Delete them"

"We can't"

"Why not"

"We'll look stupid"

"Ok we'll unsticky them and no one will notice".

Clever boys, clever.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 27, 2005, 10:40:06 AM
Quote
Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.


Why?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 10:40:28 AM
Quote from: "Lee"
LG -  Mark Hall - whatever your name is.


It's not Mark Hall - It was my mistake.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 10:41:10 AM
Quote
Why, isn't it allowed?


Isn't it Satans den?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Harte on October 27, 2005, 10:41:42 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Actually, they've been unstickied so that they fall back into the pack. Be a good boy and find them for us!


Highly amusing, I'd love to have been in on that discussion.

"Delete them"

"We can't"

"Why not"

"We'll look stupid"

"Ok we'll unsticky them and no one will notice".

Clever boys, clever.

I'm not aware of there being a discussion about it. It was just done.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 10:41:54 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Actually, they've been unstickied so that they fall back into the pack. Be a good boy and find them for us!


Highly amusing, I'd love to have been in on that discussion.

"Delete them"

"We can't"

"Why not"

"We'll look stupid"

"Ok we'll unsticky them and no one will notice".

Clever boys, clever.


You'll find the site rules at the top of the announcement thread.  As an announcement.

They're there for all to see.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewforum.php?f=1

Now stop acting like a comple fuckwit.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 10:42:19 AM
Quote
It was just done.


By coincidence of course.

Haaaaaaaa.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Harte on October 27, 2005, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
Why, isn't it allowed?


Isn't it Satans den?

You tell me. I've not been there in months, although I occasionally go for a peep.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 10:43:17 AM
Quote
Now stop acting like a comple fuckwit.


I am not the one who has been breaking site rules and net ettiquete.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 27, 2005, 10:43:23 AM
Quote
Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.


VillaTalk is a very good read, and a nice place to get other people's opinions.

The only reason I don't post there is because the site doesn't automatically sign me in each time like this one does.

Not everyone buys into the squabbling. Most choose to ignore it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Harte on October 27, 2005, 10:43:52 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Quote
It was just done.


By coincidence of course.

Haaaaaaaa.

Not sure anyone's denied it. But you might want to check Mac's post above.....

Do you believe everything you're told?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 27, 2005, 10:44:20 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.


Missed the ruling that states you may only read one Villa related website.
I'm a little puzzled about the so called 'clique' you refer to Mr Gravity what with you having over 800 posts and all that, can't say i've noticed one but if it upsets you so much why don't you stomp off in a huff and take your bat and ball home.

Bloody drama queen.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 10:44:41 AM
I'm deeply offended. We've been at this for almst 24 hours, and John still only thinks I'm 'borderline'. Please demand my banning, John. Please.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 27, 2005, 10:46:34 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.


Some of us are actually members  8-[
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 27, 2005, 10:46:54 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
Did you know that most Villa fans would not even know what any of you are talking about.

Getting all hot under the collar about nothing, that means nothing and is very boring.


Are you claiming to speak for most Villa fans? :smt002


of course :-
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 27, 2005, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
I'm deeply offended. We've been at this for almst 24 hours, and John still only thinks I'm 'borderline'. Please demand my banning, John. Please.


Seconded. Ban him. He's a witch.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 27, 2005, 10:47:17 AM
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "Lee"
LG -  Mark Hall - whatever your name is.


It's not Mark Hall - It was my mistake.


he he  -  who cares
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 10:47:41 AM
Moderator, mr Woodhall has broken the site rules (where-ever they are currently floating), can you ban him please. Thanks.

I refer to rule four subsection four.

Highly amusing.

I've got work to do.
(i am a closet gay)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 27, 2005, 10:48:15 AM
Quote from: "Lee"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.


Some of us are actually members  8-[


Cough.  :-
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 27, 2005, 10:49:04 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Moderator, mr Woodhall has broken the site rules (where-ever they are currently floating), can you ban him please. Thanks.

I refer to rule four subsection four.

Highly amusing.

I've got work to do.


Ban the Money Maker now !!!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Laughing Gravity on October 27, 2005, 10:50:18 AM
Sorry before I start working, I would just like to state again how really sorry I am about the hair and sticky out ears comments. I should be banned, but I have apologised. Anyway the site rules are floating in the ether somewhere (that was so funny).
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 27, 2005, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Moderator, mr Woodhall has broken the site rules (where-ever they are currently floating), can you ban him please. Thanks.

I refer to rule four subsection four.

Highly amusing.

I've got work to do.


No, this is entertaining me. Please stay.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ColinMac on October 27, 2005, 10:51:16 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.


Shock horror, Villa fans viewing Aston Villa website shocker!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 27, 2005, 10:54:37 AM
Quote from: "ColinMac"
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.


Shock horror, Villa fans viewing Aston Villa website shocker!



The irony in that comment is amazing as we are the infidels are on some global plot to help Ellis assimilate the World.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 10:55:38 AM
Any chance of withdrawing your purile allegations before you fuck off John?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 27, 2005, 10:55:43 AM
I'm with Soccer, come on LG hang around, share more of your wisdom with us.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 27, 2005, 10:58:30 AM
I can (pretend to) be obnoxious and have inflammatory and flimsy arguments just to keep the fun going.......
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 27, 2005, 10:59:28 AM
Quote from: "Mac"
Any chance of withdrawing your purile allegations before you fuck off John?


Which ones, the ones relating to the drip, drip, drip of the gay mafia or something equally deluded?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 11:00:30 AM
The ones about the holocaust not happening would be a start.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 27, 2005, 11:00:40 AM
Bollocks now he's gone i've started to worry about Villa's future again.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: the weatherman on October 27, 2005, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: "Big Daddy p 23"
I'm with Soccer, come on LG hang around, share more of your wisdom with us.


thirded.

Everyone loves a Mooney  :smt058
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: "Lee"
LG -  Mark Hall - whatever your name is.  You are entitled to your opnion and you make some good discussion points, but if you carry on like this on VT, you will be banned (again?) quicker than you can say Ellis Out.

Perhaps you will review your opening comments in your welcome thread then  :smt002


Do I take it that the Holocaust denier is receiving a warm welcome on VT?

They do take the "enemey's enemy is my friend" line a bit far at times.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Anyway the site rules are floating in the ether somewhere (that was so funny).


Do you not stop to think for one second that you look (more and more) like a fool because you can't find the site rules.  


Makes a good conspiracy.  And what about all this arguing to the point stuff that you used to come out with.  You can't even follow your own rules yet you expect others to be observed.


Moto of the day.  Never argue with a Looney.  People might not notice the difference.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 11:09:41 AM
I'm sure he'll be back. For all that he pretends to dislike us he still keeps coming back for more.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 27, 2005, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: "the weatherman"
Quote from: "Big Daddy p 23"
I'm with Soccer, come on LG hang around, share more of your wisdom with us.


thirded.

Everyone loves a Mooney  :smt058


Is it my friend and yours - good old Johnny Boy.

Remember  - "Arbeit Macht Frei"
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Tony on October 27, 2005, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: "Laughing Gravity"
Amazing how many people here read VillaTalk.


Amazing how many people think there's a loyalty issue with reading VillaTalk or H&V.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 11:11:56 AM
Wait until he finds out that the Villatalk shop sells Kylie cds and advertises Paul O'Grady's autobiography.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 11:12:10 AM
Nearly 2/3 of the way to the 100 page mark.  What can we pointlessly argue about next to keep the momentum going?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 27, 2005, 11:12:11 AM
Quote from: "Mac"

Do I take it that the Holocaust denier is receiving a warm welcome on VT?



So far  -  Well he's pushed the right buttons so far  :-$
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 11:12:19 AM
Strawman.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 11:16:39 AM
Straw Dogs.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 27, 2005, 11:16:57 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Nearly 2/3 of the way to the 100 page mark.  What can we pointlessly argue about next to keep the momentum going?


Go on then.


SPLITTER!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 27, 2005, 11:17:00 AM
I'm missing him already! Can we serialise this thread in H&V?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 27, 2005, 11:29:07 AM
Proabably before my time on this site but who exactly is this LG/John mooney chap?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 27, 2005, 11:32:40 AM
We're now guaranteed to get the Ton!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 27, 2005, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: "Big Daddy p 23"
Proabably before my time on this site but who exactly is this LG/John mooney chap?


LG was in a volatile but loving relationship with Duncan Norvelle until Duncan spent a winter in Panto in Bornemouth and met somebody else which resulted in LG going slightly off the rails and turning into a homophobic holocaust denier.

Apart from that he's a well balanced individual who most definately does not have any chips on his shoulder.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 27, 2005, 11:39:07 AM
Big Daddy strikes.....it's in the air, oh that's sailed into the upper tier...

Great strike to try and reach this century....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: "Big Daddy p 23"
Proabably before my time on this site but who exactly is this LG/John mooney chap?


He was a man kind enough to share with his slow drift into madness. He was a long time poster who went away for a bit, presumably for some sort of therapy, then came back and stated telling us about the gay mafia who converted children, denying the holocaust and had some sort of obsession with Fatima Whitbread that I could never quite fathom.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: deanl123 on October 27, 2005, 11:42:54 AM
Just read the previous 10 pages to catch up!

LG is a bit of a wally! but he had a good point if it is true that the site rules were unstickied (is that a word), that was a bit of a PR cock-up!

My personal view is that VFC & ST are completely and utterly useless. Money runs football, and fans are inconsequential.

Ellis will not leave Villa because some obsessives, who should really be doing something more productive with their time keep shouting and stamping their feet. He has correctly stated put up the money or shup the F*ck up, and now it looks like someone may be about to do the former, and we will find out once and for all, whether this is a good thing or not for Aston Villa Football Club.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 11:47:14 AM
The share price just keeps on falling.......
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 11:53:15 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
The share price just keeps on falling.......


Which is indicative of what?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 11:57:11 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
The share price just keeps on falling.......


Which is indicative of what?


Well it could either be that any possible takeover is now very unlikely, or if there is a takeober bid, that it isn't going to be for as much as people thought.

Bearing in mind that Doug probably isn't going to sell for what he sees as a low price, I know which is the most likely.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 11:58:01 AM
Quote from: "deanl123"
LG is a bit of a wally! but he had a good point if it is true that the site rules were unstickied (is that a word), that was a bit of a PR cock-up!


I know it's only my website but please help me.

I know of one set of site rules that I reset as an announcement RATHER than a sticky in the announcement forum under the Heroes and Villains section.  Are there any more?

The above "rules" were also locked at the same time.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: deanl123 on October 27, 2005, 12:01:10 PM
Mac, I did caveat my comments with "if it was true".
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ian c. on October 27, 2005, 12:01:51 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
The share price just keeps on falling.......


Which is indicative of what?


Well it could either be that any possible takeover is now very unlikely, or if there is a takeober bid, that it isn't going to be for as much as people thought.

Bearing in mind that Doug probably isn't going to sell for what he sees as a low price, I know which is the most likely.


What's the trading volume?  If it's low I would guess it indicates next to nothing.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 12:02:56 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
The share price just keeps on falling.......


Which is indicative of what?


That Villa fans should be worried about Villa's future.  A falling share price would indicate that people do not think that the club is about to be sold.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 12:03:57 PM
Quote from: "deanl123"
Mac, I did caveat my comments with "if it was true".


And this is what pisses me off by Mooney's coments.  Rather than answer my points he just ploughs on with complete and utter fucking rubbish.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 12:04:57 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "deanl123"
Mac, I did caveat my comments with "if it was true".


And this is what pisses me off by Mooney's coments.  Rather than answer my points he just ploughs on with complete and utter fucking rubbish.


I don't think it was LG who said they were unstickied to be fair, wasn't it one of the mods?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ROBBO on October 27, 2005, 12:05:37 PM
Now were back on to take over bids again, who's in charge get a grip sack everyone if you have to.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 12:07:14 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
The share price just keeps on falling.......


Which is indicative of what?


Well it could either be that any possible takeover is now very unlikely, or if there is a takeober bid, that it isn't going to be for as much as people thought.

Bearing in mind that Doug probably isn't going to sell for what he sees as a low price, I know which is the most likely.


As far as I'm aware the details of the takeover, if there is one, haven't been made public. So any trading, and I'm guessing it's small volumes as most of the available shares seem to have been snapped up, is still based on speculation.

I'm still sceptical about the whole thing but I wouldn't dismiss it just on the basis of the share price.

How much has it fallen?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Mac"
Quote from: "deanl123"
Mac, I did caveat my comments with "if it was true".


And this is what pisses me off by Mooney's coments.  Rather than answer my points he just ploughs on with complete and utter fucking rubbish.


I don't think it was LG who said they were unstickied to be fair, wasn't it one of the mods?


Mooney said they'd been deleted, when they had not.  And they certainly hadn't been un-stickied to drop down the order.  In fact the reverse was true!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 27, 2005, 12:16:06 PM
Quote
He was a man kind enough to share with his slow drift into madness. He was a long time poster who went away for a bit, presumably for some sort of therapy, then came back and stated telling us about the gay mafia who converted children, denying the holocaust and had some sort of obsession with Fatima Whitbread that I could never quite fathom.


Wow, i bet the VFC are really happy having such a nice individual argue their case.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 12:17:19 PM
Quote from: "Chris Harte"
Actually, they've been unstickied so that they fall back into the pack. Be a good boy and find them for us!


Dave seemed to think that they'd been deleted, Chris seemed to think they'd been unstickied, where was the "moved" note to say where they'd ended up?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 12:20:11 PM
I wasn't aware that they'd been moved.

I did lock the thread - delete the replies and make it an announcement.

And add 1 little change.  :smt002
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"


How much has it fallen?


From over a fiver a share a week or two ago, down to £4.27.  That's a pretty big drop, and it's getting steadily lower.  Not what you'd normally expect to happen prior to a takeover at all.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 12:27:24 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"


How much has it fallen?


From over a fiver a share a week or two ago, down to £4.27.  That's a pretty big drop, and it's getting steadily lower.  Not what you'd normally expect to happen prior to a takeover at all.



Profit taking.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bren'd on October 27, 2005, 12:31:14 PM
Quote from: "deanl123"
Just read the previous 10 pages to catch up!

LG is a bit of a wally! but he had a good point if it is true that the site rules were unstickied (is that a word), that was a bit of a PR cock-up!

My personal view is that VFC & ST are completely and utterly useless. Money runs football, and fans are inconsequential.

Ellis will not leave Villa because some obsessives, who should really be doing something more productive with their time keep shouting and stamping their feet. He has correctly stated put up the money or shup the F*ck up, and now it looks like someone may be about to do the former, and we will find out once and for all, whether this is a good thing or not for Aston Villa Football Club.


Well I for one disagree with your personal view.  For all their faults at least they've had a try.  They don't have the money that's required but they've used what skills they've had whether rightly or wrongly to put a message/their message across and some people do actually believe in some of what they have to say.  Maybe if they got more to believe and every supporter stumped up £500 as proposed by Hodgson at the first meeting things might have been different.  It's now moved on to a different level and a bit repetative and therefore loses it's impact.  If I were part of VFC (and I'm not) I wouldn't bother preaching on this site because even if it was a gem it would be ripped apart, dissected and pilloried for every minor discrepency and not just because of the content but because of the personalities involved.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 12:34:21 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"

From over a fiver a share a week or two ago, down to £4.27.  That's a pretty big drop, and it's getting steadily lower.  Not what you'd normally expect to happen prior to a takeover at all.



Profit taking.[/quote]

Don't think so.  The shares don't look like they're being sold in enough quantities.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 27, 2005, 12:37:45 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
...I asked questions regarding VFC possibly having to change tactics as the current one wasn't working. I asked about campaign direction. I asked about a campaign coordinater. I asked whether VFC could see that they had lost support of many Villa fans who initially welcomed them because of a failure to address that maybe, just maybe, their current campaign had run its course. None of these- which are more related to the topic in question- received a reply.....


I think I answered those points, somewhere back about 30 pages ago. Admittedly, as is often the way on all kinds of threads, the answer may have got lost in all the, er, "non-related" postings.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 27, 2005, 12:52:21 PM
Quote
Am I the only person who doesn't give a toss what Jon Fear is referred to as in the media?

My life more or less carries on as normal, regardless...


Can I join your clique please. And while we're in a confessional (bloody Mooney) I occasionally have a look at VillaTalk too. Like to see different views and (I can't believe I'm admitting this) sometimes agree with points made over there. Which is why I disagree with...

Quote
If I were part of VFC (and I'm not) I wouldn't bother preaching on this site because even if it was a gem it would be ripped apart, dissected and pilloried for every minor discrepency and not just because of the content but because of the personalities involved.


Because if you've evolved to a level where you can see beyond any personal, purile or irrelevant utterances, you are left with some good points, worthy questions and a wider view. Far better than sticking to people who tell you you're great all the time. There lies the path to head and back distortion.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: richardhubbard on October 27, 2005, 12:58:00 PM
I look at VT, am a member but never post, too many rules in their. LG I am sorry , what is his point apart from being an arse. Really VFC is a complete waste of time. LG you keyboard warrior ](*,)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 01:07:50 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"
Quote
Am I the only person who doesn't give a toss what Jon Fear is referred to as in the media?

My life more or less carries on as normal, regardless...


Can I join your clique please. And while we're in a confessional (bloody Mooney) I occasionally have a look at VillaTalk too. Like to see different views and (I can't believe I'm admitting this) sometimes agree with points made over there. Which is why I disagree with...



Although, Simon, if their media appearances referred to them correctly and told us just who they were and who they represent then you'd not need to spend so much time trying to pin Pete down for an answer.

I too have a peak at the other site now and then but for me it's C5 to this sites BBC. It has the odd thing worth looking at but you wouldn't want to make a habit of it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 27, 2005, 01:38:04 PM
Well, that's an entire morning spent reading a somewhat epic thread.  I have to say I have been entertained and somewhat enlightened.  I started reading dilligently, and also with an open mind regarding all VFC / ST arguments, but by page 15 I began to skip the odd page.  By page 30 I decided to read just 1 in 3 pages, as lunch was only an hour away y'see.  I only read one page in the fourties, and a couple in the fifties.  I have however read everything from 60 upwards, so thanks for the laughs.

I have no meaningful contribution to make (much like the 60 odd pages above), but I wanted to post as I feel this thread is going to become one of those "where were you when..." moments...

With that in mind, a couple of observations:

1.  Why do people on this board find to so hard to "argee to disagree"?
2.  The only time I expect all Villa fans to have the same opinion on something is if we win a trophy, and we all agree "that was a good thing"
3.  Laughing Gravity needs a hug.

A couple of outstanding questions (which I may have missed due to skim reading)

1.  Is Laughing Gravity actually John Mooney, or the leader of the mystery Russian consortium?
2.  What exactly is wrong with Disco Oscar's ears?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: the weatherman on October 27, 2005, 01:48:49 PM
Quote
Why do people on this board find to so hard to "argee to disagree"?


There are some of the most stubborn bastards in the history of stubborness on this board, but it makes for superb entertainment.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 27, 2005, 01:49:33 PM
Merely for the benefit of any sick twisted gay-bashing Nazi types (possibly with a long history of alcoholism) out there, I’ve never asked for a thread to be locked on this site.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 27, 2005, 01:51:25 PM
Smithy - you need to read the 50's properly - that was the best part.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: "Smithy"

A couple of outstanding questions (which I may have missed due to skim reading)

1.  Is Laughing Gravity actually John Mooney, or the leader of the mystery Russian consortium?
2.  What exactly is wrong with Disco Oscar's ears?


1. Both.

2. They're on either side of his enormous brain.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 27, 2005, 02:00:41 PM
Where have the site rules gone?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 27, 2005, 02:05:04 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
Where have the site rules gone?


Maybe they’ve been kidnapped by the Gay Mafia.  

Then again perhaps the rules just did not happen and their alleged existence is merely part of a Zionist plot of world domination.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 02:06:06 PM
Nowhere.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
Where have the site rules gone?


As I haven't posted any lyrics for a few pages:

Isn't it strange how princesses and kings
in clown-ragged capers in sawdust rings
while common people like you and me
we'll be builders for eternity
each is given a bag of tools
a shapeless mass and the book of rules

each must make his life as flowing in
tumbling block on a stepping stone
while common people like you and me
we'll be builders for eternity
each is given a bag of tools
a shapeless mass and the book of rules

look when the rain has fallen from the sky
you know the sun will be only with us for a while
while common people like you and me
we'll be builders for eternity
each is given a bag of tools
a shapeless mass and the book of rules


or

We bought a lot of things to keep you warm and dry
And a funny old crib on which the paint won’t dry
I bought you a pair of shoes
A trumpet you can blow
And a book of rules
On what to say to people when they pick on you
’cause if you stay with us you’re gonna be pretty kookie too
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 27, 2005, 02:11:11 PM
lol
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 27, 2005, 02:12:24 PM
Quote from: "usav"
Smithy - you need to read the 50's properly - that was the best part.


Bugger, was hoping to get some work done this afternoon.  Thanks for the tip usav ;-)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 27, 2005, 02:12:37 PM
really easy.

Any way where are the rules I want to see if I have been wronged.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 27, 2005, 02:14:20 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Isn't it strange how princesses and kings
in clown-ragged capers in sawdust rings
while common people like you and me
we'll be builders for eternity


Go Let it Out, Chris.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 27, 2005, 02:14:28 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Nowhere.


Liar.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 27, 2005, 02:17:01 PM
Quote from: "usav"
Smithy - you need to read the 50's properly - that was the best part.


OK - is there a quick way of going to a specific page in this thread?  Or do I have to keep going back a page at a time?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 27, 2005, 02:17:23 PM
Picked up on Google, this seems a bit suspicious:  

Klandestine    
The Official UK Fan Club of those Nazi Twins from America what was in the Daily Mirror
Hitler House
Itdidnotnevernothappen Boulevard
Huddersfield
HU1 0KKK
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
Quote from: "Mac"
Nowhere.


Liar.


My Bum in not on fire though.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 27, 2005, 02:21:22 PM
Quote from: "Smithy"
Quote from: "usav"
Smithy - you need to read the 50's properly - that was the best part.


OK - is there a quick way of going to a specific page in this thread?  Or do I have to keep going back a page at a time?


Just had same problem, Mac needs to sort it out but he is having problems with his bum at the momment.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 27, 2005, 02:21:22 PM
Quote from: "Smithy"
Quote from: "usav"
Smithy - you need to read the 50's properly - that was the best part.


OK - is there a quick way of going to a specific page in this thread?  Or do I have to keep going back a page at a time?


http://heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=6065&start=725

Should see you right
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 02:22:34 PM
Rules should not be necessary in a society based on mutual trust and understanding. Their very existence is proof that we as individuals have failed.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 27, 2005, 02:26:49 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Although, Simon, if their media appearances referred to them correctly and told us just who they were and who they represent then you'd not need to spend so much time trying to pin Pete down for an answer.


A thing of the past now. He answered somewhere in the fourties (or maybe fifties). So as long as they don't go changing....

Mind, there are a couple on the list who claim not to be, so maybe I'll launch into another three years of dodgy, meaningless internet conspiracy theorising. ;)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 27, 2005, 02:34:46 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Rules should not be necessary in a society based on mutual trust and understanding. Their very existence is proof that we as individuals have failed.


Still rules are rules and where would we be without rules?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"


Still rules are rules and where would we be without rules?


On here, wasting our lives away.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mark H on October 27, 2005, 02:45:55 PM
Hasnt it been a nice day weather wise   :-
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 02:55:40 PM
Quote from: "Mark H"
Hasnt it been a nice day weather wise   :-


Are you Mark Hall by an chance?!

If so you're banned from here and every website in the world!

You're not?  Oh.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Harte on October 27, 2005, 02:58:12 PM
Just catching up with this. I was me that told LG/whatever the big fat porky about the rules being unstickied. But while we're on the rules:-
Quote from: "Site rules"
Spamming, flooding, trolling and flaming will not be tolerated.

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned this earlier.

TROLL

TROLL

TROLL

So others broke the rules of the site, as pointed out by a troller.
 =;
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 02:58:16 PM
Quote
Still rules are rules and where would we be without rules?


A rule of thumb is that rules are there to be broken.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 27, 2005, 02:58:37 PM
can everyone stop getting banned.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 27, 2005, 02:58:59 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"

Still rules are rules and where would we be without rules?


France?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 02:59:57 PM
Spamming and flaming I get, what are trolling and flooding?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 27, 2005, 03:01:32 PM
A statement from Stars for Mooney:

We, the undersigned, respectfully ask that you right old nasty lot on H&V leave our lovely little Johnny Mooney alone.  He’s a lovely bloke whose expertise in soft furnishings is second to none and who’s never got a bad word to say about anyone except gay people, Jews, Muslims, Protestants and a wide variety of other heretics.  

Yours in love of Mooney,

Elton John, Dale Winton, Michael Barrymore, Paul O’Grady, H from Steps, Rufus Wainwright, Rupert Everett, Will Young, Matt Lucas, David Walliams, Tim from Four Poofs and a Piano, Roland from Four Poofs and a Piano, Brian from Four Poofs and a Piano, Trevor from Four Poofs and a Piano, Christopher Biggins, Russell Grant, Sir Ian McKellan, The Bloke who played Danny Moon in EastEnders, The Gay German from Allo Allo, Gloria from It Ain’t Alf Hot Mum, Matthew Upson, Will from Will and Grace and Todd Grimshaw.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 03:02:25 PM
Flooding is posting the same thing many times in a short space of time.

Trolling is well what Mooney was doing - and what most of us are guilty of at times.

Posting simply to get a reaction and stir the shit.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 03:02:50 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Spamming and flaming I get, what are trolling and flooding?


I know that trolls live under bridges and attack little pigs on their way to sleep in Goldilock's grandmother's cottage and have to be rescued by seven dwarves that she keeps in a nearby gingerbread house for the purpose. Maybe flooding is what happens to them when they hide under the bridge because it's raining.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 03:03:49 PM
Are you completely sure they all signed it Stu?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 27, 2005, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
[Yours in love of Mooney,

Elton John, Dale Winton, Michael Barrymore, Paul O’Grady, H from Steps, Rufus Wainwright, Rupert Everett, Will Young, Matt Lucas, David Walliams, Tim from Four Poofs and a Piano, Roland from Four Poofs and a Piano, Brian from Four Poofs and a Piano, Trevor from Four Poofs and a Piano, Christopher Biggins, Russell Grant, Sir Ian McKellan, The Bloke who played Danny Moon in EastEnders, The Gay German from Allo Allo, Gloria from It Ain’t Alf Hot Mum, Matthew Upson, Will from Will and Grace and Todd Grimshaw.


Mr Humphries from  Are You Being Served was also asked to sign the above.

But he wasn't free at the time
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 27, 2005, 03:05:06 PM
Quote from: "usav"
Quote from: "Smithy"
Quote from: "usav"
Smithy - you need to read the 50's properly - that was the best part.


OK - is there a quick way of going to a specific page in this thread?  Or do I have to keep going back a page at a time?


http://heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=6065&start=725

Should see you right


excellent, thanks usav, you weren't wrong!....

and without wishing to rehash old arguments, I'm afraid I have to take issue with Fletcher....

Cliquey Dee is very similar indeed to Kiki Dee.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 03:06:14 PM
Quote from: "Chico Hamilton III"

Mr Humphries from  Are You Being Served was also asked to sign the above.

But he wasn't free at the time


ADMIN!!!!!!!!

Ban him for crap jokes.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 27, 2005, 03:09:42 PM
Quote from: "Chico Hamilton III"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Yours in love of Mooney,

Elton John, Dale Winton, Michael Barrymore, Paul O’Grady, H from Steps, Rufus Wainwright, Rupert Everett, Will Young, Matt Lucas, David Walliams, Tim from Four Poofs and a Piano, Roland from Four Poofs and a Piano, Brian from Four Poofs and a Piano, Trevor from Four Poofs and a Piano, Christopher Biggins, Russell Grant, Sir Ian McKellan, The Bloke who played Danny Moon in EastEnders, The Gay German from Allo Allo, Gloria from It Ain’t Alf Hot Mum, Matthew Upson, Will from Will and Grace and Todd Grimshaw.


Mr Humphries from  Are You Being Served was also asked to sign the above.

But he wasn't free at the time


That’s actually true.

Apparently, at the time he was helping Mrs Slocombe with a problem she had with her pussy, which had once again become quite wet for some hitherto unexplained reason.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 03:18:25 PM
Innuendo on page 69.  Fnarr, Fnarr
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 03:19:21 PM
How the hell did we get to page 69?

Wasn't it dying out till Stuey gave it a prod at about page 26
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 03:22:41 PM
Most things tend to die out until His Disconess gives them a prod.

Getting away from this 69's a bit of a stiff 'un.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 27, 2005, 03:26:48 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
A statement from Stars for Mooney:
Elton John, Dale Winton, Michael Barrymore, Paul O’Grady, H from Steps, Rufus Wainwright, Rupert Everett, Will Young, Matt Lucas, David Walliams, Tim from Four Poofs and a Piano, Roland from Four Poofs and a Piano, Brian from Four Poofs and a Piano, Trevor from Four Poofs and a Piano, Christopher Biggins, Russell Grant, Sir Ian McKellan, The Bloke who played Danny Moon in EastEnders, The Gay German from Allo Allo, Gloria from It Ain’t Alf Hot Mum, Matthew Upson, Will from Will and Grace and Todd Grimshaw.


I note with interest that Duncan 'Chase Me,Chase Me' Norvelle hasn't taken the time to sign.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 27, 2005, 03:28:15 PM
All hands to the pumps to keep the thread going......
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"

I note with interest that Duncan 'Chase Me,Chase Me' Norvelle hasn't taken the time to sign.


Yes he has, look:

Elton John, Dale Winton, Michael Barrymore, Paul O’Grady, H from Steps, Rufus Wainwright, Rupert Everett, Will Young, Matt Lucas, David Walliams, Tim from Four Poofs and a Piano, Roland from Four Poofs and a Piano, Brian from Four Poofs and a Piano, Trevor from Four Poofs and a Piano, Christopher Biggins, Russell Grant, Sir Ian McKellan, The Bloke who played Danny Moon in EastEnders, The Gay German from Allo Allo, Gloria from It Ain’t Alf Hot Mum, Matthew Upson, Will from Will and Grace and Todd Grimshaw, Duncan 'Chase Me,Chase Me' Norvelle.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 03:30:59 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
I note with interest that Duncan 'Chase Me,Chase Me' Norvelle hasn't taken the time to sign.


I thought that he was straight and only put on the campness to further his career.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 27, 2005, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
[
I thought that he was straight and only put on the campness to further his career.


well it did his career the world of good

last seen performing the end of pier show......................on Southend Pier
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 03:34:17 PM
Thank God we're onto page 70. That 69 was a bit of a mouthful.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 27, 2005, 03:37:43 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Thank God we're onto page 70. That 69 was a bit of a mouthful.


Have you suddenly turned into Finbarr Saunders?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 27, 2005, 03:40:05 PM
Isn't it marvellous how we've all stopped worrying about Villa's future and are now discussing the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle?

Perhaps VFC do serve a purpose after all.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2005, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Isn't it marvellous how we've all stopped worrying about Villa's future and are now discussing the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle?

Perhaps VFC do serve a purpose after all.


And how are the two linked?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 27, 2005, 03:47:21 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Isn't it marvellous how we've all stopped worrying about Villa's future and are now discussing the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle?

Perhaps VFC do serve a purpose after all.


And how are the two linked?


About 20 years ago when this thread  started i seem to recall it having something or other to do with the latest bag of wind issued by whoever is the fans fuhrer these days and yet somehow we've got on to more pressing matters.

Let's just wait and see whether VFC issue a statement relating to Mr Norvelle's sexuality before questioning any link shall we?

And shouldn't you be coming up with some double entendres?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 03:53:56 PM
Are you sure he's not bent?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 03:57:44 PM
No. And on second thoughts if he isn't he's a bloody good actor.  And ot's a travesty that he's not had bigger parts.  Ooooo-errrr
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 04:02:09 PM
Seeing as this thread is 70, as per stock exchange rules it should retire.  Heaven forbid it carries on until 82.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 27, 2005, 04:05:46 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Isn't it marvellous how we've all stopped worrying about Villa's future and are now discussing the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle?

Perhaps VFC do serve a purpose after all.


And how are the two linked?


As per Chris Moyle's & 'Comedy' Dave's Tedious link, I refer the honourable gentleman to the previous 69 pages of posts....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2005, 04:39:55 PM
Who wants us to lose the Man City game so that O'Leary gets the push?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 27, 2005, 04:42:35 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Who wants us to lose the Man City game so that O'Leary gets the push?


Stuart Pearce?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 27, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Who wants us to lose the Man City game so that O'Leary gets the push?


Ain't seen one of those polls before.  ;-)
Title: Re: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 27, 2005, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: "martin@ardenley"
from givemefootball.com

Aston Villa fans´ groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later.

Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday´s annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential investors will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.

VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."


So lets start from the beginning because I got lost half way through, whats da big idea!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 27, 2005, 04:59:04 PM
I think that bloke Fear's right.

Shall I close the thread?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 27, 2005, 05:02:09 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
I think that bloke Fear's right.

Shall I close the thread?


No
Title: Re: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 27, 2005, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
Quote from: "martin@ardenley"
from givemefootball.com

Aston Villa fans´ groups are warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless there is major investment sooner rather than later.

Villa Fans Combined (VFC) are sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday´s annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential investors will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.

VFC spokesman Jonathan Fear said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future."


So lets start from the beginning because I got lost half way through, whats da big idea!


It's like Les Dawson's piano playing, playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order. Either that, or Jonathan Fear is being misquoted.
I really do wish Jonathan would come on here and have a chat.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 27, 2005, 05:57:01 PM
I got rather upset at the 'shall I close the thread' comment because I had just managed to read to here and wanted to post something. Imagine my horror after reading all the preceding trolling, flaming, flooding, gobbing, sucking, camping and thumping if it had indeed been locked. That woulkd surely have been spoiling?


Oh shit, now I have forgotten what my point was, I guess I'll have to re-read it all again.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 27, 2005, 06:16:29 PM
More Stars for Mooney have outed themselves:    

Jackie Mason, Maureen Lipman, Ester Rantzen, Sir Alan Sugar, Krusty the Clown, Kirk Douglas, David Baddiel, Omri Katz, Adam Sandler, Ben Stiller, Harrison Ford, Barbra Streisand, Natalie Portman, Bette Midler, Tori Spelling, Sacha Baron Cohen, Bob Dylan, Sir Ben Kingsley, Carly Simon, Craig David and Harry Connick Jr.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2005, 06:30:24 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
More Stars for Mooney have outed themselves:    

Jackie Mason, Maureen Lipman, Ester Rantzen, Sir Alan Sugar, Krusty the Clown, Kirk Douglas, David Baddiel, Omri Katz, Adam Sandler, Ben Stiller, Harrison Ford, Barbra Streisand, Natalie Portman, Bette Midler, Tori Spelling, Sacha Baron Cohen, Bob Dylan, Sir Ben Kingsley, Carly Simon, Craig David and Harry Connick Jr.


You forgot Jesus of Nazereth.
Title: Re: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 27, 2005, 06:57:21 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
It's like Les Dawson's piano playing, playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order. .


Your mixing your vintage comedy quotes/comedian's to suit your own puns, Kelly.  That just won't do.

Everyone knows it was Eric Morcambe that knew all the right notes, not necessairly in the right order.   As for Dawson, he just had two left hands.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 27, 2005, 07:00:25 PM
Thanks USAV.

I had a feeling it was Eric and not Les but due to tiredness, couldn't be bothered to check.

Speaking of Eric Morecombe - care to name his Villa connection?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 27, 2005, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
More Stars for Mooney have outed themselves:    

Jackie Mason, Maureen Lipman, Ester Rantzen, Sir Alan Sugar, Krusty the Clown, Kirk Douglas, David Baddiel, Omri Katz, Adam Sandler, Ben Stiller, Harrison Ford, Barbra Streisand, Natalie Portman, Bette Midler, Tori Spelling, Sacha Baron Cohen, Bob Dylan, Sir Ben Kingsley, Carly Simon, Craig David and Harry Connick Jr.


You forgot Jesus of Nazereth.


You also forgot Brian of Nazareth and Manny Charlton of Nazareth.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 27, 2005, 07:20:06 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Thanks USAV.

I had a feeling it was Eric and not Les but due to tiredness, couldn't be bothered to check.

Speaking of Eric Morecombe - care to name his Villa connection?


Eric, Luton Town’s most famous fan, presented Ron Saunders with his Manager of the Year Award in 1981, Mr Preview.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 27, 2005, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
More Stars for Mooney have outed themselves:    

Jackie Mason, Maureen Lipman, Ester Rantzen, Sir Alan Sugar, Krusty the Clown, Kirk Douglas, David Baddiel, Omri Katz, Adam Sandler, Ben Stiller, Harrison Ford, Barbra Streisand, Natalie Portman, Bette Midler, Tori Spelling, Sacha Baron Cohen, Bob Dylan, Sir Ben Kingsley, Carly Simon, Craig David and Harry Connick Jr.


You forgot Jesus of Nazereth.


I believe Mooney’s still in denial about that one.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: the weatherman on October 27, 2005, 07:29:41 PM
Quote from: "Disco Stu"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Thanks USAV.

I had a feeling it was Eric and not Les but due to tiredness, couldn't be bothered to check.

Speaking of Eric Morecombe - care to name his Villa connection?


Eric, Luton Town’s most famous fan, presented Ron Saunders with his Manager of the Year Award in 1981, Mr Preview.


well done.

with answers like that the Shrews will be put to the sword again.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: bobcat on October 27, 2005, 07:42:18 PM
What a wicked thread! Just read page 49 up to the present day.

And yes I am bored at work.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 27, 2005, 08:25:04 PM
Quote from: "Disco Stu"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Thanks USAV.

I had a feeling it was Eric and not Les but due to tiredness, couldn't be bothered to check.

Speaking of Eric Morecombe - care to name his Villa connection?


Eric, Luton Town’s most famous fan, presented Ron Saunders with his Manager of the Year Award in 1981, Mr Preview.


You were close Discoboy but in fact Ron was presented the Manager of the Year Award by Big Eric in 1975!!!

Preview that!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 27, 2005, 09:16:32 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"

Speaking of Eric Morecombe - care to name his Villa connection?



Err...Morecambe play in the same league as Tamworth who were once managed by Paul Hendrie who is the father of Lee hendrie who occasionally plays for Villa?

Do I win five pounds?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 27, 2005, 09:40:58 PM
No Dave but I think you should be fined £5 for continuously promoting Tamworth. :-$
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 27, 2005, 09:41:11 PM
This is ridiculous. Can we please get back on topic and discuss the important issue rather than all this frivolity?

Is Duncan Norvelle gay?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Matt G on October 27, 2005, 09:43:04 PM
Top thread.  Paul Hendries a Bluenose, that makes that waste of space Lee Hendrie a Bluenose poof who wants to make whoopee with Laughing Gravity.

Did I mention O'Leary out?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 27, 2005, 09:52:48 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
This is ridiculous. Can we please get back on topic and discuss the important issue rather than all this frivolity?

Is Duncan Norvelle gay?


Allegedly?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 27, 2005, 09:53:24 PM
Quote from: "Matt G"
Top thread.  Paul Hendries a Bluenose, that makes that waste of space Lee Hendrie a Bluenose poof who wants to make whoopee with Laughing Gravity.

Did I mention O'Leary out?


Even better than the Barton's classic!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 28, 2005, 12:10:49 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
No Dave but I think you should be fined £5 for continuously promoting Tamworth. :-$


What? Me, the third duke of Hill Top, promoting Tamworth FC who play at The Lamb Ground, Kettlebrook, Tamworth, roll up, roll up only a tenner to stand on real terracing, come on it's better than watching Villa and you all know it?

What were they thinking?

Chin chin!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 12:43:32 AM
And with the score now standing at a healthy 72, we hand over to the night shift.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chicago_Villa on October 28, 2005, 03:13:36 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
And with the score now standing at a healthy 72, we hand over to the night shift.


It may be the night shift for you, but my day is just beginning here in China. I can't be bothered to read the previous posts, so I am not going to make any comment relevant to this thread other than Jesus was not bent, but his boyfriend, Judas, was.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 28, 2005, 03:54:38 AM
Judas wasn't just bent, he was a dodgy backstabber.  :-
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 04:36:34 AM
I hoped MR Gravity was going to re appear and continue. for 70 pages I've been saving my 'back to reality ther goes Gravity' gag. now I've got to decide whether DuncamNorvelle is gay instead. Well if he isn't then there can't have been a holocaust.Any other gays who may or may not be? Green from Scritti Politti?Garth Crooks?Mark Lawrenson? Steve McDonald from Coronation St?Pat Nevin?Carl lewis?Prince Edward?Nick Hancock? Tom Cruise?Jason Donovan?

You tend to find that those that constantly bang on against homosexuality, oo er, are closet gays themselves. They just haven't found the right time to express their true feelings have man love/lust. maybe if Mr Mooney has homophobic tendencies, we should give him a hug and tell him that in us he has friends. We love him for who he is, and if he wishes to stab shit, or turd burgle, we can only be there for him.

Oh, and Les Dawson can play the piano. Well, could. It was said that anyone who could play a whole song just a key off could play the piano to a high standard. Plus, he was great on blankety blank. So much better than Wogan.

Oh, the good old days, Les Dawson, Eric Morecambe, Bob Monkhouse, Sid James, Tommy Cooper...who we got now? David Baddiel? Has he ever said anything remotely funny? Now Frank has dropped him, how does he earn a living?

Mind you at least we don't have Little & Large and Cannon & Ball anymore. Just French and Saunders. Ho fucking ho.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 04:38:53 AM
If Jon Fear pulled an outrageously fit bird with big tits and had her on his arm at every press event, would people hate him more or would we pull behind VFC hoping to see her jugs?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 04:42:31 AM
By the way, what is the record for the longest thread? I know the Bartons hit page 374, but can anyone give a definitive answer? Oh, and all those that hounded that poor landlord chap out of a job,home, and a happy life, is it a better pub now?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 05:15:26 AM
If we beat Man City on Monday night, can we change the title of this thread to Villa fans Deliriously happy with David O'Leary. European football is now just a step away. Who really is to blame for our current predicament?

1) The Players - just not performing. Performance levels are not up to standard.

2) Coaching staff - Not getting the players right for a game. The players do not seem to put in a full 90 minutes and we'ew nearly into November.

3) The manager - He picks the team , gives the talks, maybe decides on tactics, tries to motivate the team. Are his players not good enough, are his staff not good enough.

4)The chairman - Although funds were given. Are they 'substantial' enough. Is his hold on power distracting the manager who feels the need to back him up, and therefore affecting the team.

5) The fans - constant whinging and moaning. Players aren't confident because fans are on their back. Teh relationship with the manager is aas low as its ever been.

6) The media - The constant deriding of the club over the years makes us seem a worse prospect to join than we really are. The impression is of a club that is based on rooten wood that is about to collapse. The media give the impression that  our upwardly mobile neighbours are exciting and we are pointless. This also affects fans.

7) VFC/ ST - Are these a problem? Constant back biting and poisonous relations with each other, and the club surely takes its toll. Why would Ellis want to see us happy when we've fucked him off for so long?

8) History - Has the fact that we were a great club over 100 years ago, and for 2 years in the 80's finally come back to haunt us. Is it a millstone around or necks? Does any other club live off the back off things that were achieved so long ago?

Finally, is this just symptomatic of football. If we win 2 or 3 on the bounce do all these questions go away? Do we really care about Ellis/DOL etc if we end up in Europe? Is the back biting only a frustrated football fans knee jerk reaction to seeing the team not being more successful? Something isn't right at VP and I think all of the above apply. Villa have been a highly political club for as long as my memory of history stretches back. This is just the next stage. Is it time to batten down the hatches and pull together to prepare for the next chapter in our history? Afterall it is our motto.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 05:18:34 AM
Quote from: "Matt G"
Top thread.  Paul Hendries a Bluenose, that makes that waste of space Lee Hendrie a Bluenose poof who wants to make whoopee with Laughing Gravity.

Did I mention O'Leary out?


A big nosed blue nose at that. He must be a jew too
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chicago_Villa on October 28, 2005, 05:18:50 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
8) History - Has the fact that we were a great club over 100 years ago, and for 2 years in the 80's finally come back to haunt us. Is it a millstone around or necks? Does any other club live off the back off things that were achieved so long ago?


No, but many live of false marketing that would have you believe that they were once great. The poor deluded northern stripey bastards spring to mind.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 05:20:45 AM
Actually, joking aside if anyone doesn't think the holocaust happened they are just sick. Have they spoken to anyone who had relatives there? Well, now you have. My great grandfather died at Belsen. He fell out of his watch tower.










I'll get my coat
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chicago_Villa on October 28, 2005, 05:21:04 AM
Can I be the first to welcome everyone to page 73  \:D/
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 05:22:10 AM
Quote from: "Chicago_Villa"
Can I be the first to welcome everyone to page 73  \:D/


Sadly, no.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chicago_Villa on October 28, 2005, 06:49:31 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Chicago_Villa"
Can I be the first to welcome everyone to page 73  \:D/


Sadly, no.


I didn't see you making anyone feel welcome. Just a blunt and sadly depressing post was what greeted everyone to this page. Luckily I managed to turn it around and make everyone feel warm and fuzzy again  \:D/
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 06:58:49 AM
Quote from: "Chicago_Villa"
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Chicago_Villa"
Can I be the first to welcome everyone to page 73  \:D/


Sadly, no.


I didn't see you making anyone feel welcome. Just a blunt and sadly depressing post was what greeted everyone to this page. Luckily I managed to turn it around and make everyone feel warm and fuzzy again  \:D/


Actually, you're right. May I cast thee behind me Satan and welcome the world with anew found sense of light, warmth, and togetherness. Lg, come back ol' son. VFC? ah well. Boys will be boys. Chicago, I thank you.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Harte on October 28, 2005, 08:18:40 AM
Can I join the queue to tell Pete Winters to seek more gainful employment because what he does at the moment clearly is not keeping him suitably occupied?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chicago_Villa on October 28, 2005, 08:20:42 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Actually, you're right. May I cast thee behind me Satan and welcome the world with anew found sense of light, warmth, and togetherness. Lg, come back ol' son. VFC? ah well. Boys will be boys. Chicago, I thank you.


My child, you are forgiven  O:)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 28, 2005, 08:23:05 AM
Looks like the boy Peter will get his ton.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 08:32:36 AM
Damn straight.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2005, 08:32:36 AM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
Looks like the boy Peter will get his ton.


And you can't say he doesn't deserve it. He's just kept his head down in a Chris Tavare kind of a way, steadily accumulating while allowing those at the other end to play a more expansive game.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Matt G on October 28, 2005, 08:42:15 AM
He'll only make the ton by plodding away posting to himself though!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: bobcat on October 28, 2005, 08:49:42 AM
Shall we talk about something controversial to keep it going for him?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 08:58:17 AM
You see any decent team needs somebody who can keep his end up. I've seen you all playing the exciting stuff down the other end, and one by one you've gone. Some call it boring I grant you. But just look at my average, JSUT LOOK AT MY AVERAGE!!!!!!!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2005, 08:59:21 AM
Share price has fallen another 5p.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 09:03:51 AM
Could tha be because its settling back down to its proper price as most people on buying to make a quick profit now. Whether Doug is in talks with people or not, the share price will fluctuate due to it beinga lenghty process.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2005, 09:05:11 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Could tha be because its settling back down to its proper price as most people on buying to make a quick profit now. Whether Doug is in talks with people or not, the share price will fluctuate due to it beinga lenghty process.


It's not fluctuating, it's dropping like a stone.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 28, 2005, 09:06:29 AM
Quick run there....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 09:07:17 AM
It went up following  Doug saying he was in talks. There's been a lull so now they're dropping. That's fluctuation in the market place. No?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2005, 09:11:55 AM
Do any of you capitalist running dogs actually understand the stock market or are you just guessing?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: bobcat on October 28, 2005, 09:12:53 AM
Quote
It went up following Doug saying he was in talks. There's been a lull so now they're dropping. That's fluctuation in the market place. No?


I have a theory that rather than reliquish control in one big take over Doug is maximising he profits by selling a few shares at a time.

Every now and again he gives the press just enough of a rumour for them to print a take over story then as the share price rises sells off a few then releases a statement denying the rumours.

He will stay in control till he's in his box, then we'll find out that at the time of his death he only actually owned 4% of the club.

Just a theory mind.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 09:16:58 AM
By the way, we've got the cricket team out here now. They were in the bar last night and will be again tonight. According to Michael Vaughan they'll be there most nights. Any tips that you think I should take on how to plod my way to this ton?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2005, 09:17:22 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
It went up following  Doug saying he was in talks. There's been a lull so now they're dropping. That's fluctuation in the market place. No?


It's a steady decline because investors don't believe it's going to happen is my opinion.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "peter w"
It went up following  Doug saying he was in talks. There's been a lull so now they're dropping. That's fluctuation in the market place. No?


It's a steady decline because investors don't believe it's going to happen is my opinion.


But surely the same way it goes opward markedly at the suggestion of a sale, then it will drop too when it doesn't happen immediately. A take over doesn't happen in one or two weeks it can take months. Surely, this is the share price finding its true value. The investors aren't going to but at £5 a share are they. If they are then they're not exactly dripping with business acumen. It would be wiser for the preice to drop and then they can get more for their money.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 28, 2005, 09:23:56 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "peter w"
It went up following  Doug saying he was in talks. There's been a lull so now they're dropping. That's fluctuation in the market place. No?


It's a steady decline because investors don't believe it's going to happen is my opinion.


I'm not arguing but doesn't the share price change sometimes simply to "drum up buisness"?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 28, 2005, 09:28:42 AM
Right thats me done until Monday. Please make sure this is on 98 or 99 whence I return and I can hold my bat aloft triumphantly....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2005, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: "Mac"


I'm not arguing but doesn't the share price change sometimes simply to "drum up buisness"?


How?  The share price isn't decided upon by the club, it's down to market forces.  People are selling their shares, which isn't usually what you'd expect prior to a takeover.  (Obviously the main owner has to sell their shares during a takeover, before any smart arse points that out!)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 28, 2005, 09:33:16 AM
The "market people".  I know that sounds vague because my understanding of it is vague.

But sometimes the jump in Villa's share price simply does not reflect the volumes of shares traded.
(http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/380/share1ir.png)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: the weatherman on October 28, 2005, 09:35:10 AM
Yes, i think people are beginning to think that its not gonna happen - not for a good while yet.

Herbert is looking remarkably healthy at the moment compared with a few months ago.

He seems to have taken a real hands on approach (as per usual) with the construction of the training ground.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2005, 09:42:15 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Mac"


I'm not arguing but doesn't the share price change sometimes simply to "drum up buisness"?


How?  The share price isn't decided upon by the club, it's down to market forces.  People are selling their shares, which isn't usually what you'd expect prior to a takeover.  (Obviously the main owner has to sell their shares during a takeover, before any smart arse points that out!)


As was pointed out elsewhere it's only on small volumes and as Nick Lees noted:

Quote
Given that Petchey has such a huge number of shares mostly bought at the £1-£2 level, if the takeover was looking dead in the water I'd be suprised if he didn't let a small percentage go to take some profit while the going was good, and he clearly hasn't.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 28, 2005, 09:42:55 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
People are selling their shares, which isn't usually what you'd expect prior to a takeover.

Conversely, somebody is buying those shares, no?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2005, 09:47:15 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"

Quote
Given that Petchey has such a huge number of shares mostly bought at the £1-£2 level, if the takeover was looking dead in the water I'd be suprised if he didn't let a small percentage go to take some profit while the going was good, and he clearly hasn't.


Yeah because Petchey is really going to be that concerned about a few quid isn't he?  He knows that one day, we'll be taken over, and his investment will pay big dividends, until then he'll sit tight.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2005, 10:01:40 AM
I asked this a few posts ago.

Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Do any of you capitalist running dogs actually understand the stock market or are you just guessing?


I think the exchange above shows that so far none of us that have posted on the topic have the slightest clue what we are talking about. No change there then, carry on. :smt002
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 28, 2005, 10:06:09 AM
I always thought share price was driven by supply and demand.  Pure economics in action.

However somebody (oh alright, Mark Ansell) told me that frequently the market will re-value the price simply to stimulate trading.  How I don't know.

Of course this could be complete crap.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2005, 10:06:39 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"

I think the exchange above shows that so far none of us that have posted on the topic have the slightest clue what we are talking about. No change there then, carry on. :smt002


Speak for yourself!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2005, 10:11:47 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"

I think the exchange above shows that so far none of us that have posted on the topic have the slightest clue what we are talking about. No change there then, carry on. :smt002


Speak for yourself!


I speak for all Villa fans.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2005, 10:16:13 AM
I've worked out why Laughing Gravity hasn't been back to entertain us. He's been moonlighting as a speech writer for the President of Iran.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4384264.stm
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 28, 2005, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I speak for all Villa fans.


I've got to say it.......

 
Who died and made you Jon Fear? :smt002
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 10:22:46 AM
Good morning everyone.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 28, 2005, 10:24:47 AM
Tish and pish to you all.
'Tis I that speak for all Villa fans, I have the common touch, I come from a council estate background and I never get out the bath to have a piss.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 28, 2005, 10:27:26 AM
Surely the biggest indication that a take over wasn’t going to happen was Robobum saying it was.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bren'd on October 28, 2005, 10:29:44 AM
My captialist two penneth....

Share price rises as speculators get wind of possible takeover.  Buying activity drives price up, club makes it known to city that there's been an enquiry, price rises further, everybody holds their breath, and hold it a little longer, no news from the club or the city, speculators get bored and go off and play somewhere else.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Surely the biggest indication that a take over wasn’t going to happen was Robobum saying it was.


To be fair to him, he's very good at saying Doug's about to step down. I make this the sixth time he's done it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 28, 2005, 10:45:53 AM
page 62!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 10:49:24 AM
Blimey this thread is nearly as old as Doug.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 28, 2005, 10:56:10 AM
http://www.entertainers.co.uk/star-comedians/duncan-norvelle.htm

If everybody who has contributed to this thread chipped in we could book him for a Questions and Answers session perhaps at the Bartons and find out once and for all.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
page 62!


I prefer page 54. What's everyone else's favourite page?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 28, 2005, 11:00:36 AM
Page 62, its where the rules are.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bren'd on October 28, 2005, 11:02:48 AM
Which page(s) called for bans to be dished out left right and centre?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 28, 2005, 11:04:03 AM
I'm a fan of page 50 for the simple fact that bukkake was introduced for no reason what so ever and also 51 as it's the beginning of LG's fall into madness.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 11:04:25 AM
Simon is my favourite Page.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: "Bren_d"
Which page(s) called for bans to be dished out left right and centre?


Most of them until You Know Who left us.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 11:05:13 AM
Shhhh, don't say it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 11:06:11 AM
Quote from: "Drummond"
Simon is my favourite Page.


No, his mum's much nicer and his dad has that trait of eccentricity so prevalent amongst the English upper classes.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 28, 2005, 11:06:15 AM
Quote from: "Big Daddy p 23"
...and also 51 as it's the beginning of LG's fall into madness.


That was actually 1976.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 28, 2005, 11:07:08 AM
which page was the bit about VFC?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 11:08:28 AM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
which page was the bit about VFC?


None of it. You must be thinking of another thread.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 28, 2005, 11:08:39 AM
Well, we can easily get the banning requests back.

I want everyone who contributed to this thread after Laughing Gravity left banned for making purposeless inflammatory posts.

It is not intended to allow personal attacks (be it on individuals, groups of individuals or other forums), rudeness, insulting posts or purposeless inflammatory posts.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 11:10:09 AM
I would like to say that any inflammatory remarks I have made have been very purposeful.

You idiots
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 28, 2005, 11:11:30 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
Well, we can easily get the banning requests back.

I want everyone who contributed to this thread after Laughing Gravity left banned for making purposeless inflammatory posts.

It is intended to allow personal attacks (be it on individuals, groups of individuals or other forums), rudeness, insulting posts or purposeless inflammatory posts.


you miss read it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2005, 11:12:28 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
Well, we can easily get the banning requests back.

I want everyone who contributed to this thread after Laughing Gravity left banned for making purposeless inflammatory posts.

It is not intended to allow personal attacks (be it on individuals, groups of individuals or other forums), rudeness, insulting posts or purposeless inflammatory posts.


I can assure you that any inflamatory remarks I have made have been for a purpose. That purpose being to inflame the situation.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 28, 2005, 11:13:07 AM
I'm disappointed with Laughing Gravy, he declined my offer to bum him senseless.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
I'm disappointed with Laughing Gravy, he declined my offer to bum him senseless.


Yes, it's a real puzzle that one.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 28, 2005, 11:20:01 AM
this will never make 100 pages.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 28, 2005, 11:20:09 AM
talking about shares for a mo' (sorry)  - blessed are the market makers -

Market-makers are a sort of necessary parasitic factor. They make their money over short term trades - (hoping to) make a profit on a turn in share price, or on the difference between the bid and offer price.

So if someone wants to sell their Villa shares, the market maker buys 'em hoping to quickly sell them on himself, making a (small) profit.

They will have done really well when the price was shooting up, but will be suffering now.

So in effect people can sell their shares, even when there are no real buyers out there - as the market makers have to buy them (I think they have to, anyway).

Capitalism is quite complicated really, innit?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Big Daddy p 23 on October 28, 2005, 11:29:07 AM
If nothing happens over the next month or so concerning the takeover, what sort of protests and statements can we expect from the VFC?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 11:29:24 AM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
I'm disappointed with Laughing Gravy, he declined my offer to bum him senseless.


So he's not completely stupid then.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2005, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: "Drummond"
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
I'm disappointed with Laughing Gravy, he declined my offer to bum him senseless.


So he's not completely stupid then.


That sounds like the voice of bitter experience.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 11:37:26 AM
Well I know he was angling for it but really I'm just not his type.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 28, 2005, 12:03:57 PM
Why is Pete Bland trying to get this back on topic?
He should be banned!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 12:12:04 PM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
I'm disappointed with Laughing Gravy, he declined my offer to bum him senseless.


I once shagged a girl senseless.

Well, I say senseless, I shagged her till she went numb, so thats kinda 'sense-less' I guess?

well, OK, I shagged her and she said she couldn't feel it, but that's the same thing right?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 28, 2005, 12:12:56 PM
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Thank you for the gays,
Those endless gays, those sacred gays you gave me.
I’m thinking of the gays,
I won’t forget a single gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that lights on you believe me.
And though you’re gone,
You’re with me every single gay, believe me.

Gays I’ll remember all my life,
Gays when you can’t see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you’d leave me,
But it’s all right,
Now I’m not frightened of this world, believe me.

I wish today could be tomorrow,
The night is dark,
It just brings sorrow anyway.

Thank you for the gays,
Those endless gays, those sacred gays you gave me.
I’m thinking of the gays,
I won’t forget a single gay, believe me.

Gays I’ll remember all my life,
Gays when you can’t see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you’d leave me,
But it’s all right,
Now I’m not frightened of this world, believe me.
Gays.

Thank you for the gays,
Those endless gays, those sacred gays you gave me.
I’m thinking of the gays,
I won’t forget a single gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you’re gone,
You’re with me every single gay, believe me.
Gays.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 28, 2005, 12:24:59 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Ray Davies of The Kinks, CBE and Dave Davies of The Kinks (Honour pending?) are the latest celebrities to join the campaigning organisation Stars for Mooney and they are teaming up with Elton John, Will Young, the gay one from Westlife, H from Steps and Steven Gately to release a single to promote the cause closest to John Mooney’s heart.  


Thank you for the gays,
Those endless gays, those sacred gays you gave me.
I’m thinking of the gays,
I won’t forget a single gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that lights on you believe me.
And though you’re gone,
You’re with me every single gay, believe me.

Gays I’ll remember all my life,
Gays when you can’t see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you’d leave me,
But it’s all right,
Now I’m not frightened of this world, believe me.

I wish today could be tomorrow,
The night is dark,
It just brings sorrow anyway.

Thank you for the gays,
Those endless gays, those sacred gays you gave me.
I’m thinking of the gays,
I won’t forget a single gay, believe me.

Gays I’ll remember all my life,
Gays when you can’t see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you’d leave me,
But it’s all right,
Now I’m not frightened of this world, believe me.
Gays.

Thank you for the gays,
Those endless gays, those sacred gays you gave me.
I’m thinking of the gays,
I won’t forget a single gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you’re gone,
You’re with me every single gay, believe me.
Gays.


Bummer
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: pete bland on October 28, 2005, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
Why is Pete Bland trying to get this back on topic?
He should be banned!


Seconded.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 28, 2005, 12:38:56 PM
Morning all!  Anything happen?

No, thought not.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 28, 2005, 01:24:20 PM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
Why is Pete Bland trying to get this back on topic?
He should be banned!


Shouldn't that be Blanned?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 01:29:19 PM
78, Welcome.

And it brings up my 1500th post!  :smt038  :smt023
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 01:32:21 PM
Blimey, what a waste that was!

It should have been something more dramatic, like the Mitchell's arriving and saying "'ello Mum"
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 28, 2005, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: "usav"
Morning all!  Anything happen?

No, thought not.


Just because we haven’t shot Ray Davies of The Kinks, CBE it doesn’t mean nothing’s happening.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 01:40:30 PM
Getting back on topic, I have to say I am worried about my Villa future yes, I just don't think I am going to get in the team and may have to look for a move.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2005, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: "Drummond"
Getting back on topic, I have to say I am worried about my Villa future yes, I just don't think I am going to get in the team and may have to look for a move.


Given our luck with injuries, I'd stay put for the time being.....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Drummond"
Getting back on topic, I have to say I am worried about my Villa future yes, I just don't think I am going to get in the team and may have to look for a move.


Given our luck with injuries, I'd stay put for the time being.....


But I play in Midfield.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2005, 01:48:28 PM
Quote from: "Drummond"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Drummond"
Getting back on topic, I have to say I am worried about my Villa future yes, I just don't think I am going to get in the team and may have to look for a move.


Given our luck with injuries, I'd stay put for the time being.....


But I play in Midfield.


You're probably in better shape than Gareth Barry.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: adrenachrome on October 28, 2005, 02:06:25 PM
Quote from: "Risso"


You're probably in better shape than Gareth Barry.


So what you are saying is young Gareth is wider in the beam than Hilary Clinton.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 28, 2005, 02:14:20 PM
As an emeritus professor at the University of Gay Mafia Studies, isn’t John Mooney a world acclaimed expert on young men’s bottoms?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Javu on October 28, 2005, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
As an emeritus professor at the University of Gay Mafia Studies, isn’t John Mooney a world acclaimed expert on young men’s bottoms?


Only when they start repeatedly dripping.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2005, 02:33:56 PM
Shares down another 5p......

I think Doug needs to invent another interested party.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 28, 2005, 02:43:00 PM
With four trades today and a total of 1484 shares changing hands, I don't see reason to panic.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2005, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
With four trades today and a total of 1484 shares changing hands, I don't see reason to panic.


Since when did this lot like need a reason. I wouldn't want them on my side next time I have to face the Fuzzy-Wuzzies.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 28, 2005, 02:52:27 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
With four trades today and a total of 1484 shares changing hands, I don't see reason to panic.


Since when did this lot like need a reason. I wouldn't want them on my side next time I have to face the Fuzzy-Wuzzies.


You’re right.  Unlike John Mooney, they just don’t like it up them.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 03:01:28 PM
I'm trying to think of something interesting, witty and relevant, but for some reason I'm struggling this afternoon.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 28, 2005, 03:38:07 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
I'm trying to think of something interesting, witty and relevant, but for some reason I'm struggling this afternoon.


Who's going to tell him?  :-
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 03:41:44 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
I'm trying to think of something interesting, witty and relevant, but for some reason I'm struggling this afternoon.


Who's going to tell him?  :-


I was going to suggest he should spend the afternoon doing something where noone would notice, like writing the next issue of H&V.

But I thought better of it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 04:28:12 PM
Quote from: "Smithy"


I was going to suggest he should spend the afternoon doing something where noone would notice, like writing the next issue of H&V.

But I thought better of it.


I think the thousands who buy it might notice.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 28, 2005, 04:40:13 PM
Struggling through the 70's here. Needs picking up a bit.

How many subscribers are there Dave?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 28, 2005, 04:41:18 PM
And what are their names?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 28, 2005, 04:42:21 PM
Is this the biggest thread ever for H&V?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 28, 2005, 04:42:35 PM
Are any of them gay.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 28, 2005, 04:43:17 PM
Quote from: "Lee"
Is this the biggest thread ever for H&V?


no
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 28, 2005, 04:43:53 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
Quote from: "Lee"
Is this the biggest thread ever for H&V?


no


Must be close.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2005, 04:44:54 PM
Quote from: "Smithy"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
I'm trying to think of something interesting, witty and relevant, but for some reason I'm struggling this afternoon.


Who's going to tell him?  :-


I was going to suggest he should spend the afternoon doing something where noone would notice, like writing the next issue of H&V.

But I thought better of it.


Like he writes any of it himself.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 28, 2005, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
Quote from: "Lee"
Is this the biggest thread ever for H&V?


no


What is then?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 04:50:01 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Like he writes any of it himself.


You mean like all successful multimedia moguls he's mastered the art of delegation?  

I'm stunned.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: CillaBlack on October 28, 2005, 04:52:17 PM
I haven't read this thread since page 4. Did I miss anything?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 04:54:25 PM
How many pages did the Barton's thread reach?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 28, 2005, 04:54:39 PM
HAIRY PISSFLAPS!
Can any of our posters trump that?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 28, 2005, 04:55:49 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
How many pages did the Barton's thread reach?


Less than this one.

My Ashes thread would've reached 100 if the old board hadn't crashed Blah blah.  :-({|=
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 04:59:28 PM
What about c*** night?

Which can be a reply to most questions on here.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
How many pages did the Barton's thread reach?


Less than this one.

My Ashes thread would've reached 100 if the old board hadn't crashed Blah blah.  :-({|=


Oh no it wouldn't
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 28, 2005, 05:03:06 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
What about c*** night?



Teh best thread ever.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 28, 2005, 05:04:18 PM
Was that the infamous 03/3/03 match? Anyone got a link?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 05:06:37 PM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
Was that the infamous 03/3/03 match? Anyone got a link?


Lost amongst our many changes, I'm afraid. We could always ask the perpetrator to re-record it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
HAIRY PISSFLAPS!
Can any of our posters trump that?


what about

dig up a badger and bum it  exclam.
Phrase used when in a state of extreme sexual frustration. 'I tell you what, Una. I'm that horny I'd happily dig up a badger and bum it.'

Yes, I'm a big fan of the profanisaurus
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 28, 2005, 05:08:10 PM
Quote
Lost amongst our many changes, I'm afraid. We could always ask the perpetrator to re-record it.


We could have a tribute thread?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 28, 2005, 05:16:52 PM
Quote from: "Smithy"
Quote from: "mark fletcher"
HAIRY PISSFLAPS!
Can any of our posters trump that?


what about

dig up a badger and bum it  exclam.
Phrase used when in a state of extreme sexual frustration. 'I tell you what, Una. I'm that horny I'd happily dig up a badger and bum it.'

Yes, I'm a big fan of the profanisaurus


KEITH HARRIS, DO A. To get your hand so far up a woman's hole, you could make her mouth move.
HUNCHIE. A particuarly difficult turd that leaves one contorted like a constipated Labrador in the park.
COUNCIL SUITCASE. Binliner.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on October 28, 2005, 05:21:54 PM
I need a copy of the profanisaurus.

By the way, did you know that somebody is selling a used merkin on ebay?

Merkin (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Skin-Jewellery-Butterfly-Merkin-by-J-Maskrey_W0QQitemZ5047586100QQcategoryZ98863QQtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 28, 2005, 05:24:45 PM
Quote from: "Chris_Jephcott"
I need a copy of the profanisaurus.

By the way, did you know that somebody is selling a used merkin on ebay?



Could have just used an old Brillo pad.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 05:24:53 PM
beetle bonnet  n.
Female pubic mound as viewed through tight pants, or when shaven. From the design of the classic VW car. See also camel's toe

carpenter's dream   n.
Sexually promiscuous woman. As in: "Flat as a board, and easy to screw".

clam smacker   n.
Lesbian; bean flicker.

yabba dabbas   n.

The climactic stages of intercourse which immediately precede the dooooooos! The vinegar strokes.

I fear we may have drifted slightly off-topic...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: "Smithy"


I fear we may have drifted slightly off-topic...



....which has never happened before.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 05:26:28 PM
Quote from: "Chris_Jephcott"
I need a copy of the profanisaurus.


an online version is available chris...

http://www.viz.co.uk/profanisaurus/profan_index.php
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 05:27:27 PM
Does anyone talk about football on here anymore?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Smithy"


I fear we may have drifted slightly off-topic...


....which has never happened before.


Would someone care to check back and see how many times the subject has been changed? Bags not.

I would hazard a guess at 30...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: joe_c on October 28, 2005, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote
Lost amongst our many changes, I'm afraid. We could always ask the perpetrator to re-record it.


We could have a tribute thread?


This is not the greatest thread in the world.
No, no. This is just a tribute.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 05:31:25 PM
this thread really is going downhill now.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 28, 2005, 05:32:49 PM
Quote from: "Drummond"
this thread really is going downhill now.


Yes, but we're in the 80's, just a few good boundaries from a memorable century.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2005, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: "Drummond"
this thread really is going downhill now.


It's become too self conscious, it's turning into a thread about a thread.

Would you say the thread was inconsistent?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: "Drummond"
this thread really is going downhill now.


So you're saying we're past it at 81?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 28, 2005, 05:36:18 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Drummond"
this thread really is going downhill now.


It's become too self conscious, it's turning into a thread about a thread.

Would you say the thread was inconsistent?


No, it's just not as good as it should be.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 05:37:36 PM
Perhaps to bring it back on-topic we could all say whether, in one word (or less),  we're worried about Villa's future?

Personally, no.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"

Would you say the thread was inconsistent?


Yes, consistently.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 05:39:27 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Drummond"
this thread really is going downhill now.


So you're saying we're past it at 81?


This thread has as much get up and go in it as it had 30 pages ago.  In fact it's still covering all possible areas of interest, and refuses to let other threads have any new topics, preferring to keep all possible topics under it's direct influence.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 05:44:15 PM
It seems to me that one or two troublemakers and egotists are looking to set up a pressure group to get this thread to close.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
that would be a travesty, look at what this thread has done for YOU!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 05:47:36 PM
I wonder how many man-hours have been lost to British industry by this thread?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 05:55:22 PM
Not enough, there is plenty of life in this thread yet. I would think this will be quoted alongside official govt figures at the end of the year.

Alcohol caused 3.6 million lost working days in the last year, smoking was even worse (although that bloody ban certainly reduced it) and that in turn was second only to that thread on H+V which caused an awful lot more!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2005, 05:56:01 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
It seems to me that one or two troublemakers and egotists are looking to set up a pressure group to get this thread to close.


Like the Windmill, it will never close.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 06:06:03 PM
As this thread falls from the top of the charts it seems to me that some posters have been using it on a purely speculative basis, in order to get a short term 'return' on their post count.  Perhaps the high points of yesterday and earlier today were not indicative of its real value?

If nothing else, this thread has convinced me that it's a sound investment for my post count in the short, medium and long term.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2005, 06:08:56 PM
Quote
If nothing else, this thread has convinced me that it's a sound investment for my post count in the short, medium and long term.


So as a fan of this thread you have no worries about its future. Is that just a personal view or do you speak on behalf of all supporters of the thread?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 28, 2005, 06:10:43 PM
I speak on behalf of me.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: usav on October 28, 2005, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
I wonder how many man-hours have been lost to British industry by this thread?


Amongst the tea breaks, fag breaks, extended lunch breaks and water cooler breaks, I don't think management will be sweating too much.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 06:18:20 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote
If nothing else, this thread has convinced me that it's a sound investment for my post count in the short, medium and long term.


So as a fan of this thread you have no worries about its future. Is that just a personal view or do you speak on behalf of all supporters of the thread?


I have no worries about this thread.  Sure, its had a bad afternoon, it's not been well, everyone knows that, but I'm just so delighted to see it so smiley wiley now.  You can see how happy it is now that the post count has resumed its former glorious level.  This post is for the thread, which has been honest with me from day one, and has never lied about what subjects I'd have to comment on.

This gesture is just my way of paying tribute to that.  If that gets me in trouble with the authorities then I'll appeal.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SteveR on October 28, 2005, 06:27:52 PM
Quote
Perhaps to bring it back on-topic we could all say whether, in one word (or less), we're worried about Villa's future?


possibly
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2005, 06:37:54 PM
I think this thread has done as well as could be expected. Obviously it hasn't had the benefit of being backed as much as some other threads, and we haven't been able to bring in the sort of posters we'd like, but what we've had has been an honest bunch of posts.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 28, 2005, 06:44:22 PM
I also wish people wouldn't keep harping on about the success of this thread 20 pages ago, those posters have long since gone and it's up to us to revive it and put it back amongs the elite European posts.

We cannot keep living off the glory of past posts.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 28, 2005, 06:50:35 PM
Due to the lack of ambition seen recently on this thread, I'm going to set up a protest group; it will be called VFC - Villa Forums Chastised.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Red Robbo on October 28, 2005, 06:55:44 PM
I think this thread is looking a bit peaky, it needs a bypass.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Warren Aspinall on October 28, 2005, 06:58:42 PM
I warren aspinall would like to apologise to all said thread posters for only contributing meekly to this thread,I hereby promise to contribute fairly so that said thread receives a telegram from the queen on the occasion of it's hundredth page.
                                  yours sincerely
   
                                                 Warren

P.S.I will not use it just to get my post count up :-
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 28, 2005, 07:04:11 PM
It will fade and die in the 90's.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
I speak on behalf of me.


What does me have to say about that? Did me get a say in in your self opinionated, self appointed role as official spokesperson for me or did you see me as a vehicle for your own ends?

If you ask me I think its a bit rich.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
It will fade and die in the 90's.


As if our Islamabad correspondent will let that happen.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 28, 2005, 07:20:11 PM
Quote from: "Drummond"
Quote from: "Legion"
I speak on behalf of me.


What does me have to say about that? Did me get a say in in your self opinionated, self appointed role as official spokesperson for me or did you see me as a vehicle for your own ends?

If you ask me I think its a bit rich.


I hope you agree with me. If you don't, you're probably right!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: joe_c on October 28, 2005, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
It will fade and die in the 90's.


The politics thread is on off topic Legion. Oh, hang on. You are talking about Conservatism aren't you?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Warren Aspinall on October 28, 2005, 07:23:01 PM
Just a little post to see if the thread is alive & well
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 28, 2005, 07:24:01 PM
I much prefer Surrealism:

Ah! how the play of light upon your shoulders does bring one to reminisce of fallen lighthorsemen and gaseous trenches.

http://www.madsci.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/~lynn/jardin/SCG/
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 07:25:06 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
I much prefer Surrealism:


How many surrealists does it take to change a lightbulb?












Fish
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Warren Aspinall on October 28, 2005, 07:38:11 PM
Would I be correct in the assumption that the fans are no longer worried about villa's future & are now putting all there efforts in towards reviving this thread.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 28, 2005, 07:42:23 PM
This thread is essential to the survival of AVFC.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
This thread is essential to the survival of AVFC.


Just as well you didn't miss out the last 'A'
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Warren Aspinall on October 28, 2005, 07:55:25 PM
Quote from: "Drummond"
Quote from: "Legion"
This thread is essential to the survival of AVFC.


Just as well you didn't miss out the last 'A'


if he missed out the last 'A' would he have sent out a press release blaming ellis for missing out said letter 'A'.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: kipeye on October 28, 2005, 08:07:28 PM
The V would have walked out in protest.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Red Robbo on October 28, 2005, 08:29:39 PM
So VFC is Naz and Fear? Hey, great weather.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Warren Aspinall on October 28, 2005, 08:43:37 PM
Don't you think that the name FEAR invokes negativity just by saying it,maybe he should change his name to John Tear,so that we all would then feel sorry for him.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 28, 2005, 08:48:29 PM
There's a bloke called The Tear that runs VFT - Villa Fans Together
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lizz on October 28, 2005, 08:53:00 PM
I feel a need to contribute to the life of this thread  :-

The future's the only thing we can worry about, we can't worry about the past ](*,)

Which brings to mind the most vomit inducing e-mail signature I've ever seen:

Yesterday is history
Tomorrow is a mystery
Today is a gift, that's why we call it the present  ](*,)

Wonder how difficult it is to get a job at Hallmark  #-o
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 28, 2005, 08:53:33 PM
How about John Beer? Someone who everyone can have a laugh and a good time with? Would be great for morale.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Warren Aspinall on October 28, 2005, 08:54:40 PM
VFC/VFT this is reminding me of that scene in monty python's-life of brian,where they are arguing with brian over whether they are the judian people's front or the people's front of judia.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 28, 2005, 09:00:11 PM
That connotation has been used countless times. Still funny (in it's original context), though!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave on October 28, 2005, 09:02:38 PM
I think it was even touched on in Risso's 'Site Rules' somewhere around Page 66.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 28, 2005, 11:05:33 PM
Some people are posting on this thread for no reason whatsoever.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 28, 2005, 11:05:54 PM
Not long to go now!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 28, 2005, 11:39:33 PM
Just thought I would let you know it's Friday.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: adrenachrome on October 28, 2005, 11:58:59 PM
Disco Oscar would be well advised to ease up on the lampooning of Looney "Lizards" O'Mooney.

I have it on good authority that his erstwhile stalker, Poison Ivy aka "Bimbo". is  on the warpath.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 29, 2005, 12:19:00 AM
I just read through about 15 pages of this thread and Laughing Gravity hadn't posted once. Why is this?
Has he been kidnapped by the Fairies at the bottom of his garden again? O:)
There are important questions that need answering.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Harte on October 29, 2005, 12:25:11 AM
Quote from: "JD"
I just read through about 15 pages of this thread and Laughing Gravity hadn't posted once. Why is this?
Has he been kidnapped by the Fairies at the bottom of his garden again? O:)
There are important questions that need answering.

I've sent some space aliens to abduct him while he sleeps. They'll perform some sick, depraved and downright pervy experiments on him, all in the name of human being research. These will leave him trumatised, scared of cows, with strange, unexplainable but temporary imprints on his limbs and a funny walk...

Oh, and pregnant...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 29, 2005, 12:30:13 AM
Excellent, but I bet it will be the fault of the Moderators for not banning the Alien probes.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on October 29, 2005, 01:54:49 AM
damn those alien probes.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SteveR on October 29, 2005, 02:14:03 AM
Meanwhile, back in  Huddersfield (http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=13&t=001641)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 29, 2005, 03:49:08 AM
Unbelievable! Was the Dog an Alien with a probe, by any chance?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Karlos96 on October 29, 2005, 05:32:59 AM
Just been ploughing through this thread all very entertaining great for insomniacs like me.  Need to keep it going so Peter can get his ton on the early hours of Monday morning.  I haven't posted on this so far, well I don't think I have seems so long ago now.  So I will just post something random just for the hell of it, from the late, great Bill Hicks:-

The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we kill those people.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Matt G on October 29, 2005, 08:32:26 AM
All these pages, and I'm still worried about the future of Villa!  Did you know that Doug invented the Bicycle Kick?  He's a mean tennis player as well  :smt002
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: martin@ardenley on October 29, 2005, 08:37:05 AM
All i did was post a comment by VFC  #-o
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 29, 2005, 09:15:12 AM
So it's YOUR fault!!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 29, 2005, 10:48:01 AM
Seen on BBC Ceefax’s 338 rumours page:

Aston Villa fans group VFC is on the verge of collapse following an acrimonious internal dispute.

It’s reported a fight nearly broke out at the group’s last meeting when it became apparent that one leading member had forgotten to tape the previous night’s Emmerdale Farm as promised.

The group is to hold a crisis meeting over the weekend but a source close to VFC said, “It’s not the first time this has happened and I can’t see how we can solve a problem of this magnitude and get on with the job of noting things with interest and issuing pointless press releases at the most inappropriate times”.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 29, 2005, 11:46:16 AM
Quote from: "Lizz"
I feel a need to contribute to the life of this thread  :-

The future's the only thing we can worry about, we can't worry about the past ](*,)

Which brings to mind the most vomit inducing e-mail signature I've ever seen:

Yesterday is history
Tomorrow is a mystery
Today is a gift, that's why we call it the present  ](*,)

Wonder how difficult it is to get a job at Hallmark  #-o


Tomorrow's almost over,  
Today went by so fast,
Is the only thing to look
forward to - the past?'
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 29, 2005, 12:42:49 PM
Quote from: "martin@ardenley"
All i did was post a comment by VFC  #-o


Well god help us if you ever post a comment by anyone of any importance.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: GaryShaw on October 29, 2005, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
There's a bloke called The Tear that runs VFT - Villa Fans Together


Is this the fella? (http://villafanstogether.5u.com/vft)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 29, 2005, 02:12:36 PM
Quote from: "GaryShaw"
Quote from: "Mac"
There's a bloke called The Tear that runs VFT - Villa Fans Together


Is this the fella? (http://villafanstogether.5u.com/vft)


Hmmm, I'm all for a bit of a piss take, but surely the first rule is to make it funny?  That's just poor, and isn't fit to lick the boots of some of the comments on this thread.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: bobcat on October 29, 2005, 08:13:26 PM
Is it 85 and out then?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Eigentor on October 29, 2005, 08:14:23 PM
The odd half-arsed pisstake is fine. But when you are bothered to start a website, it looks to obsessive.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on October 29, 2005, 08:29:19 PM
still going... slowly though!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 29, 2005, 08:32:19 PM
Wait until Monday when Peter Winters returns!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 30, 2005, 12:54:38 AM
Quote from: "Eigentor"
The odd half-arsed pisstake is fine. But when you are bothered to start a website, it looks to obsessive.


Internet and obsessive behaviour linked. Now there's a shocker.

Not sure if I have to act as a runner for Mr Islamabad while I'm on nights.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: joe_c on October 30, 2005, 01:12:51 AM
The Comer rumours spread but they didn't tell this thread
Did you honestly think that they would?

Bah. That doesn't work. At all. And only Dave Cooper and Mac will get it. Bah.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 30, 2005, 04:36:59 AM
The injured but valiant Peter Winters is currently using a runner, but I am sure he will battle through all the adversity and achieve the ton.

Let's all keep supporting this great effort. Go Peter.  O:)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 30, 2005, 11:26:19 AM
VFC spokesman John Mooney has revealed that the group is worried about its own future following reports of a proposed takeover of Aston Villa Football Club.

The group’s deputy chairman said, “VFC only has two aims – the removal of Doug Ellis from Villa Park and the return of the late Joe Sugden to Emmerdale Farm.

“It’s clear that with Deadly Doug gone from the Villa the chances of getting the names of VFC spokesmen in the papers will be seriously diminished.  It will be a very sad day for VFC and our three supporters.

“In one way it will be good to get rid of Ellis, who has been at Villa for over twenty years, because he has never once publicly denied that the holocaust took place or used his position to condemn the Gay Mafia.  Hopefully, the new chairman will be more in tune the views of the seriously deranged.

Mr Mooney would not comment on speculation that the ailing VFC is to merge with the secretive religious group Opus Dei.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 30, 2005, 11:39:30 AM
Quote
The group’s deputy chairman said, “VFC only a... aims  ... the  return of Joe Sugden to Emmerdale Farm.


I am now a fully committed supporter of VFC and all of it's pro-Emmerdale objectives. Robert Sugden has recently left the show leaving too few real Sugdens in this flagship drama.

However, a note of caution, This week sees the death and funeral of fans favourite Seth Armstrong and any pro-Sugden protests would, in my opinion, be is poor taste during this emotional period.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 30, 2005, 11:50:22 AM
Your note of caution over Seth is noted with interest but as his death has already been hijacked as a shameless opportunity to bring back Kathy after her failed attempt to conquer Hollywood, your post will no doubt be viewed as yet another effort to stifle the VFC community’s right to free speech.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 30, 2005, 12:47:16 PM
Quote from: "joe_c"
The Comer rumours spread but they didn't tell this thread
Did you honestly think that they would?

Bah. That doesn't work. At all. And only Dave Cooper and Mac will get it. Bah.



 It works fine, and yes I did get it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Andy Poole on October 30, 2005, 02:00:10 PM
Chris Harte wrote
Quote
JD wrote:
I just read through about 15 pages of this thread and Laughing Gravity hadn't posted once. Why is this?
Has he been kidnapped by the Fairies at the bottom of his garden again?  
There are important questions that need answering.

I've sent some space aliens to abduct him while he sleeps. They'll perform some sick, depraved and downright pervy experiments on him, all in the name of human being research. These will leave him trumatised, scared of cows, with strange, unexplainable but temporary imprints on his limbs and a funny walk...

Oh, and pregnant...


Oh...so his local Priest popped round then?

Surely that will add a few more pages? :-
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 30, 2005, 08:13:52 PM
Seth Armstrong did indeed die this evening yet Chris Smith knew about it this morning.

Well, you don’t have to be Quincy or Jonathon Hart to work out that all is not right here.  

Clearly, Chris Smith has a few questions to answer.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 30, 2005, 08:23:00 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Seth Armstrong did indeed die this evening yet Chris Smith knew about it this morning.

Well, you don’t have to Quincy or Jonathon Hart to work out that all is not right here.  

Clearly, Chris Smith has a few questions to answer.


He could have been on the same plane.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 30, 2005, 08:37:15 PM
Look, I've been after the General for ages. If Armstrong thinks he was just going to walk back in a take what's mine, well I just couldn't let it happen could I? Also Betty is going to need somebody to help her through her grief, if you get my drift. 'appen.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lizz on October 30, 2005, 08:41:42 PM
I've heard that Biff's going to put in an appearance at Seth's funeral.  And tomorrow night's the wedding of the year on Corrie..........
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 30, 2005, 08:44:41 PM
Quote from: "Lizz"
I've heard that Biff's going to put in an appearance at Seth's funeral.  And tomorrow night's the wedding of the year on Corrie..........


Good old Biff.

It’s a pity that Archie’s not coming back and what about Amos, Annie and Sam who, unlike Archie, are at least still alive.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 30, 2005, 08:50:29 PM
Would any VFC types like to comment on Robobum’s assertion on a lesser thread that this time next week there will be no VFC?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 30, 2005, 09:00:33 PM
Can't we just get this one to the magical ton?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 30, 2005, 09:25:29 PM
Oscar, what did you say? I couldn't quite hear it... O:)

We at Very Funny Comments will continue to attempt to make you laugh, although we are still taking lessons from the master - Disco Stu. We hope some time in the future to be able to say we are as sharp and witty as he has shown himself to be over the years (If not we will just walk out, halfway through a joke).
Title: Re: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 30, 2005, 10:56:02 PM
from givemefootball.com

Quote
Simon Page is warning the club will be contemplating life in the Championship rather than Europe unless the promised major investment materialises sooner rather than later.

Page is sceptical about the strength of a possible takeover bid that under-fire chairman Doug Ellis and the board of directors are considering. Ellis said at Friday´s annual general meeting that he hoped to let shareholders know within a month whether initial interest from a group of potential speculators will have sufficient substance to be considered viable.

Simon Page spokesman Simon Page said: "Everyone was pleased to win the derby against Birmingham on Sunday but overall the club is going to keep on going backwards unless it receives some big investment in the near future.

"I have said on a number of occasions I will spontaneously combust should Doug leave, but the tarmackers promise to keep Doug in situ and turn Aston Villa into a trading arm of their cockney-based plastering outfit should leave me enough room to renege."

In other news, a drunken protestor was seen streaking round the Pheasey on Sunday shouting: "I told you tho, I told you tho."
Title: Re: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 30, 2005, 10:59:44 PM
Quote from: "Simon Page"


In other news, a drunken protestor was seen streaking round the Pheasey on Sunday shouting: "I told you tho, I told you tho."


Chianti all over the keyboard now Page you funny bastard!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 30, 2005, 11:51:57 PM
I don't understand it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Harte on October 31, 2005, 12:03:55 AM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Would any VFC types like to comment on Robobum’s assertion on a lesser thread that this time next week there will be no VFC?

Oscar, can you please make your point without beating about the bush. Thanks.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: mary on October 31, 2005, 12:12:12 AM
Quote from: "Lizz"
 And tomorrow night's the wedding of the year on Corrie..........




It will end in tears.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ColinMac on October 31, 2005, 12:12:57 AM
Villa or Corrie?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: mary on October 31, 2005, 12:13:39 AM
Quote from: "ColinMac"
Villa or Corrie?



Corrie
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ColinMac on October 31, 2005, 12:15:54 AM
Quote from: "mary"
Quote from: "ColinMac"
Villa or Corrie?



Corrie


 :-({|=
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 31, 2005, 02:45:33 AM
This thread is getting as boring as watching Geoffrey Boycott or Chris Tavare. Where is Beefy, Freddie or Peter Winters when you need them? O:)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 04:40:52 AM
87? 80 bloody 7? Well let me tell you for nothing none of you firggers are going to deny me my ton. Obviously its going to be a struggle now that the fielding side are going to pack up and go home like a bunch of girls because there 'It'll never happen, Doug will stay for ever' type rubbish seems to have backfired. Laughing homo, Risso, Pete Bland, John 'the queer dear Fear, Blue Nose, Your bays took a hell of a bleating. I mean beating.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on October 31, 2005, 04:48:51 AM
Oh dear. It looks like Beefy's back on the wacky stuff.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 04:50:15 AM
On saturday night the England team were in the HC bar, I was having a few shandies with friends playing pool. The full time score from the shit flashed up and I can only describe my action as that as a very happy, demented Villa fan. And gave an enthusiastic ' wanker' gesture. To much mirth and merriment. Anyhoo, later in the evening a few girls- my missus being one of them- were asked back to the the nightclub in the hotel where they are staying. So without a second glance back off they went. Shaun Udal was talking to my gal, and she was telling him I was her other half. "Oh him", he said " He upset one of our players because he gave a wanker gesture when Birmingham lost", "and he is a Birmingham fan". Faggot. That made my night. He also said that Ian Bell 9is a Villa fan. So he's worth his place in the England team in my eyes. But whose the nose?
Not Ashley Giles cos he's a QPR fan. Vaughan is an arrogant tosser who now supports Man U. This Sheff Wed story is bollocks. They are who he used to support. Prick.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 04:52:44 AM
When out with the cricket team....my gal also asked Asley Giles if he was Ashley Judd. No, he replied. She's a hollywood actress. I'm Ashley Giles. Women, eh?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 04:55:28 AM
and her friend who was with them told these poser boys that she didn't like cricket, didn't know who any of them were, and said,get this, "Its not like your footballers is it"......how I laughed.
I think that may have brought them down a peg or two.

So, if you see a bunch of demoralised England players playing in Pakistan blame a couple of girls.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 04:57:21 AM
Should see the size of that big Cambridge poof Derek pringle. He's about 9ft 8. Lard arse.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 05:07:20 AM
And this fits in perfectly with the topic. I'm worried about the Villa so much that I'm talking bolloc, I mean cricket.

Do you think the talk of a takeover will upset DOL sufficiently that when we get done tonight he can use that as an excuse? "Moy arnest burnch arv lads, wer so upseh over de chairmun passoblee goin dah dey couldn gerrit togedda. Dair fifd goa wars becus dey air missin Mistur Chairmun olreadee"

Interviewer - But it was 7-0 Mr O'Leary.

Dol - You know sumtimes its nar de resull dat matturs, buh how ye play. An' I c*** ask fuh mure fro de boys.

Interviewer - Do you think you're job is on the line now David?

DOL - As lon as Mistur Ellis iss he oim in a jab

Interviewer - So what about the takeover?

DOL - Moy arnest burnch arv lads........and fade to  grey
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 05:08:58 AM
Cheeky single to Risso who is off after his VFC teammates. Could become two...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 05:10:25 AM
If I have to do it myself this bastard gets to a hundred.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 05:13:47 AM
I need somebody backing up at t'other end! No other thread is that important surely.


Did I ever tell you that VFC shit on ST? Yeah, come on how many members you lot got? H&V isn't funny anymore. In fact I prefer the pregramme. In fact its become more bland than the programme.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 05:15:21 AM
Jesus H Christ. The fucking Aussies weren't joking when they said that 87  was the friggin devils number.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Sir Ashlyn Gere on October 31, 2005, 05:56:51 AM
Anyone for tennis?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 06:04:38 AM
Everyones banging on about the money but at the moment thats a white elephant. What if we were to get £20 m given to us. By the time we can spend it come Jan, we may be in a right mess in the league. What good the money then? Who will want to join a team in the midst of a relegation battle. A few journeymen maybe, but nobody who we'd expect to see bring the club onto the next so-called level. I am worried. Still. That we shouldn't be worried by talk of a takeover. I honestly Doug should say To the bejaysus brothers, that he will sell up, but the actual date for the transfer of shares will be on the final day of this season. We need a little bit more solidity in and around the club to get us away from this mess. This really isn't the time for boardroom upheaval IMO. Manager unsure of his future, players unsure of theirs, a footbal team that appear directionless. I really do worry about this season. How long has it been since we go into nearly every game worried, or convinced that we'd lose. The Wigan result was an eye opener if ever there needed to be one. Just beat the shit, everyone should've been up. 0-2 at home is relegation standard. We're in serios trouble on the pitch and no amount of takeovers, and Irishman are going to change that this season.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 07:27:38 AM
From Beeb website

Aston Villa have confirmed there has been a "preliminary approach" regarding a takeover of the club.

More to follow it goes on.

Am I the only one nervous about this? Not the more to follow bit, but Irish Property consortia? I don't like it. In fact I'd say I was worried.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 07:43:09 AM
Ellis revealed: "We have had an approach, and it is interesting, there is no doubt about that. But it isn't finalised. We are still working on it. I hope to be able to let people know more within the next month."


Does this mean we have to stick with VFC until everything is signed sealed and delivered? At what point will they say thats us done? What if everyone who Ellis tries to allow to take over the club is found out to be a cad or a scoundrel? Will they say we want Doug to go, but wish to support him find the best buyer for Villa. Or will they say , you should have sold to Ray, Now with the Irish make our day, unless Doug can't keep the Russians at bay, we'd even take Peter Kaye, chonge our badge from a lion to a blue jay,but if this doesn't happen by 6pm today, Big Bad Doug will pay.....hooray.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 31, 2005, 08:03:53 AM
Morning, Peter!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 08:19:06 AM
Morning legion.' cept its afternoon here. Am I the only one worried? :-k
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 31, 2005, 08:27:10 AM
Quote
So, if you see a bunch of demoralised England players playing in Pakistan blame a couple of girls.


61-6 at lunch says it's more than a couple, what else did they do them?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 08:33:15 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote
So, if you see a bunch of demoralised England players playing in Pakistan blame a couple of girls.


61-6 at lunch says it's more than a couple, what else did they do them?


Well the missus turned down Shaun Udals offer to take her out to dinner. Despite the fact that he's married with 3 kids! Maybe he's more popular than we'll all imagined, and his rejection, and thus dejection, has affected the team more than we could poosibly of thought. Maybe its also because they've dug up the dead ex Palestinian leader and got him bowling thats thrown them too.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 08:38:50 AM
Ashley Judd seems to have gotten over his humiliation as he strides confidently to 22 not out.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 31, 2005, 08:45:13 AM
Don't talk too soon.

Tour Match: Patron's XI v England
31-10-2005 at Rawalpindi

England won the toss and decided to bat
England 1st Innings

100 for 7 (38.0 overs)

England 1st Innings
M E Trescothick not out   40 0
A J Strauss   b Najaf Shah 5
M P Vaughan lbw b Najaf Shah 9
K P Pietersen c Asim Kamal b Yasir Ali 2
P D Collingwood   b Yasir Arafat 0
I R Bell c Zulqarnain Haider b Yasir Arafat 2
G O Jones   b Yasir Arafat 4
A F Giles lbw b Imran Tahir 30
S D Udal not out   0

Extras   6nb 2w 8
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 08:48:01 AM
Udal won't last soon. He's still get the rejection to get over.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 31, 2005, 09:00:07 AM
Looks like Shaun Udal has been trying to 'bowl a maiden over' and peter w has every right to be slightly upset.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 09:06:57 AM
I'm more upset that my miisus can only pull an ugly frigger like Shaun Udal. What does that say about me? To be fair though, they all look like they fell out of the ugly tree and smashed their faces into every branch on the way down.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 09:15:33 AM
Nothing being sent down from the VFC field, no back up from my team mates. This is going to be a long vigil. But I'll get there. 11 runs to go.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 09:18:12 AM
This post takes me to 1897. Isn't that the season we done the double?



Happy days.




Now that should be 89.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 31, 2005, 09:18:30 AM
Woodhall returns to the crease and sneaks a quick single.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 09:23:53 AM
Not nearly quick enough Dave.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 09:28:56 AM
The home wrecker is out. Ha! Maybe i can use this thread another way. Do you think Ian Bell, a Villa fan, is worried about his future after yet another batting failure? Still don't know who the bluenose is, mind.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ROBBO on October 31, 2005, 09:36:20 AM
Shit Pete either work is slow or someone on this site is paying you a commission. Switch to horse racing, day off tomorrow all of Victoria gets a day off because of a horse race the glorious Melbourne cup, And the Irish are well in this race too. Something to do with the building industry I think the names weld.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on October 31, 2005, 09:41:03 AM
Well I'm off home. Melbourne Cup Shmelbourne Cup Robbo, I'm after.  me ton. And if I have to do it meyself. It'll get done. All hands to the tiller...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: serbentoflight on October 31, 2005, 09:49:47 AM
:-s
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 31, 2005, 09:52:30 AM
Looks like a mis-field from the VFC so pete can take 3 of that delivery.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: SteveR on October 31, 2005, 10:09:40 AM
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Shit Pete either work is slow or someone on this site is paying you a commission.


'Work is slow' it is, then.

Perhaps this thread would be given a bit of a shot in the arm by a few comments as to whether posters are now more or less worried  than they were at the time it started.

I can only talk in general terms, my memory isn't that good.

a) Future of Aston Villa : 3 points tonight, no problem.

b) England's tour of Pakistan : What's the big sweat? Erikson always fucks these things up.

c) Peter W's RSI : not a comfortable thought.

d) Corrie : Elsie Tanner was right, Ena is a right ratbag.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Disco Stu on October 31, 2005, 11:14:56 AM
I bet Fear’s worried that he won’t be able to get his name in the papers once this take over business is done and dusted.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2005, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: "Disco Stu"
I bet Fear’s worried that he won’t be able to get his name in the papers once this take over business is done and dusted.


I bet you're more worried about that happening than he is.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 31, 2005, 11:58:21 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Vaughan is an arrogant tosser who now supports Man U. This Sheff Wed story is bollocks.


In the interests of sneaking a quick single, I'll just correct you on the above.  He is most definitely a Wednesday fan.  One of my best mates grew up next door to Vaughan, knows him very well and he definitely goes to a few games at Hillsbrough with the 'the lads' when he can.  His family is Manc, hence the Utd link.

I've also heard some of the stories from Vaughans stag do a couple of years ago...  8-[

you know, that took longer than I thought to type, so I went for the return and got two.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Ward on October 31, 2005, 12:23:36 PM
Will this post push the thread on to 90 pages? #-o
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 31, 2005, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: "Simon Ward"
Will this post push the thread on to 90 pages? #-o


Fielded at mid off. No run.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 31, 2005, 12:53:27 PM
Here's a six!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 31, 2005, 12:53:42 PM
Mac takes a single to take the thread into the Nervous Nineties.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Legion on October 31, 2005, 12:56:59 PM
Beat you to it with my big 6 straight back over the bowler's head!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 31, 2005, 12:58:27 PM
Which Mod is going to bowl the googly or flipper and lock it
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on October 31, 2005, 01:01:46 PM
only 10 more pages of worthless banter left to go.

This post is a mere defensive block!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 31, 2005, 01:07:43 PM
It’s most odd VFC has declined to comment on suggestions by one of its most ardent supporters that it will be defunct by the end of this week.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 31, 2005, 01:08:52 PM
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Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bren'd on October 31, 2005, 01:15:44 PM
We could start a drum roll for the 1000th poster (998 now) that should take us to the 100..


drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  (does that sound like a drum?)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Mac on October 31, 2005, 01:30:46 PM
Who is Comer Bros?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on October 31, 2005, 01:35:33 PM
Quote from: "Bren_d"
We could start a drum roll for the 1000th poster (998 now) that should take us to the 100..


drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  (does that sound like a drum?)



no it sounds nothing like me at all. And I've only just eaten lunch so less of the rolling please.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 31, 2005, 01:58:10 PM
I get the feeling that people are getting bored with VFC.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 02:03:37 PM
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Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
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Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 31, 2005, 02:09:29 PM
Richard, because he's feeling all lovey dovey and smiley wiley as he's going to be a dad again, wants an end to the hatred.

I just think that hate and war are the only things we've got today and if we close our eyes they will not go away, you have to deal with it. It is the currency.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 31, 2005, 02:10:45 PM
So says Seth's killer.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 02:11:59 PM
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Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
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Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on October 31, 2005, 02:19:29 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Who is Comer Bros?


mate of Keysor Sose
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 02:23:03 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Who is Comer Bros?


shall we start guesing it will take up pages, my guess is LG
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 31, 2005, 02:27:58 PM
Quote from: "Mac"
Who is Comer Bros?


It’s a tribute band that mainly works the clubs in Norfolk and Suffolk.  

They do mostly Bros songs but encore with ‘Memories Are Made of This’.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 31, 2005, 03:28:03 PM
If specially requested they also do numbers such as Football’s Comer Homes and Comer Chameleon.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
If specially requested they also do numbers such as Football’s Comer Homes and Comer Chameleon.


Very poor
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 31, 2005, 03:57:12 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
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If specially requested they also do numbers such as Football’s Comer Homes and Comer Chameleon.


Very poor


They’re not that bad actually although their Punk Reggae version of ‘When Will I be Famous?’ is a little hard to stomach.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: martin on October 31, 2005, 04:00:12 PM
Seth Armstrong's dead?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 31, 2005, 04:07:34 PM
Yes, he sadly passed away on the plane back from Australia.

Chris Smith has so far been unable to provide a satisfactory alibi (in fact, I think you’ll find he’s actually confessed to murdering poor old Seth).
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2005, 04:11:55 PM
I see Malandra Burrows hasn't spent her time away from Emmerdale indulging in acting lessons.  Her lack of acting prowess was forgivable when she was the show's token crumpet, but now the ravages of time have caught up with her, why on EARTH have they brought her back?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 04:27:36 PM
Anyone seen the new giveway sign.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2005, 04:30:41 PM
and on the subject of Emmerdale, I know it's Halloween, but the sight of Steph without her makeup on the other day should surely have been broadcast after the watershed, not when I was eating my tea at 7pm.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 04:36:02 PM
Mac, will this be locked when it gets to 100?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 31, 2005, 04:39:23 PM
This isn’t Villatalk.

Mac doesn’t lock around the clock.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 04:42:18 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
This isn’t Villatalk.

Mac doesn’t lock around the clock.


Just wondered was going to post a couple of hundred posts to get it over with.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 04:42:57 PM
Nearly page 92 anyway.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 04:43:28 PM
Well, how about that.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 04:44:07 PM
Going dark early these days.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 04:45:40 PM
:-s
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
:-s


Who you  :-s in at
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on October 31, 2005, 04:46:56 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
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:-s


Who you  :-s in at


 :-s
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: foxy on October 31, 2005, 04:58:01 PM
seriously speaking,did anyone see the item on sky sports news about the takeover? who is the villa fan commenting on behalf of us fans :-k oh dear it's someone from the vfc.... 8-[  8-[ there goes at least another 15 pages ](*,) :-#
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 31, 2005, 05:03:55 PM
Who was it?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 31, 2005, 05:07:47 PM
and what were they noting with interest?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on October 31, 2005, 05:16:08 PM
Was it John Mooney?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 31, 2005, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Who was it?


It was Naz, and try as I might I couldn't find anything wrong with what he said.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: foxy on October 31, 2005, 05:25:10 PM
get this....... it was a ' somebody' nazir....and he was from 'villa combined fans' ....hmmmm ,a misprint ?...or a reaction to mass 92 page topic discussion! \:D/  :-k  :-k  :-k
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 31, 2005, 05:26:23 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Who was it?


It was Naz, and try as I might I couldn't find anything wrong with what he said.


Which was??
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on October 31, 2005, 05:29:27 PM
wow. is that a bit of relevance on this thread?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 31, 2005, 05:30:37 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"


It was Naz, and try as I might I couldn't find anything wrong with what he said.


It's difficult to say anything wrong about such a tempting-looking deal.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on October 31, 2005, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: "Smithy"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Who was it?


It was Naz, and try as I might I couldn't find anything wrong with what he said.


Which was??


"Sounds OK, good price, would like to know a bit more before committing, I am not so worried about the future as I was a couple of weeks ago"
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 31, 2005, 05:35:56 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"


"Sounds OK, good price, would like to know a bit more before committing, I am not so worried about the future as I was a couple of weeks ago"


Fair comment.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: the weatherman on October 31, 2005, 05:39:18 PM
I see your now being quoted on sportinglife Dave.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 31, 2005, 05:39:59 PM
Anyone notice how we've had considerably more news coverage over this than the Ranson episode, yet it appears from all reports that the process is at exactly the same stage as Ransons bid before it was rejected?

Also, I've had a few emails from mates who support other teams saying we're jammy gits for getting the "Irish Abramovich's" to buy us....  it appears that popular opinion is that we're getting a couple of rich sugar daddies...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Smithy on October 31, 2005, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: "the weatherman"
I see your now being quoted on sportinglife Dave.


Who is he speaking on behalf of?  ;-)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: the weatherman on October 31, 2005, 05:46:12 PM
www.sportinglife.com

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Dave Woodhall, editor of the Heroes and Villans fanzine and speaking entirely on his own behalf, welcomed the board's careful stance.

"It is important we don't just assume anything is better than Doug Ellis," he said.

"A takeover of the club is only good for Villa if it takes the club forward. Sometimes you have got to be careful what you wish for.

"It could be the best thing for Villa since Ron Saunders came as manager. It could see us take the same road as Chelsea are on now. At the same time, it could see us take the same road as Chelsea pre-Roman Abramovich."
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 31, 2005, 05:46:31 PM
Quote from: "Smithy"
Quote from: "the weatherman"
I see your now being quoted on sportinglife Dave.


Who is he speaking on behalf of?  ;-)


Everyone in my house who supports the Villa (MHFC).
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: GaryShaw on October 31, 2005, 06:07:35 PM
I note with interest that VFC are as eloquent in speech as they are in text. Nice.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 31, 2005, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Smithy"
Quote from: "the weatherman"
I see your now being quoted on sportinglife Dave.


Who is he speaking on behalf of?  ;-)


Everyone in my house who supports the Villa (MHFC).


Excuse my ignorance but MHFC?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 31, 2005, 06:45:22 PM
Quote from: "Jon Crofts"


Excuse my ignorance but MHFC?


My House Fans Consortium.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bad English on October 31, 2005, 06:50:59 PM
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It could see us take the same road as Chelsea are on now. At the same time, it could see us take the same road as Chelsea pre-Roman Abramovich.


That's right don't sit sit on the fence. :-D

Assuming Villa take the former route, paying their way to glory, do you really think that the Comers have anywhere near the financial clout of Abramovich?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on October 31, 2005, 07:08:27 PM
Just who is this Dave Woodhall fellow- voice of the people, stiff upper lip and all that?  :-

Does he speak for all Villa fans, those that read fanzines, or for Prince Will only? These questions need answering you know.  O:)
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 31, 2005, 07:28:37 PM
Quote from: "Bad English"
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It could see us take the same road as Chelsea are on now. At the same time, it could see us take the same road as Chelsea pre-Roman Abramovich.


That's right don't sit sit on the fence. :-D

Assuming Villa take the former route, paying their way to glory, do you really think that the Comers have anywhere near the financial clout of Abramovich?


Of course not, although it's not just the money we need, remember the likes of Wolves, Boro, Newcastle, Blackburn, Fulham and further a field, Real Madrid and Dinimo Moscow have all wealthy owners that have invested heavily and achieved very little or nothing in return.

Any fool can spend money but very few can spend it wisely.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 31, 2005, 07:50:03 PM
Anyone with money can build a better club. It takes a good manager to build a better team.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bad English on October 31, 2005, 07:55:17 PM
Yes, I know that but my point is why compare the "Comers Villa" to Ambramovich's Chelsea, we'll never be on that road.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 31, 2005, 07:57:57 PM
Quote from: "Bad English"
Yes, I know that but my point is why compare the "Comers Villa" to Ambramovich's Chelsea, we'll never be on that road.


You never know. With a bit of money and an inspirational choice of manager, you never know.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 03:10:56 AM
Well I'm definitely worried about the future of the club vis-a-vis the division we'll be playing in. That was crap last night. Oh, and I've decided to post every reply I'm making on this thread. The fans are starting to leave the ground and I'm 95 not out.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: JD on November 01, 2005, 03:14:42 AM
Good luck Peter, let's hope you reach your ton before I log in again tomorrow morning. Work is finished and I'm off home, via the Physio (maybe he can get a job at Villa, he would have enough work to do).  :smt002
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 03:14:53 AM
Shit, the umpire called one run short! Never. Now, I'm back to 94.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 03:16:49 AM
Not sure when it is that we play Doncaster, but is anyone at all confident that we'll get a  result there? They beat man City at home so they'll be up for this one. More doom and gloom. I'm worried. About our future in the League Cup.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Karlos96 on November 01, 2005, 03:35:26 AM
I'm worried to Peter you just know those buggers from Sky will put it on live and that will be us cursed.  Not far off the ton now Pete.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 03:47:26 AM
I even had to get up at 1 this morning to watch that shite. Really was painful. Wish Sky would leave us alone. The problem being worse here because we get more live games, I can't avoid seeing us most of the time. Itys like being forced to have a season ticket.

Yeah, I'm content to do the Boycott strategy of just taking my time here. Don't want tp play any expansive shots and let it slip before the ton. Step by step.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on November 01, 2005, 03:50:46 AM
Bearing in mind what started this thread, if Doug sells AND we go down, would fans have been right to worry about relegation, but wrong to worry about Doug staying on? Or would it still be Doug's fault for being on the board of Blues and not having a sell on clause in the Crouch sale?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 04:02:22 AM
In all seriousness, I tried to raise this point, I think on page 71, that why are we worried about a take over when this team may be in the division below? If their is to be a takeover it will be some months down the line. Players will be unsettled. Or should that be playing crap and unsettled, the manager will be unsettled, not fired. So we may have money. Whoopy fucking do when we're in the Championship. We need to sort out the playing side first and worry about Douglarse second. So VFC will disband, go home happy when in April/May the takeovers finally announced? Will we have 'This is a great day for the future of Aston Villa football club'? as we head down. Of course not, so why the frig are they, we giving more than a passing nod to takovers. I really am worried. That this shower of shit will not be in the Prem next season. Irishmen or Doug at the helm.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on November 01, 2005, 04:16:13 AM
Ah but a takeover gives us a sense of the unknown and room for both hope and fear. Football is predictable.

I can't remember the last time I was worried about relegation. I think it might have been under Venglos or possibly 88/9. Of course it could happen, I just don't think it will. Not that we're too good to go down, just not bad enough. In fact, we're not anything enough to do anything.

On the bright side though, we haven't got bird flu yet.  \:D/
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 04:32:47 AM
Yeah, but I'm worried about that too.

The last time I thought we were going down was under GT. As I remember West Ham were winning and we were drawing 0-0 with already down Sunderland with 10 minutes to go. If it'd have stayed like that then we would have had to go to Leeds on the last day to win to stay up. We were 10 mins from relegation.

The takeover gives me the hope that VFC will disappear, but come back under a new guise...

You know,
                " It's noted with interest, that under our new Irish Overlords that they have taken Villa down into the Championship instead of the Champions League where we belong. They have been here for one week and already destroyed this football club. How can they be expected to make credible decisions with a combined age of 92? What happens if they both die? They had serious suggary tea this morning, and we are only thinking about them. Our spokeman Don Gere-Corleone speaks for all Villa fans and these people will sleep with the fishes unless they do the right thing and sell the club".
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on November 01, 2005, 04:57:00 AM
Maybe we should start a sweep on how long it is before the first Comer Out rumblings. I reckon towards the end of the third season, so I'll take 951 days after the first game with them in charge.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 05:08:09 AM
Well if Jon Fear et al are egoists, then surely it won't take that long. I'll wager that which ever one of the VFC lot are an only child, they'll be the one to break first. So, I'll give it 27 days.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on November 01, 2005, 05:22:33 AM
If "rumblings" actually means "press release", you've won the money. The thing is, I've never known a popular Villa chairman. Come to think of it, I've only known of two popular Villa board members. In fact, that's pushing it as one was kind of ignored and the other split opinion. I think I'll have another pound on 12 minutes.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 06:09:07 AM
I really am awaiting their glee at the takeover when we're looking doomed to relegation. A masochistic kind of irony.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on November 01, 2005, 06:33:59 AM
Nah. I give you my guarantee that we won't go down. Admitedly my guarantees are as dodgy as those given by builders who offer to do your driveway, but I give it anyway. That's yours to keep. Gratis.

I am thinking of investing in incontinence pants for when any takeover actually happens. I reckon within a couple of hours I could retire on the proceeds.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Simon Page on November 01, 2005, 06:34:47 AM
And whaddaya know, I'm off the mark.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 06:41:03 AM
You're not one of these cowboys who will piss off after all these assurances, guarantees, etc and then never respond when it all goes pear shaped and I can get in touch with you. Are you?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Sir Ashlyn Gere on November 01, 2005, 06:49:10 AM
I might be accused of being unduly pessimistic (Villa fan?, never!)
But aren't we at the same stage as the previous failed Ranson bids so far, ie a 'preliminary enquiry' has been made.

Lets make sure Mr Aston Villa has well and truly left the building before either (a) predicting when the new mob will hit choppy waters;
      Or (b) donning party hats and cracking out the champaigne, which is exactly what I''ll be doing when his Rolls leaves the carpark for the last time.

As an aside, would it be enough if he was no longer officially in charge but still associated with the club in some capacity? Or is it only enough if HDE is completely out of the picture?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 07:16:29 AM
Well I'm starting an 'Ellis Must Stay Until Villa Are Safe From Any Chance Of Relegation' Pressure Groups. For ease, as that's an obvious mouthful, we'll be called EMSUVASFACOR. I'll release my first press release soon. Something along the lines of

EMSUVASFACOR note with disinterest the news that Hearts are losing everyone in their management section. However, we're different. As the spokesman for this united band of brothers that is EMSUVASFACOR I strongly urge that Ellis must stay until Villa are safe from any chance of relegation. We have many tactics  in order to help us achieve this aim. At AGM's we're going to flounce in 10 minutes before the end and complain that are questions to Mr Ellis have been answered satisfactorily. I wish it to be known that I do believe I speak on the fans behalf, and yes my love of the club does come first. I'm sorry but this is definitely not a democratic group as its my baby. EMSUVASFACOR are here to stay and to hound you to stay in office Ellis, you chairman for a bit longer yet,you.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 08:29:45 AM
Bit like Nick Leeson and Berrings Bank, I'm just propping this thing up a little bit more. Can't allow it to drop too much.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 09:03:37 AM
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Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2005, 09:05:29 AM
I note with not a little interest that the VFC have not commented on team affairs, surely they want to tell the world how shit they think we are too?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: kipeye on November 01, 2005, 09:07:11 AM
Bloody well hurry up and get to a hundred [-o<
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 01, 2005, 09:07:58 AM
Just a little something to help you on your way.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2005, 09:12:09 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Just a little something to help you on your way.


I've heard much dodgier people than you use lines like that before.

Remember kids, Just Say No.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 09:17:39 AM
Quote from: "kipeye"
Bloody well hurry up and get to a hundred [-o<


Whos whoa whoa there! I could quite easily dance down the track looking for the attractive way to get to my ton a la Freddie Flintoff, but if I were to swing and miss, and maybe get myself out then what?

The scorn that I would have to endure would be too much. I've been obdurate during the nervous 90's and see no reason to change ploy.....

Hold on, is that you LG???? Have you come back to bowl me a googly...

See nearly went down the track there but thats it .Time for a few more defensive blocks. Just a 4 away now...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2005, 09:19:33 AM
pushed down the leg side for a quick single.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 09:20:40 AM
Back in the-ahem- real world...

I see Ashley Judd is the first of the cricket lot to go down with the shits....never mind son, happens to us all.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: McD on November 01, 2005, 09:21:15 AM
Bollocks...what a load of bollocks...
Oh, sorry, is this not last nights match thread...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: peter w on November 01, 2005, 09:23:48 AM
Quote from: "McD"
Bollocks...what a load of bollocks...
Oh, sorry, is this not last nights match thread...


where you going? Spider we got another one in the web.... bring out the gimp....
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on November 01, 2005, 09:43:23 AM
Quote from: "Sir Ashlyn Gere"
I might be accused of being unduly pessimistic (Villa fan?, never!)
But aren't we at the same stage as the previous failed Ranson bids so far, ie a 'preliminary enquiry' has been made.

Lets make sure Mr Aston Villa has well and truly left the building before either (a) predicting when the new mob will hit choppy waters;
      Or (b) donning party hats and cracking out the champaigne, which is exactly what I''ll be doing when his Rolls leaves the carpark for the last time.

As an aside, would it be enough if he was no longer officially in charge but still associated with the club in some capacity? Or is it only enough if HDE is completely out of the picture?


Is this another Disco pseudonym?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on November 01, 2005, 10:18:42 AM
Yes, Lee.  It must be.

After all, the two writing styles are indistinguishable.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on November 01, 2005, 10:21:39 AM
Now, back in the real world.

Yesterday’s Sun carried this quote from somebody called Jonathan Fear, who’s apparently chairman of the supporters group Villa Fans Combined, “Contrary to popular opinion, no one hates Doug Ellis”.

Bloody Ellis apologists!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 01, 2005, 10:24:06 AM
Come on we can sneak a quick one there...
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 01, 2005, 10:25:05 AM
NO!

Get Back.

Sorry.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on November 01, 2005, 10:40:30 AM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
Now, back in the real world.

Yesterday’s Sun carried this quote from somebody called Jonathan Fear, who’s apparently chairman of the supporters group Villa Fans Combined, “Contrary to popular opinion, no one hates Doug Ellis”.

!


Apart from the extremists, one I believe actually backed said Chairman and his sacking of BFR apparently
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on November 01, 2005, 01:02:38 PM
its back
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on November 01, 2005, 01:04:52 PM
Get back to where you once belonged !!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: gav on November 01, 2005, 01:14:36 PM
why is this thread up to 96 pages?  Surely with all the takeover talk people have more interesting things to discuss than the fate of the much-maligned VFC.  Something like Aston Villa FC comes to mind.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on November 01, 2005, 01:16:22 PM
Quote from: "gav"
why is this thread up to 96 pages?  Surely with all the takeover talk people have more interesting things to discuss than the fate of the much-maligned VFC.  Something like Aston Villa FC comes to mind.


Madness, VFC is far more important. or is it VCF.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on November 01, 2005, 01:22:42 PM
Quote from: "gav"
why is this thread up to 96 pages?  Surely with all the takeover talk people have more interesting things to discuss than the fate of the much-maligned VFC.  Something like Aston Villa FC comes to mind.


Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC -  it's all bollocks
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on November 01, 2005, 01:23:17 PM
Quote from: "Lee"
Quote from: "gav"
why is this thread up to 96 pages?  Surely with all the takeover talk people have more interesting things to discuss than the fate of the much-maligned VFC.  Something like Aston Villa FC comes to mind.


Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC -  it's all bollocks


Liar
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on November 01, 2005, 01:29:47 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
Quote from: "Lee"
Quote from: "gav"
why is this thread up to 96 pages?  Surely with all the takeover talk people have more interesting things to discuss than the fate of the much-maligned VFC.  Something like Aston Villa FC comes to mind.


Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC -  it's all bollocks


Liar


Splitter
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 01, 2005, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: "Lee"

Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC -  it's all bollocks


I'd hardly call the tragic death of Seth Armstrong, the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle and the pulling power of Shaun Udal bollocks.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on November 01, 2005, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Quote from: "Lee"

Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC -  it's all bollocks


I'd hardly call the tragic death of Seth Armstrong, the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle and the pulling power of Shaun Udal bollocks.


Who killed Seth?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on November 01, 2005, 01:37:25 PM
Page 97, this page is fascist free for now.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 01, 2005, 01:38:20 PM
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Quote from: "Lee"

Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC -  it's all bollocks


I'd hardly call the tragic death of Seth Armstrong, the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle and the pulling power of Shaun Udal bollocks.


Who killed Seth?


Not sure but Chris Smith is certainly in the frame.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on November 01, 2005, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Quote from: "Lee"

Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC -  it's all bollocks


I'd hardly call the tragic death of Seth Armstrong, the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle and the pulling power of Shaun Udal bollocks.


.. and the political leanings of Senor Mooney -  yeh that's bollox
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on November 01, 2005, 01:39:31 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Quote from: "Lee"

Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC -  it's all bollocks


I'd hardly call the tragic death of Seth Armstrong, the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle and the pulling power of Shaun Udal bollocks.


Who killed Seth?


Not sure but Chris Smith is certainly in the frame.


The fascist.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 01, 2005, 01:43:10 PM
One thing I've often wondered. Why do Nazis deny the Holocaust? Surely they should be boasting about it.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on November 01, 2005, 01:43:26 PM
Who Mooney or Mr Smith?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 01, 2005, 01:53:42 PM
Another thing that puzzles me is why the likes of Harold Shipman etc are described as whichever country's  worst serial killers when surely they are very good at serial killing.

I'd go so far as to say that i am a worse serial killer than Shipman.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on November 01, 2005, 01:56:55 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Another thing that puzzles me is why the likes of Harold Shipman etc are described as whichever country's  worst serial killers when surely they are very good at serial killing.

I'd go so far as to say that i am a worse serial killer than Shipman.


And a worse Rapist than the Yorkshire Ripper


I'll get me coat
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bigmelonface on November 01, 2005, 02:09:04 PM
VCF
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Lee on November 01, 2005, 02:10:43 PM
97 and not out.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on November 01, 2005, 02:22:24 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Quote from: "Bigmelonface"
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Quote from: "Lee"

Most of this thread has bugger all to do with the VFC -  it's all bollocks


I'd hardly call the tragic death of Seth Armstrong, the sexuality of Duncan Norvelle and the pulling power of Shaun Udal bollocks.


Who killed Seth?


Not sure but Chris Smith is certainly in the frame.


You'll never take me alive copper, I've got a box of Asda eggs and I aint afraid to use 'em.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: ColinMac on November 01, 2005, 02:27:25 PM
Quote from: "Lee"
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Another thing that puzzles me is why the likes of Harold Shipman etc are described as whichever country's  worst serial killers when surely they are very good at serial killing.

I'd go so far as to say that i am a worse serial killer than Shipman.


And a worse Rapist than the Yorkshire Ripper


I'll get me coat


Was Peter Sutcliffe ever a rapist??
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 01, 2005, 02:43:46 PM
We've gone from racist to rapist fairly seamlessly there.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on November 01, 2005, 03:01:23 PM
It’s just been on the news that both Chris Smith and David O’Leary have been arrested by police investigating the suspicious death of former Home Farm gamekeeper Seth Armstrong.

It seems that Smithy and O’Leary were in on it together all along and probably would have got away with it if wasn’t for us meddling H&V kids.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 01, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
It seems that Smithy and O’Leary were in on it together

They're in it together alright.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 01, 2005, 03:05:16 PM
Ohhh! 98!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 01, 2005, 03:08:14 PM
There's a job as a script editor on Emmerdale being advertised in the Guardian.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Bad English on November 01, 2005, 03:09:20 PM
1998, a marvellous year for the French and lickle Owen but not for Beckham. It was equally disappointing for Jack Lord, who died and Geri Halliwell left the Spice Girls.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on November 01, 2005, 03:10:58 PM
98. Only a page and half to go now!
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 01, 2005, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
There's a job as a script editor on Emmerdale being advertised in the Guardian.


Must be fluent in Cockney.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on November 01, 2005, 03:11:11 PM
There’s a guy that works down our chip shop who swears he’s Jack Sugden.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 01, 2005, 03:13:00 PM
Quote from: "Chris_Jephcott"
98. Only a page and half to go now!


Let's see if we can bring the 100 up whilst Peter is out abusing Shaun Udal.
Errr verbally that is.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 01, 2005, 03:13:46 PM
Quote from: "Oscar Goldman"
There’s a guy that works down our chip shop who swears he’s Jack Sugden.


Yeah well he's a liar and i'm not sure about you.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2005, 03:14:43 PM
Anybody see the Quo on Corrie last night?  Les slinging his own wedding presents out of the window, comedy gold.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Smith on November 01, 2005, 03:16:12 PM
I sometimes think that some of you aren't real fans, and would rather spend your time taking the piss than discussing the real issues facing us right now.

Such as, has Sam's bird still got cancer and is she just trying to spare him thje grief and how will Pollard get out of paying for the Scotch at Seth's funeral?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 01, 2005, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Anybody see the Quo on Corrie last night?  Les slinging his own wedding presents out of the window, comedy gold.


I was watching a horror show at the time with elements of comedy thrown in courtesy of Mr Samuel.
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 01, 2005, 03:17:43 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I sometimes think that some of you aren't real fans, and would rather spend your time taking the piss than discussing the real issues facing us right now.

Such as, has Sam's bird still got cancer and is she just trying to spare him thje grief and how will Pollard get out of paying for the Scotch at Seth's funeral?


And why is such a small North Yorkshire village being overrun by Cockernees?
Title: Fans Worried Over Villa Future
Post by: Oscar Goldman on